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A family from Britain on holiday in the French Alps, brutally murdered. | :00:10. | :00:18. | |
A father, mother and grandmother, shot at point-blank range in their | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
car. They were killed in that way with their kids around and the | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
mother in the car. They think it is disastrous, unimaginable. A | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
seven-year-old girl is shot and left for dead. The cyclist is killed. | :00:34. | :00:41. | |
Another has a narrow escape. I was thinking to myself, I wonder if this | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
will be painful when I get shot. The British former RAF pilot who | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
discovered the crime takes us back to the scene. It is a mystery. | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
Complex, unsolved, and Agatha Christie whodunnit type of scenario. | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
The murder mystery sparked a huge police investigation in 15 | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
countries. Now a witness speaks for the first time about the British car | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
that he saw just before the murders. The car was a BMW 4x4, X5, metallic | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
grey. It was right-hand drive, English. We investigate the murder | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
weapon and ask if the killer was a professional. Whilst the family the | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
target of an intelligence agency because the father worked for a | :01:35. | :01:42. | |
high-tech company in Britain? -- was the family? Or was the target the | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
cyclist? Is the Anza to the murder mystery closer to home? We seek | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
extraordinary online conversations with the dead man. I am shocked by | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
the information I have gathered. Can you really be my brother? The | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
brother suspected by the police were being behind the murders defends | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
himself on Panorama, his first television interview. Did you kill | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
your brother? Of course not. It is ridiculous, the whole thing. | :02:13. | :02:22. | |
A late summer afternoon in the Alps a year ago. The al-Hilli family from | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
England are on holiday by Lake Annecy in France. They set out for a | :02:31. | :02:38. | |
local beauty spot. In the car, a father, mother, grandmother and two | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
little girls. They drive through a village and up a narrow road that | :02:46. | :02:53. | |
leads high into the mountains. That day, an Englishman sets off for a | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
bike ride up the same road. Brett Martin, a former RAF pilot, has a | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
holiday home in the area. I had no fixed route in my mind where I was | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
going to go. Either the house at 2:30pm. It was sunny, fine, no wind, | :03:10. | :03:17. | |
a peaceful and pleasant afternoon. In the village of Chevaline, Brett | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
first notices another cyclist ahead of him, a Frenchman. It was a bit | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
surprising to see someone on a racing bike because racing cyclists | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
tend to look after their bikes. Wheels are easily damaged on | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
potholes and links. Brett starts with three mile climb up the road | :03:38. | :03:44. | |
from the village. Aslan climbing up the hill at a relatively slow pace, | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
a relatively slow pace, vehicle passes me. -- as I am climbing. I am | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
pretty sure the car contained the al-Hilli family. Nestling in the | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
French Alps, the village of Chevaline, which Brett Martin has | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
just driven through. Sylvain Mollier, the French cyclist, is | :04:04. | :04:10. | |
ahead of him. Around 3:30pm, Brett is overtaken by the al-Hillis's car. | :04:11. | :04:23. | |
They continue up the steep road to Le Martinet. It is only a few | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
minutes drive to this parking spot, but it will take Brett another ten | :04:27. | :04:34. | |
minutes to cycle there. At about 3:40pm, the al-Hillis reach Le | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
Martinet. According to the French police, this is what then happens. | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
Saad al-Hilli gets out of the car with his seven-year-old daughter, | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
Zainab. In less than a minute, four people will be dead. As soon as Saad | :04:50. | :04:57. | |
and Zainab get out of the car, the gunman fires on them. Sylvain | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
Mollier arrives and is shot fatally. Saad, wounded, gets in the car and | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
tries to escape, but the car gets stuck on a bank. The gunman keeps | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
firing. Saad, his wife and mother-in-law reach shot at least | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
twice at close range. Zainab has been shot but the gunman has run out | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
of bullets, so the clubs. Her sister, four -year-old Zeena, is | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
hiding under her dead mother's skirt in the back of the car. She sees | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
nothing. A year ago in this beautiful spot, | :05:31. | :05:44. | |
four people were brutally murdered and a little girl was shot and left | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
for dead. No culprit has yet been found. Tonight we will be | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
investigating what really happened here and why. The investigation is | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
being run by the French authorities in the nearby town of Annecy. The | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
prosecutor has given us new details about the murders and watch the only | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
eyewitness to the shootings, seven-year-old Zainab, has been able | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
to tell them. She has given us very little information. She is obviously | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
badly traumatised by what she has been proved. According to the | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
doctors, she has blocked it out. Zainab has only been able to tell | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
the police there was one bad man. She can't identify the killer. She | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
did not really see him. She cannot give us any information about him. | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
What remains in her mind is fear, terror, gunfire, her father | :06:44. | :06:52. | |
screaming. We have gone over with key witnesses what they saw that | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
afternoon. And tries to piece together what happened. Brett Martin | :06:57. | :07:05. | |
coming up the hill at about 3:45pm saw the man we now know to be the | :07:06. | :07:14. | |
gunman escaping. He was going very slowly, abnormally slowly. At that | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
time, it seemed odd. Tell me what happened when you came round the | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
corner. As I came round the corner behind us, the first thing I could | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
see was the French cyclist's bicycle lying on its side in the middle of | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
