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Nobody knew who this man was. | 7:01:02 | 7:01:04 | |
We have got no identity documents, no indication where he's from. | 7:01:06 | 7:01:10 | |
And any family. | 7:01:10 | 7:01:11 | |
Until we identified him from an old high school picture. | 7:01:13 | 7:01:16 | |
-That's Roger. -Are you sure? -No question about it. | 7:01:18 | 7:01:22 | |
So how did an American with dementia, end up lost in England? | 7:01:22 | 7:01:26 | |
This is a big, burly macho man, in tears, | 7:01:26 | 7:01:29 | |
saying, "Who does this to their parents?" | 7:01:29 | 7:01:33 | |
We uncover the shocking truth. | 7:01:33 | 7:01:35 | |
Kevin, we need to find out what happened to your dad. | 7:01:36 | 7:01:39 | |
Did you dump your father in England, Kevin? | 7:01:39 | 7:01:42 | |
Of how an elderly man was dumped on the British care system | 7:01:42 | 7:01:45 | |
by his family. | 7:01:45 | 7:01:47 | |
Kevin, you're looking incredibly sinister, | 7:01:47 | 7:01:49 | |
take your mask off and speak properly. | 7:01:49 | 7:01:53 | |
Wow, look how far that is now. | 7:02:01 | 7:02:03 | |
Look how far... | 7:02:05 | 7:02:08 | |
Look at that fire... | 7:02:09 | 7:02:11 | |
This man doesn't know who he is. | 7:02:11 | 7:02:13 | |
And neither does anyone else. | 7:02:15 | 7:02:17 | |
-Yes, thank you, yeah. -Yeah, it's good. | 7:02:21 | 7:02:24 | |
-Yeah. -Great. -He has an American accent but was found with no ID. | 7:02:24 | 7:02:30 | |
Dressed in brand-new clothes from Tesco. | 7:02:30 | 7:02:34 | |
We have a person, we have a possible name, but nothing else. | 7:02:34 | 7:02:39 | |
We have got no identity documents, no indication where he's from. | 7:02:39 | 7:02:43 | |
And any family. | 7:02:43 | 7:02:44 | |
When we filmed him last March, | 7:02:47 | 7:02:48 | |
he'd been in this nursing home in Credenhill for four months. | 7:02:48 | 7:02:53 | |
He'd only mentioned a full name once. Roger Curry. | 7:02:55 | 7:02:59 | |
Everyone calls him Roger, but nobody knows if that's his real name. | 7:03:02 | 7:03:07 | |
He was found close to the bus station in Hereford, | 7:03:11 | 7:03:14 | |
and taken to hospital. | 7:03:14 | 7:03:15 | |
We trawled through the CCTV, we've done a press appeal, | 7:03:17 | 7:03:21 | |
we've also contacted the National Crime Agency, | 7:03:21 | 7:03:25 | |
we have gone to Interpol. We've done a fingerprint search, | 7:03:25 | 7:03:28 | |
done a DNA search that hasn't yielded any results. | 7:03:28 | 7:03:32 | |
-None at all? -None at all. | 7:03:32 | 7:03:33 | |
Doctors diagnosed dementia but physically Roger was in good shape. | 7:03:35 | 7:03:40 | |
His nails were fine, his hair had been cut, his skin was impeccable. | 7:03:41 | 7:03:45 | |
He'd been looked after. | 7:03:45 | 7:03:46 | |
The first night that he came in, he kind of sat himself back | 7:03:46 | 7:03:50 | |
in the chair and was quite happy to have | 7:03:50 | 7:03:53 | |
a cup of tea and have something to eat and just sit and watch the TV. | 7:03:53 | 7:03:56 | |
Roger's illness means he can't tell his story. | 7:03:57 | 7:04:01 | |
But I want to get to the bottom of it. | 7:04:01 | 7:04:04 | |
Was it snowing earlier on, did I hear you say? | 7:04:08 | 7:04:10 | |
Yeah. It's smoking because... | 7:04:12 | 7:04:16 | |
