27/09/2012 Question Time


27/09/2012

David Dimbleby chairs Question Time from Brighton. The panel includes MPs Harriet Harman, Danny Alexander and Jacob Rees-Mogg, plus Kirstie Allsopp and Steve Coogan.


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Good evening. Question Time is back, and not a moment too soon. As the

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new song goes, we are sorry, so sorry we have been away.

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To business. On our panel, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury,

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Danny Alexander, Labour's deputy leader, Harriet Harman,

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Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, television presenter Kirsty Alsop

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Thank you very much. The first question of this new series comes

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from Rob Fletcher. Will we see the same level of anger as in Athens

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and Madrid once the full impact of the UK Government's austerity

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measures are felled? Danny Alexander. There is a very big

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difference between those countries and our country. In those countries,

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they are having to go further, make more dramatic cuts to keep pace

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with the demands of the markets, because their governments did not

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start out with a strong plan to deal with the problems they face.

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They are having to go further because their interest rates have

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been pushed higher because the markets are demanding even further

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austerity measures. In this country, because when we came in as a

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coalition in 2010 we said from the start that this was a major problem

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that had to be sorted out, we have been able to set out spending

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reductions and tax rises that are phased in over the four Year period.

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Of course, there are some very difficult things there, but I do

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not think we will see the same response because we have been able

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to keep control for ourselves as a country. Do you agree with your

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leader who said, our influence in the world, our standard of living,

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public services and culture of tolerance and openness are in the

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balance? I do agree with that. His point was that in difficult

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economic times, unless you are able to keep control, to make decisions

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for yourselves as a democracy, rather than being forced to do it

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by the markets, those things become serious issues. At a time when not

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only are we in Europe and other parts of the developed world seeing

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economic problems, but where other parts of the world, emerging

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markets, are growing rapidly, we have to be careful to take the

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right decisions to get our economies going again, to ensure

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that our way of doing things continues to be the right way.

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Harriet Harman, we saw riots over the poll tax. Do you think this

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economic policy could lead to what we are seeing in Madrid and Athens?

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I hope that before we get near that stage the Government will recognise

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that their plan is not working and will change course. They promised

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that they would get economic growth, and instead the country is in

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recession. They promised they would get the deficit down, and borrowing

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has gone up. They promised we would be in it together and they had done

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a tax cut for millionaires. So people feel that it is not working.

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APPLAUSE So what would you do? Well,

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obviously you need to get the deficit down but not in such a way

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that it stifles the economy. It is very telling that of all of the G20

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countries, all of which were hit by the global financial crisis, this

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country alone, as well as Italy, is one of only two in recession. So I

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think the evidence is there. They have tried their austerity plan for

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two years. For heaven's sake, sometimes it is right to just admit

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that it is not working, you have got it wrong, before there is more

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pain, suffering and damage done. Jacob Rees-Mogg. There is an

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absolutely key difference between us and member states of the

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eurozone, which is we have control over our own money. We have our own

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monetary policy. You can cut spending if you can have

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quantitative easing and low interest rates. That means the

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economy has access to cash, which in Europe they do not. Their

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interest rates have been rising whilst hours have been falling. You

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cannot borrow any money in Spain. It might be difficult here but it

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is harder in Spain. We also have a competitive currency. Since 2008 it

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has fallen down to about one pound 60p to the dollar. That has been

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helpful for exports. If you are in Spain, Greece or Portugal, your

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economic policies are imposed on you now by the European Union. In

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Greece and Italy, you have had your Prime Minister changed by Ward of

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the European Commission. I do not know whether you like David Cameron,

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but at least he will be replaced by you and not by European bureaucrats.

