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Ahead of two major inquiries into Jimmy Savile's abuse, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
Panorama reveals the extent | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
of the BBC star's links to the British Establishment. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
He'd swan in, a bit like a prince himself, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
and do the sort of...the royal wave. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Prince to Prime Minister, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
he exploited friendships in high places to give himself cover. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
Thank you for everything you do for every good cause. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
If he duped a whole lot of people, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
OK, you can add Margaret to the list of people who got duped. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Rare footage shows Savile was even calling the shots at Broadmoor. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:34 | |
So, there's many people say, "How come a showbiz punter | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
"is doing a job like this at the world's number-one mental hospital?" | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
And confidential documents reveal just how he abused his power there. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
That sounds like blackmail. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
That sounds like blackmail to me as well. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
With new allegations of abuse at Broadmoor, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
how were so many clues missed at some of Britain's best-known institutions? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
Even the bosses would laugh. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
We all knew. We knew! | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Now, fresh evidence suggests the BBC failed to act | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
on advice that might have stopped some of Savile's abuse. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
They went there for the experience of their lives, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
and they came away scarred for life. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Tonight: How Jimmy Savile had the power to abuse for so long. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
Yes, indeedy! Yes, indeedy. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
It's been 18 months since Jimmy Savile was first unmasked | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
as a predatory paedophile. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
He's not what you think, you know? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
And still the question remains - how was he able to use some | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
of Britain's biggest institutions as cover for his child abuse? | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
Whether they were in a children's home, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
whether they were in a hospital or whether they were going to the BBC, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
they all deserved protection from the organisation that they were at, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
and they didn't get it. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
The institution that earned Savile the trust of the nation was the BBC. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
And the celebrity status nurtured there helped him open doors | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
and escape justice his whole life. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
How important were the celebrities? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
Oh, they were the bee's knees. I mean, that's why you were there, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
it was... Everything was about the star of the show. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
Marion Horton-Smith was a receptionist | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
at the BBC's Lime Grove studios in the early '70s. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
They were different times, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
and she says some stars behaved as they pleased. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
When you're young and a bit naive | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
and somebody famous says something possibly near the edge... | 0:02:41 | 0:02:47 | |
You laughed it off, because that was... | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
In a way, you found it flattering, whether that's wrong or right. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
One night at reception, Marion plucked up the courage | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
to ask Jimmy Savile for a request on his radio show. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
He invited her outside to his caravan to record it. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
I got up to go and he said, "Does it deserve a kiss, then?" | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
And I went to give him a kiss on the cheek | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
and suddenly I was pushed back on the bed, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
and he was on top of me and from somewhere he put a light out. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
He was very strong. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
I mean, he pinned me down, but he was slobbering up and down my neck. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:33 | |
The attack was interrupted by a knock at the door. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
It was another BBC employee bringing a teenage girl to see Savile. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
My goodness, if we hadn't been disturbed... | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
I mean, there's no way if he had taken things further | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
I would have fought him. No way. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Marion blamed herself, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:50 | |
and has never talked publicly about what happened until now. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
If you'd told somebody, they'd have probably just told you to just, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
"Keep quiet, dear." You know, that's what happens in television. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
It happened as Jimmy Savile was becoming | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
one of the BBC's biggest stars. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
By 1975, when Jim'll Fix It starts and starts getting ratings | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
that, on occasions are even outstripping Coronation Street, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
suddenly there's this sort of golden-goose aura | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
that develops around him. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
We now know this was the peak of Savile's offending. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
There have been dozens of reports of abuse by him on BBC premises. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
This woman was 14 when she met Savile | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
following a BBC talent audition. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
She doesn't want to be identified. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
She's never spoken publicly about how he groomed her | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
in his Top Of The Pops dressing room. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
He would speak to you and put his arm around you | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
and give you a cuddle, and then he would say, "Come and sit on my lap." | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
And you would sit on his lap and... | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
And he had an erection. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
It was vile. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
You feel disgusted with yourself. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
How would he get you to keep coming back? | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Every time he did a bad thing, he would do a good thing. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
You know - "I promise I'm going to get you an agent, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
"and they're going to get you paying gigs." | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Boo! Very nervous, she is, when I go "Boo". | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
Around the time Savile began grooming the girl, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
the BBC had to investigate allegations | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
of a sex scandal on its premises. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
The author of an internal inquiry in 1972 raised concerns | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
about the supervision of young people at Television Centre. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
Sir Brian Neill found that there was uncertainty | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
about who was ultimately responsible | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
