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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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Donald Trump says he's deeply troubled after these photos

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from the scene of the Manchester bombing were leaked to the US media.

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piece is the culprit should be prosecuted.

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British police have stopped sharing intelligence with the US

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I will be making clear to President Trump

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that is shared between law enforcement agencies

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Eight people are now in custody after Monday night's attack

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as police try to hunt down the suicide bomber's

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We'll be live in Manchester with the latest.

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President Trump has addressed Nato leaders in Brussels for the first

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He used the occasion to remind them of their financial obligations.

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23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying

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what they should be paying and what they are supposed to be

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We'll be live in Brussels where the President made that address.

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And we'll look into the Libya connection to the Manchester

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Theresa May has told Donald Trump the leaks must stop.

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This began when US intelligence leaked the Manchester bomber's name.

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Then pictures of the bomb were leaked to the New York Times.

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The police investigating in Manchester have stopped passing

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It is our deepest defence and security partnership that we have.

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Of course that partnership is built on trust and part of that trust

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is knowing that intelligence can be shared confidently, and I will be

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making clear to President Trump today that intelligence

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that is shared between law enforcement agencies

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Donald Trump was always likely to be sympathetic.

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He's been on the receiving end of many leaks.

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Next, let's clear up just what the UK's decision means -

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because it doesn't affect all intelligence.

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I spoke to Raffaello Pantucci, counter terrorism expert

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with the Royal United Services Institute.

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I think this leaves the president make sure that the Minister has a

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proper investigation to see how this investigation leaked out, who is

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responsible and potentially buzzing it was revealed that the Obama

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administration, they did a lot of work in trying to root out leaks

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that came from departments. I imagine Trump will be trying to do

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from a similar here. In terms of what information is shared between

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the UK and the US, it is not all being stopped? It is just the

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information relevant to this investigation? We don't know the

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exact details yet, of that. One of your colleagues has got

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the story police appear to be restricting information which one

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imagines is linked to the specifics of the investigation they are

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undertaking. I think the broader US, UK intelligence relationship is one

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that goes deep and it's hard to imagine that it will be suspended.

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The agencies, listening agencies, GCHQ, the domestic one such as MI5

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and FBI, or the International like CIA and MI6 work hand in glove

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around the world. They stationed everywhere. All of will continue on.

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We will look for an now out in the incident. But it is a blockage that

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will be specific to the Manchester Embassy is nonetheless, it is

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something when it comes into the open. We are seeing it come into the

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open. Manchester Brazel circulating that they are the intelligence

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sharing. They rely on each other, the UK and US, to protect each other

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for. The level of trust is to the point where one side feels they have

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to suspend some level of sharing, that is very negative. Police have

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now made eight arrests. Most in Manchester itself,

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but also in Wigan and Nuneaton. We have no details on why these

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people have been arrested - but the police gave

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this statement earlier. These have been an intense three

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days for the officers and staff of Greater Manchester Police along

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with the national counter-terrorist policing network and UK

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intelligence services. I want to reassure people

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that the arrests we have made are significant and initial searches

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of premises have revealed items that we believe are very important

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to the investigation. Remember there have also

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been arrests in Libya. We talked about this yesterday on

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the show. The attacker's younger brother

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Hashem and his father Ramadan. I mentioned those operations in

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Wigan. The review supervisor Danny Savage is there. A couple of hours

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ago, the area around here was sealed off suddenly because in a side

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street is to left behind me, a property was raided late last last

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night at about 1230, say locals. Ever since then police have been

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about how searching it, looking for evidence following the. Suddenly,

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just after 6pm, they wanted us out on the street, but the initial

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called in to the end of the road, the bomb disposal unit turned up for

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you see the lorry behind me which is the bomb disposal unit. It has been

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head for a couple of hours. The court and was extended further and

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all the people living within this area have been told to get out of

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their houses as a precautionary measure. The police have issued a

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statement in the last half an hour saying, following an arrest in Wigan

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last night, potentially suspicious items were found at the address, and

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a large Gordon hasn't put in place as a bomb disposal make a

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assessment. That is ongoing, the operation is ongoing. As a blustery

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rhetoric, everyone has been moved out. It is another alarming scene in

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the greater -- as a precautionary measure, everyone is moved out. It

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is another alarming scene. Investigations continue following an

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arrest into the bombing. Only people has to leave their homes? -- how

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many people have had to leave their homes? Is probably in the dozens.