It's smoking because of the... Because of the fire? | 7:04:16 | 7:04:20 | |
You speak with an accent from America, are you American? | 7:04:24 | 7:04:29 | |
Five. | 7:04:29 | 7:04:30 | |
Five? | 7:04:30 | 7:04:32 | |
'I want to find out who really is, and how he ended up here.' | 7:04:32 | 7:04:36 | |
Do you have any memories of your family? | 7:04:36 | 7:04:38 | |
I can't imagine this is easy for you. | 7:04:49 | 7:04:54 | |
Have you learnt anything about him, since he's come here? | 7:04:54 | 7:04:58 | |
Nothing at all. He's a blank canvas. Completely blank. | 7:04:58 | 7:05:03 | |
What happens if he is identified? | 7:05:05 | 7:05:07 | |
And if he has another family and he has to leave here? | 7:05:07 | 7:05:11 | |
It will be devastating. But then, you know, because the staff... | 7:05:12 | 7:05:16 | |
We've adopted him. | 7:05:16 | 7:05:18 | |
And for Roger, it's wonderful, but, you know, he's become our Roger and... | 7:05:18 | 7:05:23 | |
Yeah... | 7:05:24 | 7:05:25 | |
Roger, thank you very much. | 7:05:27 | 7:05:29 | |
'Roger may have a family out there who are desperately searching for him.' | 7:05:29 | 7:05:33 | |
You're a gentleman. | 7:05:33 | 7:05:35 | |
'Or he may have been abandoned by somebody who doesn't want to | 7:05:35 | 7:05:38 | |
'pay for his care.' | 7:05:38 | 7:05:39 | |
-OK? -Yes, Kenneth. | 7:05:39 | 7:05:42 | |
Are you doing OK? | 7:05:44 | 7:05:46 | |
Oh, I hope so. | 7:05:46 | 7:05:48 | |
There have been many stories about Roger in the press. | 7:05:52 | 7:05:56 | |
But still, no answers. | 7:05:56 | 7:05:57 | |
The night that I visit Roger, BBC Midlands puts out a fresh appeal. | 7:06:00 | 7:06:04 | |
Who is this man? | 7:06:06 | 7:06:08 | |
International efforts to find out are floundering. | 7:06:08 | 7:06:12 | |
..Mention the name Roger Curry but no-one knows if that's correct. | 7:06:12 | 7:06:16 | |
The story gets a big response from viewers. | 7:06:19 | 7:06:22 | |
You can see from this BBC Facebook page, exactly how much interest this | 7:06:24 | 7:06:28 | |
story has generated. So many different posts, | 7:06:28 | 7:06:31 | |
so many different theories, as to exactly who Roger Curry really is. | 7:06:31 | 7:06:35 | |
But there is one post here, among the dozens, | 7:06:35 | 7:06:38 | |
that is particularly intriguing. | 7:06:38 | 7:06:40 | |
It features a photograph this woman has found... | 7:06:40 | 7:06:43 | |
Of a younger Roger Curry, and you know what? | 7:06:43 | 7:06:46 | |
It really does look like him. | 7:06:46 | 7:06:48 | |
The picture comes from a 1958 American high school yearbook. | 7:06:51 | 7:06:56 | |
It's the same name, but is it the same man? | 7:06:56 | 7:06:59 | |
This is the town of Edmonds in the far north-west of the USA. | 7:07:08 | 7:07:11 | |
It's where the Roger Curry pictured in the yearbook | 7:07:16 | 7:07:19 | |
went to high school. | 7:07:19 | 7:07:21 | |
There's a woman here... Name is Helen... | 7:07:30 | 7:07:34 | |
and she looks after the web pages for the class of 1958. | 7:07:34 | 7:07:41 | |
Edmonds High School. | 7:07:41 | 7:07:43 | |
-Hello, Helen? -Hi, yes. -How are you doing? | 7:07:43 | 7:07:45 | |
-Darragh Macintyre, Lovely to meet you. -Nice to see you. | 7:07:45 | 7:07:47 | |
Thank you very much for giving me some time. | 7:07:47 | 7:07:49 | |