the road, quite a way out. I then saw a young child stumble from left | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
to right towards the middle of the road and then fall down. Brett, | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
thinking it was a traffic accident, went to help Zainab. He pulled her | :07:44. | :08:02. | |
to one side of the road. She had quite a bad fleshy injury to her | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
right forehead. Her eyes were rolling and she was in and out of | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
consciousness. I could actually then see and hear the car. Its engine was | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
revving at full revs. Brett went over to the cyclist, Sylvain | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
Mollier, who was clearly dead. He pulled him clear of the revving car. | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
As you can see by the real ruts, the car had reversed into this location. | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
I am presuming that it got grounded in the gravel with the wheels | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
spinning. I looked at the driver and it became immediately obvious that | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
he had been shot. There was nothing to be done for him. Where was he | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
shot? Shot in the head. I then circled around to the other side of | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
the car to see whether anybody in the back was alive and therefore | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
needed help. As I look into the back of the car, it is very obvious that | :08:50. | :08:57. | |
the two ladies in the back had been shot, murdered. Where had they been | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
shot? The older lady in the forehead and I could not see the face of the | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
younger lady, but she was very evidently dead. | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
Then I was thinking, is there a hunter, a sniper type of character | :09:13. | :09:20. | |
hiding in the trees, maybe shooting from a covered position or something | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
like that? I was thinking to myself, I wonder if this is going to be | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
painful when I get shot? Brett tried to call the emergency services but | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
could not get the signal. After checking on the little girl, he went | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
for help. Murdered in France, three members of | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
a British family... A major investigation is under way... | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
Zainab was rushed to hospital and survived. The French forensic team | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
were at the murder spot for eight hours before they made an | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
astonishing discovery. Four -year-old Zeena, frozen with fear, | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
in the back of the car. Somehow the child had hidden under Iqbal's skirt | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
in her mother's last moments of life. There was only one child seat | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
in the car and we had found one child. A helicopter with a heat | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
sensor flew over the car but as the bodies were warm, just recently | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
deceased, they did not detect the little girl. From the start, the | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
murders in the Alps in treat the world. Few clues and no obvious | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
motive for killing a family and a cyclist. The case sparked an | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
international manhunt involving forces in France, Switzerland, Spain | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
and a dozen other countries. Investigators here in France have | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
been working on a number of theories involving the al-Hilli family. Was | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
it a disputed inheritance? Or something to do with the family's | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
background in Iraq? Or could it be best be an arch because of Saad's | :11:06. | :11:17. | |
work as a satellite engineer? -- espionage. The media descended on | :11:18. | :11:26. | |
the al-Hillis' house in Claygate. The Surrey police began to help the | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
French investigates just who this family really were. The al-Hillis | :11:31. | :11:40. | |
seemed a normal family, living a quiet life in the Home Counties. | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
Saad al-Hilli's parents fled to England from Iraq when he was a | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
child. His father was a businessman. His mother was a | :11:51. | :12:00. | |
teacher. He had an older brother, Zaid. Our relationship was very | :12:01. | :12:12. | |
close. We looked after each other. Saad had a close friend, also | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
originally from Iraq. Saad was an extremely genuine person, very | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
likeable. A very decent person, very honest. Saad and his brother Zaid | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
lived together in the family home in Claygate. Always joking, almost too | :12:31. | :12:37. | |
much, but that was his way of doing things. Ten years ago, Saad married | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
Iqbal, who trained as a dentist in Iraq with Dr Alabdi. She really was | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
very keen to start working as a dentist in the UK and she spent a | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
very long time studying. The al-Hillis had two little girls, | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
Zeena and Zainab. Their father became firm friends with another | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
parent at the playgroup. He was very much a family man and loved both his | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
children very expressively, always hugging and kissing and cuddling and | :13:11. | :13:20. | |
chasing around. The girls were everything to him. He always wanted | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
children and he loved them lots. You know, they were very close family. | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
Saad treasured his BMW and loved to take his family on holiday in their | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
caravan. The girls called it Spotty. The caravan was his escape. It was | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
always ready to go places on the front drive. Then a more complex | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
picture of the loving family man began to emerge. Saad al-Hilli was a | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
freelance industrial designer. An expert computer draughtsman. He had | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
tens of old computers in his garage. And he had a full work set up in his | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
study with large screens attached to laptops and desktops and things. | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
Yes, he liked computers. Saad often worked for SSTL, a satellite | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
engineering firm in Guildford. With his technical know-how and Middle | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
East background, investigators still wondered if Saad was a target for | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
foreign intelligence agencies. We found on Saad al-Hilli's computer is | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
extremely important data that went well beyond anything he needed for | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
his work. Was it merely professional curiosity or was he trying to sell | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