for all the teenage girls coming to see Top Of The Pops. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
And his recommendation was that there should be clear guidance | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
as to who's to be ultimately responsible | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
for the behaviour and control of these audiences. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
But how seriously was that advice taken? | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
We've seen a memo written in August 1972 | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
by the BBC's Controller of Television Administration, who said... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
But for three years after that, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
this woman went unchaperoned to Savile's dressing room, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
where she says she was molested many times. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
I don't remember there being any supervision at all. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
So when you went to Jimmy Savile's dressing room, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
was there another adult accompanying you? | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
No, only Jimmy himself. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
He would always just say, "When the show's over, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
"just wait over there by that door there on the set, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
"and I'll come and get you." | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
We've been told Savile abused at least five young people | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
in BBC dressing rooms | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
after the advice to improve supervision of audiences. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Here we have youngsters who were visiting the BBC | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
for maybe one day, going to a recording of Top Of The Pops | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
or appearing on Jim'll Fix It - they were absolutely starstruck. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
They wouldn't have known anyone at the BBC to report it to. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
They went there for the experience of their lives | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
and they came away scarred for life. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
The BBC says it's... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
It's unable to give a commentary on 40-year-old documents, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
but is fully co-operating with the ongoing inquiry into the BBC. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
Does anybody fancy riding a thousand miles with me? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Savile's offending went far beyond the BBC. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
New research for Panorama by children's charity the NSPCC | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
shows it also happened in hospitals and children's homes. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
There have now been 500 reports of his abuse, across six decades. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
The most common age group for victims was 13 to 15, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
the youngest alleged victim was two. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
There's no doubt that Savile is one of the most, if not THE most, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
prolific sex offender that we at the NSPCC have ever come across. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
What you have is somebody who, at his most prolific, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
lost no opportunity to identify vulnerable victims and abuse them. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:07 | |
Jimmy Savile's fame gave him | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
extraordinary access to many well-known institutions. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
Nowhere more surprising than here, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
at Britain's top-security psychiatric hospital, Broadmoor. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
This film was shot at the hospital by the BBC 25 years ago. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:28 | |
It's never been shown since. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
To get access to film, the BBC had to negotiate with its own star, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
who had, incredibly, just been given a top job | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
at Broadmoor by the Government. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
So, there's many people say, "How come a showbiz punter | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
"is doing a job like this at the world's number-one mental hospital?" | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
And what they don't know is that I've been here 20 years already. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
The footage reveals that Savile certainly considered himself | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
in charge at Broadmoor. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
If you want to win any popularity awards, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
you don't take the job as the boss here. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
So, how had the BBC entertainer | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
become so embedded with the British Establishment | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
that for a few months he was entrusted | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
with a senior role at a high-security hospital? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
The story starts in the late '60s, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
when Savile was invited into Broadmoor by a hospital charity | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
to organise entertainment for staff and patients. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
Savile got his own set of keys, and even had a house on the grounds. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
In 1971, he was able to bring the girl from the BBC audition | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
into the hospital to sing for patients. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
It's where he first molested her. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
What do you think of the fact that Jimmy Savile was allowed | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
to bring a 14-year-old into Broadmoor? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
I think really it was awful. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
The authorities should have said, "No, she's only 14. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
"She's too young to come in here and see this place." | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
It was the scariest experience, I think, of my life. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Broadmoor had a violent reputation. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Chandra Ghosh worked there in the late '80s. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
Back then, it was notorious for treating | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
its mentally ill patients like prisoners. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
It felt like the Government's asylum. It literally did. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
You had women with long, blonde hair covering their faces | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
sitting there rocking... | 0:10:25 | 0:10:26 | |
The wards were Victorian, very old. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
It was a very dark place. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
By the late '80s, Broadmoor was a hospital in crisis. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
So the Government set up a task force, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
and at its head they put the TV celebrity | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
with a reputation for sorting things out. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
The staff felt as though they had a DJ that was telling them what to do. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
Keith Palmer and Neville Sandiford were nurses at Broadmoor at the time. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
They could barely believe the role the Government had given him. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
Savile was actually in charge of the hospital? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
In charge of Broadmoor - lock, stock and barrel. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
Morning. How are you? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
And the charges and the doctors were dead against it. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
But Jimmy Savile was Jimmy Savile. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
He could do anything. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
Whoever gave him that permission, with the keys | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
and then the task force, had to be a lunatic. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
They had plenty of people to choose from. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
The man was only a celebrity. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Now, this is where money is thrown away in building. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
