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In 1978, a Polish cardinal was elected the first

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non-Italian pope for nearly half a millennium.

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Pope John Paul II ruled the Catholic Church for 27 years.

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It's a Church which requires its priests to be celibate

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and he took a tough traditional line on marriage and divorce.

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But he had a private side.

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"I think it's good you sent your letter by hand.

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"It contains things too deep for the censor's eyes."

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The Pope was writing to a married woman.

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They were close for more than three decades

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yet the extent of her role in the life

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of one of the most famous men in history has remained largely hidden.

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I do believe she completely fell in love with him.

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Tonight, for the first time,

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Panorama reveals the hundreds of letters and photos

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that tell the story of John Paul's closeness

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with Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka.

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The scoop of the century!

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Here is one of the handful of transcendentally great figures

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in public life in the 20th century,

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the head of the Catholic Church,

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in an intense relationship with an attractive woman.

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Wow!

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The letters have been hidden away in a Polish archive for years

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and part of the story is still being covered up.

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Her disappearance from the scene is almost like a...you know,

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a Soviet-style, you know, rubbing individuals out of the photograph.

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It really is quite extraordinary.

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This woman's story is one that you might never have been told.

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They were married in the mid-'50s in California.

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It's wonderfully characteristic of the date, isn't it?

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-Yes, it is, it is.

-Stunning wedding dress.

-Yes, yes.

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-And he's wearing a bow tie, isn't he? Yes, he is.

-Yes.

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Professor Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka was a writer and philosopher.

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She grew up in Poland but emigrated to the United States,

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where she married and had three children.

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'She died two years ago.

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'The Smiths became her firm friends and are her executors.'

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Our first impressions were that she was a towering intellectual.

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She considered herself a very important philosopher.

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There were very few women in the field of philosophy.

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-And she was used to getting her own way?

-She was.

-Yes.

-She was.

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There's no doubt about that.

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In 1973, she wrote to this man, Cardinal Karol Wojtyla,

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then Archbishop of the Polish city of Krakow,

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and later to become Pope John Paul II.

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She admired a book of philosophy he'd written,

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so she took off to Poland to meet him.

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I'm still struck by...

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It was quite a thing, wasn't it, I mean, to get on a plane?

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-Was that...?

-That was not unusual for her...

-Not at all.

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..to get on a plane and do something like this.

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This was part of her character.

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That's the way she tackled everything.

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That trip was the beginning of a relationship which

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lasted for more than 30 years.

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The story is told in a huge cache of letters John Paul sent to her.

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They've never been seen publically before.

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This is a picture that she had, near her bed, of Cardinal Wojtyla.

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In 2008, Anna-Teresa decided to sell the letters,

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and they were bought by the National Library of Poland for what

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we think was a seven-figure sum.

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Usually, when a library buys a really important archive

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about a figure of John Paul's stature,

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you'd expect a bit of a fanfare and the letters would be

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put on display and made available to scholars.

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These simply disappeared and it took months - years, indeed -

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of digging around to track them down.

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And if we hadn't knocked on the door of Poland's National Library

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and negotiated to see them,

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they might have stayed hidden for many years to come.

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The letters from Cardinal Wojtyla begin on a formal note.

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"Dear and esteemed professor, thank you very much for the article

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"The Three Dimensions Of Phenomenology."

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But the following year, when he wrote to her from Rome,

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he dropped her formal title and reversed her name.

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"Droga Tereso-Anno...

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"Dear Teresa-Anna, I would like to respond to four letters that

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"I received in July.

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"I have kept them and brought them with me to Rome.

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"I am reading them again as they are so meaningful and deeply personal."

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Eugene Kisluk is a New York-based consultant who

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advised on the sale of the letters.

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It is the first informal letter that he wrote to her.

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There's certainly intimacy established here in this letter.

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The tone of the letters change depending on where

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they were written.

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Any letter Cardinal Wojtyla sent from Krakow was likely to

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be read by the secret police.

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1970s Poland was a Communist state and the Church was the enemy.

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-TRANSLATION:

-His every step was watched.

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They installed wiretaps in his flat and his telephone was bugged.

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Every letter he received was intercepted and checked,

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both private and official.

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So, some of the letters were delivered by hand,

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often by the nuns who worked for the Cardinal.