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I think that gives us confidence in the policies the Government is

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taking. We can follow them, accept them, argue about them, but we will

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decide them in the end. There were riots over the poll tax in a

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democracy with Mrs Thatcher as Prime Minister. Why should the same

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thing not happen if people are suffering hardship? Because the

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ability to use monetary policy, quantitative easing and schemes to

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lend the banks are crucially important. We keep mentioning the

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poll tax and those riots. I think about a year-and-a-half ago in

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Tottenham, when similar things happened. Actually, the reason is

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that people do not have a lot of money at the moment and people are

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struggling for jobs. Yes, there were issues with youth, but I fail

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to see how blame it on Margaret Thatcher's poll tax... I think it

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is exactly the same. And you. was allegedly supposed to help the

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economy gain momentum and we were supposed to be given this

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quantitative easing, �375 billion of cash given to the banks which

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are already owned partly by taxpayers, to help small and

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medium-sized businesses. We are now taking another �1 billion of

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taxpayers' cash and putting it into a special bank that is supposed to

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be doing exactly the same job that quantitative easing, which Jacob

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Rees-Mogg is extolling the virtues of. Make the quantitative easing

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work and it might stimulate the economy to provide the jobs and the

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economy that is needed and people would not even consider going on

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the streets to riot. Steve Coogan. I think the point made by this

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gentleman is right. I think the riots were, to some extent, a

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result of poverty and of the fact that we are still in recession, and

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these measures are not working. For all the quantitative easing that

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took place, people are still finding it almost impossible to get

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loans from the banks. It is not working. What I think should have

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happened straight away is that there should have been, when they

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came into office, the Liberal Party should have pushed for a tax rise.

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If anything, I think had they not been there, though, the tax cut

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would have been even greater. So their presence has mitigated the

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worst excesses of the Tory government. But it is time to

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change course. These measures have not worked. We can see that. People

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are feeling it. And I think the complacency that it will not happen

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here, I think we are in a very dangerous situation. We need to act

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now and not wait until something awful happens. What would your

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change be? I think certainly the mansion tax, although it will not

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make a great difference to the economy, is the right signal. That

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kind of thing placates people who are angry, which is important, even

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though the economic effects will be minimal. That kind of thing is

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politically important. It shows that we are literally all in it

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together. Are you going to get your mention tax? We have argued for in

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the election, in our manifesto, and subsequently, and we will keep

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arguing for it. A path that does not mean you're going to get it!

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have increased taxes substantially on wealthy people. Under Labour you

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had the scandalous situation where someone who ran a private equity

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company could pay less tax on their capital gains than their cleaner

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paid on their income. We ended that. We increased capital gains tax

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substantially and reduce the amount of tax relief will the people can

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get on their contributions. We have ended the loopholes were you could

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hide your big property in a foreign offshore companies. So we are

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raising much more from the wealthy already. And we are using that

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money to ensure we can reduce the burden of taxation, the income tax

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rates, or working people of this country, by ensuring that the tax-

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free amount on the income that people earn goes up. What Steve

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Coogan was saying that a mansion tax, even though it might not raise

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money, would assuage people's anger. Which is insulting. Is it going to

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happen? We are arguing for it. have said that, but is it going to

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happen? The thing that we have said, and Nick Clegg stressed, and I did

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at our conference, is that we have to make more painful decisions in

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terms of spending reductions, to ensure that our economy gets out of

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the mess that the Labour Party left it in, and part of that has to be

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extra taxes on the wealthy. So why have you add a tax cut for each

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millionaire of �40,000 every year? That is all but cut in the top rate

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of tax has given you. Yona because the tax system that you left us was

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scandalous. We have replaced that tax with new taxes on the

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wealthiest to ensure they can pay money into the system to ensure

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that deficit reduction burden is fairly shared. That will cost �3

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billion. You will not get the mansion tax through, because people

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in mansions vote Conservative, so I don't think it is going to happen.