it? That is what makes this part of the investigation so complex. If he | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
was seeking to sell information to foreign powers, we would be dealing | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
with intelligence agencies, which could provide an explanation for the | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
murders. The police will not say what the data on the computer was. | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
We understand that it was not defence-related and his friends and | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
family say he only worked on basic industrial designs. I often joked | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
that he was making death rays in Guildford because I knew he would | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
never get clearance to do anything secret. He did not have top security | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
clearance? None at all. He was a contractor brought in to solve small | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
problems. He was very efficient at it. I never thought his work was | :15:32. | :15:44. | |
anything sensitive. I doubt if Saad is involved in espionage. I would | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
not think he would let his company and colleagues down. Saad's work | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
meant the family living in a quiet Surrey suburb have been the subject | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
of wild speculation. Could Iraq key agents, the Israeli Mossad or the | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
CIA have targeted Saad al-Hilli? So you don't think he was a target | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
of an intelligence agency because of the nature of his work? No. He is | :16:10. | :16:23. | |
just a normal person. The mystery of whether spies were involved in the | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
murders in the Alps deepened when the identity of the fourth victim | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
was revealed. The French cyclist, Sylvain Mollier, lived just up the | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
valley, ten miles from where he was killed. To this day, is relatives | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
have not allowed a photograph of him to be seen. TRANSLATION: We wondered | :16:41. | :16:49. | |
what the French cyclist was doing there. He was in the mountains on a | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
racing bike, quite unsuitable for the road leading up to the parking | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
spot. It is a poor road, with lots of potholes. It seemed odd that | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
Sylvain Mollier should be there on a racing bike. Sylvain Mollier worked | :17:06. | :17:16. | |
in Ugine at a factory involved in the nuclear industry, which raised | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
the question of whether he was the target because of what he knew. Some | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
people have wondered if Sylvain Mollier's work provided a motive for | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
the killings. But although he worked as a technician at a nuclear related | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
plant here in Ugine, we understand he did not work on only thing | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
top-secret. The police checked out if there was any link between | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
Sylvain Mollier and Saad, who worked on satellites, or even the former | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
RAF pilot, Brett Martin. What Mollier riding on that road to some | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
secret assignation? TRANSLATION: Today, we are not certain, but we | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
believe he just got lost and kept going. We are now pretty sure he was | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
there by mistake, and not for a meeting. French investigators may | :18:09. | :18:17. | |
have dismissed the theory that the French cyclist was killed because he | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
was involved in espionage. But in Ugine, where Sylvain Mollier came | :18:23. | :18:29. | |
from, there is another angle. Mollier had two children and was | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
divorced from his wife. He had a new partner from a wealthy family, who | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
some think disapproved of him. There have been reports that it was his | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
partner's father who suggested that Mollier take that route that day. | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
When the information started coming out that Sylvain Mollier was | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
involved in family disputes and he was an outsider to this rich family, | :18:52. | :19:00. | |
I think that focused attention that there is something more to it | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
locally, because most crime has local routes. TRANSLATION: Some | :19:05. | :19:12. | |
claimed there was a conflict between him and his future father-in-law. | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
But if all disagreements ended in murder, there would be a lot more of | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
them. Sylvain Mollier was shot up to five times. Some people think the | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
investigators closed off the local avenue of enquiry to quickly and | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
focused wrongly on the al-Hilli family as the intended victims. I | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
don't think Saad was the target. He was on holiday. The target was | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
Sylvain Mollier, and the origins of this crime are in Annecy or that | :19:44. | :19:54. | |
region. TRANSLATION: Today we are convinced that Sylvain Mollier | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
happened to be there. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, as | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
they say. Unfortunately, he was a collateral victim of the murder. | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
What is the proof to say he was at the wrong place at the wrong time? | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
They have shown no proof. I think it is a cover-up. They know exactly who | :20:12. | :20:20. | |
did it. The forensic investigation has not yielded any DNA evidence as | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
to the murderer or the motive. But it has provided some vital clues | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
about the type of weapon used - lit casings and a fragment of the gun | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
handle broken when Zainab was clubbed. The police have established | :20:34. | :20:43. | |
that the gun was a Swiss model, standard issue to army officers in | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
the past. This is a Swiss Army Luger. It is 1906 and calibre run | :20:51. | :20:59. | |
thee. So it is a very old gun? Yes, it is a very old gun, more than 100 | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
years old. Jean Robert Consolini, Switzerland's for most gun dealer, | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
worked with the police and army. He sells many Lugers. It may be an old | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
model, but it is an accurate weapon. This pistol is like a Swiss watch. | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
It is very nice, made of steel without screws. You can disassemble | :21:24. | :21:33. | |
it very easy. It is very good. There are 30,000 of these guns in | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
Switzerland alone. You can buy one for about ?1500. You can put seven | :21:38. | :21:47. | |
cartridges in the magazines, just one in the barrel. So eight in | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
total? Eight in total. But this weapon is not what a professional | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
