Episode 1 Nolan Live

Thank you for joining us. We are talking about the dissident threat

level in Northern Ireland. What has happened across the world? In other

parts of the UK, what was the dissident threat level has been

increased. Previously, it said an attack was possible but not likely.

That is what is known as moderate. Just to be clear, the threat level

is now known as severe. Do the people in the leafy

suburbs not care here in Northern Ireland that people are being shot

on the streets? I think it is probably a wake up to some people

who live in other parts of the UK who do not follow what happens here

and certainly there are times whenever people are shot and killed

when it does not make the news headlines quite the same way it does

over there. For example, this week one person was shot here in Belfast.

I am talking about here. I am talking about pockets of Northern

Ireland where they are kind of indifferent to it because they do

not live close to it. I think it's is a shock whenever it happens. The

prison officer who died because of a bomb attack on his vanity was

driving to work, I do think that struck home and you will remember at

the time, the police giving a stark warning that they were concerned

about dissident republicans. Particularly concerned about this

group that is now being known as the New IRA. That group is becoming more

organised. Ian McCann, what should we do about this? I have to say that

having sat through the various pieces of evidence from MI5 at the

Savile enquiry and at other enquiries as well, I am not about to

take their word for anything. It may well be that the assessment is

accurate. There has always been support for a continuation of what

Republicans call armed struggle, and you speak to the people involved now

and they will over and over again quote the precedent of the

provisional IRA, and they got respectability and they could have

gone further and one and they are continuing the struggle. Let me cut

to the chase. Before we came on the show, we say to the audience what we

are going to talk about and none of them want to talk, certainly before

the show, they said they did not want to talk about the dissident

threat. Can you blame them? They are probably as terrified as anyone else

that if they talk about it the dissidents will shoot them and do

whatever it is that those people do. So the reality is that we have

politicians. Now you are one of them. And they will say all the

right things, we condemn this, society needs to condemn it, society

needs to tell them they are wrong, but actually they have got the upper

hand to the extent that they are creating fear and ordinary decent

people are terrified of them. Yes, well the people who are most

terrified of such violence are people who live in deprived, working

class areas. Until a bomb has exploded across the water. That has

ten times the impact of a bomb over here. I have heard you talk on your

radio show to people from working class, Catholic areas who are well

willing to talk about this but not willing to speak out. Some people,

it is not just fear that stops them, it is the fact that they understand

why these things are happening. The hysteria, for example, about drugs

in this society and other societies is absolutely bewildering and is

just wrong. You hear decent, moderate, peaceful people saying,

mind you, when they shoot drug dealers, I have no problem with

that, so exceptions are made for a particular category of people and

once you do that you have implicitly sanctioned what is happening in

general. Yes, there is a dirty trick to Northern Ireland that some of you

watching this programme tonight -- dirty truth. You will condone

certain types of violence because if it is a drug dealer or a thief, you

will not mind if they die, and what you're doing is are you empowering

those lunatics who are the dissidents with their bombs and

their bullets? Because it is all right to do that, maybe it is right

to murder someone as well, is what would be in the warped mind of some

of those people who think like that. We do have one hand up tonight. Go

ahead. It is not only drug dealers that they are shooting. They shot

young Michael McGibbon who was only 33 and had nothing to do with any

organisation, no drug dealer, a family man, and they murdered him in

cold blood. You cannot tell me that that is the law. If it was Lot... If

they have the evidence, why can't they go and handed in to the

organisations that are there to deal with that? If they are saying that

he was shot because he was a drug dealer, prove it. In any court of

law and any land, you prove it. You're innocent until you are proven

guilty. I am sorry that you have misunderstood me there. I was not

saying that anyone is a legitimate target for killing. What I was

saying is that when there is support for the killing... You just said you

would be in agreement with them shooting a drug dealer. No, he

didn't. I was saying the opposite. Hold on. Let me make it clear. He

actually said the opposite of that and what you have done... I do

apologise. Jude Collins, how do we act as a society get the upper hand?

