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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
upsetting. I feel anger over these stillbirths. | :00:08. | :00:18. | |
These are proper beautiful babies who should be alive. And if we can | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
do something, then we should be doing it now. | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
Britain has one of the highest levels of stillbirths in the | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
developed world. Every day in the UK nine apparently | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
healthy babies die in the womb. I was in a very bad place, thinking | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
my baby is dead, how can I give birth to him. This is supposed to be | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
a happy occasion. Tonight, on Panorama, we meet the doctors who | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
think they can save thousands of babies. We have the right treatment. | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
We have the right machinery to prevent many of the still bifrts | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
that we have now. It is -- stillbirths that we have now. It is | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
depressing we don't. They have been battling for years for the medical | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
establishment to take notice. . We believe this is a game changer. | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
We have saved over 500 stillbirths this year alone. That's ten a week. | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
But there is a lot more to go. But others say it is too soon. The | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
evidence just isn't there. If we have some great idea, if we | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
have some great new technique it is more important that we then generate | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
the evidence that will mean it is implemented. The NHS promotes | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
preventative medicine. Live-saving interventions are not being rolled | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
out with the momentum you might expect. | :01:42. | :01:58. | |
More than 750,000 babies are born each year in the UK. | :01:59. | :02:09. | |
For many of us, the greatest gift. The vast majority, like this little | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
one, arrive without complication. But during pregnancy, one in every | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
200 births encounter problems. Something that might not be detected | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
by the midwife or the expectant mother until it's too late. | :02:29. | :02:37. | |
This is where our kitchen area is going to be. Samantha hopes her | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
consultant has caught her problem in time. No-one is spared in lottery of | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
all of this - she is a nurse. Se is more than seven month -- she is more | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
than seven months pregnant and moving house. Uncertainty hangs over | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
everything. It has been stressful. We are having a baby and buying a | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
house at the same time. Was that planned? It was not going to be the | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
way it was. The baby has other ideas of when she will arrive, anyway. The | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
problem doctors have detected is that Samantha's baby is not getting | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
enough food and oxygen from her placenta. There's a chance her baby | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
will not be coming home. And they saw me at 28 weeks. That is | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
when it got scary. I asked, would I ever get to full term. Not a chance. | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
Whereas they might have said it differently. I can ask and because I | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
want to know the answers to the questions. It is the horrible | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
thought if she has died in my womb that I would have to give birth to | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
her. That is the horrible thought to give birth to a dead baby when you | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
look forward to an alive baby that is so much wanted and planned for. | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
Every year in the UK, over 3,000 babies die in their mother's womb. | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
This year, the figure is down slightly for the first time in two | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
decades. But experts in this programme say | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
they could save around half of all stillborn babies. | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
For the families involved, it is an intimate grief. Too painful to speak | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
of. There are no memories of their child | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
to mourn. But some find a way. At a peaceful | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
village hall in Leicester, on a spring day. | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
So, this is his little baby go that he went off to Nottingham in | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
straight off from the hospital. I have kept it. I have never washed | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
it. It is of coursely part of him. As you can -- of course, part of | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
him. As you can see it is dirty where I kept cuddling it. They make | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
memory boxes. Memories of children they never knew. There was a way to | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
find to print the pictures. Who do you ask? You cannot go and print | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
your picture like this. I did mine at ASDA. Like he is asleep. I didn't | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
think it would offend anybody queueing around me. There are | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
accounts of the final moments - they are heartbreaking. It was the night | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
before. I thought something didn't feel right. I had a cold glass of | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
Lucozade, like they say. I felt him move. I went to sleep happily. In | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
the morning when I woke up on the Saturday, something didn't feel | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
right in my heart. On the Thursday, I realised I hadn't | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
felt anything - no movements at all, which was very, very unusual. Louise | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
phoned me. I was at work. "I cannot feel the baby moving." I rushed | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
home, panicking. We went straight to the hospital. | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
