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COMMENTATOR: And there are fans on the pitch here in the six yard area.

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The referee's going to have to stop the game.

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Tonight, new evidence about the cover-up over Hillsborough.

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It was decided very early on, this is the way it is going to go,

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we can't possibly be blamed, the police can't possibly be blamed.

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With a new inquest ordered,

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pictures never before broadcast reveal how Britain's

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worst sporting disaster was allowed to happen.

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-It's on yous boys.

-It's not on.

-It's all on yous now.

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You are the eyes of the world. You've got to show this to everybody.

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But the full story wasn't told,

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and the truth was buried for a generation.

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It was cut out by a public servant

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who didn't want the rest of the world to see that evidence.

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It is a disgrace.

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Some witnesses were leaned on.

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They've got their story straight.

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If you keep talking in this way it's not going to do you any good.

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Others were discredited.

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He'd never been described as naive before.

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In fact, he'd always been described as a very astute man

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with a great deal of integrity.

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It's a scandal that taints the political establishment...

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I didn't get this thing right.

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I got it wrong, and I can't turn the clock back.

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..and justice was denied for the families of 96 people who died.

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They used to say, "You're right, Anne,

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"but you'll not beat the system."

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How could anybody, as a decent human being,

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put people through nearly 24 years and they knew?

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I've been following Liverpool Football Club all my life.

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I've watched them grow to become one of the world's biggest clubs

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with an international following.

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As a fan, the excitement you get

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from being at the match is hard to beat.

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We were just as keen back in the 1980s

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on the day we all went over to Sheffield for another big match -

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an FA Cup semi-final.

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FANS CHANTING

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Hillsborough, Sheffield, April 15th, 1989.

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Liverpool had asked for more space at the ground because they had

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more supporters than the opposition, Nottingham Forest.

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But, on the advice of South Yorkshire Police,

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the FA turned them down.

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So, 24,000 of us were squeezed into the bottleneck

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which was our entrance on Leppings Lane.

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There was a mass of people outside the ground,

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couldn't see the turnstiles,

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and didn't really see any of the police,

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and I was quite shocked.

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Stephanie was 18, going to her first away game

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with her older brother, Richard, and his girlfriend, Tracey.

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I thought, maybe this is what it's like, maybe it's just

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good policing at Liverpool ground, I don't know,

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cos I'd not been away before.

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It wasn't only fans like Stephanie who were concerned.

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I was surprised at the lack of police officers

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at that end of the ground.

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PC Ray Powell was on plain clothes duty in the crowd that day.

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There'd normally be more policemen forming queues,

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making sure there was order?

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Normally there would be a little more

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of a police presence there.

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Inside, the ground was full behind the goals.

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The BBC's John Motson was rehearsing for that night's Match Of The Day.

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It was 2:41.

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JOHN MOTSON: Liverpool's faithful followers,

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fed on success for 25 years, are at the Leppings Lane end.

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They have 24,000 tickets and haven't seen their team lose

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since New Year's Day.

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The match commander was based in the police control box.

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Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield

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had never before handled a big game.

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He had a good view of the Leppings Lane end,

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and so did John Motson.

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There's gaps, you know, in parts of the ground.

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Well, you look at the Liverpool end, to the right of the goal.

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There's hardly anybody on those steps.

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No, to the right of there.

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That's it, look down there.

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Back then, supporters stood behind the goals,

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the terrace divided into pens for crowd control.

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But the police didn't direct fans into separate pens

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to avoid overcrowding - they were left to find their own level.

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It must have taken me 20 minutes to escape the crush outside,

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but once through the turnstiles I was safe,

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with a seat alongside the pitch in the North stand.

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Jenny Hicks was in that stand, too.

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She'd driven up from London with her husband and two daughters.

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They'd gone to stand on the Leppings Lane terrace.

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You can just glimpse the girls, Sarah and Vicky,

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right behind the goal as the Liverpool team's announced.

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It was getting more and more crowded.

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And I started to become quite uncomfortable about it.

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Knowing that my family could be there,

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because I couldn't see them on the sides.

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Her husband, Trevor, was in fact standing in a side pen.

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He, too, began to worry as the crush behind the goal got worse.

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I was looking over and starting to get anxious

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about Sarah and Vicky.

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I have a very vivid picture of an old-ish guy,

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my sort of age now

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in a grey suit with grey hair,

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pinned up against the radial fence, looking very distressed.

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After being told that lives were at risk outside,

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Chief Superintendent Duckenfield gave the order to open Gate C,

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a large exit gate.

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Stephanie Jones, her brother, Richard,

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and his girlfriend, Tracey, headed for Gate C.

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We can just pick them out on police CCTV.

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We were getting crushed outside.

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So, when it was opened, we went through it into the clearing.

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And then just proceeded at a normal walk

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down in front of us, the only way we could see.

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Down the tunnel.

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In the past, when the central pens were full,

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police had closed off the tunnel

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and diverted supporters to the side pens.

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Not today.

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2,000 poured through the gate onto the already overcrowded terraces.

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The momentum took us forward, and in a very short space of time

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I found myself turned around and right at the very front.

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Tracey had lost her shoe, and I couldn't reach her.

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Somebody picked up her shoe and picked her up, as well,

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because she'd fallen, and that was the last time I saw either of them.

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Even before the game kicked off, people were dying on the terraces.

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The only way out for fans crushed against the wall

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and fencing at the front was through a small locked gate onto the pitch,

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one for each pen.

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I remember us shouting to the policeman by the gate.

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We were asking him to open the gate to take the pressure off.

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He was standing there looking and he's just basically ignoring us,

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and people are screaming at him to open the gate.

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People began climbing the fences in desperation.

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But the police, who could see it all from the control box,

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assumed it was crowd trouble.

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I saw people being pushed back over.

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-By the police?

-By the police, yeah.

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People were trying to get out and they were being pushed back in.

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Hillsborough was a disaster like no other.

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It was recorded by eight BBC cameras.

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The police had CCTV and a mobile camera unit.

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The BBC footage was later released to the police

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and the families' lawyers, and then locked away,

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considered too distressing for broadcast.

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24 years on, we've been able to analyse it.

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It shows how things went wrong from the start at Hillsborough,

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and continued going wrong for longer than has ever been admitted.

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JOHN MOTSON: So, on a clear, sunny day at Hillsborough,

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the stage is set for a rerun of last year's classic.

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Liverpool in red, Forest all in white,

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Stuart Pearce gives away the first free-kick.

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By now, police officers at the Leppings Lane end had opened

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the gates behind the goal and were escorting fans to the sides.

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But the gates were too small to get people out quickly.

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Dozens were trapped at the front, many of them youngsters.

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I was very distressed at this stage because I couldn't move,

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I was face to face with a man

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who was obviously in trouble as well.

