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Got a court case looming? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Need an expert witness who'll help you hide the truth, for money? | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
I have, yes. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
We hire a handwriting expert prepared to turn a blind eye | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
to unhelpful evidence. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
Caught on camera? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
We ask a CCTV expert for help. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
We meet the animal expert who advises us to lie. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
If expert evidence can't be relied on in court, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
where does that leave justice? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
The breaches of duty are, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
had they been carried through into the court process, very serious. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
Tonight on Panorama, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
we ask - is justice for sale? | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
POLICE SIRENS ECHO | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Expert witnesses are a vital part of our legal system. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
From fingerprints to voice identification, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
medical matters to CCTV, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
there are thousands of experts being paid to give evidence in court | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
and yet, as an industry, they are almost entirely unregulated. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
Some of the most notorious miscarriages of justice | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
have had suspect expert evidence at their heart. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
'A mother serving a life sentence for murdering her two baby sons | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
'has walked free from court after her conviction was overturned...' | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
Two well-known cases are those of Angela Cannings | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
and Sally Clark, both wrongfully convicted of murdering | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
their children on the strength of dubious expert evidence. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
But the problem doesn't stop there. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
I think there should be a healthy scepticism about experts, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
because if a jury relies on what is, in fact, unreliable evidence, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
but which is dressed up as science, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
that's a classic case for a miscarriage of justice. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
So, unreliable evidence being presented in court | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
can send the wrong people to jail. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
But what about the experts themselves? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
How much should we trust them? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
Expert witnesses are bound by ethical duties | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
and legal rules designed to ensure their impartiality. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
But are they sticking to them? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
Unfortunately, there are people looking for a payday | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
and they will say what they are expected to say | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
and history has shown that many of the miscarriages of justice | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
involving expert evidence has been where a witness has become | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
too partisan for one side or indeed the other. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Now I'm going to put their integrity to the test. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I'm going to approach a number of expert witnesses | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
in a variety of disciplines | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
and do the one thing that most clients don't do - confess my guilt. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
I'm starting with Professor Barry Peachey, an animal scientist. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
One of his specialities is these animals, badgers. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
Badger campaigner Monica Ward | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
is one person who's crossed swords with him. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
In badger cases, he's often called to give expert evidence | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
because of, you know, he's got a good reputation of getting them off. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:21 | |
Monica Ward was called by the police to attend a sett | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
several years ago, where three men with dogs had been caught digging. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
They said that they had just been out walking the dog | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
and ran into a sett, which is ludicrous. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
In fact, they shouldn't have been there. There's no footpath there. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Barry Peachey wrote a report saying it was a disused sett, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
which helped clear the defendants. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
It really swung the case. Because of Mr Peachey's evidence, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
we can't prove that it was an active badger sett. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
I want to meet Professor Peachey myself, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
so I am going undercover, using the name Geoff Atkinson. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
I found a sett which I know badgers use, because I filmed them. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
I've already told the professor that I have deliberately | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
let a dog into this sett in pursuit of a badger, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
an offence that could get me six months in jail. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
I've also told him that I think | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
I've been filmed by a passer-by and fear prosecution. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
We meet at the sett. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
So there's no chance of arguing that the sett isn't active. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
That doesn't sound good for my defence. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
But even though there may be a witness, Barry is a man with a plan. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
So he's advising me to say it was an accident, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
even though that would be a lie. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
So, Barry Peachey, the man who has just made up a false defence for me, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
has agreed to write an expert report that I can use in court. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
The question is, what will it say? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
The resourceful professor doesn't come cheap. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Barry Peachey's fee is £1,000 upfront, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
with another £1,223 to follow. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
Professor Peachey's behaviour seems anything but appropriate. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
But what will one of the most senior QCs around | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
and an expert in legal ethics think about it? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
What Mr Peachey is doing here | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
is effectively acting as advisor to you and advocate | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
and the role of an expert is not to be advocate or advisor | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
and it is most certainly not to create for you a defence | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
in circumstances where you have factually told him | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
