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Tonight on Panorama, the rip-off which has cost our schools millions, | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
at a time when there's precious little money to go round. It's | :00:13. | :00:23. | |
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brought some schools to the brink of financial ruin. It has even | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
ended teachers' careers. He told us it was a scam. It was | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
like my world had just fallen apart. These are some of the men involved. | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
They've made themselves rich with sports cars, big houses and | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
holidays in the sun. For them to go and walk around in | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
their luxury houses with their swimming pools, the nice cars. | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
makes you sick. We name some of the hundreds of | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
schools around the country, saddled with huge debts. | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
The state is being ripped off by private companies trying to make a | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
quick buck at the expense of quality teaching for our kids. | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
And we catch up with some of those who personally profited at the | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
expense of our childrens' education. You're asking me questions that I | :01:12. | :01:22. | |
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Under surveillance by Panorama, this man's business has devastated | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
the lives of many head teachers and siphoned so much money from our | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
children's schools that some have been near to closure. A few miles | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
away, a fellow company director leaves his �1 million home. | :01:48. | :01:55. | |
And another, who has made a fortune from the same rip-off. The trio ran | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
computer supply companies, stripping them of millions and | :01:59. | :02:06. | |
leaving schools to pick up the bill. What they've done has been so | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
damaging, personally and financially, that few of of the | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
victims would speak to us. Then we met this former headteacher. | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
Why did you insist on being anonymous for this? For me as a | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
professional it was an incredibly difficult time. I still feel that | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
other people would think I was guiltyle doing something wrong. It | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
is out of fear for the reaction that there may be to the school or | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
from the local authority. Like in any other school, there was | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
pressure for her to keep up-to-date with the latest IT equipment. | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
She remembers the day a salesman called. | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
I remember him as being a small, Italian, lots of gold, lots of | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
jewellery. A big car. He was very aggressive. He was very | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
intimidating. Almost bullying in the sense he kept going, you will | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
have our business. I was very much saying that I needed to go to the | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
governors. We had a meeting tomorrow night, that I would take | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
that to them and get back with their view, but they would not | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
leave until I had signed something. She signed for 20 laptops and a | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
photocopier. She did not realise that the mark-up was almost 20 | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
times the going price. The final bill was �160,000. | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
If you had known how much money the school was to have to part with, | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
would you have signed it? The salesman worked for a company | :03:40. | :03:49. | |
run by Angelo Tinnerello. There was another, James Lowe. It | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
was one of those salesman that persuaded her to sign a contract | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
with a massive contract, that had far-reaching consequences for her | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
and her school. ADVERTISEMENT: In the meantime we | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
will do more written work... Schools used to be pretty | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
straightforward places the. The teachers used black boards. The | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
kids had nothing to write with but pens and nothing to write on but | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
paper. The food was primitive too. ADVERTISEMENT: I can't do it. I | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
have not go got a pen. What is the point of coming to school without a | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
pen? Now even primary schools want state-of-the-art laptops, smart | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
board and touch-screen technology. The companies took advantage of | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
schools with big IT ambitions, but two of the men we investigated went | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
further than simply overcharging. They had a scam to deceive schools | :04:49. | :04:56. | |
into thinking that their equipment would be free. This is how it works. | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
A flash salesman turns up at the school. He says that they can | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
supply all of the laptops and the photo coppice thankfully they want. | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
You are leasing them, but no you don't have to pay. They do that | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
because there is a special promotional offer. To the school | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
they are free. Then the supply company goes to a | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
bank. It says that a school has agreed to | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
pay all of this money for IT, to give them the funds to buy the | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
equipment and the bank gets the money back with interest from the | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
school. Then the equipment arrives, along | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
with the first bill. Remember, the salesman said that his supply | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
company will pay. They do, for a time. | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
But then, they go bust, leaving the school owing all of the money to | :05:44. | :05:51. | |
the banks. A debt which could hang over them for years. | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
To our anonymous headteacher, what seemed like a good deal ended her | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
career. My governors came in and suspended | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
On what grounds? On the grounds of financial irregularities. Acting | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
outside my remit of responsibility and signing leases. | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
How did you feel about that? Shocked. | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
Devastated. The company responsible was called | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
LTM. They were based in Hertfordshire. We began digging to | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
discover how many other schools had fallen for their scheme it was not | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
easy. The victims schools preferred to keep the losses quiet, but we | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
began to discover dozens of them. And not all were victims of LTM. | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
Other companies were pouring into the marketplace, cashing in on the | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
re-tooling of our classrooms. Whilst LTM had started conning head | :06:50. | :06:58. | |
