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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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We're live in Edinburgh with three days to go until the UK votes

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in a referendum over whether it wants to be in -

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Campaigning has resumed after the death of Jo Cox. Today Parliament

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was recalled. She spoke truth to power. Nigel Farage is the leader of

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Ukip and a significant figure in the Leave campaign. He has criticised

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Prime Minister David Cameron for politicising the death of Jo Cox.

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They are using these faults circumstances to say that the

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motives of this deranged individual are similar to that of perhaps half

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the country who want to leave the EU.

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We'll look at what a vote to leave would mean in Scotland -

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especially if the majority of people here want to remain.

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We will also be live in Washington, DC because Donald Trump has sacked

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his campaign manager. Welcome to Outside Source

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live from Edinburgh. We are towards the end of a blast of

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the summer 's day that there is still light because this is one of

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the longest days of the year and in the next hour we will be

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concentrating on three of the nations inside the UK. Northern

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Ireland, Wales, and in particular Scotland. We have highlighted the

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centre of Edinburgh. That's where I am talking to you from. All day long

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the street has been bustling with tourists and locals going about

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their work. Most of the Judas will not be voting in the referendum but

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most people who call Edinburgh home certainly will be. -- most of the

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tourists will not be voting in the referendum.

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To put this in the context of the UK the Scottish electorate makes up 8%

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of the UK electorate. So which way it goes will have an impact on the

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outcome. But it could be about more than just numbers. Let us speak now

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with a correspondent from The Times newspaper. For the outside world is

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looking in, most people today have not mentioned it. The issue is

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twofold. We had elections for the devolved Government recently which

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took up a lot of attention. And we had the Scottish Independence

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Referendum two years ago and that hangs over everything in Scotland

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and preoccupies people to the extent that the EU referendum has not done.

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What is driving how people vote? There is a strong message from

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Nicola Sturgeon to vote to remain in the EU and she has the biggest

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proportion of supporters in Scotland so that is driving at Remain vote.

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We will be talking again later. Thank you.

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More on what is happening in a moment. We must talk about what has

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been happening in Westminster today because Parliament was recalled to

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pay tribute to Jo Cox who was killed on Thursday. She was a member of the

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Labour Party, the main opposition party. Its leader Jeremy Corbyn said

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her life had been spent serving and campaigning for others. Prime

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Minister said she was a loving determined and Progressive MP. Let

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us also see what Nigel Farage has been saying. He is the leader of the

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UK Independence Party, a significant voice in the Leave campaign, and he

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sees the Remain campaign has been implying that there was a link

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between the death of Jo Cox and how the Leave campaign has conducted

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itself. Here he is talking to the BBC. The Remain campaign are using

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these awful circumstances to dry to say that the motives of one deranged

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and dangerous individual was similar of half the country, perhaps more,

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we believe we should leave the EU. Who is saying that? Every single

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one. The Prime Minister, the Chancellor, all talking about the

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politics of hate. There is a clear implication that somehow a bad

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atmosphere has been whipped up. One of the stories on the referendum

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today has been the former chairman of the Conservative Party announcing

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that she was no longer going to be supporting the Leave campaign and

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that in part that was related to the tone of the Leave campaign. And this

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post are played into that decision. It is a Ukip poster released by

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Nigel Farage which sparked huge controversy in the UK.

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Those of us at the outset with that clear, moderate,

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Brexit have over time been taken over by a message which is divisive,

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inward looking, xenophobic and unfortunately it is creating deep

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Let us speak to a couple of younger voters who we have been speaking to

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during the day. Thank you for being with us. What do you make of this

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discussion around the tone of the campaign, both campaigns? With Nigel

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Farage's poster, as Michael Gove said, it's made me sick to my

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stomach. In terms of Grassroots Out, that has been disgusting, but

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thought Leave has been more positive, we have not been jumping

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on the death of Jo Cox, which a lot of the Remain campaign have been. I

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think Leave have been extremely negative in their campaign. Long

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before producing posters they have been suggesting that millions of

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Turkish people will come across here. In respect of if that is the

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case or not quite as big attempting to demonise hundreds of thousands of

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people that have moved. That is not to say that Remain has not been

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negative but the Remain campaign has been positive, addressing social

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justice issues such as climate change. Anybody that says you have

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made a positive campaign, with the scaremongering of David Cameron and

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George Osborne saying what is going to occur, that families would spot,

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that households would evaporate, that is what is wrong with politics

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now. There are problems with the Leave campaign. We have had certain

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negative quotes but it is actually a warning that Turkey could come. It

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is informing the British people but that is a possibility. But that is

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lies. That is not going to happen. The myth has been dispelled and yet

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the Leave campaign. In 2013 there was a memo leaked at the British

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Embassy which said it was their policy. Let me ask you both. You are

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both interested in getting votes for your site. Do you accept that being

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negative often delivers faults in a way that being positive buzz not? It

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might do. It certainly did for Better Together. But that is not the

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way to campaign. Positive campaigning is the way forward.

