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Contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
'Iraq is being torn apart.' | 0:00:05 | 0:00:06 | |
-Come with me! -Down here! | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
'Tonight, Panorama reports from the heart of the fighting.' | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
'The battle is against ISIS, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
'a brutal jihadi group that grew out of Al-Qaeda.' | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
SHOUTING | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
'It's declared an Islamic state. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
'We hear the story of ISIS from the inside.' | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
This is the place. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
-TRANSLATION: -They put two corpses down there | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
and the heads up there. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
TRANSLATION: You're either with me or against me. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
If you are against me, you will be killed. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
-TRANSLATION: -We would receive orders to kill a specific person. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
'But could the conflict eventually spill out of the Middle East? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
'We talk to a British jihadi.' | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
If you don't leave our Muslim brothers around the globe | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
and mind your own business, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
then you can expect these attacks. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
We are in Northern Iraq. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
These are the Kurds. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
They have their own military | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
and they're in their own fight with ISIS. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
The General is talking to a tribal sheik | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
who's pledged loyalty to the jihadis. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
"Turn over the foreign fighters in your town," | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
the General says, "or there will be blood." | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
The General's appeal fails. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
In the next town, they're Sunni Muslim. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
They've joined with ISIS | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
to rebel against Iraq's Shia Muslim-led government. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
THEY SHOUT | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
ISIS is a Sunni jihadi group that grew out of Al-Qaeda | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
and which has now eclipsed it in power and violence. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Kurd and Arab, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
Sunni and Shi'ite - | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
Iraq is tearing itself apart along its many fault lines. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
ISIS is the catalyst. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
-How are you? -How are you, mate? | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
'Lahur Talabani grew up a refugee from Saddam Hussein | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
'in Beckenham, south London.' | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
We were under attack from different directions last night. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
You saw the fighting when it started | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
until five o'clock in the morning, from all directions. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
'Now, the former business management student | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
'is head of Kurdish intelligence.' | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
What kind of enemy is ISIS? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
A very dangerous enemy. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
An enemy that has attracted forces from all over the world, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
that have come here to fight. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
And they are willing to die for what they believe in. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
A Kurdish unit moves carefully into the small-town of Jalawla. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
ISIS wants it for their new Islamic state | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
declared across parts of Iraq and Syria. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
The Kurdish fighters, known as Peshmerga, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
are trying to stop them. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
THEY CALL TO EACH OTHER | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
The battle is over by the time we arrive. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
But the Kurdish fighters believe | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
ISIS reinforcements are being sent to the outskirts of town. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
CHATTER | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
OK, I think we need to be out on foot. Yeah, turn around. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
Let's get into cover, here, and then we get out on foot. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Don't point...Ah, down, down, down! | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
'They spot movement.' | 0:04:43 | 0:04:44 | |
Get behind cover! | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
Guys, come with me. Come with me, come with me! | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Down here, down here, down here. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
'Bullets come in from several different directions.' | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
OK, OK, OK. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Jalawla. Jalawla! | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
THEY SHOUT | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
The Peshmerga thought they had secured this place, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
but they've just been told of 75 vehicles with ISIS fighters | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
making their way here to try to cut them off. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
GUNSHOTS AND EXPLOSIONS | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
The battle is going backwards and forwards. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Things are still very fluid, here. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
We are with half a dozen men who are trapped | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
with ISIS on three sides. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
You need to find the most senior commander you can find | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
and get them to get the troops... Can you hear me? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
'There is growing panic. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
'They think the jihadis are coming in through the back of the building | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
'and know what ISIS does to prisoners. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
'Everyone here expects to be shot or beheaded if captured.' | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
FRANTIC SHOUTING CONTINUES | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
'This man was shot through the leg.' | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
It turns out this was not the main ISIS force, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
but a smaller attack. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
THEY CONTINUE TO SHOUT | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
'The group attracts foreign jihadis from around the world. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
'Here, the Peshmerga think ISIS was trying to recover | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
'the bodies of foreigners so they couldn't be identified.' | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
The bodies that we captured, none of them were Iraqis. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
And then we noticed that they were trying very, very hard | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
not to leave anybody behind, even their dead. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
The ones that they did leave behind, as many as they could, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
they would destroy their faces. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
They would just empty a whole magazine of bullets | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
into their faces and completely destroy their faces | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
so we wouldn't be able to recognise them. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
We know there are...the numbers of Brits | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