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One lady, the next-door neighbour of the man who arrested, her room

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adjoins basically. She is very alarmed if there was a controlled

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explosion, worried about her own possessions as well. Dozens of

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people have been moved out, not hundreds. Local authorities have

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been consulted in case people stay longer. They were told it was

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precautionary measure and it wouldn't be overnight, but is

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dragging on and it could go on longer. They are hoping to get back

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into their homes soon. Danny, thanks for joining us. And just seeing this

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tweet from Obama saying this. Also an update here from Billboard

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magazine in the US saying BBC's radio Festival will tighten security

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at many public events are seeing security tightened in parts of the

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UK. We have learnt more about these who lost their lives on Monday night

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as well as the investigation. They were loved

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and they are mourned. Taken by the bomb,

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their names keep coming. Eilidh MacLeod, 14 years old,

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from the Outer Hebrides, A vivacious teenager who played

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bagpipes and was full of fun. 19-year-old Courtney Boyle described

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as an amazing rock. She went to the concert

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with her stepdad, Philip Tron. Said to have touched

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the lives of so many. In her home city today friends

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and neighbours observed the minute's silence,

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joined by Wendy's relatives. She knew a lot of people shechl had

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a lot of friends, family. I think, even people

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who just knew of her, Also named today, Chloe Rutherford

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and Liam Curry, girlfriend and boyfriend, known

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to be inseparable. The teenagers from South

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Shields died together. Elaine, a police officer

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who loved music and was Flowers have been laid

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at Cheshire Police HQ as a Volunteer Special Constable

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and rose up to work She spent 20 years working

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for Cheshire Police. Her colleagues and friends came

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in to work to learn that they'd Cheshire's Chief Constable opened a

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book of condolence for the officer. Elaine, from all I've heard,

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embodied all the best traditions Somebody who cared about community

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and cared about victims. She left a lasting impression

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on those who met her, both professionally and in victims

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of crime she helped. The injured, so many injured, have

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so much to come to terms with, too. Is the families can barely take it

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all in. This is such a hard time for us. I had to come. At the I didn't

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know what to do. I don't know where Kaymer what to do. I just knew

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something told me to come here. And the injured have so much to come to

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terms with two. 15-year-old Laura Anderson has had

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surgery to remove shrapnel I saw everyone was

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rushing around me. I felt pain in my

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legs then, I think. We know their names

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and their harrowing stories, but we will never understand

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their terrible, unfathomable loss. As those of you watching on the new

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channel will know, at 11am there was a minute's silence. These were the

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pictures recorded on tape and's Square in Manchester. -- in Saint

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Anne's Square. The Queen today visited the Royal

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Manchester Children's Hospital. She met some of those

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who were injured - and some of the hospital staff

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who are looking after them. Bringing new and important

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development on the lead element of our story. The sharing of

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intelligence in Britain and America after two significant leaks. The BBC

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home affairs correspondent says they understand the period in which they

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were not sharing information is over. The decision was taken after

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assurances were received by counterterrorism officers in the UK.

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Earlier we said they raised the issue with Donald Trump, and Trump

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said he wanted to get to the bottle -- get the bottom and was taking

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industry. They are now saying that period has come to an end. After

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assurances were given to counterterrorism officers. We'll

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keep you up-to-date as when our colleagues have updates. I mentioned

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Donald Trump. In a few minutes, we'll look at his time in Brussels.

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He's been ruffling feathers and manhandling the odd leader as you

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see there. We'll get all the latest. Ukip has launched its manifesto.

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Paul Nuttall says it is a message to terrorists that they will not win,

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the up and added that the other participant too cowardly to address

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the problem. There was no magic formula to turning back tide. A big

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Islamic fundamentalism. Action needs to be taken across many policy areas

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and will take time to make significant progress.

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solved if politicians are too cowardly. Without the political will

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to take difficult decisions, challenge communities and secure our

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borders, things are only going to get worse.

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Earlier we reported that British intelligence has stop sharing

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information about the sharing of information has now resumed.

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"@ThisWeekABC described him blasts Nato allies for not paying fair

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share.' The President's had a busy day.

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There is Juncker and double task. Remember how scathing the president

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has been about the EU in the past. He met the new French

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president, Emmanuel Macron. That went on for quite a while and

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has been described as a white knuckle affair of a handshake.

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He also opened a new Nato headquarters with Angela Merkel -

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that's a piece of the Berlin wall on one side, and a piece of one

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Trump and Merkel both spoke. There was a segment of the Twin Towers on

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display just outside the new headquarters.

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But his speech was the main event - concentrate not only

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on what Mr Trump says but how the leaders react.

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But 23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying

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what they should be paying and what they are supposed to be

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This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the United States.

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And many of these nations owe massive amounts of money from past

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years and not paying in those past years.

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Over the last eight years, the United States spent more

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on defence than all other Nato countries combined.

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If all Nato members had spent just 2% of their GDP

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on defence last year, we would have had another

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$119 billion for our collective defence and for the financing

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Emmanuel Macron and others looking like schoolboys in trouble, not

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taking entirely seriously but these are serious matters.

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Plenty to discuss about what was in the speech -

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Article 5 is Nato's mutual defence pledge.

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It's the foundation of the idea of Nato.

