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the hills of Scotland. Blowing around. By the end of the night | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
getting down to a lower level. In the south a quieter story. The | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
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morning, it is all about the snow in the east of Scotland. It is down | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
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south it is more straightforward. Sunny spells and heavy showers in | :01:27. | :01:35. | |
the afternoon. A little bit of sunshine, reaching eight Celsius. | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
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counties of England, that is where the colder air isened -- and the | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
wintry showers. Thursday, a feed of cold air coming from the Continent. | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
To the west, weather fronts bofrpling into that. Wind and rain | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
piling into the cold air. Later on, uncertainty but the general theme | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
is there. The rain is to turn to snow in the north of the UK. So, | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 93 seconds | :02:25. | :03:59. | |
Good night. Ten years ago, the Iraq war began. | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
We were told it was necessary to get rid of Saddam's weapons of mass | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
destruction, WMD. The weapons of mass destruction programme is not | :04:08. | :04:16. | |
shut down. It is up and running now. Tony Blair assured us the | :04:16. | :04:22. | |
intelligence was beyond doubt. In fact, it was anything but. What | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
appeared to be gold in terms of intelligence turned out to be | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
fool's gold. He has existing and active military plans for the use | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 | :04:36. | :04:45. | |
minutes. Did he say he'd seen the weapons? No. The Iraqi regime has | :04:45. | :04:51. | |
tried to -- plotted to develop anthrax and nuclear weapons for | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
over a decade. There was an atmosphere of "we've got to find | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
something". Very bad intelligence got to the leadership quickly. | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
Other intelligence just didn't make it. We can now show how much of the | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
key intelligence was based on wishful thinking and lies. Why did | :05:11. | :05:19. | |
he fabricate such a story? I think he wanted to find a new home. | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
Fauplty -- faulty intelligence fabricated by spies like this man | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
pressed the button for war. called me on a secure phone and | :05:28. | :05:34. | |
said, he's fabricating. The Iraq war is based on lies. The source | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
was an eyewitness. He actually was present during biological agent | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
production runs. Were you present then? We have first-hand | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels. There were no | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
mobile trucks? No. You were simply making it up? Yes. Tonight, we | :05:53. | :05:59. | |
reveal how British and American intelligence got it so wrong. The | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
fact is that we went to war in Iraq on a lie. That lie was your lie. | :06:06. | :06:16. | |
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The spies who fooled the world were telling Downing Street and the | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
White House what they wanted to hear, that Saddam had WMD hidden | :06:35. | :06:41. | |
away somewhere deep in the desert. But just six months before the | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
invasion, there was one piece of intelligence that could have | :06:45. | :06:53. | |
stopped the war. The story begins in Paris, the source was unique, | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
the closest Western intelligence had ever got to Saddam, a minister | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
in his cabinet. French intelligence held the key. The key was a trusted | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
intermediary who had worked with the French before and who knew the | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
minister well. The French decided to give the key to the head of the | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
CIA station in Paris, Bill Murray. I was told that the source was | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
considering leaving Saddam Hussein's regime and try to get out | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
and that he had a great deal of intelligence that he might wish to | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
share. How highly placed was the source? He was one of the chief | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
members of Saddam Hussein's cabinet. So he looked like a person of real | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
interest, somebody we should be talking to. French intelligence put | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
Bill Murray in touch with the intermediary, an Arab journalist in | :07:49. | :07:56. | |
Paris. What did the intermediary ask you for? $1 million up front. | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
The sum demanded was huge, but so too was the potential value of the | :08:00. | :08:10. | |
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source. He was Iraq's Foreign Minister Naji Sabri.... To defend | :08:10. | :08:19. | |
our lands, our people... I gave the intermediary up front a sum of | :08:19. | :08:27. | |
money, I won't say exactly how much. Bill Murray gave the intermediary | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
$200,000. In cash? In cash. To be used to pay his expenses, to show | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
that we were serious and also to provide some personal items for the | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
source. Due personally hand over -- did you personally Hanover the | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
cash? Yes. In a suitcase, brown paper envelope? I don't remember, | :08:47. | :08:55. | |
to tell you the truth, probably, probably a paper bag. We finally | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
tracked down the intermediary in Paris. We understand he denies | :09:00. | :09:10. | |
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receiving any money. His name is Nabil Mo grabi. He wanted money for | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
an interview. We said no. Bill Murray gave the intermediary | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
questions for the Iraqi Foreign Minister. Top of the lift was WMD. | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
-- list was WMD. The intermediary met the minister in New York six | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
months before the invasion and only a week before the British | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
Government published its dossier which made the case for war. Bill | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
Murray received the answers to his questions and a secret sign was | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