hit man would normally choose. We know 21 rounds were fired from the | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
gun used in the murders, so they must have had... The shooter had to | :22:04. | :22:10. | |
reload two times. And yet we understand it was all done in a | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
matter of 20 or 30 seconds. Yes. It is not easy to do it quickly. So | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
what does that tell you about him? It must be a good shooter. The | :22:22. | :22:30. | |
murder weapon was Swiss, and the Swiss border is just 30 miles from | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
the murder scene. So the authorities in Geneva have been tasked by the | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
French to investigate the gun. TRANSLATION: We were not expecting | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
the weapon in such a crime to be a P06. You find this type of gun in a | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
museum or a private collection. It is a weapon that is recognised by | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
Colette does as being very precise, very reliable. But it would seem the | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
weapon was used by chance. I would imagine because he found it on the | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
black market. So what does the type of gun and the way it was used to | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
tell investigators about the likely killer? TRANSLATION: There were 21 | :23:16. | :23:25. | |
shots. 17 hit targets. The bodywork of the car was untouched. The car | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
was moving all the time and he had to reload as he was firing. So we | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
are obviously dealing with someone highly experienced, a professional, | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
maybe but he could also be a former soldier, a mercenary. We are certain | :23:39. | :23:49. | |
he was the only gunman. The French police have investigated the theory | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
that the gunman was a deranged individual looking for any target. | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
TRANSLATION: The police checked all the databases in Switzerland and | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
France of mentally unstable people, former soldiers who might have been | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
thrown out of the army, people known for violence and for liking guns. | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
But they have not led us to identify a lone gunman. Brett Martin was | :24:12. | :24:24. | |
taken back to the scene a week later to retrace his route and try and | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
reveal more about the gunman. With a skilled marksman on the loose, | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
whoever he was, the police were nervous. I had body armour and a | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
fully armed protection squad, which was slightly disturbing. I was | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
thinking, is there something you are not telling me that I need to know? | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
But on mature reflection, it would not look good if something had | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
happened to me. The French investigators wanted to understand | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
why Brett and others nearby had not heard the gunfire. They stationed | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
police along the route and fired test shots from up at the parking | :25:04. | :25:14. | |
area. They have done trials at a location where they estimate I would | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
have been at the time the shootings took place. Even listening with | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
technical microphones, you could not hear any gunfire at that point. If | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
you are located in an area clear of the river, a much quieter area, you | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
would probably hear the echo through the valley, but the rushing water | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
noise has that masking effect. The killer had picked just the right | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
spot. So was he hired by someone to get rid of the victims? And if so, | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
how did he know they would be in such a place and that day at that | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
time? We have found a witness who suggests that the murders were not | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
carried out by one man acting alone. TRANSLATION: It was a beautiful | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
autumn day. The tourist season had ended, and it was very calm. This | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
witness, a forestry worker, has never spoken publicly before and | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
does not want to be identified for fear of the killer still at large. | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
Just minutes before the shooting, this man was coming down the road | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
when something caught his eye. When I arrived, there was a motorbike | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
pulling into the parking area. I passed the parking spot and the | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
motorbike was on the left here. I remember it well. It was white and | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
black, with panniers on either side, and the rider was all in | :26:40. | :26:46. | |
black. Could you see his face? No, his visor was completely closed and | :26:47. | :26:54. | |
he was all in black. So it seems the forestry worker saw the killer just | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
minutes before the al-Hillis arrived. And for the first time, he | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
has described another vehicle he saw, and the driver. This car was | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
British and driven by someone who seems to have been an accomplice. It | :27:07. | :27:15. | |
was there that I passed him, on this side. He was coming really fast. He | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
arrived on the left and passed really quickly here. The car was a | :27:19. | :27:35. | |
BMW 4x4, grey metallic, in good condition. Clean, it looked pretty | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
new. It was right-hand drive, English. I did not get much of a | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
look at the driver, but he was slightly bald and had dark skin, no | :27:45. | :27:56. | |
glasses. So the Forrester had seen the black-and-white motorbike at the | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
parking spot, and only a couple of minutes later passed the grey BMW | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
racing up the mountains. His account gave the investigators a new lead, | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
and it is backed up by two of his colleagues. Ten minutes later, they | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
drove down the same road. They saw the motorbike above the parking area | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
at Le Martinet, be and which motor vehicles are not allowed to go. They | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
told me they passed the motorbike I had passed at Place Martinet, two | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
bends further up. So they had words with him because motor vehicles are | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
not allowed. So they called out to him and asked him to drive down. | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
They saw his face because he lifted his helmet, so they saw him. He had | :28:39. | :28:46. | |
a bit of a beard. The police have yet to issue this first brief | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