They couldn't find the heart beat. First of all we saw a midwife who | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
tried to sort of strap me up to listen to the heart beat externally. | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
She couldn't... She didn't flap. She said, right, OK, let's get you | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
scanned. And then I don't really remember | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
very much. Then she went, I'll go and get the | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
consultant. That is when the penny dropped that something serious is | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
wrong. I didn't quite comprehend what the consultant said, so I had a | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
bewildered look on my face. I had to wait a few minutes for it to sink | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
in. Before that, you are so excited. You have so much hope. I was going | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
to be a stay-at-home dad. My life was about to change, for me in a | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
really positive way. And, you know, in a blink it had all gone. So, | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
absolutely devastating. I didn't look at the screen, but all | :06:54. | :07:11. | |
I remember is the sonography saying, "I am very sorry, guys." And that | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
was that. She said, "I am sorry Mrs Patel. | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
Your baby's dead." Reena Patel's baby, Mayan, could | :07:22. | :07:33. | |
have lived. At seven-and-a-half months he was perfectly formed, but | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
smaller than he should have been, because he had been starved of | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
oxygen and nutrients. It just wasn't spotted. It breaks my heart every | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
time I go to the graveyard to find another baby has been buried. | :07:48. | :07:55. | |
Every week or so, more baby coffins are brought down here and buried. | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
And it is the frequency that is so disturbing. There is a row here | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
where three babies died on consecutive days and another row | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
there, at the back, where three babies, all from different families, | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
died on the same day. There are shared baby graves like | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
this all over the country. More than half of hospitals use them. | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
You will think they must have been seriously ill with something | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
undetectable, something untreatable, but actually many of them were fully | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
formed, apparently healthy babies. You might be saying, surely it is | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
the same the world over - giving birth can be a risky business. | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
Actually, no, in the UK the figures for stillbirths are particularly | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
bad. In a study, out of 35 countries, Britain came 33rd. | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
Even though our stillbirth rate has reduced slightly in the last year, | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
that small decline has been out-performed in other countries. | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
Tonight, Panorama brings you three pioneering doctors with big ideas, | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
whose methods could change everything. Each is achieving | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
spectacular drops in the stillbirth rate. So, why are their methods not | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
being rolled out across the country, so that all can benefit? | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
To being rolled out across the country, | :09:27. | :09:27. | |
so that all can benefit? To some Degree the NHS is an oil | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
tanker. If you need to change practise, is not easy to do it. It | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
takes time. We are looking at the baby's head | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
down here. Even if I were to produce a study know to show we can make a | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
change, the evidence would suggest it would take 10-20 years before | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
practise changes. Britain is well known, in many | :09:50. | :10:01. | |
aspects of medicine and many aspects of science, for producing | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
pioneering, new developments. It is a sad day when the pioneers that are | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
producing the new evidence are not able to practise their discoveries | :10:12. | :10:12. | |
in this country. Obstetrician Professor Jason Gardosi | :10:13. | :10:31. | |
travels the world, from his base at the perinatal institute in | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
Birmingham. Today, he's on a mission on Scotland | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
to try and convince midwives and obstetricians to sign up to his | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
programme for reducing stillbirths in low-risk mothers, using a | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
low-tech and low-cost procedure. One of the main things that we were | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
up against when we started this a few years ago was that most | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
stillbirths were classified as unexplained. The implication of that | :11:03. | :11:10. | |
is unexplained equals unavoidable. For us, each stillbirth is a tragedy | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
which is like a plane crash and we wanted to investigate this as you | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
would in the airline industry. For us, the flight recorder, the | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
black box, was the case notes of the unfortunate mother. | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
Professor Gardosi and his team trawled through the case notes of | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
hundreds of stillbirths. They found that far from being unexplained, | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
many of the deaths were avoidable. And had come about as a result of a | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
failure in the mother's placenta. In the womb, the baby receives food, | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
nutrients and oxygen from the placenta. | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
If there is a problem and the blood flow is abnormal, the baby's growth | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
is likely to slow. The challenge is to spot which | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
babies are struggling and save them before it is too late. | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