I think we make politics succeed. I think the dissident threat happens

to the degree that people see politics not going forward. Sinn

Fein are essentially has said that we have a political path. We have

had a fresh start. And most people feel that it is a dish that has been

read. We would like to think that it will be a truly fresh start, but it

will have two require a change of attitude and a change of will and a

partnership to address issues that affect everybody here, and God knows

we have enough of them. But the bass majority of people who voted in our

recent election, they voted for the peace process. How many people have

been shot in recent times? You have three people shot on Monday in

Belfast. You had, in the last month, you had Michael Gibbons, he was

mentioned, you got Dan Murray, who was killed this week, and those are

people who have been killed. And what about the capacity of these

dissidents? The people who you are talking to, what do they tell you

about the weaponry at their disposal and their expertise? It seems very

clear at this stage that some of the explosives that have been used are

birdie. That indicates they have access to IRA weapons. There are

also indications that they have growing links to drug gangs in the

Republic and that means they probably have access to guns from

there as well as from here and from paramilitary stocks. On top of that,

the big concern that has been coming through from senior officers is just

these concerned that the new IRA, as it is being called, is better

organised than perhaps dissidents have been for some time. Whenever

you talk to the police, they have said they are splintered and

infiltrated by informers and all over the place. There is a slight

concern about this new group that they are better organised and I know

from speaking to be built today that this was not a decision that was

made overnight to have this. It has been months to decide to increase

the threat level. This is probably a difficult question for you in your

role as the Ireland correspondent, but let's do it. Do you think

actually people in the rest of the UK care more about someone being

shot if it is in the rest of the UK than here in Northern Ireland?

Because if it is in Northern Ireland, there is that sense that it

is always happening and they are used to it there. I think that

certainly it is the case that whenever a murder happens, the

circumstances of that murder will depend on how people react to it.

There are murders that have been all over England that you don't see on

the national news. It is not the case and sometimes we think to

ourselves that we are any place where murder happens and that is not

reflected on the national news. However, there is certainly the case

that Northern Ireland still has an idea of the old Troubles and that's

the old Troubles are still there and certainly when you take a look at

the shootings that have taken place over the past month, that really

reminds you of the Troubles. David McCann? It is about making

politics work. If people feel that they can do this through the

political process, there is no need to turn to violence. You are

suggesting there is some type of sane thinking for these people who

call themselves dissidents. Is there? There are certain elements of

criminality as well, but the key point is making the political

process work, because we know from our history that when people feel

disenfranchised, it is immensely destabilising. The thing you're

saying about dissidents having the upper hand, I would disagree with

that. I think our entire political system is opposed to distant

Republicanism. I didn't say they had the hand. I said some elements of

the community in terms of the year for people coming forward. We had an

election last week. The overwhelming majority of people voted for the

peace process and for stable and democratic parties. That is the

building block that we can build on. Let's move on to the wider issue of

politics. Is it just more of the same? Is that what we are going to

get another nail and? -- in Northern Ireland? We have certainly returned

an Assembly very similar to the one we had previously. From I

perspective, we are obviously delighted in the Green Party that we

did gain a seat, and there are others. But it is whether the other

parties are willing to come together and focus on delivery. You are going

to scare them. You're going to be barking at them and scaring them,

rocking the boat. Certainly in terms of our own record, pushing a road

agenda, think we have been successful on Beijing legislation

such as children's services and a ban on fracking. -- pushing

legislation. The record of delivery of the last Executive in the last

five years has not been good, and I think looking at that, if we have

the same parties in power, will we get anything different? I have been

hearing, both on the radio and on this television show, we get a lot

of people slagging off the politicians at the top, the big main

parties, saying they are a waste of space and this kind of stuff. And

yet those parties, both Sinn Fein and the DUP, can sit back after this

election and very much say, what an achievement. What a brilliant

collection for them. Who are these people? Who are people like me

facilitating? And they have the mandate now to say they have

basically got the will of the people. So maybe we should stop

complaining about it. The guy up there, go ahead. My question would

be, if there is no opposition, who is would hold Sinn Fein and the DUP

to account and ensure the fossil there -- they fulfilled their

election pledges? Are you just Jim Allister Mach two, Ayman? No, my

ideas will be very different to Jim Allister's. I think we have an

important role to play, People Before Profit and the Greens, in the

politics of the Assembly. Our vote certainly reflected the sense of

disillusionment and even anger, particularly among young people. You

only got four seats! You under the Greens together! That is perfectly

true, but equally interesting as a statistic of the fact that you

mentioned, 98% or 95% of the people who voted voted for parties that

support the peace process and the Good Friday Agreement. Actually that

is 90% of 54%, because one of the most innovative aspects of the

elections was the fact that almost half of those entitled to vote did

not turn out to vote, and there are thousands of others, as anybody who

has been canvassing won't endorse Knowles, who are not registered

deliberately because they see no point. But you can call that for

certain, because actually you cannot register that as dissatisfaction.

