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This is Joseph Kony, one of the world's most wanted men. I am not | :00:16. | :00:23. | |
guilty. I am not guilty. As one of the most prolific killers in | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
history, Kony and his commanders are wanted for crimes against | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
humanity. He is a psychopath and he has got multiple personality | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
disorder. Said to have supernatural powers, he has ruined the lives of | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
millions. All I thought was that I would lose my life. That would be | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
the end of May. He turns children into curlers and ordered his | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
commanders to rape schoolgirls. Are you proud of yourself? I am not | :00:53. | :01:01. | |
proud. I am only disappointed with my life. Now he is hunted by the UN | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
and thousands of African troops backed by the planet's most | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
powerful military machine. advisers will continue their | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
efforts to bring this mad man to justice and save lives. This is | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
Joseph Kony. The black guy? And he is the target of a global campaign | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
demanding that he be captured this year. If we succeed, we changed the | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
course of human history. Tonight, Panorama joins the hunt for the | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
leader of what Kony calls his Lord's Resistance Army, and asks | :01:39. | :01:45. | |
why after 25 years of carnage, this notorious warlord is still at large. | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
I cannot tell you if it will be tomorrow, in a month, but | :01:49. | :01:59. | |
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This is the frontline of the hunt for Joseph Kony. The jungle almost | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
the size of France. After a global campaign clamouring for the capture | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
of Kony this year, as an African journalist I want to know what is | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
being done on the ground to bring to justice the man who has | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
terrorised millions. I joined the Ugandan army unit hunting him in | :02:36. | :02:44. | |
the jungles of the Central African Republic. Uganda is being backed by | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
American special forces. But still Kony remains one step ahead. We are | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
doing whatever it takes to make sure that we capture or kill Kony. | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
Our last intelligence indicated that Joseph Kony is in the Central | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
African Republic. Kony might be anywhere because we do not have any | :03:05. | :03:15. | |
mechanism of tracking Kony himself. If Joseph Kony, the leader of the | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
Lord's Resistance Army, the LRA, had been 20 ft in front of me, I | :03:18. | :03:24. | |
would not have seen him. This is a real jungle. It is in the middle of | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
nowhere. Searching for anyone here, particularly a man who has mastered | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
the tactics of the bush, is like searching for a needle in a | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
haystack. Do you have any information whether the LRA are | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
around this area? Is that why you are going there? The LRA right now, | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
we do not know their position. Vicky Barr rotating in the general | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
area. One day we will come across the track. -- they keep rotating in | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
the general area. This camp was abandoned by the LRA just two weeks | :04:00. | :04:10. | |
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earlier. This is the enemy defence. It was discovered after a rebel | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
defector led the Ugandans here. This was the headquarters. The | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
overall commander was clear. They avoid movement from their position. | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
That is why they can hide themselves here for more than a | :04:22. | :04:31. | |
month. It is estimated 50 to 60 of Kony's fighters lived here, plus | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
women and children. This child was one of them. Adam, said by his | :04:37. | :04:44. | |
mother to be Joseph Kony's five- year-old son. Abducted aged 13, | :04:44. | :04:51. | |
Doreen Abango escaped just 10 days earlier. TRANSLATION: I saw that I | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
was wasting my life so I took the opportunity to come back. I started | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
walking at night with my child, moving in such a way I did not | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
leave any tracks. A fire was found, I would be killed. -- if I was | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
found. Doreen told me she had not seen Kony for five years. She is | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
one of dozens of women that he is accused of raping. He takes women | :05:17. | :05:26. | |
in terms. Women go to him in terms. That is the nature of war. As women | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
we do not have the power to refuse. We are afraid and want to protect | :05:30. | :05:40. | |
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The Ugandans believe that Joseph Kony is in the Central African | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
Republic, but the Lord's Resistance Army that he leads are thought to | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
be constantly on the move between here, Sudan in the North, and the | :05:52. | :06:00. | |
Democratic Republic of Congo, which continues to suffer at their hands. | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
Here, terrified families have sought centuries in refugee camps | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
since the LRA started attacking in 2008. I headed to the nearest camp. | :06:10. | :06:19. | |
300 miles South East of the Ugandan position. The first people started | :06:19. | :06:29. | |
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coming in the month of March. people feel safe because delighted | :06:29. | :06:37. | |
macro and Congolese army are based nearby. -- because the UN and | :06:37. | :06:44. | |
Congolese army are based nearby. There are 10,000 people in camps. | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
The terror that the LRA cause in this region is totally | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
disproportionate to their numbers. The UN estimates there are only 100 | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
fighters left, but they continue to evade capture. They did not attack | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
me but we ran because they killed people yes so we were afraid. | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
you think you can go back home? until the raiding and the war is | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