Professor Gardosi tries to identify babies that are struggling, not | :12:16. | :12:25. | |
through invasive surgery or even through scans but through software | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
and something that most of us have in our own homes. A tape measure. | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
A mid-Wye, trained by Professor guard -- a midwife, trained by | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
Professor Gardosi talks us through the procedure. Sue is trying to | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
detect any problems with the growth of Ruby's baby, at 31 weeks. The | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
chart predicts the size a healthy baby should be. This is rub bi's -- | :12:50. | :12:57. | |
Ruby's individualised chart. This chart has been developed using her | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
height, her weight, at the beginning of pregnancy. Her ethnic origin and | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
how many babies she has had. All that, including ethnic origin | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
dictates the size you expect the baby to be. Yes. If it falls outside | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
these contours, then what? We may see the baby's growth has slowed or | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
suddenly increase. If I saw any of these I would refer Ruby for a scan | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
in the main antenatal clinic. If a growth problem is detected the | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
mother is scanned to establish the cause. OK, so this is where it was | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
on the chart last time you were measured. And we are going to | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
measure again. Are you happy to be measured? Yes. Let's do it again. I | :13:39. | :13:51. | |
measure the bump to the symphysis pubis. Ruby is 31 weeks. We plot 29 | :13:52. | :14:00. | |
sensy metres, which is on the 50th centile. On the middle. | :14:01. | :14:07. | |
Almost perfect. Professor Gardosi's charts have not won everybody over. | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
Despite the fact that hospitals which have adopted his methods in | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
the UK have seen their stillbirth rate drop by up to 22 2 2. About -- | :14:18. | :14:36. | |
22%. He estimates it is only 50 p per pregnancy. | :14:37. | :14:43. | |
On BBC Radio Berkshire, it is Anne Diamond. Thank you. I am Anne | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
Diamond. A special programme for you today about stillbirths. Every year, | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
3,000 babies in this country are stillborn, making it one of the | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
highest rates in the developed world... | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
It's not the first time there's been a problem rolling out a potential | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
life saver for babies across the UK. One summer morning in 1991, TV | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
presenter Anne Diamond found her baby boy, Sebastien, dead in his | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
cot. I went into Sebastien's bedroom and I could see he was in his cot, | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
face down, one little arm sticking out between the bars of the cot. | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
Nothing unusual there, until I went over and felt his arm. It was stone | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
cold. I then went to pick him up and he was like a stiff little statuism | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
knew immediate -- statue. I knew immediately that he was dead and had | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
been dead for a few hours. Just four months old, Sebastien had succumbed | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
to cot death. There was already a study under way in New Zealand, | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
which found you could cut 50% of cot deaths by turning your baby on its | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
back. Even so, the British Government of the day never told | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
mothers. They were waiting for more data, more proof. The Department of | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
Health here said well, hang on, we don't really have the data to prove | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
it. We think it might work, but we can't prove it. I later found that | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
our professionals in this country did know what was going on in New | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
Zealand, but me, living in London, I didn't know that. Why not? I found | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
that the professionals in our country were obsessed with wanting | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
more and more evidence. How come me, as a mum, was left ignorant, when if | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
I'd happened to live in New Zealand my baby might still be alive? I | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
don't think I'll ever forgive the British Government. Anne went into | :16:42. | :16:50. | |
campaign mode, going on TV and radio to demand change. Cot death is | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
compare Tivoli rare but there are few things more She made her tragic. | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
Own advert and finally managed to sting the Government into action. | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
The Department of Health's new leaflet explains how anyone who | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
looks after a young baby can help reduce the risk of cot death. How | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
many babies' lives were saved? We reckon certainly within the first | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
few years, 15,000 babies' lives were saved. Incredible. It was Now she | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
wants incredible. To get involved again, this time with stillbirths. | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
She's invited Professor Gardosi onto her show to give his message to the | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
listeners of radio Berkshire. Are you able to tell, yet, how many you | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
can save? What sort of a difference will this make, in numbers terms? | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
We've done it in the West Midlands and then we've done it in several | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
other regions that have picked up the training programme. Overall, in | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
the whole country, we are estimating if everybody picked up this fairly | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
simple but standardised evidence-based method, we can save a | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
thousand stillbirths each year. That is unbelievable. Why aren't we doing | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
something about this? Why isn't every hospital - I mean, it's so | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