I'm anxious to hear what you've learned about Roger. | 7:07:49 | 7:07:52 | |
Well, you might be able to help me too. | 7:07:52 | 7:07:53 | |
Helen Gregory Nopson was in the same year as Roger. | 7:07:53 | 7:07:56 | |
Oh, you've got the yearbook out. Yes. | 7:07:56 | 7:07:59 | |
Her husband, Jim, was in the same class. | 7:07:59 | 7:08:01 | |
-This must be Jim, is it? -This is Jim. -Jim, hello. How are you? | 7:08:01 | 7:08:04 | |
-Lovely to meet you. -Actually a classmate of... -Roger's, as well? | 7:08:04 | 7:08:08 | |
They've got the original 1958 high school yearbook. | 7:08:09 | 7:08:13 | |
This is a picture of him right here. | 7:08:15 | 7:08:18 | |
That the Roger Curry? | 7:08:20 | 7:08:21 | |
Now, do you recognise this man from this photograph here? | 7:08:25 | 7:08:30 | |
-I saw a resemblance. -Yeah. -I saw it in the jawline here. In his chin... | 7:08:30 | 7:08:36 | |
-It almost looks like he's got the little... -Dimple. -Dimple on it. | 7:08:36 | 7:08:40 | |
And you can see the dimple here, yes. | 7:08:40 | 7:08:42 | |
-And a wide mouth. -Do you have any memory of him from high school? | 7:08:42 | 7:08:46 | |
-Not really. -Not at all. | 7:08:47 | 7:08:50 | |
-No-one's heard anything about him since we graduated. -No. | 7:08:50 | 7:08:54 | |
-He was a mystery man even then? -Yeah. | 7:08:54 | 7:08:57 | |
When we match the pictures up, the likeness is striking. | 7:08:59 | 7:09:05 | |
Roger Curry's high school is long closed... | 7:09:08 | 7:09:11 | |
But we found an address in Edmonds where we think he used to live. | 7:09:11 | 7:09:15 | |
I think it's this house here. It's that small little house just there. | 7:09:17 | 7:09:22 | |
That is the house... | 7:09:26 | 7:09:28 | |
..that I believe young Roger Curry grew up in. | 7:09:30 | 7:09:34 | |
Let's go and see if anyone here has any memory of Roger. | 7:09:34 | 7:09:41 | |
It's definitely the right house. | 7:09:52 | 7:09:54 | |
But I don't think anyone has been here for a long time. And if this... | 7:09:54 | 7:09:58 | |
was Roger's home, of course... | 7:09:58 | 7:10:00 | |
His connection here goes back more than 50 years. | 7:10:01 | 7:10:04 | |
We've traced the Roger Curry from Edmonds and found | 7:10:08 | 7:10:11 | |
he moved 1,000 miles down the West Coast to California. | 7:10:11 | 7:10:16 | |
I'm on my way to LA. | 7:10:21 | 7:10:23 | |
So, the key to unlocking this puzzle appears to be in Whittier, | 7:10:31 | 7:10:36 | |
a suburb of Los Angeles. | 7:10:36 | 7:10:38 | |
And that's where we're going right now. | 7:10:38 | 7:10:40 | |
Whittier is often used as a backdrop for films. | 7:10:47 | 7:10:50 | |
Like the Back To The Future movie. | 7:10:50 | 7:10:52 | |
It's classic suburban America. | 7:10:56 | 7:10:58 | |
The street I'm looking for | 7:11:06 | 7:11:07 | |
is the picture of middle-class respectability. | 7:11:07 | 7:11:10 | |
But one house stands out... Number 14817. | 7:11:15 | 7:11:20 | |
It's been abandoned after a fire. | 7:11:20 | 7:11:22 | |
This is Roger Curry's listed address. | 7:11:26 | 7:11:28 | |
So, is he the man found lost in England? | 7:11:32 | 7:11:35 | |
DOG BARKS | 7:11:38 | 7:11:40 | |
-Hello. -Hi, how are you? -Jerry, isn't it? -Yes. | 7:11:41 | 7:11:45 | |
Darragh Macintyre from the BBC. | 7:11:45 | 7:11:47 | |