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Kirsty. I am the exception that proves the rule. I would be happy

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to pay it. I think what Steve Coogan said his patronising. What

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he was saying is that the masses need this tax rise in order to be

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convinced of something. Although we know it will not raise money, it

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will stop people rioting in the streets. Unless we can have

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intelligent political debate, with everybody understanding that we

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want to achieve one thing, to raise the maximum amount possible for

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those who are less well-off. That is the point. Everybody around this

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table knows that high taxes don't do that. And they are not

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politically brave enough to say, we have people who are less off and

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people who are more well-off. How do we get the most amount of money

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from the people who are more well- off to the people who are less

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well-off? That is not necessarily high taxes. But we tax income to

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highly and unearned wealth too lightly. That is the shift we need

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to make. Unfortunately, I do not think that is the reason for the

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cuts. We are not trying to give it to the less well-off. We are trying

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to do something with debt. Sadly, I do not think they are intelligent.

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The cuts are not intelligent. We might be able to change our

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government, and we might have that choice, but the damage is already

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going to be done because the cuts are not intelligent. They are very

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short term. If you look at the cuts in further education, I teach

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English to Speakers of Other Languages, and their cuts mean that

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students are not going to learn English as they should be, so in

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the long-term those people will not be getting jobs. So the cuts are

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not intelligent and we definitely do need to change direction but it

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will be too late by the next government, unfortunately. The man

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It is obvious that the cuts are not intelligent and we are not in it

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together. It is the working-class, poor people, who are being squeezed

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the most and suffering record youth unemployment, cuts in benefits,

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real cuts in wages, and we are all paying the price for bankers'

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mismanagement, not for what working-class poor people have gone.

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-- what they have done. That Mrs out that we were spending far too

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much money that we did not have. If you go back to the 1970s, tax has

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almost never raised more than 38% of gross national product. Our

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spending, if it is above that, leads to a deficit. However you

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readjust the tax system, with attacks at 98%, or 40%, it has

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raised 38% of GDP in a good year. If you start spending up to 50%,

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you are in trouble, and that is where we were. There have to be

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cuts. It has to be brought back and that is painful than it takes place.

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In terms of the rich not paying their fair share, the top 1% of

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taxpayers pays �39 billion in tax. They pay 26.5% of the income tax

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raised, and they earn 13% of the earnings, so they are paying their

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fair share. And if you take too much, you will find they will not

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work so hard and they will leave the country. So if you want money,

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you need to have an intelligent tax system. It is strange that the

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Government's policy seems to be that if you are incredibly rich you

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need a tax cut to make you work harder, but if you are poor, you

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need to appear tax credit cut to make you work harder! -- you need

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to have your tax credit cut. course, the Gentleman is right,

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none of us want to have to make reductions in public spending, to

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deal with the problems we face. But your Government promised people you

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could end boom-and-bust, and that was not true. You left a terrible

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mess in our economy, under regulated the bangs, let them run

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riot, you lost the election and we have to clear up the mess that you

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left. -- you under regulated the banks. The Tories used to say a

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minimum wage would make the economy fall apart. They always say they

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are going to leave the country and go elsewhere, and they will take

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away their ball. It did not happen when we introduced a minimum wage.

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They seem to be fine. I think the We must go on. We have lots of

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questions here. To take part in the debate at home, push the Red Button.

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debate at home, push the Red Button. You can see what others are saying.

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Join in by texting: Matthew Potter? Would we be better

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off with more plebes and fewer public school boys, patrolling the

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public school boys, patrolling the corridors of power? APPLAUSE.

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That word plebes? James? I thought that question may be directed at

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me! It could be something to do with my voice. I think we need the

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right people for the job. We have to ensure that we have an education

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system that provides a good system in the state as has got from

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private schools. I was at Eton with fantastic teachers and facilities.

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I don't think that people should be excluded from public service. That

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would abmistake, but I think you do want a state-funded education

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system. I think that Michael Gove is doing this. That will ensure

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that the highest quality education is given to everybody in the

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country, not just those who go to the public schools.

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Do you ever call anyone a plebe? course I don't! I think people in

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public life ought to show good manners to the electorate who put

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them there and the police are part of that electorate. I am not in

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favour of people being impolite to people who are serving them and

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their country. I think that is a mistake. It is very good news that

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Andrew Mitchell apologised for it, which he was right to do.