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He and Anna-Teresa agreed to work together on a new expanded

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version of his book.

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They met several times a year

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and their correspondence became frequent.

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Sometimes, they wrote just after seeing each other.

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"I was very happy to see you yesterday...

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"I'd like to talk to you tomorrow, November 6th, at 4.30pm...

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"It's good we could talk on the phone before you went to America...

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"Despite the distance, it's a conversation...

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"PS, thank you very much for yesterday."

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Their relationship was on two planes. One was intellectual.

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The other one was personal and very emotional.

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They became very close to each other on both levels, in fact.

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And it was also very difficult for them to separate the two.

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Of course, the library only showed me his letters to her.

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I haven't seen Anna-Teresa's letters and reading Karol Wojtyla's

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on their own is a bit like reading a novel with half the pages torn out.

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But I do understand that, in the summer of 1975,

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so almost exactly two years after they first met,

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Anna-Teresa sat down on a park bench by the city walls of Krakow

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and wrote what one can really only describe as a love letter.

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She said that she desired to be in his arms

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and remain there in happiness.

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And she apologised for the fact that she had not yet managed to

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control her feelings and that yet, of course, is important

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because it means that the matter had been discussed before.

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The library denies the letter exists, but his subsequent letters

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show a struggle to keep the relationship in Christian bounds.

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The Watergate journalist Carl Bernstein got some

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sense of Anna-Teresa's importance in Karol Wojtyla's life

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when he interviewed her in the 1990s.

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But she batted one of his questions away.

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I finally said, "Were you in love with the Cardinal?"

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She said, "No, I never fell in love with the Cardinal.

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"To fall in love with a clergyman - there could be no success at all!"

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And I said, "No romantic feelings?"

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She said, "This question - it doesn't really apply.

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"How can you ask me such a silly question?"

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The evidence we have now from the archive shows it was anything

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but a silly question.

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I do believe she completely fell in love with him

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during the first phase of their relationship.

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I think that it's completely reflected in the correspondence.

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Marsha Malinowski negotiated the sale of the letters.

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For her to fall in love with him is completely understandable to me.

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He was handsome, he was powerful,

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he was on a track that was extraordinary, he was Polish.

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How could you not be taken with all that charm in one person?

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Karol Wojtyla had mixed freely with women as a teenager and a young man.

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He'd also formed a friendship with a psychiatrist called

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Wanda Poltawska, whom he wrote to often until his death.

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But the training for Catholic clergy when he became a priest was rigid.

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A perception was that even if you had a close association,

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a friendship, with a woman,

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this could be what was known as an "occasion of sin".

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And an occasion of sin was as bad as if you had actually done it.

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That training meant most priests would have been wary of such

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a close relationship.

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The most natural reaction would have been for him

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to terminate contact because, after all, the positions that they

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were in, he was a prince of the Church,

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someone that took vows of celibacy,

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and someone in his position would probably just withdraw completely.

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He didn't. Instead, he later wrote to her, "God gave you to me

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"and made you my vocation." And he let their friendship grow.

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He invited Anna-Teresa to join him on country walks or

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skiing holidays, all documented in the new photos we've been given.

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Clearly, there's an element of playing with fire

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when you've got a strongly heterosexual man

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and an attractive woman in a very intense relationship

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that is cultivated

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and which engages mind at a high level of intensity.

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There's danger everywhere.

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There's nothing in the letters to suggest that Cardinal Wojtyla

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ever broke his vow of celibacy. He was a man known for his iron will.

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But it's also clear he wanted to keep the relationship going.

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It's quite fragile.

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'We've discovered he gave Anna-Teresa

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'one of his most treasured possessions...'

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I suppose it's a holy relic.

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It is absolutely a holy relic.

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'..an item of devotional clothing known as a scapular.'

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-And it's Our Lady, isn't it?

-Yes, it is.

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It has to be one of the only true possessions the Cardinal had

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to give away.

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'He'd been given it by his father, who died when Karol Wojtyla was 20.'

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Thousands, possibly millions,

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of Catholics over the centuries wore it.

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I did myself when I was a teenager in Ireland.

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Obviously, for Wojtyla, it's associated with his father.

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It's a garment he wore next to the skin, under his clothing,

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so it's a very intimate gesture.