'I want to see if the neighbours recognise our Roger.' | 7:11:47 | 7:11:50 | |
Can I show you these photographs? | 7:11:51 | 7:11:54 | |
That's a photograph taken of Roger when he came into the hospital, | 7:11:54 | 7:11:58 | |
this is him in the nursing home some time afterwards. | 7:11:58 | 7:12:01 | |
-That's Roger, no question. -Are you sure? | 7:12:01 | 7:12:03 | |
-Oh, no question about it. No doubt. -100%? | 7:12:03 | 7:12:06 | |
I am 100% sure that is Roger. | 7:12:06 | 7:12:09 | |
-He looks quite well there. -He does. He looks real good, actually. | 7:12:09 | 7:12:13 | |
-So, you are certain that that's him? -Oh, yes. | 7:12:13 | 7:12:16 | |
So, the unknown man has finally been identified. | 7:12:19 | 7:12:23 | |
Roger was a nurse and has a wife and two children. | 7:12:26 | 7:12:29 | |
But how did he end up in England? | 7:12:33 | 7:12:35 | |
Another neighbour tells us that Roger couldn't have got there alone. | 7:12:37 | 7:12:42 | |
Could you imagine that he got on a jet plane and travelled to | 7:12:43 | 7:12:46 | |
England of his own accord? | 7:12:46 | 7:12:48 | |
Well, last time I saw him, he was in no condition to travel anywhere. | 7:12:48 | 7:12:53 | |
He was, he was sick. | 7:12:53 | 7:12:55 | |
I think he... They said Alzheimer's Or something along those lines. | 7:12:57 | 7:13:01 | |
And it was last summer. | 7:13:02 | 7:13:05 | |
And he didn't look like he could be travelling anywhere. | 7:13:05 | 7:13:08 | |
Everybody we talk to around here, speaks fondly of Roger. | 7:13:10 | 7:13:14 | |
I'd see him come and go from work. He would wear white scrubs. | 7:13:14 | 7:13:19 | |
So, I knew he was a nurse. | 7:13:19 | 7:13:21 | |
He just seemed like a very wonderful, kind family man. | 7:13:21 | 7:13:24 | |
And I just had a very good feeling around him. | 7:13:26 | 7:13:29 | |
But the more we learn, the darker this story becomes. | 7:13:29 | 7:13:33 | |
Trouble and illness have haunted Roger's family. | 7:13:35 | 7:13:38 | |
While he has dementia, his wife, Mary Jo, is also unwell. | 7:13:40 | 7:13:45 | |
Their son, Kevin, acted as their carer in recent years. | 7:13:47 | 7:13:52 | |
But not so long ago, he wasn't welcome at the family home. | 7:13:52 | 7:13:55 | |
Their relationship has always been kind of... | 7:13:58 | 7:14:01 | |
..volatile, if you want to call it. Kevin... | 7:14:02 | 7:14:07 | |
You could hear him at all different hours of the night just... | 7:14:07 | 7:14:10 | |
pounding on their door, trying to get in, | 7:14:10 | 7:14:13 | |
screaming and yelling at them - profanities. | 7:14:13 | 7:14:16 | |
We worried for their safety. | 7:14:18 | 7:14:20 | |
In 2014, the Curry family home burned down in the middle of the night. | 7:14:22 | 7:14:27 | |
No-one was at home at the time, but Roger and his wife had to move out. | 7:14:32 | 7:14:36 | |
The neighbours didn't see Roger again for nine months. | 7:14:44 | 7:14:50 | |
He was standing right out in the front yard here. | 7:14:50 | 7:14:53 | |
But behind that fence? | 7:14:53 | 7:14:54 | |
Oh, yeah, behind the fence and the gate was locked. | 7:14:54 | 7:14:57 | |
Oh, yeah, and then he walked back to the back. | 7:14:57 | 7:15:00 | |
And we were calling for him, but he wouldn't come out. | 7:15:00 | 7:15:03 | |
