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The NHS. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
A national institution since 1948. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Promising free health care to the residents of Britain. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
But now, we reveal how NHS managers can cash in on that promise. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
So how much is that in total? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
800? That's a bit much. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
Every year, the NHS is being used by thousands | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
of so-called health tourists - | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
foreign nationals who are not entitled to its care | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
and who don't pay for the privilege. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
Using journalists from all over the world, we go undercover | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
in a black market where access to GPs is being bought and sold. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
We find out how easy it is for health tourists | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
to get X-rays, MRI scans and blood tests in hospital for free. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
Did anybody ever ask you if you were ordinarily resident in the country? | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Nobody did. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
Critics say the whole system is flawed. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
This is the poor old NHS being given the task | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
of implementing something which is unworkable. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
We discover how the NHS is losing millions of pounds | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
to other European countries. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
And how our NHS passport into Europe is wide open to fraud. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
'Tonight on Panorama, as the NHS struggles to make savings, we show | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
'how secret health tourists cost us millions.' | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
-You've been abusing your position. -I haven't done anything. Sorry. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
Britain is one of the most multicultural societies on earth. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Every year, thousands of tourists and migrants come here | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
for pleasure, to do business or to make a better life for themselves. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
So how much of our public services SHOULD they be allowed to use? | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
The short answer is, it's not clear. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Despite recent NHS guidance, we've discovered continuing uncertainty | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
about who has the right to register with a GP. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Hospitals are a different story. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
Most foreigners should pay for hospital services, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
either in person or through their governments. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Now, all of this has led to confusion | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
and left the system open to abuse. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
SIRENS | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
We began our investigation in the spring, by finding out | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
whether we could buy our way into the GP system. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
Through contacts in Lagos, we've been given | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
the details of a Nigerian in London called Femi, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
who says he gets health tourists | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
registered with a doctor for a price. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
'I'm going to meet a Nigerian journalist | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
'who now lives here, Francis. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
'He'll be pretending he's come to Britain | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
'to get treatment he's not entitled to.' | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
Hi. I'm Declan. Nice to meet you, how are you doing? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
He says he can get someone registered with a GP for a price. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
Film what happens next, go along with it, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
-and see if he can get you registered as he says he can. -All right. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
It's early June. Our man Francis | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
has arranged to meet the fixer in Woolwich, south-east London. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
If the fixer, Femi, can get us registered with the GP, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
it will be the first step to getting free treatment on the NHS. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Francis heads to the bookies' and waits. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
And then the fixer, Femi, arrives. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
We have given Francis a medical complaint - | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
a problem with his legs known as restless leg syndrome, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
a nervous condition which causes discomfort, particularly at night. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
It's enough to make Femi curious. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
So can this fixer get us registered, no questions asked, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
at a doctor's surgery? | 0:04:42 | 0:04:43 | |
'Femi is offering an open door' | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
'into the NHS. But it doesn't come cheap. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
'He says we'll have to pay £300 for the privilege.' | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
'It looks like Francis is about to enter the system. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
'The common term for what he's doing is health tourism. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
'The NHS is a magnet for people of all backgrounds, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
'some wealthy, some not. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
'But it has its own police force to fight fraud. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
'I went to meet its former head.' | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
I can think of examples of people who came from China | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
to actually obtain free treatment. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
There are examples from Africa too. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
But it would be wrong to imagine that there is one source of people | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
who come to this country to actually seek free health treatment, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
wherever their own countries | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
don't provide the quality of health care that they would want, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
or they're seeking to get something on the cheap. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
'Gail Beer is the former head of a large London hospital. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
'She believes when it comes to health tourism, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
'the biggest problem isn't people flying in for treatment, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
'but people already here who need to access the system.' | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
We define it as health tourism, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
but in fact that's a small number of people who come over here | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
deliberately to have a particular treatment. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
There is a much larger number | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
who are not eligible for treatment, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:32 | |
because they're not ordinarily resident. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
It may be an illegal immigrant. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
But on the other hand, it's ex-pats who've lived abroad | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
and then come back into this country. So there's quite a wide range. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
For illegal immigrants living in a shadow economy, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
becoming ill can be a costly and dangerous business. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
It can lead to them being exploited by unscrupulous middlemen. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
I wanted to meet one for myself, so I'm going undercover, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
and I'll be helped by our second undercover operative, Raj. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
'We had heard that in immigrant communities all over the country, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
'these middlemen were taking cash to get people access to doctors.' | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