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Doanld Trump has yet to endorse it but it was reported

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Here's Tom Wright from the booking Institute. The story developed

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further. But then later the White House

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release a text video confirming that the US was indeed committed

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to article five. Clearly these are matters

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of global security, where attention to detail matters -

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Slightly worrying then that the White House having decided

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to tell us it was committed didn't bother to check how

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committed is spelt. Jonathan Beale is in

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Brussels. He has, broadly speaking, got his

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maths right in terms of what there are only five members of the

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Alliance of the 28 who are paying the 2%. What he got wrong is that

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assumption that there are countries that have paid 2% of their GDP on

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defence who owe masses of money, in his words. That is not how later

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works. There is no enforcement of that 2%, it's a goal in the target

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and after each individual member how much they spend on defence. They

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have the commitment to work towards that 2% but essentially, that

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assumption that they owe money is wrong. On the issue of article five,

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Donald Trump did an veil or was there to unveil the statue of this

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new that building behind me. It has cost 1.2 billion euros. The US has

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contributed 22% of the cost. He unveiled that 911 twisted metal from

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the twin towers and he did mention that that was the time when, the

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only time when they invoked article five which is respectively about --

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effectively about collecting. He went on to say I believe in article

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five and will protect the country under attack. Perhaps that is why

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people thought he could have gone a bit further. He did mention it,

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though. Stay with us, have a couple more questions. Before I go back to

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driving, it's worth saying it will be good to see Brussels.

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Last year he said it was "a "hell hole" and a mess -

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and responded to criticism by saying I was so right!".

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Clearly, Brussels is not like that. I'm not sure if they raised the

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issue with him. Some may not have had the chance.

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Montenegro will be newest member of Nato in a couple of weeks.

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This is a little moment caught on video which tells us quite a few

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things. Before I play it, this is the Lithuanian leader, the

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Montenegro is leader, the Hungarian leader and Nato. Here is Donald

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Trump, look how he deals with the leader of Montenegro, a big shock,

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his quite pleased, he does his jacket up to say I am the leader

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here. It's worth a second view. Lots of people have been analysing that

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if there was not clarity on the pecking order, Mr Trump certainly

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clear that up. You've been having fun with that video, but more

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broadly, how have you been viewing the relations between Mr Trump and

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his colleagues? That video gives you an indication. It fits in with his

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view that America was either is paying more than it should be and it

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should be in the front line of any photograph. In that speech, looking

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at the other leaders as they listen then, there was some amusement,

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over, for example, -- bemusement when he said they should focus not

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just on Russia and terrorism, which is one of the primary reasons he was

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Nato to be there, you think terrorism is the number-1 thing to

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be focused on really. But he also said immigration. Nato is a military

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allowance with nothing to with immigration. That is up to

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individual states, the European Union as a group, for example, that

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is not certainly there were responsibility of Nato. There were

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some amusement doing this beach, some had smile -- bemusement doing

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this speech. Some had smiles and it could be embarrassing that Donald

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Trump was giving both barrels but may have understood the organisation

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slightly wrong. Let's talk about Donald Trump's

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first budget which is being scrutinised in the Senate. There is

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a lot on an accounting area where $2 trillion has been counted twice. A

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reasonably large mistake if it has been made. This is the White House

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budget director who is not having it. He stands by the numbers saying

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he went through line by line. He says President Trump on the budget

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rests on a reasonably optimistic but the Jackson on 3% growth. How

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optimistic is 3%, similar? If you think about it. Look at the Federal

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reserve, the US central bank. They are looking at short-term, we will

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see growth in the US near around 2%. If you look at the Congressional

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budget office, they also said that growth is going to hover around

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1.9%. So this idea that we will see 3% growth in the US, is really quite

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an optimistic view. But the White House and Mr Trump believes this is

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going to be achieved by the massive tax cuts you're going to see. That

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is going to spur growth and that is the reason they believe, they are

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going to see that 3% growth. Thank you. We will leave it there because

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we have stories to fit in before the end of this half. I want to look

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about the oil price which is similar has been following am sure. Look at

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what has happened from this grasp in Bloomberg. The organisation that

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represents oil-producing countries have agreed to extend production

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cuts, reducing production, pushing up prices. But the markets were

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looking for the cuts would go further and they didn't, which is

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why they have reacted in a disappointed fashion. You might be

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thinking, low oil prices is low petrol prices which is good for us.

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True, perhaps, but it will be tough on the countries which produce oil

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and rely on oil for that primary revenue. Here is Andrew Walker.

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There are some countries that could really do with much higher oil

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prices, the ones that come to mind and Venezuela. For Venezuela, it is

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part and parcel of a much wider, really profound economic and

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political crisis. There are certainly some countries you could

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do with prices being a great deal higher. With the kind of prices that

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those two countries could do with, it's not going to happen in the

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foreseeable future. New Zealand has successfully launched a rocket into

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space from the well's first private all but all launch pad. This is a

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little rocket, smaller than one you might see Nasa launch. Only 17

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metres tall. It is designed to carry a tiny cubes satellite that is

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revolutionising the market. They made it into space, it took three

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minutes to get up there, not quite into orbit. The company stressed it

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is just a test, it was code-named hashtag it's a test say they didn't

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think it is it for them. The next launch will be later this year, also

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a test where they will try to get into orbit. On the third test, it

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will take a payload. It can only carry a small load but this fast

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developing market is really what we want to get into. Its companies, not

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countries, in the space race at the moment. So it's a big leap forward.

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That's it for this half. I'll be back with you in a couple of

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minutes's time. See you

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