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For the north-east of Scotland and England be prepared for snow

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overnight overnight and tomorrow. Overnight, the worst of the snow in

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the hills of Scotland. Blowing around. By the end of the night

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getting down to a lower level. In the south a quieter story. The

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showers fading away. Mist and fog forming for England and Wales. A

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touch of frost possible almost anywhere in parts of the UK. In the

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morning, it is all about the snow in the east of Scotland. It is down

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at low levels. It is settles, the accumulations building up. Be

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prepared for tricky travelling conditions in the morning. Quieter

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over England and Wales in the morning. Cloud around but not much

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rain. Some rain towards Essex and Kent. Maybe a few light showers

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lingering on from the overnight period. Some brighter spells to be

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found. Mainly in the west, but here a chance of one or two showers.

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Maybe some snow up over the moors. Snow showers in Northern Ireland in

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some places. Through the day, the main focus is the north-east of the

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UK. The snow continuing to pile up. Then at sea level, about five to so

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centimetres, more in the hills and blowing around in places. In the

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south it is more straightforward. Sunny spells and heavy showers in

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the afternoon. A little bit of sunshine, reaching eight Celsius.

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By Wednesday, north of the line through Wales and the southern

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counties of England, that is where the colder air isened -- and the

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wintry showers. Thursday, a feed of cold air coming from the Continent.

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To the west, weather fronts bofrpling into that. Wind and rain

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piling into the cold air. Later on, uncertainty but the general theme

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is there. The rain is to turn to snow in the north of the UK. So,

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staying cold for the rest of the week. Bitter winds bringing snow

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with them. To keep up-to-date, do so online.

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 93 seconds

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Good night. Ten years ago, the Iraq war began.

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We were told it was necessary to get rid of Saddam's weapons of mass

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destruction, WMD. The weapons of mass destruction programme is not

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shut down. It is up and running now. Tony Blair assured us the

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intelligence was beyond doubt. In fact, it was anything but. What

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appeared to be gold in terms of intelligence turned out to be

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fool's gold. He has existing and active military plans for the use

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of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45

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minutes. Did he say he'd seen the weapons? No. The Iraqi regime has

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tried to -- plotted to develop anthrax and nuclear weapons for

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over a decade. There was an atmosphere of "we've got to find

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something". Very bad intelligence got to the leadership quickly.

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Other intelligence just didn't make it. We can now show how much of the

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key intelligence was based on wishful thinking and lies. Why did

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he fabricate such a story? I think he wanted to find a new home.

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Fauplty -- faulty intelligence fabricated by spies like this man

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pressed the button for war. called me on a secure phone and

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said, he's fabricating. The Iraq war is based on lies. The source

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was an eyewitness. He actually was present during biological agent

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production runs. Were you present then? We have first-hand

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descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels. There were no

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mobile trucks? No. You were simply making it up? Yes. Tonight, we

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reveal how British and American intelligence got it so wrong. The

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fact is that we went to war in Iraq on a lie. That lie was your lie.

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The spies who fooled the world were telling Downing Street and the

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White House what they wanted to hear, that Saddam had WMD hidden

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away somewhere deep in the desert. But just six months before the

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invasion, there was one piece of intelligence that could have

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stopped the war. The story begins in Paris, the source was unique,

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the closest Western intelligence had ever got to Saddam, a minister

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in his cabinet. French intelligence held the key. The key was a trusted

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intermediary who had worked with the French before and who knew the

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minister well. The French decided to give the key to the head of the

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CIA station in Paris, Bill Murray. I was told that the source was

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considering leaving Saddam Hussein's regime and try to get out

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and that he had a great deal of intelligence that he might wish to

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share. How highly placed was the source? He was one of the chief

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members of Saddam Hussein's cabinet. So he looked like a person of real

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interest, somebody we should be talking to. French intelligence put

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Bill Murray in touch with the intermediary, an Arab journalist in

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Paris. What did the intermediary ask you for? $1 million up front.

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The sum demanded was huge, but so too was the potential value of the

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source. He was Iraq's Foreign Minister Naji Sabri.... To defend

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our lands, our people... I gave the intermediary up front a sum of

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money, I won't say exactly how much. Bill Murray gave the intermediary

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$200,000. In cash? In cash. To be used to pay his expenses, to show

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that we were serious and also to provide some personal items for the

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source. Due personally hand over -- did you personally Hanover the

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cash? Yes. In a suitcase, brown paper envelope? I don't remember,

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to tell you the truth, probably, probably a paper bag. We finally

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tracked down the intermediary in Paris. We understand he denies

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receiving any money. His name is Nabil Mo grabi. He wanted money for

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an interview. We said no. Bill Murray gave the intermediary

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questions for the Iraqi Foreign Minister. Top of the lift was WMD.

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-- list was WMD. The intermediary met the minister in New York six

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months before the invasion and only a week before the British

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Government published its dossier which made the case for war. Bill

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Murray received the answers to his questions and a secret sign was

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devised to show the source, Naji Sabri, was on board.

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intermediary had had a couple of suits tailor made for the source.