Maybe they are so happy that they did not feel the need to vote. The

right-wing Liberals who hate the likes of the DUP, they must be

gutted. -- the right on Liberals. We have been told by the DUP, that they

most likely will block same-sex marriage. That was said before the

election. What happened to the DUP? They had a very successful election.

So actually, guess what? They are the biggest party in the country.

They put out their mandates and same-sex marriage did not run them

at all. That is true, and people like me find that very depressing.

Nevertheless, I would say if you look at public opinion polls, and if

you judge things just by the people you meet, the general tone of

conversation around the north, there is no doubt at all that the majority

of people your support same-sex marriage. That will sooner or later

be reflected in all the political parties, including the DUP. No sign

of it when people go out to vote. Well, it seems to me that... Sorry

to interrupt you. I got a text at 2am, it actually woke me up, and

they said to me after the election result that people have spoken. And

that is what an election, I guess, is all about. Going up here, go

ahead. Being a youth, I feel that no matter who we elect, it is not going

to change. What would you want to change? What is a policy that is

important to your? For a start, jobs for years. The youth do not have any

jobs. People want to get apprenticeships and things, but

there is nothing too fond of the schemes. I think no matter who we

voting, at the end of the day, once they get in, that is it. They don't

really care about anything. They just want to get their monthly check

and their expense bill. APPLAUSE

At a man just pointed out, 47% of people did not vote at the last

election, so you are one of a growing number that did not vote.

But the only way you ever get change, as we know from our history,

is by people getting up and being engaged in the system. I totally

understand that you can be frustrated about different aspects.

We have spoken about same-sex marriage and positions of concern.

But the only way you can change that is by using ten minutes of your day

on polling day, getting out and voting for those candidates who do

represent your political views. If you look at the numbers, 46%, every

single election result in Northern Ireland could have been changed and

people who didn't vote had voted in a different way. You could have an

entirely different Assembly. While people are entitled not to vote, if

you don't vote then you don't make a difference and you don't have your

say, and that is the way it is. That is not true. Actually you can make a

proactive choice not to vote, and that can be a principle, and that in

itself can make a difference. But it doesn't give USA. It gives them a

say that he cannot be bothered with any of them. But within those range,

you can tell me what you think yourself, but if you would write

down that card, either not people who perhaps the catcher 's interest?

Whether Greens, People Before Profit, whoever, if you look, you

can find your best choice. I can post a post on Facebook and get

bigger and more attention than what these guys do, and they are getting

80 grand a year. They are not getting 80 grand a year. I think an

MLA salary is 49 grand a year. So you have nearly just doubled it,

you're exaggerating. The Jaguar. -- the guy here. I took a pay cut this

year to keep a permanent job, and I am a cleaner. I am taking pay cuts

and caring for my mum, who I do not get a single penny for looking after

from anybody. What is your message? I voted this year. I wish I didn't.

Who did you vote for? Seven people. But the DUP. Why? Because he was the

only one in west Belfast. No other choice. We all know Sinn Fein. But

did you identify the DUP policies that impact on your life, or was it

because of what side of the fence they are on? Side of the fence.

Trying to keep Sinn Fein out, basically. So you voted DUP to keep

Sinn Fein out. That is the kind of politics we are saddled with, and

the kind of politics that feeds dissident militants. How does it

feed dissidents? If you see the whole lot of them are not good, and

they say, Sinn Fein said it would make a difference, and then the guy

making no difference, they think the only way to do it is with violence.

Anybody who does not vote as Rob themselves of the opportunity to

criticise politicians. Eamon McCann? I think there are many people who

chose not to vote and it was a positive choice, as your

correspondent has said. A considerable section of the

population think that they are all the same and nothing will change. In

that situation, if you have a broad swathe of people, many young people,

who have no hope the future, and are totally disillusioned with the

conventional political system, then you are going to have people moving

to organisations like the IRA. I would say, as you would expect me to

say, if you want to support somebody else, perhaps you should support

another outlet for your anger against the futility of the

conventional political process, and in my view of course, that would be

People Before Profit. If you don't vote for an organisation, we can

same during the election campaign, we are neither Orange and are green,

but we are up for the last phrase is very important. -- we are neither

orange nor green. We wanted to relate to young people with no hope

for the future. We did not do it to the extent we want to do, -- we

wanted to do. Ryan Paul, you are a first-time voter. Do you think you

have made a difference? I think it is hard for an individual soldiers

need to make a difference. I not had anything to complain about. This is

my first time voting. -- an individual such as myself to make a

difference. I do not have the benefit of hindsight. For e-voting

was not as obligated as this party is aligned with this and this party

is aligned with that and I am unhappy with this issue because of

historical fact and what not. Who did you vote for a? I voted for

Greens. You are welcome. APPLAUSE

For me personally it aligned with my liberal views. Alliance were second.