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Steve Coogan? I think we would be better served with more state-

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educated people in politics. My education was free. It did not do

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me any harm. Did it do you any good? Well, I'm

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here! I also think that the whole plebe issue is, I thought was

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really, we should congratulate the Chief Whip for honestly and

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eloquently expressing what has always been Tory Party policy,

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which is pea plebe management. Contain the plebes, keep the plebes

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at bay, pat them on the head when we they need to be. Put them out in

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the back garden. I don't think this is true. There is bread and circus,

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probably Labour's approach, bribing people with their own money.

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think modern Conservatives have learned to modify and edit their

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thoughts. I think most Conservatives probably think the

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word plebe, but don't say it out loud.

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He said he wanted to make it clear he did not use the words attributed

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to... He is clear about what he didn't say, but vague about what he

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did say. APPLAUSE

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Kirstie Allsopp? I think we could continue talking about the Andrew

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Mitchell issue all night. But David would shoot us. There are all sorts

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of issue, the first one is failed apologies. He did not say sorry,

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not properly. He should have stood up and said what he did was totally

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and utterly wrong. That the police officer and his wife are coming to

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have dinner with him in Parliament next week. That he is doing 50

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hours of community service working with young people with rage issues

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and that he is ult Earl ashamed of himself.

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-- utterly ashamed of himself. There has been stuff in the press

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about John Terry. It comes back to the same issue, you can't speak to

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people like that, if you do you have to learn to say sorry. The

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fashion for qualified apologies. Some people have it it in their

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heads if you say sorry you will be sued, but you have to learn to say

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sorry and to be a grown-up. The second thing about the question is

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that 7% of people in this country are privately educated. My children

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are privately educated. That means there is a �6,000 per annum not

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spent on my child, but spent on another child. If everyone who is

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privately educated turned up at their local state school, the

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education school -- system would be in even more dire trouble. We

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cannot afford for everyone at public school to anybody the state

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system and will not be able to for a long time in the current climate.

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What do you make of the apologies? The Nick Clegg apology? It is

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another one. When he made that pledge he would never be the Prime

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Minister. I can say to the children, if you are to become a maths genius,

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you can eat jelly babies for the rest of your life, but I know I

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will never have to come up with the jelly babies. It is the same with

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Nick Clegg. You can make all sorts of pledges if you will never have

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to carry them out. APPLAUSE.

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I would like to ask if your decision to put your children in

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private school is purely through altruism? No. The problem is,

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because people that feel that they do have to privately educate their

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children, that they are raised in such a way that they end up

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becoming Tories who then call people... No! No! Who then call

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people... That is not true. No, I am sorry.

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Who then regard people as plebes. Absolutely not. I will not have you

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sit there and tell me that I am not capable of bringing up my children

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to respect everybody. I grew up in state -- I went to a

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state school... So did I. I would not regard anyone as a

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plebe. The one thing I will say that Andrew Mitchell said it was

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utterly honest. Harriet Harman were you privately

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educated? I was. You see it is not a Conservative

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thing. Some people are, some people are not. They can go in different

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directions. It has strayed into Andrew Mitchell

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territory. You may or may not want to do it, but the question is, we

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would be better off with more plebes than fewer public school

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boys. Well, I think that everybody feels

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really uncomfortable about what happened. Everybody knows that if

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the police officer had said to the Cabinet Minister the words that

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actually Andrew Mitchell has admitted to saying, he would not be

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in his job job in Downing Street anymore. There is unfairness there.

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He would have been out. Secondly, why is it, without even bothering

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to look at the evidence, that David Cameron believed the word of the

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Cabinet Minister and not the word of the police officer? There is a

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great worry about that. Also, he has not apologised. I think that

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the truth of it is, that the police in Downing Street, you know, Danny

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knows this very well. The police in Downing Street are doing their job,

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trying to keep Downing Street safe against a background of terrorism

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threat. They are there just to do their job. For the idea that Andrew

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Mitchell could speak to somebody like that and then refuse to admit

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it or deny it, I think it reflects badly on David Cameron that he's

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been prepared to sweep it all under the carpet.