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Bernie Sanders is a good example of that. I am making a positive case

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for staying in the European Union. Peace and prosperity across the

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entire continent of Europe and also making sure that we have

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opportunities. I worry about young people missing out on opportunities

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to work and study and live abroad. Those opportunities could be taken

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away and made more competent at. Thank you for talking to us. We will

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talk again later with a larger group. Now we will talk to a

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correspondent from Washington because Donald Trump has sacked his

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campaign manager. Two months ago he was charged with battery. That was

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related to grabbing a female porter. A senior adviser to Donald Trump has

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tweeted: Let us get another analysis from our correspondent in

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Washington. How do we understand what has

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happened here? On the one hand it is a shift from

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one kind of campaign to another kind of campaign. The campaign manager

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was the right man for the primaries. He was sharp elbowed anti-pools

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Donald Trump from being an outsider to the presidential candidate. He

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lied on the strategy of letting Donald Trump be himself, let his

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personality big thing that would draw the crowds and dominate the

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media. It was a lean, mean team. Now you are shifting to a general

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election. You are up against a well oiled machine. You have to bring a

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party behind you, get donors behind you. A different approach was

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needed. On the one hand that is the shift. The other thing is, by all

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accounts, the previous manager was quite aggressive in many ways, and

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there was an internal power struggle going on within the campaign after

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Donald Trump brought in some other advisers to negotiate this shift.

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That was creating a lot of dysfunction in the campaign which

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was distressing Republican officials and that seems as if Donald Trump

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finally made the decision to let his loyal campaign manager goal. Thank

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you. More analysis on that should you want it.

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In a few minutes we will go back to United States, this time to focus on

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Orlando, because the FBI has been telling us about some of the

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conversations it had with the man who carried out the nightclub

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killings. There was a bomb in the city centre.

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Army bomb experts were examining a suspect van when there was a huge

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explosion. The population registration act has

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been abolished, which classified each citizen according to race.

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Germany's parliament has voted to move the seat of Government to their

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loan. The decision was greeted with shock in Bonn. The focus of

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attention today was on the first female cosmonaut. It is a wonderful

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achievement. We are on the Royal Mile in

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Edinburgh for today's Outside Source. We will be focusing on the

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EU referendum in the UK. We are in Edinburgh today, London tomorrow,

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Tunbridge Wells on weight and stay, Thursday everyone is voting, Friday

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we will be live from Westminster. The lead story in the BBC newsroom

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at the moment is that Donald Trump has sacked his campaign manager. It

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is seen as a shift towards a bigger operation, getting him ready for a

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general election. The United Nations says the number

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of people around the world displaced by conflict is now

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more than 65 million - It's being caused by conflict in

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places like Syria and Afghanistan. There's a potential

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new lead in the search Campaigners have released

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photographs of personal belongings which have washed up

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on a beach in Madagascar. Relatives are being asked to see

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if they recognise the items. Just to give you an idea of how

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Scots may be thinking of voting let us look at one survey. 51% of people

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saying they want to stay in the EU, 21% staying out and the rest saying

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they are not sure. Surveys across the UK are much closer. Since last

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year's general election in the UK we take all opinion polls with a pinch

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of salt. One of the interesting factors in Scotland is the idea that

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there may be a second referendum on Scottish independence. Nicola

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Sturgeon of the Scottish National Party, First Minister in Scotland

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has this to say. That is counterintuitive because

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some people think if there is a Brexit then Scotland, the majority

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of Scots have voted to remain, it would trigger a referendum. This

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requires context. We have got this report.

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It had looked as though Scotland's political landscape had been fixed

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for the foreseeable future when less than two years ago its people

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rejected independence by a comfortable margin of 10%.

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The current referendum on EU membership

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has barely caused the Scottish to break stride or stir their

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But could the result of the EU vote change all that?

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We are very clear we want both Scotland and

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the rest of the UK to remain in the European Union.

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But in the scenario that the rest of the UK

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wanted to leave and Scotland wanted to remain that would cause a

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constitutional issue that would be of serious

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concern and we would have

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to think about the consequences of that.

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The specific consequence that

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is being threatened as a second referendum.

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Pro-union politicians insist the chance for independence has

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The Scottish people of course knew that there would be an

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EU referendum at that point when they were voting.

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If they were really that bothered they might have voted

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But even if there were surging demand

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for a second referendum, and that is far from certain,

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Edinburgh would need approval to hold one from London,

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and for Brussels to make clear it would accept an independent

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Ultimately though the decision will be a political one.

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The Scottish National Party won't call

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another referendum unless they are absolutely sure of winning it

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but here we enter the realm of uncertainty as no one can say

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for sure the effect of Brexit on

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Scottish voters as it's never happened before,

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outcome of the vote in a few days' time of course, we may never know.