I think in relation to your question, I cannot make a difference

may all, but it is up to the other 46%. 54% of us voted. I know I'm

going to get a lot of answers here, but my question is why doesn't

everybody to know to vote to make an impact? Do you think voting should

be compulsory? I definitely do. It has got to the point where you

almost have a minority deciding for the majority. At least everybody

would have a say, even if they just wanted to write something rude on

the ballot paper. Do you think it would change the results? If you

look at those really are, with compulsory voting, 97% turnout in

every election. Just wait and we will get a microphone to you. Go

ahead. I think the issue is with the smaller parties, there is not enough

easily accessible information on what they stand for. I didn't vote.

I have always been an active voter. -- I did vote. But a lot of my

friends in the clear community art unemployed, feel maligned. I voted

for the Greens and Alliance, and I know I aligned with their parties,

but it is simply on two issues, same-sex marriage and abortion.

Trying to find other issues on what they stand for and what they plan on

changing in Government, it is impossible. I tried to get some

answers out of them. I am also talking about the bigger parties.

There is not enough information. Most parties will publish their

manifestos on their websites. Go ahead. I just wanted to ask about

making it compulsory to vote. Surely if you made it compulsory, the

results of the vote will not be substantial, because it will change

will stop if I am made to vote, I may just vote for the hell of it,

and what we will that leave the country? Thank you. We are out of

time. Please thank our panel. APPLAUSE

More than 90,000 people are expected to attend by the end of the week.

We thought it was time the biggest show in the country headed

to the country to see what all the fuss was about.

I have no idea around this place. You have two walk around and there

are farmers. Can you think of anything worse than farmers and

contractors and boys like this year? I bet you are a farmer. How did I

guess you were a farmer? HIP HOP MUSIC PLAYS. We are trying

to find a cow. I hate this. How are you doing? I'm not allowed any. I

don't want to go in. It is supposed to be, isn't this wonderful and it

is rotten. The smell is rotten. I don't like animals. I don't like

cows. If it goes any further, I am not going to like anything about it.

The last time I was down on a farm, and we will actually show you some

of it now, it was one of the most notorious things I have done and it

was a long time ago. The smell in itself made me book. -- baulk. I was

baulking all over the place. I could possibly be in a very bad place. Do

you want to have a go? Not particularly, but in the spirit of

the Balmoral show. I think a couple of women in the BBC have hairy legs.

This is exactly why I can't stand this place! Here comes the smell.

Wonderful day out at the Balmoral show. I hate this. Think that is

funny, didn't you? Goats and pigs. What are you doing? Why are you

putting talcum powder on hit? They can look cleaner. He doesn't like

it. No, no, no, no. Then I just say that I was completely stitched up

there, right? Because those two ice creams, I did not eat and against

this dirty wee rot bag of a team have edited that is if I walked off

with two ice creams. I did not. Three, is that what you said is

there? Which one of you fat boys said three? You will be removed

later, son. And also, of course, there was a young Vincent up with me

and he left my collar. One caller was out and one was in.

Unbelievable. My next act... in the United States and is just

back from another stint These days, she now calls

Northern Ireland home and was one of the stars of the Proms

in the Park here two years ago. Singing When I Was Queen,

it's Dana Masters! MUSIC: When I Was Queen by Dana

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was not missing. # his hands were strong, his hands were steady, when

I was Queen. # my crown grew heavy, Michael did not carry the weight. #

my sorrow, the pain of all I lost. # they tore microbes and they stole my

home, but I want the down for long. # when I was Queen. # your heart had

everything in me. # you were fears and you were free. # when I was

Queen. # when I was Queen. # people were so afraid of our

court. # when I was Queen. # but my crown grew heavy, my throne did not

carry the weight of my sorrows and pain of all I lost. # they toured

microbes and they stole my home but I want the down for long. # be

released. # chains go and be released.

