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A family from Britain on holiday in the French Alps, brutally murdered.

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A father, mother and grandmother, shot at point-blank range in their

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car. They were killed in that way with their kids around and the

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mother in the car. They think it is disastrous, unimaginable. A

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seven-year-old girl is shot and left for dead. The cyclist is killed.

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Another has a narrow escape. I was thinking to myself, I wonder if this

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will be painful when I get shot. The British former RAF pilot who

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discovered the crime takes us back to the scene. It is a mystery.

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Complex, unsolved, and Agatha Christie whodunnit type of scenario.

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The murder mystery sparked a huge police investigation in 15

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countries. Now a witness speaks for the first time about the British car

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that he saw just before the murders. The car was a BMW 4x4, X5, metallic

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grey. It was right-hand drive, English. We investigate the murder

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weapon and ask if the killer was a professional. Whilst the family the

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target of an intelligence agency because the father worked for a

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high-tech company in Britain? -- was the family? Or was the target the

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cyclist? Is the Anza to the murder mystery closer to home? We seek

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extraordinary online conversations with the dead man. I am shocked by

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the information I have gathered. Can you really be my brother? The

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brother suspected by the police were being behind the murders defends

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himself on Panorama, his first television interview. Did you kill

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your brother? Of course not. It is ridiculous, the whole thing.

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A late summer afternoon in the Alps a year ago. The al-Hilli family from

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England are on holiday by Lake Annecy in France. They set out for a

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local beauty spot. In the car, a father, mother, grandmother and two

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little girls. They drive through a village and up a narrow road that

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leads high into the mountains. That day, an Englishman sets off for a

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bike ride up the same road. Brett Martin, a former RAF pilot, has a

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holiday home in the area. I had no fixed route in my mind where I was

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going to go. Either the house at 2:30pm. It was sunny, fine, no wind,

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a peaceful and pleasant afternoon. In the village of Chevaline, Brett

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first notices another cyclist ahead of him, a Frenchman. It was a bit

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surprising to see someone on a racing bike because racing cyclists

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tend to look after their bikes. Wheels are easily damaged on

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potholes and links. Brett starts with three mile climb up the road

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from the village. Aslan climbing up the hill at a relatively slow pace,

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a relatively slow pace, vehicle passes me. -- as I am climbing. I am

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pretty sure the car contained the al-Hilli family. Nestling in the

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French Alps, the village of Chevaline, which Brett Martin has

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just driven through. Sylvain Mollier, the French cyclist, is

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ahead of him. Around 3:30pm, Brett is overtaken by the al-Hillis's car.

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They continue up the steep road to Le Martinet. It is only a few

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minutes drive to this parking spot, but it will take Brett another ten

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minutes to cycle there. At about 3:40pm, the al-Hillis reach Le

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Martinet. According to the French police, this is what then happens.

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Saad al-Hilli gets out of the car with his seven-year-old daughter,

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Zainab. In less than a minute, four people will be dead. As soon as Saad

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and Zainab get out of the car, the gunman fires on them. Sylvain

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Mollier arrives and is shot fatally. Saad, wounded, gets in the car and

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tries to escape, but the car gets stuck on a bank. The gunman keeps

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firing. Saad, his wife and mother-in-law reach shot at least

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twice at close range. Zainab has been shot but the gunman has run out

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of bullets, so the clubs. Her sister, four -year-old Zeena, is

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hiding under her dead mother's skirt in the back of the car. She sees

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nothing. A year ago in this beautiful spot,

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four people were brutally murdered and a little girl was shot and left

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for dead. No culprit has yet been found. Tonight we will be

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investigating what really happened here and why. The investigation is

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being run by the French authorities in the nearby town of Annecy. The

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prosecutor has given us new details about the murders and watch the only

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eyewitness to the shootings, seven-year-old Zainab, has been able

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to tell them. She has given us very little information. She is obviously

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badly traumatised by what she has been proved. According to the

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doctors, she has blocked it out. Zainab has only been able to tell

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the police there was one bad man. She can't identify the killer. She

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did not really see him. She cannot give us any information about him.

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What remains in her mind is fear, terror, gunfire, her father

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screaming. We have gone over with key witnesses what they saw that

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afternoon. And tries to piece together what happened. Brett Martin

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coming up the hill at about 3:45pm saw the man we now know to be the

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gunman escaping. He was going very slowly, abnormally slowly. At that

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time, it seemed odd. Tell me what happened when you came round the

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corner. As I came round the corner behind us, the first thing I could

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see was the French cyclist's bicycle lying on its side in the middle of

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the road, quite a way out. I then saw a young child stumble from left

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to right towards the middle of the road and then fall down. Brett,

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thinking it was a traffic accident, went to help Zainab. He pulled her

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to one side of the road. She had quite a bad fleshy injury to her

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right forehead. Her eyes were rolling and she was in and out of

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consciousness. I could actually then see and hear the car. Its engine was

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revving at full revs. Brett went over to the cyclist, Sylvain

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Mollier, who was clearly dead. He pulled him clear of the revving car.

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As you can see by the real ruts, the car had reversed into this location.