devised to show the source, Naji Sabri, was on board. | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
intermediary had had a couple of suits tailor made for the source. | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
One of which he wore when he gave a speech at the UN. That was part of | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
the agreement to confirm the relationship between the | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
intermediary and the source. when you saw the source, the Saddam | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
cabinet minister wearing his new suit what did that tell you? It was | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
my new seat. I here by declare before you... It told me that yes, | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
they're telling me the truth, they really have had the meeting and you | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
know, they've passed the materialsment The American | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
officials have been fabricating... Murray couldn't meet the minister, | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
so the intermediary briefed him on what Saddam really had. The CIA | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
insists the intelligence showed Saddam had WMD programmes. Murray | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
says his report was used selectively. He had some chemical | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
weapons left over from the early 90s, so he had taken the stocks and | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
given them to various tribes that were loyal to him. He had | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
intentions to have weapons of mass destruction, chemical, biological | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
and nuclear, but the report was very clear about what he actually | :10:55. | :11:02. | |
had at that point in time. He had virtually nothing. Were the British | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
informed? All the intelligence we had was being passed to them. I | :11:06. | :11:15. | |
have to assume that they knew about it. We asked Naji Sabri for an | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
interview, but he declined. In a statement he said, "The entire | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
story was totally fabricated." He confirmed he had met an Arab | :11:26. | :11:33. | |
journalist in New York but disputes the account of the meeting. The | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
Bush Administration simply dismissed this secret intelligence | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
from Iraq's Foreign Minister on the grounds that "he would say this, | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
wouldn't he"? They were not happy. I was told they were not happy. | :11:47. | :11:57. | |
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not? They just didn't believe it. I was told that the biological | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
weapons information didn't square with the information from "our best | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
source". It wasn't until later I heard about the history of | :12:06. | :12:13. | |
Curveball. Curveball, the code name of | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
American intelligence's best source. This shadowy figure was to | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
transform the intelligence on WMD, an Iraqi refugee with first-hand | :12:23. | :12:30. | |
evidence that Iraq was producing deadly biological weapons. The | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
story he would spin began at the Zirndorf refugee camp outside | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
Nuremberg, Germany. He arrived here at the end of December 1999 | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
desperately seek asylum as a refugee from Saddam's tiranical | :12:46. | :12:54. | |
rule. We finally managed to track him down in a small German town. | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
Hills real name was Rafed Al Janabi. In fear of his life, he disappeared | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
from view, seeking anonymity and security. Intransigent my dream was | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
not only my dream but the dream of many Iraqis to see Saddam Hussein | :13:09. | :13:19. | |
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out of power in Iraq. Janabi's details were placed on file at | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
Zirndorf. As his background aroused particular interest he was | :13:23. | :13:33. | |
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interviewed by German intelligence. Intransigent the man told me -- | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
they've heard your statement. This is the first television interview | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
that the head of German intelligence has ever given about | :13:42. | :13:50. | |
Curveball. It was very difficult to get inside information at that time | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
from Iraq. It was very important for us to have a human source who | :13:56. | :14:05. | |
has been engaged in this programme and therefore, it was very valuable | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
-- a very valuable source. They didn't know if this guy was a liar | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
or telling the truth. If he's telling the truth then there was a | :14:14. | :14:22. | |
serious problem. Years of UN inspections prove that Saddam had | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
lied and concealed his lethal chemical and biological agents. | :14:26. | :14:36. | |
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They'd been manufactured in giant vats or fermenters like these. This | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
agricultural seed factory is where Curveball said he worked. | :14:44. | :14:52. | |
Translation: I worked at site for seven to eight months. This, at | :14:52. | :15:00. | |
least, was true. Political asylum and money were on the horizon. He | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
told his German interrogators with sketches that he'd been involved in | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
developing mobile biological laboratories with fermenters | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
mounted on trucks. TRANSLATION: They gave me an opportunity to say | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
what I wanted. A lot of the information, which was given to | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
German intelligence was extremely detailed and they verified this | :15:22. | :15:32. | |
information. German intelligence gave the Americans over 100 top- | :15:32. | :15:40. | |
secret reports on Curveball's case. The Americans wanted to meet | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
Curveball face to face and make their own assessment of his | :15:45. | :15:52. | |
credibility. But the Germans steadfastly refused. He told us, I | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
don't want to see the Americans. If he is not willing, really, to meet | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
the American side or others, then we have to respect that. | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
Germans were telling us he doesn't like Americans. He doesn't speak | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
English. He only speaks Arabic and German. He only wants to talk to | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