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APPLAUSE You say if a policeman had spoken like that he would have been

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sacked, do you think that Andrew Mitchell should have been sacked?

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am hesitant to call for Cabinet ministers to be sacked, the last

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one I called for to be sacked was promoted. That is Jeremy Hunt, but

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I agree with kirs I r Kirsty in a way, if he really apologised. He

:23:27.:23:31.

had really owned up, but he is argue against what the police

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officer said. I think that leave as very uncomfortable... I think David

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Cameron missed a huge PR opportunity it say that his party

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is not about that, that they don't speak to people like that, but in

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his actions in backing him up, we all know where the Tory Party's

:23:48.:23:52.

loyalties lie. I would ask the audience if any of you have lost

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your temper and been embarrassed about it after. He has apologised.

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I think it is part of human nature. It does.happen, it is embarrassing

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he should not have done it, but everybody loses their temper at

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some point in their lives. I was wondering if a person who

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called somebody a bigot should be asked to resign? Danny Alexander?

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The answer is yes. It not just the corridors of power, but the legal

:24:25.:24:29.

profession, the law courts, a whole range of professions which are

:24:29.:24:33.

still far too dominated by people from a particular social background.

:24:33.:24:37.

What we should be doing is ensuring that everyone from whatever

:24:38.:24:41.

background have the bust possible chances in life. We cannot succeed

:24:41.:24:44.

as a society with the lack of social mobility that we have in

:24:44.:24:48.

this country. There is a situation where not everyone has the same

:24:48.:24:53.

life chances. I believe we are trying to change that as a

:24:53.:24:57.

Government, for investing more money into the schools most to the

:24:57.:25:01.

disadvantaged children. More to nursery education, to disadvantaged

:25:01.:25:08.

two-year-olds, you see the gaps emerging from the people from

:25:08.:25:11.

disadvantaged backgrounds at a young stage. They get wider and

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wider. By the time that people reach that stage in life, you get

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to the situation where in all of these top professions it is heavily

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weighted to people from public backgrounds.

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To succeed as a society every single person needs to have the

:25:32.:25:37.

chance to get to the top. APPLAUSE

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Do you think what Andrew Mitchell said betrays an attitude which has

:25:43.:25:45.

damaged the Tories, therefore damaging the coalition? I don't

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know about that. I think it was certainly the wrong thing to say it

:25:50.:25:54.

was incredibly stupid for him to insult a policeman or a police

:25:54.:26:00.

woman in the way he is reported to have done. He has apologised to it.

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Not just generally, but directly to the individual.

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Let me finish. He apologised directly to the individual. That

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individual has accepted the apology. The Metropolitan Police

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Commissioner does not want to see a further investigation. The two

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individuals concerned have dealt with the situation, the rest of us

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should do so too. By the way, on the panel, Harriet and I have

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personal experience of apologising. Harriet has made comments about my

:26:28.:26:32.

hair colour, she phoned me to apologise for it. I accepted it,

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that is that. Can you remind us of the offending

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words? She referred to me as a ginger rodent! APPLAUSE

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I laughed about it, but many others with red hair did not. She as

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gracious enough to phone to apologise, I accepted it again

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straight away, I am glad to have a chance to do so again on air.

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Danny Alexander, do you think that raising tuition fees to an

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extortion faith amount enables people to have a good education,

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the same as privately educated people? I think that the new system

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in place is in some respects better for people from disadvantaged

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backgrounds. More money is spent on fee waivers so people don't have to

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pay money or any fees. Nothing upfront when you go to university.

