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The United Kingdom has held itself together, for the moment. But the

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union will never be the same again. So the result of the vote will

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certainly have a big impact right across the UK... Leaders are

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grappling with the timing and extent constitutional changes promised.

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Westminster had to promise unprecedented powers to Edinburgh.

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-- Edinburgh, to stop Scotland breaking away. This is a remarkable

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moment, a moment that has unknown consequences for not only Scotland's

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future, but that for the UK as a whole. Now, a constitutional crisis

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looms, as people across the UK question the very future of our

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union. We've heard the voice of Scotland and now the millions of

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voices of England must also be heard. So, how did it happen? This

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result, which has had such profound consequences for us all.

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Panorama teamed up with BBC Scotland to follow the lives of several

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voters in the run up to the poll. I'm British. I was born British. You

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were born in Scotland. I was born British. You were born in Scotland,

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so you're Scottish. Through indecision, anxiety and the big

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night itself. Let's get voting. It's through these momentous months that

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the people of Scotland changed the face of Britain.

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BBC cameras spent four months in the homes of voters. From castles to

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council flats, from the Northern Isles to inner-city Glasgow, I

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travelled around Scotland to meet them, the people who would help

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decide their country's fate and with it, unexpectedly, the future shape

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of all the UK. There were farmers, the Shetland boatmen, the

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hairdresser, the modern-day laird, and a 16-year-old who gets to vote

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for the first time. There's nae much oil left, how come there's record

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investment in the industry? From the start, the voters were bombarded

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with media messages. I will not be gambling with my children's future.

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Both sides try to claim ownership of the national identity. Not long

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after my family emigrated to America in the mid-70s, we were invited to

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be the special guests of a Burns' supper... When the 'No' campaign

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broadcast this in January, they were riding high in the polls. Oh, dear.

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Where' ere you be, let's link arms... That doesn't make me want to

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vote yes or not, it's just nice words. Exactly. You can still link

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arms with people, is it like saying, oh, if we're independent we can't

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embrace anybody else. Well, that's just nonsense. That's embarrassing.

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There's no way that anybody would change their vote because of that.

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You're just upset because you used to like him in Doctor Who and now

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you can't. The 'Yes' campaign swiftly took ownership of the

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Saltire, making No voters look potentially unpatriotic, belatedly,

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Gordon Brown tried to seize it back. Let us tell the Nationalists this is

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not their flag, their country, their culture, their streets. This is

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everyone's flag, everyone's country, everyone's streets. Danny and

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Allison Milne run a farm in Fife. It's more a way of life than a job.

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In the spring, with the referendum campaign yet to ignite, their views

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on independence were still taking shape. I'm definitely undecided. In

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the next few months I'm really going to have to make a determined effort

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to read and listen a wee bit better. I want to be clear on what's the

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aspiration? Where do we want Scotland to be in 10, 20, 30 years'

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time both from Better Together and the 'Yes' campaign. That's going to

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sell it to me. Rather than an answer to every single detail. I want a

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vision. Others were looking for something less grand than a vision.

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Shawn is 29 and has never bothered voting before, along with around a

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million other people in Scotland. He was disengaged and disinterested,

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but the notion this vote could have changed his future inflamed his cure

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yosity. We've got 300 years to make up for having English rule. You

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think it will be good for a change? You never know really. No, you

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don't. We've never done it, so we don't know. It's got to be a better

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option. So independence all the way for you? For me, all the way.

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Fabulous. For others, their whole family

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history is intertwined with the conflicts between the Scots and the

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English. This is the home of Simon Craufurd, a country estate that's

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been in the family nearly 800 years. But time has eroded much of that

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fortune. Simon needs to work for a living, albeit, on his own 600-acre

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estate. I think people expect a lot more

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tweed and they get a lot more ripped jeans. The stereotypical stuff of a

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toff I don't do and all the other stuff I do. Simon runs several small

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businesses from his estate, part of which he's converted into a

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self-catering retreat. He sells a piece of Scotland's heritage to

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visitors from around the world, fishing, rambling and banquets.