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The gift puts the strength of his attachment to

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Anna-Teresa beyond doubt.

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Over the years, he mentions the scapular ten times.

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"Last year, I was trying to find an answer to the words

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"'I belong to you.'

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"Finally, before leaving Poland, I found a way - a scapular."

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He said it allowed him to...

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"..accept and feel you everywhere in all kinds of situations,

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"whether you are close or far away."

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Anna-Teresa played an important role

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in his public as well as his private life.

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BELLS TOLL

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In 1976,

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Cardinal Wojtyla visited the United States for a Catholic conference.

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Anna-Teresa was determined to raise his profile.

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Her husband, Hendrik Houthakker, was a Harvard academic

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and had all the right political connections.

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The American cardinals Karol Wojtyla met would later help elect him pope.

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I think her impact on his career is beyond amazing.

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She was able to introduce him to all the most important people in

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the United States, and I think that that was of enormous importance.

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Anna-Teresa invited Cardinal Wojtyla to stay with her

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family at their country home outside a New England town called Pomfret.

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It was just the sort of outdoor life the Cardinal enjoyed.

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She told a local journalist about the visit many years afterwards.

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He was relaxing and enjoying nature.

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He was walking and sunning himself on the meadow,

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picking white berries, swimming.

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The photos we've been given suggest the future pope

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was at his most relaxed.

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He and Anna-Teresa went walking in the woods.

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It appears she told him of her feelings again

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because his letters afterwards suggest a man struggling

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to make sense of what she said in Christian terms.

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"My dear Teresa, I have received all three letters...

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"You write about being torn apart

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"but I could find no answer to these words..."

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The letter wrestles intensely with the meaning of the relationship.

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He justifies it by telling her she's a gift from God.

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"If I didn't have this conviction, some moral certainty of grace

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"and of acting in obedience to it, I would not dare act like this."

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Many priests deal with celibacy by forming strong attachments to

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women who are in some ways safe, who are in stable marriages and,

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therefore, they're not going to ask for marriage,

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they're not going to ask that you leave the priesthood.

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But those relationships are often exploitative of the woman.

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They make excessive emotional demands on the woman

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and they're often extremely unjust to the other partner,

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who is being deprived of that kind of intensity with their spouse.

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The work on the book went on.

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She'd leave her family behind several times a year to see him.

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Some of his letters are full of intimacy.

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"I decided that I would only answer when I am here in Rome.

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"When I am in Krakow,

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"I cannot answer the way I want for obvious reasons.

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"This is the reason for the conciseness...

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"Today I heard your voice when you called from Warsaw.

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"The telephone has the advantage that I can hear your voice,

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"but it doesn't last long enough,

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"so it cannot replace a letter or a real conversation."

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-ARCHIVE:

-'A pope has been elected.

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'The Vatican balcony becomes the centre of attention.'

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No-one expected a pope from outside Italy in October 1978.

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Karol Wojtyla was suddenly catapulted into one

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of the most high-profile positions in the world.

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He still found time that week to write personal letters

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among the one to Anna-Teresa.

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"I am writing after the event so that

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"a correspondence between us should continue...

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"I promise I will remember everything

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"at this new stage of my journey."

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'Anna-Teresa had something different on her mind.'

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A telegram...

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'On the day of John Paul's election,

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'she asked her publishers to rush out the book

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'they'd been working on.'

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"Take immediately book in production. Introduction follows."

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She wanted to move forward with that book, fast-forward it.

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-And it's sent to her publishers in the Netherlands?

-Mm-hm.

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But the Vatican mounted a legal challenge to The Acting Person,

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as the book was called.

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It wasn't just an argument about the way she'd changed it.

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It was about protecting the Pope's status.

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The notion that another person had, in fact, been

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the author of a very important document and,

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of all persons, a woman,

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would have been quite extraordinary and unacceptable.

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The lawsuit took years and the relationship cooled.

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Anna-Teresa wanted the Pope to stick up for her,

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and when he didn't, she felt betrayed.

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But even as he crisscrossed the world, he kept sending her cards

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at Christmas, Easter and on St Teresa's Day.

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May 1981.

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John Paul is hit four times in an assassination attempt.

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-NEWSREADER:

-'Shots were fired at the Pope,

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'and he's been seriously wounded.'

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'Pope John Paul II has been shot.'