teachers, others were charming them into paying vastly inflateed prices. | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
We invited a School Leasing Expert to guess just how much some of the | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
companies had been charging. Right, what we have here are three | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
pieces of equipment from three different schools that were taken | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
on leases. Local authorities told us the | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
prices. Some of them for rolling contracts over several years. | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
The first one is from a primary school in West Bromwich. I will | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
show you one of the manufacture charges. That is that price. | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
�458. What do you think that a leasing company may have charged? | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
Maybe a 15% mark-up. OK, so about �600 you are thinking? | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
Yes. This value is... �3,033. That is | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
about seven times more. That is very much more, isn't it? | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
Back in the old days, teachers did not sign big money contracts unless | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
they had been checked and approved by either the local authority or | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
experts at the Department for Education. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
But as the Government pushs to hand more financial independence to | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
schools, those experts have largely gone. They are victims of the cuts. | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
Debra Whittaker used to be one of them. | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
It was to help the schools to buy the things that they needed to | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
support the school in a way that avoided these kinds of pitfalls and | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
to get the best value from the budgets that they had. | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
It sounds like a good idea, why did it stop? The changing Government, | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
they decided, I guess, that it did not fit. | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
The Government's determined to free schools from local authority | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
control. Increasingly, they run their own | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
budgets, but it means that there are fewer experts for them to | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
consultant. That can end up with head teachers making some terrible | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
decisions. OK, so this is a fax machine from a | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
West Midlands secondary school. On the internet you can buy it for | :08:58. | :09:05. | |
that, �1,500. What is aroom price for a leasing company to charge? | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
Hmm well, you have the supplier, he will have a mark-up then the | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
finances company, he will back the purchase. So you will have more | :09:13. | :09:21. | |
money on top of that, but you wouldn't expect to be paying more | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
than �2,500. �10,000 would be bad? That would be | :09:27. | :09:34. | |
bad. �20,000? Terrible. | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
�30 ,000? Oh, dear. The price is �42,000. | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
Shocking. You wouldn't believe how few | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
schools have the financess to go it alone. There was a nationwide | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
inquiry to find out. The authorities we surveyed said | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
that most of their primary school had absolutely no financial | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
competence among the governing body which is supposed to oversee what | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
happens in the schools. Head teachers, of course, are not there, | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
they know thou run budgets, they are there bus they know how to | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
teach children to learn. We told Margaret Hodge, about the | :10:13. | :10:20. | |
money for school IT that had gone into directors' pockets. | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
All of my Committee get upset when we know we are in a world where the | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
public expenditure is cut and when we want the best education for our | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
children, that then the state is being ripped off by private | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
companies trying to make a quick buck at the expense of quality | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
teaching for our kids. Photocopiers, they are notorious in | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
schools? They are a bit. This one is from a primary school | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
in Essex. The manufacture would sell it for just over �10,000. Do | :10:53. | :11:00. | |
you want to have a punt at what the leasehold company charged? Well, it | :11:00. | :11:09. | |
could be anything up to �707,000? It is more than twice that, this | :11:09. | :11:19. | |
one is �174,000. For a photocopier? Yes. | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
Those prices have put some schools into serious long-term debt, but | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
how many? By this time we had discovered nearly00 victims of LTM | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
or a related company, affecting the education of about 70,000 children. | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
At Katesgrove School in Reading, for 330 laptops, they owe �1 | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
million and 110 of the laptops were never delivered. The headteacher | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
resigned. At St Joseph's Catholic School in | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
Slough, they're saddled with a debt of �1.4 million. The school nearly | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
had to close until some neighbouring schools stepped in to | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
help it out. The headteacher's been suspended | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
along with other members of staff N London, Gloucester Primary School's | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
laptops could be bought for �650 each, but they were charged �4,000 | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
each, including other equipment, the total debt was �1..9 million. | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
At Lying Primary School in the Midlands, the scammers got creative. | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
Last year they provided one set of laptops, but dishonestly convinced | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
two banks to provide finances, meaning that they got paid twice | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
for the same equipment. It is fraud. It is left -- it has left Lying | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
Primary School more than �1 million in debt and fatesing a bleak future. | :12:43. | :12:52. | |
The headteacher has resigned. Finally, we found a teacher who had | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
been stung and would agree to talk on camera. Liz Steel was the head | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
of Glemsford Primary School in Suffolk. When the salesman from LTM | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
appeared. He told her the story, that her IT equipment would be free, | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
thanks to a special promotional offer. | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
Liz signed. The company did pay their | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
instalments for a while, but not willingly. | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
We had to keep ringing up to get their side of it. | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
To get them to pay the banks. I was beginning to get a little worried, | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
but they sent in their so-called top salesman, he told us that there | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
was nothing to worry about. That the previous people had not been | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