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-COMMENTATOR:

-I think there may be a slight overflow in the crowd

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at the Liverpool end, at the Leppings Lane end of the ground.

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But there is room in the sections to either side

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if they can shift them over.

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But police control still feared a pitch invasion

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and ordered up reinforcements,

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even as the first injured fans spilled onto the pitch.

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And there are fans on the pitch here in the six-yard area.

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The referee is going to have to stop the game.

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Just before 3:06, the game is stopped.

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Fans ran onto the pitch, yelling for help.

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Some were in shock, like Stephanie Jones.

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Fortunately for me,

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I had found myself in front of the perimeter gate.

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Somebody said to me, "Through here."

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I have no idea how it happened, I don't know how they've hugged me up

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or pulled me up, but they pulled me through the perimeter gate and I was

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probably the first person they pulled out of the gate onto the pitch.

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-COMMENTATOR:

-Steve Nicol is trying to urge the fans to go back

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and they are saying there's no room.

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Back on Merseyside, those with family at the game soon heard

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news of a problem at Hillsborough, among them Stephanie's mother.

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I had a look at the television, which was on.

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The commentator's voice was very, very serious

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and he thought there was injuries and maybe a fatality in there

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and I just started screaming right away, "My three are in there!"

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Open the gate!

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SHOUTING

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Police commanders were slow to react.

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The FA's head of communications, Glen Kirton,

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went to the control box to find out what was going on.

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Mr Duckenfield said there had been a break-in at one of the gates,

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-caused by an inrush of Liverpool supporters.

-A break-in?

-Yes.

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Already, the blame for Hillsborough was being shifted onto the fans.

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Within minutes of the game being stopped,

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John Motson heard the story.

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-MOTSON:

-Yeah, I've got an explanation for what's happened here.

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I'm going to give you a line.

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And this story emerges that one of the outside gates

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leading into that terrace was broken.

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People without tickets got in, were therefore overcrowding

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the people with tickets and that's why the crush occurred.

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Supporters who had escaped the crush

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did what they could to help the others.

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I ended up getting pulled through the gate

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and I jumped up on the fence, trying to pull people up,

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but it was virtually impossible to pull them out

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because the fences were designed to keep you in, basically.

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Fans and police tore at the fence to get to the injured,

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trapped against the wall.

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In the seats above the Leppings Lane terrace,

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Dr John Ashton was with his two sons.

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I saw people being carried onto the pitch

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and I turned to one of my boys and I said,

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"I think that person is dead," and then there was another one

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and I said, "I think that one may be dead too, and that one."

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The police should have activated the major incident plan

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for all the emergency services to swing into action,

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but they didn't, so the first ambulance on the scene

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was from the St John's Ambulance volunteers.

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Its arrival time, 3:15, was significant.

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A coroner would later rule that all of those who died were by then

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either already dead or beyond saving.

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I went and made myself known to a policeman and said,

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"What should I do?" He had no idea

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and I realised that there was nobody actually taking charge.

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I did what I could,

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which was not really about applying first aid or anything, it was

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about trying to get the right people off to hospital in the right order.

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When a second ambulance arrived at the other end of the ground,

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Liverpool supporters carried victims across the pitch

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on advertising hoardings.

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Among them was an off-duty fireman.

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I just noticed people

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were putting people on the boards and trying to ferry them

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across the pitch as quick as they can

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and I think I done that two or three times.

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It was trying to look for people who needed help and basically

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going from one person to another, trying to do some basic first aid.

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Trevor Hicks was looking for his two daughters.

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I went onto the pitch.

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Very quickly and quite remarkably found Sarah and Vicky

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almost side by side, so suddenly I am with both daughters

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and we are fighting to save their lives.

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SIRENS WAIL

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Ambulances arrived outside the ground,

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but crews and emergency equipment weren't sent inside.

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Only one more ambulance drove onto the pitch.

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The ambulance man on board this third vehicle

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says the emergency response was chaotic.

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I always think in terms of a rail accident.

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Could you imagine the public outcry

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if all ambulance crews remained on an embankment simply because

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they couldn't get the ambulance down to the scene of the accident?

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That doesn't happen. They get out of their vehicles

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and if that's the length of a football pitch that they have to go,

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then they make their way there.

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Alongside the grief and the shock, there was already anger

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at what had been allowed to happen at Hillsborough.

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They opened the gates, never even took the stub,

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-just opened the gates.

-They said, "All pile in."

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It's disgusting and there is at least 50 people dead tonight.

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COMMENTATOR: The fans who were mercifully not injured

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have left the ground, most of them,

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and the feeling here now is one of complete numbness.

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We were sitting on the coach and nobody was speaking.

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I couldn't stop shaking and then the driver put the radio on

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and then it come out that there was like...16 dead

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and then... Obviously we were waiting for people to come back

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and the numbers just kept going up and up and up.

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Much worse was to come for the relatives of those unaccounted for.

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The football club gym was now a temporary mortuary.

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Trevor and Jenny Hicks arrived

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knowing their 15-year-old daughter Vicky had died in hospital.

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19-year-old Sarah was still missing.

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Inside, were dozens of bodies to be identified.

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The police had taken pictures of them all.

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Trevor and Jenny were asked if their daughter were among them.

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There must have been 80-odd photographs, little Polaroid ones.

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And I looked and I couldn't see Sarah.

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I recognised Vicky, so the policeman just said to me,

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"Look again, love."

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And when I looked again, I saw her.

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And that was the point I knew it was both of them.

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Many families were now arriving from Merseyside.

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Doreen and Leslie Jones knew their daughter Steph was safe,

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but their son Richard and his girlfriend Tracey were missing.

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They wheeled the trolley in and Richard

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was the first one whose body they brought in

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and I identified him and then Tracey was wheeled in

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and I identified her.

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I wanted to touch my son, I wanted to hold him and I wasn't allowed to.

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We were told he was the property of the coroner

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and that I couldn't touch him.

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Among the officers helping to identify the dead at the gym

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was PC Ray Powell.

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That night, I cried. I went home and I cried.

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And I wasn't crying for myself, I was crying for

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the relatives of the people.

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The only thing I remember about

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the gymnasium part that was sectioned off,

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was a fellow punching a brick wall and it was like,

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you know, new brick, which is sharp

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and he was punching it and nobody took any bloody notice.

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TEARFULLY: It was disgraceful.

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That night at South Yorkshire Police headquarters, the chief constable,

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Peter Wright, was in no mood to accept any blame for the disaster.

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But he corrected the false story that Liverpool fans

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had caused it by forcing open a gate.

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The gate... The gate was opened at police direction.

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I am not aware of any connection between the opening of the gate

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and the surge on the terrace.

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-JOURNALIST:

-Why was the gate opened, Chief Inspector?

