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Three, two, one...

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It is Britain's most iconic brand,

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but has Rolls-Royce's success been fuelled by corruption?

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Their business model has been based on

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the systematic use of agents or middlemen

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to effectively try and bribe their way to contracts.

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We travel to places where Rolls-Royce

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is accused of paying bribes.

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He states the names of several companies

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that he received bribes from.

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One of those companies is Rolls-Royce.

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'We find the middleman who reveals how corruption wins business.'

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Wouldn't it be reasonable, then, for Rolls-Royce to say,

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"We don't know what they were doing"?

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They had to have known, they would have known.

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It's just the way it works.

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Mr Ginger?

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'And why would an arms salesman

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'pay a bag full of cash into a Swiss bank?'

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Was the money that went into your Swiss account a bribe?

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Was the money that went into that Swiss account,

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-was that a bribe, sir?

-Don't be ridiculous!

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CROWD CHANTS

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'People are on the streets in Rio.

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'The Brazilian President has just been forced from office

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'and the country is divided.'

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Fora Temer!

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'It is a political crisis caused by corruption.

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'For years, politicians and state officials have been taking bribes.'

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I never saw my countrymen so angry as in the last couple of years.

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If you are afraid of losing your job and then you watch TV and you see

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all these guys taking millions of dollars in bribes,

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you are going to feel angry - very, very angry.

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'Now the truth is coming out

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'and it doesn't look good for Rolls-Royce.

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'It all centres on Brazil's state oil company.

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'It's called Petrobras and it's huge.'

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This gives you a sense of the scale of the Petrobras operation.

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This facility is just off the coast of Rio.

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Petrobras is one of the biggest companies in South America,

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it produces two million barrels of oil every day

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and it does that using equipment

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supplied by foreign companies, like Rolls-Royce.

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'For Rolls-Royce, this was big business.

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'One contract alone was worth 100 million.

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'But to win contracts like this, companies were paying bribes.'

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TRANSLATION:

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'This is Pedro Barusco,

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'one of the Petrobras executives who handled the bribes.'

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'He's done a deal and named the companies who paid bribes.

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'This is the first time

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'the prosecutor has spoken about Rolls-Royce and Barusco.'

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I could point you towards a deposition

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where he states the names of several companies

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that he received bribes from. One of those companies is Rolls-Royce.

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'And Barusco told the authorities about that 100 million contract.'

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Rolls-Royce made some payments.

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He does not remember exactly who benefited

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from the division of bribes,

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but remembers he got at least 200,000 US dollars.

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'The Rolls-Royce bribes were paid by a middleman.

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'It was the standard way of moving the corrupt money.'

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With the foreign companies, the most common means to pay bribes

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would be to hire a consultant,

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and that person would be responsible to deliver the money

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to Petrobras directors or the politicians.

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'Prosecutors in Brazil say Rolls-Royce is co-operating.

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'But its reputation here has been badly damaged.'

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What do you think, then, of a company like Rolls-Royce

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that's paying bribes to get contracts?

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I think they are a big part of the problem.

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Perhaps even a bigger part than the Brazilian government is,

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in the sense that... Come on! We're talking about

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VERY rich companies, you know, very powerful.

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They operate everywhere across the globe.

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So they come to Brazil to do that?!

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They are just like the bad companies in Brazil.

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I mean, that's awful!

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'So how has Rolls-Royce ended up in this position?

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'The company doesn't make cars any more - that was sold to BMW.

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'This promotional video shows what Rolls-Royce is famous for now -

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'building engines for aircraft.

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'It employs 23,000 people in the UK.'

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Every day, aircraft are taking off with British wings,

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British landing gear, Rolls-Royce engines.

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We can be incredibly proud of this industry.

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'Up until a couple of years ago, growth was spectacular.

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'In 15 years, the company's sales tripled,

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'profits increased fivefold.'

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Rolls-Royce is that sort of Great British tradition

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of engineering excellence which I think people really respect.

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It is a respected and trusted brand.

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The company has been through phenomenal growth.

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It entered into new markets, it went into new geographic territories

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and it became a real global power.

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'But serious questions are being asked

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'about just how Rolls-Royce managed to grow so quickly.

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'Alongside The Guardian newspaper,

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'we've been investigating the company.'

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We've got evidence that Rolls-Royce was using dubious middlemen

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to win contracts in countries where corruption was widespread.

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One of Britain's most prestigious companies

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was bribing its way around the world.

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'In 2013, the Serious Fraud Office in the UK started investigating

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'the way Rolls-Royce had won contracts for jet engines.

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'A former Rolls-Royce employee

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'claimed big bribes had been paid in Indonesia.