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I am presuming that it got grounded in the gravel with the wheels

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spinning. I looked at the driver and it became immediately obvious that

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he had been shot. There was nothing to be done for him. Where was he

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shot? Shot in the head. I then circled around to the other side of

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the car to see whether anybody in the back was alive and therefore

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needed help. As I look into the back of the car, it is very obvious that

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the two ladies in the back had been shot, murdered. Where had they been

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shot? The older lady in the forehead and I could not see the face of the

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younger lady, but she was very evidently dead.

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Then I was thinking, is there a hunter, a sniper type of character

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hiding in the trees, maybe shooting from a covered position or something

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like that? I was thinking to myself, I wonder if this is going to be

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painful when I get shot? Brett tried to call the emergency services but

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could not get the signal. After checking on the little girl, he went

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for help. Murdered in France, three members of

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a British family... A major investigation is under way...

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Zainab was rushed to hospital and survived. The French forensic team

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were at the murder spot for eight hours before they made an

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astonishing discovery. Four -year-old Zeena, frozen with fear,

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in the back of the car. Somehow the child had hidden under Iqbal's skirt

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in her mother's last moments of life. There was only one child seat

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in the car and we had found one child. A helicopter with a heat

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sensor flew over the car but as the bodies were warm, just recently

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deceased, they did not detect the little girl. From the start, the

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murders in the Alps in treat the world. Few clues and no obvious

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motive for killing a family and a cyclist. The case sparked an

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international manhunt involving forces in France, Switzerland, Spain

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and a dozen other countries. Investigators here in France have

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been working on a number of theories involving the al-Hilli family. Was

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it a disputed inheritance? Or something to do with the family's

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background in Iraq? Or could it be best be an arch because of Saad's

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work as a satellite engineer? -- espionage. The media descended on

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the al-Hillis' house in Claygate. The Surrey police began to help the

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French investigates just who this family really were. The al-Hillis

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seemed a normal family, living a quiet life in the Home Counties.

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Saad al-Hilli's parents fled to England from Iraq when he was a

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child. His father was a businessman. His mother was a

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teacher. He had an older brother, Zaid. Our relationship was very

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close. We looked after each other. Saad had a close friend, also

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originally from Iraq. Saad was an extremely genuine person, very

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likeable. A very decent person, very honest. Saad and his brother Zaid

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lived together in the family home in Claygate. Always joking, almost too

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much, but that was his way of doing things. Ten years ago, Saad married

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Iqbal, who trained as a dentist in Iraq with Dr Alabdi. She really was

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very keen to start working as a dentist in the UK and she spent a

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very long time studying. The al-Hillis had two little girls,

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Zeena and Zainab. Their father became firm friends with another

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parent at the playgroup. He was very much a family man and loved both his

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children very expressively, always hugging and kissing and cuddling and

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chasing around. The girls were everything to him. He always wanted

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children and he loved them lots. You know, they were very close family.

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Saad treasured his BMW and loved to take his family on holiday in their

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caravan. The girls called it Spotty. The caravan was his escape. It was

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always ready to go places on the front drive. Then a more complex

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picture of the loving family man began to emerge. Saad al-Hilli was a

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freelance industrial designer. An expert computer draughtsman. He had

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tens of old computers in his garage. And he had a full work set up in his

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study with large screens attached to laptops and desktops and things.

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Yes, he liked computers. Saad often worked for SSTL, a satellite

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engineering firm in Guildford. With his technical know-how and Middle

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East background, investigators still wondered if Saad was a target for

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foreign intelligence agencies. We found on Saad al-Hilli's computer is

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extremely important data that went well beyond anything he needed for

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his work. Was it merely professional curiosity or was he trying to sell

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it? That is what makes this part of the investigation so complex. If he

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was seeking to sell information to foreign powers, we would be dealing

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with intelligence agencies, which could provide an explanation for the

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murders. The police will not say what the data on the computer was.

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We understand that it was not defence-related and his friends and

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family say he only worked on basic industrial designs. I often joked

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that he was making death rays in Guildford because I knew he would

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never get clearance to do anything secret. He did not have top security

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clearance? None at all. He was a contractor brought in to solve small

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problems. He was very efficient at it. I never thought his work was

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anything sensitive. I doubt if Saad is involved in espionage. I would

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not think he would let his company and colleagues down. Saad's work

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meant the family living in a quiet Surrey suburb have been the subject

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of wild speculation. Could Iraq key agents, the Israeli Mossad or the

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CIA have targeted Saad al-Hilli? So you don't think he was a target

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of an intelligence agency because of the nature of his work? No. He is

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just a normal person. The mystery of whether spies were involved in the

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murders in the Alps deepened when the identity of the fourth victim

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was revealed. The French cyclist, Sylvain Mollier, lived just up the

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valley, ten miles from where he was killed. To this day, is relatives

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have not allowed a photograph of him to be seen. TRANSLATION: We wondered

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what the French cyclist was doing there. He was in the mountains on a

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racing bike, quite unsuitable for the road leading up to the parking

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spot. It is a poor road, with lots of potholes. It seemed odd that

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Sylvain Mollier should be there on a racing bike. Sylvain Mollier worked

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in Ugine at a factory involved in the nuclear industry, which raised

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the question of whether he was the target because of what he knew. Some

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people have wondered if Sylvain Mollier's work provided a motive for