# my crown grew heavy, my throne could not carry the weight of my

sorrow and pain of all I lost. # they tore my robes and they stole my

home, but I won't be down for long. # my crown grew heavy, might the

road could not carry the weight of my sorrow and the pain of all our

last. # they tore my robes and they stole my home, but I won't be down

for long. OK. Beautiful, beautiful stuff.

There was a technical issue at the top of the programme tonight. There

was nearly a technical issue with my trousers tonight because what

actually happened, maybe you are glad you missed it. What actually

happened was in the audience all know this. I don't think people at

home actually solve as this evening, but I came into the studio in a very

different way tonight. Have a look. Watch out!

APPLAUSE Hello, everybody. Well come along to

a brand-new series of Nolan Live. If you are wondering why we came in

like this, just wait until you see the end of the show. I am telling

you, you will never have seen the like of it in your life. It is going

to be an astonishing. APPLAUSE

Is all I am a fine specimen, aren't I? I promise you, just wait for a

feud minutes and you are going to see something quite unbelievable in

my view. What changing rooms

and public toilets should And the debate is bound

to grow here too. When it comes to transgender rights,

is it all down to individual choice It's an issue that even

President Barack Obama was speaking You should feel encouraged just by

virtue of the fact that I think social attitudes on this issue have

changed faster than I have seen on any other issue. It doesn't feel

fast enough for you or for those who are impacted and that is good. You

shouldn't feel satisfied. You should keep pushing.

So what do people think on this issue here?

Vinny has been hitting the streets in Belfast to find out.

Do you think people should be able to self identify as either male or

female depending on how they feel? Yes. Why? Because it is about

equality. I think it is up there unconscious, isn't it Mushy what if

I said I will -- what if I said I identified as a five foot Chinese

lady? That's fine. That's who you are. If somebody seriously

identifies as something I think they should be allowed to be really want

to be. When it comes to toilets, which ones should they be able to

use? Anyone. I'm afraid that is a bit dangerous. If they feel they are

a male or female, let them go to the toilet. If you are a male, you are a

male. It depends what you are down below. You should just go to the

bathroom you're supposed to go to, like. I do think I would like them

in the bathroom with me. What if it is your girlfriend or your children

and there? And you have me going up there and saying I am a female. They

will wonder what I am doing there. Big issue there.

Joining me to discuss this is Ella Whelan,

assistant editor of Spiked Online, John O'Doherty, director of LGBT

support group the Rainbow Project, Ellen Murray.

I think most people like me are sick of talking about toilets and where

people can go to the toilet because it seems like such a nonissue and it

is an issue that I think has been made so huge by... So what should a

transgender person do? They should go where they want. Wherever they

feel like going to. I think most people would accommodate that. And

where does that stop? So, OK, they can choose to go into whatever

toilet they choose to go into. Whether society may view them as a

man or a woman is how they self identified. So if I take that to an

extreme. There is a naked woman that walks into communal showers full of

men. And the woman says, why are you questioning me? I am a man. And now

she is standing there, or he is standing there, actually, if I am

going to be respectful, and he has a joiner -- he has female genitals and

he says do not question me, I am a man. I think the difference is that

people should be allowed to question each other and people should be

allowed a personal interactions. Where I see the problem is where the

state and the authorities get involved and that's where you have a

lobbying path that certain people can't go somewhere or that certain

people say something that somebody did not say that they do not believe

they are a man. People should be free to have these personal

interactions that could be unpleasant. So there are no

boundaries in communal areas? It should be worked out by the people

in that situation. Presumably, there would be settings such as communal

showers. Some people would say hold on a minute. And you would have to

deal with that. Unless it becomes violent, in which case... But it is

people's personal interactions. There is no need for the state

getting involved in that public sphere, which is wrong. Zach

Freeman, give us a sense of what is happening in the US from your

perspective? At least here in Washington state, our human rights

commission passed a regulation that essentially made it unlawful for

people to ask unwelcome questions in the sort of facilities. Like many

Americans, we are not really as concerned about transgender people

using the bathroom, I think, with this rule that was made, they kind

of lumped batter and then with locker rooms and spa facilities and

where people have reasonable expectation for a high-level

privacy. Am I right in saying the plan in

North Carolina is to force people to use the facilities of the changing

room of their birth? I can speak to North Carolina's lot. I can tell you

that Washington's is the inverse of that. North Carolina made a decision

to basically say that businesses could not make policies, and

Washington's actually said that businesses had to allow people in

without any standard for entry. And I are not allowed to ask question

around it, is that correct? Correct. In Washington you are not allowed to

ask unwelcome question, is how it was worded. So this idea as it was

brutal couple more visible, and a good man -- the idea of a naked

person with female genitalia -- with male genitalia walking into female

showers and saying they are women, no question can be asked about that?

