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Tonight, an exclusive interview with John Brennan, | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
the head of the CIA, until Donald Trump | :00:07. | :00:07. | |
What does he think of the presidential Twitter strategy? | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
I think that there are some things that have been tweeted coming out of | :00:15. | :00:23. | |
Washington, where the care was not taken and that was, it was not, the | :00:24. | :00:30. | |
individual who tweeted it was not mindful of the importance that | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
people attach to the words of a president. | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
He warns about the dangers of America going it alone | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
against North Korea and tells us there should be a competency | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
-- and decries Trump's plans for a travel ban. | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
The St Petersburg blast, which has killed as many as ten people | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
The Russian Prime minister is nvestigating a suicide bombing. | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
We'll ask who is the prime suspect in a country with no | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
We remember the civil rights ( activist Darcus Howe. | :00:55. | :01:03. | |
I believe that we are faced with a serious potential, that is the | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
overwhelming intervention of blacks on the current stage of history in | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
Britain. And the war on airborne | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
Deisel particulates. The Mayor of London is expected | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
to announce tomorrow morning a toxin tax on the fuel, | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
forcing drivers to pay In the studio, a former Top Gear | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
presenter says it's all nonsense. Friends of the Earth | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
says it's about time. He was Barack Obama's head | :01:29. | :01:38. | |
of the CIA - in the situation room -- he departed office the day Donald | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
Trump became president. John Brennan will deliver | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
the Dimbleby Lecture on BBC One tomorrow night, | :01:50. | :01:50. | |
but tonight, he talks to Newsnight about the threat from North Korea, | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
and whether Donald Trump's promise of US unilateral action is wise | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
if China will not help. He is scathing about the president's | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
proposed ban on travellers from certain Muslim countries, | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
and he told us the Trump White House notion of a deep state - | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
including the intelligence agencies I began by asking him | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
if President Trump was right to say that if China won't solve the issue | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
of North Korea, America will do. North Korea does pose a very serious | :02:16. | :02:27. | |
challenge for The Asian region and for the world because of its | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
continued march on a nuclear weapons programme. China holds a lot of sway | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
with North Korea. I think it's critically important for the United | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
States to continue and to deepen the discussion with China about how best | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
to manage this North Korean challenge. But the North Korean | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
issue is a complicated and complex one. It doesn't lend itself to | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
simple solutions. There's no the a simple military solution to it, | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
given that North Korea has a tremendous amount of fire power, | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
artillery that could rain down on Seoul, if there was going to be | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
military action. So I am just hoping that Mr Trump and his advisors have | :03:07. | :03:13. | |
spent the last couple months really learning and understanding what the | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
challenge is, what the implications are of certain policy courses. This | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
is something that requires a very thoughtful and measure add preach. | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
President Trump says that using the term "radical Islamic terrorism" | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
will help win the US win the War on Terror, do you agree? No, I don't. A | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
lot of people say that. When you refer to the terrorists as following | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
radical Islam, it legitimises the terrorists, in terms that they're | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
actually carrying out a legitimate tenant of the Islamic faith and | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
they're not. Do you think that Donald Trump's proposed ban on | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
several Muslim majority countries would make America safer? I think | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
it's very important that there be measures taken to protect countries | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
from individuals who may be trying to enter the borders for terrorist | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
purposes. This proposed executive order really, I think, was too | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
simplistic and misguided. Do you think it would be counterproductive? | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
I do. Because first of all, a lot of citizens from those countries, who | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
have very legitimate reason to travel to the United States, family, | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
personal, professional, educational. I think they will really see this as | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
reflecting a different approach and a different tone from the United | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
States, which has prided itself over our 241 years welcoming people from | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
all walks of life in all countries and to me, I think they're going to | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
