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Hello, I'm Philippa Thomas, this is Outside Source. President Trump has

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defended his shock decision to fire the FBI director James Comey. He

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wasn't doing a good job, very simply, he was not doing a good job.

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Outraged Democrats say there must now be an independent investigation

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into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Nothing less is at stake

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than the American people's faith in our criminal justice system and the

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integrity of the executive branch of our government. The sacking also

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surprised the Russian Foreign Minister who met Donald Trump today

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at the White House. Was he fired? Yes. You're kidding, you're kidding!

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Syria was top of their agenda. We'll look at what came out of that

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meeting. Turkey slams and American plan to armed Kurdish fighters

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there. President Erdogan calls for the decision to be immediately

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reversed. We'll speak to BBC Turkish about that and we have stories from

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France, the Netherlands and the UK. All coming up an outside source.

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Hello and welcome to Outside Source. Donald Trump needs a new FBI

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director after his sudden sacking of James Comey as head of America's

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domestic intelligence agency. Let's show you the letter he sent to Mr

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Comey. You can see his signature. Its brief and brutal. This is what

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Mr Trump says. You're not able to effectively lead the beer row. He

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goes on to say it's essential we find new leadership in the FBI that

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restores public trust and confidence. Let's show you how the

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White House has been defending this decision that sent shock waves

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around Washington and beyond. First Donald Trump himself and in the last

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couple of hours his official spokeswoman. Why did you fire

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director Comey? Because he wasn't doing a good job, very simple, he

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wasn't doing a good job. Did it affect your meeting with the

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Russians today? Will the new FBI director be in charge of the Russian

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investigation? Thank you everybody. The basic atrocities and

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circumventing the chain of command in the Department of Justice. Any

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person of legal mind and authority knows what a big deal that is. So

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why did Mr Trump do it? The White House has linked the sacking to Mr

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Comey's treatment of Hillary Clinton back when the FBI was investigating

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her e-mail use as Secretary of State. Many Democrats think it's

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about something else. Anger at the current FBI inquiry into alleged

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links between the Trump campaign and Russia. This is the view of the

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leading Democratic senator, Chuck Schumer. I have said from the get go

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I think a special prosecutor is the way to go, but now with what's

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happened it is the only way to go, only way to go, to restore the

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American people's faith. Are people going to suspect cover-up?

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Absolutely. If an independent special prosecutor is appointment

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there still can be some faith we can get to the bottom of this. If not,

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everyone will suspect cover-up. Chuck Schumer isn't the only senator

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urging the appointment of an independent special prosecutor to

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delve into any Trump- Kremlin connections. Other Democratic

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politicians are also piling on, like Senator Elizabeth Warren, a possible

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presidential contender. She says we need a real independent prosecutor

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who Donald Trump can't fire. Jeff Sessions can't intimidate, and

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Congress can't muzzle. Another Democrat, Richard Blumenthal, the

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firing of Comey come from ices the investigation of White House ties to

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the Russians. No doubt a special prosecutor is necessary. It means

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the man for you to watch now is this man, the deputy US Attorney General,

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Rod Rosenstein. Recent watching, not only he write the argument for

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removing Mr Comey, he's involved in finding a replacement, and he's the

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only person with the power to appoint a special prosecutor. Let's

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go to Washington and correspondent Anthony Zurcher. On this question of

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whether it is a cover-up, it depends whether there is collusion to be

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found between the Russians and the Trump campaign. Exactly. And whether

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the Trump Administration had any indications of where that

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investigation was headed. If there is any evidence the reason they

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fired Comey was because he was getting too close to something, it

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would be a serious matter and I think you would hear Republicans and

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Democrats raise uproar about it. Right now, the Trump Administration

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says this all goes back to the campaign in 2016. Comey's handling

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of the Hillary Clinton investigation, her e-mail servers. I

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don't think a lot of Democrats are buying that right now, they think

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it's much more likely it has to do with what is being brought out right

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now. The Russian investigations. I reckon we're hearing from everybody

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except James Comey. When is it likely to change? He's been invited

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to testify next week before a closed Senate committee. It wouldn't be a

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public testimony. There hasn't been word on whether he'll show up or

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not. He was supposed to testify tomorrow, but since he's been

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sacked, it'll be the acting FBI director filling in for him. McCabe.