over. This is the worst thing that has ever happened to us and many of | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
our belongings have been destroyed. Today almost half a million people | :07:20. | :07:28. | |
remain displaced by the war. It is a fear creation tactic. People have | :07:28. | :07:37. | |
got that fear. They have that Psycho thing in them. That is why | :07:37. | :07:47. | |
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TRANSLATION: The LRA kills. The LRA mutilates. The LRA mutilates. The | :07:54. | :08:02. | |
LRA burns villages and public buildings. These people have had | :08:02. | :08:09. | |
enough. We want Joseph Kony to leave this region. We want Joseph | :08:09. | :08:19. | |
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Kony to be arrested and for us to Kony's war in this region started | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
only 300 miles away in Uganda in the late 1980s. Since then, the | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
scale of atrocities has been apocalyptic. An estimated 100,000 | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
people have died in this conflict. At least 20,000 children have been | :08:39. | :08:48. | |
abducted, many forced to be child soldiers or sex slaves. What | :08:48. | :08:56. | |
exactly is Joseph Kony fighting for? Six years ago, after months of | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
negotiation, the film crew were led deep into the jungle to find out. | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
Surrounded by heavily armed fighters, this was to be the first | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
and last time Kony gave a television interview. I am a | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
freedom fighter who is fighting for freedom in Uganda. But I am not a | :09:18. | :09:27. | |
terrorist. Kony denied murdering civilians and abducting children. | :09:27. | :09:35. | |
found not guilty. I am not guilty. I am not guilty. And declaimed holy | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
spirits were guiding him in his mission to overthrow the Ugandan | :09:39. | :09:49. | |
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Government. -- he claimed. Spirits will come to us. They come through | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
me and they talk to the people, what to do. But if I am also | :09:54. | :10:01. | |
fighting for the commandment of God, is that bad? It is not bad. I have | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
had to go to a crime profiler, actually Scotland Yard, to try to | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
understand this man that I have dealt with for a long time. Betty | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
Bigombe is one of a long line of African leaders who tried and | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
failed to talk Kony into making peace. His followers would say that | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
he is extremely kind. He is extremely generous. And yet he | :10:27. | :10:35. | |
would rape people, rip their tummy apart, or the killing in the most | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
brutal manner. Who is this man? And the analysis, the report that came | :10:40. | :10:50. | |
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up, he is a psychopath. He has got a multiple personality disorder. | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
find out more about Joseph Kony, I came to the place where he was born, | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
Odek in northern Uganda. Here I found one of the last surviving | :11:04. | :11:12. | |
members of his family, Gabriela Lakot, his older sister. This is | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
the first time she had agreed to be interviewed. God has brought a | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
curse on this family. This is our mother's lament. Kony has brought | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
so much trouble on us, now everybody hates us. She was there | :11:26. | :11:33. | |
when Joseph Kony came into this world. When my mother was giving | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
birth, I came and supported her. As soon as Kony was born, he stood up | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
on his two feet. Everyone was astonished and wondrous, saying | :11:43. | :11:52. | |
this child is strange. This child is strange. When Kony reached his | :11:52. | :11:59. | |
teens, he started hearing voices in his head. It seems to me that he | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
had developed a mental problem. My father tried everything to help | :12:03. | :12:11. | |
Kony, but in vain. Even a cow was sacrificed, but in vain. | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
everyone in Odek believed that Kony was mentally ill. I found one of | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
his old school friends, later to become one of the warlord's | :12:20. | :12:27. | |
earliest disciples. The spirit had possessed Kony. That spirit, when | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
it's time came to speak, it entered Kony and completely transformed its | :12:32. | :12:42. | |
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nature. These spirits would go on to haunt this region for decades. | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
By 1986, Kony was a young man and many in Northern and Gander were | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
rebelling against a new Government. -- northern Uganda. On this hill he | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
would claim to hear the voices of spirits which his followers | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
believed would predict the future. These voices would also later Mark | :13:03. | :13:11. | |
Kony out as a leader of insurgents. People saw the potential and the | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
possibility of a spirit that had possessed Kony helping them against | :13:14. | :13:21. | |
a danger of death that they thought was coming to them. I am amongst | :13:21. | :13:31. | |
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the people that accepted. I am one of those. By the early 90s, the | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
rebellion was over, but the profit did not put down his gun. Instead | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
he turned it on his own people for abandoning the cause. Because of | :13:42. | :13:50. | |
Kony and his Lord's Resistance Army was born. -- the cult of Kony. | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
has been like a terrible fire. It has resulted in the last of many | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
young people. I see the wrong in it and the pain associated with it. We | :14:01. | :14:11. | |
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A Ugandan Government camp created to protect local civilians from the | :14:25. | :14:33. | |
Mayor was affected. They failed. -- from the LRA was affected. 301 | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
people were counted dead. Men, women and children. Slaughtered by | :14:38. | :14:48. | |
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Kony's troops in February, 2004. This woman was ordered to kill her | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
husband. They asked me to cut his throat, but then a little child | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
soldier told them not to us than our old lady to kill her husband. | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