see it as profiling specifically nationalities. US intelligence is | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
suggesting that WikiLeaks are helping the Russiansment do you | :05:00. | :05:02. | |
think Julian Assange is unwittingly being used by the Russians? He may | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
be unwittingly being used by the Russians but I think he's wittingly | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
advancing Russian interests and making sure that their objectives | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
and goals and agendas are being pursued. Maybe he is naive enough or | :05:15. | :05:24. | |
uninformed enough that he is being duped by the Russians. I think he is | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
well aware that he is a pawn in their hands. Why do you think Donald | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
Trump's so well disposed to Vladimir Putin? You'd have to ask him. Have | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
you actually seen evidence that the Russians have been compromising | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
material, for example, what the Russians call compromat on Trump for | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
example. There are active investigations about Russian | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
involvement in the last presidential election. There are two | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
investigations in the Congress as well as FBI investigations. I am | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
going to leave to them to make determinations about what the | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
Russians did or what they might have. Actually when Trump says only | :06:06. | :06:13. | |
the fake news media think his team were included with Russia. Clearly | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
you're not ruling this out either. These are ongoing investigations. | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
Just like the chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, involved in | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
the investigation, said it would be premature at this time to make any | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
determination or rule anything out. The British Home Secretary said that | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
the Government should be given access to what's April, another end | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
to -- what's app, an encryption service. Do you think she's right? | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
There needs to be a way for the Government to work with these | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
companies, such as what's app, so the Government can carry out its | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
responsibilities to protect society and to carry out the rule of law. | :06:48. | :06:55. | |
When there are these very sophisticated technologies it really | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
impedes the Government's ability to protect its citizens. The lecture | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
you're giving tomorrow you're saying clearly that you're concerned about | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
the pretense of some poll -- competence of some politicians to | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
enter positions of authorities that don't have the skills for carrying | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
out their solemn governmental responsibility with competence, | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
integrity and efficacy. Who are you thinking of? I can think of a lot of | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
government leaders around the world who arrive in those positions | :07:25. | :07:33. | |
without the needed experience, the needed knowledge to carry out these | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
responsibilities in a very complicated world. You talk about a | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
variety of people you might, the kinds of people that you might be | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
talking about. You said if this person came from, even in an | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
unrelated celebrity inducing field. I mean you're being coy. You're | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
talking about Donald Trump, aren't you? I am expressing my views and | :07:54. | :08:03. | |
concerns about how important these government positions and leadership | :08:04. | :08:11. | |
positions are and how we as societies need to have confidence | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
that the individuals who have such power and authority are up to the | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
task. Was Donald Trump right to tweet his accusation that President | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
Obama wiretapped him before the election, was he right to say that? | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
I guess a president can say whatever he wants, particularly one that | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
tweets. I think that there is a solemn obligation on the part of an | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
individual, such as the president, to tweet or to message information | :08:39. | :08:50. | |
that is accurate, that is - that is measured and that is not just a | :08:51. | :08:58. | |
spontaneous or impulsive number of words that they're trying to say. I | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
think that there are some things that have been tweeted, coming out | :09:04. | :09:11. | |
of Washington, where the care was not taken and the individual who | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
tweet today was not mindful of the importance that people attach to the | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
words of a president. Donald Trump would say that the real story that's | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
going on, what's going on just now, is leaks for the intelligence | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
community not the team's alleged links with Russia, is he right? He | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
is certainly right that these leaks are appalling. They need to stop. | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
Any unauthorised disclosure of classified information is something | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
that needs to be addressed. One of Donald Trump's first outings when he | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
became president was to make a speech in front of the CIA memorial. | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
He talked about his disputed inauguration attendance figures | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
rather than actually paying tribute to the CIA agents who had fallen in | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