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One of which he wore when he gave a speech at the UN. That was part of

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the agreement to confirm the relationship between the

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intermediary and the source. when you saw the source, the Saddam

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cabinet minister wearing his new suit what did that tell you? It was

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my new seat. I here by declare before you... It told me that yes,

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they're telling me the truth, they really have had the meeting and you

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know, they've passed the materialsment The American

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officials have been fabricating... Murray couldn't meet the minister,

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so the intermediary briefed him on what Saddam really had. The CIA

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insists the intelligence showed Saddam had WMD programmes. Murray

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says his report was used selectively. He had some chemical

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weapons left over from the early 90s, so he had taken the stocks and

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given them to various tribes that were loyal to him. He had

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intentions to have weapons of mass destruction, chemical, biological

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and nuclear, but the report was very clear about what he actually

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had at that point in time. He had virtually nothing. Were the British

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informed? All the intelligence we had was being passed to them. I

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have to assume that they knew about it. We asked Naji Sabri for an

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interview, but he declined. In a statement he said, "The entire

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story was totally fabricated." He confirmed he had met an Arab

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journalist in New York but disputes the account of the meeting. The

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Bush Administration simply dismissed this secret intelligence

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from Iraq's Foreign Minister on the grounds that "he would say this,

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wouldn't he"? They were not happy. I was told they were not happy.

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not? They just didn't believe it. I was told that the biological

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weapons information didn't square with the information from "our best

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source". It wasn't until later I heard about the history of

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Curveball. Curveball, the code name of

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American intelligence's best source. This shadowy figure was to

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transform the intelligence on WMD, an Iraqi refugee with first-hand

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evidence that Iraq was producing deadly biological weapons. The

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story he would spin began at the Zirndorf refugee camp outside

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Nuremberg, Germany. He arrived here at the end of December 1999

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desperately seek asylum as a refugee from Saddam's tiranical

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rule. We finally managed to track him down in a small German town.

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Hills real name was Rafed Al Janabi. In fear of his life, he disappeared

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from view, seeking anonymity and security. Intransigent my dream was

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not only my dream but the dream of many Iraqis to see Saddam Hussein

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out of power in Iraq. Janabi's details were placed on file at

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Zirndorf. As his background aroused particular interest he was

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interviewed by German intelligence. Intransigent the man told me --

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they've heard your statement. This is the first television interview

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that the head of German intelligence has ever given about

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Curveball. It was very difficult to get inside information at that time

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from Iraq. It was very important for us to have a human source who

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has been engaged in this programme and therefore, it was very valuable

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-- a very valuable source. They didn't know if this guy was a liar

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or telling the truth. If he's telling the truth then there was a

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serious problem. Years of UN inspections prove that Saddam had

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lied and concealed his lethal chemical and biological agents.

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They'd been manufactured in giant vats or fermenters like these. This

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agricultural seed factory is where Curveball said he worked.

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Translation: I worked at site for seven to eight months. This, at

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least, was true. Political asylum and money were on the horizon. He

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told his German interrogators with sketches that he'd been involved in

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developing mobile biological laboratories with fermenters

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mounted on trucks. TRANSLATION: They gave me an opportunity to say

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what I wanted. A lot of the information, which was given to

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German intelligence was extremely detailed and they verified this

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information. German intelligence gave the Americans over 100 top-

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secret reports on Curveball's case. The Americans wanted to meet

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Curveball face to face and make their own assessment of his

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credibility. But the Germans steadfastly refused. He told us, I

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don't want to see the Americans. If he is not willing, really, to meet

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the American side or others, then we have to respect that.

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Germans were telling us he doesn't like Americans. He doesn't speak

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English. He only speaks Arabic and German. He only wants to talk to

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Germans. But there was another reason. The Germans concerned that

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the Americans might overplay Curveball's intelligence. We were

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in a delicate situation. We don't know what the Americans will do

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with the information. We can't control that any longer, so the

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decision was quite clear - give them our level of information and,

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The story began to unravel when the Germans realised that Curveball had

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lied about parts of his story. Satellite imagery confirmed these

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doubts. Photographs contradicted the description of the site where

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Curveball had worked near Baghdad. He said large trucks with trailers

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had been driven in and out of the end warehouse but satellite images

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showed it would have been impossible for a truck to make that

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manoeuvre. What is more there was a six foot wall in the way.

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Curveball's duplicity was well known to his former boss and close

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friend. Each of thing to the other's wedding. We worked together

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for a long time. I knew this guy was a liar. A congenital liar.

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do you say that? He was always making up stories. He was a spy, a

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conman. A disaster worldwide and for Iraqis. After a year of

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interviews with Curveball, German intelligence decided to stop the

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regular meetings with him. At the beginning of two dozen of one he

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was out in the cold, flipping burgers at this fast food outlet

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near Nuremberg. But one seismic event was to change everything and

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place Curveball centre stage once again.

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9/11 gave President Bush the opportunity to achieve his long-

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term goal of overthrowing Saddam Hussein. Erroneously associated him

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with Al-Qaeda. This is a regime that has something to hide from the

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civilised world. States like these and their terraced allies

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constitute an axis of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world.