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Because there was danger to life outside with crushing.

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-JOURNALIST:

-How did it get that bad?

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By late arrival of large numbers of people.

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NEWSREADER: 93 football fans,

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most, if not all, Liverpool supporters

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have been crushed to death at the FA Cup semi-final at...

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'By 10 o'clock, it was clear to thousands of us

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'who had been there what was to blame.

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'Overcrowding and poor policing had caused the disaster, which is

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'what I reported that night.'

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Those of us who were trying to get into the Leppings Lane

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end of the ground, the Liverpool end, were quite perturbed

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and angered at the lack of adequate policing,

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which led to dreadful crushes outside, which, in turn,

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led to the police opening of the double gate.

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'What we didn't know back in 1989

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'was that a cover-up had already begun.

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'It lasted almost a quarter of a century.

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'Until last September, when the Hillsborough Independent Panel

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'published the results of years of research.'

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What we have here, 23 years of contemporaneous documents, stage

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by stage, which has gone through a forensic analysis at all levels.

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'The secrets of Hillsborough are contained

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'here in the Sheffield Archive.

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'There are nearly half a million pages from confidential police,

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'legal and government documents -

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'the records of inquiries, inquests and hearings.

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'They show the disaster was never properly investigated.'

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It has meant that those at fault have been able to shift

0:22:020:22:05

the blame onto others.

0:22:050:22:07

These documents are now the starting point

0:22:070:22:10

for our investigation into how and why that was allowed to happen.

0:22:100:22:14

'Before the victims were identified,

0:22:190:22:21

'the coroner had ordered blood-alcohol tests on them all.

0:22:210:22:25

'Including children.

0:22:250:22:27

'False allegations of drunkenness would be used again and again.

0:22:270:22:31

'The morning after.

0:22:350:22:36

'The Prime Minister arrives to be briefed by officers, including

0:22:370:22:41

'Chief Superintendent Duckenfield, the man who lied about the gate.

0:22:410:22:45

'She was told a tanked-up mob had charged onto the terraces.

0:22:470:22:50

'Chief Constable Wright

0:22:520:22:53

'was privately calling the Liverpool fans animalistic.'

0:22:530:22:56

We shall find all the facts through an inquiry

0:22:580:23:01

and you mustn't make any judgement on partial facts.

0:23:010:23:05

'That weekend, South Yorkshire Police

0:23:080:23:10

'were developing plans to defend themselves.

0:23:100:23:13

'Senior officers were then called to a meeting.

0:23:130:23:17

'Among them was Inspector Clive Davis and his boss,

0:23:170:23:20

'a man whose role was to become increasingly controversial

0:23:200:23:24

'as the years went by.'

0:23:240:23:25

I was working with a senior officer at that time,

0:23:270:23:29

who was Chief Inspector Norman Bettison, I was working with.

0:23:290:23:34

He said he was keen for us to go to a briefing.

0:23:340:23:37

This was an opportunity for us to get ourselves recognised.

0:23:380:23:41

Those were his words to me.

0:23:410:23:44

'At the meeting, Clive Davis, Norman Bettison

0:23:440:23:47

'and other officers heard the South Yorkshire Police

0:23:470:23:50

'strategy spelt out.'

0:23:500:23:53

I think the exact words,

0:23:530:23:54

and they're almost indelibly stamped on my memory -

0:23:540:23:58

"We are going to put the blame for this where it deserves to be -

0:23:580:24:01

"or where it should be - on the drunken,

0:24:010:24:05

"ticketless Liverpool supporters and we have to go now

0:24:050:24:10

"and find the evidence to show that this is the case."

0:24:100:24:14

CROWD ROAR

0:24:140:24:16

'It was a message that could stick.

0:24:190:24:21

'In the 1980s, there was regular violence among football crowds.

0:24:210:24:25

CROWD CHANT

0:24:250:24:27

'Liverpool's reputation hadn't been particularly bad.

0:24:280:24:31

'But in 1985, 39 people were killed fleeing Liverpool fans

0:24:330:24:38

'during fighting at the Heysel Stadium in Brussels.

0:24:380:24:41

'Now Sheffield's Police Federation, backed by their chief constable,

0:24:440:24:48

'were blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough.'

0:24:480:24:51

When you have got great big police horses there,

0:24:510:24:54

and I don't know about you but they frighten me to death, and they're

0:24:540:24:57

diving under the belly and between its legs,

0:24:570:25:00

now, anybody who does that, I don't care what other people say,

0:25:000:25:04

they're either mental or they're drunk.

0:25:040:25:06

'The Police Federation

0:25:080:25:09

'and senior officers were feeding these lines to journalists.

0:25:090:25:14

'The lie became the truth,

0:25:140:25:16

'with parts of the press ready to swallow it whole.'

0:25:160:25:19

You have no idea how much that has followed me over the years

0:25:210:25:24

and how much that has deeply, deeply hurt me

0:25:240:25:28

over the years that people could think...

0:25:280:25:31

They are virtually blaming me for killing my own brother

0:25:310:25:33

and his girlfriend.

0:25:330:25:35

It was decided very early on, "This is the way it's going to go,

0:25:350:25:39

"we can't possibly be blamed, the police can't possibly be blamed."

0:25:390:25:43

'According to the Police Federation today,

0:25:440:25:46

'their role in spreading those stories was understandable.'

0:25:460:25:51

I think what the Federation rep did was report what had been told

0:25:510:25:53

to him in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy.

0:25:530:25:57

A lot of the people there will see and will have seen

0:25:570:26:00

and heard bad things and they report them, either exaggerated,

0:26:000:26:05

over exaggerated, whatever it may be, and it becomes their truth.

0:26:050:26:08

-Is that reasonable?

-It may have been reasonable at the time.

0:26:080:26:11

Whether it looks reasonable

0:26:110:26:13

looking back at it over a distance of time is a different story.

0:26:130:26:16

'The week after the disaster,

0:26:250:26:27

'Liverpool's Anfield Stadium had become a shrine.

0:26:270:26:30

'Among the thousands paying their respects was the man

0:26:320:26:35

'chosen to find out what had gone wrong at Hillsborough.'

0:26:350:26:38

This scene is a most poignant and moving one,

0:26:400:26:44

which makes one realise how deeply this community has been

0:26:440:26:48

afflicted and how deeply it feels its loss.

0:26:480:26:51

'Lord Justice Taylor was to lead an independent inquiry.

0:26:530:26:57

'The government had asked for an urgent report.

0:26:570:27:00

'Alongside him was the West Midlands Chief Constable Geoffrey Dear.

0:27:020:27:07

'His force was to investigate where the blame lay.

0:27:070:27:10

'But South Yorkshire Police, who were under investigation,

0:27:120:27:15

'were handed a trump card.