the course of duty. What went through your mind when you saw that? | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
That wall of honour is hallowed ground for the agency. I know many | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
of the individuals who are represented on that wall with those | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
stars. So, when I saw Mr Trump up there, talking about politics, it | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
really struck a nerve and it was not just my nerve that was struck. Many | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
of my colleagues, former and current employees of the CIA, felt that was | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
something that should not have taken place. I felt I had to give voice to | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
the concerns of agency officers, which I did. Because you criticised | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
Donald Trump for comparing Intel agencies to Nazi Germany. I wonder | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
how that was received by the intelligence agency, not what you | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
said, what he said. The intelligence professionals at CIA and other parts | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
of the community take great pride in their work. They don't do it for | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
public ack La mags or ticker tape parades -- acclamation. They do it | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
silently and most times their great work is never known. When there is | :11:03. | :11:10. | |
criticism and baseless criticism and imPuning the integrity, the mission | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
of intelligence officers, yeah, intelligence officers take up bridge | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
at that. -- umbridge. The White House all but accused GCHQ of | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
helping President Obama wiretap Donald Trump. I mean, was that | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
justified? Did it damage the five eyes alliance? Again, there are a | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
lot of things that have been said and tweeted and whatever that I just | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
- I am mystified over. As to why they were done. If at the end of | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
these investigations, into the leaks, it is found that there has | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
been leaks by CIA officers themselves, they will undermine | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
their own organisation. They will undermine the organisation that | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
you've served for all these years, if that's found to be the case. | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
Anybody who releases classified information, whether it be to a | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
foreign intelligence service or to the media, to me, is carrying out a | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
treasonous act against their country. They should be held to | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
account. There have been instances where CIA officers in the past, just | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
like British intelligence officers of the past, have gone bad. The deep | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
state. Well, no. These are individuals who have violated their | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
Oath of Office. You don't believe in the deep state? I do not, absolutely | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
not. That's ridiculous that there's a deep state trying to undermine | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
either the credibility of the presidency or is trying to pursue | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
other policies. That's what Donald Trump and Steve Bannon thinks. | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
Anybody who thinks there is a deep state and the CIA is part of it in | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
the US government is delusional. Thank you very much indeed. Thank | :12:50. | :12:50. | |
you very much. The former Director of the CIA | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
talking to me this afternoon. We'll put up the whole of that | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
interview with John Brennan on Newsnight's YouTube | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
channel later on. And you can see his Richard Dimbleby | :12:59. | :13:00. | |
Lecture on BBC One tomorrow night. At 2.30pm in Russia's second city, | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
a suspected bomb detonated on a metro train, killing at least | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
ten people and injuring many more. St Petersburg is Vladimir Putin's | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
home town, and tonight he laid Russia is used to terror attacks by | :13:14. | :13:27. | |
Chechen separatists. But the country's involvement in Syria has | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
also brought threats from IS propaganda groups. | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
Here's John Sweeney with what we know, and a warning | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
that his film does contain some upsetting images. | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
The fog of terror in St Petersburg metro today. | :13:45. | :13:46. | |
The bomb packed with shrapnel was powerful enough | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
This is the moment passengers struggled to escape | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
Long before the authorities arrived, passengers did their best | :13:57. | :14:22. | |
11 dead, 50 injured and little clarity on the big questions. | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
A bomb on the tube train travelling between Sennaya Ploshchad | :14:27. | :14:35. | |
and Tekhnologichesky Institut stations, exploded. | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
Another device was defused at a nearby station. | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
Relatives were desperate to hear news from the missing. | :14:41. | :14:51. | |
TRANSLATION: She was supposed to have left school by three | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
I talked to a couple of witnesses who were more or less OK, | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
They said that people were trying to help each other, | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
to get out of this hell as fast as possible. | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
Terror attacks against ordinary people on tubes, trains and planes | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
Feeding conspiracy theories but the Kremlin itself might be | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