that have joined the fight in Syria | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
with ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
is around 400. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
We believe around 200 of those guys are still amongst those forces. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
Do you think there are Brits on this front line? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
We haven't seen any evidence, even though, yesterday, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
one of the casualties of ISIS that was killed, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
he was wearing these particular gloves | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
which is Gold's Gym in Surrey, I think. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
Very particular gloves that they sell in that gym! | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
So he was a foreign fighter, Arab nationality. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
ISIS has swept over a third of Iraq. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Mosul, Tikrit, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
the approaches to Baghdad. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
They now call themselves simply The Islamic State. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
The captured towns are majority Sunni. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
CARS TOOT | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Some Sunni tribes helped ISIS | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
because of what they say is years of persecution | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
by Iraq's Shi'ite-led government. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Another reason a few thousand ISIS fighters | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
were able to put 100,000 Iraqi troops to flight... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
Terror. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
This is The Islamic State's own Twitter feed. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
ISIS claims it executed more than 1,700 prisoners | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
in the town of Tikrit. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
We found a deserter, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:48 | |
whose whole battalion fled without firing a single shot - | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
ISIS still 20 miles away. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
-TRANSLATION: -The morale of the soldiers was shaken. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
We were serving at checkpoints. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
The other troops withdrew from their areas, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
even the high ranking officers and the Lieutenant Colonel left. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
The Sunni troops did not want to fight other Sunnis. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
The Shia soldiers had no interest in defending Sunni towns. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
-TRANSLATION: -The Army is not to blame. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
It's the officials who are responsible | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
for putting the Army in such a situation. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
We wanted to fight but when we saw what was happening, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
the troops just collapsed. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Some soldiers cried. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
They asked, "Why is this happening?" | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
Nobody was shooting at us, the enemy was nowhere near. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Some Sunnis support ISIS | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
but the Iraqi army's humiliation leaves millions of others trapped | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
under a new and terrifying regime. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
We can't travel to The Islamic State to see conditions for ourselves. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
They arrest Western journalists as spies. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Instead, we're heading into parts of Syria that WERE held by ISIS | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
to find out what life is like under their rule. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
That journey starts in Turkey. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
Turkey's border with Syria is a hinterland of safe houses | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
and supply lines. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
It's been used as a rear operating base | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
by both the Free Syrian Army and by ISIS. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
The Islamic State is no longer welcome here | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
and so you can find many Syrians who are in hiding from ISIS. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
We are meeting an ISIS defector. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
Why do you have to disguise yourself for this interview? | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
-TRANSLATION: -ISIS's brutality terrifies everyone. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Not only me. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
My family, my cousins, my siblings are all still there. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
I fear for them all. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
HE CONTINUES IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
'He joined ISIS as they were better armed | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
'and because he was attracted by the promise of an Islamic state.' | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
-TRANSLATION: -In the beginning, ISIS were kind to the population | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
in order to attract people to their cause. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
And they provided them with what they needed | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
in order to appeal to them quickly. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
HE CONTINUES | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
-TRANSLATION: -Once ISIS succeeded in attracting people, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
they changed dramatically from being good | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
to being cruel and harsh. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
You are either with me or against me. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
There is nothing in between. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
If you are against me, then you will be killed. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
He left because he was sickened by what he witnessed. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Fearing for his own life, he knew he had to flee. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
-TRANSLATION: -My last meeting was with the emir about some business. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
On his way out, I shot him three times. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I heard him scream and then I packed my rifle and ran. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
I tried not to leave any traces behind me. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Then, with the help of some people on the border, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
I was able to get into Turkey. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
This is the road to Syria. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
We're crossing into territory | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
that until recently would have been impossible to visit. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
Half an hour over the border is the town of Azaz. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
ISIS seized control here last September... | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
..and implemented strict sharia, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
or the ISIS version of it. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
-Salam. -Salam. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
The jihadis used the town's main roundabout | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
to carry out floggings and beheadings. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
-Salamu Aleykom. -Wa Alaykom el Salam. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
'We meet a resident who saw it all.' | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
So this is the place? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
HE BEGINS RESPONDING | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
TRANSLATION: They brought four men from the Free Syrian Army | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
and they slaughtered them here. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
They put two corpses down there and the heads up there | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
and then left them from Friday morning prayers | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