He just wasn't responding to us. | 7:15:03 | 7:15:05 | |
And then we started to get concerned because, you know... | 7:15:05 | 7:15:07 | |
We thought he was in the alone. | 7:15:07 | 7:15:09 | |
So I went over there and stepped over... | 7:15:09 | 7:15:11 | |
I was able to step over on that side, then go to the back to see, | 7:15:11 | 7:15:15 | |
and that's when I saw Mary Jo too. | 7:15:15 | 7:15:17 | |
-Two of them were in the back? -Yep. | 7:15:18 | 7:15:21 | |
Mary Jo was sleeping and Roger was wandering. | 7:15:21 | 7:15:24 | |
Are you talking about Mary Jo sleeping outside? | 7:15:24 | 7:15:27 | |
Oh, yes, on the patio. She was in a sleeping bag. | 7:15:27 | 7:15:30 | |
Two elderly people with chronic illness, | 7:15:32 | 7:15:35 | |
were left camping in the yard of a burnt-out house. | 7:15:35 | 7:15:39 | |
Their son Kevin, had been bringing them food and | 7:15:40 | 7:15:44 | |
he was suspected of locking them in behind the gate. | 7:15:44 | 7:15:47 | |
The emergency services were called, and were shocked by what they found. | 7:15:49 | 7:15:54 | |
They were talking together and they said they were here | 7:15:54 | 7:15:58 | |
the night the house burnt down. And...he was... | 7:15:58 | 7:16:02 | |
They were both in tears. | 7:16:02 | 7:16:03 | |
There were several of them, but the ones I spoke to... | 7:16:03 | 7:16:06 | |
He was in tears, I mean, this is a big, burly, you know, | 7:16:06 | 7:16:10 | |
macho man, in tears, saying, "Who does this | 7:16:10 | 7:16:13 | |
"to their parents?" | 7:16:13 | 7:16:15 | |
Roger's wife told the police it was her idea, and nobody was prosecuted. | 7:16:16 | 7:16:21 | |
Roger and his wife were locked in the yard just three months | 7:16:36 | 7:16:40 | |
before he turned up lost in England. It looks suspicious. | 7:16:40 | 7:16:45 | |
I want to talk to their son... But Kevin isn't returning my calls. | 7:16:47 | 7:16:52 | |
It seems that Kevin is a complicated character. | 7:16:57 | 7:17:00 | |
I've done a bit of digging and found that he has a criminal record. | 7:17:00 | 7:17:04 | |
And I've also found that... | 7:17:04 | 7:17:06 | |
a restraining order was taken against him 17 years ago... | 7:17:06 | 7:17:10 | |
by his father. | 7:17:10 | 7:17:11 | |
So, could Kevin be to blame for what happened to his dad? | 7:17:14 | 7:17:17 | |
In America, old people are sometimes deserted | 7:17:21 | 7:17:24 | |
because of the medical bills. It's known as "granny dumping". | 7:17:24 | 7:17:30 | |
Did Kevin dump his father in England? | 7:17:31 | 7:17:34 | |
He told me that he virtually exhausted all avenues trying | 7:17:41 | 7:17:46 | |
to find a place to put him. | 7:17:46 | 7:17:48 | |
And because, he said, Roger tended to act out physically, that a lot | 7:17:48 | 7:17:52 | |
of places would not take him because he acted out physically, a lot. | 7:17:52 | 7:17:55 | |
Our story is about to take another unexpected turn. | 7:17:57 | 7:18:01 | |
My theory is that he got... Kevin... | 7:18:03 | 7:18:06 | |
got overwhelmed by trying to find him help here, and couldn't find | 7:18:06 | 7:18:11 | |
that help... | 7:18:11 | 7:18:12 | |
'As we're talking, a car pulls up behind me.' Who's that there? | 7:18:12 | 7:18:18 | |
-I believe that's Kevin. -Is that Kevin there now? | 7:18:18 | 7:18:21 | |