Feeding conspiracy theories that the Kremlin itself might be | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
But the most likely culprits are attackers | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
My immediate suspicion is to look towards Islamist networks | :15:17. | :15:25. | |
these sort of attacks in Russia, against public transport in this | :15:26. | :15:41. | |
sort of co-ordinated fashion, it would seem insting stingtively | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
you would see the attack being linked in that direction. | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
Vladimir Putin is fighting wars in Syria and Ukraine. | :15:48. | :15:55. | |
Blood is being spilt in Russia's always troubled | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
And one pro Kremlin voice even pointed the finger | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
at anti-corruption protestors, but tonight law enforcement sources | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
said that a suicide bomber was responsible, who could have | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
links to radical Islamist groups banned in Republican. | :16:11. | :16:12. | |
This is how the master of the Kremlin responded. | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
TRANSLATION: Law enforcement bodies and special services are working, | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
and will do all they can in order to find out the cause | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
But Putin has built his reputation on being the guarantor | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
an attack while he was in the city, an attack on public transport, | :16:25. | :16:39. | |
in a sort of multiple potential devices in this co-ordinated way | :16:40. | :16:41. | |
suggests a dramatic security failure which ultimately will be seen | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
Tonight, while what drove the killer to commit 24 | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
atrocity remains unclear, ordinary people are yet again | :16:52. | :16:53. | |
Oksana Antonenko is a Russia expert at the London School of Economics. | :16:54. | :17:05. | |
Good evening. From what you know and what we are saying here, there are a | :17:06. | :17:17. | |
number of different possibilities. The Russian Government says it is | :17:18. | :17:19. | |
investigating a suicide bombing. What do you think might have | :17:20. | :17:27. | |
happened? First of all let me start by expressing my deepest condolences | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
to everybody affected. It was a well planned and orchestrated attack, | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
which was aimed at inflicting the largest possible damage for the | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
civilians, in fact this metro station is very close to number of | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
Russian universities, and the time of the bomb coincided with the time | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
and the lectures finished at the university and the students were | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
going home. So it was very well planned and executed and the fact | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
that the second bomb was found at another station, reportedly | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
concealed as a fire extinguisher shows it wasn't just a lone suicide | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
bomber, it was a very well orchestrated and well researched and | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
co-ordinated attack, therefore, it is clearly, work of an organisation | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
at least several people than it is just a lone extremist. There are of | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
course several theories, most point to links with IS. It could be some | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
Russian nationals or even nationals from central Asia who were fighting | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
in Syria, on the side of IS. The estimates indicate round 10,000 or | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
more Russians were fighting in Syria, and probably round 4-6,000 | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
central Asians who were many radicalised during their time in | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
Russia, as migrants, working in Russia. The second potential herery | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
and that someone is seriously investigated at the moment, that it | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
is linked to the indigenous IS linked groups within Russia, in | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
fact, terrorism in Russia has been continuing, now, for a while. Last | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
year, alone, in the knot Caucasus 200 Russian law enforcement | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
personnel and civilians were killed in the IS linked attacks and just a | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
few days ago, on 24th March, there was a very large attack outside of, | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
at the National Guard, again organised by the IS linked local | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
group, so leer clearly we have a large network of IS affiliated | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
groups. But it would be fair to say recently in the Caucasus | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
particularly these have been bombs in less populated area, areas that | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
do not attract so much media attention, this presumably on the | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
day that Vladimir Putin was there to meet the President of Belarus, this | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
was timed to make the maximum impact abroad? Well, not only abroad. It is | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
to make the maximum impact on Russia itself. Russia of course is entering | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
the Presidential election campaign, it is a time when the politics I | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
again, coming to the forefront, I think we are seen the protests | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
recently, and it is really something which is aimed in my view, mostly at | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
the domestic audience. I think one perhaps big question of whether it | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
is really an IS affiliated attack is no-one has claimed the | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
responsibility for this attack. Usually IS, in, declares that | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
responsibility. Tell me though, Vladimir Putin, you know, it will be | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