simple. It's easy to carry out. You can train the professionals to do | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
it... Back in London, Samantha, at 34 weeks pregnant, has arrived at a | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
specialist unit in St George's Hospital to see if the blood flow | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
into her placenta is worsening and putting her baby at risk. The | :18:20. | :18:28. | |
consultant who will examine her is Professor Basky Thilaganathan, one | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
of the country's leading obstetricians. | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
I hope you don't mind my sitting in on this? No, you're welcome. Good to | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
see you. This piece of equipment, available in most hospitals, can | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
visualise and measure the blood flow between Samantha's placenta and her | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
baby. It's called a doppler scan. Sam came along mid-pregnancy for her | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
routine scan. We found that the doppler assessment of blood flow to | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
the womb indicated the placenta hadn't formed as well as it should | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
have done. The placenta is struggling a bit. Often when the | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
placenta fails, it's towards the end of pregnancy, like with Samantha. | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
That means their baby can be delivered early, often by Caesarean, | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
without the need for intensive care. The problem is most hospitals only | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
use doppler scans on high-risk women because those are the national | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
guidelines. Professor Thilaganathan and his team at St George's think | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
that's wrong and give toplers to all first-time mothers as well, like | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
Samantha, at an additional cost of just ?15 per pregnancy. | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
Is it possible that this baby could have been lost, if he were being | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
delivered in another hospital? It's a difficult question to answer, but | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
I think it is entirely possible that this baby could have been lost in | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
another She was fortunate hospital. To be here? Because not many | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
hospitals do what you do. No, that's true. That went well, didn't it? | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
Yeah, definitely. Really happy today. Baby's put on some weight and | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
everything is stable. You could be giving birth this time in three | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
Could be, but days. Hopefully not. I'd like to go another week, if | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
possible. Hopefully. Fingers crossed. Brilliant. Offering topler | :20:16. | :20:24. | |
scans to all first-time mothers, as well as those at high risk, seems to | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
have yielded a remarkable result. Over the last two years, we've had a | :20:30. | :20:37. | |
50% drop in stillbirths. 50%? A lot of Trusts would love that figure. I | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
think you're right. We'd-to have that. -- We'd love to have that. | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
Like with cot death, the decision makers want more data, more | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
evidence, something Professor Thilaganathan is prepared for. It's | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
difficult for me to proffer that -- to prove that the interventions | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
we're doing on the ultrasound base add preach are the very reason for | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
the drop in stillbirth. We need to get on and do proper studies to | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
ensure that is really what's Aren't you being happening. A bit modest? A | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
lot of people would say this is down to you and your techniques? I'd like | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
to that I that this is our intervention that has changed the | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
stillbirth rate. However, one must be cautious. I need to be absolutely | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
certain it is my intervention that caused the reduction in stillbirths. | :21:23. | :21:32. | |
But others are confident there's enough evidence out there already on | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
the life-saving use on dopplers. How are you? OK. You are the man | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
responsible? I am. Professor Kypros Nicolaides works at Kings College | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
Hospital in London. Many regard him as the father of foetal medicine. | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
Today, he's in the procedure room to operate on unborn twins. The | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
mother's placenta is feeding too much blood to one, too little to the | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
other. Doctors come from around the world to study his techniques. Can | :22:08. | :22:18. | |
you see? Going down the Tube. Then we need to look at the blood | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
vessels. Can you see that? He believes the UK's stillbirth rate | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
could be reduced dramatically almost overnight, if the medical | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
establishment were willing. He favours a similar method to | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
Professor Thilaganathan, a doppler scan, but in his case, three of them | :22:36. | :22:43. | |
at 12, 22 and around 33 weeks. We have demonstrated through extensive | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
research that you can identify more than 90% of those cases from the | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
12th week assessment. Do you think you could avoid therefore more than | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
50% of the stillbirths? We can easily avoid them. We can do so | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
through very simple adjustment in the way we deliver antenatal care. | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
With the support of his hospital administrators, he offers care | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
beyond the national guidelines, three doppler scans to all pregnant | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
women. But consultants who've tried to implement the same programme in | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
other hospitals have met with resistance. They had to stop because | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