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the killings. But although he worked as a technician at a nuclear related

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plant here in Ugine, we understand he did not work on only thing

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top-secret. The police checked out if there was any link between

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Sylvain Mollier and Saad, who worked on satellites, or even the former

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RAF pilot, Brett Martin. What Mollier riding on that road to some

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secret assignation? TRANSLATION: Today, we are not certain, but we

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believe he just got lost and kept going. We are now pretty sure he was

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there by mistake, and not for a meeting. French investigators may

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have dismissed the theory that the French cyclist was killed because he

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was involved in espionage. But in Ugine, where Sylvain Mollier came

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from, there is another angle. Mollier had two children and was

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divorced from his wife. He had a new partner from a wealthy family, who

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some think disapproved of him. There have been reports that it was his

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partner's father who suggested that Mollier take that route that day.

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When the information started coming out that Sylvain Mollier was

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involved in family disputes and he was an outsider to this rich family,

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I think that focused attention that there is something more to it

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locally, because most crime has local routes. TRANSLATION: Some

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claimed there was a conflict between him and his future father-in-law.

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But if all disagreements ended in murder, there would be a lot more of

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them. Sylvain Mollier was shot up to five times. Some people think the

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investigators closed off the local avenue of enquiry to quickly and

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focused wrongly on the al-Hilli family as the intended victims. I

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don't think Saad was the target. He was on holiday. The target was

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Sylvain Mollier, and the origins of this crime are in Annecy or that

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region. TRANSLATION: Today we are convinced that Sylvain Mollier

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happened to be there. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as

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they say. Unfortunately, he was a collateral victim of the murder.

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What is the proof to say he was at the wrong place at the wrong time?

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They have shown no proof. I think it is a cover-up. They know exactly who

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did it. The forensic investigation has not yielded any DNA evidence as

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to the murderer or the motive. But it has provided some vital clues

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about the type of weapon used - lit casings and a fragment of the gun

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handle broken when Zainab was clubbed. The police have established

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that the gun was a Swiss model, standard issue to army officers in

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the past. This is a Swiss Army Luger. It is 1906 and calibre run

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thee. So it is a very old gun? Yes, it is a very old gun, more than 100

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years old. Jean Robert Consolini, Switzerland's for most gun dealer,

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worked with the police and army. He sells many Lugers. It may be an old

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model, but it is an accurate weapon. This pistol is like a Swiss watch.

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It is very nice, made of steel without screws. You can disassemble

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it very easy. It is very good. There are 30,000 of these guns in

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Switzerland alone. You can buy one for about ?1500. You can put seven

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cartridges in the magazines, just one in the barrel. So eight in

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total? Eight in total. But this weapon is not what a professional

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hit man would normally choose. We know 21 rounds were fired from the

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gun used in the murders, so they must have had... The shooter had to

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reload two times. And yet we understand it was all done in a

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matter of 20 or 30 seconds. Yes. It is not easy to do it quickly. So

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what does that tell you about him? It must be a good shooter. The

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murder weapon was Swiss, and the Swiss border is just 30 miles from

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the murder scene. So the authorities in Geneva have been tasked by the

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French to investigate the gun. TRANSLATION: We were not expecting

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the weapon in such a crime to be a P06. You find this type of gun in a

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museum or a private collection. It is a weapon that is recognised by

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Colette does as being very precise, very reliable. But it would seem the

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weapon was used by chance. I would imagine because he found it on the

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black market. So what does the type of gun and the way it was used to

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tell investigators about the likely killer? TRANSLATION: There were 21

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shots. 17 hit targets. The bodywork of the car was untouched. The car

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was moving all the time and he had to reload as he was firing. So we

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are obviously dealing with someone highly experienced, a professional,

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maybe but he could also be a former soldier, a mercenary. We are certain

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he was the only gunman. The French police have investigated the theory

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that the gunman was a deranged individual looking for any target.

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TRANSLATION: The police checked all the databases in Switzerland and

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France of mentally unstable people, former soldiers who might have been

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thrown out of the army, people known for violence and for liking guns.

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But they have not led us to identify a lone gunman. Brett Martin was

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taken back to the scene a week later to retrace his route and try and

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reveal more about the gunman. With a skilled marksman on the loose,

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whoever he was, the police were nervous. I had body armour and a

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fully armed protection squad, which was slightly disturbing. I was

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thinking, is there something you are not telling me that I need to know?

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But on mature reflection, it would not look good if something had

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happened to me. The French investigators wanted to understand

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why Brett and others nearby had not heard the gunfire. They stationed

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police along the route and fired test shots from up at the parking

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area. They have done trials at a location where they estimate I would

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have been at the time the shootings took place. Even listening with

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technical microphones, you could not hear any gunfire at that point. If

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you are located in an area clear of the river, a much quieter area, you

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would probably hear the echo through the valley, but the rushing water

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noise has that masking effect. The killer had picked just the right

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spot. So was he hired by someone to get rid of the victims? And if so,

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how did he know they would be in such a place and that day at that

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time? We have found a witness who suggests that the murders were not

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carried out by one man acting alone. TRANSLATION: It was a beautiful

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autumn day. The tourist season had ended, and it was very calm. This

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witness, a forestry worker, has never spoken publicly before and

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does not want to be identified for fear of the killer still at large.

