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him. `` has not had to go to prison. And now we ask this BBC coverage | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
risk being a platform for militants? Hello, and welcome to Newswatch. | :00:00. | :00:17. | |
With air strikes, parliamentary votes and hostage videos, Islamist | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
militants are very much in the headlines. But if the BBC helping | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
the propaganda war? Why did the BBC's royal correspondent disappear | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
from the Scottish bridge last Friday evening? And indiscreet, perhaps, | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
but can't a man have a private conversation without it being | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
broadcast all over the world? Whether you call that an Islamic | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
State, ISIS or ISIL, and we will be coming to that later, the radical | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
Islamist group which has seized land in Syria and Iraq in the past few | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
months now unquestionably dominates the news agenda. US led air strikes | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
against the militants began on Monday night. On Tuesday, a second | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
video was released featuring journalist John Cantlie, kidnapped | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
in Syria in 2012. And the threat to kill another British hostage, Alan | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
Henning, remains. It is all worthwhile when you see | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
what is needed to get to actually wear it needs to go. He is the taxi | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
driver from Salford, held hostage by Islamic State. Tonight, Alan | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
Henning's wife Barbara begged for his release. She said she had | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
received an audiophile of Alan pleading for his life. | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
All this presents considerable challenges to journalists. The | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
obvious dangers of kidnapped in reporting from Syria and Iraq, the | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
distress of the facts of the story, with difficult judgements of taste | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
and decency for editors back in London. Then there is the risk of | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
providing a platform for the terrorists. Doug Graham is one fewer | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
concerned by that. There is also the issue of the | :01:51. | :02:30. | |
terminology used to describe these crimes and their perpetrators, | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
picked up in this e`mail by Paul Lodwick. | :02:34. | :02:51. | |
That last point was echoed by Neal Hastings. | :02:52. | :03:23. | |
Well, to discuss all that, the BBC's deputy director of news and | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
current affairs joins me now. Fran, we have spoken on Newswatch recently | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
about the principle that the BBC does use some stills and sometimes | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
audio from hostage videos, but given that there seemed to be more and | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
more of these videos coming out, doesn't the BBC need to rethink | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
whether it uses them at all? Absolutely. We need to reassess, as | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
we go along, exactly how we treat these videos. Whether we will ever | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
get to the point where we will say we will not use any of them at all, | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
in some cases we might do that, if we thought there was no public | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
interest served by it. But what we have to do here is balance a number | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
of different things, which is, I duty to inform versus the taste and | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
decency issues, and also, as you have described, the platform of the | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
oxygen of publicity issue. And balancing all these things can be | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
quite tricky, and to lead to tricky editorial judgements, which we must | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
constantly keep under review, as you suggest. Let's talk about language. | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
A lot of viewers questioned the taste of news constantly talking | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
about the details of how the hostages were beheaded. Or even the | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
word executed. Shouldn't you just say murdered? We do say murdered in | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
some instances. Executed probably tends to imply, although I don't | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
think this is actually the definition of it, a legal process. | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
And obviously there hasn't been a legal process in any of these cases. | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
Beheaded, well, I think it is actually quite important to know how | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
these people died, which is particularly gruesome. Then there is | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
the language of how this group is described. Islamic State, ISIS, | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
ISIL. Even politicians vary how they describe them. Even if you use the | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
qualifications so called, a lot of viewers are concerned that this | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
group are not an organised, legitimate political power, but they | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
are being talked about in a way which gives them legitimacy. This is | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
quite a tricky issue, because what we are seeking to do here is just | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
explain to the audience who it is that we are talking about. They | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
chose to call themselves Islamic State. You can imply whatever | :05:33. | :05:39. | |
meaning you think attaches itself to that, but that is what they call | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
themselves. Politicians are calling them something different, and we | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
have two actually reflects that as well, because of the politician is | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
calling them ISIL, then we also have to say the Islamic State, sometimes | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
known as ISIL, which we do in some of our coverage. But if we start to | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
decide ourselves what they are called, then I am not sure how | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
appropriate that is either. The BBC has engaged with British jihadists | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
in the region to try to understand what is going on and why they are | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
going up. But there is a concern that the BBC could be a kind of | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
platform for their propaganda. The interest that some media show in | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
tracing Jihadi John, for example, distresses a lot of viewers. This is | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
obviously a very tricky issue, and we don't particularly want to be | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
providing a platform for people with very extreme views. However, our job | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
is about understanding as well. I think that what our policy is here | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
is to show enough of this that we think would answer any questions of | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
public interest that people have about them. So, for instance, if you | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
take Jihadi John, so`called Jihadi John, we use some of the audio of | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
this person to show that they were British. It was quite clear from | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
their accent. And they were probably from the London area. Also, there is | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
an argument for putting this out, because somebody might be able to | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
identify him, which might be of help to the authorities. Fran, thank you | :07:08. | :07:16. | |
very much for coming on Newswatch. Do let us know your thoughts on | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
that, or on any aspect of BBC News. And stay with us for details on how | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
to get in touch. Now for some of your other concerns this week, | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
starting with an apology from the BBC for showing some footage of | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
Jimmy Savile on a repeat of an old edition of top of the pops a couple | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
of weeks ago. The BBC's News article website featured, you guessed it, a | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
photograph of the disgraced disc jockey. Ingrid Green did not | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
appreciate the irony. The fallout from last week's | :07:45. | :08:01. | |
referendum in Scotland will be felt for some time politically, and it | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
has continued to have an impact on our inbox over the past week. During | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
last Friday's News at 6pm, the reaction of the Queen to the | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
referendum result was `` result was keenly awaited. Within the last few | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
minutes, a statement from the Queen has been published. Our royal | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
correspondent has the details for us at Balmoral. Nicholas, what does it | :08:22. | :08:35. | |
say? I'm sorry, we seem to have a few difficulties trying to get a | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
hold of Nicholas. Apologies for that. | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
Five minutes later we did get to hear something of Her Majesty's | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
statement, but with these results. Do not, as they say, adjust your | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
set. For many in Scotland and elsewhere today, there will be | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
strong feelings and contrasting emotions among family, friends and | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
neighbours. That, of course, is the nature of the robust, Democratic... | :09:00. | :09:13. | |
INAUDIBLE I am so sorry for that. | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
Despite our best efforts to talk to Nicholas Witchell in Balmoral, we | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
are not managing. We will try later again in the programme. | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
Technical problems do sometimes occur, of course. But Caroline | :09:26. | :09:26. | |
Holmes made this point. There were more royal ramifications | :09:27. | :09:59. | |
of the independence vote on Tuesday, when, to the Prime Minister's great | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
embarrassment, this footage was aired on the BBC and elsewhere. | :10:03. | :10:19. | |
After that conversation with former New York City Mayor Michael | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
Bloomberg Cameron said he would apologise in | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
person to the Queen when they next meet. | :10:28. | :10:55. | |
Do let us know whether you think it was inappropriate for BBC News to | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
have reported that conversation. And we welcome all your opinions on BBC | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
News and current affairs. Yours may feature next week, and you may even | :11:06. | :11:06. | |
appear on the programme. That is all from us. We will be back | :11:07. | :11:28. | |
to hear your thoughts about BBC News coverage again next week. Goodbye. | :11:29. | :11:41. |