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Anna-Teresa heard the news at home, and dropped everything.

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"I am overwhelmed by sadness and anxiety,

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"and want desperately to be close to you.

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"I arrive on Saturday, and my phone number is..."

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The letters tell us she was one of the few allowed into see John Paul

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as he recovered from surgery.

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Eventually, the old warmth returned,

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and she began visiting him again -

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sometimes with her children, sometimes alone.

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She would be in Rome and he would call and say,

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can you come for supper?

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And the Polish nuns would prepare very good little dinners

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in his private dining room, very simple.

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And did she feel that the Vatican resented the way she could...

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come in and out of his life like that?

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-Yes.

-I think so. Yes. Yes.

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FANFARE

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John Paul was a famously conservative pope.

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The growing number of divorces...

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The scourge of abortion...

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He also opposed relaxing the celibacy rule for priests.

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But we now know that he was enjoying a close companionship himself.

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As he aged, he and Anna-Teresa

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continued to trade ideas on philosophy.

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She'd also send photos and pressed flowers

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from her country home in Pomfret.

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More than a dozen of his letters look back to his time there in 1976.

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"I often wonder what is happening

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"beyond the ocean in Pomfret.

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"How you live. I am thinking about you,

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"and in my thoughts I come to Pomfret every day."

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I think he was very emotionally dependent on her,

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for a couple of reasons.

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I think his life was so isolated as he got older,

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and he was ailing.

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And there weren't really that many people who he could really talk with

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and could reminisce with.

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To feel as if he was a real human being,

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not just this pope who was in captivity.

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When people think about the celibacy of the Catholic clergy,

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they immediately think about the sexual dimension of it.

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Priests who've discussed it with me have invariably said

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that the issue is loneliness, the lack of relationship -

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they NEED to love somebody.

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Anna-Teresa believed her role went beyond providing emotional support.

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She was convinced she had a powerful influence on his thinking.

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When we're talking about her

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influence on him philosophically, she says, "As I see it,

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"this pontificate is run by my ideas."

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And she says, "Many of his other

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"philosophical ideas of this pontificate,

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"he has been, if not inspired,

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"at least in complete agreement with me."

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'Stanislaw Obirek is a former Jesuit priest

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'from John Paul's home city of Krakow.'

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It's a real paradox, isn't it?

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He related to her as an equal intellectually,

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and yet, in the way he ran the Church,

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he was quite dismissive, one might almost say,

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-of the role of women.

-Yes, this is very paradoxical.

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Tymieniecka was one of many women important in his life.

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I cannot understand

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why he was so conservative

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on the doctrinal level

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and so human, so liberal, so open

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on the personal level.

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-NEWSREADER:

-'The Vatican has just announced the

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'death of His Holiness...'

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'He was 84, and his papal reign was the third-longest...'

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John Paul II died in April 2005.

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Almost immediately, the process of

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writing Anna-Teresa out of history began.

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Her friends say she was at his bedside the day before she died.

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But you won't find any mention of that

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in the Vatican account of his last hours.

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One of the things that the Catholic Church most fears is scandal.

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The idea that the Pope had a woman friend

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must have been appalling to his entourage,

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and I would think they would have been very glad to...

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bundle her out of sight at the first opportunity.

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As Anna-Teresa disappeared, the pressure built to give John Paul

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an even more elevated status.

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At his funeral, thousands chanted "Santo subito" - "Sainthood now".

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John Paul's sainthood was pushed for by this man.

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Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz was John Paul's secretary for 40 years.

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The photos and letters show

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he witnessed their relationship at first hand.

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But she's not mentioned at all in his biography of the Pope.

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Just like John Paul,

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Stanislaw Dziwisz became the Archbishop of Krakow.

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His authority, his personal stature

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are intimately connected with

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those of John Paul II, so he has to

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keep this relationship going

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in the public mind.

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He and the Polish bishops used all their clout

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to put pressure on the Vatican.

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He said, within a year of the Pope's death, that he felt that

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in John Paul II's case, because his sanctity was so obvious,

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that perhaps it might be possible to go straight for canonisation.

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So, it was a kind of ecclesiastical version

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of what one might call pester power.

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The Vatican department

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called the Congregation For The Causes Of Saints

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decides who is a saint.