They took my husband and cut his throat while I watched. My child, | :15:07. | :15:17. | |
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his son, was also killed. Her son I think Kony was very conscious of | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
what he was doing. I don't think the massacres that were committed | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
by the LRA, they were the acts of individuals who are indisciplined | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
but I think that they all came directly from his orders and I | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
think he knew very well what he was ordering. Carlos Rodriguez was a | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
priest at the time based the at the heart of where Kony was carrying | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
out his massacres he listened in ands -- as the LRA | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
leader talked on the radio to his troops. Sometimes he was very | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
explicit in ordering massacres, laughing like a sadistic killer, | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
saying, as he was laughing, that's very good, continue, you should | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
kill even more, you should kill even elderly people, even children. | :16:03. | :16:12. | |
Don't leave anybody alive. Industrial-scale killing, but Kony | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
inflicted brutality on the living, too. | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
Godfrey Okello - abducted aged ten. Ojok Patrick - abducted aged 14. | :16:24. | :16:34. | |
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Oriem Michael - abducted aged ten. Kony said it was war. If he sends | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
you to fight, you have to fight. Much of the killing was carried out | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
by child soldiers. Thousands and thousands of children were abducted | :16:44. | :16:54. | |
by the LRA. Kony teaches, saying that all | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
civilians have been trained. They have arrows to use on us. Civilians | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
also use knives and all sorts of things to injure us, therefore, if | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
we come across any civilians we mustn't allow them to survive | :17:05. | :17:14. | |
because they are bad people. While young boys were forced to | :17:14. | :17:21. | |
become killers, Kony also had plans for young girls. | :17:21. | :17:28. | |
This was the dormitory where I was that night. Grace Acan was just 15 | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
years old when she was abducted along with 30 other schoolgirls | :17:31. | :17:39. | |
from St Mary's convent, northern Ugandan in 1996. I thought that | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
would be the end of my life because I have heard a lot about LRA. | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
They're risky, they're dangerous, they can kill and when they get you | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
that will be the end of you. girls were marched for two weeks | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
north through the bush to an LRA camp in southern Sudan. There, | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
Grace discovered her fate for the next eight years. The moment you | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
begin your menstrual period, that's all. They will say now you are | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
ready for a man. That's what they will do. It doesn't matter how old | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
you are? It Doesn't matter. That's what they would do. Grace was | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
forced to become a sex slave. She was repeatedly raped by this man, | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
one of Kony's most senior commanders. | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
These days, it's not hard to find Kenneth Banya, he lives just down | :18:30. | :18:37. | |
the road from Grace. What I don't understand, why did | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
Kony specifically give these girls to be raped by the older guys, the | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
commanders, why? He was doing that because he wanted to maintain | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
people in the bush, do you understand? He wanted to keep | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
people in the bush, so that you don't think of other things. | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
how do you think it is for youngsters like Grace who have gone | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
through this without their permission? It is not only Grace | :19:08. | :19:17. | |
alone, there are so many who are like Grace. I kept on thinking that | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
now, how can I be given to such a man? It wasn't my choice. He was | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
basically forcing you every week? If you say no, they beat you. | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
that happen to you? I didn't want to be beaten with a panga because I | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
saw with my eyes what it is to be beaten with a machete. | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
Grace gave birth to two children, a son and a daughter, both fathered | :19:44. | :19:53. | |
by Banya. Then, in July 2004, eight years | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
after she was abducted, the Ugandan Army attacked the LRA camp where | :19:58. | :20:06. | |
she was being held. The first bomb landed on my son, who was being | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
carried by another girl, so they both died. I didn't see, but I was | :20:13. | :20:22. | |
told. I didn't have a chance to see where his body was. | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
Grace escaped with her daughter, Mercy, who is now nine years old. | :20:27. | :20:35. | |
Her mother wants to put the past behind them. But is that possible? | :20:35. | :20:43. | |
I wanted to know if the man who raped Grace showed any remorse. | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
Why did you systematically rape a child like her, who was 15 years, | :20:49. | :20:56. | |
over and over and over for years? Why did you do that? I did not rape | :20:56. | :21:04. | |
Grace. In LRA, you are given by force, and the woman also she is | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
forced. But Kenneth, if that was your child, 15 years old, somebody | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
does that to her, how would you feel? I had no choice. No, you had | :21:13. | :21:20. | |
a choice. I would be killed. It was a matter of either you die, or you | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
agree and you live. Banya was captured in 2004 by the | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
you goen Army. Despite his crimes, he was given an amnesty, and is now | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
a free man. How many girls did you rape in the bush? I did not, only | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
Grace and the other two. Only Grace and the other two. Yeah. Are you | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
proud of yourself for what you did to those girls? I am not proud | :21:45. | :21:52. | |
because if I was proud I would be talking proudly. I am only | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