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He hasn't made any public comment. We've heard some rumours and things,

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the press defending his actions, saying he asked the Trump

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Administration for more money to investigate the Russian ties. It's

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been hinted that being a reason why he was fired. All of that is

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floating around in the atmosphere and nothing hard directly from

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Comey. Stay with us, we want to add what may matter most to President

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Trump is whether top Republicans back his decision to sack the FBI

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director. Many do, among them Senator Lindsay Graham, an

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independent minded politician who has repeatedly accused Russia of

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involvement in the US presidential election. We need new leadership of

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the FBI. It's kind of what we're wondering about firing a guy when

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both parties wanted him removed. Let me ask you this, did Russia have a

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part to play in President Trump's decision, in your view? But

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according to the letter but let me tell you about Russia: Russia

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interfered in our election, I want to punish Russia. I'm 100% convinced

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they interfered in trying to undermine the 2016 election, that it

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was Russia intelligence services that hack into the DNC and Podesta,

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that they didn't change the outcome but created a lot of discord. I want

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to punish Russia. I have yet to see evidence of collusion between the

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Trump campaign and the Russians, but we need to keep looking until we can

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find out one way or the other. Anthony, I suppose the next question

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is, who next to head the FBI? It'll tell us a lot about how independent

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are. Absolutely, that's what everyone is looking at now. There is

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concern certainly among Democrats that Donald Trump might name a

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partisan, someone closely tied to him. If that happens, the outcry

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this was an attempt to avoid a Russian investigation will reach

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deafening pitch. Some of the indication so far is Donald Trump is

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looking for people within the law enforcement community within the

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FBI. If that is the case, if it's someone both sides trust and both

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sides know, then I think maybe this will start to die down. There is a

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big question right now, we haven't heard any names floated. We await

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that. Thanks very much. At this point it's relevant to ask what

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Russia's reaction is to the sacking of the FBI chief. Let's see what we

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have a spokesman at the Kremlin. We heard from them that this is an

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internal affair of the United States, a sovereign decision by the

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US president, which has nothing to do, or should have nothing to do,

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with the Russian Federation. All this is happening as the Russian

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Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is in Washington. He said talks with the

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US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and President Trump himself. Here is

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Mr lava off's tongue in cheek reply when asked about the FBI director's

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sacking. But he fired? You are kidding, you are kidding! Yes, he

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was fired. Joking and distractions aside, Donald Trump and Sergey

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Lavrov have had deadly serious things to discuss, like Syria, where

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Moscow has set out its plans to establish safe zones, four. You can

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see the plans to de-escalates fighting. Mr lover is looking for US

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support for that proposal. Here is Sergey Lavrov speaking after his

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meeting with President Trump. TRANSLATION: We discussed Syria in

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great detail in the context of the ideas that have been put forward

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regarding the setting up of the escalation areas. We've got a common

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understanding regarding the fact that there should be a step that

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would contribute to the cessation of violence through the territory of

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Syria. Let's go to the US State Department where we can speak to

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Barbara Plett Usher in Washington. This Russian plan for new safe zones

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over Syria, are the Americans signing up to this, do we know? They

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are interested in the concept because both Mr Trump and Mr

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Tillerson have talked about zones of some kind. The Secretary of State

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has talked about stabilisation zones. Not much detail to it but

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what he has in mind in areas that could be secured, where refugees

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could return, this would create facts on the ground that would

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prevent Islamic State militants from setting up shop again. Sergey Lavrov

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said he got the idea, Moscow got the idea from speaking with Mr Trump and

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Mr Tillerson. And they wanted the US to have input. He said they talked

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about specific ways they could be jointly implemented. In terms of the

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Americans, they'd be much more circumspect about this particular

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proposal, they broadly welcomed anything that would lower the

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violence, set the stage for a political resolution. They've had

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reservations about the plan, not least because Iran is one of the

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guarantors for it, which makes them worried. Mr Trump called on the

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Russians to rein in Iran and Iranians militias after his meeting

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with Mr lover. They are sceptical a ceasefire could hold because it

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hasn't held until now. -- with Sergey Lavrov. The secretary of

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defence says he is studying the proposal closely but they need to

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know who would secure an patrol these areas, how this would all

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work. So much of the political drama in Washington revolves around the

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US- Russian relationship and the meetings today were pretty

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significant from that point of view. They were very good apparently,

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according to Mr Trump, that is how he referred to them. The protocol

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was interesting because the Foreign Minister visited the White House, he

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was at a meeting with the president in the Oval Office and that doesn't

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usually happen. Their President Putin did invite Mr Tillerson to the

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Kremlin, so it may have been a factor. You did get this image of

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comedy from the White House. Neither side have been at all holding back

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in terms of how they view the relations, they both admitted

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relations not good, are things are tense. Mr said today they were not