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Just minutes before the shooting, this man was coming down the road

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when something caught his eye. When I arrived, there was a motorbike

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pulling into the parking area. I passed the parking spot and the

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motorbike was on the left here. I remember it well. It was white and

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black, with panniers on either side, and the rider was all in

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black. Could you see his face? No, his visor was completely closed and

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he was all in black. So it seems the forestry worker saw the killer just

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minutes before the al-Hillis arrived. And for the first time, he

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has described another vehicle he saw, and the driver. This car was

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British and driven by someone who seems to have been an accomplice. It

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was there that I passed him, on this side. He was coming really fast. He

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arrived on the left and passed really quickly here. The car was a

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BMW 4x4, grey metallic, in good condition. Clean, it looked pretty

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new. It was right-hand drive, English. I did not get much of a

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look at the driver, but he was slightly bald and had dark skin, no

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glasses. So the Forrester had seen the black-and-white motorbike at the

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parking spot, and only a couple of minutes later passed the grey BMW

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racing up the mountains. His account gave the investigators a new lead,

:28:05.:28:09.

and it is backed up by two of his colleagues. Ten minutes later, they

:28:10.:28:14.

drove down the same road. They saw the motorbike above the parking area

:28:15.:28:18.

at Le Martinet, be and which motor vehicles are not allowed to go. They

:28:19.:28:23.

told me they passed the motorbike I had passed at Place Martinet, two

:28:24.:28:30.

bends further up. So they had words with him because motor vehicles are

:28:31.:28:34.

not allowed. So they called out to him and asked him to drive down.

:28:35.:28:38.

They saw his face because he lifted his helmet, so they saw him. He had

:28:39.:28:46.

a bit of a beard. The police have yet to issue this first brief

:28:47.:28:49.

description of the gunman. It seems he was working with an accomplice to

:28:50.:28:54.

do the surveillance. So was this the work of some security agency? The

:28:55.:29:01.

hit man may have been a good marksman, but killing a family,

:29:02.:29:07.

including women, and a cyclist, and shooting a child does not bear the

:29:08.:29:10.

hallmarks of a carefully planned, state sponsors and -- assassination.

:29:11.:29:19.

If you look at assassinations, if the CIA or Mossad want to

:29:20.:29:21.

assassinate someone they usually assassinate them near work or

:29:22.:29:25.

leaving their work. They don't follow them 1000 miles and

:29:26.:29:29.

assassinate them. The whole thing just doesn't make sense. So if it

:29:30.:29:35.

was not an intelligence agency, could it have been a contract

:29:36.:29:39.

killing carried out by someone in the criminal underworld? Either

:29:40.:29:46.

way, the murder spot at Le Martinet was perfectly placed for a quick

:29:47.:29:50.

getaway. As well as the road back down, which it seems the motorbike

:29:51.:29:55.

took, the BMW could have taken one of several forest routes over the

:29:56.:30:00.

mountains. It is only a short distance to Italy and Switzerland. A

:30:01.:30:08.

small car could not make it. The road is too bad. But the guy with

:30:09.:30:12.

the 4x4, he could have. If he had looked at a map, there was a

:30:13.:30:16.

motorway about an hour and a half away that takes you straight to

:30:17.:30:25.

Italy. French police have traced all the vehicles in the area that day

:30:26.:30:31.

except two. They are still looking for the white motorbike and the

:30:32.:30:35.

grave 4x4. Was this British car known to the al-Hilli family? This

:30:36.:30:42.

is the first time here that, OK? Now where did this British cars go? Did

:30:43.:30:53.

it cross borders? Where is it? Do you know anything about this British

:30:54.:30:58.

car? I don't know anything about this British car. The family had

:30:59.:31:09.

been staying on this campsite... Search of the caravan may have

:31:10.:31:18.

produced clues... Investigators soon made a surprising discovery in the

:31:19.:31:23.

campsite where the al-Hillis had been staying, in their caravan. As

:31:24.:31:27.

well as the children's bicycles, there was something else in the

:31:28.:31:30.

caravan that would lead quickly to Britain. In his caravan, Saad

:31:31.:31:39.

al-Hilli had a number of computers, software, hard disks, USB memory

:31:40.:31:45.

sticks, paper documents, in which we found a huge amount of information

:31:46.:31:47.

on every aspect of his life. Today the family house in Claygate

:31:48.:32:02.

is locked up and deserted. But it did hear that investigators have

:32:03.:32:06.

discovered a web of complex family relations. -- it is here. It all

:32:07.:32:12.

centres around property. As well as this house, there were other flats

:32:13.:32:17.

in England and other places abroad. This property portfolio had been put

:32:18.:32:27.

together by card al-Hilli, Saad and Zaid's father who died in 2007. --

:32:28.:32:33.

Kadhem al-Hilli. He had fled to Britain from Iraq in the 1970s.

:32:34.:32:37.

Investigators have tried to get to the bottom of the family history in

:32:38.:32:42.

Iraq to see if there was a motive here for the murders. Kadhem

:32:43.:32:46.

al-Hilli once had factories and a farm. Afraid of Saddam Hussein's

:32:47.:32:51.

regime, he had sold some businesses that capped a house in Baghdad.