..A man by the name of Ayub... | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
'He's made contact with a middleman in the Indian community | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
'who claims he can register you with a doctor at a practice | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
'that normally requires ID. To see if that's true, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
'I'm pretending to be an illegal immigrant from Kosovo | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
'who has severe back pain.' | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
And you're going to go by the name of Dardan Luma. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
Dardan Luma. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
'It's risky, but it will allow me to meet the middleman up close.' | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
So we're on our way to meet Ayub. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
He's given us a time and a place to meet him. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
Now, he says he can get me a legitimate NHS card | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
and also get me on a doctor's list. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
And that will be the first step | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
towards me getting treated for free on the NHS. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Ayub? Dardan. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
'I tell him I've got a bad back and I need a doctor.' | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
'What will I actually get for my money?' | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
'I ask how many times I can see the doctor.' | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
'Ayub has bought my Dardan Luma character, the Kosovan alias. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
'Dardan is going to get his own NHS number on the doctor's card | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
'and a place on a doctor's list. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
'Remember, everything about Dardan is fake - his name, his address, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
'his date of birth. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
'Now it's a waiting game to see if Ayub delivers.' | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Back in south London, and we've heard from Femi again. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
He's the Nigerian fixer, promising our undercover man | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
posing as a health tourist free treatment on the NHS. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
And he's offering a personal service. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
He takes our secret health tourist, Francis, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
to be registered at a GP's surgery. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Together, they fill in the registration form. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
It looks like the fixer has delivered on his promise. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
Francis is registered. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
So is the fixer, Femi, telling the truth? | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Does he have someone on the inside? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
Or is this service available to anyone who walks into the surgery | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
with a friend from overseas? | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
To find out, we call the surgery to check. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
To see how they'd handle a request from any other overseas visitor. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
They told us they wouldn't register a health tourist. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
So Femi is getting a service not available to the rest of us. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
It looks like he's got an arrangement to register | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
whoever he wants, no questions asked. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
And by taking cash for this service, he may be committing fraud. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
So should the NHS be opened up | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
to anyone who has made it to this country? | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Or should it draw a line in the sand | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
and deliver only emergency treatment | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
to people who are not entitled to care, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
as happens in some other countries? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Nice to meet you... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
'That has become a hot political issue. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
'The pressure group, Migration Watch, campaigns on immigration.' | 0:11:56 | 0:12:02 | |
It's a National Health Service. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
It's not an international health service. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Our founding fathers... Nye Bevan, I'm sure, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
didn't think he was going to provide | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
a service that provided health care for the whole world. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
That wasn't what it was all about. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
And it shouldn't be. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:16 | |
But others believe that | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
the regulations governing the health service | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
should allow it to treat EVERYONE in the UK. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Visitors, residents, and illegal immigrants alike. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
It is going to cause damage to individuals' health. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
The other side of it is public health as well. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
If you're dealing with contagious diseases of one sort or other, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
then there could be other victims as a result of poor regulation. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
Under the current system, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
some vulnerable illegal immigrants are paying middlemen | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
so that they get treatment on the NHS | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
without questions about their immigration status. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
But for a few, accessing the NHS below the radar | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
can come at a huge personal cost. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
Meet Daljit. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
He's an illegal immigrant who got | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
£15,000 worth of free treatment on the NHS. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
In 1996, Daljit was smuggled into the UK from India | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
and worked illegally on building sites. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
He began to feel debilitating pain in his hips. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
It turned out that long hours operating a pneumatic drill | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
had destroyed his hip joints. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
He needed help. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
So this is a middleman? | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
'Daljit says he had no choice | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
'because, officially, he didn't exist.' | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Did the GP know that you were an illegal immigrant? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
He says the hospital did ask him | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
if he was living here legally. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
He simply lied. And nobody checked. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
So you got treated, then, on the NHS? | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
Yeah. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
What did they do for you? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
What was wrong with your right leg? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Right, so you've had a double hip replacement? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
On the NHS? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
Following his hip replacement, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
Daljit should have seen his GP regularly. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
But, remember, he was operating through a middleman. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Every GP visit would have cost him money. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
That's why, four years after his operation, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
he's in bad shape. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
So this is where you live? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:13 | |
This place is horrible. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
And...you must be freezing here at night? Are you? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Now he's desperate to go home to India. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
He claims he asked the Home Office to deport him, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
