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Now, Newswatch. Did that BBC News give the oxygen of publicity to the | :00:06. | :00:15. | |
Woolwich attackers? Welcome to Newswatch. Did the BBC | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
allow its bulletins to be used by the attackers in Woolwich to spread | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
their message? Worthy images of the attacks shown on BBC Two graphic and | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
insensitive? And were some of the voices heard discussing the incident | :00:30. | :00:39. | |
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Wednesday saw the unprecedented street murder by Islamic radicals of | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
Durmmer Lee Rigby in Woolwich. The response of BBC News over the next | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
few hours raised several questions in the minds of viewers. Some news | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
has come in and it is from the Metropolitan Police, from Scotland | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
Yard, conforming officers have responded to an incident in John | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
Wilson Street in Woolwich dot. the strongest reaction concerned | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
footage of one of the suspects attempting to explain the reasons | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
behind the attack which was filmed on a mobile phone. Stuart Pearce was | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
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one of several hundred with this Robinson made this comment on the | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
news at six. Senior Whitehall sources have told me, and I cannot | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
confirm this, that the police now believe that the attackers were of | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
Moslem appearance, that they filmed their attack, and they shouted, and | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
owl Akbar. He later apologised for the use of that phrase, of Moslem | :01:51. | :02:01. | |
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appearance, which attracted the ire choice of guest discussing the | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
attack. Concerns over a news channel interview with a man from the Muslim | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
public cares -- affairs committee. And Anjem Choudary. For others the | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
objection was to the images described here by Joan Jarvis. -- | :02:24. | :02:34. | |
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from viewers. With me to discuss them as -- is the head of the BBC | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
News. Talk about the bushels, the images the BBC showed. What was your | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
concern? My concern was this was a murderer with the blood of his | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
victim on his hands. Immediately in the aftermath of carrying out the | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
crime, is one of the e-mail said, the with the glimpse of the body in | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
the background, and to me that was inappropriate. It wasn't the right | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
place or time to show that footage, and I don't feel that footage should | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
have been shown on mainstream TV at all. That is a very specific | :03:26. | :03:35. | |
concern. A lot of viewers were concerned about that. Seeing the | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
blood and the suspect. This was a very challenging day in the newsroom | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
and other newsrooms, too. Really shocking events. On the folding | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
quite quickly, and then this flow of material that begins to appear, we | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
look very hard at this material coming in and we thought really | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
carefully about what to use because we knew how upsetting those images | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
where. -- those images were. We decided to use some of the footage | :04:04. | :04:10. | |
and earlier in the day and obviously particularly before the watershed, | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
we were very careful to give clear warnings. Later in the evening, the | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
audience is different. We flag with the language and which is to be very | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
clear about what is coming up. about the video? We heard what this | :04:26. | :04:33. | |
man had to second what he wanted people to hear. I just feel that | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
this is an absolute watershed moment in broadcasting. This has never | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
happened before and you responded to it very quickly. The difference | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
between this content being on our TV channels and on the Internet is an | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
editorial one. If people want to go to the Internet, they can see what | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
ever they want to see. But you have to draw the line on what is moral | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
and decent. To show a murderer with blood on his hands to me is | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
completely crossing that line. If he had attacked a woman or child, would | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
you have still shown that footage? Did the context of the possible | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
terrorist attack justify it? I don't think it did. To go back to the | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
second point, to allow him to speak and to voice the reason he had for | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
carrying out this awful attack. It showed him triumphant after he had | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
murdered a human being, whose relatives, like you say, could have | :05:28. | :05:35. | |
been watching. Or soldiers that could've been watching from his | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
barracks. I don't feel that... Giving a platform, allowing those | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
words to go out with the video is almost justifying what he did. He | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
did something terrible and he got what he wanted. About the | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
distressing images, we know they are distressing and we know we will have | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
a range of reactions. You are not alone in how you felt. And we do | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
know that. What we try to do is to find the point we feel is | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
appropriate to tell the story, to make sure that for people who do not | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
want to see it that we flag it. We made our judgement about what to | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
use, and there was more we didn't use. On the issue of the audio which | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
is very important and interesting, and one which we thought hard about, | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
we understand, of course, the issue of providing a platform, but our | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
view was that as the story unfolded in those first hours, that we were | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
endeavouring to report what happened, but also to try to | :06:39. | :06:47. | |
illuminate. And one of the issues is motivation. And the audio began to | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
take you to understanding, and this is not about justifying, but perhaps | :06:51. | :06:58. | |
understanding some of what had happened. There were still is and | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
graphic. Would the BBC run their audio footage of somebody did that | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
tomorrow? Our job is to show and explain how this footage existed, | :07:08. | :07:15. | |
that it had happened, people in Woolwich had heard it. But you | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
didn't have to broadcasted. We felt it was valuable in the early stages | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
of telling the story to show it because that's how people best can | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
make their own minds up. We didn't use it in a sort of thoughtless way. | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
And as time went on we used it less and less but in those early stages, | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
it felt part of helping the audience understand what had happened. | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
people have complained about the guest to have been appearing to | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
analyse this story, notably Anjem Choudary. He was on Newsnight on | :07:46. | :07:53. | |
Thursday. A concerned this was adding to an atmosphere, which was | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
not illuminating. Why was the BBC still putting him on air? | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
approach, as with all stories, is to talk to a really wide range of | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
people and to provide a range of reaction, again to serve | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
understanding. Newsnight thought very hard about whether or not to | :08:09. | :08:19. | |
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approach and John Cowdrey. -- Anjem Choudary. Not least by the time | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
Newsnight went out, we knew and we had evidence that one of the | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
suspects was an associate of his. Therefore there were legitimate | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
questions to put to him. The other really important point was making | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
sure that Kirsty, but also some of her other guests, were in the studio | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
challenging him extremely hard, as they did, about some of the views he | :08:40. | :08:47. | |
holds. So that is the thinking that went into it. We didn't run many | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
interviews with him, we certainly were not putting him on live on the | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
airwaves. But in the context of Newsnight's journalism, and handled | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
the way we did, it was an appropriate thing to do. We will | :08:59. | :09:08. | |
have to leave it there but thank you Please letters know your thoughts on | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
those issues or any other aspects of BBC News. Stage and for how to | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
contact us. Time for a couple of other topics, starting with the | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
tornado which hit Oklahoma. Tony Pearson raised a question in this | :09:22. | :09:32. | |
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our inbox this week. After he had been confronted by protesters in an | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
Edinburgh pub but before he had walked out of BBC Scotland radio | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
interview, Gavin Esler on the news channel interviewed the party's | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
economy spokesman. You know him very well and he has got this reputation | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
as a bloke in a saloon bar and so on, but you think it is telling on | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
him? He works very hard. Perhaps he smokes and drinks too much as well? | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
Well, he's never pretended to be a priest and if you don't mind me | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
suggesting, I regard that as an impertinent remark! How dare you | :10:25. | :10:32. | |
suggest he should smoke... What the hell has it got to do with you? ! | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
apologise if you take it that way. He wasn't the only one to take | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
umbrage about that line of questioning. We received this | :10:38. | :10:48. | |
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week. If you want to share your opinions on BBC News and current | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
affairs or even appear on the programme, you can call us or e-mail | :11:07. | :11:17. | |
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