In Washington that is correct. This has happened in communal showers and

a locker rooms where women have said that a man or a person with male

genitalia was there watching them and there was nothing they could do

about it. Would you like to speak? Go ahead. Hello. I am from the

transgender community myself. This law has been brought up as an excuse

to discriminate against us. They are saying that men could go in wearing

a dress to commit sex offences, but the last time I checked, offenders

of no matter what crime it was would be dealt with by the law. And you

want to speak, go ahead. Does anybody may be think that men are

being discriminated against us as much as transgender people by being

branded rapists? I think there is a distortion here of the reality and

how this is being experience. We should not be challenging people on

the basis of their gender identity for using facilities. We should

challenge people on their hit her, and if their behaviour is an

appropriate, that should be challenged. -- challenge people on

their behaviour. Most trials people will not want to use communal

facilities and will receive unisex facilities being provided. Here in

Northern Ireland some places have had unisex facilities for 15 years

without any issues being raised. So that would be needed in every public

facility? Not necessarily every public facility, but I don't know

about anybody else, but I would prefer to use a shower that nobody

else is using. So where that service can be provided, I think it should

be provided. I don't know why people think -- what people think trans

people are getting up to an toilet, or why they would want to access

these trailers for some obscure reason. We should be challenging

people on their behaviour, and if it is inappropriate, they should be

challenged, but not on how they look. So self identification isn't

individual -- is an individual human rights? Yes, on the basis of gender.

So I mean no offence by this, but if I was the city and say, I am self

identifying -- to sit here and say I am self identifying as ten stone,

six foot five black man, is that OK for me to do that? I think a lot of

people would ask if you have issues with your body and bodiless morphia

if you're self representing yourself as being different than you are. But

if you're allowed to self identify, where does that stop? What would be

the result or the impact of that? The result would be that I am

clearly not black or ten stone. But if you look at these bitter fix of

gender. -- the specifics of gender... I don't think this is

funny, by the way. I think it is an important issue. There is a huge

amount of evidence from a scientific perspective showing that people

experience gender beyond the binary. The logical conclusion of the

identifying as female is not somebody else identifying as a

different height or a different weight. It is not the same thing.

The rights and experiences of trans people have been documented for many

years, since time began, probably. And we have been using the same

bathrooms and the same showers as all of you in the studio for a very

long time. The alloy North Carolina is based on literally zero cases.

This is not to you based law or policy. Cubase law and policy that

restricts access to things on behaviour, and we already have laws

that cover public order and assault offences. But that has already told

us that in America, people know I'm not even able to ask a question

around someone's identity. He says it is against the law. It doesn't

reflect reality, and it does not reflect the benefits higher issue

for the trans people who find improved access. I just want to know

how they are going to enforce this year. We'll be doing gender checks,

for example? If I decided I wanted to be Stephanie, how would you tell

I was Stephen before? This is what they are doing in North Carolina. We

now have men who identify as men walking into women's bathrooms and

trailing women out. That is already happening. Self identification is an

individual choice, and no person has a right to force other people to

descend to the yard. And the lady here, go ahead. -- to defend

themselves. I agree that it is very much a nonissue, in terms of why is

anybody even bothering? A huge issue in the States at the moment. It is

mainly because of the Christian right, and the family oriented,

crazy about sex and what is going on in people's bedrooms and

bathrooms... That, I think she might be talking about you obsessed with

what happens in people's bedrooms? This is not a religious issue, but

an issue of safety and privacy. If you don't think it is a religious

issue, that is not true. It is about the religious right wanting to make

sure that the control what people do with their private lives. The people

in Washington really just want to see the rule from the Washington

Human Rights Commission repealed. Nobody is out here intentionally to

discriminate. The reality is there is probably a way we can find a

solution that would work for everybody, but this just is not it.