but he says they refused. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Back in Southall, our undercover reporter | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
has met up with the middleman | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
to check whether my alias, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
the Kosovan builder, Dardan Luma, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
has got his doctor's appointment. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
To make sure it's done, the middleman is introducing us | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
to his accomplice, one step up the chain - | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Chamanlal. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:14 | |
Chamanlal has promised our man will be an NHS patient soon. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
So far, we've uncovered a world of middlemen | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
and fixers who have paved the way | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
into GP surgeries from the outside. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
Then, we heard about an NHS insider | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
working within the system. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
He's a practice manager here in Birmingham, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
said to be arranging access for health tourists to doctors. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
'Our undercover man, Raj, has already been to see him.' | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
-You've made a contact? -Yes. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
I've made a contact with a man called Asif Butt. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
'And it appears he's willing to do business.' | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
I let it be known to him my cover, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
which is that I'm a travel agent, tour operator, based here, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
who is taking care of wealthy clients from India. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
But our undercover man isn't working alone. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
Meet our next undercover operative. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
She's an English journalist, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
but that's not what she'll be telling the NHS practice manager. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
And your name is going to be Preeti Tagar. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
Preeti Tagar. OK. Got it. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Raj's cover story is that Preeti is his niece. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
He'll say she's just arrived from India | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
and is not entitled to NHS care. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
A health tourist. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
Asif Butt greets us outside | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
the large Sparkbrook Health Centre in Birmingham | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
where he's one of the practice managers. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
He ushers our man, Raj, into a doctors' private room. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
Asif had already offered to register Preeti at the centre | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
without the ID they normally request. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
We wanted to know how he was progressing. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Our undercover reporter has already discussed that he may have | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
tourists from his travel agency who are interested. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
Asif is keen. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
Asif then hands us the registration forms for our potential | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
health tourists - 14 of them. It looks like open house on the NHS. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
12, 13, 14. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
It seems it couldn't be simpler. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Our fictitious health tourists don't even need to show up. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
All we have to do is fill in the forms, and they are in. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
Asif tells us that he's not processed a big group of health tourists like this before, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
but he has done them one at a time. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Having sworn us to secrecy, Asif says he'll be in touch soon. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
Until recently, there was huge confusion in the system | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
as to whether health tourists and illegal immigrants had the right to register on an NHS list. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
Some GPs did, many didn't. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
But in July of this year, an NHS body issued a clarification of the guidance. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:03 | |
Doctors are now told overseas visitors, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
whether lawfully in the UK or not, ARE eligible to register with a GP. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
The guidance adds that GPs should NOT turn down patients | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
because they fail to provide proof of ID or address. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
In effect, GPs are advised they should now take all comers. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
It follows a number of successful legal challenges to GPs | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
who have refused primary care to illegal immigrants. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
Adam Hunt is one of the lawyers leading these challenges. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
A particularly memorable case that I dealt with was | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
a young and vulnerable teenage mother. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
She had a young baby, she'd been a victim of sex trafficking, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
and the baby was a result of enforced prostitution. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
And before she came to me for help, she'd spent nine, 12 months | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
looking for a GP and being turned away and turned away and turned away. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
How many cases have you taken against GPs who've refused to register people? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
Er, I suppose probably about 30 or 40 over the last two or three years. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:11 | |
-And have you ever lost? -No. No, no-one's fought any of them. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
I suspect because as soon as they take legal advice, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
they know that they... That we are right. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
But not everyone agrees. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:25 | |
Dr Chris Clayton-Payne has a practice in rural Saffron Walden. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
He says his surgery still sees | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
eight to ten overseas visitors a week. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
The guidance changed radically in July of this year | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
when we received an e-mail from the NHS Primary Care Commissioning organisation. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
And quite clearly states who is and who is not entitled | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
to National Health Service care in the UK as an overseas visitor. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:56 | |
-That is, basically, everybody is now entitled to... -Everybody? -Everybody. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
We are not allowed to make any discrimination. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
What's your reaction to that? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
It seems very strange, when we are shaving off the pennies here and there, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
to actually open the door wide open to the citizens of the world | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
to walk in and have free medical care at primary care level in the UK. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
I went to ask the health minister at her constituency office about the change in guidance. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
If doctors are now obliged to register everyone, though, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
isn't it the case that the system is therefore open to abuse? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
We know there are abuses, but we know that some GP practices | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
put quite strict rules and regulations in place | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
before they will accept somebody on their books, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
and we've got to tighten up the system. That's why we're having the review. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
But the government review into how the NHS deals with overseas visitors | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
won't be out until next year. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