disappointed with my life. Kenneth Banya, have you forgiven | :21:59. | :22:07. | |
him, will you forgive him? That is a very hard question. You know, | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
forgiveness comes from the heart. I feel as if something has been taken | :22:11. | :22:21. | |
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out of me. Something valuable has been taken out of me. | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
Back in the jungles of the central African Republic, the hunt for | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
Joseph Kony continues. The noose seems to be tightening. A military | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
offensive led by the Ugandan Army four years ago scattered his forces | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
across the region. Now it's estimated there are only 450LRA | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
fighters left. In May this year, just 60 miles | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
from where we are, the Ugandans captured a senior LRA commander. | :22:51. | :23:00. | |
This is his first television interview. | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
The long length of time Kony and his people, including myself, has | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
spent in the bush, and the hardship and experience we have gone through, | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
is what has given Kony the knowledge and skills to survive in | :23:11. | :23:21. | |
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the bush up until now. For almost 20 years, Achellam, seen | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
here, was one of Kony's right-hand men. Since his capture, he has | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
given the Ugandans vital intelligence about LRA movements. | :23:31. | :23:37. | |
Achellam is now calling for an end to the fighting. Many of my | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
colleagues are still in the bush and they should come out. They must | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
come out and there should be no more fighting. If Kony doesn't come | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
out, let him remain alone in the bush. | :23:51. | :24:01. | |
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So why has Joseph Kony been allowed to wage this war for so long? | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
The Ugandans are now spearheading the fight to capture him, but for | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
many years one of the biggest obstacles to defeating Kony came | :24:10. | :24:20. | |
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from within their own army. Corruption on a massive scale. | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
People were starting to profit from the war, so it became actually a | :24:26. | :24:35. | |
business. Therefore, I think people had less interest in ending it. And | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
that, I think, proved a very serious problem. | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
Most shocking was the discovery that around half the army only | :24:44. | :24:51. | |
existed on paper. The scandal became known as ghost soldiers. For | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
years, officers had inflated troop numbers to pocket wages and profit | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
from selling supplies destined for fictitious soldiers. | :25:01. | :25:08. | |
This secret Government report from 2003 reveals a plague, every single | :25:08. | :25:14. | |
Ugandan army unit was involved. So it was a huge, huge problem. How | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
far up it went I really can't say. From what you are telling me it's | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
clear that Kony has been a convenient enemy at the expense of | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
the lives of ordinary people? without doubt. Without doubt. | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
you think that corruption helped to drag this war to where it is today? | :25:34. | :25:42. | |
Oh, yeah, it contributed. It contributed to prolonging the war. | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
Despite past corruption, the you goen Army of today, backed by | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
American Special Forces, is widely believed to be the most effective | :25:52. | :25:58. | |
offensive force to end this war. But what about other African Armies | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
hunting the LRA? Any other force, other than the | :26:04. | :26:14. | |
Ugandan Army, the LRA doesn't fear. They only fear the Ugandan Army. | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
Feared they may be, but the fractious politics of the region | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
bars them from operating in Sudan and the Democratic Republic of | :26:22. | :26:29. | |
Congo. And, according to the President, Yoweri Museveni, Uganda | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
can't be expected to continue hunting Kony alone. Can you finish | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
this war without western support? Where we are now is an | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
international mission. It is not a domestic mission. We cannot be in | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
an international mission on domestic resources. Why? It's up to | :26:47. | :26:54. | |
the international community to help. An African Union Force of 5,000 | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
troops which could hunt for the LRA across the whole region was due to | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
begin operations in March, but it hasn't happened. International | :27:02. | :27:12. | |
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funding has yet to materialise. Fransisco Madeira is the man asking | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
for the money. You might call me a beggar, call me | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
whatever you want, but the truth of the matter is that the resources | :27:25. | :27:34. | |
are on one side, and the will is on the other and work has to be done. | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
If a true co-operation were to take place among countries involved in | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
this crisis, it would probably take a week to arrest Joseph Kony and to | :27:42. | :27:50. | |
put an end to his abuses. I can Tellez you whether it's going | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
to be tomorrow, the day after tomorrow or a month's time but | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
eventually the man is going to go down. Will Joseph Kony ever | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
surrender to face his accusers in the International Criminal Court? | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
Kony is afraid. He is really afraid. He is afraid of the accusation | :28:09. | :28:17. | |
against him in the Hague. Maybe the end has already been written. | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
would tell me things like, you know, I know exactly how I am going to | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
die. I am going to die like Hitler. One day people will wake up and | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
they will find out I have been dead for sometime. Is it too much to | :28:31. | :28:36. | |
hope that Kony's war may finally be drawing to an end? There is a | :28:36. | :28:39. |