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Despite his patriotism and anness trigoing -- ancestry going back to

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robber the Bruce, he wanted Scotland to remain in the UK. A Yes vote for

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him could have meant an extra cost for his business, which, he thought,

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could have been terminal. If the interest rates go up, won't have the

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money to spend. If interest rates go up, for us, we will struggle. We

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have borrowing in the estate and in the What's the worst house. That

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could happen? We could potentially lose the house itself, which would

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be, for me, devastating, because it would be 28 generations and that's

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too big a gamble to take. For others too, the economy and the pound in

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particular were to play a big part in deciding which way to vote. A

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pound is a pound, whether it's got a picture of the Queen, Rabbie Burns

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or even me. How can we be sure we can keep the

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Scottish pound even if we vote yes in the referendum? It was the

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Chancellor, George Osborne, who first set the currency debate

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alight. If Scotland walks away from the UK, it walks away from the UK

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pound. But some saw that as English bullying and it was the Yes vote, in

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favour of independence, which made ground. It was left to Alistair

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Darling, from the 'No' campaign, to win it back.

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What the hell is this castle speaking about? There's no way they

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can stop Scotland from using the pound. It doesn't belong to you.

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It's been built up over a period of time. What.experts think. Three

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academics followed the debate for Panorama.

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Telling people in Scotland that they can't have something because England

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doesn't want them to, doesn't necessarily go down as a

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particularly popular idea. It's a currency that has been shared for

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several hundred years. That really does make a difference, actually.

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Because it's one thing to object to another country adopting your

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currency. It's another saying that we're going to stop another country

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using it. Shetland can feel as remote from Edinburgh as it does

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from London. Some here are equally dismissive of both. It has an oil

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business making it financially buoyant. It was to vote strongly to

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stay in the union. But Frank is an incomer, a Shetlander since he was

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eight. He wanted a Scotland without the rest of the UK, but he was

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struggling to persuade his old friend, Stuart.

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I can understand Frank's point of view. I think he's got a valid

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point. He argues a good argument. But I'm not right sure. The thing

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is, though, every Tory Government that we've had has been against what

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Scottish, the people of Scotland has voted for. We've never voted for a

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Tory Government, yet that's what we've had, all the Thatcher years.

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Yes, even Tony Blair was a bloody That's right, New Tory. Labour.

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At a comprehensive school in Glasgow, Holly Webber represented a

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new generation of voters, 16 and 17-year-olds had been enfranchised

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for the first time, more than 100,000 of them. Early on, polls

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showed the internet generation would vote against independence. But the

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gap between yes and no was to be narrow. Holly lives in a

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middle-class area of Glasgow with her parents. Hello. Hello. Whilst

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they plan to vote no, she became a defiant yes, following the pattern

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of her age group. I used to be a really strong no. But

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that was maybe more than a couple of months ago, when I feel like there

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was less hype, less information about the referendum then and a lot

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of it was like, "Oh, the referendum again." I thought maybe it was too

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risky. Now I've looked into it and realised what actually needs to

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change in Britain, I'm a yes now. No, no, no, no, no. I'm voting no.

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LAUGHTER That's great fun actually. Both campaigns went viral and it

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became hard to distinguish what was official and what wasn't. Do you

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think she's part of the official SNP campaign? She could be.

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# I want a country run by Tory MPs, I'm voting no... When you listen to

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some of her words, she was like, although why make your own choice,

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when we can let, like, the Parliament do it for us. I was like

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yeah, that's reverse psychology. In Fife despite working on her busy

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farm, Allison had found time to study the issues around independence

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and had come down as a firm Yes vote. She believed it would bring

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about a fairer, more equitable society and that Scotland would be

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more likely to keep her in the EU, rather than staying with the UK,

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where some are pushing for a referendum to get out. Hi. She

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wasn't spooked by warnings that an independent Scotland could find

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itself in the wilderness. In case there is a new state, coming

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out of our comurnt member state, it will have to apply and it is very

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important, the application and accession to the European Union will

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have to be approved by all the other member states of the European

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Union... REPORTER: Does that worry you? I

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think I would be foolish to say it doesn't worry me. The negotiation

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process will be very difficult, not least because that negotiation

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process has to take part with Scotland, the UK, and Europe, so,

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yes, it will be very challenging. The fear of being evicted from

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Europe was played on repeatedly by the No campaign. And was never

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satisfactorily resolved. I find it very difficult to see how the

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European Union could expel the territory and the people of

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Scotland. Scotland is in the European Union, not as an

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independent state, but we have been there for 40 years. As a matter of

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democratic principle, to say you will be excluded because you

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exercise your democratic right in agreement with the rest of the

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United Kingdom would give a terrible example to Nationalist movements

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elsewhere. At the salon in Glasgow, Shaun's

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political awakening had exposed him to some fresh and uncomfortable

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truths. I seen something and it is a threat

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and that is quite scary as well! The removal of nuclear subs was an

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issue, but not for voters like Shaun.