For the time being, many GPs seem unaware of the new guidance. | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
Each of the surgeries where our undercover operatives are buying black-market access | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
officially still has a policy of not registering health tourists or demanding ID. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:12 | |
Meanwhile, the black market prospers. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
In West London, Chamanlal meets us again to let us know | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
how the registration of the Kosovan immigrant, Dardan Luma, is going. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
Chamanlal seems happy to do this for illegal immigrants like Dardan, but that's not all. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
Chamanlal is confident that he's selling access not just to a GP, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
but to the whole NHS. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
Dardan Luma is registered with a doctor, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
and by selling a place on a GP's list, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Chamanlal may be committing fraud. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
And the doctor's appointment has come through. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
So I'm handing over the Dardan Luma identity | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
to an Eastern European, Alex, who's really from the region. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
-Hi. -Hi. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
'Alex will be better placed to answer any questions that might come up about Dardan Luma's background.' | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
We'll see how far we can get, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
-and I'll meet you afterwards and see what happens. -Definitely. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
-All right, good luck with it. -Thank you. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Back in Birmingham, our undercover operative is meeting Asif Butt, the NHS practice manager. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:12 | |
He wants to talk money. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
Raj's fictitious niece is registered with a doctor, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
and Asif has offered to help a group of Indian tourists get registered | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
so they can come here for medical treatment. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
Asif's services don't come cheap. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
Even registering Raj's fictitious niece, Preeti, will be expensive. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
Asif says there are four mystery men further along the chain, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
all of whom need to be paid off. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Raj is now apparently paying off Mr Butt and four other people. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
The cost is rising fast. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
We only have £500 on us, so we promise to come back with the rest. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
Asif tells us we're getting a bargain. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Finally, Asif makes an appointment for Preeti with a doctor for the following week. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
By selling access to the GP's list, he may be committing fraud. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
There is no suggestion that anyone else at the clinic | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
was involved in this, or received any money from Asif Butt. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
By now, each of our undercover patients, through the fixer, the middleman and practice manager, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:15 | |
has been registered with a GP, and has an NHS number to show for it. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
The next step will be to introduce them to hospitals. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
But the rules are different when it comes to secondary care, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
to hospital care. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
Then, only people who are ordinarily resident in the UK, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
who have been here for more than a year, are entitled to free care. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
Virtually everybody else should pay. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
But we've been hearing problems | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
with how hospital checks work in practice. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
We've been told that being registered with a GP means | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
many overseas visitors are accepted into the system, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
no questions asked. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Pam Ward was responsible for ensuring overseas visitors | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
pay their bills in hospital. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
So a GP's referral could be a gateway into the system? | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
Very easily. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:11 | |
GPs would send a referral, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
there's no mandatory obligation for a GP | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
to identify an overseas patient | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
or a possible overseas patient to the hospital, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
so it could easily not get picked up. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
They have an English address, a registered GP, an NHS number, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:31 | |
so there is really no way that the hospital will pick up from that. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
It's a common criticism from those making checks on overseas visitors. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
Once the hospital receives | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
a referral from a general practitioner, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
I think there's an assumption | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
that that patient is eligible for treatment. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
Not an unreasonable assumption - | 0:30:49 | 0:30:50 | |
you would think that's something that had been checked with the GP, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
so many staff won't check. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
We've decided to put that to the test. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
Remember, we have three undercover reporters | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
all now registered in the NHS on fraudulent grounds. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
Could they obtain free hospital treatment | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
without anyone really checking who they are | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
or whether they're entitled to NHS care? | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
According to our NHS insider Asif Butt, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
that's not going to be a problem. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
Asif coaches us on how Preeti should behave to slip through the system. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
Asif logs on to the surgery's computer system | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
to find out more about Preeti's medical condition. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
£800 to get into the NHS. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
A bargain, according to Asif. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
It's the day of the scan. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
Time to see if it's really as easy | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
for someone who isn't entitled to get treatment as Asif makes out. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
Just outside the hospital here at Heartlands in Birmingham, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
about to go in for my MRI scan. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Preeti goes for the scan, which, if she was a real health tourist | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
and paid privately, would have cost about £800. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
But did the hospital detect her? | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
So how did that go? What happened in the hospital? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
Basically, went in with my appointment card. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
I was asked to confirm my name, which is obviously my fake name, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
my date of birth, which I gave the fake date of birth, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
and also the first line of the address, which was also fake. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
And apart from that I was taken in, had the MRI scan, came out. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
So all of the information you gave in the hospital was fake? | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
Correct, yeah. Everything. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:23 | |
So did anyone ever ask you | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