running it properly, but now that everything was on track. | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
Then the supply company stopped paying for the school equipment. | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
The free promotion they claimed to have was a lie. The company went | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
into administration, removing itself from the deal and leaving | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
the school massively in debt to the bank. | :13:56. | :14:04. | |
Her school was left with 125 laptops for which they owed half a | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
million pounds to Clydesdale Bank who came to visit. | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
When the autoitor came in to count the equipment, he sat down and told | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
us it was a scam. It was like my world had just | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
fallen apart. I was well, I was in panic. | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Absolute panic. I saw my world collapsing in front of me, really. | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
I knew that this would be terrible. Devastating. | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
The governors faced a half a million pound bill and a bat toll | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
stop the school shutting down, but the local authority stepped in and | :14:45. | :14:55. | |
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after 40 years in teaching, the I went into school and I was told | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
that they were on their way to suspend me and I was advised to | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
leave the building. I left the building and the suspension took | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
place in the car on the way home. Meanwhile, Angelo Tinerello had | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
made himself rich. James Lowe left the company in early 2010. But not | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
before sharing a salary of �1.6 million with Angelo Tinerello. | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
After that, the company appeared on the surface to be booming, with | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
millions of pounds passing through its accounts. It was employing | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
dozens of staff, targeting schools, sending out pressure sales man, and | :15:34. | :15:43. | |
persuading headteachers to sign of the -- signed the most outlandish | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
contracts. It may be a mark of how well they were doing. There was no | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
Ford Mondeo company car for these people. They preferred something a | :15:52. | :16:02. | |
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The company cars were Maseratis, In our photograph of LTM's offices, | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
you can see two Maseratis parked outside. Some former sales men | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
agreed to tell us the view from the inside in the months before the | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
company went bust. Their words are spoken by actors. They would take | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
their favourite away on trips. The trip to Las Vegas with �5,000 | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
spending money was the top prize. They were massive gamblers. On | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
their computers they would always have betting website open and work | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
functions were always at the races and casinos. LTM went out of | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
business with debts of �16 million. So where did all the money go? Lots | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
seems to have gone to directors. According to the paperwork, in 2008, | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
when James Lowe was still a director, he and Angelo Tinerello | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
took out a mysterious director's loan of �1.8 million between them. | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
Money that came at the expense of children's education. James Lowe | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
lives in this grand house in Hertfordshire. When our team | :17:25. | :17:35. | |
visited, the man himself emerged. What are you doing? We are from | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
Panorama. We are doing a programme about LTM. What about it? I sold my | :17:40. | :17:48. | |
shares two years ago. As far as I know, the company has now gone bust. | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
Who did you sell the shares to? Angelo Tinerello. Do you know | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
anything about the company ripping off scores and allegations of scams | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
against schools? I have heard about it but I don't know why you are at | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
my house. There was no rip-off when you were the director and | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
shareholder? Absolutely not. That is not true. Schools were ripped | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
off when he was a director and on at least one occasion he was | :18:16. | :18:24. | |
personally involved. Our suspended a teacher dealt with him directly. | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
-- headteacher. Yes, James Lowe was director of the company at that | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
point and he knew about that deal. I know because I have several | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
emails from him. And what about his share of that �1.8 million loan | :18:39. | :18:45. | |
mentioned in the accounts? I did not get �900,000. It is in the | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
company accounts. 2009. Did the money come to me? It did not. Speak | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
to the insolvency people. Have I received �900,000? I would tell you. | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
I am happy for you to go through any financial implications that I | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
have. So the accounts of false? They are not balls. You are being | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
very clever and putting words in my mouth. -- they are not false. You | :19:11. | :19:18. | |
are asking the questions that I have no control over. LTM was then | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
joined by another company based in the very same heart which offers. | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
This was its sister company, DTS. - - heart picture of this. This | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
company acted in a similar way. Many of the staff were also the | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
same. The director of LTM was a Sicilian called Gino Graffato. His | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
family are originally from the small town of Roccamena in the | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
Mafia heartland. According to his former staff, he could not resist | :19:49. | :19:55. | |
playing up the connection. Gino Graffato enjoyed holidays in Sicily. | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
He had a property on a clifftop and he used to make jokes about being | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
the Italian Mafia. When I questioned him about it, he just | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
laughed it off. Even in his company records, there is an Italian | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
connection. The main shareholder of LTM is listed as Nostra Asset | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
Management Trust. One of his victims was a primary school in | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
Berkshire. Dedworth School, with just over 200 children, was like | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
many others and struggling financially when the offer of free | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
laptops came along. It seemed like the answer to all their prayers. It | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
was the then headteacher who was targeted and who signed the offer | :20:39. | :20:49. | |
of free equipment. I knew nothing about it as chair of governors. It | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
was not something that we were really aware of and it was a bit of | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
it surprise when we started to discover that we had a large amount | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