description of the gunman. It seems he was working with an accomplice to | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
do the surveillance. So was this the work of some security agency? The | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
hit man may have been a good marksman, but killing a family, | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
including women, and a cyclist, and shooting a child does not bear the | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
hallmarks of a carefully planned, state sponsors and -- assassination. | :29:11. | :29:19. | |
If you look at assassinations, if the CIA or Mossad want to | :29:20. | :29:21. | |
assassinate someone they usually assassinate them near work or | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
leaving their work. They don't follow them 1000 miles and | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
assassinate them. The whole thing just doesn't make sense. So if it | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
was not an intelligence agency, could it have been a contract | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
killing carried out by someone in the criminal underworld? Either | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
way, the murder spot at Le Martinet was perfectly placed for a quick | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
getaway. As well as the road back down, which it seems the motorbike | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
took, the BMW could have taken one of several forest routes over the | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
mountains. It is only a short distance to Italy and Switzerland. A | :30:01. | :30:08. | |
small car could not make it. The road is too bad. But the guy with | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
the 4x4, he could have. If he had looked at a map, there was a | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
motorway about an hour and a half away that takes you straight to | :30:17. | :30:25. | |
Italy. French police have traced all the vehicles in the area that day | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
except two. They are still looking for the white motorbike and the | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
grave 4x4. Was this British car known to the al-Hilli family? This | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
is the first time here that, OK? Now where did this British cars go? Did | :30:43. | :30:53. | |
it cross borders? Where is it? Do you know anything about this British | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
car? I don't know anything about this British car. The family had | :30:59. | :31:09. | |
been staying on this campsite... Search of the caravan may have | :31:10. | :31:18. | |
produced clues... Investigators soon made a surprising discovery in the | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
campsite where the al-Hillis had been staying, in their caravan. As | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
well as the children's bicycles, there was something else in the | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
caravan that would lead quickly to Britain. In his caravan, Saad | :31:31. | :31:39. | |
al-Hilli had a number of computers, software, hard disks, USB memory | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
sticks, paper documents, in which we found a huge amount of information | :31:46. | :31:47. | |
on every aspect of his life. Today the family house in Claygate | :31:48. | :32:02. | |
is locked up and deserted. But it did hear that investigators have | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
discovered a web of complex family relations. -- it is here. It all | :32:07. | :32:12. | |
centres around property. As well as this house, there were other flats | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
in England and other places abroad. This property portfolio had been put | :32:18. | :32:27. | |
together by card al-Hilli, Saad and Zaid's father who died in 2007. -- | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
Kadhem al-Hilli. He had fled to Britain from Iraq in the 1970s. | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
Investigators have tried to get to the bottom of the family history in | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
Iraq to see if there was a motive here for the murders. Kadhem | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
al-Hilli once had factories and a farm. Afraid of Saddam Hussein's | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
regime, he had sold some businesses that capped a house in Baghdad. | :32:52. | :32:58. | |
After the fall of Saddam Hussein, the area was tense and lawless. The | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
family's old home had been taken over by squatters but the youngest | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
son, Saad, went to try and take it back. It was shortly after the fall | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
of the regime. He didn't feel very safe and it did not go that well. | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
The people who used to occupy the house threatened him and he just | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
came back. Although he had been threatened and beaten up, Saad | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
continued to try and resolve the problem in Iraq. Could the murders | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
have been linked to the dispute over the property here? Shortly before | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
the killing, I asked him what was happening with the house and his | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
answer was very brief and cheerful. He said it had been sorted. Why did | :33:43. | :33:52. | |
know any more, I don't know how it was sorted. -- I don't know any | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
more. We have encountered a problem with regards to Iraq. The situation | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
in the country makes it difficult for investigators to travel there so | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
it is difficult to get precise information. In Spain however, | :34:08. | :34:16. | |
investigators would find more revealing information about the | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
al-Hilli family. Kadhem retired there when his wife died about ten | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
years ago. He bought a small flat in the village of Mijas and his sons | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
would visit him there while he was still alive. Who was a charming | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
gentleman, very dapper, very well-dressed. -- he was. The flat | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
was sold to Kadhem by a British estate agent in the village. He did | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
not speak very much English but he had a twinkle in his eye and he was | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
always charming and polite. I had no idea from what I have read that he | :34:53. | :35:05. | |
had any wealth. He lived very modestly. He was nothing out of the | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
ordinary, just a sweet little old man. To people here, there did not | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
seem to be any problems in the family or between the two brothers. | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
The sons were fine. I knew Zaid better. Why got the impression that | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
he was a bit of a loner, -- I got. Very charming, very sweet. But under | :35:24. | :35:33. | |
the surface, there were tensions over the al-Hilli property in Spain. | :35:34. | :35:41. | |
We know that Saad was troubled by what he discovered his brother Zaid | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
had done about the ownership of the flat in Mijas. We understand that | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
Zaid had tried to put the property in his name alone. When his father | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
objected he changed it to his own and his father's name, that Saad's | :35:58. | :36:05. | |
name was not on the deeds. Zaid agreed to his first television | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