if you were ordinarily resident in the country, or...? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Nobody did. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:30 | |
If our undercover reporter was a real health tourist, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
the MRI scan could be just the beginning | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
of a lifetime of free health care. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
We asked Heartlands Hospital about their failure | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
to check Preeti's residency. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
They said that on this occasion, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
as the patient was referred via a known local GP practice, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
they assumed that they would have had to give details | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
of their home address and national insurance number | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
when registering at the doctor's. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
And what about Francis, who paid rather less - £300 - | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
to the Nigerian fixer Femi, to join a South London practice? | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
I caught up with him | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
close to St Thomas' Hospital in central London. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
So, how's it going? Where are we at, at the moment? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
So I've been in to see the GP. I described my condition to her, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
and she said it must be restless legs syndrome. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
Restless legs syndrome? | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
Yeah, and she gave me a referral to come to St Thomas' for some tests. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
-Oh, so you're going for some blood tests? -Blood tests. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
-So you're in the system now? -Yeah. That's what it looks like. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
I'm in the system, yeah. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
This is the form our undercover health tourist got from the doctor. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
It's a routine referral for blood tests to a hospital, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
but really, it's his ticket from the primary care system, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
which is the GP system, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:55 | |
into the secondary care system, which is hospitals. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Francis is going into the hospital for his blood tests. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
St Thomas' did not check whether he was eligible for free treatment | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
before doing the tests, and he wasn't asked for any payment. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
A procedure that would have cost about £100 privately. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
We asked Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital why they didn't check | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
our undercover man's story. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
They said they believed that in the vast majority of cases, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
patient eligibility would be established before treatment. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
They added that they've implemented more rigorous checks in A&E, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
which they anticipate extending to other outpatient services. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
'That's two of our undercover operatives | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
'who've had free treatment, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
'but could the third get a free X-ray? | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
'I caught up with Alex, who had taken on my role as Dardan Luma, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
'the Kosovan builder, to find out.' | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
The last time I saw you, you were on your way to the doctor. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
-You done that now? -Yes, I did. I went to visit my GP. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
I asked for a referral to go to hospital and have an X-ray. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
He gave me one. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
This particular hospital, actually, is said to be | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
at the forefront of policing this kind of thing, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
so we would expect them... | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
-To check and ask? OK. Let's try. Let's see. -OK. Let's do it. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
'West Middlesex University Hospital. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
'It's been held up in Parliament as an example of best practice | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
'for identifying and charging overseas visitors. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
'So if Dardan Luma is going to be exposed anywhere, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
'it should be here.' | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
'Within 20 minutes, the X-ray for his bad back is all done.' | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
-That was really quick, wasn't it? -Very quick indeed. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-So I was with you at reception - they didn't ask much there. -No. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
They only asked, when I gave them the referral paper, my name, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
date of birth, and address. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
Now this hospital is quite close to Heathrow, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
and it's said to be at the forefront of policing | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
whether people are really entitled to care, but today, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
for Dardan Luma, it was plain sailing. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
When we approached West Middlesex, they told us that in this case, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
because the patient was referred by a GP, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
staff assumed he was entitled to free NHS treatment. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
The hospital said it was retraining staff always to double-check | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
that GP-referred patients are entitled to free testing. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
Generally, it said it's confident that its systems are very robust. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
Now, one of the reasons staff may not be checking is because | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
the rules on who should and shouldn't pay | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
are just so complicated. Have a look at this. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
This is the Government guidance on the issue. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
It's nearly 100 pages long - not exactly light reading. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
And this concerns who should pay | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
and the kind of questions they should be asked. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
The guidance all hinges on one key term. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
"Ordinarily resident" is a phrase which sounds good common sense, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
but when it comes down to actually implementing it, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
the policy is often unworkable. This is the poor old NHS | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
being given the task of implementing something which is unworkable. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
How does it work on the ground? | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
People do their best to try and recover the money | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
after patients have often dispersed back around the world. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
That's an even harder task. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
Hospitals are meant to check if a patient is entitled to care, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
whether they're referred by a GP | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
or arrive through Accident and Emergency. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
A&E itself is free, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
but overseas visitors should pay for any further treatment. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
The hospitals we tested with our undercover reporters | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
let them through without a problem. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
But what's the national picture? | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
To find out, we asked all 171 trusts in England and Wales | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
about their checks to identify overseas visitors. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
133 of them responded, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
and those responses were checked by two experts. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
