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Thank you for joining me. Our lead story is the second round of Brexit


talks have begun. The UK has been outlining for key areas, including


Citizen's rights. The EU is asking for more information. We need to


examine and compare our respective positions in order to make good


progress. Following the immigration crackdown in America, we have a


special report on the families with no criminal record who are being


split up in the process. California's governor is fighting to


retain a tax that punishes heavy polluters. It is part of efforts to


meet the terms of the Paris climate deal, even though President Trump is


ticking the US out of it. We will be hearing from Roger Feder. He has


been speaking to the BBC about his ambition to become number one in the


world. Now, the BBC investigation into the


Trump Administration's immigration crackdown. Donald Trump came to


office promising to deport criminals who were in the US illegally. The


panorama programme has found that thousands of undocumented immigrants


without criminal records are being targeted and that families are being


split apart. Hilary Andersson is the reporter on the story. These are the


children. One morning in May when they were getting ready for school


in their home in San Diego, border patrol officers came and arrested


both of their parents. They came up to my mum and told her she was


arrested and put handcuffs on her. We were shocked. We all just sat


down and cried. Their parents have been living in America illegally for


21 years. Border patrol initially suspected them of involvement in


international human trafficking, but later dropped the accusation. The


parents run a smart ice cream business and have no criminal


record. The first night alone, the children all moved their beds in the


same room for comfort. The older brother now does his best to run the


household. The border guards knew they were leaving a teenager in


charge of children. The asked me, are you Francisco? It can take care


of them. The lefties here with the full family's yes. President Trump


came to office on a promise to criminalise people for deportation.


We have bad people here and we will get them out. In his first 100 days,


41,000 illegals or suspected illegals were arrested. Most were


criminals but there was a massive spike in people who were


non-criminals being arrested, who are undocumented. Supporters say


they are rightly enforcing the law. Nobody wants families to split. The


way to ensure that is, if you are a family, is not to come to this


country illegally. Sometimes the sins of the family are visited on


the sand and that is unfortunate, but the Government did not create


them since. They went to visit the parents and the detention centre.


Their mother has been released on bail but both parents face possible


deportation, as do 11 million undocumented immigrants in America.


Let's bring in our correspondent. Help me understand this. Donald


Trump said he would deport criminals but was he not also saying he was


quick to crack down more broadly on undocumented immigrants? He said


that throughout the campaign. In other interviews she, when asked


when anyone who was illegal would have to go, she said yes. People at


the time said this was not practical and you could not deport 15 million


or whatever the number is of undocumented immigrants in the US.


What we have seen is the Trump Administration at least trying to


deport as many as possible, or at least arrest as many as possible


anywhere in the country. The Obama administration was focusing on the


border and people with criminal records. The hill on Twitter is


saying Trump has the lowest approval ratings of any president in 70


years. I am wary of these approval ratings because Donald Trump


completely foxed the polls as well when he won last year, didn't he?


Right, most of the polls had a consensus that he was going to lose


the popular vote by several percentage points, which is what


happened. Where the real errors were in polling, we did not think he was


going to be able to rent Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. He


managed to win that way. 36% approval rating is remarkably low at


this point in the presidency. It does not mean anything until


Republicans decide it mean something, offers holders decide it


will cost them their jobs when they run for real action next year when


we get to the general election in 2021 and he is trying to run for a


real election. It is about whether he is liked more than his opponent


and not whether he is loved over all. A quick word about health care.


It is made in America week at the White House. Is there a health care


week planned any time soon? At the made in America week. I do not know.