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It asks to see anything a candidate has ever written,

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public and private, to be sure of their holiness.

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The process has traditionally lasted decades, or even centuries.

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John Paul's was completed in just nine years -

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the fastest in modern times.

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Anna-Teresa sold her letters in 2008,

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when the process was well under way.

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What was that decision based on?

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She wanted to make sure that

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there was necessary funding for her family.

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How did the Church hierarchy react?

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Well, I think the Church hierarchy was quite upset.

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And she did receive a very disturbing phone call

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from, er, one of the Pope's most ardent and closest supporters,

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and he castigated her on the phone.

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This is someone whom she considered a friend.

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And it was, uh, it was very, very upsetting for her.

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There's a question mark over whether the letters were seen

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by those responsible for John Paul's canonisation,

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as they certainly should have been.

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Because they went straight from Anna-Teresa to the National Library

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in Warsaw, where they were kept under lock and key.

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The Vatican was coy when we asked.

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The man in charge of the canonisation would only tell us

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that it's up to individual Catholics

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to decide whether to send in documents,

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and said, quote, "All our duties were done."

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The National Library of Poland wouldn't say anything at all

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when we asked if the letters had been sent to the Vatican.

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So there's no confirmation they were examined before he became a saint.

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I think had they been known about,

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they would have presented a problem for the canonisation process

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and they might well have meant that it was halted.

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I don't think they'd have been a long-term barrier.

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I think they would have made a difference to the speed,

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which, in my view, was unseemly.

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The National Library of Poland

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dispute that this was a unique relationship.

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They say it was one of many warm friendships

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the Pope enjoyed throughout his life.

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So why, then, does one piece of this story remain buried?

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Anna-Teresa's letters to John Paul.

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I'd assumed that all of the letters in the archive

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here in the National Library in Warsaw

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were Karol Wojtyla's letters to Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka,

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and that hers to him would have been lost.

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But it turns out that they were, in fact, included in the archive

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that was given to the National Library.

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In fact, she kept copies of everything she sent.

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So, what's actually over there is - or should be -

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a full set of the correspondence, both sides of it.

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Pope John Paul told Anna-Teresa

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that parts of her letters were like pearls,

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worthy of being published.

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So, we asked - several times - to see her letters to John Paul.

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The Polish National Library bought the copyright for them,

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but won't tell us where they are,

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and threatened to sue us if we so much as quoted them.

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To criticise today Holy John Paul II

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is almost unthinkable.

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Stanislaw Obirek's experience may help explain that sensitivity.

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He was silenced by the Church in Poland

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after he criticised John Paul mildly at the time of his death.

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Poland's newly elected government is also nationalist and pro-Catholic.

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Do you think things have changed?

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I would say yes.

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It's worse now!

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After ten years, we have canonisation of John Paul II

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and we have a kind of euphoria

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around the Polish politicians.

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And most Poles are unwilling to say any critical words about him.

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We've hit a wall of silence. We wanted to know

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exactly how much public money was spent on the letters.

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The president's office helped negotiate the purchase,

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but they didn't want to be interviewed.

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We also wanted to speak to Cardinal Dziwisz.

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He knew of the sale in 2008.

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But he wouldn't talk either.

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You can certainly understand the concern of the Church

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at a bunch of grubby journalists like you and me

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rooting around in this stuff.

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When Carl Bernstein interviewed Anna-Teresa 20 years ago,

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she told him she was keeping John Paul's letters to her.

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She wouldn't let him see them,

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but even then, she feared the story they tell might be lost.

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She wanted their existence known. She wanted them kept safe.

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She told me about her fears that someone would try to steal them.

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I have no doubt that she would want the archive to be published one day,

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and to, uh, attract the interest of scholars and philosophers.

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Her letters, of course, are still hidden -

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though now there's bound to be pressure to make everything public.

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His still tell a compelling story.

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He was such an intensely vibrant human being.

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In a sense, one is rather in awe of the self-discipline

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that he evidently brought to that relationship.

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We're talking about Saint John Paul.

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This is an extraordinary relationship.

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It is out of the ordinary, in the papal context.

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It's not illicit.

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Nonetheless, it's fascinating.

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It changes our perception of him.

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Far from being written out of history,

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Anna-Teresa is now rewriting it from beyond the grave.

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