They found that 45 trusts, a third of them, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
were not following Government guidance. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
'I put those results to the Health Minister.' | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
-And a third of them are not doing the checks? -Yes. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
Actually, I think, if I was being honest about it, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
I'm surprised it's not | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
-more than that. -Really? -Yes! | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
Because we know that there is... We KNOW there is a real problem | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
and that is why we are having the review. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
The hospital trust which appears to be one of the weakest | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
at detecting unentitled overseas visitors | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
was the Worcestershire Acute NHS Trust. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
They said they'd identified just one health tourist | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
in the last four years, charging them a grand total of £889, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:44 | |
despite serving a multicultural community. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
It turns out that the Worcestershire Trust | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
doesn't have anyone responsible for identifying overseas visitors. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
Chris Skidmore is a Conservative MP who campaigns on this issue. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
The fact that we don't have somebody | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
specifically co-ordinating and recording | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
does suggest that's one of the reasons why so few people | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
have actually ended up being logged on their books | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
as being not eligible for care. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
-Save the NHS! -Save the NHS! | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
Worcestershire is a trust under pressure. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
It has to make savings of £50 million by 2015. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
A&E and maternity services at Redditch Alexandra Hospital are at risk. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Locals are up in arms at the proposed cuts, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
so could Worcestershire be wasting valuable resources | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
by not charging overseas visitors? | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
Worcestershire said it was committed to managing its finances effectively | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
and that losses have to be judged against the costs of recovery. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
It said whilst it doesn't have a specific role, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
it does have systems to monitor and recover money | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
owed by overseas patients. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
It said it was currently in the process of recovering money | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
from three such patients. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
It's government policy that hospitals should make these checks | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
so what does the new minister say? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
You might be surprised. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
There are many people who are watching this programme, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
probably myself amongst them, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
who would be offended, frankly, if every time I went to hospital, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
I was effectively being asked to prove | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
I was entitled to free NHS treatment. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
I don't think anybody wants that system. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
What we don't want are the abuses. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
Despite the obvious confusion in the system, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
some overseas visitors are identified and charged, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
but how many? | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
Well, we asked all of the 190 hospital trusts in the UK. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
121 trusts told us that in the last four years, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
just under 40,000 overseas visitors had been detected. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
But is that anything like the full story? | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
I think the scale of the problem is really difficult to find. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
We just don't know how many people there are on the system | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
because the processes we have in place are not robust enough. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
So we don't know because the system just doesn't pick people up? | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
We don't know because the system isn't picking people up. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
So how much is overseas visitors' failure to pay | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
actually costing the NHS? | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
Well, Panorama asked all 190 hospital trusts in the country | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
how much money they've had to write off | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
or how much is still outstanding | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
from the treatment of foreign visitors since 2008. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
147 of them gave us a response | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
and they told us that just under £40 million is outstanding | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
or has had to be written off | 0:42:32 | 0:42:33 | |
in the last four years. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
But that's just when hospitals actually do detect | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
the overseas visitors. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
How many thousands don't get picked up and billed? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
I do think it's the tip of the iceberg. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
40 million, some people will say, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
"That's not much compared to the £110 billion budget of the NHS." | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
But when you look at some of the trusts who've come back and said, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
"We have no bills whatsoever that are owed to us," | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
that's clearly not the case. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:00 | |
They've clearly not been collecting the data. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
So the NHS seems to be haemorrhaging cash | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
and we simply don't know how much. But beyond our shores, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
there's another way in which the NHS | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
is paying out money it doesn't need to. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
And it's all to do with this... | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
-ADVERTISEMENT: -This is the magic key. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
A European Health Insurance Card or EHIC. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
Like these holidaymakers, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:25 | |
every year, millions of European citizens travel throughout Europe | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
and during their holiday, thousands of people need urgent medical care. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
If you fall ill in Europe, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
you can use this card and the country you're in | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
will bill the NHS for the cost of your treatment, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
so you might think there'd be close scrutiny of who gets an EHIC card. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
Think again. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:50 | |
In fact, in Southall, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:54 | |
our middleman Chamanlal is getting them for anyone | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
who's willing to pay him for the privilege. | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
We asked Chamanlal if he can get us a card | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
in a randomly chosen fictitious name. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
To get the card, we'll have to supply a National Insurance number. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
It should be an important check in the system to stop fraud. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
But it's no problem, according to Chamanlal. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
He'll provide one. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:37 | |
