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Thank you for joining me. Our lead story is the second round of Brexit

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talks have begun. The UK has been outlining for key areas, including

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Citizen's rights. The EU is asking for more information. We need to

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examine and compare our respective positions in order to make good

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progress. Following the immigration crackdown in America, we have a

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special report on the families with no criminal record who are being

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split up in the process. California's governor is fighting to

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retain a tax that punishes heavy polluters. It is part of efforts to

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meet the terms of the Paris climate deal, even though President Trump is

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ticking the US out of it. We will be hearing from Roger Feder. He has

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been speaking to the BBC about his ambition to become number one in the

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world. Now, the BBC investigation into the

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Trump Administration's immigration crackdown. Donald Trump came to

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office promising to deport criminals who were in the US illegally. The

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panorama programme has found that thousands of undocumented immigrants

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without criminal records are being targeted and that families are being

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split apart. Hilary Andersson is the reporter on the story. These are the

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children. One morning in May when they were getting ready for school

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in their home in San Diego, border patrol officers came and arrested

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both of their parents. They came up to my mum and told her she was

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arrested and put handcuffs on her. We were shocked. We all just sat

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down and cried. Their parents have been living in America illegally for

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21 years. Border patrol initially suspected them of involvement in

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international human trafficking, but later dropped the accusation. The

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parents run a smart ice cream business and have no criminal

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record. The first night alone, the children all moved their beds in the

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same room for comfort. The older brother now does his best to run the

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household. The border guards knew they were leaving a teenager in

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charge of children. The asked me, are you Francisco? It can take care

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of them. The lefties here with the full family's yes. President Trump

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came to office on a promise to criminalise people for deportation.

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We have bad people here and we will get them out. In his first 100 days,

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41,000 illegals or suspected illegals were arrested. Most were

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criminals but there was a massive spike in people who were

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non-criminals being arrested, who are undocumented. Supporters say

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they are rightly enforcing the law. Nobody wants families to split. The

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way to ensure that is, if you are a family, is not to come to this

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country illegally. Sometimes the sins of the family are visited on

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the sand and that is unfortunate, but the Government did not create

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them since. They went to visit the parents and the detention centre.

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Their mother has been released on bail but both parents face possible

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deportation, as do 11 million undocumented immigrants in America.

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Let's bring in our correspondent. Help me understand this. Donald

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Trump said he would deport criminals but was he not also saying he was

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quick to crack down more broadly on undocumented immigrants? He said

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that throughout the campaign. In other interviews she, when asked

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when anyone who was illegal would have to go, she said yes. People at

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the time said this was not practical and you could not deport 15 million

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or whatever the number is of undocumented immigrants in the US.

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What we have seen is the Trump Administration at least trying to

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deport as many as possible, or at least arrest as many as possible

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anywhere in the country. The Obama administration was focusing on the

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border and people with criminal records. The hill on Twitter is

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saying Trump has the lowest approval ratings of any president in 70

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years. I am wary of these approval ratings because Donald Trump

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completely foxed the polls as well when he won last year, didn't he?

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Right, most of the polls had a consensus that he was going to lose

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the popular vote by several percentage points, which is what

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happened. Where the real errors were in polling, we did not think he was

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going to be able to rent Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. He

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managed to win that way. 36% approval rating is remarkably low at

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this point in the presidency. It does not mean anything until

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Republicans decide it mean something, offers holders decide it

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will cost them their jobs when they run for real action next year when

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we get to the general election in 2021 and he is trying to run for a

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real election. It is about whether he is liked more than his opponent

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and not whether he is loved over all. A quick word about health care.

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It is made in America week at the White House. Is there a health care

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week planned any time soon? At the made in America week. I do not know.