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Obviously, I didn't know they were in Scotland before until now.

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Up at the farm, in Fife, Alison's Yes vote hasn't waivered. Danny

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remained undecided. But Alison didn't really want to vote Yes, or

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No. She wanted a third choice, on more devolved powers for Scotland,

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so-called devo max. Ready? Ready for you. When the

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referendum deal was signed, the Scottish Government was open to the

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idea of devo max on the ballot paper, but Westminster ruled it out.

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Back then, polls showed just 30% of Scots supported independence. David

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Cameron's decision wouldn't have seemed much of a gamble, but it

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would come back to haunt him. Yes, I would have gone for devo max,

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definitely. Are you saying that was a mistake by the British Government

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not to make sure that was an option on the ballot paper? I think it was

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an incredibly poor decision not to include devo max. I think even for

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those people that support independence, they could have

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recognised that it might have provided a gradual transition

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towards that. Then, the bombshell. A YouGov poll

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put the Yes vote ahead for the first time. England awoke. The three

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Westminster parties panicked and went further than they had ever

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intended. Vowing to give extensive new powers to Scotland if voters

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rejected independence. A revitalised Gordon Brown would

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fast-track it. I'm proud that we are leading the way today in saying a

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timetable has got to be developed for the Scottish Parliament, so let

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nobody say that this referendum is a choice between doing nothing and

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independence. Was it David Cameron's mistake that

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that wasn't on the ballot paper? Towards the end of the campaign,

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when the two sides were neck-and-neck, he probably regretted

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that. The Nationalists wanted a second question because if they lost

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the first question, they could probably win the second one. So, it

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was a win-win situation for them. The three party leaders dashed to

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Scotland to shore up the No vote. I think they should have done it

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earlier and then again, but the problem is... Cameron got slagged

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off for it. I know. David Cameron is not being genuine. I would be

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heartbroken... He will be heartbroken that we break up when,

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really, he realised that it is a reality. If this family of nations

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was torn apart... I have more respect for David Cameron but I

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don't rate him much as a politician after his speech and the fact that

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he actually was nearly in tears and clearly feels passionate about it.

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On the one hand, it did show that people at Westminster were taking

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the issue seriously. On the other hand, there was a lack of

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realisation that, in a sense, Westminster is part of the problem

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rather than the solution. And it was a bit of a reminder that all three

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party leaders looked rather alien figures.

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But the most high-profile boost for the No vote was to come from outside

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party politics. There are more questions about the

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future of Scottish financial institutions in the event of a Yes

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vote... With seven days to go to the poll, it came out that The Royal

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Bank of Scotland and Lloyds were making contingency plans to move

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their HQs out of Scotland in the event of independence.

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In London, the Treasury said that was understandable. The Yes camp

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accused it of trying to orchestrate a campaign to save the Union, but

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the fear that jobs and money were escaping over the border whilst they

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still could had already stopped the momentum of the Yes campaign.

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In the frantic final week, Glasgow hosted Scotland's biggest youth

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debate. Nearly 7,500 teenagers took part. Holly was amongst them. The

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fear of money and jobs migrating south had reached these first-time

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voters. Two large Scottish banks have vowed to move their

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headquarters south of the border if we go independent. How can Nicola

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say that this will attract more jobs for young people, whereas it has

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pushed jobs out at the thought of an independent Scotland? RBS said it's

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moving headquarters... No, it didn't. No, it didn't. Tesco Bank

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before we came out today said they are moving their headquarters... The

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banks say they don't involve moving any jobs. If the banks say that,

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let's not have scaremongering from the No party. What is striking here

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is the level of political engagement. These youngsters, they

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are interested, they are really passionate. That is not going to go

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away whatever the result of the referendum. Their sharpened

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political awareness is going to shape the future of Scotland.