There was a £17 million bill to start with, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
we spent £32 million on top of that... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Peter Jeffreys was a regular inspector of Broadmoor | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
in that period. He was concerned about the way patients were treated. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
At the time I thought, "How on earth can Jimmy Savile sort out | 0:11:43 | 0:11:49 | |
"the serious accountability and management problems at Broadmoor?" | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
My understanding was he was allowed a free pass to go in and go out | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
whenever he wanted, to see individual patients of his choosing | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
when he wished to... That is quite extraordinary. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Edwina Currie was Health Minister and briefly responsible for Broadmoor | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
when Savile was appointed to the task force. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
She says there was no reason then | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
to think his access to the hospital was odd. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
My feeling is that it's not shocking that he had keys | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
or that he had access and was in and out on a regular basis. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
Really? | 0:12:23 | 0:12:24 | |
Because he proved himself to be very useful at Broadmoor, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
in the sense that when we asked his help in trying to improve matters, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
he went above and beyond what anyone had suggested he might do. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Have you got everything that you need here? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
We've obtained confidential Government documents from the time, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
that suggest Savile's appointment to the task force | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
was pushed by a senior civil servant. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
They also reveal that officials seemed starstruck | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
by the BBC celebrity. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
This is a confidential memo for the personal attention of Mrs Currie | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
from a senior civil servant. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
And throughout the document, it refers to "Dr Savile". | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
The document says that, "Dr Savile | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
"is going through each of the main departments like a dose of salts." | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
And it even lists ten points | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
that Dr Savile would like to see for further action at Broadmoor. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
Jimmy Savile was no medical doctor. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
He had an honorary doctorate in law. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
We showed the documents to the former nurses. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Well, it says here, "Dr Savile promised he could improve Broadmoor | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
"beyond recognition within eight weeks, if he got the go-ahead." | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
What do you think of that? | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
-Did you just say, "Dr Savile"? -THEY LAUGH | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
That's what it says. That's what they're calling him. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Does that surprise you, that the Department of Health | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
-would call him "Dr Savile"? -Yes. Yes. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Well, that is awful. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
It makes him out to be a doctor, in psychiatry. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
Nurses in Broadmoor were at the time represented | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
by the Prison Officers' Association. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
You look to me like a prison officer rather than a nurse. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Yes, it was basically a prison. We're jailers. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
The Government wanted Broadmoor run more like a hospital. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
When Savile took over, the union had just voted for an overtime ban. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
And here, the story gets even stranger. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
The confidential memos reveal that Savile told another civil servant | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
he could deal with the unions, and quickly transform Broadmoor. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:33 | |
The civil servant offers her own view of Jimmy Savile. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
She says, "I doubt he'll let anyone stand in his way, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
"and he clearly doesn't mind how many people get trampled | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
"underfoot in the process." | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
Savile told the Health Minister his unorthodox plans | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
to break the overtime ban. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
He said he'd discovered some nurses were sub-letting staff houses | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
and fiddling their overtime claims. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
He made it quite clear, he told me, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
that he would use that against the staff if they misbehaved | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
and didn't call off the overtime ban. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
-That sounds like blackmail. -That sounds like blackmail to me as well. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
And if it sounded like blackmail to you at the time | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
did you not think to say, "Hang on a minute, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
"you can't run a top-security psychiatric hospital like that"? | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
I made a note of it at the time, because I was so surprised. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
It was the 1980s. Some unions were at war | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
with the Conservative Government. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
Back then, it seems, the DJ's plan wasn't so strange. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
If this meant that we broke the strike and could help the patients, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:39 | |
then we had an issue of ends justifying means. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Within a month of Savile at the helm, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
the overtime ban was called off. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
The documents reveal just how influential he was at Broadmoor. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
He drew up a list of dismissible offences for staff, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
and was even given a say in hiring and firing. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
The memo talks about the need to appoint | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
a new general manager to Broadmoor. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
And it says, "Dr Savile may wish to press | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
"for Mr Franey in this position." | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
Alan Franey was an administrator at Leeds General Infirmary, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
where Savile volunteered as a porter. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
They became lifelong friends. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Soon after the memo was written, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
Alan Franey was appointed General Manager of Broadmoor. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
We are a special hospital, very special, providing | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
a very special service to some of society's most disordered offenders. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
Alan Franey didn't want to be interviewed, but told us | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
he was first seconded to Broadmoor by his employer, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
then applied in an open competition for the role of General Manager. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
Whether through blackmail or charitable works, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
the manipulative celebrity had a habit of getting his own way. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
He let slip to Trevor Smith that he had his sights set on one thing. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
I ask him, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