Germans. But there was another reason. The Germans concerned that | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
the Americans might overplay Curveball's intelligence. We were | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
in a delicate situation. We don't know what the Americans will do | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
with the information. We can't control that any longer, so the | :16:24. | :16:32. | |
decision was quite clear - give them our level of information and, | :16:32. | :16:42. | |
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The story began to unravel when the Germans realised that Curveball had | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
lied about parts of his story. Satellite imagery confirmed these | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
doubts. Photographs contradicted the description of the site where | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
Curveball had worked near Baghdad. He said large trucks with trailers | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
had been driven in and out of the end warehouse but satellite images | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
showed it would have been impossible for a truck to make that | :17:16. | :17:26. | |
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manoeuvre. What is more there was a six foot wall in the way. | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
Curveball's duplicity was well known to his former boss and close | :17:34. | :17:42. | |
friend. Each of thing to the other's wedding. We worked together | :17:42. | :17:50. | |
for a long time. I knew this guy was a liar. A congenital liar. | :17:50. | :18:00. | |
do you say that? He was always making up stories. He was a spy, a | :18:00. | :18:09. | |
conman. A disaster worldwide and for Iraqis. After a year of | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
interviews with Curveball, German intelligence decided to stop the | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
regular meetings with him. At the beginning of two dozen of one he | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
was out in the cold, flipping burgers at this fast food outlet | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
near Nuremberg. But one seismic event was to change everything and | :18:30. | :18:38. | |
place Curveball centre stage once again. | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
9/11 gave President Bush the opportunity to achieve his long- | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
term goal of overthrowing Saddam Hussein. Erroneously associated him | :18:47. | :18:54. | |
with Al-Qaeda. This is a regime that has something to hide from the | :18:54. | :19:01. | |
civilised world. States like these and their terraced allies | :19:01. | :19:07. | |
constitute an axis of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world. | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
What Curveball was saying now seemed too good to dismiss. To the | :19:13. | :19:20. | |
White House Curveball underpinned their case. But doubts were growing. | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
In the spring of two dozen and to MI6 sent the CIA cable summing up | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
its position on Curveball. Elements of his behaviour strike us as | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
typical of individuals we normally assessed as fabricators. | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
Nevertheless it was... Inclined to believe that a significant | :19:42. | :19:49. | |
departure of his reporting is true. I believe there were doubts in MI6 | :19:49. | :19:56. | |
in this case. And there was a debate and they did not have any | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
additional information. Curveball was saying I was first-hand witness | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
to the production. I saw accidents were people died. I sort real road | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
cars moving stuff. Some of it was quite detailed. That type of Mike | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
Rolfe. He was telling us information that people wanted to | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
hear. Despite all the reservations, both MI6 and the CIA decided to | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
stick with Curveball. And they soon had what they thought was | :20:32. | :20:40. | |
corroboration. An Iraqi major who defected confirmed that Iraq has | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
mobile biological research laboratories. | :20:45. | :20:51. | |
This was the second spy who fooled the world. An Iraqi defector from | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
Saddam Hussein's intelligence services who made his way to Jordan. | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
His name was major Mohammed Harith. He offered himself to an exile | :21:01. | :21:08. | |
group known as the are rushing -- the Iraqi National Congress. He was | :21:08. | :21:16. | |
an Iraqi defector in Jordan. He was quite desperate to get out of | :21:16. | :21:26. | |
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Jordan. Nabil Mussawi was filmed by American television talking to | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
major Mohammed Harith. Major Mohammed Harith said it was his | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
idea to develop mobile biological laboratories. He said he had | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
brought tracks and he revealed how many. But the Americans had doubts | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
because his story was so elaborate and unbelievable. He even claimed | :21:46. | :21:56. | |
he had met Osama bin Laden. Major Mohammed Harith was given a | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
lie-detector test. But perhaps surprisingly he passed. When he | :22:03. | :22:13. | |
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talked about the robot unit, I did believe it. Was his story true? | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
it was fabricated. There was no proof. Why did he fabricate the | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
story? I think he wanted to find a new home. | :22:26. | :22:34. | |
In the end, neither the Pentagon nor the CIA was convinced. And in | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
spring 2002 a berm notice was issued saying that Major Mohammed | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
Harith was a fabricator. Americans realised that he was | :22:44. | :22:51. | |
making it all up. Yet his intelligence was still quoted. | :22:51. | :22:58. | |
with Curveball. Inexplicably as with Curveball, the intelligence | :22:58. | :23:07. | |
would remain on file waiting to come back and fight. | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
Now there was to be a third attempt to fool the world. Based on the | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
nightmare scenario that Saddam Hussein could be developing a | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
nuclear weapon. Saddam Hussein is determined to get | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
his hands on a nuclear bomb. Once again the story starts with | :23:26. | :23:33. | |
the tantalising kernel of truth. This time in Rome. In 1999 a | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
genuine secret letter came to light indicating that an Iraqi ambassador | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
was planning to visit Niger, a country rich in uranium. But soon | :23:43. | :23:50. | |
the fact turned to fantasy. Fantasy would also around this man, | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
Rocco Martino, flew over the years have had dealings with the Italian | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