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Republicans keep trying to get something passed. Donald... He is

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out of operation for the next week or so and cannot vote, so they have

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pushed off any thought for the week or so or longer. That shows how

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narrow the edge that this report is on. One vote that they were counting

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on, if it does not show up, back and threw everything into chaos. As you

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are here, I will throw this question at you. This viewer would like to

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ask you, can you talk us through the impact of America having a more

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closed border policy, the economic impact, what are the arguments? From

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a business standpoint, growing up in Texas, the businesses that I lived

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around, the sort immigration was a boom. They thought it lowered the

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cost of labour and allowed them to create products more cheaply. The

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actually liked having immigration. If you go to someplace like midwest

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where blue-collar jobs, industrial jobs, were being taken by immigrant

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workers, they would have a very different perspective and that is

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that immigration was hiding them. It was driving down the wages and

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affecting them. Immigration can have a very specific harm for a lot of

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people, while generally the market is better for it. It drives down the

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cost of goods. If you have a job in manufacturing, and can be very

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painful if it is affected by immigration. We have not got you out

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yet. We will keep trying. If you ever have questions, we are right

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here in the BBC News room surrounded by experts on all of the main

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stories we are covering and connecting you to the BBC News rooms

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around the world, too. Let's talk about Roger Feder. He won Wimbledon

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for the eighth time. It has never been done before by a man. He has

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won two of the last three grand slams. He did not play in the French

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Open, that is 100% return. He is not the world number one. That is Andy

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Murray. He would like to be, though. He has been talking to the BBC. I

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think it is going to be a three or four weight race with me and Rafer,

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when Andy is going to drop his world number one ranking. If Andy wins

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again, we have to win again. If he starts dropping points, we will get

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there. I hope it is me and not Nadal. It would mean a lot for me to

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get back to number one. I was trying to explain, have not thought about

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it a lot yet. I have to speak to the team and decide how much I am going

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to chase it for the near future. I might get to number one 11 time in

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my career, or is the goal finish the year as number one. For me it makes

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no difference being world number one for one week or ending the year

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number one at this stage in my career. They have to have a meeting

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and discussion with my team about that in the coming weeks. Our

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favourite question is how long you are going to play for? You have won

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two grand slams since she turned 35. In the 1970s, Ken did that. Does it

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appeal to you the thought of putting your expertise, your experience

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against guys who have your age? How it feels to play against players

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have my age? It feels also quite different. I love the times when I

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came on tour and I played the people from the video games and TV and here

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I am thing against them. Now I am playing, I am on the opposite side.

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I am the guy they know from TV and now... I don't know, it is quite

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different. Different from what it used to be. I am enjoying myself and

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I like to, you know, guide them and help them along the way. If they

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have any advice they see, I'm happy to give because it is so important

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to share experience and knowledge about the game and game will always

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move on and always be bigger than any athlete. Am happy I can be in

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the sport for as long as I can delete might have been. Hopefully it

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will be a while. The reason he was saying I am not sure if I will go

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for world number one is that he missed the French Open not because

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of injury, but just to rest. He made the decision that a full season

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would be too much on his body will stop he is picking and choosing more

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but it is harder to be number one then. Let's talk about the women's

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football to an and it started yesterday in the Netherlands. Ben is

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helping us cover this all the way through. He has been telling me

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about the format. For the first time ever, 16 teams

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competing in the Netherlands For groups play over the next few

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weeks of group matches and the top The quarterfinals,

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semifinals and the final. Important date,

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Sunday six of August. How have the Dutch taken to the turn

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it? The Netherlands one

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by one goal to nill. The Dutch are getting

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really behind it. Here it Utrecht, which is one

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of seven host cities, There is a fan zone up

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the road from here. We were there watching

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at that fan zone. When that goal went in,

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drinks were spilt, drinks were had. I noticed on my way to work,

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I saw several adverts for this This is all evidence that it is

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getting more promotion now. And the competition is getting closer and

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closer. European countries are getting more competitive. Domestic

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league, Italy is seeing more professional clubs taking part. One

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team is about to start up a team. It is competitive in France and we know

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all about England with the women's super league. It is getting more

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competitive, more TV coverage and read your coverage. As that goes