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The big day last Thursday. Most of Britain had only appreciated the

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importance of the referendum in the final days of the campaign. But in

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Scotland, after unprecedented levels of political engagement, polling

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stations were going to be busy. Fine. Not particularly complicated.

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Make sure the cross is very obvious, where it should be. Morning.

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It's the future that is going to be affecting me for the rest of my

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life. It is good that I get do have a say in it. Almost 85% of voters

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went to the polls, the highest turnout in UK history.

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I'm not that fussed which way it goes. I was swaying more towards

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Yes. If it is not Yes, no hard feelings. I was surprised how

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nervous I felt. I suppose a bit emotional, really, with the eyes of

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the world watching Scotland. I hope we can do ourselves proud and show

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how we can deal with opposing views respectfully. That is really, you

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know, my biggest hope. I will be delighted if it is the Yes

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vote, obviously. If it is a No, then we will have to start all over

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again. When the polling stations closed,

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Yes supporters in Glasgow were still in party mood. A majority of the

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city did vote for independence. I'm not voting Yes, I'm voting aye! But

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by early morning, it had become clear which way Scotland had voted.

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The people of Scotland in response to the referendum question - should

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Scotland be an independent country - were in favour of No. It was a No

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vote. I'm disappointed, but I'm not shocked. I kind of expected it.

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There was always that hope that you might get it. Ah! Relieved. I would

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say that is the biggest feeling I have, relief. It continues. As

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Union. Thank you. After months and years of emotional

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campaigning, in the end it was the economic arguments which prevailed.

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It was long clear from all the polling evidence that if people were

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going to vote Yes, they had to be convinced of the economic case for

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independence. That's probably the principle reason why independence

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did not manage to win the day. With the world's media watching, the

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United Kingdom has faced its greatest constitutional challenge in

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300 years and survived, but the Union and the UK's relations with

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its nation states will never be the same again.

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Although the Scots had voted against independence, the appetite for

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change could not be ignored. We are looking at a remarkable

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moment in the sense that 45% of people in Scotland voted to leave

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the United Kingdom. The UK does need to be aware that it is a fragile

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Union. The people of Scotland have spoken. It is a clear result. So,

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now it is time for our United Kingdom to come together and to move

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forward. A vital part of that will be a balanced settlement, fair to

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people in Scotland because now the debate has been settled for a

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generation. No, it's not. No. Just as the people of Scotland will have

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more power over their affairs, so it follows that the people of England,

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Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over theirs. Standing

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outside the steps of Downing Street and saying that - it is another

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thing when he goes into the House of Commons and tries to pull three

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parties together. They didn't want the same as what he wants. What

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David Cameron had done was to tie the question of Scottish devolution

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to much wider, constitutional reform for the whole United Kingdom. A huge

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project that could make delivering the promise of new powers to

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Scotland problematic. I think the advice to Westminster is that if it

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wishes to cement its victory in Scotland, and is concerned to ensure

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that Scotland becomes a relatively contentive member of the Union, it

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should avoid adding Mr Cameron's rider. Many voters in Scotland,

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their interest in democratic politics at an all-time high, remain

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optimistic. They now expect the politicians to deliver real change.

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I really hope the result here in Scotland is one that creates change

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in the rest of the UK as well because I think the democratic

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process is here and the way that people have engaged in politics has

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undoubtedly been fantastic. It is an exciting time for Scotland

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and probably for the rest of the UK. There will be change in Scotland.

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There will be more powers in the Scottish Parliament. It is an

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exciting time. I hope that it will all work. But not everyone is

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convinced. Some think the Prime Minister's commitment to wider

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reform is designed to serve his own political ends and it seems bound to

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be opposed at Westminster. He's offered the break-up of the UK, not

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just in Scotland, but he's offering more power for Wales, Northern

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Ireland and England. He's gone one step further. If that is, which I

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think will be the case, undeliverable, then where do we go

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from here? The Scottish referendum has raised millions of voters above

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political cynicism. People of all ages have shown a hunger to take

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part. And a new-found belief they can bring about change. The

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consequences of disappointing them would be enormous. For me, as

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leader, my time is nearly over. But for Scotland, the campaign continues

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and the dream shall never die. I put my arms over my son

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and I put my leg over my daughter, then the footsteps got closer

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and closer A year on, those that survived

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the Westgate Mall attack in Nairobi for curious people like us.

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They just keep on coming.

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