0:27:150:27:18

'Lord Justice Taylor allowed them

0:27:180:27:20

'to take their own officers' statements.'

0:27:200:27:23

He decided, and I fully supported him,

0:27:240:27:26

that one way to move through quickly was to ask the police witnesses,

0:27:260:27:30

not those who were likely to be in the frame for criminal

0:27:300:27:33

prosecution but the police witnesses, to write their own statements.

0:27:330:27:36

The ordinary officers on the ground, basically.

0:27:360:27:38

That's right, yeah. Yeah. And that's what they did.

0:27:380:27:41

He wanted it done that way. He saw that was the quick way through.

0:27:410:27:44

His decision. I'll take responsibility for it

0:27:440:27:47

because he is dead.

0:27:470:27:48

But that was his responsibility at the time.

0:27:480:27:51

And here is a man who's going to become the Lord Chief Justice.

0:27:510:27:54

I mean, it is not for you or I to query that, I would suggest.

0:27:540:27:58

'South Yorkshire Police officers on duty that day were

0:28:000:28:03

'instructed not to make witness statements in the usual way.

0:28:030:28:07

'Instead, they were told

0:28:070:28:09

'to write down their recollections on plain paper.'

0:28:090:28:13

There is absolutely no reason at all

0:28:130:28:16

why all those police officers shouldn't have been told,

0:28:160:28:19

"Write witness statements in the conventional way," about this.

0:28:190:28:22

In the same way that all the Liverpool supporters who were

0:28:220:28:25

interviewed by the West Midlands Police did.

0:28:250:28:28

'The police officers' first accounts were then vetted

0:28:300:28:34

'and many were altered and edited by senior officers before being signed.

0:28:340:28:39

'PC Brian Huckstepp had originally written...'

0:28:390:28:42

"It might possibly have been better to direct the fans

0:28:420:28:45

"into the flank areas, which I saw were by no means full."

0:28:450:28:50

'That was cut out.

0:28:500:28:52

'PC Andrew Brookes had a question.'

0:28:520:28:55

"Why were the sliding doors at the back of the tunnel not

0:28:550:28:58

"closed at 2:45 when those sections of the ground were full?"

0:28:580:29:03

'That went.

0:29:030:29:04

'Critical comments were deleted from no fewer than 116 police statements.

0:29:060:29:11

'The process was to contaminate all future legal proceedings.'

0:29:110:29:16

There was a clear pattern right from the outset that any

0:29:160:29:19

criticisms of senior officers,

0:29:190:29:20

any criticisms of the policing operation

0:29:200:29:22

were removed in their entirety.

0:29:220:29:24

Any criticisms of the fans were left in.

0:29:240:29:27

'PC Ray Powell had expressed concerns at how few police

0:29:290:29:33

'he had seen at the turnstiles outside Leppings Lane.'

0:29:330:29:36

"The first thing I said was,

0:29:380:29:39

"Where are all the bobbies? There's hardly anybody there.

0:29:390:29:42

"There was usually a large police presence on this part of the ground,

0:29:420:29:46

"usually forming some sort of cordon."

0:29:460:29:48

'That and more was erased.'

0:29:500:29:52

You didn't realise what they had done.

0:29:530:29:56

No, as such. I...

0:29:560:29:59

I wasn't aware of what they had taken out because you basically

0:29:590:30:02

trust your prosecution services or your legal advice or whatever.

0:30:020:30:09

You know, I browsed through my statement. The contents were there.

0:30:090:30:13

Nothing was added that I didn't disagree with.

0:30:130:30:16

And I therefore signed the statement.

0:30:170:30:19

What do you think now?

0:30:190:30:21

In hindsight,

0:30:210:30:24

the statements...

0:30:240:30:26

..should have been left intact.

0:30:280:30:30

'The amended statements were sent to the West Midlands force who

0:30:330:30:37

'were investigating the South Yorkshire Police.

0:30:370:30:40

'They knew they had been altered, but didn't know how much.

0:30:400:30:44

'And didn't ask.'

0:30:440:30:46

There was a degree of trust in this. Was that naive or not?

0:30:460:30:50

I think it was a perfectly natural reaction that you could trust

0:30:500:30:52

the force, even if it hurt them, to come forward with the truth

0:30:520:30:57

and not to expect what is now being suggested that there was a huge,

0:30:570:31:02

if not conspiracy, certainly attempt to move the whole evidence

0:31:020:31:06

away from South Yorkshire and load it on to the fans.

0:31:060:31:09

But the point is, shouldn't a police officer worth his salt

0:31:090:31:13

investigating another police force have found out what was going on?

0:31:130:31:16

I think you're looking at it

0:31:160:31:17

with the wisdom of 20/20 hindsight, aren't you?

0:31:170:31:20

'A month after the disaster,

0:31:230:31:24

'Lord Justice Taylor's inquiry began in Sheffield.

0:31:240:31:27

'Chief Inspector Norman Bettison ran a liaison team,

0:31:300:31:33

'briefing South Yorkshire Police witnesses.

0:31:330:31:36

'But the judge wasn't convinced by some police evidence.

0:31:370:31:41

'Particularly from the most senior officers.'

0:31:410:31:43

NEWSREADER: The official inquiry into the Hillsborough disaster says

0:31:460:31:49

that police and Sheffield Wednesday Football Club must shoulder

0:31:490:31:52

most of the blame for the tragedy.

0:31:520:31:55

'Lord Justice Taylor's report was damning.

0:31:550:31:58

'He found that the main cause of the disaster was overcrowding

0:31:580:32:02

'and the main reason for that was a failure of police control.

0:32:020:32:06

'Failing to block off the tunnel after opening gate C had been,

0:32:080:32:11

' "a blunder of the first magnitude." '

0:32:110:32:14

My reaction was that I cried.

0:32:160:32:19

I'd heard so much about

0:32:190:32:21

drunken hooligans and

0:32:210:32:25

I tried to defend my son.

0:32:250:32:27

He wasn't like that.

0:32:270:32:28

So I just thought, "Well, perhaps it'll all end now.

0:32:280:32:31

"Perhaps they'd stop."

0:32:310:32:33

But, of course, they didn't.

0:32:360:32:37

'Prosecutions of senior police officers were expected to follow.

0:32:420:32:46

'At this crucial point, South Yorkshire Police produced

0:32:470:32:51

'an allegation with the potential to destroy any case against them.

0:32:510:32:55

'It came from this first visit to the Hillsborough stadium,

0:32:570:33:01

'three days on from the disaster,

0:33:010:33:02

'by Lord Justice Taylor and Chief Constable Dear.

0:33:020:33:05

'Their driver was a PC from South Yorkshire.

0:33:070:33:10

'He told colleagues he had heard that the two in his car agreeing,

0:33:100:33:13

'right at the start, about blaming his force for what had happened.