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through the process of this to an end, the profile will just keep on

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rising. Cycling next. The rest day but Chris, who is in the yellow

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jersey was talking about yesterday. It was a dramatic stage. He lost one

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minute on the road before getting back to his rivals. It was a close

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run thing. You're geeky is talking about it. I was standing on the side

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of my road. -- European is talking about it. I thought that was

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potentially game over for me. If you go all the way to Paris, will you

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look back and think that was the day I did not win but I saved it. Let's

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get to Paris first and then I can think about that. If I just reflect

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on yesterday, that was a huge save. That was really touch and go if I

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was going to make it back. If I did not reach that front group, I do not

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believe I would have made it to the finish line in yellow. It has never

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been this close in the history of the tour. Great for us but what is

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it like for you? It is stressful but we knew that this year was going to

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be the closest fought battle I have ever done and the biggest challenge

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of my career to date. It is shaping up to be that. Was it more enjoyable

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getting the yellow jersey back than getting at in the first place? Of

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course it was a disappointment to lose it in the Pyrenees when I had a

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bad day. I am feeling better and better. Hopefully that means with

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time, I came in really fresh and hopefully going into the third week

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now, that'll put me in better shape than some of my rivals. BBC radio

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five live interview there. Full coverage on the sports app, five

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live and here on BBC News Channel and World News. In a couple of

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minutes time, a report to play you. It is about a memorial forest that

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has been planted close to Amsterdam's airport to remember

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those who lost their lives on the flight.

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All this year, Hull is celebrating being the UK City of Culture. Nine

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places in the city are getting listed Heritage status. Among them

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is the Humber Bridge. It was built in 1981. One of the most spectacular

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bridges in the UK. Our arts correspondent has been looking at

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it. The Humber Bridge. For years, the longest single span bridge in

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the world. Now joining Westminster Abbey, Buckingham Palace and ten

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Downing St as a grade one listed building. A place of architectural

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and historic interest. It gives me great pleasure to unveil this plaque

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and to clear the Humber Bridge open. The new honour comes exactly 36

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years to the day of the official opening. They cost more than ?100

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million. At the other end of the scale, something from the very year

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the Queen was born. This art and of all public convenience from 1926.

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These pilots on the Hull waterfront have been chosen because they were

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designed to cater for men and women, very rare at the time and most of

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the original fittings have been preserved. What were they like

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inside? It felt like they were great to listed, to be fair. Impressive?

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They could do with a clean, I reckon. I think it is marvellous.

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Hull has always been known by most people were only salesmen and

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relations go. Perhaps the kind of people who meet in toilets. Speaking

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of Philip Larkin, the house where he lived for more than 18 years and

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wrote some of his most famous poems. Walking around in the park should

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feel better than work. The lake, the sunshine, the grass to lie on. And

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the hope here is that Hull Vista rate will have an important role to

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play in its future. It did lose a lot of good buildings during the

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Second World War. Things are now on the up and up and people are more

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optimistic. This state is that we are getting from the listed

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buildings, grade one, is marvellous. The Humber Bridge was only designed

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to have a life span of 120 years but now its place in history is secured.

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We are live at the BBC News room. Our lead story is that the second

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round of Brexit Thaksin started in Brussels. Four main areas have been

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outlined, and dozens rights and the divorce bill. We talk an awful lot

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about Donald Trump ruling America out of the Paris climate deal. At

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the time of the announcement, several US states came out and said

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they are going to stick to the terms of that deal anyway. One of them is

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California. One of the measures it wants to use to meet those times is

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to extend what is called a cap and trade programme, essentially taxes

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businesses for putting. The man who is promoting it hard is Governor

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Jerry Brown. James Cook is with us from Los Angeles to tell us more

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about it. Hello, James. I associate California with being

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forward-thinking. Is there much resistance to what he is suggesting?