and other intelligence agencies. In this so Ben's picture he's meeting | :24:00. | :24:08. | |
an intelligence officer. He liked to be a charming man. He was very | :24:08. | :24:18. | |
mysterious. And there was something shadowy around him. | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
Rocco Martino gave Elisabetta Burba a a set of documents which she | :24:23. | :24:29. | |
later gave to the American embassy. Potentially they were at the | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
smoking gun that everybody at the time was looking for. | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
It is a murky story. What is clear is that Rocco Martino got the | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
documents from the Embassy of Niger in Rome and an Italian intelligence | :24:45. | :24:54. | |
officer was involved as some stage. The sensational documents detailed | :24:54. | :25:01. | |
how Iraq was planning to buy 8500 tons of pure uranium from Niger and | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
was signed and sealed by the President of Niger. | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
The documents looked authentic and they even included the original | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
genuine laughter. But on closer examination they soon turned out to | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
be a crude forgery. There were filled with all kinds of | :25:21. | :25:29. | |
mistakes. They newest the name of the previous minister of foreign | :25:29. | :25:39. | |
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affairs. -- they used. It was a pretty bad forgery for stock de -. | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
Earlier on Rocco Martino had tried to sell the documents to French | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
intelligence but they refuse to take the bait. We were highly | :25:51. | :25:59. | |
sceptical. We did not even mention them to any friendly services. And | :25:59. | :26:05. | |
we did not trace any acquisition of uranium by Iraq during that whole | :26:05. | :26:12. | |
period. French intelligence officers were | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
twice dispatched to the uranium mines in Niger and to check it out. | :26:16. | :26:24. | |
There reported there was nothing to it. Pierre Brochand talks about the | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
spread of the documents. It was disseminated to some intelligence | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
services including France, Germany, the UK. Then across the Atlantic | :26:36. | :26:46. | |
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and in the end only the US and the UK may that public. Because | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
probably their immune system was weak. | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
The White House eagerly seized on the intelligence. Once again it was | :26:58. | :27:05. | |
exactly what they wanted to here. The CIA had his reservations but | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
the larger story just kept on turning up. | :27:11. | :27:18. | |
My agency tried repeatedly to bang down that whole issue over and over | :27:18. | :27:28. | |
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again. One of my colleagues referred to it as whack a mole. | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
contacted Rocco Martino through this family but they said he was | :27:36. | :27:46. | |
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too ill to look - judged to do interview. The exact role of | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
intelligent services is unclear. The journalist who fuelled the | :27:57. | :28:04. | |
story feels guilty. Personally I feel very bad because I have been | :28:04. | :28:11. | |
used. To justify a war or which ended up with hundreds of thousands | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
of deaths. MI6 stood by in the merger story. | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
Not based on the forged documents but on British intelligence | :28:22. | :28:29. | |
including eavesdropping from here at GCHQ. | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
The current British inquiry into the Intelligence failings chaired | :28:33. | :28:40. | |
by Sir John Chilcott is now into its 4th year. Behind its closed | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
doors one senior MI6 officer was distinctly underwhelmed by the | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
intelligence on the Niger. That uranium story was pretty | :28:52. | :29:02. | |
| :29:02. | :29:04. | ||
unfortunate. It should never have seen the light of day. | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
The late Brian Jones who was head of the WMD section at Defence | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
Intelligence was equally dismissive. There was no suggestion in | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
intelligence that Saddam Hussein was close to having a nuclear | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
weapon. We knew that he had sought nuclear weapons but there was never | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
any suggestion that he had acquired them or indeed was close to | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
acquiring them. Saddam Hussein's alleged attempt to | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
buy uranium from Elijah remained on intelligence files in Washington | :29:39. | :29:49. | |
| :29:49. | :29:50. | ||
and London just like Curveball's and Major Mohammed Harith's. They | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
had sowed the seeds for the biggest intelligence fender in living | :29:54. | :30:00. | |
memory. Politically events were now moving | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
fast. 11 months before the war, Tony Blair met President Bush at | :30:06. | :30:12. | |
his ranch in Texas. Tony Blair agreed to support race seemed | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
changed but only if the United Nations wrote had been exhausted. - | :30:16. | :30:23. | |
- regime change. Sir Richard Dearlove, the hemp - does the head | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
of MI6, but the Prime Minister on his visit to Washington in July. He | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
is reported as saying, military action was now seen as inevitable. | :30:33. | :30:42. | |
The intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
In our view we felt that intelligence was used to justify a | :30:47. | :30:53. | |
war which was a walk of choice, of pure choice. But the intelligence | :30:53. | :31:00. | |
was used to disguise that as a war of necessity. | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
Tony Blair's chief-of-staff, Jonathan Powell, have warned the | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
public opinion was fragile and the government now needed a Rolls-Royce | :31:09. | :31:17. | |
information campaign. The last call went out for any | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
further intelligence that could be presented in a dossier designed to | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
be made public. With the publication deadline approaching, | :31:26. | :31:32. | |
three pieces of crucial new intelligence game into MI6. | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
Uncertainty became certainty. Saddam Hussein was now judged to | :31:36. | :31:42. | |
have active chemical and biological weapons. | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
The most dramatic new intelligence was the warning that the WMD could | :31:47. | :31:54. | |