0:33:130:33:17

'We have identified that driver.

0:33:200:33:22

'He is former constable Mark Lewis, seen here on traffic duty in 1990.

0:33:220:33:28

'About this time, senior officers began hearing

0:33:290:33:32

'rumours about a conversation he had overheard a year earlier.'

0:33:320:33:35

Mark Lewis has told Panorama that

0:33:380:33:40

while he felt at the time what he had heard was inappropriate,

0:33:400:33:44

he didn't think it was worth taking any further.

0:33:440:33:47

But then, a full year on, it was suggested he go

0:33:470:33:49

and talk to his boss, Norman Bettison.

0:33:490:33:52

'After speaking to the recently promoted Superintendent Bettison,

0:33:540:33:58

'Constable Lewis felt it, "Only right the record be put straight."

0:33:580:34:04

'He made an official report.

0:34:040:34:06

'Mark Lewis alleged Lord Justice Taylor had said...'

0:34:080:34:12

"I suppose you realise that to give this inquiry any credibility

0:34:120:34:16

"we have to apportion the majority of the blame on the police?"

0:34:160:34:20

'Chief Constable Dear allegedly replied...'

0:34:210:34:24

"I suppose we do."

0:34:240:34:26

'A year later, that overheard conversation had become

0:34:310:34:35

'a serious allegation.

0:34:350:34:36

'It landed on the desk of South Yorkshire's new chief constable,

0:34:380:34:41

'Richard Wells, who just replaced the recently retired Peter Wright.'

0:34:410:34:47

How many times in your career have you seen a Law Lord

0:34:470:34:50

and a chief constable accused of conspiring together?

0:34:500:34:53

One. This case. And that's why I reacted so seriously to it.

0:34:530:34:57

It didn't cross your mind that the police in South Yorkshire,

0:34:570:35:00

under pressure, may be up to something here?

0:35:000:35:02

No, it didn't. No, it really didn't. No.

0:35:020:35:05

The thought was, "This is a significant allegation, which

0:35:050:35:09

"needs looking into and I am not the person to look into this."

0:35:090:35:13

'Chief Constable Wells sent the allegation to

0:35:160:35:19

'the Director of Public Prosecutions just as he was deciding

0:35:190:35:23

'whether to prosecute, following the Taylor Report.

0:35:230:35:27

'Now the DPP had a serious allegation

0:35:270:35:30

'against the judge himself.

0:35:300:35:32

'Lord Justice Taylor and Geoffrey Dear were interviewed.'

0:35:320:35:36

What was Lord Taylor's response?

0:35:360:35:38

As he told me, his response was one word and pretty colourful.

0:35:400:35:43

As was mine.

0:35:440:35:46

The suggestion that two people,

0:35:460:35:48

one a chief constable of the biggest police force in the UK

0:35:480:35:51

outside London,

0:35:510:35:52

the other the man that's shortly to become Lord Chief Justice,

0:35:520:35:55

who had never met before, get into a car

0:35:550:35:57

and, in front of a witness, say they're going to cook the books

0:35:570:35:59

is utterly ridiculous and, actually, very annoying.

0:35:590:36:02

'Mark Lewis declined to take part in this programme.

0:36:050:36:08

'He told us he stands by his statement.

0:36:080:36:11

'But the DPP decided it wouldn't, in any event, have been

0:36:120:36:15

'grounds for action against Lord Justice Taylor

0:36:150:36:18

'and Geoffrey Dear.

0:36:180:36:19

'Six weeks later,

0:36:220:36:23

'the DPP made a much bigger decision on Hillsborough.'

0:36:230:36:27

NEWSREADER: The Director of Public Prosecutions

0:36:270:36:29

has decided not to bring any criminal charges against

0:36:290:36:31

the police or officials

0:36:310:36:33

in connection with the Hillsborough football stadium disaster.

0:36:330:36:37

'Chief Superintendent Duckenfield was allowed to retire

0:36:380:36:41

'on medical grounds.

0:36:410:36:43

'Neither he nor anyone else would be prosecuted for their part

0:36:430:36:47

'in causing the disaster at Hillsborough.'

0:36:470:36:49

Allowing those extra 2,000 people

0:36:520:36:55

into those already overcrowded pens, for me,

0:36:550:36:59

that is gross negligence.

0:36:590:37:02

So how on earth prosecutions didn't follow from that, I'll never know.

0:37:020:37:08

'The Hillsborough cover-up went wider than the police.

0:37:180:37:21

'If, like me, you had been there, you would have seen the chaos,

0:37:230:37:27

'the lack of a proper emergency response.

0:37:270:37:30

'But those who pointed it out would find themselves ignored or

0:37:340:37:37

'disbelieved or slapped down.

0:37:370:37:39

'Liverpool fan Dr John Ashton was one of them.

0:37:440:37:47

'The morning after the disaster, he went on television.'

0:37:480:37:51

The whole thing, from beginning to end, had incompetence

0:37:520:37:56

running right through it, the organisational arrangements.

0:37:560:37:59

And I think that it is time we started to ask

0:37:590:38:01

questions about accountability.

0:38:010:38:03

Thank you very much for joining us, Dr Ashton,

0:38:030:38:05

on a very distressing morning.

0:38:050:38:06

'Dr Ashton was an inconvenient witness -

0:38:060:38:09

'a qualified doctor who would be taken seriously.

0:38:090:38:13

'Behind the scenes, he says, attempts were made to shut him up.

0:38:130:38:17

'In public, at the Taylor Inquiry, his reputation was attacked.'

0:38:170:38:21

'Lord Justice Taylor asked me, when I went back to Liverpool,'

0:38:220:38:26

did the media contact me or did I contact the media?

0:38:260:38:29

The implication of that was that I was seeking publicity for myself.

0:38:290:38:34

'Lord Justice Taylor tried to imply that I wasn't a proper doctor,

0:38:340:38:37

'I was a public health doctor,'

0:38:370:38:39

I didn't see patients, didn't know what I was talking about.

0:38:390:38:42

'Lord Justice Taylor's report damned police failings

0:38:430:38:47

'but praised the other emergency services.

0:38:470:38:49

'Yet there were claims the ambulance service

0:38:510:38:53

'had almost completely failed to provide emergency treatment.

0:38:530:38:57

'An inquest should have been the best chance of finding the truth.

0:39:080:39:12

'But the coroner, Stefan Popper, made a decision which would leave

0:39:130:39:17

'the performance of the emergency services largely unquestioned.

0:39:170:39:21

'He accepted medical opinion that all who died that day

0:39:220:39:26

'were beyond help by 3:15.

0:39:260:39:29

'But could lives have been saved?'

0:39:290:39:31

They weren't all pulled out of the pens dead.