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Yes, there is some resistance and comes from both sides. Resistance

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from some businesses who are concerned about the impact on

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industry and resistance, more so in some regards, from

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environmentalists. Not all, some are on board but others think that too

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many concessions have been given to the businesses. The governor of

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California is trying to find the middle ground to get this bill

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passed in the Senate in Sacramento, the state capital and the assembly

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there. What is interesting is the extent to which Jerry Brown, who has

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been around in US politics for decades, is emerging. His state is

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emerging as the defect to challenge to the Trump administration when it

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comes to climate. Forging a completely different path. He

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recently travelled, Jerry Brown, to China to meet with the leadership

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they talk about reducing emissions and lots of other countries around

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the world are looking to California. At the same time, the Trump

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administration is pulling out of the Paris

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climate agreement. California, the most populous state in the United

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States, and the US as a whole, going in different directions. It is an

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irony here. I have met lots of Republican voters who have real

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against too much centralised power and here we have the devolution of

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the American response being driven by a policy of the Republican

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president. That is fair and a good but states rights are at the heart

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of what a of Republicans believe in. People are more forthcoming and

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forthright about those rights when it suits them than when it doesn't.

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Do not forget that within California, with a 30% of

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Californians voted for Donald Trump. A significant proportion of the

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state, particularly in rural parts of California, where they are fans

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of Mr Trump and his approach and not fans of the approach of Jerry Brown

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and what they would regard it an overweening, far too oppressive

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approach from more on the left wing. Jerry Brown would say that is

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nonsense and this bill is about something much wider than all of

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that. It is about protecting the error that Californians read and the

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air people outside Californians breathe outside. California wants to

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reduce its emissions by 40% between now and 2030. Without this bill

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going through, it is going to be very difficult to see how they will

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do that. One thing I am wondering, we are talking about how businesses

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pull it. You are city, where you are sitting now, has thousands and

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thousands of cars all driven by individuals pushing out the small

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bits of pollution. Our air costs been putting on the individual as

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well? Our costs. Not a direct sense but California has passed is a gas

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increased the tax on fuel to pay for increased the tax on fuel to pay for

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measures, to reduce carbon emissions. This is not the only

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measure that is being taken to try and tackle emissions in California.

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As you rightly say, the city has a huge measure with emissions. The

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smog is not as bad as it used to be, but that is still an issue. Higher

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taxes are not popular but they have been approved by the people of

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California. How interesting. James, thank you. Keep us posted, please.

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We are going to finish the programme with a report about a memorial

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forest that is being planted in an airport. That is where Malaysia

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flight took off three years ago. It headed for Kuala Lumpur but it did

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not get there. It was... Close to the border with Russia. A space full

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of life. Created to remember the dead. And reflect. Three years have

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passed. The families brought together by a loss now find comfort

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in each other 's presence. It means the world. I have met some people

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who have been through the same tragedy as I have been through. What

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a lovely, lovely place. It has been a lovely day. Again, lovely people.

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I am honoured to be a part of it. 80 children were among the 298 people

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killed when the flight was shot out of the sky. The joint investigation

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team is still gathering the evidence they hope will eventually reveal who

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is responsible. Their sorrow is aggravated by what they believe are

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deliberate attempt to muddy the waters with Miss information, pushed

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out of the country that could hold the most critical clues. I have

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never said anything derogatory about anybody. I want someone to come out

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and say why it happened. I do not care how it happened now. They will

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not bring the people back. I think it would be nice to know why.

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Someone to hold the hands out. All the names were read out today. There

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were a lot of people who struggle to read the names out, especially young

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children. It was tough me. I was one of the last ones to get up. The

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longer it went, the harder it was. I would like to think I did Liam and

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John justice. The pain will never go away but some peace. Tell us why.

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This memorial forest was designed to signify life, growth and the hope

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that so many of these families are still coming onto. -- clinging onto.

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Anna's report finishes this edition of Outside Source. Thank you for

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watching. We will be back tomorrow at the usual time. We will see you

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then. The week ahead is a story of ups and

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downs weather-wise and the temperature at the moment

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