of money to pay off. The deal was for 40 laptops but within a year, | :21:01. | :21:10. | |
fewer than half of them are still working. Cara and Jamie have | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
children at the school and both of them are governors. Good to see you. | :21:15. | :21:23. | |
These are the laptops? Yes. How many do we have here? Around 10. | :21:23. | :21:33. | |
And this cost, what? �120,000? �120,000. And these are the only | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
ones that work? My understanding is that you have ditched the other | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
ones. And this one has got a note on, not connected to the internet. | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
Are sown some of these are not working properly either. -- also | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
some of these. It is my children's lives. Everybody, not good. Would | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
they have done this to their own children's school, their education | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
and the reputation of the school? 200 children at debt with school | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
have been left struggling with malfunctioning computers and now | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
the teaching budget faces cuts. sales techniques used by these | :22:09. | :22:15. | |
people are very clever. And people are very manipulative and the use | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
techniques that means that you do not necessarily question everything | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
that is being told to you. When DTS and LTM went bust, they owed �30 | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
million. Much of it was to schools and banks. We took Cara and Jamie | :22:33. | :22:43. | |
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to visit the homes of the directors. �1.5 million house, not bad. Lovely, | :22:44. | :22:53. | |
actually. This is one of Angelo Tinerello's properties. It is the | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
address he gives at Companies House. I know people that have worked hard | :22:57. | :23:04. | |
all their lives and they have not got anything like this. I mean | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
proper people, hard-working people. It just makes you sick. It seems he | :23:11. | :23:20. | |
does not actually live in that one but another one round the corner. | :23:20. | :23:30. | |
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Most people at school live in council flats. This is Gino | :23:32. | :23:42. | |
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Graffato's house, the man with the Think how easy it has been for them | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
to get into our school and other ones as well. Just to take money | :23:53. | :24:02. | |
that his -- is scarce for our children and their education, for | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
them to walk around in their luxury houses with swimming pools and a | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
nice cars. It is criminal. They might wonder who is there to stop | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
schools making such terrible mistakes in the future. Schools are | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
getting more and more independence from local Government. That is the | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
trend of this Government's policy. In the old days, the local | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
authority would have intervened because they would have had | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
responsibility for ensuring that and they do have some powers. But | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
in the New World with academies and free schools, Michael Gove himself | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
will have to take responsibility if a school goes bust. It is megabucks | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
you are talking about here and it is quite shocking. I think that you | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
have raised issues that my committee will want to pursue. | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
Education Secretary Michael Gove declined an interview but his | :24:53. | :25:03. | |
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department says that they are trying to help local schools with | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
fraudulent suppliers. They say they give her advice to schools, | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
sometimes through the Government website. But there is someone else | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
in the equation that we have not talked about yet. This can only | :25:17. | :25:25. | |
works if the banks play ball. They signed off the loan so they must | :25:25. | :25:33. | |
know how much the equipment costs. Do they have a responsibility? | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
probably do not have a legal responsibility but they do have a | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
moral responsibility. If I was sitting in a major bank knowing | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
that supply companies are fleecing our schools, I would accept my | :25:45. | :25:53. | |
moral imperative. I would intervene on behalf of the education sector. | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
Industry insiders claim that the banks have been blinded by the | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
prospect of making big profit from cast-iron loans backed ultimately | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
by the public purse. They have huge funds invested in school leases, | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
around �300 million across the UK. Much of it is entirely legitimate. | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
But what about that moral imperative to look out on behalf of | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
the education sector? None of the banks would talk. They put up their | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
trade body instead. What kind of checks would your members make | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
before allowing one of these huge leases to go through? Typically | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
what would happen is that members would check with the school, in | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
this case, that the goods that they are acquiring of the ones that they | :26:44. | :26:51. | |
want. And at the price that they have struck with the supplier. | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
about the value for money and the fairness of the deal? Value for | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
money is something that the school have to take account of in making | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
the purchase in the first place. One bank dealing with DTS was | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
Clydesdale, which has been pursuing 27 schools for money owed. We put a | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
series of questions to the bank and then late last week they did | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
something unexpected. How much do you owe at the moment to Clydesdale | :27:18. | :27:25. | |
Bank? �210,000. We spoke to them last night. They have said that | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
they will fight the debt a way. They will clear it completely, so | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
you owe them nothing. That is amazing. Thank you so much. That is | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
fantastic for the school and the staff and children. It is great | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
news for us but we would like to see everybody cleared. I think a | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
lot of places have been affected and a lot of banks have been | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
involved and it would be great to see everyone cleared of those debts. | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
Following our investigation, Clydesdale has now agreed to write | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
off the debts of for of its schools, freeing them from repayments of | :27:59. | :28:08. | |
many millions of pounds. -- for all of its schools. So what about | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
Angelo Tinerello and Gino Graffato? The police are now investigating | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
their activities. Tomorrow morning many more teachers around the | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
country will be examining their records to see if they have signed | :28:19. | :28:27. |