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encouraging. Though he again mostly blames the Obama administration for

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creating the circumstances because Mr Obama imposed sanctions after the

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Russians annexed Crimea and relations deteriorated from that

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point on. Mr lover of call this an ideological approach. -- Mr Lavrov

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called this. He seemed to feel the businesslike approach of Mr Trump

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help more promise for a pragmatic working relationship though the

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State Department said after the meeting he had with Mr Tillerson

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sanctions would not be lifted unless and until Russia reversed the

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reactions that triggered them. After weeks of fighting a Kurdish led

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militia has recaptured the strategically important Syrian town

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from the so-called Islamic State group. We draw you the news last

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night of the US decision to start arming Kurdish fighters in Syria. It

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got quite a reaction from the Turkish President Recep Tayyip

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Erdogan, who said, I hope very much this mistake will be reversed

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immediately. No room for doubt there. Who will be USB providing

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these weapons to? I asked BBC Turkish service. They are why PGE, a

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wing of the Turkish democratic union party, YPG claims to have 50,000

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fighters and controls the enclaves. In northern Syria. Along the Turkish

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border. They are also the backbone of Syrian democratic forces, who are

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ready to assault on Raqqa to take the city back from so-called Islamic

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State. Potentially significant players in the fight and taking the

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fight to so-called Islamic State. Why is Turkey so opposed to the

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Americans helping them? Turkey is furious with the latest decision.

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Ankara considers YPG as a terrorist organisation like PKK. Turkey has

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long asked the United States to stop its support for the YPG. However,

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the US makes a distinction between PKK and YPG. And doesn't consider

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YPG a terrorist organisation. The Washington Administration considers

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them a very useful ally against the fight in Syria. You have a real

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problem, Washington thinks the Kurdish fighters are an ally but

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they want to keep President Erdogan onside. The only you can feel from

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the Turkish leader, there could be a backlash. As we watched earlier,

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doing your report, Recep Tayyip Erdogan sharply criticised the US

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administration and calls Mr Trump's latest decision a mistake. Both

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leaders will meet on Monday, for the first time, as heads of state, and

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definitely discuss this issue. Certainly it's going to be top of

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the agenda. Is that meeting going ahead as far as we know? Yes, they

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can meet again during the Nato summit in Brussels. After all these

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developments we have been witnessing since the last 48 hours, this issue,

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the American support for the Kurds is going to be key. Stay with us and

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outside stores. A snub for Manuel Valls, the former French Prime

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Minister, as he's turned down by the movement President-elect Emmanuel

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Macron. We ask party spokesman wife. The family of 11-year-old who died

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yesterday after falling from a water ride at a theme park say their world

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has been torn apart. A safety investigation is underway at Drayton

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Manor in Staffordshire which was closed today and will remain so

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tomorrow. Our correspondent Simon Ward has been to the girls school in

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Leicester, which was also closed for the day. Special councillors were

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brought in to help the students. We know that she was on a school trip

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with this cool when she died at Drayton Manor yesterday. But today

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here in Leicester we had a written statement released by her family.

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They said yesterday our world was torn apart by the news that our

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daughter and sister had lost her life in tragic circumstances. She

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was a beautiful girl, they say, full of love and always smiling. Words

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cannot describe the pain and loss we feel, we will not see our beautiful

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little girl again. You're watching Outside Source from

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the BBC newsroom. President Trump has defended his decision to sack

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the head of the FBI. The White House said the president had been

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considering firing Mr Comey since taking office. Elsewhere around the

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BBC in Hong Kong, the organisers of the weakest pro-democracy march say

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their application to protest this year has been rejected. That is an

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BBC Chinese. Brazil's former President Lula has arrived at a

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courthouse to give testimony before the top anti-corruption judge, he

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says the trial is politically motivated and denies any wrongdoing.

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Among the most read on our website is the story Senator Larissa Waters

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has become the first politician to breast-feed in the Australian

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Parliament. This is embarrassing, the former

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French Prime Minister and socialist Manuel Valls has been turned down as

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parliamentary candidate for President-elect Emmanuel Macron's

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movement. This was him speaking confidently on Tuesday. TRANSLATION:

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The Socialist party is dead, behind us, not its history and values, but

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it has to move on. Times like this one must be capable of moving on,

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forget the bitterness and personal issues, there is something that

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interests me above everything else, France, the Republican success of

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this Parliament. I don't forget the fight against the far right will

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continue and everyone needs to be vigilant in the parliamentary

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elections. Speaking to the BBC, an adviser to President Macron said

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Manuel Valls didn't meet their criteria. We've already said we will

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not give in, we will not endorse his candidacy, because I come back to my

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point, we had some public criteria on the renewal and procedure.

