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second blow to the same area for days later. Time now for Panorama. | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
atrocities since September 11. They atrocities since September 11. They | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
were spraying bullets everywhere. Grenades were being thrown. 67 | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
people are known to have died, carried out by al—Shabab. They were | :00:20. | :00:28. | |
coming towards us. I was trained to get everyone out of the way. The | :00:28. | :00:38. | |
terrors made it in under the radar to massacre people. They asked if I | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
was Muslim. And I was Muslim. . to massacre people. They asked if I | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
pointed the gun at my wife and baby. A week before the horror, I was | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
pointed the gun at my wife and baby. can you tracing the pipeline that | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
smuggles recruits to al—Shabab in We almost approaching the final | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
smuggles recruits to al—Shabab in of the journey to a small island off | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
The recruits come from all over of the journey to a small island off | :01:02. | :01:12. | |
world. I would like to take the Muslims living in the lands of | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
disbelief to the lands of the hat. We talk to a radical mosques and | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
Perry can can you who says that We talk to a radical mosques and | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
attack was justified. For the attack as it is allowed in Islam. We cannot | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
be slaughtered everywhere in the world and to sit and cry. We have to | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
The Westgate shopping centre opened its doors that Saturday morning | :01:30. | :01:53. | |
The Westgate shopping centre opened bright Nairobi day. The storm clouds | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
of the previous night had gone. bright Nairobi day. The storm clouds | :01:54. | :02:04. | |
facing bleak futures. Radical Islam had been in Kenya for two weeks | :02:05. | :02:23. | |
facing bleak futures. Radical Islam feeds upon such discontent. The | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
the conditions in which most Kenyans feeds upon such discontent. The | :02:25. | :02:33. | |
the conditions in which most Kenyans live. On Saturdays the centre would | :02:33. | :02:41. | |
shoppers. We have been to Westgate centre need times, my mum and I | :02:41. | :02:49. | |
shoppers. We have been to Westgate we go there every other day. This is | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
a British woman living in Nairobi. She was having an everyday family | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
dispute. I was watching some TV She was having an everyday family | :02:53. | :03:02. | |
my brother and my mum said she was going to Westgate. I said I did | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
my brother and my mum said she was want to go because I wanted to watch | :03:05. | :03:05. | |
TV. Ben was heading to Westgate want to go because I wanted to watch | :03:05. | :03:19. | |
meeting in town. Last Saturday was like any other Saturday. I did not | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
have a busy day. After the meeting we decided to have lunch. With | :03:25. | :03:34. | |
regular events and parties aimed at children, Westgate was renowned | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
regular events and parties aimed at being family friendly. On the second | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
floor terrace, a radio station's cookery competition was well under | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
wanted to do. But the piece of an cookery competition was well under | :03:45. | :04:01. | |
wanted to do. But the piece of an ordinary Saturday was about to be | :04:01. | :04:01. | |
shattered. Ben was waiting to go ordinary Saturday was about to be | :04:01. | :04:11. | |
shattered. Ben was waiting to go through security. They were checking | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
the boots of our car. I saw two gunmen go away. I had —— I heard a | :04:17. | :04:25. | |
Eyewitnesses describe seeing a gunmen go away. I had —— I heard a | :04:25. | :04:36. | |
Eyewitnesses describe seeing a gunmen into vehicles. A Kenyan | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
search them. They were adamant they that we predicted his identity. | :04:38. | :04:51. | |
search them. They were adamant they did not want to be searched. When he | :04:51. | :05:05. | |
came he was shot. It's now believed there were up to 15 terrorists and | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
that shop workers had seen some there were up to 15 terrorists and | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
them making trips to a rented unit something that was planned in a | :05:10. | :05:17. | |
them making trips to a rented unit It must have taken them sometime and | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
the sophistication also indicates surveillance of the building and | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
knew exactly what they wanted and where to go. As the shooting started | :05:22. | :05:31. | |
in the superstore on the ground competition was still going on. | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