be launched within 45 minutes. has existing and active military | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons which could be | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
activated within 45 minutes. So where did this intelligence come | :32:03. | :32:13. | |
| :32:13. | :32:18. | ||
The founder headed a military committee with secret cells of | :32:18. | :32:27. | |
dissident army officers inside Iraq. This was all based on very tight- | :32:27. | :32:34. | |
knit connections through relatives to avoid the security of Saddam. We | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
had cells and various units. Information was to be passed to us. | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
Dr Allawi's group was first told about the 45-minute warning when it | :32:45. | :32:49. | |
was planning a coup in the mid90s and feared Saddam would use WMD | :32:49. | :32:57. | |
against defecting soldiers. The warning came from an Iraqi kernel | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
called Al-Dabbagh, an artillery commander in Iraq's western desert. | :33:02. | :33:08. | |
What was the intelligence? That they are ready to, within 45 | :33:08. | :33:16. | |
minutes to hit any unit that will defect. With what? With chemical | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
weapons. Did Colonel Al-Dabbagh say he had seen the weapons? No. | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
fact Colonel Al-Dabbagh simply assumed the sealed boxes delivered | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
to his unit contained chemical or biological agents and they'd just | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
be short range weapons for use on the battlefield. Was it clear from | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
the intelligence from Colonel Al- Dabbagh that the 45 minutes was | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
refer to battlefield weapons? it was clear, yes. The intelligence | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
was then passed from Colonel Al- Dabbagh to his relative Brigadier | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
General Muhie, a senior officer in Saddam's military. We contacted him | :33:56. | :34:02. | |
but he didn't want to talk. Brigadier General Muhie pass today | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
to the INA. When you got the information about the 45 minutes, | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
did you pass that information on to MI6? I think it was passed by one | :34:13. | :34:21. | |
of our officers. To MI6? Yes. the time it got to London, the | :34:21. | :34:29. | |
intelligence was third-hand. Unusually, MI6 did not say the 45- | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
minute warning came from on opposition group, albeit a trusted | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
one, but simply said it came from a reliable source. CIA director | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
George Tenet was less than flattering about Britain's 45- | :34:42. | :34:49. | |
minute claim. Reportedly he referred to it as "that 45 minute | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
shit". The 45 minute intelligence prompted serious concern at the | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
MoD's defence intelligence staff. Their experts thought it vague and | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
ambiing Russ -- ambiguous. referred generally to chemical and | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
biological weapons, which immediately suggested that whoever | :35:09. | :35:16. | |
was providing the material didn't have a detailed understanding. | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
first Government inquiry into the use of intelligence was chaired by | :35:20. | :35:26. | |
Lord Butler. He singled out the 45- minute warning as being one of the | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
most misleading intelligence failings, since it implied Iraq was | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
a serious and current threat to the UK. It was interpreted as referring | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
to missiles that you could fire at Cyprus and that did make it | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
sensational. That misunderstanding was due to a bit of sloppy | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
intelligence, unusual because for the most part the intelligence was | :35:50. | :35:59. | |
handled professionally, but in this case, it was left vague. What's | :35:59. | :36:06. | |
more, although MI6 knew that the 45-minute claim referred to short- | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
range battlefield weapons and not long-range missiles, this critical | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
distinction was never mentioned in their intelligence report or in the | :36:16. | :36:22. | |
Government's dossier. Indeed, the MI6 chief Sir Richard Dearlove | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
admits he knew it only referred to battlefield weapons. But MI6 never | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
told the Prime Minister or ever mentioned it in the dossier. | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
think it was a serious owe mission because it misled a lot of people. | :36:34. | :36:44. | |
| :36:44. | :36:45. | ||
So I think one can say that it was a serious error in the dossier. | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
there were still more errors to come. Just 12 days before the | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
dossier was published, Sir Richard Dearlove took personal charge of | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
the other two pieces of new intelligence and drove to Downing | :36:57. | :37:04. | |
Street to brief the Prime Minister. For the first time, MI6 had a spy | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
who claimed to have direct access to the production of chemical and | :37:09. | :37:17. | |
biological agents. He became known as the new source on trial. Sir | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
Richard called it a significant breakthrough. Although the source | :37:21. | :37:27. | |
was not quoted in the dossier, the intelligence was seized upon as | :37:27. | :37:35. | |
confirmation that Saddam had active WMD. It was an exciting event, last | :37:35. | :37:42. | |
minute, rather like stop press news in a newspaper. So people did act. | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
I think with undue haste. Giving evidence to the Chilcot Inquiry | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
some MI6 officers were highly sceptical of the new source on | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
trial. It was... Being torn Ovcharov the teleprinter and rushed | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
to Number Ten with a little more haste than was probably appropriate. | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
Another said it was... Wishful thinking, which promised the crock | :38:06. | :38:12. | |
of gold at the end of the rainbow. Why wasn't it shown to the defence | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
intelligence staff who could have made a proper assessment of it? | :38:16. | :38:23. | |
Because it was thought dangerous that here was a new source on trial | :38:23. | :38:30. | |
and if it was compromised in any way, the source might be lost. | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
found it quite difficult to believe that there could zist a single | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
piece of intelligence -- could exist a single piece of | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
intelligence in which there could be such great confidence. This made | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