:32:52.:32:58.

After the fall of Saddam Hussein, the area was tense and lawless. The

:32:59.:33:03.

family's old home had been taken over by squatters but the youngest

:33:04.:33:08.

son, Saad, went to try and take it back. It was shortly after the fall

:33:09.:33:12.

of the regime. He didn't feel very safe and it did not go that well.

:33:13.:33:19.

The people who used to occupy the house threatened him and he just

:33:20.:33:25.

came back. Although he had been threatened and beaten up, Saad

:33:26.:33:28.

continued to try and resolve the problem in Iraq. Could the murders

:33:29.:33:35.

have been linked to the dispute over the property here? Shortly before

:33:36.:33:39.

the killing, I asked him what was happening with the house and his

:33:40.:33:42.

answer was very brief and cheerful. He said it had been sorted. Why did

:33:43.:33:52.

know any more, I don't know how it was sorted. -- I don't know any

:33:53.:33:59.

more. We have encountered a problem with regards to Iraq. The situation

:34:00.:34:03.

in the country makes it difficult for investigators to travel there so

:34:04.:34:07.

it is difficult to get precise information. In Spain however,

:34:08.:34:16.

investigators would find more revealing information about the

:34:17.:34:21.

al-Hilli family. Kadhem retired there when his wife died about ten

:34:22.:34:27.

years ago. He bought a small flat in the village of Mijas and his sons

:34:28.:34:31.

would visit him there while he was still alive. Who was a charming

:34:32.:34:37.

gentleman, very dapper, very well-dressed. -- he was. The flat

:34:38.:34:42.

was sold to Kadhem by a British estate agent in the village. He did

:34:43.:34:47.

not speak very much English but he had a twinkle in his eye and he was

:34:48.:34:52.

always charming and polite. I had no idea from what I have read that he

:34:53.:35:05.

had any wealth. He lived very modestly. He was nothing out of the

:35:06.:35:08.

ordinary, just a sweet little old man. To people here, there did not

:35:09.:35:10.

seem to be any problems in the family or between the two brothers.

:35:11.:35:16.

The sons were fine. I knew Zaid better. Why got the impression that

:35:17.:35:23.

he was a bit of a loner, -- I got. Very charming, very sweet. But under

:35:24.:35:33.

the surface, there were tensions over the al-Hilli property in Spain.

:35:34.:35:41.

We know that Saad was troubled by what he discovered his brother Zaid

:35:42.:35:46.

had done about the ownership of the flat in Mijas. We understand that

:35:47.:35:53.

Zaid had tried to put the property in his name alone. When his father

:35:54.:35:57.

objected he changed it to his own and his father's name, that Saad's

:35:58.:36:05.

name was not on the deeds. Zaid agreed to his first television

:36:06.:36:09.

interview, saying he wanted to set the record straight. It was Saad's

:36:10.:36:14.

name on those steeds? No, because he was not with us. Why not if he was

:36:15.:36:23.

stood to inherit at some point? I don't know that. Ask my father. He

:36:24.:36:30.

is not here, unfortunately. The house in Claygate was left to Saad

:36:31.:36:41.

and Zaid after their father died. Zaid continued to live there even

:36:42.:36:50.

after Saad married. There were no tensions? No. It was a very good

:36:51.:36:56.

brotherly relationship. No attention at all. But we understand that their

:36:57.:37:06.

relationship had begun to turn sour. The year before the killings, Kadhem

:37:07.:37:10.

came here to Claygate to visit. We have learned that his father made

:37:11.:37:16.

Saad worried when he told him that Zaid had got him to sign a blank

:37:17.:37:21.

world. Saad found the will in the house. This was December 2011. Saad

:37:22.:37:29.

told his friend James Mathews about the will in an extraordinary online

:37:30.:37:36.

exchange. What does he say? He did not tell me about the will. Saad

:37:37.:37:43.

used the word fraud. Saad thought his brother was trying to exclude

:37:44.:37:48.

him from the inheritance. He thought that Will was fraudulent? Yes, that

:37:49.:37:54.

was his opinion. When my father came here last year he asked me where is

:37:55.:37:58.

the paper that I signed and I did not know what my dad was talking

:37:59.:38:04.

about. So Zaid had made him sign a blank paper. Saad said that to you?

:38:05.:38:13.

That is what he typed. His words. He says, in the end we found it and I

:38:14.:38:19.

was not mentioned. We understand that Saad challenged Zaid who then

:38:20.:38:28.

produced a different world. -- a different will. We found two draft

:38:29.:38:33.

wills, one in which the older brother was left all of the

:38:34.:38:37.

father's assets, and one where they were divided equally between the

:38:38.:38:42.

sons. So that is when we realised there was a problem between the

:38:43.:38:47.

brothers. Zaid claimed they had always got on well. The French

:38:48.:38:51.

investigators believe that at the heart of this is the disputed

:38:52.:38:54.

inheritance between you and your brother. Did you help your father

:38:55.:39:01.

make the will and what was in it? I think this would not be appropriate

:39:02.:39:07.

for legal reasons to talk about. We know your brother was talking about

:39:08.:39:11.

this online with a friend. He talked about it being fraud against him and

:39:12.:39:14.

he was not mentioned in the world. He felt that you were to blame.