that such a defence wouldn't operate. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
So he's coming up with a lie, effectively? | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
Well, he's coming up with something which he shouldn't be doing | 0:07:55 | 0:08:02 | |
and if you persist in it, you would be running a false defence. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
I want to find out if Professor Peachey is a one-off. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
I'm going to look at some other experts, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
starting with handwriting analysts. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
If you need to find out who really wrote something, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
these are the people you turn to. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
I've written a letter which sounds a bit threatening | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
and I'm going to say it's part of an ongoing dispute with my neighbour. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
I'll say that I've tried to disguise my handwriting | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
but he still thinks it's me, and he's going to sue. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
Again, I'm going to test the integrity of the experts | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
by asking for their help while confessing I'm guilty. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
I contact Simone Tennant, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
a graphologist of 20 years' experience. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
By the time I meet her | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
I have already told her my story over the phone. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
I tell her I'd really like a court report which casts doubt on me | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
being the author of the letter. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Handwriting experts work | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
by comparing examples of your own writing | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
with the disputed document. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
I've brought along half a dozen examples of my real handwriting, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
including some crosswords. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Having sifted the evidence in my favour, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Simone Tennant gives me her verdict. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
So Simone Tennant agrees to prepare a court report which will say | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
the authorship of the letter is inconclusive | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
even though I've told her it's me. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
What about the fact she's handing me back a piece of evidence | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
saying that it's going to be unhelpful to my case? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
She is clearly causing to be omitted a material fact | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
and she knows it's material because it doesn't help | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
the thesis which she is going for, namely, this is inconclusive. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
Near the top of the tree in the world of handwriting analysis | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
is Michael Ansell, a forensic document examiner. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
A former deputy head of the Metropolitan Police's document section, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
he now combines his work as an expert witness | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
with university teaching. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
I've sent an undercover colleague to present him | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
with the same nasty neighbour scenario I gave to Simone Tennant. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Thank you for seeing me. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
And this handwriting expert will go even further than the last one | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
and say there's strong evidence | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
our reporter didn't write the letter, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
despite being told that he had. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
So far, we've met three experts | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
and all have indicated they'll ignore our guilt. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
An expert owes his or her duty to the court | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
and must be independent. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
The expert mustn't descend into the fray and start selecting facts | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
to suit a case or omitting facts to suit a case | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
or advising the party retaining them on how to run their case | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
so as to get the best prospect of a result. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
These days, CCTV cameras are watching our every move. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
And when a crime happens, it's often captured on film. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
But that doesn't always mean it's easy to see what's going on | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
or who's doing it. And that's where the experts come in. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
Time to create some footage of my own. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
This clip of film supposedly shows me damaging my neighbour's property. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
What will an expert in CCTV analysis make of it? | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
I contact Neil Millar, a former soldier now making his living | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
as an expert analyst in CCTV. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
I've told him from the outset it's me in the footage | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
and that my neighbour is threatening to sue. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
He says he will prepare a court report for me | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
but won't lie in court if asked whether I told him it was me. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
A lot of the time, experts don't need to appear in court. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
Their reports are often evidence enough. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
So what they put in them is crucial. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
Two days later, I travel to York | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
to meet with Neil Millar in a hotel bar. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
I show him the footage and he gives me his expert opinion. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
He confirms that his report will be fully court-worthy. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
But he's still uncomfortable with the prospect of being | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
cross-examined in court. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
He goes to great lengths to record my every feature | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
in order to compare me to the CCTV. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
He even videos my way of walking. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
The obvious bit is that it's me in the footage, and I've told him that. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
Neil Millar has named his price - £1,360. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
Now it's just a matter of waiting for his report, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
and those of all the other experts I've commissioned. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Chris Dickinson is a solicitor who's had cause to doubt | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
the integrity of some expert witnesses. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
It all started when one of his clients had a car accident. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
Three days later, she was out shopping with a friend | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
and fell into her shopping trolley and had to be helped up. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
Now, she remembered nothing of that at all. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Because she couldn't remember, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