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What Curveball was saying now seemed too good to dismiss. To the

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White House Curveball underpinned their case. But doubts were growing.

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In the spring of two dozen and to MI6 sent the CIA cable summing up

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its position on Curveball. Elements of his behaviour strike us as

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typical of individuals we normally assessed as fabricators.

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Nevertheless it was... Inclined to believe that a significant

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departure of his reporting is true. I believe there were doubts in MI6

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in this case. And there was a debate and they did not have any

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additional information. Curveball was saying I was first-hand witness

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to the production. I saw accidents were people died. I sort real road

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cars moving stuff. Some of it was quite detailed. That type of Mike

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Rolfe. He was telling us information that people wanted to

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hear. Despite all the reservations, both MI6 and the CIA decided to

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stick with Curveball. And they soon had what they thought was

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corroboration. An Iraqi major who defected confirmed that Iraq has

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mobile biological research laboratories.

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This was the second spy who fooled the world. An Iraqi defector from

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Saddam Hussein's intelligence services who made his way to Jordan.

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His name was major Mohammed Harith. He offered himself to an exile

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group known as the are rushing -- the Iraqi National Congress. He was

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an Iraqi defector in Jordan. He was quite desperate to get out of

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Jordan. Nabil Mussawi was filmed by American television talking to

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major Mohammed Harith. Major Mohammed Harith said it was his

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idea to develop mobile biological laboratories. He said he had

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brought tracks and he revealed how many. But the Americans had doubts

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because his story was so elaborate and unbelievable. He even claimed

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he had met Osama bin Laden. Major Mohammed Harith was given a

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lie-detector test. But perhaps surprisingly he passed. When he

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talked about the robot unit, I did believe it. Was his story true?

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it was fabricated. There was no proof. Why did he fabricate the

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story? I think he wanted to find a new home.

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In the end, neither the Pentagon nor the CIA was convinced. And in

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spring 2002 a berm notice was issued saying that Major Mohammed

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Harith was a fabricator. Americans realised that he was

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making it all up. Yet his intelligence was still quoted.

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with Curveball. Inexplicably as with Curveball, the intelligence

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would remain on file waiting to come back and fight.

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Now there was to be a third attempt to fool the world. Based on the

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nightmare scenario that Saddam Hussein could be developing a

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nuclear weapon. Saddam Hussein is determined to get

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his hands on a nuclear bomb. Once again the story starts with

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the tantalising kernel of truth. This time in Rome. In 1999 a

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genuine secret letter came to light indicating that an Iraqi ambassador

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was planning to visit Niger, a country rich in uranium. But soon

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the fact turned to fantasy. Fantasy would also around this man,

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Rocco Martino, flew over the years have had dealings with the Italian

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and other intelligence agencies. In this so Ben's picture he's meeting

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an intelligence officer. He liked to be a charming man. He was very

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mysterious. And there was something shadowy around him.

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Rocco Martino gave Elisabetta Burba a a set of documents which she

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later gave to the American embassy. Potentially they were at the

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smoking gun that everybody at the time was looking for.

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It is a murky story. What is clear is that Rocco Martino got the

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documents from the Embassy of Niger in Rome and an Italian intelligence

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officer was involved as some stage. The sensational documents detailed

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how Iraq was planning to buy 8500 tons of pure uranium from Niger and

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was signed and sealed by the President of Niger.

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The documents looked authentic and they even included the original

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genuine laughter. But on closer examination they soon turned out to

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be a crude forgery. There were filled with all kinds of

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mistakes. They newest the name of the previous minister of foreign

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affairs. -- they used. It was a pretty bad forgery for stock de -.

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Earlier on Rocco Martino had tried to sell the documents to French

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intelligence but they refuse to take the bait. We were highly

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sceptical. We did not even mention them to any friendly services. And

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we did not trace any acquisition of uranium by Iraq during that whole

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period. French intelligence officers were

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twice dispatched to the uranium mines in Niger and to check it out.

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There reported there was nothing to it. Pierre Brochand talks about the

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spread of the documents. It was disseminated to some intelligence

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services including France, Germany, the UK. Then across the Atlantic

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and in the end only the US and the UK may that public. Because

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probably their immune system was weak.

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The White House eagerly seized on the intelligence. Once again it was

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exactly what they wanted to here. The CIA had his reservations but

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the larger story just kept on turning up.

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My agency tried repeatedly to bang down that whole issue over and over

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again. One of my colleagues referred to it as whack a mole.

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contacted Rocco Martino through this family but they said he was

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too ill to look - judged to do interview. The exact role of

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intelligent services is unclear. The journalist who fuelled the

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story feels guilty. Personally I feel very bad because I have been

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used. To justify a war or which ended up with hundreds of thousands

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of deaths. MI6 stood by in the merger story.

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Not based on the forged documents but on British intelligence

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including eavesdropping from here at GCHQ.

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The current British inquiry into the Intelligence failings chaired

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by Sir John Chilcott is now into its 4th year. Behind its closed

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doors one senior MI6 officer was distinctly underwhelmed by the

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intelligence on the Niger. That uranium story was pretty

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unfortunate. It should never have seen the light of day.