in the superstore on the ground now a second attack on Westgate | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
in the superstore on the ground beginning. A separate group of | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
gunmen reached the second floor terrace where more than 100 children | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
and parents were gathered for the cookery contest. A grenade went | :05:44. | :05:54. | |
and parents were gathered for the I think he shot at us as well, this | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
guy. I watched this bullet hit the wall. It missed my son's head just | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
like that. And it hit the little boy next to him. They came fast. They | :06:00. | :06:08. | |
us. Anything that was moving they were just shooting. There were two | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
wearing black. They said, you know, were just shooting. There were two | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
wearing black. They said, you know, we don't normally harm women and | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
children but you didn't spare our women and children and his colleague | :06:21. | :06:28. | |
just opened fire. Chillingly, the attackers began to separate Muslims | :06:28. | :06:35. | |
up and went up to one of the gunmen. from non—Muslims. Aleem started | :06:35. | :06:52. | |
yes, I am. And then he pointed the He asked me are you Muslim? I said, | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
yes, I am. And then he pointed the gun at my wife and baby and said, is | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
this your woman? I said yes, she is. He said, ask her to cover up and go. | :06:59. | :07:10. | |
Aleem and his family escaped. Others questions. It was a matter of life | :07:10. | :07:17. | |
or death. These guys were asking is there any other Muslim family or | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
Muslim person? I think one gentleman said that I am a Muslim, I think he | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
panicking shoppers pressing around them, Tanisha and her mother fled to | :07:29. | :07:38. | |
the floor above and they hid with storeroom. I was really scared | :07:38. | :07:51. | |
because there was a lot of bangs and gunfire. I thought the police had | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
come like, right after we hit, but didn't. We jammed the door with | :07:57. | :08:07. | |
come like, right after we hit, but of the big tables and we took cover | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
finally stopped shooting and moved and just stayed there. We couldn't | :08:11. | :08:22. | |
me to keep everybody calm. I am into the building. It just fell | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
play dead. They won't look at us, telling the kids, please be quiet. | :08:25. | :08:52. | |
play dead. They won't look at us, play dead. By the time they reached | :08:52. | :13:34. | |
happen to us. The fact that we may be killed is nothing but a glad | :13:34. | :13:43. | |
tidings. I would like to take this opportunity to call those who are | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
living in the lands of disbelief to the lands of jihad. There has been | :13:46. | :13:58. | |
speculation that the White Widow was al—Shabab's propaganda offensive. If | :13:58. | :14:12. | |
example of how a Brit has been Al—Shabab sees Kenya as a gateway to | :14:12. | :14:23. | |
jihad for young Muslims from all over the world. This is where it all | :14:23. | :14:30. | |
historic port on can you's eastern seaboard. —— Kenya. Almost 40% of | :14:30. | :14:38. | |
the population is Muslim. It is seaboard. —— Kenya. Almost 40% of | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
epicentre of militant Islamic will is to it is where radicalise is | :14:41. | :14:50. | |
epicentre of militant Islamic will radicalised join forces. We should | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
not be surprised that there is evidence that Samantha Lewthwaite | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
was in Lomb —— Mombasa just laugh —— evidence that Samantha Lewthwaite | :14:53. | :15:01. | |
was in Lomb —— Mombasa just laugh —— last year. Her best ever did was | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
found in the lining of this suitcase in an apartment in the city. The | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
apartment has been known to be visited by Jermaine Grant. He is | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
Lewthwaite is suspected of being an currently on trial in Mombasa for | :15:14. | :15:30. | |
Lewthwaite is suspected of being an community in East Africa? From | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
inspire, it is not just a movement al—Shabab's point of view it is | :15:31. | :15:42. | |
inspire, it is not just a movement which is absurdist with local Somali | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
issues. It isn't issue with an ideology which reaches out to people | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
as far as London. One of Mombasa's high—profile clerics is this man. | :15:53. | :16:00. | |
The UN describes him as a leading facilitator and recruiter of young | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
Kenya Muslims for violent militant activity in Somalia. He denies | :16:04. | :16:14. | |
recruiting for an funding al—Shabab. Being a moderate Muslim is accepting | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