laid at his door, the commentators said in the film, because he see | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
himself as a strong man, the idea is he going to going to keep Russia | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
safe, how destabilising will this be? During those kind of attacks the | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
nation usually rallies round the flag. I don't think it will be, if | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
it is just one attack, it is not going to be something which is going | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
to undermine I think Putin's very high popularity rating. If on the | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
other hand we are present at the beginning of another campaign and we | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
remember in the mid 2000s there were bombs going on in the transport | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
system. In Russia almost on a weekly basis and clearly they are still | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
going, as I mentioned in the north Caucasus and can be in other parts | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
of Russia, then, of course, we will see much more I think tensions | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
building up before the election campaign, but I think one terrorist | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
attack is not going to be in my view very damaging to Putin but other -- | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
rather will strengthen his popularity. Thank you for joining | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
Time was when Co2 emissions were the main target for Government | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
action on the environment, but if the expected announcement | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
tomorrow by the Mayor of London is anything to go by, | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
the focus has swung hard to nitrogen oxides - or noxes - | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
Siddiq Khan looks like he's going to announce that he is fast | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
forwarding a toxin tax on diesel cars in the city, and other towns | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
and cities in England are expected to follow suit. | :21:52. | :21:53. | |
Naysayers insist that diesel cars only make up 10% | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
Campaigners retort that the other polluters aren't at ground level | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
Air pollution, a problem that refuses to fade. | :22:02. | :22:23. | |
Its stench has lingered far too long in the UK. | :22:24. | :22:25. | |
The Government attributes 40,000 premature deaths a year to it. | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
And it wants to be seen to be doing something about it. | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
The government will publish its plans in a couple of week, according | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
to the Sunday Times I will clamp-down on diesel vehicle, a | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
toxin tax could be charged, in the ten worst affected, diesel cars as | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
well as commercial vehicles could be banned during peak hours. | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
We have had a government that has simply rested on giving advice to | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
people to stay at home when air pollution is high, that is nowhere | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
near good enough, we need much more proactive action when it comes to | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
tax tackling air pollution at source. Air pollution, let us | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
remember is not only responsible for many thousands of premature deaths | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
but also costing the economy anywhere up to ?20 billion in terms | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
of ill health and so forth. So we do need action like low-emission zones, | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
we need the Government to step up, just as many Governments are already | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
doing across the rest of the world. Tell me what this is? A poster about | :23:27. | :23:34. | |
air pollution. Yeah? And to stop the dust getting in the air, so | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
healthier life for all of us. I like that. The Mayor of London recently | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
introduced a new ?10 toxicity charge, dubbed the T charge. It is | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
reported that tomorrow, he will announce a charge of 12.50 for every | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
polluting vehicle entering any part of Greater London. Not just the | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
centre of the the city. London is one of the worst affected areas in | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
the UK by air pollution. Here on Oxford Street, the limits for | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
nitrous dioxide were breached 16 times last year, that is 150 more | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
than is allowed. Now transport accounts for 80% of | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
the UK's total nitrous oxide emissions by the roadside. Diesel | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
engines emitt on average more than petrol and that is why the | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
Government is so keen to reduce their use, especially in spins. | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
Testify Nearly one in two new cars bought last year were diesel. They | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
are seen as more economical and when it comes to carbon dioxide emissions | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
less harmful. However in recent years studies have focus on nigh | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
rows oxide as more harmful. It is confusing. Volkswagen was found | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
guilty of falsifying emissions data on its diesel vehicles, pretending | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
they were cleaner than they were. That was for its laboratory tests, | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
however, now there is doubts being cast over the value of tests done by | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
all auto makers in a controlled environment. A UK Government study | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
compared laboratory test results with the actual performance of | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
vehicles on the road. The dotted line shows the emissions target, | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