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The late Brian Jones who was head of the WMD section at Defence

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Intelligence was equally dismissive. There was no suggestion in

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intelligence that Saddam Hussein was close to having a nuclear

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weapon. We knew that he had sought nuclear weapons but there was never

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any suggestion that he had acquired them or indeed was close to

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acquiring them. Saddam Hussein's alleged attempt to

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buy uranium from Elijah remained on intelligence files in Washington

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and London just like Curveball's and Major Mohammed Harith's. They

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had sowed the seeds for the biggest intelligence fender in living

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memory. Politically events were now moving

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fast. 11 months before the war, Tony Blair met President Bush at

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his ranch in Texas. Tony Blair agreed to support race seemed

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changed but only if the United Nations wrote had been exhausted. -

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- regime change. Sir Richard Dearlove, the hemp - does the head

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of MI6, but the Prime Minister on his visit to Washington in July. He

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is reported as saying, military action was now seen as inevitable.

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The intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.

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In our view we felt that intelligence was used to justify a

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war which was a walk of choice, of pure choice. But the intelligence

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was used to disguise that as a war of necessity.

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Tony Blair's chief-of-staff, Jonathan Powell, have warned the

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public opinion was fragile and the government now needed a Rolls-Royce

:31:09.:31:17.

information campaign. The last call went out for any

:31:17.:31:20.

further intelligence that could be presented in a dossier designed to

:31:20.:31:26.

be made public. With the publication deadline approaching,

:31:26.:31:32.

three pieces of crucial new intelligence game into MI6.

:31:32.:31:36.

Uncertainty became certainty. Saddam Hussein was now judged to

:31:36.:31:42.

have active chemical and biological weapons.

:31:42.:31:47.

The most dramatic new intelligence was the warning that the WMD could

:31:47.:31:54.

be launched within 45 minutes. has existing and active military

:31:54.:31:57.

plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons which could be

:31:58.:32:03.

activated within 45 minutes. So where did this intelligence come

:32:03.:32:13.
:32:13.:32:18.

The founder headed a military committee with secret cells of

:32:18.:32:27.

dissident army officers inside Iraq. This was all based on very tight-

:32:27.:32:34.

knit connections through relatives to avoid the security of Saddam. We

:32:34.:32:40.

had cells and various units. Information was to be passed to us.

:32:40.:32:45.

Dr Allawi's group was first told about the 45-minute warning when it

:32:45.:32:49.

was planning a coup in the mid90s and feared Saddam would use WMD

:32:49.:32:57.

against defecting soldiers. The warning came from an Iraqi kernel

:32:57.:33:02.

called Al-Dabbagh, an artillery commander in Iraq's western desert.

:33:02.:33:08.

What was the intelligence? That they are ready to, within 45

:33:08.:33:16.

minutes to hit any unit that will defect. With what? With chemical

:33:16.:33:21.

weapons. Did Colonel Al-Dabbagh say he had seen the weapons? No.

:33:21.:33:25.

fact Colonel Al-Dabbagh simply assumed the sealed boxes delivered

:33:25.:33:30.

to his unit contained chemical or biological agents and they'd just

:33:30.:33:36.

be short range weapons for use on the battlefield. Was it clear from

:33:36.:33:41.

the intelligence from Colonel Al- Dabbagh that the 45 minutes was

:33:41.:33:47.

refer to battlefield weapons? it was clear, yes. The intelligence

:33:47.:33:52.

was then passed from Colonel Al- Dabbagh to his relative Brigadier

:33:52.:33:56.

General Muhie, a senior officer in Saddam's military. We contacted him

:33:56.:34:02.

but he didn't want to talk. Brigadier General Muhie pass today

:34:02.:34:07.

to the INA. When you got the information about the 45 minutes,

:34:07.:34:13.

did you pass that information on to MI6? I think it was passed by one

:34:13.:34:21.

of our officers. To MI6? Yes. the time it got to London, the

:34:21.:34:29.

intelligence was third-hand. Unusually, MI6 did not say the 45-

:34:29.:34:33.

minute warning came from on opposition group, albeit a trusted

:34:33.:34:38.

one, but simply said it came from a reliable source. CIA director

:34:38.:34:42.

George Tenet was less than flattering about Britain's 45-

:34:42.:34:49.

minute claim. Reportedly he referred to it as "that 45 minute

:34:49.:34:54.

shit". The 45 minute intelligence prompted serious concern at the

:34:54.:35:00.

MoD's defence intelligence staff. Their experts thought it vague and

:35:00.:35:04.

ambiing Russ -- ambiguous. referred generally to chemical and

:35:04.:35:09.

biological weapons, which immediately suggested that whoever

:35:09.:35:16.

was providing the material didn't have a detailed understanding.

:35:16.:35:20.

first Government inquiry into the use of intelligence was chaired by

:35:20.:35:26.