what your enemies wanted to be. You are not a moderate Muslim. I am | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
what your enemies wanted to be. You and I never will be. I will follow | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
Islam by the teachings. I look for Islam as part of the teachings of | :16:30. | :16:41. | |
Obama and Tony Blair. He took me to this school outside of Mombasa. | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
Obama and Tony Blair. He took me to son is a pupil here. He says many of | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
the children are orphans. They appeared happy and looked well. | :16:50. | :16:58. | |
the children are orphans. They memorise the Koran almost from the | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
moment they can read. In Mombasa, outside the school, his ideology has | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
a following among some discontented young Muslims. We know that he is | :17:07. | :17:17. | |
brainwashed into joining Al—Shabaab. the main link through which young | :17:17. | :17:25. | |
brainwashed into joining Al—Shabaab. However you cannot that into a way | :17:25. | :17:25. | |
law. He also told me, a week before However you cannot that into a way | :17:25. | :17:35. | |
law. He also told me, a week before the Westgate attack, that Western | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
law. He also told me, a week before claims it is retaliation for the | :17:41. | :17:41. | |
it to ATPU. ATPU then tortures me claims it is retaliation for the | :17:41. | :17:58. | |
it to ATPU. ATPU then tortures me here, using British money. Once | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
dangerous to leave. I spoke to two young Kenyans among the few who | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
managed to escape. They still fear for their lives, which is why we | :18:07. | :18:15. | |
have called one of them Ali. The reason I decided to go to Somalia | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
was because of poverty and the offer they made me. It was very convincing | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
to accept such an offer because they made me. It was very convincing | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
that time I could not afford to they made me. It was very convincing | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
for school fees to continue with my studies. I was around 13 or 14 years | :18:26. | :18:37. | |
Khaled. The reason I went to Somalia is because of my religion. In Islam, | :18:37. | :18:50. | |
the Prophet Mohammed used to perform jihad. I wanted to fight for my | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
religion. The person who encouraged me was Sheikh Rogo. Sheikh Rogo | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
religion. The person who encouraged close associate of Makaburi. He | :18:58. | :18:59. | |
religion. The person who encouraged Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza rolled | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
religion. The person who encouraged providing financial material and | :19:03. | :19:03. | |
last year when he was riddled with 17 bullets. He was taking his wife | :19:03. | :19:53. | |
state—sponsored Kenyan hit squad, 17 bullets. He was taking his wife | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
state—sponsored Kenyan hit squad, but nothing was ever proved. After | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
his death, Makaburi became one of Kenya's most prominent radical | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
clerics. Do you support Al—Shabab and what they are trying to achieve | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
in Somalia? Supporting Al—Shabab as ideology of Sharia law, yes. But do | :20:12. | :20:21. | |
you support out about using violence to achieve the Sharia law Government | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
state that he would support? I would not say that they are using violence | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
to support Sharia law. Al—Shabab have every right to stop an invasion | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
into their own country. They have every right to govern a country | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
into their own country. They have way they see fit. The wilds of | :20:43. | :20:44. | |
Somalia is where Al—Shabab has its base. It is an anarchic failed state | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
on the Horn of Africa, ridden with two decades of civil war between | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
competing ideological factions and warlords. Al—Shabab, meaning the | :20:54. | :21:05. | |
youth, was born out of the radical Islamist group known as the Islamic | :21:05. | :21:06. | |
Courts Union, that seized power Islamist group known as the Islamic | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
muggy at issue in 2006 then imposed Sharia law. —— in Mogadishu. They | :21:10. | :21:21. | |
African Union forces five years America. Callous brutality became | :21:21. | :21:37. | |
were tired and then they made him Al—Shabab's bloody signature. It was | :21:37. | :21:57. | |
were tired and then they made him kneel down. —— were tied up. They | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
took a sharp knife and right in front of me they slaughtered him, | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
cutting his throat. Khaled was also front of me they slaughtered him, | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
did not come back again. One was shocked. The last thing I saw were | :22:05. | :22:15. | |
