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secretive nation, North Korea's supreme commander, Kim Jong Un, is | :00:16. | :00:26. | |
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threatening thermonuclear war spends eight days undercover inside | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
the most rigidly controlled nation on earth. | :00:35. | :00:42. | |
So welcome to the real North Korea. A landscape bleak beyond words, a | :00:42. | :00:52. | |
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regime apparently marching towards But is this talk of war for real? Or | :00:56. | :01:03. | |
a regime afraid for its own survival playing a shadow game? We may see a | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
thermonuclear war. I am sure it is not the North Korean plan to unleash | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
that kind of thing, but it might come to that as the result of a | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
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We are flying into the strangest nation on earth, unstable, paranoid, | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
aggressive, and after its latest nuclear test in February, even | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
China, it's all die, voted against it in the UN. -- its old ally. No | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
wonder North Korea is fast running out of friends. Journalists are all | :01:56. | :02:05. | |
but banned, so I am going in undercover, part of a two group. | :02:05. | :02:14. | |
Guide Number One is the regime's to North Korea at an interesting | :02:15. | :02:24. | |
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time. The situation is very tense, were both our guides, and also our | :02:50. | :02:57. | |
ever vigilant escorts. We are on an official eight-day tour, so the | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
guides put this up in one of the top hotels in the Democratic People's | :03:02. | :03:12. | |
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Republic of Korea. A pity about the lights, it stinks. | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
And this is the view outside the hotel, they are building a bank, | :03:22. | :03:30. | |
night and day. Day and night. It is now four in the morning. They | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
never stop. I am told it is a joint venture with | :03:37. | :03:47. | |
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a Chinese bank, a rare sign of style. Joining us today is the | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
trip's official cameraman. He films us, we film him, he films as filming | :04:04. | :04:11. | |
him. This is a controlled society, but what is the ideology behind it? | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
The official video they made about the trip, with their words and | :04:15. | :04:22. | |
music, given to us at the end, provides a clue. This is a monument | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
to the party. It was erected in October 1995 to mark the 15th | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
anniversary of the founding of the workers party of Korea. So there is | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
the hammer, there is the sickle, and there is the paintbrush, workers by | :04:39. | :04:47. | |
hand and by brain. It feels like symbols of an old religion. | :04:47. | :04:56. | |
The main square. Many see North Korea as a communist state. Years | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
ago, Mark Sanders Lenin still had pride of place, but this year, on | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
our trip, they have gone. -- Marx and Lenin. Now you see them, now you | :05:06. | :05:15. | |
don't. So what sort of system is this? North Korea has a higher share | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
of the population in uniform than Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy had | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
until the Second World War, so I think it is much more accurate to | :05:22. | :05:30. | |
look at North Korea as a far right state, and ultranationalist state. | :05:31. | :05:40. | |
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superior. Kim Jong Il was an unabashed admirer of Hitler and | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
copied him quite consciously, down to details like the Nuremberg | :05:45. | :05:55. | |
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marchers, which are staged in banned from taking cameras in. Kim | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
Il Sung has been dead these past 19 years, but he still calls the shots. | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
As far as I know, it is the only nation in the world ruled by a dead | :06:15. | :06:22. | |
man. The generalissimo, Kim Il Sung, is still the leader of the country. | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
But he is a corpse. I am sorry, you don't understand the North Korean | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
ideology, the religious nature of this. He is a kind of God. The lives | :06:32. | :06:42. | |
eternally. -- the lives eternally. As does his son, Kim Jong ill, Kim | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
2, who lives in his own glass box. When he died nearly two years ago, | :06:48. | :06:58. | |
his younger son, Kim Jong Un, then 28, took over the family firm. Kim | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
the Third was schooled in Switzerland, became a general at 27, | :07:02. | :07:09. | |
and has linked his staff firmly to the military. -- start. So North | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
Korea is not a match list, militaristic, and its leaders are | :07:12. | :07:21. | |
God. -- ultranationalist. It is a worrying combination. TRANSLATION: | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