I'm pretty sure it is and he's looking right at me | 7:18:21 | 7:18:23 | |
and he has taken off. | 7:18:23 | 7:18:25 | |
That's... Mary Jo in the passenger seat. | 7:18:25 | 7:18:28 | |
-That's his mum in the passenger seat? -Yep. | 7:18:30 | 7:18:32 | |
She didn't look good at all. | 7:18:32 | 7:18:34 | |
That was his mum. Boy, he read that, didn't he? It really irritates me. | 7:18:34 | 7:18:40 | |
I want to believe in people. | 7:18:40 | 7:18:43 | |
HE LAUGHS | 7:18:43 | 7:18:44 | |
All right. | 7:18:44 | 7:18:46 | |
I'm calling for Kevin. | 7:18:49 | 7:18:51 | |
Kevin, my name is Darragh Macintyre, I'm with the BBC. I just think... | 7:18:51 | 7:18:56 | |
..we need to speak about your dad. | 7:18:57 | 7:19:00 | |
And I'm just hoping that you may be able to chat to me | 7:19:00 | 7:19:04 | |
and maybe help explain how... | 7:19:04 | 7:19:07 | |
..your dad ended up in... in England. | 7:19:08 | 7:19:11 | |
Kevin doesn't call me back and he doesn't respond to a letter, either. | 7:19:15 | 7:19:20 | |
So I go to see Roger's daughter, Jeanette, instead. | 7:19:20 | 7:19:24 | |
She doesn't want to be filmed but she tells me | 7:19:27 | 7:19:30 | |
that she hasn't seen her dad in years. | 7:19:30 | 7:19:32 | |
Just spent the best part of three hours talking to the... | 7:19:42 | 7:19:45 | |
the daughter of Roger Curry, that's Jeanette. | 7:19:45 | 7:19:49 | |
And well, firstly, she didn't have a clue about her dad ending up in... | 7:19:49 | 7:19:54 | |
in England, and Hereford. | 7:19:54 | 7:19:57 | |
She clearly thinks her brother Kevin is behind the transport of | 7:19:57 | 7:20:03 | |
her dad across the Atlantic to England. | 7:20:03 | 7:20:07 | |
We showed her the footage, we showed her... | 7:20:09 | 7:20:13 | |
her dad in the care home. | 7:20:13 | 7:20:16 | |
Showed her her dad talking to the staff and... | 7:20:16 | 7:20:19 | |
walking about and eating his chocolate muffins and... | 7:20:19 | 7:20:23 | |
she got quite emotional. She got quite emotional. | 7:20:23 | 7:20:29 | |
But, you know what, | 7:20:31 | 7:20:34 | |
her biggest concern was that he might be shipped out of... | 7:20:34 | 7:20:38 | |
out of England and back here. | 7:20:38 | 7:20:40 | |
As far as she is concerned, he's happy. And he's safe. | 7:20:40 | 7:20:45 | |
Hello, Sergeant Bennett? Darragh Macintyre phoning... | 7:20:49 | 7:20:52 | |
'It's time to let the police know that we have solved the | 7:20:52 | 7:20:54 | |
'mystery of the unknown man.' | 7:20:54 | 7:20:57 | |
We have, in fact, tracked down Roger Curry. | 7:20:57 | 7:21:02 | |
And I can confirm that he is actually from | 7:21:02 | 7:21:06 | |
a town called Whittier, outside of Los Angeles. | 7:21:06 | 7:21:09 | |
I'll try and call you back later, bye-bye. | 7:21:09 | 7:21:12 | |
Two days later, a man is arrested in England. | 7:21:19 | 7:21:22 | |
American social services and the FBI join the investigation. | 7:21:24 | 7:21:29 | |
Then in July, Roger Curry is taken from the nursing home where | 7:21:31 | 7:21:35 | |
he's been staying for eight months... | 7:21:35 | 7:21:37 | |
..and quietly flown back to the US. | 7:21:39 | 7:21:42 | |
Three weeks ago, I went back to California. I want to find Kevin. | 7:21:56 | 7:22:02 | |
I've been trying to talk to him for months. | 7:22:07 | 7:22:10 | |