did not come back again. One was seven years old and the other was | :22:15. | :22:25. | |
six or five. They were young. So how do recruits to Al—Shabab get into | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
Somalia? We have been investigating the secret pipeline that takes them | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
there. The first Kenyan leg of the jihadist journey begins in Mombasa. | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
It is a stifling seven—hour trip by bus. We were warned about the last | :22:39. | :22:47. | |
150 miles North of Malindi, where an attack by bandits, not terrorists, | :22:47. | :23:00. | |
was likely. Then it is onto a boat which is predominantly Muslim, the | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
oldest Swahili settlement in Kenya. —— Lamu Island. Jihadist recruits | :23:05. | :23:16. | |
would not seem out of place here. It is a town where Sheikh Rogo remains | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
a well—known figure. You can readily buy a DVD about his assassination. | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
The waters around the island are patrolled by the Kenyan Navy, on the | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
many recruits to Al—Shabab pass commander of the Kenyan fleet. Do | :23:32. | :23:54. | |
many recruits to Al—Shabab pass through this area? Yes, this is | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
many recruits to Al—Shabab pass area with waterways that causes | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
many recruits to Al—Shabab pass movement in the backwaters. If | :24:02. | :24:09. | |
somebody is doing something illegal, they keep out of the open sea. The | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
final leg of the journey is from remote Pate Island. From here, would | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
But Kenyan forces have had some success in cutting this pipeline. | :24:17. | :24:40. | |
Operation Sledgehammer cleared out Al—Shabab from its main base here. | :24:40. | :24:49. | |
What difference has that made? A Al—Shabab was in control of Kismayo, | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
it was the only way they could move fighters from southern Somalia, | :24:53. | :25:12. | |
it was the only way they could move significant. But did success in | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
Kismayo lead the Kenyan authorities to underestimate the shifting threat | :25:14. | :25:22. | |
from Al—Shabab? A week before the Westgate attack at a media event in | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
Mombasa, with new squad cars being handed over to the police, I managed | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
to put the question to the Interior Minister. Young Kenyans and people | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
from elsewhere are going to Somalia to join Al—Shabab and fight jihad. | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
That used to be the case. We don't think it is the case now. We are | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
Force went to Somalia because we do fighting. That is why the Defence | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
Force went to Somalia because we do terrorism. We fight Al—Shabab. We | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
questions. But now after Westgate, took it to Somalia. Minister Lenku | :25:57. | :26:05. | |
questions. But now after Westgate, questions are being asked at home | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
there were warnings. They should intelligence failings. It is alleged | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
a shopping mall in Nairobi. Shopping have been prepared for an attack on | :26:15. | :26:23. | |
a shopping mall in Nairobi. Shopping terrorist group. You have got a | :26:23. | :26:25. | |
crowded place full of people. You are going to be targeting a diverse | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
population. You know you are going are going to be targeting a diverse | :26:27. | :26:39. | |
population. You know you are going Al—Shabab has declared that the | :26:39. | :26:40. | |
attack was Ravel or Kenya's assault on their base at Kismayo, but they | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
have a much wider agenda. —— the attack was revenge for the assault. | :26:44. | :27:03. | |
slaughtered everywhere in the world and just sit and cry. We have to | :27:03. | :27:12. | |
react. You come into an Islamic country, you are on governments | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
react. You come into an Islamic attack Islamic countries, you give | :27:14. | :27:16. | |
them money to kill innocent Muslims, it is the right thing to do. The | :27:16. | :27:23. | |
final death toll at Westgate has yet to be established. Al—Shabab claims | :27:23. | :27:36. | |
there are still many more bodies to religious because my colleague who | :27:36. | :27:48. | |
died, Rahila, was Muslim. She was six months pregnant and Muslim. | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
died, Rahila, was Muslim. She was cannot be about religion. This is | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
not about Islam and it never will forgiveness, caring. This is not | :27:57. | :28:05. | |
Islam. Last night in Nairobi there were vigils in remembrance of the | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
successfully challenged, there will were vigils in remembrance of the | :28:07. | :28:14. | |
successfully challenged, there will probably be more recruits ready | :28:14. | :28:23. |