Lord Butler. He singled out the 45- minute warning as being one of the

:35:26.:35:30.

most misleading intelligence failings, since it implied Iraq was

:35:30.:35:35.

a serious and current threat to the UK. It was interpreted as referring

:35:35.:35:40.

to missiles that you could fire at Cyprus and that did make it

:35:40.:35:46.

sensational. That misunderstanding was due to a bit of sloppy

:35:46.:35:50.

intelligence, unusual because for the most part the intelligence was

:35:50.:35:59.

handled professionally, but in this case, it was left vague. What's

:35:59.:36:06.

more, although MI6 knew that the 45-minute claim referred to short-

:36:06.:36:11.

range battlefield weapons and not long-range missiles, this critical

:36:11.:36:16.

distinction was never mentioned in their intelligence report or in the

:36:16.:36:22.

Government's dossier. Indeed, the MI6 chief Sir Richard Dearlove

:36:22.:36:26.

admits he knew it only referred to battlefield weapons. But MI6 never

:36:26.:36:30.

told the Prime Minister or ever mentioned it in the dossier.

:36:30.:36:34.

think it was a serious owe mission because it misled a lot of people.

:36:34.:36:44.
:36:44.:36:45.

So I think one can say that it was a serious error in the dossier.

:36:45.:36:50.

there were still more errors to come. Just 12 days before the

:36:50.:36:53.

dossier was published, Sir Richard Dearlove took personal charge of

:36:53.:36:57.

the other two pieces of new intelligence and drove to Downing

:36:57.:37:04.

Street to brief the Prime Minister. For the first time, MI6 had a spy

:37:04.:37:09.

who claimed to have direct access to the production of chemical and

:37:09.:37:17.

biological agents. He became known as the new source on trial. Sir

:37:17.:37:21.

Richard called it a significant breakthrough. Although the source

:37:21.:37:27.

was not quoted in the dossier, the intelligence was seized upon as

:37:27.:37:35.

confirmation that Saddam had active WMD. It was an exciting event, last

:37:35.:37:42.

minute, rather like stop press news in a newspaper. So people did act.

:37:42.:37:48.

I think with undue haste. Giving evidence to the Chilcot Inquiry

:37:48.:37:52.

some MI6 officers were highly sceptical of the new source on

:37:53.:37:58.

trial. It was... Being torn Ovcharov the teleprinter and rushed

:37:58.:38:03.

to Number Ten with a little more haste than was probably appropriate.

:38:03.:38:06.

Another said it was... Wishful thinking, which promised the crock

:38:06.:38:12.

of gold at the end of the rainbow. Why wasn't it shown to the defence

:38:12.:38:16.

intelligence staff who could have made a proper assessment of it?

:38:16.:38:23.

Because it was thought dangerous that here was a new source on trial

:38:23.:38:30.

and if it was compromised in any way, the source might be lost.

:38:30.:38:36.

found it quite difficult to believe that there could zist a single

:38:36.:38:40.

piece of intelligence -- could exist a single piece of

:38:40.:38:43.

intelligence in which there could be such great confidence. This made

:38:43.:38:48.

me suspicious about it and about what was going on. I think it was a

:38:48.:38:53.

serious mistake that it wasn't shown to the analysts, it always

:38:53.:38:58.

should be shown to the people who can analyse its validity.

:38:58.:39:02.

Richard Dearlove also told Tony Blair of more dramatic new

:39:02.:39:06.

intelligence. It seemed to corroborate Curveball's claims of

:39:06.:39:12.

mobile biological labs. I was told and specifically briefed about

:39:12.:39:17.

these mobile production facilities for biological weapons. So this was

:39:17.:39:24.

an additional and new factor. MI6 chief said one of their trusted

:39:24.:39:30.

spies code named red river had heard that Iraq had developed

:39:30.:39:36.

biological fermenter to be carried on lorries or railway trucks. The

:39:36.:39:42.

problem was it was here say. Red River was basing this on what he

:39:42.:39:46.

was told by someone else, whom MI6 had never met. What's more that

:39:46.:39:49.

someone else had never claimed that the fermenters had any connection

:39:49.:39:55.

with biological weapons. This really didn't substantiate

:39:55.:39:59.

Curveball's information but it was complementary to it. What this

:39:59.:40:04.

illustrates is that you must always subject those reports to the

:40:04.:40:08.

technical experts. We asked Sir Richard Dearlove to comment, but he

:40:08.:40:14.

said he could not ahead of the forth coming Chilcot report.

:40:14.:40:18.

General Sir Mike Jackson was Britain's senior soldier when

:40:18.:40:23.

troops were sent to fight a war, allegedly justified by this

:40:23.:40:26.

intelligence. What I do know is intelligence sources do not always

:40:26.:40:29.

tell the truth. What appeared to be gold in terms of intelligence

:40:30.:40:35.

turned out to be fool's gold, because it looked like gold but it

:40:35.:40:45.

wasn't. When the eagerly awaited dossier was finally published, the

:40:45.:40:49.

Prime Minister lost no time in telling Parliament that the

:40:50.:40:54.

intelligence case had been established beyond doubt.

:40:54.:40:57.

weapons of mass destruction programme is active, detailed and

:40:57.:41:04.

growing. The trouble was the intelligence was never that certain,

:41:04.:41:10.

as defence analysts felt at the time. We had not seen evidence that

:41:10.:41:15.

established that beyond doubt. That concerned us. The weapons of mass

:41:15.:41:21.

destruction programme is not shut down. It is up and running now.