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I joined by the Scottish correspondent for The Times. It can

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feel confusing trying to understand the position the SNP on this issue,

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Europe, then you also consider, it has an ambition to get a second

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referendum. The position of the First Minister has changed

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throughout the course of this campaign. The reason she is having

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to say what she said earlier that people who support independence

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should support Remain is that her manifesto suggests something

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different. She seems to say in that manifesto, she did say, if there was

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a material change in circumstances in the constitution such as Scotland

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voting to remain in the EU but being dragged out against its will, that

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could trigger a second Independence Referendum. You can see by her

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supporters and supporters of independence are confused and she

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has had to clarify. It is all about the timing. They do not want to call

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a referendum if they are not certainly can win. They do not. We

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have talked about triggers for independence referendums. There is

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one trigger and it is a succession of service coming out strongly in

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favour of Scots backing independence, that is the only time

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the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon will call a second Independence

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Referendum. Two years ago the economy and how Scotland would fear

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was one of the big issues that drove the debate around Independence

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Referendum, is it the same note, is that one of the key drivers? Oil

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prices are down. Three of the main things that we talked about in 2014

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were the economy and the price of oil and who will Scotland would fear

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of going it alone. The second was a guarantee of EU membership for

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Scotland. The third was the currency which Scotland with use, would it

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retain the pound, would it introduced the usual, would it have

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its own currency? All of those three factors are more completed than they

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were two years ago. The oil prices dropped. Public sector finances are

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not looking as good as they were in 2014. The issue of EU membership

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obviously because of the referendum on Thursday, what would that mean

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for Scotland as a continuing state or otherwise? And also the currency.

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If we are talking about a Scot and which was leaving the UK which is

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the EU, what currency do we use? I want to ask you about the tone. We

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have heard sharp exchanges between politicians based in Westminster,

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the English politicians, but in terms of the debate within

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Scotland's political sphere has been more civil? In this case it has

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been. There is a lot more support for Remain up in Scotland. It is

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less divided. There is less the tree. It has been better. However I

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would suggest we are still suffering at Hanover from 2014.

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-- hangover from 2014. It is beyond dispute that more

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business leaders have come out in favour of staying in the European

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Union that have come out in support of leading and that has continued

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today. Sir Richard Branson has said: We have also heard from the chairman

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of the English Premier League who sees:

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That as ever there are two views on any issue. When it comes to this EU

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referendum campaign this if those are areas of debate one

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thing we can be certain of is that the pound is as strong as it has

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been for years. Let us bring in our correspondent from New York. Can we

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say this is connected to how the campaign is going? Absolutely. If

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you look at the markets, even on this side of the Atlantic we are

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seeing a lot of volatility. That volatility has to do with the

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changing direction of the opinion polls. Last week we saw that the

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opinion polls showed the possibility of a Brexit actually happening. We

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saw that many investors were fleeing to what we call safety, goals,

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Government bonds. This week, perhaps Brexit may not happen if you look at

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the opinion walls and as a result the markets in the United States

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have just closed and we concede that the markets have shot reading some

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of the losses that we saw at the end of last week. And the pound is

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strengthening and the dollar is strengthening. I sense that perhaps

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on Thursday we may see an outcome that is more favourable to markets

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and business leaders. Thank you. If you are just joining me this is

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Outside Source. We have left the warmth of the BBC newsroom and we

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have come out into what I would not describe as a balmy summers evening,

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there is a brisk wind, but it has been a beautiful day. We are talking

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about the EU referendum campaign. The voters on Thursday. We have

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reported already from Washington and New York. Let us go back to the

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United States and talk about what the FBI has been saying with

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relation to that attack on the nightclub in Orlando. 49 people lost

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their lives on June 12. They all died because of the actions of one

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man, Omar Mateen. The FBI have been telling as about the DRC 's that

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Omar Mateen maintained inside that nightclub and the fact that he was

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talking to the police during those three hours.

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As Orlando continues to come together in its grief more

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information is coming to light about the horrific events that led to so

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much loss of life. The night of the attack, it is now

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known police were negotiating for nearly 30 minutes with Omar Mateen.

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The FBI has released partial transcripts of those calls. Omar

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Mateen identifies himself as an Islamic soldier saying America must

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stop bombing Serbia. At one point he threatens to detonate explosives in

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a vehicle outside the club. -- stop bombing Syria.

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He did so in a chilling and deliberate manner. The FBI says it

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is still looking into the motives of the killer, issues surrounding his

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mental health, his own sexual orientation, and the reason which he

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may have been radicalised. -- the ways in which he may have been

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radicalised. In your all 2016, an extraordinary

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second-half between Wales and Russia. 3- 02 wheels. And no score

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between England and Slovakia. --

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