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'He said 20 million was given

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'to the former president's son Tommy Suharto

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'to make sure Indonesia's main airline used Rolls-Royce engines.'

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The fact that there is credible evidence from inside the company

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that the company is paying bribes

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to people very closely linked to senior politicians

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suggests, in all instances, prima facie evidence of corruption.

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'Tommy Suharto has denied the allegations, but in 2011,

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'a second whistle-blower, using the cover name Soaringdragon,

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'suggested Rolls-Royce had paid bribes

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'to win contracts at two airlines in China.

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'According to Soaringdragon,

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'a middleman paid bribes to a Chinese airline executive.'

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The Chinese authorities investigated

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and the airline executive involved was convicted of taking bribes.

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Now, he has been jailed for life,

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but no action has been taken against Rolls-Royce.

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'Crucial parts of the case have been kept secret,

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'including the name of the company paying the bribes,

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'but Rolls-Royce secured contracts worth 2 billion

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'from two Chinese airlines

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'in the same period that the bribes were paid.'

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If one puts the information

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that we have been able to glean from the court case,

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in which someone was sentenced to a life term for corruption,

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if we look at the sort of aircraft involved,

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the sorts of engines that that aircraft uses,

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if we look at the allegations made by Soaringdragon,

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that were instrumental to this court case,

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all of those things together point to Rolls-Royce.

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'Rolls-Royce says it's fully co-operating with the authorities

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'and cannot comment on ongoing investigations.

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'It says it completed

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'a thorough review of its anti-corruption policies,

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'including the use of advisers and intermediaries.

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'Rolls-Royce has sold equipment

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'in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet.

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'It used middlemen to help.

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'I've come to the south of France

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'to meet someone who knows how it works.'

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Right now, I'm probably the only guy that is stepping up to the plate,

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kind of giving you a kind of inside look

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from my perspective on how it worked when I was there.

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'Lindsey Mitchell used to work for a Monaco-based company called Unioil.

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'It's also under investigation by the Serious Fraud Office.'

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You know, you became the guy that had the connections.

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'Unioil worked for Rolls-Royce

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'in countries like Iraq, Angola and Kazakhstan.'

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Just beyond this FedEx truck, on the right-hand side,

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is the Unioil office.

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-Just down there?

-Yeah. Right in there.

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'This is the first time Lindsey has talked about

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'the corruption he saw when he worked here.'

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Strange to see it again?

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Very strange.

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'He is about to make an extraordinary confession.

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'He bribed an oil official to try to help a client win business.'

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I don't call it a bribe, I call it a facility payment or commission,

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but in layman terms, it would be called a bribe.

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I...made the payment at the gentleman's house

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at 11 o'clock at night, dropped it off.

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How heavy was the envelope?

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Thick.

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-Thick with money?

-Yeah.

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I just dropped it off, "Here is your gift," yeah.

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And what did he say?

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"Thank you, let's have a coffee."

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So we had a coffee.

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And that's it?

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-That's it.

-That how it works?

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That's how it works.

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But Unioil was happy to pay that bribe?

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They were happy to pay the facility payment.

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'Rolls-Royce wasn't one of Lindsey's clients,

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'but he believes Unioil paid bribes for Rolls-Royce too.'

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If they are representing Rolls-Royce,

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it would be Unioil's responsibility

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to make sure that the commissions, the facility payments,

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and/or you want call them bribes,

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were made to the proper officials to make the...

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er...

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the sale.

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Would it be reasonable, then, for Rolls-Royce to say,

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"Look, we went to Unioil to get us work,

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"we don't know what they were doing"?

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They had to have known, they would have known.

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Someone within the management of Rolls-Royce or any other company

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that Unioil represented knew there was facility payments

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or commissions being paid to get business.

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It's just the way it works.

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'There is evidence that appears to support what Lindsey is saying.

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'Unioil e-mails that were leaked to the Fairfax Media Group

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'suggest paying bribes was commonplace.

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'And some involve Rolls-Royce.

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'This document shows Unioil put aside 284,000

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'for middlemen or sub-agents on a Rolls-Royce job in Iraq.

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'And this e-mail shows how gifts were bought

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'for an official involved with the contract.'

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Mr X is our key contact to obtaining the current contract

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valued at 17 million,

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and I am pursuing him hard for the next set of turbines

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valued in excess of 23 million.

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'The e-mails show that Unioil took the official shopping in London,

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'spending more than 2,000 on luxury goods.

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'They even spell out why they are doing it.'

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Spending 2,684 on a key decision-maker

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is worth 100 times that value,

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without which we would have no contract in our hands now.

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The value of that jacket starts to show now.

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"Spending 2,700 on a key decision-maker

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"is worth 100 times that value,

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"without which we would have no contract in our hands now."