In North Korea, if you say the wrong thing, you will die. You will be | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
sent to a political prison camp. If you know or hear something, you must | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
pretend to be ignorant. Disagreement is not an option. Disagreement means | :07:34. | :07:44. | |
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The ideology may be terrifying, but does this place really work? At this | :07:49. | :07:59. | |
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bottling plant, on the production first. -- pay homage to claim the | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
first. I bow, it is what expected given the godlike nature of the | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
Kims. It is at the entrance of what we are told is a collective farm. | :08:27. | :08:37. | |
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You get the feeling that this is not loudspeakers all day long. So what | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
about the farm workers? Where do they live? They show as a model | :09:02. | :09:11. | |
house, with model family, model kitchen and a fridge full of food. | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
But this did not seem to have anything to do with farming. | :09:17. | :09:27. | |
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Pretty much a real-life farming the regime's worthies and foreigners | :09:32. | :09:42. | |
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like us. Breakfast, in a gilded We sneak out of the spa hotel. The | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
barbed wire separates us from the locals. North Korea is one of the | :09:55. | :10:04. | |
poorest places on earth. So welcome to the real career. | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
-- the real North Korea. Life is bleak year, no reliable power, no | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
freedoms as we know them, not even to travel to the capital without | :10:13. | :10:23. | |
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Please don't take photos! The more we see, the worse it gets. | :10:26. | :10:34. | |
Our tour guides are anxious for us not to capture the poverty. | :10:34. | :10:42. | |
photos, no photos! Here, a woman washes clothes in an icy river. | :10:42. | :10:51. | |
People scavenge in mode. -- mud. And if this is a market, there was not | :10:51. | :10:58. | |
much on sale. No smoke from this chimney. It looks | :10:58. | :11:08. | |
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as though it has been idle for some giant industrial complex. They make | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
electricity generators here, they say. There goes the electricity | :11:19. | :11:28. | |
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again. We ask for a tour of the when things go wrong. Do they do the | :11:42. | :11:48. | |
same with their own people? When you talk to North Korean is about the | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
state of their country, a lot of them recognise that North Korea is | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
very backward and very poor. But they tend to blame that on outside | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
interference, American sanctions, and indeed if a light bulb blows in | :12:03. | :12:13. | |
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Pyongyang, people will say, blame Dave ball, it is good morning, | :12:14. | :12:24. | |
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Pyongyang! Until you switch on the DMZ, the demilitarised zone where | :12:40. | :12:50. | |
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North Korea stops and South Korea the border with South Korea. Today | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
it does not feel like a battlefront, no movement, no manoeuvres, no big | :13:19. | :13:26. | |
guns. But the DMZ's history is at the root of the North's current | :13:26. | :13:34. | |
paranoia about America. In 1950, North Korea, supported by Stalin and | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
Mao, invaded the south. The Americans, the British and others | :13:38. | :13:45. | |
helped the South fightback. They have been effective in blasting the | :13:45. | :13:51. | |
Reds from a strong position. Three years later and 1 million | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
dead, the border was back to where it had been, the 38th parallel. The | :13:58. | :14:08. | |
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two sites declared a ceasefire, but matters. I as if it might have been | :14:18. | :14:28. | |
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the North. -- I ask. But is there going to be another one? | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
In England we are less afraid because we are further away. | :14:34. | :14:44. | |
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bomb seven years ago. Now their latest propaganda claims their | :14:55. | :15:05. | |
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In reality, they could hit South Korea, Japan and possibly American | :15:16. | :15:24. | |
bases in the Pacific. At the border, on a day when Pyongyang is boasting | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
its rockets are primed and ready to fire, it could not be more peaceful. | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
But on the far side of the blue huts, something is missing. Usually, | :15:34. | :15:41. | |
there are South Koreans on guard, sometimes Americans, too. Today it | :15:41. | :15:49. | |
is eerily quiet. At the moment this is a war of words. Will there be a | :15:49. | :15:59. | |
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But for now, they are relaxed Next stop, a few miles North of the | :16:19. | :16:27. | |