"Why do you want to be in a place like this, with all your money?" | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
And his words to me, and I quote - | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
"When I obtain a knighthood, I will then stop." | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
"Because", he said, "I want a pit boy - which I was - | 0:17:14 | 0:17:20 | |
"to end up with a knighthood." He said, "Look how that would look." | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
And I've been friends with the last four, five Prime Ministers, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
and I think they like a change from 365 days' total politics. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:34 | |
In his quest for a knighthood, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
Savile made lots of friends in high places. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
The former pit boy lunched with Margaret Thatcher at Number 10, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
and took tea at Chequers. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
-(You can knock on the door.) -KNOCKING | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
This is their first TV encounter - Jim'll Fix It in 1977. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Hello, welcome. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
I thought you were going to fix my getting into Number 10? | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
I've already done so. But I wanted to see you privately about that. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
The relationship began because of advice from political advisors. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
"You've got to reach out to ordinary people, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
"to people who watch Jim'll Fix It and Coronation Street." | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
For Savile, the friendship was yet another cloak to hide behind. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
Can I just point something out to you? Do you see what this says? | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
Hello, my dear Jimmy... | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
'He used to boast, didn't he, that he had connections in Number 10.' | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
-He said that to staff here? -Yeah. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
Yes, "I'm well-known at Number 10," and this sort of thing. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
He would go over for tea with Margaret. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
Savile bragged he'd spent 11 Christmases with Margaret Thatcher. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
That's disputed by her close friend. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Well, if he did, he must have been hiding in a cupboard, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
because I spent every Christmas Day at Chequers when Margaret | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
was Prime Minister and I never saw him there once. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
From early on, power mattered to Savile. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
Dan Davies interviewed him in his later years. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
Savile told him about befriending powerful people back in Leeds. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
I think it was insurance, really, for himself. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
He had a reputation in the dance hall days for being | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
somebody who was heavy-handed and dealt with troublemakers, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
you know, in a fairly physical fashion. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
In 1983, Savile told The Sun about his violent past | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
and sexual exploits. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
Honours Committee papers from the time show the expose nearly | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
scuppered his chances of a knighthood. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
But the Prime Minister, impressed by the millions he'd | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
raised for Stoke Mandeville Hospital, kept putting his name forward. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
That's lovely, Jim. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:46 | |
And can I thank you for everything you do for every good cause? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
In 1990, Savile finally got his wish and became "Sir Jimmy". | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
It's mine, I'm telling you! It's mine! Tell them it's mine! | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
If he duped a whole lot of people, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
OK, you can add Margaret to the list of people who got duped. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
Savile's connections went to the very top | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
of the British Establishment. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:06 | |
For a time in the '80s, through charity work, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
he became friendly with Prince Charles. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
He'd swan in, a bit like a prince himself, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
and do the sort of...the royal wave. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
And then sort of make his way up to the office without any | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
accompaniment by a member of the household, and then disappear again. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
When Charles and Diana's marriage was in crisis, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
the BBC star even offered to help. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
I think the general belief was that because he was a celebrity, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
because everybody sort of thought that he was the bee's knees, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
that he could do something to sort out the marriage | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
between the Prince of Wales and the late Diana, Princess of Wales, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
a sort of Jim'll Fix It type of thing. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
But there's no way it could have happened | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
because Diana wouldn't have had anything to do with him. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
A spokesman for Prince Charles said... | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
On the few occasions Jimmy Savile visited St James's Palace... | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
We've been told the Prince called a meeting at his home | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
in Highgrove in the late '80s, about the closure | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
of emergency services at his local hospital at Tetbury. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
Senior health officials were apparently gobsmacked | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
to find Jimmy Savile there. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
In private, the DJ resorted to bully-boy tactics. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
A manager with the Health Authority at the time told us | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
he understood that after Charles left, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Savile said the Prince wasn't happy, and even suggested | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
the Chairman wouldn't get a knighthood | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
if the downgrading of services at the hospital went ahead. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
The Prince's spokesman said... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
..after the Prince left the room. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
And there's nothing like the kiss of life from a real lady | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
for to make you feel better again. Mwah! | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
And one from a young lady. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
At St James's Palace, Savile's trademark greeting to women | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
raised eyebrows. But, even here, nothing was done about it. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
He'd walk in and sort of go up to each one of the female employees | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
and take their hand. His bottom lip would curl out | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
and he'd run his bottom lip up their arm. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
They sort of giggled at it, not wanting to complain about it. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
When I do that, ladies and gentlemen, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
I can clock the diamonds at the same time. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
-Did anyone object? -They didn't show any signs of objecting. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
I suppose the feeling was that | 0:22:37 | 0:22:38 | |
if anybody complained, it would get back to the Prince of Wales. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
I remember saying to him that I thought he was a dirty old man. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