It costs us £340 for the EHIC card | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
and for that, we also get a National Insurance card | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
in the name of a fictitious tourist. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
It seems that if you've got the cash and contacts, it's easy. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:03 | |
And just over a fortnight later, it arrived - | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
a genuine EHIC card in a fake name. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
It's time to pick up the National Insurance card from the middleman. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
Then we pay him the remainder of his cash for the EHIC card | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
and the fake National Insurance card. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
Now, with this EHIC, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
if the fictitious health tourist fell ill anywhere in Europe, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
he would get treatment | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
and the NHS would pay the bill. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
In fact, it seems so easy, I decide to try it for myself. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
I'm going to use the online registration form | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
to apply for an EHIC, but every detail I put on there will be fake | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
or using details which don't match. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
I'll start with my invented illegal immigrant from Kosovo. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
Now, what I'm doing here is applying for an EHIC card for Dardan Luma | 0:46:21 | 0:46:26 | |
but I'm not going to use the NHS number associated with him. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
In fact, I'm going to use a completely different one. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
Now, you'd think that's the kind of basic inconsistency | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
that the system should pick up on. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
We've rebooted this exercise six times | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
and each time, we got a real EHIC card. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
Here it is - the card for the illegal immigrant Dardan Luma. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
Each card is for a completely fictitious person. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
The system is wide open to fraud - | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
fraud that's paid for by the NHS. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:01 | |
We informed the Department of Health about this vulnerability. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
As it stands, there are very simple and obvious flaws | 0:47:05 | 0:47:10 | |
in the system for getting a European Health Insurance Card, aren't there? | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
-I mean, huge flaws. -You tell me that they're simple. -Well... | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
I don't know if they are simple. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
I have no doubt that there is a problem with it | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
and it's one that we are going to address. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
Bad as they are, the losses to the NHS from these card scams | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
are being dwarfed by a much bigger problem | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
in the way we deal with other European countries. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
Panorama has discovered | 0:47:41 | 0:47:42 | |
that the NHS is losing significant amounts of money | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
because of the health care agreements we have with Europe. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:50 | |
Every year, nearly 11 million European visitors come here. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
We have reciprocal health care agreements with the rest of Europe | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
so that each country claims back the cost of EHIC treatments | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
from other member states. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
In 2010, the Government paid out £123 million | 0:48:09 | 0:48:14 | |
for UK citizens who received medical treatment in Europe | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
using their European Health Insurance Cards | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
but we got just £38 million from other European countries. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
So why such a big difference | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
between what we paid out and what we received? | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
One major reason is that we don't add up | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
how much British GPs spend treating Europeans across the country. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
Valerie Hughes was the NHS Counter Fraud Officer for Brighton and Hove. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
There were lots of tourists on her patch. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
The biggest problem is, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
we don't collect the information about those patients, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
the specific information relating to the individual, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
to be able to claim that money back from the community. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
We did a project in the Brighton city area and we... | 0:48:59 | 0:49:05 | |
came up with the information that our GP practices | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
that were working with us, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
that we were losing in the region of £200,000 in one financial year. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:17 | |
So if we then times that throughout the whole of the country | 0:49:17 | 0:49:22 | |
in primary care, just purely primary care we're talking here, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
we're talking millions. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
Some doctors are also concerned we don't charge Europeans for GP care. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
As an ordinary citizen, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:33 | |
not so much as a GP, is that I'm not afforded this right | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
in any other country I've ever been to. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
I meet many patients that come back from other countries | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
and nearly always, there is some kind of payment arrangement. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
For example in the United States, it would be laughable | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
to think of going to a family practitioner's clinic | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
and expecting free treatment. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
We asked the minister | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
why many European countries charge US for primary care | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
but we don't charge them? | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
We've found that many doctors do not collect the data | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
so that we can charge the cost | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
of treatment of European visitors back to Europe. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
Why aren't we doing that? That's a simple thing, isn't it? | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
Well, it sounds simple but, of course as we know, it's very complex. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
We also know that the system is not working. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
That's why we're having a review. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:21 | |
Every year, the NHS also pays European countries | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
for treating our pensioners who are living abroad. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
In return, they pay us for treating their pensioners who live here. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
Last year, we paid out £734 million to other European countries | 0:50:40 | 0:50:46 | |
but we got just £50 million back. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
Now, part of that money | 0:50:50 | 0:50:51 | |
went towards payments on European Health Insurance cards | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
but the vast bulk of it went to pay other countries | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
for the health care costs of British pensioners who are living abroad. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
So why is it that we paid out so much and got so little back? | 0:51:01 | 0:51:06 | |
Last year, one third of that money - £250 million - | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
was sent to pay for the health care of people living here, in Ireland. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:22 | |
These are people who have worked all of their lives in the UK, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
are now eligible for a British state pension | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
and have come back here to retire. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
The UK Government picks up the tab for their health care. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