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Created an independent commission. People looking at the candidates,

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the applications we receive, we received more than 14,000

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applications for more or less 300 seats. You can see that interview in

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full on hard talk on BBC News on Wednesday and Thursday this week.

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Let's get you to OS business. The company behind Snapchat has unveiled

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its first earnings since launching on the stock exchange in the United

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States. In the last few minutes it has recorded a loss of $2.2 billion

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in the first quarter of the year. We can go to Dave Lee and San

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Francisco's covering this. A loss was expected, why? A loss was

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expected because Snapchat's never made a profit. That wasn't

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surprising, the size of the loss, though, is staggering. $2.2 billion

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in the last three months, the previous three months since this

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year. The only had revenues of 150 million. That gap was enormous.

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Other worrying thing is for the company, they grew their user base

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5%, something particularly worrying for Snapchat or their investors.

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Facebook as we know is one of its main rivals and they've been doing

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everything they can to stop Snapchat from growing. Adding many of

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Snapchat's popular features to Instagram and Facebook. It seems the

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tactic is working, Snapchat has barely added any new users in the

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last three months and as a result their shares are down about 20%. In

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the US politicians, not least the president, want to talk about

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immigration, undocumented workers and border walls. The real concern

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of many businesses is they need more, not less migration.

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Businesses, particularly farming and tourism, want to hire seasonal staff

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to plant seeds for example and pick produce, at Samira Hussain has been

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finding out in Chester, New Jersey. This farmer doesn't get to spend as

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much time in the field as used, as he'd like. His first generation

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farmer, for him agriculture was according, to do God's work. As we

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to his 600 acre property he admits his business would not be thriving

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without outside help. Agriculture as we know it would not be able to

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survive if the people who were working today as undocumented

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workers were not in the workforce. During peak season farmer Kurt has

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more than 200 people working for him. 50 are here today on temporary

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visas. Like Ivan, he leaves his wife and two daughters in Costa Rica

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eight months of the year and has been doing so for the last six

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years. For him, the reason is simple. Little money. You can't find

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sufficient labour and you don't know from year to year if you're going to

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be able to find the workers illegally, so you wonder why people

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turn to doing things under the table and why they turned to an

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undocumented worker, because we don't even have the resources in

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place to allow legitimate employers the legal means to hire people

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properly. This farm depends on guest workers but the application process

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for temporary visas is expensive and cumbersome. Farmer Kurt needs more

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workers underneath them faster. It would seem so does the US economy.

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We have close to full employment. That's great, we want there to be a

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tight labour market but we also want the economy to be able to expand

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beyond the current labour force. You need immigrants to be able to come

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in and help that to expand. I think it's a good thing. The rhetoric

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surrounding immigration has become harsher and focused on more and more

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constraints. But the fact is that a huge number of American businesses

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in different industries are dependent on the labour of overseas

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workers. And what these businesses want is for the president and for

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Congress to focus on the reality. Samira Hussain, BBC News, Chester,

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New Jersey. The Forbes rich list for hip-hop is

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out. Let's show you who came at the top. In third place Doctor dre with

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a net worth of 740 million dollars. Then came Jay-Z with $810 million.

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At the very top, we have Diddy, it ten and $20 million is his fortune.

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In common with many on the list the vast majority of his income is in

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fact not from music. When you look at Diddy one and annual earnings

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basis and net worth basis, probably only ten, 20% as anything to do with

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music. It started with the music but is is the businesses he built off

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the music that are pushing him into that near billionaire territory.

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It's not just endorsements, it's getting this piece of the pie,

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whether profit share or equity stake in the company from something like

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the deal YPG has fought so Roquefort, it's been one of the

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biggest deals of his career. -- the deal Diddy has with a brand of

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vodka. He's investing in a deal, he puts not just that, but his own

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money into it, it's boosting his bottom line in terms of net worth.

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Do stay with us, lots more to come on our top story about the sacking

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of the FBI director. I've been looking at the BBC news app. If you

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go to that, while I have been on air they have filed their latest story,

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saying Donald Trump has considered firing James Comey since taking

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office. Lots of tweets from Donald Trump today saying for example James

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Comey lost the confidence of almost everyone in Washington. He says when

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things calm down they'll be thanking me. It's safe to say things are not

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calm in Washington and in the next edition of outside source I'll talk

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to Daniel Lipman from politico about how feverish things are. Thanks for

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being with us here on outside source.

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