Republicans keep trying to get something passed. Donald... He is


out of operation for the next week or so and cannot vote, so they have


pushed off any thought for the week or so or longer. That shows how


narrow the edge that this report is on. One vote that they were counting


on, if it does not show up, back and threw everything into chaos. As you


are here, I will throw this question at you. This viewer would like to


ask you, can you talk us through the impact of America having a more


closed border policy, the economic impact, what are the arguments? From


a business standpoint, growing up in Texas, the businesses that I lived


around, the sort immigration was a boom. They thought it lowered the


cost of labour and allowed them to create products more cheaply. The


actually liked having immigration. If you go to someplace like midwest


where blue-collar jobs, industrial jobs, were being taken by immigrant


workers, they would have a very different perspective and that is


that immigration was hiding them. It was driving down the wages and


affecting them. Immigration can have a very specific harm for a lot of


people, while generally the market is better for it. It drives down the


cost of goods. If you have a job in manufacturing, and can be very


painful if it is affected by immigration. We have not got you out


yet. We will keep trying. If you ever have questions, we are right


here in the BBC News room surrounded by experts on all of the main


stories we are covering and connecting you to the BBC News rooms


around the world, too. Let's talk about Roger Feder. He won Wimbledon


for the eighth time. It has never been done before by a man. He has


won two of the last three grand slams. He did not play in the French


Open, that is 100% return. He is not the world number one. That is Andy


Murray. He would like to be, though. He has been talking to the BBC. I


think it is going to be a three or four weight race with me and Rafer,


when Andy is going to drop his world number one ranking. If Andy wins


again, we have to win again. If he starts dropping points, we will get


there. I hope it is me and not Nadal. It would mean a lot for me to


get back to number one. I was trying to explain, have not thought about


it a lot yet. I have to speak to the team and decide how much I am going


to chase it for the near future. I might get to number one 11 time in


my career, or is the goal finish the year as number one. For me it makes


no difference being world number one for one week or ending the year


number one at this stage in my career. They have to have a meeting


and discussion with my team about that in the coming weeks. Our


favourite question is how long you are going to play for? You have won


two grand slams since she turned 35. In the 1970s, Ken did that. Does it


appeal to you the thought of putting your expertise, your experience


against guys who have your age? How it feels to play against players


have my age? It feels also quite different. I love the times when I


came on tour and I played the people from the video games and TV and here


I am thing against them. Now I am playing, I am on the opposite side.


I am the guy they know from TV and now... I don't know, it is quite


different. Different from what it used to be. I am enjoying myself and


I like to, you know, guide them and help them along the way. If they


have any advice they see, I'm happy to give because it is so important


to share experience and knowledge about the game and game will always


move on and always be bigger than any athlete. Am happy I can be in


the sport for as long as I can delete might have been. Hopefully it


will be a while. The reason he was saying I am not sure if I will go


for world number one is that he missed the French Open not because


of injury, but just to rest. He made the decision that a full season


would be too much on his body will stop he is picking and choosing more


but it is harder to be number one then. Let's talk about the women's


football to an and it started yesterday in the Netherlands. Ben is


helping us cover this all the way through. He has been telling me


about the format. For the first time ever, 16 teams


competing in the Netherlands For groups play over the next few


weeks of group matches and the top The quarterfinals,


semifinals and the final. Important date,


Sunday six of August. How have the Dutch taken to the turn


it? The Netherlands one


by one goal to nill. The Dutch are getting


really behind it. Here it Utrecht, which is one


of seven host cities, There is a fan zone up


the road from here. We were there watching


at that fan zone. When that goal went in,


drinks were spilt, drinks were had. I noticed on my way to work,


I saw several adverts for this This is all evidence that it is


getting more promotion now. And the competition is getting closer and


closer. European countries are getting more competitive. Domestic


league, Italy is seeing more professional clubs taking part. One


team is about to start up a team. It is competitive in France and we know


all about England with the women's super league. It is getting more


competitive, more TV coverage and read your coverage. As that goes


through the process of this to an end, the profile will just keep on


rising. Cycling next. The rest day but Chris, who is in the yellow


jersey was talking about yesterday. It was a dramatic stage. He lost one


minute on the road before getting back to his rivals. It was a close


run thing. You're geeky is talking about it. I was standing on the side


of my road. -- European is talking about it. I thought that was


potentially game over for me. If you go all the way to Paris, will you


look back and think that was the day I did not win but I saved it. Let's


get to Paris first and then I can think about that. If I just reflect


on yesterday, that was a huge save. That was really touch and go if I


was going to make it back. If I did not reach that front group, I do not


believe I would have made it to the finish line in yellow. It has never


been this close in the history of the tour. Great for us but what is


it like for you? It is stressful but we knew that this year was going to


be the closest fought battle I have ever done and the biggest challenge


of my career to date. It is shaping up to be that. Was it more enjoyable


getting the yellow jersey back than getting at in the first place? Of


course it was a disappointment to lose it in the Pyrenees when I had a


bad day. I am feeling better and better. Hopefully that means with


time, I came in really fresh and hopefully going into the third week


now, that'll put me in better shape than some of my rivals. BBC radio


five live interview there. Full coverage on the sports app, five


live and here on BBC News Channel and World News. In a couple of


minutes time, a report to play you. It is about a memorial forest that


has been planted close to Amsterdam's airport to remember


those who lost their lives on the flight.


All this year, Hull is celebrating being the UK City of Culture. Nine


places in the city are getting listed Heritage status. Among them


is the Humber Bridge. It was built in 1981. One of the most spectacular


bridges in the UK. Our arts correspondent has been looking at


it. The Humber Bridge. For years, the longest single span bridge in


the world. Now joining Westminster Abbey, Buckingham Palace and ten


Downing St as a grade one listed building. A place of architectural


and historic interest. It gives me great pleasure to unveil this plaque


and to clear the Humber Bridge open. The new honour comes exactly 36


years to the day of the official opening. They cost more than ?100


million. At the other end of the scale, something from the very year


the Queen was born. This art and of all public convenience from 1926.


These pilots on the Hull waterfront have been chosen because they were


designed to cater for men and women, very rare at the time and most of


the original fittings have been preserved. What were they like


inside? It felt like they were great to listed, to be fair. Impressive?


They could do with a clean, I reckon. I think it is marvellous.