:41:21.:41:31.
:41:31.:41:31.

was just guessing that there could be reSidual stocks and reassumption

:41:31.:41:35.

of activities. It concludes that Iraq has chemical and biological

:41:35.:41:41.

weapons, that Saddam has continued to produce them. There was a

:41:41.:41:45.

contistent effort to find insell jepbs that supported pre-conceived

:41:46.:41:49.

positions and desires. He has existing and active military plans

:41:49.:41:53.

for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be

:41:53.:41:59.

activated within 45 minutes. that was a surprising statement to

:41:59.:42:05.

us in the military. What was your reaction? Extremely surprised.

:42:06.:42:10.

were quite dismissive of that intelligence and thought it was

:42:10.:42:14.

transparently weak. What was your reaction to the 45-minute claim?

:42:15.:42:22.

haven't had such kind of information. The intelligence

:42:22.:42:26.

picture they paint is one accumulated over the last four

:42:26.:42:33.

years. It is extensive, detailed and authoritytive. In fact, the

:42:33.:42:37.

original intelligence that was given to the Prime Minister was

:42:38.:42:44.

clearly qualified. It said: "Intelligence remains limited, is

:42:44.:42:49.

sporadic and patchy." The crucial qualifications to the

:42:49.:42:52.

intelligence were totally absent from the Government's dossier in

:42:52.:42:57.

order to make a convincing case to the public and to Parliament. It

:42:57.:43:04.

seems the Government wanted to leave little room for doubt.

:43:04.:43:07.

qualifications should have been there, because I think that in a

:43:07.:43:12.

sense, this was the mistake, the dossier led people to believe that

:43:12.:43:20.

because it was intelligence, it was uniquely worthy of belief. There

:43:20.:43:25.

was other intelligence from human and technical sources,

:43:25.:43:27.

eavesdropping and intercepts, but they painted a less alarming

:43:27.:43:32.

picture. Blair's critics have accused him of deliberately sexing

:43:32.:43:36.

up the dossier by owe mitting these qualifications and including flakey

:43:36.:43:42.

intelligence. Was Tony Blair a liar? No, I don't believe he was a

:43:42.:43:49.

liar. I believe that when he said what he believed about Saddam

:43:49.:43:56.

Hussein, he was speaking the truth, but I think, because the

:43:56.:44:02.

qualifications on the evidence weren't made clear, I think he

:44:02.:44:06.

oversold the case. But that's the reason why there are so many people

:44:06.:44:11.

today who feel outraged still today that they were misled by the Prime

:44:11.:44:14.

Minister. Yes, but I think one could say in the Prime Minister's

:44:14.:44:21.

defence that he misled himself. He, and indeed the intelligence

:44:21.:44:29.

community, had misled themselves. When the dossier was published, the

:44:29.:44:35.

invasion was just six months away. America's war machine was waiting

:44:35.:44:42.

for the signal to go. Now the Bush Administration was determined to

:44:42.:44:47.

use Curveball to clinch the case for war. The CIA was more anxious

:44:47.:44:56.

than ever to meet him face to face. At a Washington restaurant Tyler

:44:56.:44:59.

Drumheller pressed his contact in German intelligence for access to

:44:59.:45:06.

Curveball. He and I were good friends. We had a lot to talk about.

:45:06.:45:11.

At the end, I said, "By the way, they asked me to ask you about the

:45:11.:45:15.

Curveball case. Is there any way they can get access to him. It's

:45:15.:45:18.

really important." He said don't ask, they're not going to give you

:45:18.:45:22.

access. He said look, this is a source we don't have any

:45:22.:45:26.

corroboration for. I'll tell you off the record, he said, that I

:45:26.:45:29.

think personally, he said I dealt with this case, I believe

:45:30.:45:36.

personally that he may be a fabricator. The CIA stkrector says

:45:36.:45:43.

Drumheller failed to pass this and other warnings on. Just before

:45:43.:45:48.

Christmas 2002, the head of German intelligence August Hanning sent a

:45:48.:45:53.

personal cabelling to CIA director George Tenet warning about the

:45:53.:45:57.

intelligence from Curveball. It is not confirmed, please be cautious

:45:57.:46:02.

to use this kind of not confirmed information. Of course he was a

:46:02.:46:06.

single source. He was a single source. We told them. Did you do

:46:06.:46:12.

enough to warn the Americans, to warn the CIA about Curveball?

:46:12.:46:21.

But they were not in a state or in a mind set to be warned. The CIA

:46:21.:46:25.

says Hanning's cable never left Drumheller's office. George Tenet

:46:25.:46:31.

says he never got that cable from the head... But he did. But he says

:46:31.:46:35.

he did. I tell you he did. You have to put my word against George

:46:35.:46:41.

Tenet's. I won't say he lied, but I just say I know. How do you know he

:46:42.:46:46.

got it? Because we sent it to him. Apparently there are other senior

:46:46.:46:50.

officers who don't have any specific recollection of these 11th

:46:50.:46:53.

hour warnings that came from Tyler Drumheller. I have complete faith

:46:53.:46:56.

in the integrity both of George Tenet and of John McLaughlin his

:46:56.:47:05.