till the afternoon. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
Under ISIS, people were flogged for infringing the dress code | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
or for smoking. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
These nightmarish scenes are difficult to watch. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
The jihadis sentence their enemies to death. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
A ghoulish crowd watched the spectacle. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
TRANSLATION: It's utterly shocking. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
Slaughtering a human being, to them, is like killing a bird. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
THE CROWD CHEERS | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Not only that but they also mutilate the corpses. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
They slaughter them, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
then hang the bodies up for four or five hours in the sun. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Did most people in Azaz support this practice? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Because I've seen video of people cheering, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
people are happy that this is happening. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
TRANSLATION: Nobody dared to say a word | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
because they were scared of being killed. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Anybody could be falsely accused of working for the FSA | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
and be slaughtered. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
That's not an Islamic act, nor the actions of a human being. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
The West seems to think all Syrians are extremists. No! | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
We are very moderate in our Islam. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
ISIS could do this | 0:14:55 | 0:14:56 | |
because their view of Islam is actually shared by some people here? | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
Do you agree with that? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
No, they are not popular at all. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
We completely disassociate ourselves from them. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
They imposed themselves on us using military force. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
So what we're hearing from the gentleman is an account of how | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
ISIS ruled with the whip and with the sword. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
And that comes from their very literal interpretation of Islam. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
They wish to go back to what they see as a more pure form | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
of Islam, from the Prophet's time. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
It may also be part of a very deliberate strategy. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
What took place here was an attempt | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
to break society in order to re-make it. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
You need a lot of violence and a lot of bloodshed to do that. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
When ISIS were driven out of Azaz in March, they left behind mass graves. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
We obtained video taken from the mobile phone of an ISIS fighter. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
It shows those they've killed. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
THEY CONVERSE IN THEIR OWN TONGUE | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
Their bodies are dragged along like sacks of rubbish. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
-TRANSLATION: -The Islamic State is using Islam | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
as a cover for their extremism. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
No freedom of opinion exists. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Any legitimate Islamic practice that might threaten the goals | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
of the Islamic State is considered a sin. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
They practice Islam in appearance only, and to control minds. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
The thought that such a state could become a permanent fixture | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
in the Middle East horrifies Iraq's neighbours, and the wider world. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
We arrive in Baghdad to find out how Iraq's government is fighting back. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
Government troops are on the offensive around the capital. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
Inside, the city is on edge. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Tensions between Sunni and Shia are stretched to breaking point. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
The Iraqi police believe that hidden amongst the Sunni population | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
are more than 2,000 ISIS sleeper agents. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
The general in charge of finding them tells me | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
they've arrested a very dangerous man. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
The deputy commander of an ISIS hit squad. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
-TRANSLATION: -During this whole period we didn't do much. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
We were dormant this last year. We were told to sit and wait. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
But about four or five months ago, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
I received orders to reorganise and activate our cell. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
We would receive orders to kill a specific person. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
We carried out the murder of a member of a local council. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
Was there any preparation of car bombs or was it all assassinations? | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
No, we don't use car bombs. We conduct assassinations. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
However, we did use a sticky bomb to assassinate the city councillor. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
We also used a sticky bomb in the assassination | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
of a Sunni tribal leader. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Are you paid a salary or do you do this out of belief, these actions? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
No, we don't do this for money. It's for our faith. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
However, there is a salary too. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
The going rate for an ISIS killer? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
About 250 a month. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
I told our commander that I wanted to leave the group. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
He replied that nobody can quit this kind of work. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
Shi'ites at prayer. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
To defeat ISIS, the country will have to come together. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
But people are retreating into their own communities. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
After worship, men flock to join up. But not the police or army. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
The Shi'ite militias. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
Shield of the Message is one of those militias. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
Shi'ites have been killed in large numbers by ISIS. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
This is the response. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
These are the true believers. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Unlike the Iraqi Army, these men will stand and fight. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
They take us to the nearest front line | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
half an hour out of Baghdad on the road to Fallujah. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
This is where ISIS will have to be stopped. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
THEY CHANT | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
No-one can doubt their fervour. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
But they're volunteers. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
Labourers, businessmen and taxi drivers. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
These men are entrusted with the western defence of the capital. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
They say they fight for the state | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
but they speak the language of jihad. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-TRANSLATION: -We are committed to God, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