interview, saying he wanted to set the record straight. It was Saad's | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
name on those steeds? No, because he was not with us. Why not if he was | :36:15. | :36:23. | |
stood to inherit at some point? I don't know that. Ask my father. He | :36:24. | :36:30. | |
is not here, unfortunately. The house in Claygate was left to Saad | :36:31. | :36:41. | |
and Zaid after their father died. Zaid continued to live there even | :36:42. | :36:50. | |
after Saad married. There were no tensions? No. It was a very good | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
brotherly relationship. No attention at all. But we understand that their | :36:57. | :37:06. | |
relationship had begun to turn sour. The year before the killings, Kadhem | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
came here to Claygate to visit. We have learned that his father made | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
Saad worried when he told him that Zaid had got him to sign a blank | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
world. Saad found the will in the house. This was December 2011. Saad | :37:22. | :37:29. | |
told his friend James Mathews about the will in an extraordinary online | :37:30. | :37:36. | |
exchange. What does he say? He did not tell me about the will. Saad | :37:37. | :37:43. | |
used the word fraud. Saad thought his brother was trying to exclude | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
him from the inheritance. He thought that Will was fraudulent? Yes, that | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
was his opinion. When my father came here last year he asked me where is | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
the paper that I signed and I did not know what my dad was talking | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
about. So Zaid had made him sign a blank paper. Saad said that to you? | :38:05. | :38:13. | |
That is what he typed. His words. He says, in the end we found it and I | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
was not mentioned. We understand that Saad challenged Zaid who then | :38:20. | :38:28. | |
produced a different world. -- a different will. We found two draft | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
wills, one in which the older brother was left all of the | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
father's assets, and one where they were divided equally between the | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
sons. So that is when we realised there was a problem between the | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
brothers. Zaid claimed they had always got on well. The French | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
investigators believe that at the heart of this is the disputed | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
inheritance between you and your brother. Did you help your father | :38:55. | :39:01. | |
make the will and what was in it? I think this would not be appropriate | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
for legal reasons to talk about. We know your brother was talking about | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
this online with a friend. He talked about it being fraud against him and | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
he was not mentioned in the world. He felt that you were to blame. | :39:15. | :39:22. | |
Again, I go back to the same point. For legal reasons, it would not be | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
appropriate. They'd al-Hilli had warned us that he could not talk | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
about certain matters as the British police are investigating him over | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
possible fraud. After finding the will, Saad began to investigate | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
every aspect of the family properties and the brothers' | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
inheritance. Relations quickly deteriorated and things came to a | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
head later that year after their father died. Did he talk about rows | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
that he had had with his brother? No. It was very much silence. They | :39:59. | :40:22. | |
ended up communicating by lawyer. He was writing to his lawyer, who was | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
writing to his brother, which I thought was a shame. I had hoped | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
that blood was thicker than money. I have not spoken to Saad since | :40:29. | :40:30. | |
October 2011. So there were problems between you? Differences? Yes, | :40:31. | :40:32. | |
tensions. Every family has disagreements, but we must not | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
exaggerate them. If you involve a solicitor, what does that mean? | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
Something bad? On the contrary. I think we did the right thing to | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
involve a solicitor, to have somebody who would do everything | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
professionally. The French investigators have told us that the | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
lawyer could be a key witness. Though Zaid was still living there, | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
by October 2011 there was open conflict in the Claygate house. We | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
have discovered that the police were even called one night. I wanted | :41:07. | :41:15. | |
something from him and he would not give me a copy, or return my copy, | :41:16. | :41:23. | |
rather. It was not really... It was more of a heated discussion. It must | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
have been quite heated if the police were called. Well, he calls them. I | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
don't know why he had to call them and they were not interested. The | :41:35. | :41:43. | |
following month, Zaid moved out into another flat that his brother and | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
father had partly financed in nearby Chessington. This one, Saad | :41:47. | :41:54. | |
discovered, had been registered in Zaid's name alone. Well, it is a | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
combination of people. Saad had to share and my father gave me the | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
money towards the flat and I had my money in it as well. But Saad's name | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
was not on the deeds of the flat? Yes, he never wanted his name to be | :42:14. | :42:20. | |
on the deeds of the flat. Saad was getting angry, as he made clear in | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
his online messages. I have been gathering information on my brother | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
and I am shocked. Can he really be my brother? We also know that one | :42:30. | :42:36. | |
month after his brother left Claygate, Saad changed the locks on | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
the house and he installed security cameras. He also had a Taser, an | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
electric stun gun. Saad now thought that Zaid wanted half the value of | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
the Claygate house, ?400,000, and he was worried he would have to sell | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
the family home. He was talking about the house. He said all the | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
work and earnings had gone into it and I knew how hard he had worked. | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
And he said he would pay for none of it. Zaid? Yes. I said to be there in | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
court to tell them when I need you because I think that is where it | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
will end up, in court. So he was asking you to be a witness for him | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
if necessary, if it came to a showdown with the brother? This is | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
why I have given the logs to the police. He thinks I should give him | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