border, it is that man again. Kim the first's cult of personality is | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
everywhere, reforming people's thoughts. It certainly would appear | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
that the North Koreans are brainwashed. When you talk to North | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
Koreans, you can have a normal conversation and think you are | :16:40. | :16:50. | |
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really dealing with a human being, people brainwashed. Mobile phones | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
are very important for keeping information transmitted quickly | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
about what is going on inside North Korea. I expect you will find that | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
the chattering class in Pyongyang know very quickly about events that | :17:39. | :17:48. | |
happen in the North East. This is quite a big change. A night out in | :17:48. | :17:55. | |
Pyongyang. Our guide has a lullaby for us, the nation's reunification | :17:55. | :18:05. | |
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As the regime talks up thermonuclear war, our other guide | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
sets out the Frank Sinatra doctrine. Back at the hotel, the power is off | :18:22. | :18:32. | |
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again. Now you don't see any light, now you do. Look at this shot taken | :18:35. | :18:42. | |
from space. Compare the night sky. The North without a sad glowworm, | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
and the South blazing with light. A few miles South of the border, it | :18:47. | :18:57. | |
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Welcome to South Korea. As you can see, it is just like North Korea... | :19:02. | :19:12. | |
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Well, it might be a bit different. In South Korea, they have all sorts | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
of things they don't have in North Korea. Shops, adverts, | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
individuality, freedom of religion, freedom to go for a walk. There are | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
25,000 defectors from the North here. The question is, why are | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
there not more? I am here to meet a doctor from the North are now free | :19:33. | :19:41. | |
to speak, albeit anonymously. Koreans wonder why North Koreans do | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
not rebel. Brainwashing starts in the wound. It is natural to bow to | :19:46. | :19:55. | |
the portraits of the Kims every morning. -- in the womb. Back in | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
the North, on the outskirts of Pyongyang, we pass a military | :19:58. | :20:08. | |
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And in town, they are testing the public address system. The | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
something is going on. We have seen loads more soldiers. It is very | :20:17. | :20:25. | |
difficult to film, but you can feel the tension rising. The problem is, | :20:25. | :20:32. | |
it is impossible for us to ask what is really happening. We don't know. | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
Instead there is a trip to the People's Library. I ask for one | :20:36. | :20:46. | |
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particular book. 1984. Any English books? George Orwell predicted a | :20:47. | :20:56. | |
world where threat of constant walk out the masses subdued. They have | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
not got 1984, but they have got Discovering Food And Nutrition. | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
Grimly ironic, because although you would not know it in Pyongyang, | :21:04. | :21:13. | |
mass starvation is the regime's darkest failure. In the 1990s, | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
North Korea lost its old mentor, the Soviet Union. The economy | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
collapsed. They suffered one of the worst famines in modern times. | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
Maybe 1 million died. Maybe more. But images like these would never | :21:27. | :21:35. | |
be shown in North Korea. This man escaped seven years ago. Back then, | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
Ji Seong Ho was starving. While stealing coal from a train to sell | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
for food, he fell under the wheels of the train and lost a leg and a | :21:44. | :21:50. | |
hand. I think I lost my mind from dizziness, sleep deprivation and | :21:50. | :22:00. | |
hunger. My grandmother and my neighbours died of starvation. When | :22:00. | :22:07. | |
you went into the cities, train stations, markets and alleyways, | :22:07. | :22:17. | |
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you found lots of dead bodies. I do not know the exact number, but | :22:18. | :22:26. | |
countless people died. Countless. Officially the famine was | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
downplayed, but malnutrition continues. Two years ago, the UN | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
estimated that 6 million people, a quarter of the population, needed | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
urgent food aid. We are on the road again, heading over the mountains | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
East. Due North of here is something our guides would never | :22:48. | :22:58. | |
ever show us, the North Korean gulag. These shocking images speak | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
of life-and-death inside the regime's concentration camps. | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