it suggested she may have suffered a head injury in the earlier crash. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Lawyers for the other driver appointed an expert witness, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
a neurologist, to assess her. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Her memory of the shopping trolley incident, or lack of it, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
was key to her claim for compensation. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
She made it absolutely clear to him | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
that she didn't remember that event. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
But when he wrote his report, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:41 | |
he said that she did remember falling into that shopping trolley. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
Fortunately for her, she'd taped the meeting for her records. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
The case went to court. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
She was claiming compensation for a brain injury | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
suffered during the car crash. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
The defence was fighting her claim based on the expert's evidence. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
Because she had made a recording, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
she was able to prove that her evidence to him had been accurate. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
She was entirely honest. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
The expert's evidence had misled the court. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
She won her case and was awarded £500,000 in compensation. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
There are a few experts that rely quite heavily | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
on one or two insurers for their income. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
Those experts know what generally pleases their insurance client. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
For example, a report that says there's nothing wrong with a person. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
It's several weeks since I started my investigation. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
The expert reports I commissioned for use in court | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
are ready to be collected. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Remember, I'm the paying client. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
So will the reports say what I want them to, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
or will they tell the whole truth? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
First, Simone Tennant, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
the handwriting expert who rejected unhelpful evidence. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Good to her word, her report says it's inconclusive | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
whether I wrote the letter, even though I told her that I had. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
And there's no reference at all to my confession in her report, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
which costs me £500. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
She says she doubts very much that my case will make it to court. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
But what if it does? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
What's your opinion on Simone Tennant's report? | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
The report is clearly not a proper report | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
for an expert to present. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
And she concludes the report by saying, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
"The opinions I have expressed represent my true and complete | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
"professional opinions on the matters to which they refer." | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
That's clearly incorrect. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Simone Tennant did not reply to our written requests | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
for her to respond to the findings of our investigation. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Michael Ansell, the forensic document examiner, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
also has a report ready. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
The important thing is the report's conclusion. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
He's saying there's strong evidence that we didn't write it. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
But he's been told that we did. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
What if he's asked the most awkward question of all? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
Michael Ansell charges us £216, including VAT, for his report, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
which contains no reference at all to the fact that he's been told | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
who actually wrote the letter. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
What can you say about Michael Ansell's conduct? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
Well, in his case, you had told him | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
several times that you had written the disputed document, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
and in his case, the statement of truth is misleading. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
And by providing the report to you so that you can use it in court, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
he has failed to discharge his duty. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Michael Ansell said he is not a hired gun | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
and that he hadn't been paid in advance. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
He said he heard our undercover reporter say | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
he wrote the anonymous note, but as he'd already been told | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
it was a disputed document, he didn't at any point consider | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
that the reporter meant he had written it. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
I've also received a report from Neil Millar, the CCTV expert. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
He's only written that the CCTV evidence offers "moderate support" | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
to me being the person in the footage. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
But that's as high as he puts it, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
even though I've told him more than once that it is me. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
His report even suggests that the person in the footage | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
could be someone else. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
What can you say about Neil Millar's conduct? | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
One rather significant piece of information was that you had | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
told him you were the person on the CCTV, which is completely omitted. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
So he is in serious breach of duty by giving you a report | 0:21:46 | 0:21:53 | |
which he was prepared to have presented to a court. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Neil Millar told us that he acted entirely properly throughout. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
He appropriately limited his report to an analysis of the evidence | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
and matters within his expertise. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
He said he wasn't instructed by solicitors, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
that he didn't treat what he was told by us | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
as part of his instructions, that he never accepts at face value | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
what clients tell him, and that his report was unbiased. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
He said he'd advised us that he would have to truthfully tell | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
the court what he had been told. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Professor Peachey has also sent me his report. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
As expected, it states that the badger sett he examined for me | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
is large and active. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
I meet him at a motorway service station near his home | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