:39:15.:39:22.

Again, I go back to the same point. For legal reasons, it would not be

:39:23.:39:28.

appropriate. They'd al-Hilli had warned us that he could not talk

:39:29.:39:34.

about certain matters as the British police are investigating him over

:39:35.:39:40.

possible fraud. After finding the will, Saad began to investigate

:39:41.:39:45.

every aspect of the family properties and the brothers'

:39:46.:39:49.

inheritance. Relations quickly deteriorated and things came to a

:39:50.:39:53.

head later that year after their father died. Did he talk about rows

:39:54.:39:58.

that he had had with his brother? No. It was very much silence. They

:39:59.:40:22.

ended up communicating by lawyer. He was writing to his lawyer, who was

:40:23.:40:25.

writing to his brother, which I thought was a shame. I had hoped

:40:26.:40:28.

that blood was thicker than money. I have not spoken to Saad since

:40:29.:40:30.

October 2011. So there were problems between you? Differences? Yes,

:40:31.:40:32.

tensions. Every family has disagreements, but we must not

:40:33.:40:37.

exaggerate them. If you involve a solicitor, what does that mean?

:40:38.:40:42.

Something bad? On the contrary. I think we did the right thing to

:40:43.:40:47.

involve a solicitor, to have somebody who would do everything

:40:48.:40:51.

professionally. The French investigators have told us that the

:40:52.:40:56.

lawyer could be a key witness. Though Zaid was still living there,

:40:57.:41:02.

by October 2011 there was open conflict in the Claygate house. We

:41:03.:41:06.

have discovered that the police were even called one night. I wanted

:41:07.:41:15.

something from him and he would not give me a copy, or return my copy,

:41:16.:41:23.

rather. It was not really... It was more of a heated discussion. It must

:41:24.:41:29.

have been quite heated if the police were called. Well, he calls them. I

:41:30.:41:34.

don't know why he had to call them and they were not interested. The

:41:35.:41:43.

following month, Zaid moved out into another flat that his brother and

:41:44.:41:46.

father had partly financed in nearby Chessington. This one, Saad

:41:47.:41:54.

discovered, had been registered in Zaid's name alone. Well, it is a

:41:55.:42:01.

combination of people. Saad had to share and my father gave me the

:42:02.:42:06.

money towards the flat and I had my money in it as well. But Saad's name

:42:07.:42:13.

was not on the deeds of the flat? Yes, he never wanted his name to be

:42:14.:42:20.

on the deeds of the flat. Saad was getting angry, as he made clear in

:42:21.:42:25.

his online messages. I have been gathering information on my brother

:42:26.:42:29.

and I am shocked. Can he really be my brother? We also know that one

:42:30.:42:36.

month after his brother left Claygate, Saad changed the locks on

:42:37.:42:40.

the house and he installed security cameras. He also had a Taser, an

:42:41.:42:47.

electric stun gun. Saad now thought that Zaid wanted half the value of

:42:48.:42:53.

the Claygate house, ?400,000, and he was worried he would have to sell

:42:54.:42:58.

the family home. He was talking about the house. He said all the

:42:59.:43:02.

work and earnings had gone into it and I knew how hard he had worked.

:43:03.:43:08.

And he said he would pay for none of it. Zaid? Yes. I said to be there in

:43:09.:43:15.

court to tell them when I need you because I think that is where it

:43:16.:43:20.

will end up, in court. So he was asking you to be a witness for him

:43:21.:43:24.

if necessary, if it came to a showdown with the brother? This is

:43:25.:43:30.

why I have given the logs to the police. He thinks I should give him

:43:31.:43:34.

the house. Everything emanates from that. I have never really wanted the

:43:35.:43:40.

Claygate house. I knew that Saad liked it, he loved it and wanted to

:43:41.:44:06.

stay there. I would not dream of asking him to get a mortgage just on

:44:07.:44:09.

my account. He obviously felt under enormous pressure from you, pressure

:44:10.:44:12.

over money and half of the house. I did not bring up the problem...

:44:13.:44:14.

Anything about the house. The police then made a fresh discovery in

:44:15.:44:17.

Switzerland. Their father had money here in a private bank account, too.

:44:18.:44:20.

There would be another twist in this complicated tale. We discovered that

:44:21.:44:32.

Kadhem, Zaid and Saad's father, set up an account in this Geneva bank in

:44:33.:44:42.

1988, depositing ?690,000. He hardly touched it after that. So a year

:44:43.:44:46.

before Kadhem died, the bank was surprised to get a request from

:44:47.:44:50.

England, not Spain where he was living. A request for a credit card

:44:51.:45:00.

to take money from his account. It was a bank employee who saw this

:45:01.:45:03.

strange request and noticed that the signature was peculiar. He rang the

:45:04.:45:06.

father who said that he did not want a credit card, cancel it. And we

:45:07.:45:13.

found out afterwards that it was Zaid trying to falsify his father's

:45:14.:45:18.

signature to obtain two credit cards. So it was fraud by Zaid? Yes,

:45:19.:45:26.

it was clearly a fraudulent attempt. Did you try to get a credit card in

:45:27.:45:31.

your father's name to withdraw money from that account? Again it would

:45:32.:45:36.

not be appropriate for me to discuss that for legal reasons, as you

:45:37.:45:41.

understand. With the money in Switzerland and the properties,

:45:42.:45:44.

investigators believe the al-Hilli assets were worth over ?2 million.