me suspicious about it and about what was going on. I think it was a | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
serious mistake that it wasn't shown to the analysts, it always | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
should be shown to the people who can analyse its validity. | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
Richard Dearlove also told Tony Blair of more dramatic new | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
intelligence. It seemed to corroborate Curveball's claims of | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
mobile biological labs. I was told and specifically briefed about | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
these mobile production facilities for biological weapons. So this was | :39:17. | :39:24. | |
an additional and new factor. MI6 chief said one of their trusted | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
spies code named red river had heard that Iraq had developed | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
biological fermenter to be carried on lorries or railway trucks. The | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
problem was it was here say. Red River was basing this on what he | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
was told by someone else, whom MI6 had never met. What's more that | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
someone else had never claimed that the fermenters had any connection | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
with biological weapons. This really didn't substantiate | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
Curveball's information but it was complementary to it. What this | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
illustrates is that you must always subject those reports to the | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
technical experts. We asked Sir Richard Dearlove to comment, but he | :40:08. | :40:14. | |
said he could not ahead of the forth coming Chilcot report. | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
General Sir Mike Jackson was Britain's senior soldier when | :40:18. | :40:23. | |
troops were sent to fight a war, allegedly justified by this | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
intelligence. What I do know is intelligence sources do not always | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
tell the truth. What appeared to be gold in terms of intelligence | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
turned out to be fool's gold, because it looked like gold but it | :40:35. | :40:45. | |
wasn't. When the eagerly awaited dossier was finally published, the | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
Prime Minister lost no time in telling Parliament that the | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
intelligence case had been established beyond doubt. | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
weapons of mass destruction programme is active, detailed and | :40:57. | :41:04. | |
growing. The trouble was the intelligence was never that certain, | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
as defence analysts felt at the time. We had not seen evidence that | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
established that beyond doubt. That concerned us. The weapons of mass | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
destruction programme is not shut down. It is up and running now. | :41:21. | :41:31. | |
| :41:31. | :41:31. | ||
was just guessing that there could be reSidual stocks and reassumption | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
of activities. It concludes that Iraq has chemical and biological | :41:35. | :41:41. | |
weapons, that Saddam has continued to produce them. There was a | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
contistent effort to find insell jepbs that supported pre-conceived | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
positions and desires. He has existing and active military plans | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
activated within 45 minutes. that was a surprising statement to | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
us in the military. What was your reaction? Extremely surprised. | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
were quite dismissive of that intelligence and thought it was | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
transparently weak. What was your reaction to the 45-minute claim? | :42:15. | :42:22. | |
haven't had such kind of information. The intelligence | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
picture they paint is one accumulated over the last four | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
years. It is extensive, detailed and authoritytive. In fact, the | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
original intelligence that was given to the Prime Minister was | :42:38. | :42:44. | |
clearly qualified. It said: "Intelligence remains limited, is | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
sporadic and patchy." The crucial qualifications to the | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
intelligence were totally absent from the Government's dossier in | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
order to make a convincing case to the public and to Parliament. It | :42:57. | :43:04. | |
seems the Government wanted to leave little room for doubt. | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
qualifications should have been there, because I think that in a | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
sense, this was the mistake, the dossier led people to believe that | :43:12. | :43:20. | |
because it was intelligence, it was uniquely worthy of belief. There | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
was other intelligence from human and technical sources, | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
eavesdropping and intercepts, but they painted a less alarming | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
picture. Blair's critics have accused him of deliberately sexing | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
up the dossier by owe mitting these qualifications and including flakey | :43:36. | :43:42. | |
intelligence. Was Tony Blair a liar? No, I don't believe he was a | :43:42. | :43:49. | |
liar. I believe that when he said what he believed about Saddam | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
Hussein, he was speaking the truth, but I think, because the | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
qualifications on the evidence weren't made clear, I think he | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
oversold the case. But that's the reason why there are so many people | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
today who feel outraged still today that they were misled by the Prime | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
Minister. Yes, but I think one could say in the Prime Minister's | :44:14. | :44:21. | |
defence that he misled himself. He, and indeed the intelligence | :44:21. | :44:29. | |
community, had misled themselves. When the dossier was published, the | :44:29. | :44:35. | |
invasion was just six months away. America's war machine was waiting | :44:35. | :44:42. | |
for the signal to go. Now the Bush Administration was determined to | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
use Curveball to clinch the case for war. The CIA was more anxious | :44:47. | :44:56. | |
than ever to meet him face to face. At a Washington restaurant Tyler | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
Drumheller pressed his contact in German intelligence for access to | :44:59. | :45:06. | |
Curveball. He and I were good friends. We had a lot to talk about. | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