Transgender people have been using bathrooms for decades and nobody

knew. That is not what is of concern to people in our state for the bus

majority. So what is of concern? It is that people would use that rule

to identify and gain access to places they should not be just

because they say they feel like a woman. There is no standard by which

to know if that person is. There is a history of the classing... Gay

people where once per verse because they were different. We are straying

dangerously into that area. The solution is that transgender people,

in whatever way you identify, it is not that mad to say that I want to

look like or be a woman. People have been doing it for years. But the

thing is, and this is where the transgender and LGBT community have

do pull themselves up, is because they have been for laws and policies

that say that people cannot criticise our question, and that is

where the tension lives. You are non-binary. I presume that means you

are not identifying either as a man or a woman. Yes, I identify as

neither male nor the mill but something separate. So what is that

separate? If you want to put a word on it is, third gender. It is not a

word I like to use because it is appropriating from another culture,

but you could say that. It is neither male nor female. And it does

that mean that some days you feel you are male and other days the

mill? No, that is different. I am non-binary, not gender fluid. I do

not feel either like a man or a woman but something separate. You

might not feel like it, but do you not having your head that you must

be one or the other, because that is what human beings are? No, I never

have. You have intersects. You have men, women and intersex. What is

intersex? Intersex is someone with undefined chromosomes and the

hormones, is not necessarily male or female, their genitalia at birth may

not be necessarily defined. They have always existed. So non-Maori

people have always existed as well. We are just invisible. -- non-binary

people. So what do you write on documents when the question is male

or the mill? I put an extra box. -- the question is male or female. What

about online forms? I refuse to fill them in, I might. Did you group up

as a boy or a girl? I grew up female. I was identified as female

first, but I never identified as the mill. -- I was defined at birth as

the mill based on the fact that I had a vagina. -- as female. I hope

it is OK to say that word. You can say vagina on the BBC! We have said

worse. A lot of transgender people always felt different, but in the

way they felt more like boys were more like girls. I always just felt

different. What does it say on your passport? I am currently challenging

them to put an X marker on my Irish passport, and I want to do the same

on the British one. Does anyone have an issue with people identifying as

neither man nor a woman who would like speak tonight? I would have no

problems with that. What about a hermaphrodite who has not gone to

the process of choosing one genitalia or another or who does not

want to? The correct term is intersex, not hermaphrodite. The

issues for intersex are specific and have not been touched on here is is

of a quick stop what I worry about is the idea that people will abuse

this to get access to spaces. That means that people who are not

perceived as their agenda will not get access, and some people who

transitioned later life will always be identified as transgender. Most

transgender people in this country, they know their place. They use the

disabled toilet. If you are pre-op, you use the disabled toilet. No

self-respecting transgender person is going to go into a different role

it for some sort of sexual thrall. We are not about that. It is about

our gender, not our sexuality. APPLAUSE

Let's move on. Right, it's the North West 200 this

weekend, but what you are about to see now is a motorbike show

with a difference. I am joined by Jamie Squibb from

Nitro Circus. This is interesting, because what you're about to do here

is astonishing. You have been doing this then she were a child, riding

bikes. -- since you were a child. Yes. Do

not try what you are about to see at all men anyway. You had been injured

the years. Yes, fairly long list of injuries. Broken ankles, the, legs,

shoulders. A long list. And how do you go from riding a bike in an

ordinary way to this crazy stuff? I think you just have a desire to do

the crazy stuff. I started riding bikes at section is old, so I have

just progressed and progress for the last 30 years. -- at six years old.

Are you mad? I don't think were mad, I think we are just... Maybe a

little bit mad. And you are coming to Belfast for a gig. We will be at

Windsor Park on the 10th of June. We will also be in court and Dublin the

same weekend. What we are going to do now, we have the ramps up out the

back. This is just a sample of what Nitro Circus life is. This is just

three guys. On the life sure we have 12 freestyle guys, 20 or 30

skateboarders, the works. I want to see this. This is absolutely amazing

stuff. Have a look. I am just going to get my head

warmed up. Commentating at the same time is pretty difficult. We go.

There are three of us here today. This is just a sample of what you

can see at Nitro Circus live on the 10th of June. Pushing my body up

above the front. You think this is mad, just look at this! We are going

to get all three bikes in the air at the same time. So let's go. All

three guys. The year we go. This is what we call a train.

APPLAUSE We are going to have 12 riders in

the air at the same time upside down. It is completely crazy. Here

we go. Using the throttle. Were going to get another trick done now.

There we go. Were going to come up for our final jump now. Just going

to make some adjustments on the Boris. -- on the bars. Thank you so

much for watching tonight. We will see you on the radio tomorrow

morning. Good night. OK, and I think that is going to be asked about

done. APPLAUSE