People like Maureen and her partner, Andy. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
What difference does it make to you that the UK Government | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
-will pay for your health care here? -Oh, a great deal. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
We wouldn't be able to live here five minutes. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
We couldn't be here. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:52 | |
And a lot of the return-to-Ireland people | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
and people that have just moved over to Ireland for a quiet life, | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
they wouldn't be able to stay. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
'Many in Ireland have to pay for their health care | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
'but not Andy and Maureen.' | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
Because we were in England for 52 years, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
you paid your contributions and you were entitled to that | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
as if you were still in England. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
And the bill is taken up by... | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
the British Government pays all this. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
-So for you, this is like having an NHS in Ireland? -Yes, it is. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:24 | |
It is really the same thing. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
I mean, people used to talk about the National Health Service in the UK | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
but, you believe me, it is the finest system in the world. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
Andy and Maureen are far from alone. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
In fact, the NHS pays for the health care | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
of more than 40,000 British pensioners living here. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
But, for some reason, Ireland charges the NHS | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
nearly £6,000 a year per pensioner, | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
which is almost 50% more than the UK charges other countries | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
to look after their pensioners. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:00 | |
So why are we paying Ireland so much more? | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
-So it just is more expensive? -It is more expensive. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
But taking that altogether, it doesn't seem to me that | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
it would explain the full amount of that difference by some margin. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
Because we're talking about 50% more here, aren't we? | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
I think if you were trying to do the calculations as carefully | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
as possible, the chances are that the result would be perhaps 25, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
or even perhaps 30% more expensive than the equivalent care | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
for this population would be in the UK. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
Do you believe it's likely then | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
that the UK is paying over the odds? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
Maybe significantly over the odds for this? | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
I think it probably is paying quite a lot more | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
than the cost would justify, yes. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
Panorama has calculated that if Professor Norman's right, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
then the NHS has overpaid Ireland by £125 million | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
in the last three years. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
The Irish Government dispute that figure. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
They say that average health care costs... | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
..but, in any case, UK payments in recent years | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
are based on estimates yet to be finalised. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
Therefore they said... | 0:54:12 | 0:54:13 | |
..whether the UK has overpaid. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
In opposition, the Conservatives promised | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
an inquiry into the UK's overpayments to Ireland. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
But that was three years ago. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
Are we paying the Republic of Ireland too much | 0:54:27 | 0:54:31 | |
to look after UK pensioners living there? | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
There's a HUGE problem with what's happening over in Ireland | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
and that's why we're working with the Irish Government | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
because we recognise that's an awful lot of money | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
that we are paying back to the Irish Government, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
quite properly under the existing rules | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
but they're very, very old rules. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
Both Governments accept that we need to sort it out | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
so that it's not at the levels that it currently is. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
Back in Birmingham, the NHS practice manager, Asif, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
has been busy. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:00 | |
He seems very keen to meet our undercover man again. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
It turns out he's already registered | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
five fictitious Indian health tourists | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
into the NHS even though we haven't paid him yet. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
The numbers are on this sheet of paper. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
It's an expensive piece of paper. Asif is expecting £5,000 for it. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:27 | |
With a fond farewell, Asif reminds us | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
he's eager to register another five health tourists on the NHS. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
But there won't be any more health tourists | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
registered on the NHS through Asif Butt. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
And he isn't going to see his big payday. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
Instead, on the morning he comes to collect his money, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
he's going to meet me and my camera crew. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
Today he's a man of few words. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
He wasn't quite as reticent with our undercover reporter. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
And though he denies it, there's no doubt these people... | 0:56:58 | 0:57:03 | |
are in the NHS because of him and they don't exist. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
We told Mr Butt's employers, Sparkbrook Health Centre, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
about his activities and they said, "We have launched... | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
.."in conjunction with our local counter-fraud team | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
"and will take appropriate action when all the facts are known." | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
We asked the Southall middlemen, Ayub and Chamanlal, | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
about their activities. They didn't respond. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
Femi has declined to comment | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
other than saying the allegations are false. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
The NHS was never designed to charge people so, as we've found out, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:44 | |
the systems it has in place for working out | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
who's eligible for free treatment | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
and who should pay are just not effective. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
Over the last six months, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
we've registered eight health tourists with GPs | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
and we've had free treatment we should have paid for | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
at hospitals across the country. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
No-one has been caught. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:04 | |
We will be reimbursing the NHS for all of these costs. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:11 | |
But in a world where people can travel ever more easily to Britain, | 0:58:11 | 0:58:15 | |
we have to decide - | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
who has the right to use the NHS for free? | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
And who doesn't? | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
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