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-These are all internal Unioil e-mails?

-That's right.

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They refer to people who are working on Rolls-Royce accounts.

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'We showed the evidence to a bribery expert.'

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The e-mail is describing

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gifts entirely intended to secure business.

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When there's quite clearly stated

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the object of giving the gifts is to get access to a decision-maker

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who might otherwise not favour your business,

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then it plainly is intended to induce a positive decision.

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Some of the numbers are quite small, just over 2,000,

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things like a leather jacket.

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It seems very small amounts.

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It doesn't matter.

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What matters is the purpose for which the gift is given.

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If the expectation is, and plainly what these e-mails reveal,

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is that these things were done

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with a clear expectation of business being granted,

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that's bribery.

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'Unioil told us any allegations of corruption are denied

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'and it would be inappropriate to make further comment

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'because of the ongoing investigation.

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'The company...'

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Rolls-Royce faces questions around the world

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about the way it does business,

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but some of the biggest are here in India.

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'Rolls-Royce has already been caught out here.

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'In 2014, it offered to pay back £1.8 million commission

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'that it had secretly paid to a middleman.'

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Rolls-Royce actually wrote,

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offering the return of the money that it had paid in those deals.

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Is the suggestion, then,

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that there were bribes involved, that there were kickbacks?

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Why was the agent being paid that kind of money

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if it was not something illegal?

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'The most serious questions relate to the biggest deals

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'and, for Rolls-Royce, they're often defence contracts.'

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No big defence deal takes place without money changing hands.

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Defence deals are big deals.

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Most of government consists of small-ticket items,

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building a bridge here, or building a road there,

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but once you come to defence,

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you suddenly get into multi-million dollars,

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or 10 billion, 5 billion,

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so the payoffs there are huge.

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CROWD CHEERS

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'Rolls-Royce supplies engines for the Hawk jet used by the Red Arrows.

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'The Indian government bought 123 of them

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'and that earned Rolls-Royce around £400 million.

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'David Cameron was in India to celebrate.

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'It's just one of Rolls-Royce's defence deals in India

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'and, once again, they are said to involve a secretive middleman.

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'He is a London-based billionaire who has built a business empire -

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'Sudhir Choudhrie. Here he is,

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'picking up a business achievement award from Theresa May.'

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The entire community was there, the Asian community,

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and everyone was very delightful.

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'The Choudhrie family

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'has given more than £1.6 million to the Liberal Democrats

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'and Mr Choudhrie is now an adviser on India

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'to party leader Tim Farron.'

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Sudhir Choudhrie is a most important defence agent in India

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and he probably is among the world's most powerful arms agents today.

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He is a global figure.

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We are talking about billions of dollars of money worth of deals.

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'But Sudhir Choudhrie

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'was not registered as a defence agent in India.

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'It is illegal to pay secret middlemen to win defence contracts,

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'but that seems to be what Rolls-Royce was doing.'

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When the defence scam surfaced in this country,

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the ministry and the government banned agents

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and they said companies have to deal

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through recognised offices opened in the country.

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They are not allowed to deal through these little agents, you know,

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who represent opportunities for unseen diversion of funds.

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'A man who knows India's murky world of agents agreed to meet me.

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'He wanted to remain anonymous, but what he told us

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'links Sudhir Choudhrie to both Rolls-Royce and the Hawk deal.'

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Does Sudhir Choudhrie work for Rolls-Royce?

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I was approached by someone from the Sudhir Choudhrie team in India.

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They wanted an introduction to government.

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It was to do with the Hawk deal.

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They were representing Sudhir Choudhrie, it was very clear.

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Why would Rolls-Royce hire such a guy?

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Why does it need a consultant with a shady background?

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'Panorama understands Rolls-Royce secretly paid around £10 million

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'to companies owned by the Choudhrie family.

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'Now, Mr Choudhrie denies being paid by Rolls-Royce,

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'but he hasn't answered our question

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'about payments going to family companies.

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'We've also found out

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'what the Indian authorities think of Mr Choudhrie.

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'Rolls-Royce's man in India

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'is officially suspected of corrupt or irregular practices.'

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We've got hold of the government's secret list

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of undesirable contact men.

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Now, it warns civil servants and government ministers

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to take extra care when dealing with such unscrupulous persons.

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Sudhir Choudhrie is on that list.

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It's a blacklist of men with whom

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government employees or officials should not deal with,

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men who should not be given any contracts, and Sudhir Choudhrie

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has had a very prominent position in the UCM list for years.

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Why is he on the list?

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For the fact that he is known and is accused of

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manipulating defence procurement.

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So why was Rolls-Royce involved with someone like Sudhir Choudhrie?