:45:45.:45:52.

TRANSLATION: The investigators have become convinced that Zaid tried to

:45:53.:45:58.

steal from his father, one way or another, and that there was a very

:45:59.:46:03.

serious feud between the two brothers, so serious that Saad

:46:04.:46:07.

al-Hilli was afraid of his brother. As you know, he had changed the

:46:08.:46:10.

locks at the house and fitted a new alarm. The French investigators are

:46:11.:46:16.

convinced that you had a motive for killing your brother and his family.

:46:17.:46:20.

A lot of money was basically at stake, perhaps ?2 million or more.

:46:21.:46:26.

This is a complete to live by the French investigators. The French

:46:27.:46:32.

investigators have used Saad and I to divert attention from the origins

:46:33.:46:41.

of this crime. By the end of August last year, Saad had had enough of

:46:42.:46:45.

the legal wrangling. The family went off to the Alps, taking the records

:46:46.:46:50.

of the disputed inheritance with them. Saad had taken out a legal

:46:51.:46:56.

block on his father's will and registered his interest in the

:46:57.:46:58.

Chessington flat to stop his brother selling it. When the family reached

:46:59.:47:07.

the Alps, Saad plant to go to the bank in nearby Geneva. Investigators

:47:08.:47:11.

say each brother had told the Swiss bank not to release any money to the

:47:12.:47:18.

other. He called the bank on Monday afternoon to say, I am going to pop

:47:19.:47:23.

round to the bank, and he was dead on Wednesday. What does that tell

:47:24.:47:30.

you? It is disturbing. You can't draw any conclusions today, but it

:47:31.:47:34.

is just the thing. There is a closeness about the dates that is

:47:35.:47:46.

disturbing. Within those two days, the killer struck not just at Saad,

:47:47.:47:52.

but his wife, mother-in-law and children, too.

:47:53.:48:00.

Did you kill your brother? Of course not. Did you arrange for anyone else

:48:01.:48:05.

to kill the family, your brother and relatives? No. The people who killed

:48:06.:48:12.

my brother are the French. So you are saying it is because the French

:48:13.:48:16.

cyclist was the target that your brother was caught up in this? Yes.

:48:17.:48:20.

We are dealing with probably very powerful people, powerful local

:48:21.:48:26.

people. They know each other. They are in each other's pockets. That is

:48:27.:48:33.

what we need to find out. You seem to be saying that the French don't

:48:34.:48:38.

want to find a French cup it? Yes. -- a French culprit. They focused

:48:39.:48:44.

the attention onto us. I have to be blunt. It has a racist background to

:48:45.:48:53.

it. Our background is Middle Eastern, Arab, Muslim, and that is

:48:54.:48:59.

very convenient. Why did you shut down that line of enquiry? People in

:49:00.:49:04.

Britain, particularly in the al-Hilli family, believed the

:49:05.:49:09.

cyclist is the key to this murder. TRANSLATION: I can't prevent anyone

:49:10.:49:12.

interested in this story from having an opinion. The police have

:49:13.:49:18.

investigated First Minister's family as far as they could. There is

:49:19.:49:25.

nothing to link Mollier's family to this murder. The police are

:49:26.:49:28.

convinced of it. People can think anything they like.

:49:29.:49:39.

From the start, the French investigators wanted Zaid-al-Hilli

:49:40.:49:45.

to come to Annecy. But he has refused to be interviewed in France.

:49:46.:49:52.

Why did you not agree to go to France and be questioned there? I

:49:53.:49:59.

don't trust the French. I do not trust the investigators. Remember,

:50:00.:50:03.

Saad was killed, and his wife and her mother and Sylvain Mollier, in

:50:04.:50:09.

that region. I am not going to risk it. You would be worried about your

:50:10.:50:17.

end safety? Yes. Why? Anything can happen.

:50:18.:50:25.

But even before the funerals were held back home, Zaid-al-Hilli went

:50:26.:50:27.

voluntarily to the police in Surrey. He would tell them he was in England

:50:28.:50:31.

with a friend at the time of the murders, and that he and his brother

:50:32.:50:39.

got on fine. I said to them that there were not any trouble is

:50:40.:50:46.

between us. From the way I look at it, I do not have any issues with

:50:47.:50:52.

Saad. But that is not strictly true, because there are serious issues or

:50:53.:50:59.

were serious issues between you. Not really, no. Saad had issues, but I

:51:00.:51:04.

did not have issues. TRANSLATION: We know that when Zaid says he got on

:51:05.:51:12.

with his brother, he is lying. I was not lying. That was how I looked at

:51:13.:51:17.

it. I didn't raise any issues with Saad about anything.

:51:18.:51:32.