the house. Everything emanates from that. I have never really wanted the | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
Claygate house. I knew that Saad liked it, he loved it and wanted to | :43:41. | :44:06. | |
stay there. I would not dream of asking him to get a mortgage just on | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
my account. He obviously felt under enormous pressure from you, pressure | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
over money and half of the house. I did not bring up the problem... | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
Anything about the house. The police then made a fresh discovery in | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
Switzerland. Their father had money here in a private bank account, too. | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
There would be another twist in this complicated tale. We discovered that | :44:21. | :44:32. | |
Kadhem, Zaid and Saad's father, set up an account in this Geneva bank in | :44:33. | :44:42. | |
1988, depositing ?690,000. He hardly touched it after that. So a year | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
before Kadhem died, the bank was surprised to get a request from | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
England, not Spain where he was living. A request for a credit card | :44:51. | :45:00. | |
to take money from his account. It was a bank employee who saw this | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
strange request and noticed that the signature was peculiar. He rang the | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
father who said that he did not want a credit card, cancel it. And we | :45:07. | :45:13. | |
found out afterwards that it was Zaid trying to falsify his father's | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
signature to obtain two credit cards. So it was fraud by Zaid? Yes, | :45:19. | :45:26. | |
it was clearly a fraudulent attempt. Did you try to get a credit card in | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
your father's name to withdraw money from that account? Again it would | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
not be appropriate for me to discuss that for legal reasons, as you | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
understand. With the money in Switzerland and the properties, | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
investigators believe the al-Hilli assets were worth over ?2 million. | :45:45. | :45:52. | |
TRANSLATION: The investigators have become convinced that Zaid tried to | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
steal from his father, one way or another, and that there was a very | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
serious feud between the two brothers, so serious that Saad | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
al-Hilli was afraid of his brother. As you know, he had changed the | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
locks at the house and fitted a new alarm. The French investigators are | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
convinced that you had a motive for killing your brother and his family. | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
A lot of money was basically at stake, perhaps ?2 million or more. | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
This is a complete to live by the French investigators. The French | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
investigators have used Saad and I to divert attention from the origins | :46:33. | :46:41. | |
of this crime. By the end of August last year, Saad had had enough of | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
the legal wrangling. The family went off to the Alps, taking the records | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
of the disputed inheritance with them. Saad had taken out a legal | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
block on his father's will and registered his interest in the | :46:57. | :46:58. | |
Chessington flat to stop his brother selling it. When the family reached | :46:59. | :47:07. | |
the Alps, Saad plant to go to the bank in nearby Geneva. Investigators | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
say each brother had told the Swiss bank not to release any money to the | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
other. He called the bank on Monday afternoon to say, I am going to pop | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
round to the bank, and he was dead on Wednesday. What does that tell | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
you? It is disturbing. You can't draw any conclusions today, but it | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
is just the thing. There is a closeness about the dates that is | :47:35. | :47:46. | |
disturbing. Within those two days, the killer struck not just at Saad, | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
but his wife, mother-in-law and children, too. | :47:53. | :48:00. | |
Did you kill your brother? Of course not. Did you arrange for anyone else | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
to kill the family, your brother and relatives? No. The people who killed | :48:06. | :48:12. | |
my brother are the French. So you are saying it is because the French | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
cyclist was the target that your brother was caught up in this? Yes. | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
We are dealing with probably very powerful people, powerful local | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
people. They know each other. They are in each other's pockets. That is | :48:27. | :48:33. | |
what we need to find out. You seem to be saying that the French don't | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
want to find a French cup it? Yes. -- a French culprit. They focused | :48:39. | :48:44. | |
the attention onto us. I have to be blunt. It has a racist background to | :48:45. | :48:53. | |
it. Our background is Middle Eastern, Arab, Muslim, and that is | :48:54. | :48:59. | |
very convenient. Why did you shut down that line of enquiry? People in | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
Britain, particularly in the al-Hilli family, believed the | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
cyclist is the key to this murder. TRANSLATION: I can't prevent anyone | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
interested in this story from having an opinion. The police have | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
investigated First Minister's family as far as they could. There is | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
nothing to link Mollier's family to this murder. The police are | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
convinced of it. People can think anything they like. | :49:29. | :49:39. | |
From the start, the French investigators wanted Zaid-al-Hilli | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
to come to Annecy. But he has refused to be interviewed in France. | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
Why did you not agree to go to France and be questioned there? I | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
don't trust the French. I do not trust the investigators. Remember, | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
Saad was killed, and his wife and her mother and Sylvain Mollier, in | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
that region. I am not going to risk it. You would be worried about your | :50:10. | :50:17. | |
end safety? Yes. Why? Anything can happen. | :50:18. | :50:25. | |
But even before the funerals were held back home, Zaid-al-Hilli went | :50:26. | :50:27. | |
voluntarily to the police in Surrey. He would tell them he was in England | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
with a friend at the time of the murders, and that he and his brother | :50:32. | :50:39. | |
got on fine. I said to them that there were not any trouble is | :50:40. | :50:46. | |
between us. From the way I look at it, I do not have any issues with | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
Saad. But that is not strictly true, because there are serious issues or | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
were serious issues between you. Not really, no. Saad had issues, but I | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
did not have issues. TRANSLATION: We know that when Zaid says he got on | :51:05. | :51:12. | |