0:39:340:39:36

So what then happens is...

0:39:370:39:40

nobody kills them after that

0:39:400:39:42

but what can kill them

0:39:420:39:44

is the failure to actually

0:39:440:39:45

address their injuries quickly and appropriately.

0:39:450:39:49

'The mother of one young victim always maintained her son,

0:39:510:39:55

'15-year-old Kevin Williams,

0:39:550:39:57

'was alive well after the coroner's 3:15 cut-off.'

0:39:570:40:00

He imposed the 3:15 cut-off point

0:40:020:40:04

because when the surge came,

0:40:040:40:06

it was meant to have took them all.

0:40:060:40:08

You know, passed out within a minute,

0:40:080:40:10

dead and brain dead within so many minutes.

0:40:100:40:12

So he said, by 3:15, they would all be dead.

0:40:120:40:15

And it didn't matter what time any medical people arrived.

0:40:160:40:20

'West Midlands Police were assisting the coroner.

0:40:240:40:28

'They had all the pictures we are now looking at.

0:40:280:40:31

'And they showed Kevin Williams wasn't pulled out of gate three

0:40:320:40:36

'until long after 3:15, at 3:28.

0:40:360:40:40

'Kevin was laid on the pitch,

0:40:410:40:43

'police officers immediately trying to revive him.

0:40:430:40:46

'Soon after, Kevin was carried across the pitch.

0:40:500:40:53

'And there is a photograph, taken after 3:30.

0:40:540:40:59

'But was he alive?'

0:40:590:41:01

I remember shouting to everyone to pick him up

0:41:020:41:05

and get down there with him.

0:41:050:41:07

You know, you're looking at people everywhere and you're thinking,

0:41:070:41:10

obviously, my instinct was, "This lad needs help."

0:41:100:41:12

I have seen people dead before and I know that there would have

0:41:140:41:17

been a colour change.

0:41:170:41:19

His colour looked OK.

0:41:190:41:21

He was pale but, you know, I could see that he was alive.

0:41:210:41:25

'The West Midlands Police also had a photograph of an off-duty

0:41:270:41:31

'Merseyside policeman, Derek Bruder, trying to resuscitate Kevin.'

0:41:310:41:36

He told me what he had done for Kevin

0:41:360:41:39

and I said, "Was my son alive?"

0:41:390:41:42

He said, "Well, if you say finding

0:41:420:41:44

"a pulse with the first two fingers..."

0:41:440:41:46

And he lifted his hand up like that.

0:41:460:41:48

"..with your right hand, if that means he was alive

0:41:480:41:53

"then he was alive."

0:41:530:41:54

'But this photograph wasn't timed

0:41:570:41:59

'and PC Bruder couldn't be certain when it was taken.

0:41:590:42:03

'What he did remember was an ambulance

0:42:040:42:06

'arrived at the ground as he tried to save Kevin's life.

0:42:060:42:09

'Derek Bruder wasn't called to give evidence at the inquest.

0:42:150:42:18

'Instead, his evidence was outlined to the coroner

0:42:190:42:23

'by a West Midlands Police officer.

0:42:230:42:25

'He only mentioned two ambulances coming onto the pitch.

0:42:250:42:28

'And he said both of them

0:42:300:42:31

'had arrived before Kevin Williams was carried across the ground.

0:42:310:42:35

'This seemed to undermine PC Bruder's entire account.'

0:42:350:42:39

There were a number of anomalies in his evidence,

0:42:400:42:43

including a problem with the entry and exit of the ambulances.

0:42:430:42:47

It didn't quite tie in.

0:42:470:42:49

Nobody has actually picked that point up

0:42:490:42:51

but there is a difficulty

0:42:510:42:52

with his evidence, as far as I remember,

0:42:520:42:55

with regard to the timing.

0:42:550:42:57

'But there was no problem of timing.

0:42:580:43:01

'There weren't two ambulances at Hillsborough, there were three.

0:43:030:43:06

'And West Midlands Police knew that.

0:43:080:43:10

'They had the third ambulance on video

0:43:120:43:15

'and they had taken the pictures to the crew, to Tony Edwards.'

0:43:150:43:19

They had a video set up,

0:43:190:43:21

they had photographs and they had laid out photographs as well

0:43:210:43:26

and it was them who said to me, "I want to show you

0:43:260:43:29

"your vehicle coming on the pitch at 3:35."

0:43:290:43:32

-And they showed you it was 3:35? They told you?

-Oh, no, absolutely.

0:43:320:43:37

They had all the information.

0:43:370:43:39

'But that information wasn't given at Kevin Williams' inquest.

0:43:410:43:45

'The third ambulance wasn't mentioned at all.

0:43:450:43:49

'Now, we can confirm Derek Bruder was right all along.

0:43:520:43:57

'We have found footage shot moments after Kevin had been

0:43:570:44:00

'carried down the pitch.

0:44:000:44:02

'Those nearby see Kevin needs help.

0:44:020:44:05

'And then we just see PC Bruder rushing towards Kevin,

0:44:080:44:13

'exactly as he described.

0:44:130:44:15

'It is after 3:30.

0:44:150:44:17

'We can reveal Derek Bruder has now complained

0:44:220:44:25

'to the Independent Police Complaints Commission

0:44:250:44:27

'about the way his evidence was dealt with.'

0:44:270:44:30

NEWSREADER: Long before the families arrived for this,

0:44:370:44:40

the final day of Britain's longest inquest,

0:44:400:44:43

it was clear that there was going to be an emotional conclusion.

0:44:430:44:46

'The Hillsborough inquest came to an end in March 1991.

0:44:480:44:52

'The verdict on all of the victims was the same - accidental death.

0:44:520:44:56

'The Hillsborough families were shattered.'

0:44:590:45:01

We will continue.

0:45:030:45:05

We, fortunately, have had a lot of sympathy from the nation.

0:45:050:45:08

It is an uphill struggle, as you can appreciate.

0:45:080:45:10

We have had to take on every part of the establishment.

0:45:100:45:14

I was utterly devastated. I really thought we stood a chance.

0:45:140:45:20

I thought maybe we would get somewhere.

0:45:200:45:23

But... And I was absolutely... It was despair for me.

0:45:230:45:27

'Anne Williams never collected her son's death certificate.

0:45:290:45:34

'She always refused to accept the verdict of accidental death.'

0:45:340:45:37

They used to say, "You're right, Anne.

0:45:390:45:41

"But you'll not beat the system."

0:45:410:45:43

And I used to say, "Well..." And they'd say,

0:45:430:45:45

"They're wearing you down." And I can always remember saying,

0:45:450:45:49

"Well, I'll wear them down before they wear me down."

0:45:490:45:52

'Despite all the inquiries,

0:45:540:45:56

'the truth about Hillsborough remained buried.'