Hull has always been known by most people were only salesmen and


relations go. Perhaps the kind of people who meet in toilets. Speaking


of Philip Larkin, the house where he lived for more than 18 years and


wrote some of his most famous poems. Walking around in the park should


feel better than work. The lake, the sunshine, the grass to lie on. And


the hope here is that Hull Vista rate will have an important role to


play in its future. It did lose a lot of good buildings during the


Second World War. Things are now on the up and up and people are more


optimistic. This state is that we are getting from the listed


buildings, grade one, is marvellous. The Humber Bridge was only designed


to have a life span of 120 years but now its place in history is secured.


We are live at the BBC News room. Our lead story is that the second


round of Brexit Thaksin started in Brussels. Four main areas have been


outlined, and dozens rights and the divorce bill. We talk an awful lot


about Donald Trump ruling America out of the Paris climate deal. At


the time of the announcement, several US states came out and said


they are going to stick to the terms of that deal anyway. One of them is


California. One of the measures it wants to use to meet those times is


to extend what is called a cap and trade programme, essentially taxes


businesses for putting. The man who is promoting it hard is Governor


Jerry Brown. James Cook is with us from Los Angeles to tell us more


about it. Hello, James. I associate California with being


forward-thinking. Is there much resistance to what he is suggesting?


Yes, there is some resistance and comes from both sides. Resistance


from some businesses who are concerned about the impact on


industry and resistance, more so in some regards, from


environmentalists. Not all, some are on board but others think that too


many concessions have been given to the businesses. The governor of


California is trying to find the middle ground to get this bill


passed in the Senate in Sacramento, the state capital and the assembly


there. What is interesting is the extent to which Jerry Brown, who has


been around in US politics for decades, is emerging. His state is


emerging as the defect to challenge to the Trump administration when it


comes to climate. Forging a completely different path. He


recently travelled, Jerry Brown, to China to meet with the leadership


they talk about reducing emissions and lots of other countries around


the world are looking to California. At the same time, the Trump


administration is pulling out of the Paris


climate agreement. California, the most populous state in the United


States, and the US as a whole, going in different directions. It is an


irony here. I have met lots of Republican voters who have real


against too much centralised power and here we have the devolution of


the American response being driven by a policy of the Republican


president. That is fair and a good but states rights are at the heart


of what a of Republicans believe in. People are more forthcoming and


forthright about those rights when it suits them than when it doesn't.


Do not forget that within California, with a 30% of


Californians voted for Donald Trump. A significant proportion of the


state, particularly in rural parts of California, where they are fans


of Mr Trump and his approach and not fans of the approach of Jerry Brown


and what they would regard it an overweening, far too oppressive


approach from more on the left wing. Jerry Brown would say that is


nonsense and this bill is about something much wider than all of


that. It is about protecting the error that Californians read and the


air people outside Californians breathe outside. California wants to


reduce its emissions by 40% between now and 2030. Without this bill


going through, it is going to be very difficult to see how they will


do that. One thing I am wondering, we are talking about how businesses


pull it. You are city, where you are sitting now, has thousands and


thousands of cars all driven by individuals pushing out the small


bits of pollution. Our air costs been putting on the individual as


well? Our costs. Not a direct sense but California has passed is a gas


increased the tax on fuel to pay for increased the tax on fuel to pay for


measures, to reduce carbon emissions. This is not the only


measure that is being taken to try and tackle emissions in California.


As you rightly say, the city has a huge measure with emissions. The


smog is not as bad as it used to be, but that is still an issue. Higher


taxes are not popular but they have been approved by the people of


California. How interesting. James, thank you. Keep us posted, please.


We are going to finish the programme with a report about a memorial


forest that is being planted in an airport. That is where Malaysia


flight took off three years ago. It headed for Kuala Lumpur but it did


not get there. It was... Close to the border with Russia. A space full


of life. Created to remember the dead. And reflect. Three years have


passed. The families brought together by a loss now find comfort


in each other 's presence. It means the world. I have met some people


who have been through the same tragedy as I have been through. What


a lovely, lovely place. It has been a lovely day. Again, lovely people.


I am honoured to be a part of it. 80 children were among the 298 people


killed when the flight was shot out of the sky. The joint investigation


team is still gathering the evidence they hope will eventually reveal who


is responsible. Their sorrow is aggravated by what they believe are


deliberate attempt to muddy the waters with Miss information, pushed


out of the country that could hold the most critical clues. I have


never said anything derogatory about anybody. I want someone to come out


and say why it happened. I do not care how it happened now. They will


not bring the people back. I think it would be nice to know why.


Someone to hold the hands out. All the names were read out today. There


were a lot of people who struggle to read the names out, especially young


children. It was tough me. I was one of the last ones to get up. The


longer it went, the harder it was. I would like to think I did Liam and


John justice. The pain will never go away but some peace. Tell us why.


This memorial forest was designed to signify life, growth and the hope


that so many of these families are still coming onto. -- clinging onto.


Anna's report finishes this edition of Outside Source. Thank you for


watching. We will be back tomorrow at the usual time. We will see you


then. The week ahead is a story of ups and


downs weather-wise and the temperature at the moment