with his brother, he is lying. I was not lying. That was how I looked at | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
it. I didn't raise any issues with Saad about anything. | :51:18. | :51:32. | |
In June this year, Zaid's flat in Chessington was searched. He was | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder and later bailed. He has | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
never been charged. But the brothers' falling out over the | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
alleged fraud involving the will and the Swiss bank account had been | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
discovered soon after the murders, nine months earlier. So why the | :51:50. | :51:56. | |
delay? TRANSLATION: We, the Swiss authorities, immediately passed on | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
these documents. After that, I don't know what happened. When we met up | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
in May with the British authorities, I passed the documents on again. So | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
why didn't the British police act sooner? I have no idea. That is | :52:08. | :52:14. | |
their choice. Why did it take so long to arrest Zaid-al-Hilli and | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
search his home nine months from the start the investigation? It is | :52:20. | :52:25. | |
difficult, even impossible to answer that question. You would have to ask | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
the British investigators, because that is one of the problems with an | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
international investigation. French law is different from British law, | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
so the way of conducting an investigation is different. Surrey | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
and Sussex police told us that as this is an ongoing investigation, | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
they cannot comment on operational matters. They say they continue to | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
work closely with the French. Are you worried that evidence has | :52:54. | :52:59. | |
been lost - phone records, financial records that Zaid had, because of | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
this delay? Yes, it is a possibility, obviously. But every | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
country feels that its own way of doing things is the right one. | :53:11. | :53:19. | |
A year after the al-Hillis made that fateful journey, there is still no | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
evidence of who the gunman and his accomplices were. A possible link to | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
Romania has been discounted. There is no DNA, no increment dating phone | :53:29. | :53:37. | |
calls. Do you have any information about | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
the possible hit man, any leads as to who that person was? No. | :53:42. | :53:50. | |
Absolutely nothing. It is just someone who was a highly experienced | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
gunman with a very cool head, who could kill several people in cold | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
blood, who could even consider killing a little girl with no | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
problem. So we have got a psychological profile. | :54:04. | :54:06. | |
Unfortunately, we have no precise information about the killer. The | :54:07. | :54:14. | |
French investigators say they will solve the mystery of the murders in | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
the Alps, however long it takes. They have enough to keep 40 | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
detectives busy for another year at least, tracking thousands of phone | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
calls made in the area and hundreds of e-mails. But so far, they only | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
have one suspect. So Zaid-al-Hilli is your number one suspect? | :54:34. | :54:40. | |
TRANSLATION: I have always refused to refer to him as our number one | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
suspect. But he is indeed the only person we know that we have | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
identified to whom we can put a face and who has a motive for the murder. | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
But what is certain, whether it is in France or Britain, if he was | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
judged in court tomorrow, he would be acquitted both here and in | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
Britain. He has a motive, but the fact that he has a motive does not | :55:04. | :55:10. | |
make him the killer. You were the only one with a motive for killing | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
your brother that has been established so far, and the | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
suspicion rests on you. What is the motive? Prove it, I said to them. | :55:18. | :55:29. | |
And they are wrong, because they are covering up. They are covering up | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
for someone in France in that region, and they know it. That is | :55:35. | :55:41. | |
why I offered to do a polygraph test. A lie detector test? Yes. The | :55:42. | :55:49. | |
French are not interested in a polygraph. Zaid-al-Hilli also wants | :55:50. | :55:55. | |
a judicial enquiry, and says he will put up a reward for information | :55:56. | :56:02. | |
leading to the killers. Brett Martin, the man who discovered | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
the murders, still rides his bike up the mountain road to Le Martinet. I | :56:07. | :56:14. | |
have intentionally gone back there so that it now is a normal thing to | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
do to ride up that road without fear of what went on in the past, because | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
I think you can't live your life in permanent fear of what might be in | :56:23. | :56:34. | |
the shadows. Saad's friends fear that whoever is behind the murders | :56:35. | :56:42. | |
may never be held accountable. I hope the people responsible will be | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
caught and brought to justice, but it does not seem as if we know | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
enough to even get near them. You think they will ever solve this | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
crime? I would hope so, but I don't hold much hope. Without DNA | :56:58. | :57:03. | |
evidence, I don't think there is any way of solving it. The two little | :57:04. | :57:13. | |
girls who survived the killings in the Alps spent months under the | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
protection of social services. Zainab and Xena have now been | :57:19. | :57:20. | |
allowed to live with one of their mother's relatives, but have not | :57:21. | :57:27. | |
seen their uncle. Life will be difficult for them, wanted? Yes, of | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
course. It is a tragedy for the whole family. They are flesh and | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
blood. They are my nieces, and I lived with them, I know them. I | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
bought them presents. We used to read together, play together. The | :57:43. | :57:50. | |
Zaid-al-Hilli, whose brother was murdered, and whose reputation has | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
been damaged, the last year has been very painful. This does not leave me | :57:54. | :58:00. | |
for a minute. It is with me 24/7, every minute of the day. And you are | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
dealing with lots of emotions, emotions of bereavement, anger, | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
emotions of being let down by a system. The horror of what happened | :58:14. | :58:21. | |
in the Alps is still all too real for everyone involved. The relatives | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
of Sylvain Mollier. For the girls whose parents and grandmother were | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
Ruta Lee murdered. And for the brother who is still under | :58:31. | :58:31. | |
suspicion. | :58:32. | :58:37. |