0:45:560:45:59

I think, at that point, there was a sort of consensus

0:46:010:46:05

in the English legal system that,

0:46:050:46:07

"That's your lot, Liverpool families.

0:46:070:46:11

"You have had three very powerful inquiries here,

0:46:110:46:13

"you've had the Taylor Inquiry,

0:46:130:46:15

"you've had a year's long investigation by the DPP,

0:46:150:46:18

"you've had the longest inquest in criminal history.

0:46:180:46:21

"That's your lot. Time to put those papers away and let's move on."

0:46:210:46:25

'The Liverpool families wouldn't move on.

0:46:320:46:34

'They had been let down by the law, now they turned to politicians.

0:46:370:46:41

'After the Labour election victory in 1997, over 40 of them

0:46:430:46:47

'travelled from Merseyside to meet the new Home Secretary.

0:46:470:46:51

'He made a promise.'

0:46:520:46:54

We owe it to everyone touched by this tragedy

0:46:540:46:56

and, above all, to the families of those who died

0:46:560:47:00

to get to the bottom of this matter once and for all.

0:47:000:47:04

Hear, hear.

0:47:040:47:06

'Jack Straw, the Home Secretary, saw no need for a new inquiry

0:47:060:47:10

'but he believed that wouldn't be publicly acceptable

0:47:100:47:13

'unless it came from an independent source.

0:47:130:47:17

'So Mr Straw proposed a limited review

0:47:170:47:20

'of any fresh evidence by a judge.

0:47:200:47:22

'In what he now says was a purely factual query,

0:47:240:47:27

'the Prime Minister, Tony Blair, asked,

0:47:270:47:30

' "Why? What's the point?" '

0:47:300:47:32

The documents reveal that neither the Home Secretary, Jack Straw,

0:47:340:47:38

nor the Prime Minister thought anything would come out of it

0:47:380:47:42

and that they didn't really expect the inquiry to produce

0:47:420:47:46

anything other than that which had already been

0:47:460:47:49

produced by inquiries which had produced nothing.

0:47:490:47:51

-There's a bit of hypocrisy there, isn't there?

-Yes, I think there was.

0:47:510:47:54

-How does that make you feel?

-Bad.

0:47:540:47:56

'Jack Straw appointed Lord Justice Stuart-Smith

0:48:000:48:03

'to carry out a scrutiny of the evidence.

0:48:030:48:06

'He also told the judge the Home Office had seen nothing

0:48:060:48:09

'to justify a full-scale inquiry.'

0:48:090:48:12

The families feel

0:48:120:48:14

you marked Stuart-Smith's card from the beginning.

0:48:140:48:16

Well, that's not the marking his card,

0:48:160:48:18

that's just telling the chap the truth and explaining to him

0:48:180:48:21

why I wasn't establishing a full-blown inquiry.

0:48:210:48:24

There was no secret about this.

0:48:240:48:27

You tell him your view in advance. You tell him, "Well, look..."

0:48:270:48:29

I wasn't telling him my view in advance,

0:48:290:48:31

I was asking him to conduct an inquiry.

0:48:310:48:34

But I was telling him of the scepticism of officials.

0:48:340:48:37

'So, eight years after Hillsborough,

0:48:410:48:43

'South Yorkshire Police were again in the spotlight.

0:48:430:48:46

'Many of their officers who had been there had been badly affected.

0:48:480:48:52

'Inspector Clive Calvert was one of them.'

0:48:530:48:55

I picked him up and, as far as I remember,

0:48:570:49:00

he cried on the way back.

0:49:000:49:02

I do remember him coming in, sitting in the chair, he had a drink

0:49:020:49:08

but he went to bed very early and he didn't talk about it.

0:49:080:49:11

He looked absolutely devastated.

0:49:110:49:13

'In preparation for the Stuart-Smith scrutiny, Inspector Calvert

0:49:160:49:20

'was asked to brief his chief constable at the ground.

0:49:200:49:23

'The inspector took the chance to speak out.

0:49:240:49:27

'He said he had worried for years that police witnesses to

0:49:270:49:30

'the Taylor Inquiry had been coached and officers' statements altered.'

0:49:300:49:34

Inspector Clive Calvert said very clearly that he

0:49:340:49:38

felt that there has been an element about the changing of statements

0:49:380:49:41

which had not been as innocent

0:49:410:49:43

as I had believed to have been.

0:49:430:49:45

'Inspector Calvert retired after 38 years' service

0:49:480:49:51

'and has since died.

0:49:510:49:53

'Breaking ranks on Hillsborough had been difficult.'

0:49:530:49:56

He did say to me, "I've had a word with the chief constable."

0:49:570:50:02

And he also said, "I think that'll be the end of my career.

0:50:020:50:06

"I don't think I'll go any further with the police."

0:50:060:50:10

Something to that effect.

0:50:100:50:11

After investigating Inspector Calvert's concerns, an assistant

0:50:150:50:19

chief constable from South Yorkshire reported to Judge Stuart-Smith.

0:50:190:50:23

He said Clive Calvert had been wrong about police witnesses being

0:50:230:50:27

coached and he had misunderstood the process around which

0:50:270:50:31

statements had been taken.

0:50:310:50:33

Inspector Calvert, he said, had been naive.

0:50:330:50:36

I can't explain that.

0:50:390:50:42

It's not something that I would immediately agree

0:50:420:50:45

with either saying or doing.

0:50:450:50:47

He was an experienced inspector, both operationally and in football.

0:50:470:50:52

-Mr Calvert?

-Yes. Absolutely.

-He wasn't naive?

0:50:520:50:55

As you put that to me, I can't understand why it was said.

0:50:550:51:00

He had never been described as naive before.

0:51:020:51:06

In fact, he had always been described as a very astute man

0:51:060:51:11

with a great deal of integrity.

0:51:110:51:13

So for that letter to say that is quite upsetting for the family

0:51:130:51:19

and, to be honest, ridiculous.

0:51:190:51:21

'When he published his report in February 1998,

0:51:260:51:29

'Lord Justice Stuart-Smith ruled that altering police

0:51:290:51:33

'statements did not amount to irregularity and malpractice.

0:51:330:51:37

'The Home Secretary agreed.'

0:51:390:51:40

The overall conclusion which Lord Justice Stuart-Smith reaches is

0:51:420:51:46

that there is no basis on which there should be a further public inquiry.

0:51:460:51:50

Les and I did everything that was expected of us.

0:51:520:51:56

We played their game.

0:51:560:51:58

We put in police complaints,

0:51:580:52:00

we wrote to the coroner,

0:52:000:52:02

we asked him questions,

0:52:020:52:04

we did a judicial review, it was all nice,

0:52:040:52:08

we wrote to all the prime ministers and, at the end of the day,

0:52:080:52:12

it got us nowhere.