At the end, I said, "By the way, they asked me to ask you about the | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
Curveball case. Is there any way they can get access to him. It's | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
really important." He said don't ask, they're not going to give you | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
access. He said look, this is a source we don't have any | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
corroboration for. I'll tell you off the record, he said, that I | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
think personally, he said I dealt with this case, I believe | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
personally that he may be a fabricator. The CIA stkrector says | :45:36. | :45:43. | |
Drumheller failed to pass this and other warnings on. Just before | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
Christmas 2002, the head of German intelligence August Hanning sent a | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
personal cabelling to CIA director George Tenet warning about the | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
intelligence from Curveball. It is not confirmed, please be cautious | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
to use this kind of not confirmed information. Of course he was a | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
single source. He was a single source. We told them. Did you do | :46:06. | :46:12. | |
enough to warn the Americans, to warn the CIA about Curveball? | :46:12. | :46:21. | |
But they were not in a state or in a mind set to be warned. The CIA | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
says Hanning's cable never left Drumheller's office. George Tenet | :46:25. | :46:31. | |
says he never got that cable from the head... But he did. But he says | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
he did. I tell you he did. You have to put my word against George | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
Tenet's. I won't say he lied, but I just say I know. How do you know he | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
got it? Because we sent it to him. Apparently there are other senior | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
officers who don't have any specific recollection of these 11th | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
hour warnings that came from Tyler Drumheller. I have complete faith | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
in the integrity both of George Tenet and of John McLaughlin his | :46:56. | :47:05. | |
George Tenet says he never got your cable. It was addressed to him | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
personally himself to him, I have no explanation for it. Do you | :47:09. | :47:19. | |
| :47:19. | :47:28. | ||
believe George Tenet? I always By the return of the year no one in | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
the White House or donning Street down to that war was imminent. | :47:32. | :47:39. | |
Debtor at Downing Street. I do not believe the issue of W o d e was | :47:39. | :47:44. | |
the sole reason to go to war. It was that strategic dimension. And | :47:44. | :47:53. | |
without doubt the ideological mood in Washington was that way. Would | :47:53. | :48:01. | |
the war have happened anyway? believe that the United States were | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
determined to deal with the Saddam Hussein regime. | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
Finally there was to be one last piece of intelligence that could | :48:11. | :48:20. | |
have stopped the war. Incredibly the source was the Iraqi head of | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
intelligence, Habbush Al-Tikitri, the Jack of Diamonds on America's | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
notorious deck of cards. Three months before the war and LA6 | :48:31. | :48:39. | |
officer met him in Jordan. We understand that Habbush Al-Tikitri | :48:39. | :48:44. | |
told MI6 that Saddam Hussein had no active weapons of mass destruction. | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
The same message as that conveyed by the Iraqi Foreign Minister just | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
days before the British dossier it was published. But it was not what | :48:54. | :48:59. | |
London or Washington wanted to hear. Apparently they dismissed it out of | :48:59. | :49:06. | |
hand because they thought it was propaganda. It did the fit exactly | :49:06. | :49:13. | |
into the story. Did you get information about the | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
meeting between MI6 Secret Intelligence Service and Habbush in | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
Jordan? Was that part of the paperwork you had from SIS? Were | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
discovered it was part of the paperwork we got. We discover that | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
after the event. Why was it not discovered before? And cannot | :49:37. | :49:43. | |
explain that. This was something which I think our review did miss. | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
But when we asked about it we were told it was not a very significant | :49:48. | :49:56. | |
factor. Because SIS discounted it. It was something they said was | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
designed by Saddam Hussein to mislead. Claud Butler's inquiry did | :50:01. | :50:06. | |
not even know about the Iraqi Foreign Minister, the man in the | :50:06. | :50:14. | |
new suit. Were you aware that that Serie A had retreated to the Iraqi | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
Foreign Minister as a source? not. One would have thought he | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
would have been informed of that. If SIS was aware of it then we | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
should have been informed. It is possible that if MI6 and the Serie | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
A had been able to convince Tony Blair and President Bush of the | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
validity of the intelligence there were getting from their two most | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
highly placed sources, the Iraqi Foreign Minister and head of | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
intelligence, then Britain and America it might not have gone to | :50:44. | :50:52. | |
war. But by this time the die had probably been cast. | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
The month before the invasion, despite the growing doubts, | :50:56. | :51:02. | |
Curveball was about to be revealed to the world. The US secretary of | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
state Colin Powell prepared to make a landmark speech to the United | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
Nations. Tyler Drumheller says he was sent the draft for vetting. | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
There was a whole bunch of stuff on Curveball. I called my new boss and | :51:19. | :51:26. | |
he said you had better check this with John McLaughlan. I said | :51:26. | :51:33. | |
there's a problem with this, we should not use it. They are | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
paragraphs from crows for all through the speech. John McLaughlin | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
said he has no recollection of you telling him this. Someone is not | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
telling the truth. I am telling the truth. The night before the speech | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
Colin Powell and George Tenet were closeted in a hotel room in New | :51:51. | :51:59. | |
York with their top aides. I sat with George Tenet until around 2 | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