And he looked at me and said, "Not so much of the old." | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Oh! As it happens! | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
The Prince's spokesman said... | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
At the Department of Health, one official put in writing | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
her own personal experience of Jimmy Savile in a memo. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
The female civil servant signs off at the end, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
"You might have warned me of his penchant | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
"for kissing ladies full on the mouth." | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
And, at Broadmoor, staff saw for themselves the way Savile | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
behaved with young girls. But again, nothing was done. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
At a hospital charity day, he was exchanging autographs for kisses. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:29 | |
He kissed these girls, who were about 13, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
smack-bang on the lips, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
held his hand behind their neck to pull them forward. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
And he virtually was giving them French kisses. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
Now, the girl who I saw the most passionate kiss, was my niece. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:47 | |
-Did you say anything to him about it? -No, I walked off, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
because, you know, the girls were queuing up for him. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Even the bosses would laugh. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
We all knew. We knew! | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
We've discovered serious allegations about Savile's behaviour | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
with patients at Broadmoor. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
It suggests that Savile used his access at Broadmoor | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
to sexually abuse damaged and vulnerable women. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
And some of them did try to complain at the time. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
When Naomi Stanley was a nurse at a psychiatric hospital | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
in Cambridge, a woman was transferred there from Broadmoor. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
The patient said that she and others | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
had been sexually assaulted by Savile. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I believed her absolutely. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
The way she looked, everything about the way she came across, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
she was traumatised, she was angry, she was incredibly upset. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:43 | |
Naomi says she told a manager | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
and two local police officers during a routine meeting at the hospital. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
The nursing officer became quite angry with me, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
and took me out of the room, gave me a verbal warning and said | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
I would probably be sacked if I ever said anything like that again. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
Cambridgeshire and Peterborough NHS Trust said | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
it couldn't comment because... | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
Cambridgeshire Police said they've found nothing on record about it. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
We've been told by a former patient that other complaints | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
were made about Savile from inside Broadmoor 20 years ago. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
A member of the Patients' Council at the time has told Panorama | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
that three women wrote to him in the mid-'90s | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
detailing serious complaints of sexual abuse by Savile. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
He says he forwarded the complaints to Alan Franey, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
then Chief Executive of the hospital. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
But, in the end, still nothing was done. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
Alan Franey, who was recommended to Broadmoor by Savile, told Panorama... | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
He said no issues about Savile were raised | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
at regular staff and patient meetings. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
West London Mental Health NHS Trust, which now runs Broadmoor, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
expressed sympathy for his victims but says it can't comment | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
while its joint investigation with the Department of Health is ongoing. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
We've learned that the police have now received | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
at least 16 reports of abuse at Broadmoor. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Chandra Ghosh understands why few patients | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
complained during Savile's lifetime. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
These were people that nobody believed. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
So if they had in fact turned round and said that he had abused them | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
or raped them, nobody would have believed them. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
You know, this was Mr Savile, you know, Jim'll Fix It. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
Edwina Currie was responsible for Broadmoor for just four months. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
She approved the decision to make Savile head of the task force. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
Do you have any regrets about | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
playing a role in increasing his influence at Broadmoor? | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
It's a source of huge regret - | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
to me, to everybody that was ever involved with Savile. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
During the time that I was responsible | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
we did not have a single complaint. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
Had we known, we'd have stopped him, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
and it would have been very easy to stop him. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
I'd have just said to him, "Jimmy - the keys." | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
That decision for him to lead the task force | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
was not just a wrong decision, it was a bad decision | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
and a dangerous decision, because it gave authority | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
to a man who not only wasn't competent, but also was dangerous, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
and manipulative and abusive. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
The Department of Health | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
and the BBC will soon publish the results of their inquiries. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
The hope is they'll shed more light on how Savile fooled | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
so many at the highest level. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
A lot of people who I have the highest regard for | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
spoke highly of him at the time - | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
and do I question their judgment? No, human beings make mistakes. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
There were so many mistakes, so many missed opportunities. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
I think it is a very revealing story about the nation at large | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
because he cultivated this sense of oddness, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
he was proud of standing apart - | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
but there was no desire or appetite for finding anything beneath that. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
Jimmy Savile hid in plain sight his whole life. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
And hundreds of victims have been denied the chance | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
to see Britain's most notorious sex offender brought to justice. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
And on Wednesday at 10:35: | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
In the shadow of the World Cup stadiums. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Panorama explores Brazil's dark side. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
A world of poverty, drugs, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
and children forced into prostitution. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 |