But he's a hard man to catch. | 7:22:12 | 7:22:14 | |
'And when I finally see him at the family home, he disappears again.' | 7:22:16 | 7:22:21 | |
Hello, Kevin. | 7:22:21 | 7:22:23 | |
Darragh Macintyre from the BBC, Kevin, Kevin... | 7:22:23 | 7:22:27 | |
I've been trying to contact you for a while, Kevin. | 7:22:27 | 7:22:30 | |
I've written to you, I've phoned you. | 7:22:30 | 7:22:32 | |
Kevin, did you dump your father in England? | 7:22:33 | 7:22:36 | |
Kevin? | 7:22:40 | 7:22:41 | |
KEVIN: | 7:22:43 | 7:22:45 | |
Fair enough, Kevin. | 7:22:47 | 7:22:49 | |
Kevin then agrees to answer questions, but not on camera. | 7:22:52 | 7:22:56 | |
Well, I finally got to speak to Kevin. | 7:23:04 | 7:23:06 | |
He did have something to say, but it didn't make an awful lot of sense. | 7:23:07 | 7:23:12 | |
He says that he had nothing to do, whatsoever, | 7:23:12 | 7:23:15 | |
with the abandonment of his father in England. | 7:23:15 | 7:23:17 | |
He said his father became ill when they were visiting England on | 7:23:17 | 7:23:20 | |
holiday, and that he asked a friend to take him to hospital. | 7:23:20 | 7:23:24 | |
His account simply doesn't add up. | 7:23:26 | 7:23:28 | |
'Why did he leave his dad in England for eight months? | 7:23:31 | 7:23:34 | |
'And why won't he show his face?' | 7:23:36 | 7:23:38 | |
Kevin, are you prepared to speak to me? On the record? | 7:23:40 | 7:23:44 | |
We're going to be here for a couple of days, so we're happy to do it. | 7:23:44 | 7:23:47 | |
At your convenience, properly, a sit-down interview. | 7:23:47 | 7:23:50 | |
Kevin, can I tell you, you look incredibly sinister right now. | 7:23:51 | 7:23:54 | |
KEVIN: | 7:23:56 | 7:23:58 | |
We're not stalking you, and we're not harassing you. | 7:24:02 | 7:24:06 | |
And I left when you asked me to leave. | 7:24:10 | 7:24:12 | |
Kevin, I put nothing in your mailbox other than a letter, | 7:24:19 | 7:24:23 | |
in fact, I put two letters in your mailbox. | 7:24:23 | 7:24:26 | |
Kevin, I did not go through your mail. | 7:24:29 | 7:24:32 | |
Kevin, you're looking incredibly sinister, | 7:24:33 | 7:24:36 | |
take your mask off and speak properly. | 7:24:36 | 7:24:39 | |
Kevin, will you speak to us properly? | 7:24:41 | 7:24:43 | |
Without your mask on? That's him going now. | 7:24:43 | 7:24:47 | |
It's the strangest of getaways. | 7:24:49 | 7:24:51 | |
Kevin drives off really slowly, he can't see where he's going. | 7:24:52 | 7:24:58 | |
Well, that was extraordinary. | 7:25:00 | 7:25:02 | |
Kevin throwing out all sorts of accusations, but importantly, | 7:25:02 | 7:25:06 | |
crucially, not prepared to properly account for how his | 7:25:06 | 7:25:12 | |
76-year-old dad, very ill with dementia, | 7:25:12 | 7:25:15 | |
ended up abandoned in Britain. | 7:25:15 | 7:25:17 | |
So, where is Roger now? The authorities won't tell me. | 7:25:23 | 7:25:28 | |
But I managed to find his new nursing home | 7:25:28 | 7:25:31 | |
and I walked straight in without anyone asking who I am. | 7:25:31 | 7:25:35 | |
I'm shocked by how Roger looks. | 7:25:36 | 7:25:38 | |
The man I met here is unshaven, his hair looks dirty, maybe matted, | 7:25:40 | 7:25:45 | |
he's wearing tracksuit bottoms, | 7:25:45 | 7:25:47 | |
he's got runners with the laces untied... | 7:25:47 | 7:25:50 | |