which the vehicles met under laboratory test conditions. The bars | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
show that all models emitted more nitrous oxides on the road. On | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
average the readings were six times worse. | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
So how can drivers be deterred from diesel? A tax is another way of | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
trying to tackle emissions from diesel car, they can be applied | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
nationally, with more flexibility and they can also be a revenue | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
generator to invest in low-emission transport, including public | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
transport, low-emissions buses and active transport such as walking and | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
cycling. Road vehicles are not responsible for the majority of | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
diesel emission, some are report suggest they contribute to just 10%. | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
15 of the biggest cargo ships currently pollute more nitrogen and | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
sull for ox IEDses than all the world's cars put together. Aircraft | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
emissions are still rising. Regulations are being tightened for | :26:16. | :26:17. | |
them but travellers on the road are likely to feel the pinch first. | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
The motor journalist and former Top Gear presenter | :26:24. | :26:25. | |
Alongside, Oliver Hayes, the lead air pollution campaigner | :26:26. | :26:34. | |
The diesel is a killers it has to be stopped. Nobody is talking about | :26:35. | :26:42. | |
what the real pollutants are. Defra said that PM 10, 2.5, the ultra fine | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
particles, 73% of that pollution comes from what is known as | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
commercial public and residential combustion, that is burning wood. So | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
you have got this 10% of cars, that are producing this tiny sliver of | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
pollution, and nobody is doing anything about these pollutants that | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
are add pedestrian level. So it is an easy target, where you are | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
hitting peep who are trying to do their best because they were told | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
that new diesel cars were environmentally-friendly. When we | :27:16. | :27:17. | |
talk about air pollution, what we are talking about is children | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
growing up with smaller lungs. We are talking about people having | :27:22. | :27:29. | |
worsen asthma symptoms and changes in the brain associated with | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
Alzheimer's. Would you rather not go after the cargo ship, the aircraft, | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
than going after 10% which is cars. I think as your introduction made | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
clear, what is crucial is where the pollution takes place, now, most of | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
us, don't live near a big chimney or next to a big cargo ship but most of | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
us do live near a road and that is why road transport is the biggest | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
problem, diesel vehicles are the worse of all. The Government is | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
clear on that. It is true if you take to Oxford Street, the amount of | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
breaches in one year is phenomenal. 260 buses an hour on Oxford Street. | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
That is your problem. With respect, nobody is talking about ship,s, that | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
is 80% of background pollution. Nobody is talking about rail. Ground | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
machinery, digger, road roller, 14% of background pollution, nobody is | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
talking about this. Instead as always we demonise the diesel drive. | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
It was that 1998 budget that Gordon Brown brought in that did the 3 | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
pence cut in diesel, and Greenpeace were advising and Friends of the | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
Earth was advising Gordon Brown for that. So, this is the unintended | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
consequence. That is not true. We were saying clearly in 1999 and 2000 | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
we were not advising diesel cars because of the clear health | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
pollutant. How do you help people? These are people who perhaps have a | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
small family car, they have bought it thinking it is | :28:58. | :28:58. | |
environmentally-friendly. They have to drive to get to work, a lot of | :28:59. | :29:05. | |
these marginal seats around cities and commuter, the Conservatives will | :29:06. | :29:07. | |
have a problem with that, you will hit these people who are having to | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
travel to work? I agree that drivers are rightly angry, Most people | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
driving diesel cars bought them because they were told they were the | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
greener choice, they did so in good faith. Give them ten years, to sell | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
their car and move on to another car, but, the word is they are going | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
to be hit in the next 12 months. We need to get action on diesel cars at | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
the earliest opportunity. Every day of inaction is another day of lives | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
lost. Isn't it the case if you gave people help to get through this it | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
would be better for everybody, more electric car, fewer diesel cars it | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
would be better. I have been campaigning for electric cars for | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
year, I saw the Secretary of State, telling him to get his accuse | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
together. But the cost to consumers who were told to buy diesel. If you | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
say every dicele calf will have its value reduced by 5,00 pounds because | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