they were outside the guidelines. People will be surprised that if | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
there are individual consultants who believe they have an improvement to | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
the guidelines, they're sometimes pressurised not to implement it. But | :23:39. | :23:47. | |
that is the case. The Department of Health told Panorama it's asked | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
Professor Nicolaides to submit his research so it can be considered for | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
wider use in the NHS. The NHS is very, very good. Many countries are | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
jealous of the care that you provide for the whole population. It is | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
against this background that you are discussing the issues of | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
stillbirths, but it is critical that we continue to improve the care that | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
we provide the Opportunities are being patients. Missed being at the | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
moment? I think that we must speed things up. The medical establishment | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
is wary of speed, even when the intervention is low risk and | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
nonsurgical. Professor Gordon Smith is one of their champions. He | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
supports change, buffer only when based on rigorous scientific | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
testing. This is some of our storage facility for the samples we've | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
collected. In his fridges could be the answer everyone's looking for. | :24:45. | :24:52. | |
He is studying samples from more than 4,000 placentas. It's already | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
taken six years. I think if we want to impact in the care of hundreds of | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
thousands of women in the UK and potentially millions of women around | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
the world, you have to have this level of activity, this seriousness | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
and to generate the highest quality evidence. This is the route we have | :25:09. | :25:16. | |
taken. His work is part of a ?12 million Government-funded research | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
programme. But he's keeping an eye on the work at St George's and | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
King's and suspects they might be onto something. My personal hunch is | :25:26. | :25:32. | |
that scans almost certainly will work, doppler scans will work well, | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
better than just growth scans and combining growth, doppler and blood | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
tests we'll be able to identify high-risk babies. We don't change | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
the care of 800,000 women based on a hunch. We have to provide the | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
evidence that what we want to do is safe, effective and cost effective. | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
If you were to get that strong evidence, how significant do you | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
think it will be globally? It could be very significant. There are | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
800,000 women giving birth in the UK each year. There's four million | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
women in the United States. There's millions of women around Europe. The | :26:02. | :26:08. | |
NHS isn't going to fund a large-scale intervention that hasn't | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
clearly been shown to be safe and effective. Samantha, how are you? | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
I'm good, thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. That is | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
fantastic. Samantha's fortunate, her hospital in London provided a | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
doppler scan when they were not required to and baby Lettie was | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
delivered five weeks early by Caesarean. Is she doing a lot of | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
crying? No, she only cries when she wants I'm still holding feeding. | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
These - they're for you! Thank you. You've waited a long time for this, | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
haven't you? There was probably a time when you thought it might not | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
happen? Yeah, it felt like a long way. It's all worked out in the end. | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
Very happy, very pleased. You'd better take her and feed her. | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
Definitely or she'll stark squawking. Better go. Thank you so | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
much. Bye, Lettie. If Samantha can benefit from such a low-cost | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
intervention, which has the endorsement of some of our leading | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
practitioners, isn't it time to make the change for everyone? Every | :27:11. | :27:20. | |
single hospital in England has the experts, the expertise and the | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
machinery to offer a much higher standard of care for the pregnant | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
women of this country. But this year, just like every other year, | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
many hundreds of babies will die in the UK, when potential solutions are | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
out there. I think it's stunning, the | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
similarity between what happened to me 20-odd years ago. We seem to be | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
onle brink with stillbirths -- on the brink with stillbirths of having | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
found a solution of being able to save many, many thousands of lives. | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
The fact that we, as a society, don't see it as important losing aI | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
baby. It's almost -- losing a baby. It's almost a natural tragedy that | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
you have to accept. Why accept it? The Department of Health declined to | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
take part in our programme but told Panorama: "The NHS is a safe place | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
to give birth with women reporting high levels of trust and confidence | :28:16. | :28:25. | |
in staff." They added, they've reversed the historic decline in | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
midwife numbers with a record number in training. | :28:29. | :28:36. | |
For details of organisations which offer advice and support, go online | :28:37. | :28:43. | |
to bbc.co.uk/actionline. Or call the BBC Action Line to hear recorded | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
information. | :28:47. | :28:49. |