his prophet and his family, in death or in victory. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
With the help of God, let the rats hear us. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
Let ISIS hear us. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
We are not the ones who fled from Mosul. We are here to die. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
We don't want salaries. We don't want anything. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
We came here for martyrdom. We came here for martyrdom. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
CHANTING RESUMES | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
They insist they will fight for nation, not sect. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
But to Sunnis, nothing's more frightening | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
than a Shi'ite militia on the march. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
CHANTING CONTINUES | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
The coffin is for a Sunni man. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
He went to hospital with a cousin. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Both were abducted right under the noses of the security forces. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
His family blame a Shi'ite militia. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
-TRANSLATION: -He told me that he was scared of going to hospital. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
He said, "You stay here and work | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
"because I'm worried something might happen." | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
That's what he said. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
When we tried to call them at around two o'clock, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
their mobiles were switched off. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
We went to find them and we found them in Al-Hurya. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
They'd been killed. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
No-one, including the police, can say anything to them. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
No-one can hold them to account. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
We're even afraid of them in the streets. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
But they are not, yet, turning to ISIS. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
-TRANSLATION: -ISIS doesn't even represent | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
10% of the revolutionaries. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:11 | |
If you give them their rights, this whole thing would be over. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
Even a goat herder knows this. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
The Sunnis here don't want to rebel against Baghdad, but they feel | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
they can't turn to the government or to the police for help. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
So they're stuck, between the Shi'ite militias on the one hand, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
and the jihadis of the Islamic State on the other. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
The Prime Minister they so mistrust, Nouri al-Maliki, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
trying to rally the nation. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
He is accused of running a sectarian government, of tolerating | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
death squads, of keeping money and power for the Shia. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
He carries a lot of the blame. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
Maliki created a Shia-dominated state in which Sunni were marginalised. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
There are villages outside Fallujah, Sunni villages, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
where most of the young men are in jail. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Many of them confess to capital crimes, under torture. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
Sometimes they are on death row for crimes | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
that somebody else has already been executed for. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
So no wonder that if you're a Sunni young man from these places, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
joining ISIS doesn't seem that much more dangerous than staying at home. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
If Prime Minister Maliki can't gain the Sunnis' confidence | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
and persuade them to fight the jihadis, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
a third of the country will belong to this man. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, leader of ISIS. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
The new Caliph, as he calls himself, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
takes Friday prayers at Mosul's Grand Mosque. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
To make way for Baghdadi, ISIS killed the existing Imam, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
according to the UN, as well as a dozen other clerics. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
All refused to swear allegiance to the Islamic State. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
This sermon seems to promise global jihad. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
The "Caliph" says all Muslims should come to his new empire. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
It's thought that hundreds of young Britons have already joined ISIS. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
I spoke to one man on Skype | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
who says he's a British jihadist with ISIS in Syria. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
He calls himself Abu Summayyah al Britaani, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
and says he's on the waiting list to be a suicide bomber. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
Everybody's got their name on the list | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
and everybody is forcing the Emir to put their name, to push it up, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
and everybody wants to fight for the sake of Allah. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
He denies that he and other foreigners in ISIS | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
are being trained to carry out attacks back home. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
They've even destroyed their passports. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
But that could change | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
if the West intervenes against the Islamic State. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
If the British Government commits terror against our people, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
is unjust towards our people, kills and murders and rapes our people, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
then you can expect attacks on your soil. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
If you don't leave our Muslim brothers around the globe, and | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
mind your own business, and support our enemies against us, then you can | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
expect these attacks, and so can America and so can any other country. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
Western countries could try to avoid provoking ISIS | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
and the young Muslims it's trained for martyrdom. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
But the Islamic State is determined to grow. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
A clash may be inevitable, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
says one of the world's leading experts on radicalisation. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
When we look at the overall aspirations of ISIS, it wants to take | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
over the whole world and subjugate it to its version of political Islam. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
And so the real question we need to ask ourselves is that | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
unfortunately at one stage or another we are going to be | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
drawn into a confrontation with them. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
The issue is how long is that event horizon? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Is it 12 months, five years, ten years, 50 years? | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
But at one point or another we will have to confront them. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
The West faces a decision - | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
whether to confront the new Caliphate or leave it to grow. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
There are risks either way. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
For now, the war against ISIS remains in the Middle East. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
How long will it stay there? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 |