move this hysteria, that is 75 billion we will be costing | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
consumers. Tell me how, we know that, now we are talking with the | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
Greater London area, but you have the congestion charge, that is | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
monitored you can tell cars coming in, but when it comes to Newcastle | :30:18. | :30:22. | |
or Leicester, how are you actual going to monitor this? That is why | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
our position is clear, we need the so-called clean air zones to be | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
properly funded and to be mandatory, we need Local Authorities to be | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
supported to introduce the... By central Government Absolutely. It is | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
not fair to same police say you must introduce the clean air zone but | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
provide no support to do it. I would like to go back to the point about | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
the cost to drivers, because you know, people driving dicele cars are | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
just about as much at risk of air pollution as people on the street. | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
We know if you are stuck in traffic and your car is bridging in air from | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
the exhaust in front of you, you are getting poisoned by this stuff. So | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
we need to support action for everybody. It may be you are asking | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
people to pay the congestion charge in London to pay an extra 15.50 to | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
bring their car in London. That will hit trade in London as wellen is it. | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
We are clear three things need to happen. We knee to restrict want | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
December doole cars can go. We need to get existence between exhaust | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
pipes and children's lungs. Would you like to see every dicele bus | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
taken off the streets? We are seeing good progress. Once swept have Petit | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
Cambodge a, we have enough surveillance cameras so it will be | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
easy to monitor number plates and charge people. And we will miss the | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
worst polluters we don't measure ultra fine particles. It is not in | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
the MoT. Or the vehicle exist duty, so we will be missing the pollution | :31:53. | :31:53. | |
that is out there. Would you agree that diesel cars | :31:54. | :32:03. | |
that aren't the most environmentally friendly, 10, 15, 20 years old, | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
scrap them? We should be testing for more particulate pollution. We don't | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
do that. So change the MOT. That's not always being enforced as it | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
should be. We know filters that take out particulates are being removed. | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
That process is legal. Particulates are never being measured. They are. | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
The point is about particulates is that we have seen huge action | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
bringing the particulate emissions from diesels down, we haven't seen | :32:32. | :32:39. | |
action on nox. The car makers have been lying to us. Under the | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
Government's watch and EU's watch. Those regimes were supervised by the | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
Government and EU. We are in a public health crisis. We know that | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
nox is not under control. We know that the UK Government is breaking | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
the law. It's a simple point. The UK is obliged to meet legal limits on | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
nitrogen dioxide and it isn't. Thank you very much very much indeed. | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
If you're black and grew up in Britain in the '70s or '80s, | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
perhaps the first person of a similar background | :33:09. | :33:09. | |
you would have seen on a programme like this was Darcus Howe. | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
An anti-racism campaigner, a member of the British | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
Black Panther movement, writer, agitator, public | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
intellectual and a broadcaster and documentary maker, | :33:17. | :33:18. | |
Howe's death was announced at the weekend. | :33:19. | :33:20. | |
He had been living with prostate cancer for more six years. | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
He edited Race Today for 11 years, working alongside Farruk Dhondy | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
and Linton Kweisi Johnson, and is credited with | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
a transformative role in immigrants' rights. | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
In a life that spanned 74 years and began in Trinidad, | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
Darcus Howe saw Britain transformed, and often he was the heart | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
I'm sitting opposite a man, he knows nothing, | :33:41. | :33:48. | |
The result is he is a trenchant buffoon. | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
He has no idea how to present television shows, he looks | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
ridiculous in that fashionwear, he swans around all the time hoping | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
that people will recognise him, when in fact nobody's | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
He's taking up enough time on this show already, | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
Sorry, that's the introduction to Robert Elms. | :34:04. | :34:10. | |
I've just read out the introduction to Robert Elms. | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
Heroic and uncharacteristic restraint from Darcus Howe. | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
A formidable civil rights campaigner and broadcaster. | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
Back in the '70s, Howe was more than a match for the Met, | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
when he and others were charged over disturbances in west | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