George Tenet says he never got your cable. It was addressed to him

:47:05.:47:09.

personally himself to him, I have no explanation for it. Do you

:47:09.:47:19.
:47:19.:47:28.

believe George Tenet? I always By the return of the year no one in

:47:28.:47:32.

the White House or donning Street down to that war was imminent.

:47:32.:47:39.

Debtor at Downing Street. I do not believe the issue of W o d e was

:47:39.:47:44.

the sole reason to go to war. It was that strategic dimension. And

:47:44.:47:53.

without doubt the ideological mood in Washington was that way. Would

:47:53.:48:01.

the war have happened anyway? believe that the United States were

:48:01.:48:07.

determined to deal with the Saddam Hussein regime.

:48:07.:48:11.

Finally there was to be one last piece of intelligence that could

:48:11.:48:20.

have stopped the war. Incredibly the source was the Iraqi head of

:48:20.:48:26.

intelligence, Habbush Al-Tikitri, the Jack of Diamonds on America's

:48:26.:48:31.

notorious deck of cards. Three months before the war and LA6

:48:31.:48:39.

officer met him in Jordan. We understand that Habbush Al-Tikitri

:48:39.:48:44.

told MI6 that Saddam Hussein had no active weapons of mass destruction.

:48:44.:48:50.

The same message as that conveyed by the Iraqi Foreign Minister just

:48:50.:48:54.

days before the British dossier it was published. But it was not what

:48:54.:48:59.

London or Washington wanted to hear. Apparently they dismissed it out of

:48:59.:49:06.

hand because they thought it was propaganda. It did the fit exactly

:49:06.:49:13.

into the story. Did you get information about the

:49:13.:49:19.

meeting between MI6 Secret Intelligence Service and Habbush in

:49:19.:49:24.

Jordan? Was that part of the paperwork you had from SIS? Were

:49:25.:49:31.

discovered it was part of the paperwork we got. We discover that

:49:31.:49:37.

after the event. Why was it not discovered before? And cannot

:49:37.:49:43.

explain that. This was something which I think our review did miss.

:49:43.:49:48.

But when we asked about it we were told it was not a very significant

:49:48.:49:56.

factor. Because SIS discounted it. It was something they said was

:49:56.:50:00.

designed by Saddam Hussein to mislead. Claud Butler's inquiry did

:50:01.:50:06.

not even know about the Iraqi Foreign Minister, the man in the

:50:06.:50:14.

new suit. Were you aware that that Serie A had retreated to the Iraqi

:50:14.:50:19.

Foreign Minister as a source? not. One would have thought he

:50:19.:50:24.

would have been informed of that. If SIS was aware of it then we

:50:24.:50:29.

should have been informed. It is possible that if MI6 and the Serie

:50:29.:50:34.

A had been able to convince Tony Blair and President Bush of the

:50:34.:50:37.

validity of the intelligence there were getting from their two most

:50:37.:50:41.

highly placed sources, the Iraqi Foreign Minister and head of

:50:41.:50:44.

intelligence, then Britain and America it might not have gone to

:50:44.:50:52.

war. But by this time the die had probably been cast.

:50:52.:50:56.

The month before the invasion, despite the growing doubts,

:50:56.:51:02.

Curveball was about to be revealed to the world. The US secretary of

:51:02.:51:06.

state Colin Powell prepared to make a landmark speech to the United

:51:06.:51:13.

Nations. Tyler Drumheller says he was sent the draft for vetting.

:51:13.:51:19.

There was a whole bunch of stuff on Curveball. I called my new boss and

:51:19.:51:26.

he said you had better check this with John McLaughlan. I said

:51:26.:51:33.

there's a problem with this, we should not use it. They are

:51:33.:51:37.

paragraphs from crows for all through the speech. John McLaughlin

:51:37.:51:42.

said he has no recollection of you telling him this. Someone is not

:51:42.:51:47.

telling the truth. I am telling the truth. The night before the speech

:51:47.:51:51.

Colin Powell and George Tenet were closeted in a hotel room in New

:51:51.:51:59.

York with their top aides. I sat with George Tenet until around 2

:51:59.:52:03.

o'clock or later. The atmosphere was serious. We knew this was

:52:03.:52:09.

profound and we knew we had to get it perfect. Did Colin Powell

:52:09.:52:13.

question the intelligence he was being given on weapons of mass

:52:13.:52:18.

destruction? The secretary of state not only Quested it but quench

:52:18.:52:25.

under intensely. To judge questioned it intensely.

:52:25.:52:32.

daughter answered the phone and it was George calling from the United

:52:32.:52:38.

Nations. He wanted to get a telephone number for somebody in

:52:38.:52:47.

SIS. I said that German report, make sure they do not use that.

:52:47.:52:55.

There is a lot of problems with that. He said, it is under control.

:52:55.:53:01.