to pay him the balance of his fee. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
His report twice says that it was not at all obvious | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
to any casual passer-by that there was a badger sett nearby. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Has he included that to help tee up the false defence he suggested, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
that the dogs chased a badger by accident? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Now, it seems, we are getting to the heart of Professor Peachey's plan | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
to help me avoid a conviction for interfering with a badger sett. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
And if the police do knock on my door, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
Barry Peachey says he'll find me a solicitor. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
I'm curious to know how open he thinks I should be with a lawyer. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
So there we have it, Professor Peachey's bottom line. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Don't tell the truth, even to your own lawyer. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
So if our badger story had been real, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
could the professor's behaviour even have put him | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
on the wrong side of the law? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
It's very serious indeed, because by reference to what you had told him, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
he knew it wasn't highly likely that this was an accident. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
On the contrary, this was, from what you had told him | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
and as he indicates in the tape, a criminal offence. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
Now, in real life, if two people put their heads together in order | 0:24:50 | 0:24:57 | |
to concoct evidence to be placed before the court, which is false, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:03 | |
then that gives rise to the potential criminal offence | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
of perverting, or attempting to pervert, the course of justice. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
Monica Ward is the badger campaigner | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
who experienced Professor Peachey in court. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
'Your defence in this case isn't that...' | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
-That's away from telling the truth. -Mm. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
He's telling you to lie. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
He's telling you to lie in court, isn't he? | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
That's all he's doing, yeah. To get off, that's all he can do. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
It's disgusting. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Gosh. I'm appalled. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Because it does throw into doubt | 0:25:39 | 0:25:40 | |
his so-called independent evidence, doesn't it? | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
We asked all the experts we investigated | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
to respond to what we've found. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Professor Peachey wanted to explain himself in person. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
You see, your essential problem with me | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
is I'm not a crook, and you should be after those who are. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
You, on nine separate occasions in the first meeting, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
suggested that we "paint it as an accident". | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Yes, well, indeed it was, and that's entirely right, because... | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
But how can that be an accident if I had broken the law | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
by releasing the dogs off the lead and putting them into the sett? | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Because very often I go to cases like this where people tell me | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
they've broken the law when in fact they haven't. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
But you'd agreed that I broke the law. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
Well, it's not for me to agree or disagree. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
But you did, you did agree. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
You said, yes, absolutely, you have broken the law. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Well, it sounds as if you had, certainly. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Given that you are, as you put it, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
and I was about to quote you this anyway, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
"What is most important is that I am an independent expert. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
-"It is not for me to put up your defences." -Exactly right. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
"The fact that I WILL put up your defences must be unknown | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
-"to the prosecution." -Indeed. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:43 | |
So how do you reconcile that? | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
Well, I'm not... | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
It is not for the prosecution to know that we have had | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
any sort of discussion at all, because we don't know | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
what the allegations against you are, at the end of the day. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
It clearly won't be me who is putting up your defences, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
it will be your solicitor who's putting up your defences. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Professor Peachey told us all his reports are fair and unbiased. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
The one he provided to us was truthful and accurate, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
and he had no financial incentive not to tell the truth. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
He said the facts of the incident hadn't been made clear to him | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
and that he would never lie in court. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
So we've met a CCTV expert who said it could be dodgy for him | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
in the witness box, but who sold me a helpful court report anyway, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
one handwriting expert willing to ignore unfavourable evidence, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
another who says he would lie in court, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
and an animal expert who's suggested a totally false defence. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
Between them, they have produced reports for hundreds of cases. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
What's your overall view on what we've shown you? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Every so often, one comes across experts | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
who may seek to subvert the rules. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
My own experience is that that is comparatively rare. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
Nevertheless, seeing these four examples is surprising, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:06 | |
and in each of these instances, it seems to me that the breaches of duty | 0:28:06 | 0:28:12 | |
are, had they been carried through into the court process, very serious. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
Our investigation is only a snapshot. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
But, of the nine experts we contacted, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
only one didn't want to get involved once we had confessed our guilt. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
The Government says it's tightening the rules | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
on expert testimony in criminal cases. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
But this investigation suggests the industry needs properly regulating | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
to guarantee the integrity of experts | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
and ensure that justice can't be bought. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 |