In June this year, Zaid's flat in Chessington was searched. He was

:51:33.:51:36.

arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder and later bailed. He has

:51:37.:51:42.

never been charged. But the brothers' falling out over the

:51:43.:51:46.

alleged fraud involving the will and the Swiss bank account had been

:51:47.:51:49.

discovered soon after the murders, nine months earlier. So why the

:51:50.:51:56.

delay? TRANSLATION: We, the Swiss authorities, immediately passed on

:51:57.:52:00.

these documents. After that, I don't know what happened. When we met up

:52:01.:52:03.

in May with the British authorities, I passed the documents on again. So

:52:04.:52:07.

why didn't the British police act sooner? I have no idea. That is

:52:08.:52:14.

their choice. Why did it take so long to arrest Zaid-al-Hilli and

:52:15.:52:19.

search his home nine months from the start the investigation? It is

:52:20.:52:25.

difficult, even impossible to answer that question. You would have to ask

:52:26.:52:29.

the British investigators, because that is one of the problems with an

:52:30.:52:34.

international investigation. French law is different from British law,

:52:35.:52:37.

so the way of conducting an investigation is different. Surrey

:52:38.:52:43.

and Sussex police told us that as this is an ongoing investigation,

:52:44.:52:47.

they cannot comment on operational matters. They say they continue to

:52:48.:52:53.

work closely with the French. Are you worried that evidence has

:52:54.:52:59.

been lost - phone records, financial records that Zaid had, because of

:53:00.:53:05.

this delay? Yes, it is a possibility, obviously. But every

:53:06.:53:10.

country feels that its own way of doing things is the right one.

:53:11.:53:19.

A year after the al-Hillis made that fateful journey, there is still no

:53:20.:53:24.

evidence of who the gunman and his accomplices were. A possible link to

:53:25.:53:28.

Romania has been discounted. There is no DNA, no increment dating phone

:53:29.:53:37.

calls. Do you have any information about

:53:38.:53:41.

the possible hit man, any leads as to who that person was? No.

:53:42.:53:50.

Absolutely nothing. It is just someone who was a highly experienced

:53:51.:53:54.

gunman with a very cool head, who could kill several people in cold

:53:55.:53:58.

blood, who could even consider killing a little girl with no

:53:59.:54:03.

problem. So we have got a psychological profile.

:54:04.:54:06.

Unfortunately, we have no precise information about the killer. The

:54:07.:54:14.

French investigators say they will solve the mystery of the murders in

:54:15.:54:18.

the Alps, however long it takes. They have enough to keep 40

:54:19.:54:21.

detectives busy for another year at least, tracking thousands of phone

:54:22.:54:27.

calls made in the area and hundreds of e-mails. But so far, they only

:54:28.:54:33.

have one suspect. So Zaid-al-Hilli is your number one suspect?

:54:34.:54:40.

TRANSLATION: I have always refused to refer to him as our number one

:54:41.:54:44.

suspect. But he is indeed the only person we know that we have

:54:45.:54:49.

identified to whom we can put a face and who has a motive for the murder.

:54:50.:54:55.

But what is certain, whether it is in France or Britain, if he was

:54:56.:54:59.

judged in court tomorrow, he would be acquitted both here and in

:55:00.:55:03.

Britain. He has a motive, but the fact that he has a motive does not

:55:04.:55:10.

make him the killer. You were the only one with a motive for killing

:55:11.:55:14.

your brother that has been established so far, and the

:55:15.:55:17.

suspicion rests on you. What is the motive? Prove it, I said to them.

:55:18.:55:29.

And they are wrong, because they are covering up. They are covering up

:55:30.:55:34.

for someone in France in that region, and they know it. That is

:55:35.:55:41.

why I offered to do a polygraph test. A lie detector test? Yes. The

:55:42.:55:49.

French are not interested in a polygraph. Zaid-al-Hilli also wants

:55:50.:55:55.

a judicial enquiry, and says he will put up a reward for information

:55:56.:56:02.

leading to the killers. Brett Martin, the man who discovered

:56:03.:56:06.

the murders, still rides his bike up the mountain road to Le Martinet. I

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have intentionally gone back there so that it now is a normal thing to

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do to ride up that road without fear of what went on in the past, because

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I think you can't live your life in permanent fear of what might be in

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the shadows. Saad's friends fear that whoever is behind the murders

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may never be held accountable. I hope the people responsible will be

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caught and brought to justice, but it does not seem as if we know

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enough to even get near them. You think they will ever solve this

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crime? I would hope so, but I don't hold much hope. Without DNA

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evidence, I don't think there is any way of solving it. The two little

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girls who survived the killings in the Alps spent months under the

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protection of social services. Zainab and Xena have now been

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allowed to live with one of their mother's relatives, but have not

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seen their uncle. Life will be difficult for them, wanted? Yes, of

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course. It is a tragedy for the whole family. They are flesh and

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blood. They are my nieces, and I lived with them, I know them. I

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bought them presents. We used to read together, play together. The

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Zaid-al-Hilli, whose brother was murdered, and whose reputation has

:57:51.:57:53.

been damaged, the last year has been very painful. This does not leave me

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for a minute. It is with me 24/7, every minute of the day. And you are

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dealing with lots of emotions, emotions of bereavement, anger,

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emotions of being let down by a system. The horror of what happened

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in the Alps is still all too real for everyone involved. The relatives

:58:22.:58:26.

of Sylvain Mollier. For the girls whose parents and grandmother were

:58:27.:58:30.

Ruta Lee murdered. And for the brother who is still under

:58:31.:58:31.

suspicion.

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