George Tenet says he has no word -- no recollection of that. One of us

:53:01.:53:06.

is not telling the whole truth. I am quite comfortable with what I

:53:06.:53:11.

had to say. Every statement I made to date is backed up by a solid

:53:11.:53:19.

sources. These are not anything but solid intelligence. A monetary the

:53:19.:53:24.

person presiding over the United Nations session was the German

:53:24.:53:28.

foreign minister. He knew there was a big question hanging over

:53:28.:53:35.

Curveball. Colin Powell said these are facts. We knew that the veil

:53:35.:53:41.

fact is that neither Colin Howell nor a week could prove that these

:53:41.:53:48.

are facts. It might be true, it might not. The source was an eye

:53:48.:53:51.

witness, an Iraqi chemical engineer who supervised one of these

:53:52.:53:56.

facilities. He was actually present during biological agent production

:53:56.:54:06.

runs. Colin Powell said that the source was president -- was present

:54:06.:54:16.
:54:16.:54:16.

during the biological runs. We are present? Know. Way you present on

:54:16.:54:22.

site when the accident occurred? was not. We have first-hand

:54:22.:54:27.

descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails.

:54:27.:54:34.

You say you provided diagrams of the mobile biological tracks. You

:54:34.:54:42.

were making that up? And also, you made a model, you constructed a

:54:42.:54:52.

model of these trucks. Again, you made that up? I turned on the

:54:52.:54:57.

television in my office and it is the Curveball stuff he's going

:54:57.:55:07.
:55:07.:55:10.

through. Not only that he has got graphics of mobile trailers. Which

:55:10.:55:14.

gave me the impression that this was drawn from things that could

:55:14.:55:22.

fall said. All of it was Maurice? Yes. This has been corroborated by

:55:22.:55:28.

other sources. An Iraqi Major had affected confirmed that Iraq has

:55:28.:55:32.

mobile biological research laboratories. That was the second

:55:32.:55:39.

spy who fooled the world. Major Mohammed Harith. But inexplicably,

:55:39.:55:44.

no one had told Colin Howell that he had been formally dismissed as a

:55:44.:55:52.

fabricator nine months before. is Curveball, that is it. It was

:55:52.:56:00.

based on lies. Gradually the lines were revealed.

:56:00.:56:06.

Three days after Colin Powell's presentation, United Nations

:56:06.:56:11.

inspectors now back in Iraq visited the site worker Paul said he had

:56:11.:56:18.

seen them off while biological laboratories. What did you find?

:56:18.:56:27.

lot of corn, a lot of seed. A lot of nothing. We have first-hand

:56:27.:56:35.

descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels. The building

:56:35.:56:41.

was dusty, extremely dusty. There were some old equipment. I did not

:56:41.:56:45.

recognise it. I don't think any have been used for biological

:56:45.:56:50.

production. And the 6 ft wall for a block the entrance to the warehouse

:56:50.:56:55.

was still there. I do not know the last time the human was in that

:56:55.:57:01.

building but it was a long time. This was clearly not in use for a

:57:01.:57:05.

long time and clearly not a biological production facility. At

:57:05.:57:11.

that stage I was very disappointed. As doubts were growing about the

:57:11.:57:15.

strength of the intelligence case, 1 million demonstrators marched

:57:15.:57:20.

through London to express their opposition to the imminent invasion.

:57:20.:57:27.

Tony Blair remained adamant. This is not the time to falter. This is

:57:27.:57:30.

the time for this house not just this government or this Prime

:57:30.:57:34.

Minister, but for this House to give the lead. To show we will

:57:35.:57:39.

stand up for what we know to be right.

:57:39.:57:45.

The following night, of the war began. In a matter of weeks Saddam

:57:45.:57:54.

Hussein's regime was toppled. After the war was over and the fall of

:57:54.:57:59.

Saddam Hussein, MI6 and the CSA traverse the Middle East hoping to

:57:59.:58:03.

track down their precious agents. They helped to confirm that they

:58:03.:58:08.

were reliable sources and find out where the elusive weapons of mass

:58:08.:58:14.

destruction were hidden. There were no weapons of mass

:58:14.:58:18.

destruction and no substance to the corroborating sources on which MI6

:58:18.:58:23.

had relied. The two key pieces of the last minute intelligence that

:58:23.:58:27.

the MI6 chief have personally conveyed to Tony Blair were

:58:27.:58:33.

withdrawn. The new source on trial was deemed to be unreliable. Red

:58:33.:58:40.

River was given a lie-detector test and failed. And what is more, the

:58:40.:58:46.

controversial 45 minute claim was withdrawn.

:58:46.:58:51.

There was even if one report that MI6 trace the source back to a

:58:51.:58:57.

small Jordanian town. He was a taxi driver who said he had overheard

:58:57.:59:01.

Iraqi generals talking about weapons of mass destruction in the

:59:01.:59:06.

back of his cab. It seemed to epitomise how flaky some of the

:59:06.:59:13.

intelligence was. It was a year after the invasion

:59:13.:59:18.

before this series finally got to meet Curveball. An MI6 officer was

:59:18.:59:23.

also present. Curveball was shown a satellite photograph of the site

:59:23.:59:29.

where he had worked. It bore no relation to how he had described it.

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Curveball said that has been doctored. But it had not. He just

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stopped talking. Then he said I told you this was a mistake. What

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