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For a company like Rolls-Royce to be using, as a middleman,

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somebody who clearly has a very poor reputation

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suggests that they have very few scruples

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about the way they go about their practice of business in India.

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'Mr Choudhrie's lawyers told us he...

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'And on the Undesirable Contact Men list,

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'they said he has...

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'In 2014, Sudhir Choudhrie was arrested in the UK as part of

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'that Serious Fraud Office investigation into Rolls-Royce.

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'His son Bhanu Choudhrie was arrested, too.

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'Both men were released without charge.

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'They both own houses in this exclusive London square.'

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We have found evidence that suggests Bhanu Choudhrie

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may have helped Rolls-Royce win that multi-million-pound Hawk deal

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and it involves paying what on the face of it looks like a bribe.

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'It centres on this man, Peter Ginger.

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'He played a key role in selling

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'military jets with Rolls-Royce engines to the Indian government.

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'We've discovered that Mr Ginger visited Switzerland

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'with Bhanu Choudhrie in 2007.

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'He opened a Swiss bank account under the name of Portsmouth

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'and paid in a large quantity of cash.

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'His account later showed a million Swiss francs.

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'A source at the bank agreed to speak to us anonymously.'

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The documents do show one bank account

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containing hundreds of thousands of Swiss francs

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opened for Peter Ginger.

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I understand that Peter Ginger lodged all of this money in one go,

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in cash, in Switzerland.

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'So did all that cash have anything to do with Rolls-Royce?

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'We asked Peter Ginger what he was doing in Switzerland

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'with Bhanu Choudhrie, the son of Rolls-Royce's man in India...'

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Sorry, sir.

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'..but he wouldn't answer the question...'

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So, Mr Ginger, I think, is just over here.

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'..so I caught up with him for a chat.'

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Mr Ginger?

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Hiya, I'm Richard Bilton from BBC Panorama.

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Can I ask you a quick question?

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-You...

-No, I can't talk to you,

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you know I can't talk to you, and please take me off camera.

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You put cash worth hundreds of thousands of pounds in your Swiss...

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-No, I'm not...

-Was that a bribe, sir?

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-Don't be ridiculous!

-Was it a bribe? Now's your chance to tell us.

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I'm interested. Don't touch that, just tell me the truth.

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Did you...? Was that a bribe? Did that money come from...?

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I am... Look, you've asked me the questions,

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it's now with my lawyer.

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I'm not answering any questions, my lawyer will answer the questions.

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You've received a letter from him.

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'His lawyer has never contacted us.'

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-You haven't responded...

-I don't... I will not respond!

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Yeah, but you did tell us something that's untrue, because you told us

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that you hadn't been to Switzerland with Mr Choudhrie and you had.

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-Go away!

-What did Mr Choudhrie want?

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-Go away.

-What did Mr Choudhrie want, sir?

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I'm getting into a taxi, don't follow me.

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Was the money that went into your Swiss account a bribe?

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-The lawyer...

-I'm not pushing you.

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Was the money that went into that Swiss account,

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-was that a bribe, sir?

-Don't be ridiculous!

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I've told you that before.

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Deal with my lawyer.

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'Mr Ginger told us he has never acted for Rolls-Royce

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'or had any financial dealings with the company

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'and he says he's never taken nor paid any bribes.

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'Bhanu Choudhrie's lawyers told us

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'he's never been paid to secure deals for Rolls-Royce in India,

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'including the sale of Hawk jets.

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'They add Mr Choudhrie has...

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'..and has no knowledge of Mr Ginger's banking arrangements.

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'The Serious Fraud Office

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'now has 30 investigators on the Rolls-Royce case.

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'There is a separate investigation in the United States.

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'Rolls-Royce could face enormous fines.

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'Employees past or present could be jailed.'

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Why should our viewers care if a company like Rolls-Royce,

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an iconic UK brand, is using middlemen to pay bribes?

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They should care because Rolls-Royce is, or should be, better than that.

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It's an important brand and it's a brand that should be entirely clean.

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'Rolls-Royce says it...

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'..and has intensified its...

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'It says it has...

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I think it's extremely unfortunate the way Rolls-Royce has behaved.

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I think their business model has been based on

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the systematic use of agents or middlemen

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to effectively try and bribe their way to contracts.

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I think that that makes,

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not only United Kingdom, but the world in which we trade,

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a more corrupt place, a less democratic place

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and a far more volatile and unstable place in which to do business.

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'The golden years for Rolls-Royce seem to be over.

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'The company has issued five warnings about falling profits

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'in the last two years.

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'It's now under scrutiny as never before.

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'Bribing its way around the world

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'is no longer an option for Rolls-Royce.'

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