o'clock or later. The atmosphere was serious. We knew this was | :52:03. | :52:09. | |
profound and we knew we had to get it perfect. Did Colin Powell | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
question the intelligence he was being given on weapons of mass | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
destruction? The secretary of state not only Quested it but quench | :52:18. | :52:25. | |
under intensely. To judge questioned it intensely. | :52:25. | :52:32. | |
daughter answered the phone and it was George calling from the United | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
Nations. He wanted to get a telephone number for somebody in | :52:38. | :52:47. | |
SIS. I said that German report, make sure they do not use that. | :52:47. | :52:55. | |
There is a lot of problems with that. He said, it is under control. | :52:55. | :53:01. | |
George Tenet says he has no word -- no recollection of that. One of us | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
is not telling the whole truth. I am quite comfortable with what I | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
had to say. Every statement I made to date is backed up by a solid | :53:11. | :53:19. | |
sources. These are not anything but solid intelligence. A monetary the | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
person presiding over the United Nations session was the German | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
foreign minister. He knew there was a big question hanging over | :53:28. | :53:35. | |
Curveball. Colin Powell said these are facts. We knew that the veil | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
fact is that neither Colin Howell nor a week could prove that these | :53:41. | :53:48. | |
are facts. It might be true, it might not. The source was an eye | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
witness, an Iraqi chemical engineer who supervised one of these | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
facilities. He was actually present during biological agent production | :53:56. | :54:06. | |
runs. Colin Powell said that the source was president -- was present | :54:06. | :54:16. | |
| :54:16. | :54:16. | ||
during the biological runs. We are present? Know. Way you present on | :54:16. | :54:22. | |
site when the accident occurred? was not. We have first-hand | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails. | :54:27. | :54:34. | |
You say you provided diagrams of the mobile biological tracks. You | :54:34. | :54:42. | |
were making that up? And also, you made a model, you constructed a | :54:42. | :54:52. | |
model of these trucks. Again, you made that up? I turned on the | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
television in my office and it is the Curveball stuff he's going | :54:57. | :55:07. | |
| :55:07. | :55:10. | ||
through. Not only that he has got graphics of mobile trailers. Which | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
gave me the impression that this was drawn from things that could | :55:14. | :55:22. | |
fall said. All of it was Maurice? Yes. This has been corroborated by | :55:22. | :55:28. | |
other sources. An Iraqi Major had affected confirmed that Iraq has | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
mobile biological research laboratories. That was the second | :55:32. | :55:39. | |
spy who fooled the world. Major Mohammed Harith. But inexplicably, | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
no one had told Colin Howell that he had been formally dismissed as a | :55:44. | :55:52. | |
fabricator nine months before. is Curveball, that is it. It was | :55:52. | :56:00. | |
based on lies. Gradually the lines were revealed. | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
Three days after Colin Powell's presentation, United Nations | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
inspectors now back in Iraq visited the site worker Paul said he had | :56:11. | :56:18. | |
seen them off while biological laboratories. What did you find? | :56:18. | :56:27. | |
lot of corn, a lot of seed. A lot of nothing. We have first-hand | :56:27. | :56:35. | |
descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels. The building | :56:35. | :56:41. | |
was dusty, extremely dusty. There were some old equipment. I did not | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
recognise it. I don't think any have been used for biological | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
production. And the 6 ft wall for a block the entrance to the warehouse | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
was still there. I do not know the last time the human was in that | :56:55. | :57:01. | |
building but it was a long time. This was clearly not in use for a | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
long time and clearly not a biological production facility. At | :57:05. | :57:11. | |
that stage I was very disappointed. As doubts were growing about the | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
strength of the intelligence case, 1 million demonstrators marched | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
through London to express their opposition to the imminent invasion. | :57:20. | :57:27. | |
Tony Blair remained adamant. This is not the time to falter. This is | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
the time for this house not just this government or this Prime | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
Minister, but for this House to give the lead. To show we will | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
stand up for what we know to be right. | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
The following night, of the war began. In a matter of weeks Saddam | :57:45. | :57:54. | |
Hussein's regime was toppled. After the war was over and the fall of | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
Saddam Hussein, MI6 and the CSA traverse the Middle East hoping to | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
track down their precious agents. They helped to confirm that they | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
were reliable sources and find out where the elusive weapons of mass | :58:08. | :58:14. | |
destruction were hidden. There were no weapons of mass | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
destruction and no substance to the corroborating sources on which MI6 | :58:18. | :58:23. | |
had relied. The two key pieces of the last minute intelligence that | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
the MI6 chief have personally conveyed to Tony Blair were | :58:27. | :58:33. | |
withdrawn. The new source on trial was deemed to be unreliable. Red | :58:33. | :58:40. | |
River was given a lie-detector test and failed. And what is more, the | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
controversial 45 minute claim was withdrawn. | :58:46. | :58:51. | |
There was even if one report that MI6 trace the source back to a | :58:51. | :58:57. | |
small Jordanian town. He was a taxi driver who said he had overheard | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
Iraqi generals talking about weapons of mass destruction in the | :59:01. | :59:06. | |
back of his cab. It seemed to epitomise how flaky some of the | :59:06. | :59:13. | |
intelligence was. It was a year after the invasion | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
before this series finally got to meet Curveball. An MI6 officer was | :59:18. | :59:23. | |
also present. Curveball was shown a satellite photograph of the site | :59:23. | :59:29. | |
where he had worked. It bore no relation to how he had described it. | :59:29. | :59:38. | |
Curveball said that has been doctored. But it had not. He just | :59:38. | :59:46. | |
stopped talking. Then he said I told you this was a mistake. What | :59:46. | :59:52. |