0:52:120:52:14

'Yet again, the truth about Hillsborough was buried.'

0:52:160:52:19

You describe it as a thorough inquiry.

0:52:210:52:22

You were entirely satisfied with his conclusions.

0:52:220:52:25

Yes, and I thought it was a thorough inquiry

0:52:250:52:27

and that I was satisfied with his conclusions. You learn.

0:52:270:52:30

If I had known then what I know now,

0:52:300:52:32

I would have come to different conclusions but I didn't.

0:52:320:52:35

You could have known then, couldn't you? If you had looked harder.

0:52:350:52:38

I might have been able to.

0:52:380:52:39

It is a matter of great regret that I didn't look harder

0:52:390:52:42

and I'm sorry that I got it wrong.

0:52:420:52:44

And I can't turn the clock back.

0:52:440:52:45

'That makes me so sad because that's another 14 years'

0:52:470:52:53

of my life

0:52:530:52:55

that I have been made to look for the truth

0:52:550:52:58

when it was already there.

0:52:580:53:00

I mean, that is a national disgrace.

0:53:030:53:05

'The 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster was

0:53:120:53:15

'marked by a memorial service at Anfield. It was a turning point.

0:53:150:53:19

'The culture secretary Andy Burnham came to express

0:53:210:53:23

'the Government's sympathy.'

0:53:230:53:25

We can at least pledge that 96 fellow football supporters who died

0:53:250:53:30

will never be forgotten.

0:53:300:53:31

'The crowd of 30,000 made it clear that was no longer enough.'

0:53:330:53:37

CHANTING: Justice for the 96.

0:53:370:53:42

'Under pressure, the minister made a big commitment -

0:53:420:53:45

'the Government would break the rule that official documents

0:53:450:53:49

'have to remain secret for 30 years.'

0:53:490:53:51

People kind of thought, "Is this possible?"

0:53:530:53:55

I didn't think it was possible but I think that he knew that

0:53:550:53:58

whether he was bouncing his Government into it or it was

0:53:580:54:01

done with agreement, his Government was going to have to respond to this.

0:54:010:54:05

'The Hillsborough families had lost confidence

0:54:070:54:10

'in government and the law.

0:54:100:54:11

'They insisted on choosing people they could trust to

0:54:110:54:14

'look at the official records.

0:54:140:54:16

'By the time the independent panel published their report last

0:54:170:54:21

'September, it was a new government that finally said sorry.'

0:54:210:54:24

# You'll never walk alone. #

0:54:240:54:32

-DAVID CAMERON:

-These families have suffered a double injustice.

0:54:320:54:35

The injustice of the appalling events,

0:54:350:54:37

the failure of the state to protect their loved ones

0:54:370:54:40

and their indefensible wait to get to the truth

0:54:400:54:43

and then the injustice of the denigration of the deceased,

0:54:430:54:46

that they were somehow at fault for their own deaths.

0:54:460:54:49

'The Hillsborough report showed the 3:15 cut-off

0:54:560:54:59

'imposed by the coroner was wrong.

0:54:590:55:02

'An analysis of medical evidence revealed that,

0:55:020:55:05

'given proper treatment,

0:55:050:55:06

'more than half the 96 who died

0:55:060:55:08

'might have had a chance of survival.'

0:55:080:55:11

My son and 95 innocent Liverpool fans did not die in an accident,

0:55:110:55:17

they were unlawfully killed at the least.

0:55:170:55:20

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:55:200:55:22

'In December, the accidental death verdicts were overturned

0:55:250:55:29

'and the High Court ordered a new inquest.

0:55:290:55:31

'The original coroner Stefan Popper told Panorama it was not

0:55:330:55:38

'appropriate for him to comment.

0:55:380:55:39

'Anne Williams was now gravely ill.'

0:55:420:55:45

-You might not see the end of this now.

-No.

0:55:450:55:47

-But you have won your victory.

-That's what I thought.

0:55:490:55:52

My son did not die in an accident

0:55:540:55:56

and neither did 95 with him.

0:55:560:55:58

So at least we have got rid of that.

0:55:590:56:02

Cos the accidental death verdicts used to really, really upset me

0:56:020:56:06

cos it let them off the hook, didn't it?

0:56:060:56:08

'Anne Williams died last month.'

0:56:100:56:12

'Yorkshire Ambulance Service NHS Trust

0:56:230:56:26

'wouldn't be interviewed by Panorama.

0:56:260:56:28

'They say they will cooperate with any new legal inquiries.'

0:56:280:56:32

My involvement in Hillsborough has always been a torture.

0:56:340:56:37

It has been life changing and

0:56:370:56:39

'I always find these interviews difficult.

0:56:390:56:42

'I feel they are necessary so we get the true story out.'

0:56:420:56:46

And I'm unshakeable on that.

0:56:460:56:47

I know what the situation was,

0:56:470:56:49

how we dealt with this badly.

0:56:490:56:51

'There are two new investigations into Hillsborough.

0:56:560:56:59

'One into who might have caused the disaster,

0:56:590:57:02

'the other into allegations of a police cover-up.

0:57:020:57:05

'Both South Yorkshire and West Midlands Police say

0:57:050:57:08

'they will cooperate with these inquiries.'

0:57:080:57:10

'The match commander David Duckenfield declined to be

0:57:150:57:18

'interviewed by Panorama while the new investigations were going on.

0:57:180:57:24

'Sir Norman Bettison became chief constable of Merseyside

0:57:240:57:27

'and then of West Yorkshire.

0:57:270:57:29

'He resigned last year, saying the Hillsborough investigation

0:57:290:57:33

'had become a distraction.

0:57:330:57:35

'He declined to be interviewed.

0:57:350:57:37

'For the Hillsborough families, it is not over yet.'

0:57:400:57:44

People don't want to be fighting this cause any more,

0:57:440:57:46

nearly 24 years later. It's taken its toll on a lot of families.

0:57:460:57:51

A lot of people aren't here any more to see it through to the end.

0:57:510:57:55

If people are proved ultimately responsible,

0:57:570:58:00

I'd like to see them charged with it.

0:58:000:58:03

Cos everyone else in the country is subject to the law

0:58:030:58:06

and they should be as well.

0:58:060:58:08

-Do you think that's going to happen?

-No.

0:58:080:58:11

'Hillsborough was an avoidable disaster.

0:58:130:58:16

'What happened here was obvious.

0:58:170:58:19

'But some of our most important institutions - the police,

0:58:210:58:24

'the judiciary and government - allowed it to be covered up.

0:58:240:58:28

'That's the truth about Hillsborough -

0:58:300:58:32

'a dark truth buried for a generation.'

0:58:320:58:35

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