Panorama has tracked down a defective brave enough to go on | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
camera to tell his story. Jung Gwang-Il was a prisoner in Camp 15. | :23:11. | :23:18. | |
How did they bury the dead in the winter when the ground was cold? | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
We don't bury them. We leave the dead bodies in a warehouse until | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
April. We bury them in April. When we go to bury them, they are | :23:29. | :23:37. | |
already rotten and totally decomposed. So they are shovels | :23:37. | :23:47. | |
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like rubbish and buried. -- shovel it like rubbish. How many people at | :23:50. | :23:56. | |
once? 72 to 80 people.Has the new leader decided to shut down the | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
gulag? Far from it. The cans are getting bigger not smaller. Day | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
seven, we have been taken out of the city. In Pyongyang they stage a | :24:08. | :24:16. | |
military parade. The regime is shaking his fist at the world. For | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
us, a ride on the Metro. There are adverts and it just so happens to | :24:20. | :24:29. | |
be the deepest in the world. Handy if the war ever did go nuclear. | :24:29. | :24:35. | |
This is the first time we bump into ordinary North Koreans. Even in the | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
tube, the wall of sound from the regime never let up. There are | :24:39. | :24:48. | |
times when it feels like we are inside a doomsday cult. The papers | :24:48. | :24:58. | |
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are full of warmongering and But the military-first policy has a | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
price. On the day the regime orders its forces on standby, they take us | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
to one of the country's biggest hospitals. Here the doctor says | :25:14. | :25:21. | |
they can care for 1300 patients. In the mausoleum, it was light and | :25:21. | :25:29. | |
warm. And in the hospital? It is freezing. At least the power is on. | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
But it has gone again. They show us a series of fancy machines. A CT | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
scanner, UV lights, but something is missing. We have not seen a | :25:40. | :25:50. | |
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single patient. Why are there no Normally they treat the patients in | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
the morning. Why are we not allowed to see them? We asked a doctor | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
about her experience of North Korean hospitals. If you had said | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
that you needed more medicine for the patients, what would have | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
happened to you? They would kill me, the next day or that same day. They | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
would kill you regardless of your ranking. Even a high-ranking | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
official would be killed. Everyone knows that. It is the end of our | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
tour, and we still have not seen any patients. Tell the doctor we | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
are not idiots. We have not seen any patients. Please don't treat us | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
in this way. The doctor explains that we cannot see patients without | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
their permission, but we cannot ask for that without seeing them. Catch | :26:56. | :27:06. | |
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22. Then they take us for retreat. And who should I bump into in the | :27:07. | :27:14. | |
stalls? What feels like the entire North Korean officer corps. Top | :27:14. | :27:22. | |
billing at the Circus, soaring above a trapeze, a rocket. The | :27:22. | :27:32. | |
officers go wild. Do they mean it? Are they putting on a show, too? | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
The people are indoctrinated to believe that North Korea must | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
exercise mode true power. When I lived there, we used to say that it | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
would be better for war to break out so everyone can live together | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
and see the end. But what if this goes wrong? North Korea is on a | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
collision course with United States and South Korea. We may see a | :27:55. | :28:05. | |
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thermonuclear war, but not because untested leader of the soldier | :28:17. | :28:23. | |
state must threaten war to stamp his authority, at home and abroad. | :28:23. | :28:32. | |
Unless China, his major ally, reins him in, there is a danger that he | :28:32. | :28:39. | |
could take that logic too far. Jong Un is not yet fully in control, | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
I think. He needs to keep showing that he is strong. He wants to be | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
the North Korean leader of who forces the United States to come to | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
the negotiating table on their terms to admit that North Korea is | :28:51. | :29:01. | |
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a nuclear state, and preferably to that they cannot live any more. He | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
keeps insisting that he wants a war when the markets are closed and | :29:06. | :29:16. | |
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