He's got a scar on the top of his head and the wound is taking | 7:25:50 | 7:25:53 | |
its time to heal. | 7:25:53 | 7:25:55 | |
The intimate level of care, | 7:25:58 | 7:26:00 | |
the type of care he was getting at Credenhill, | 7:26:00 | 7:26:02 | |
I don't he is getting here. | 7:26:02 | 7:26:03 | |
I'm sure his basic needs are met, | 7:26:03 | 7:26:05 | |
but he's even thinner than I remember him. | 7:26:05 | 7:26:08 | |
He is diminished. | 7:26:09 | 7:26:11 | |
'Roger's neighbours haven't been told where he is.' | 7:26:19 | 7:26:23 | |
-I found Roger yesterday. -Oh, you did? | 7:26:24 | 7:26:28 | |
Yeah, I did, yeah. | 7:26:28 | 7:26:30 | |
And... Do you remember the photograph I showed you of Roger? | 7:26:30 | 7:26:33 | |
Yeah, he was still a handsome man, you know. Yeah. | 7:26:33 | 7:26:37 | |
He still looked, you know, like Roger. | 7:26:37 | 7:26:40 | |
I saw him yesterday...in a care home not very far from here. | 7:26:41 | 7:26:44 | |
When I went into the home, I nearly didn't recognise him. He is... | 7:26:45 | 7:26:49 | |
He is a different man, almost. | 7:26:50 | 7:26:52 | |
He had a wound on his head which hadn't healed. | 7:26:53 | 7:26:56 | |
He wasn't shaven, his hair looked like it hadn't been washed. | 7:26:58 | 7:27:02 | |
It makes really sad. He's, um... | 7:27:02 | 7:27:05 | |
And to think, you know... | 7:27:07 | 7:27:10 | |
I'm hoping my family has a little bit more compassion than that | 7:27:10 | 7:27:15 | |
they are doing with him. | 7:27:15 | 7:27:17 | |
I wonder whether...identifying Roger, in fact, | 7:27:18 | 7:27:22 | |
has done him any good at all? | 7:27:22 | 7:27:23 | |
Right. Right. He'd still be in England, being taken care of. | 7:27:23 | 7:27:28 | |
Things do look better on a second visit to the nursing home. | 7:27:33 | 7:27:37 | |
Roger has been cleaned up. | 7:27:37 | 7:27:38 | |
But again, I walk in unchallenged, | 7:27:40 | 7:27:43 | |
and there doesn't seem to be anything | 7:27:43 | 7:27:45 | |
to protect Roger from wandering off. | 7:27:45 | 7:27:47 | |
Roger's future is now being decided by the American courts. | 7:27:55 | 7:28:00 | |
The Los Angeles authorities have taken control of his care. | 7:28:00 | 7:28:04 | |
But today, Kevin and his mum are challenging that. | 7:28:06 | 7:28:09 | |
Stop harassing me. Stop stalking me. | 7:28:13 | 7:28:16 | |
The court makes no final decision. | 7:28:18 | 7:28:20 | |
But the legal papers show that the authorities blame Kevin and | 7:28:22 | 7:28:25 | |
his mother for what happened to Roger. | 7:28:25 | 7:28:28 | |
This is what the Los Angeles authorities say happened... | 7:28:30 | 7:28:34 | |
In late 2015, Roger Curry was taken surreptitiously to | 7:28:34 | 7:28:38 | |
England by his wife and son, and then he was abandoned. | 7:28:38 | 7:28:42 | |
An elderly and helpless man was dumped in Britain. | 7:28:45 | 7:28:50 | |
And then his wife and son went for a holiday in Europe. | 7:28:50 | 7:28:54 | |
We have uncovered the truth about Roger Curry. | 7:28:57 | 7:29:01 | |
But this wasn't the ending that any of us wanted or expected. | 7:29:03 | 7:29:07 | |
Roger is still facing a very uncertain future... | 7:29:10 | 7:29:13 | |
..victim of a family who wanted him to disappear. | 7:29:15 | 7:29:19 |