London, following police raids on a restaurant. | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
Officers told the Old Bailey they'd seen Howe orchestrating a crowd | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
The lawyer said Darcus, please, exhibits are... | :34:38. | :34:48. | |
So they bring the van and there were these slits at the back. | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
The four policemen seeing the same thing, seeing the same | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
So I measured it quietly while the judge and they | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
were round the side, and went home, cut out | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
a piece of paper, foolscap, the size of the slit. | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
Recalled the witness and said "Tell me, how four of you could see | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
the same thing at the same time, through that slit?" | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
He say "My eye was here, Rhys's eye was here. | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
Roger's eye was here, and the next eye was here." | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
And that is what eventually broke the spirit of the prosecution. | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
Darcus absolutely, by defending himself, was the star of the show, | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
out of the nine defendants, and with Shakespeare quotations | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
He stood up in the dock and was very impressive. | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
Darcus was a fearless warrior, in the struggle against racial | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
People talking about the civil rights movement. | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
There was no civil rights movement in this country, there were - | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
anti-racist struggles were being raged and Darcus | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
No-one got a free pass from Darcus Howe, who went | :35:59. | :36:05. | |
on to be a high profile and punchy broadcaster. | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
Being an A-lister was no guarantee of an easy ride | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
The other story I want to tell you is about a family of nine | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
children, who had talent, but made it to the top | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
because of terror and violence, from parents driven by ambition. | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
But he met his match in comedienne Joan Rivers, on Radio 4. | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
Black does not offend, me, how dare you! | :36:33. | :36:41. | |
Can we just say that you don't think Joan is a racist | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
I don't know whether she's a racist or not, I don't care. | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
Normally I don't, wouldn't ever meet you in my life. | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
Howe was in demand as a commentator on issues of race and identity. | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
Whether discussing symbols of Britishness... | :37:06. | :37:07. | |
I like living here but I'm not a patriot. | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
You could like the country, I love the countryside, | :37:13. | :37:14. | |
I get along beautifully with the English people, | :37:15. | :37:16. | |
we are part of a space, but I am not patriot. | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
Did you ever sense this was going to happen? | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
I have a grandson, who's 15, and who cannot count | :37:26. | :37:32. | |
the number of times he was stopped and searched. | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
I think Darcus, in a way more than anybody else, | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
He still had the trust and confidence of the black | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
community, but to some extent, at least, he had the trust and | :37:48. | :37:50. | |
Utterly unbiddable, his own man, Darcus Howe wouldn't let | :37:51. | :37:58. | |
anyone off the hook, no matter how celebrated. | :37:59. | :38:00. | |
Just as we were coming to grips with our new hero. | :38:01. | :38:09. | |
Tomorrow morning's front pages. We gun with the Sun which reprises an | :38:10. | :38:26. | |
old headline, this time, it's up yours senor. There is the picture of | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
Gibraltar. The guardian seeks to ease tensions over Gibraltar. The | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
Mail, 3 million of car debts they can't repay. | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
And finally a story in the telegraph, the story that the | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
National Trust has air brushed Easter. Church of England condemns | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
rebrand egg hunt. The National Trust has dropped the word Easter from the | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
annual Easter egg hunt. That's just about it tonight. We leave you with | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
our new Brexit correspondent, Bob Danvers Walker. Who filed this | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
report on Gibraltar's preparation on life post EU. Along the entire | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
length of Gibraltar bay, it is a grand panorama of ships of war. Safe | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
from tore r torpedo attack, proudly ride the floating Arsenals of the | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
British navy. Always in the foreground is the | :39:24. | :39:35. | |
navy. The people of Gibraltar like to feel there's a manowar about the | :39:36. | :39:44. | |
house. So Gibraltar stands, watchdog of empire. | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
Hello there, good evening, and it's a bit of a grey start | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
to the day across much of eastern England, with soem outbreaks of rain | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
for East Anglia and the south-east, and some of that rain will linger | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
Meanwhile, for the afternoon, in Northern Ireland, | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
Bright and breezy, 11 or 12 degrees, more like ten or 11 | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
It will always be quite windy the further north | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
you go, particularly up towards Orkney and Shetland. | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
There will be some showers rattling through on that wind. | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
There will be some showers too in the north-west of Scotland. | :40:16. | :40:18. |