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You only pay it back when you are in a good job earning more than

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�21,000. That is higher than under the previous system. So if you are

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earning �25,000, you will pay back �30. That is something which is a

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fair contribution for the advantages that you get for a

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universities education. I don't know how Danny can talk

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about his desire for everyone to have equal chances when they are

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cutting Sure Start. Thecational maintenance allowances, you say

:27:55.:27:59.

that they have trebled tuition fees. He just, all of the things that

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they say, the pupil premium that has come in, but the biggest cuts

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in schools that there have been for decades. Although his hair colour

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is lovely, the policies are rubbish! APPLAUSE

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We have to go on. From Richard Cook? Joirbgs what does the panel

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believe motivated the decision -- what does the panel believe

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motivated the system of Rochdale services to ignore the grooming of

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under-age females? This is the report that came out in Rochdale

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about the way that the Social Services and the police behaved

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towards young girls who made complaints. What motivates the

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question, do you think? This is yet another telling example of why it

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is important that if children complain, that they have been

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sexually abused, that you must start off by believing them and not

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disbelieving them. Because if you don't actually listen to them and

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take seriously their complaints and investigate them, then that is what

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the abusers rely on to go on. Whether or not it is the Catholic

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Church that had the problem of children complaining but not

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listened to over the years or whether what happened in Rochdale.

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So I think that the lesson that we have got to learn from this is not

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to write-off the complaints. Don't blame the victim. Don't assume

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there are some sorts of girls that would do that. Listen to them to

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protect them. The other thing that is disturbing about this is the

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idea that somehow it could be said that it is OK because these girls

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were prostitutes. I mean, when are we going to take a view in this

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society that it is not OK for men to be paying for sex and that those

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women or girls who get into that situation, that is not a free

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choice, that is exploitation. So I think we have to wake up and have

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some attitude-changing. The question was what do you think

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motivated the decision to act as they did? I think it was the

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tendency not to start from the starting point of believing the

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girls and taking seriously what they said. Possibly the police

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thought, this is not going to go anywhere. Possibly the CPS might

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have thought, juries will not believe these girls if we took it

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to court. Everybody, whether it is social workers, police, the Crown

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Prosecution Service and all of us in the public, have to start from

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the starting point of listening to children and not somehow assuming

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that people are making it up, because that is how abuse remains

:30:47.:30:57.
:30:57.:30:58.

hidden for years. Girls mature faster than boys. So people have

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foolishly, idiotically, made the mistake of thinking that these

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children were women. They were not women. Just because they have boobs

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and wear make-up, it does not make them women. They are children. And

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the people involved in this case looked at them and thought these

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were bad young women. My stepson is 13 years old and he is a child. And

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he may be having all sorts of adult experiences and spending time away

:31:28.:31:33.

from home and all sorts of things but he remains a child. And in the

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law you're a child until you are 16 and cannot vote until you are 18.

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The biggest mistake that was made is that people were judging these

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girls. They were judging them, thinking they were not from the

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right background, or came from families social services knew of,

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and that they were wrong ones. That is the assumption they were making.

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Actually, this entire thing makes me want to weep. I remember reading

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about it in the Times last year and just thinking, this is just

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appalling, because these are children, and they have been let go

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by the state. I think it is an issue of resources. With all of the

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cuts being made on the public sector, a with the social work, the

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police, probation, prism, the NHS, the people working in these fields

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do not have the resources on the time to investigate claims that are

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not clear cut. And I think that with the cuts being made we are

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going to see more and more cases where social workers do not have

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the resources to check up on issues like these. Was that the issue,

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Steve Coogan? We do not know the full facts, so we do not know. I

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think there is the inference that is being made in some quarters that

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it might have been about the religious dimension to this, of the

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accused involved. And whether, because of religious sensitivities,

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there may have been recalcitrance on the part of the police. That is

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always a political hot potato. The one thing that nobody wants to talk

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about is the perception of misogyny in certain religions. I would say

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that is true of certain aspects, certain people within Catholicism,

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and also other religions. I do not think any religion has a monopoly

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on this. I think part of the problem is being able to have a

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mature discussion about what we think our shortcomings in our own

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and other people's religions without it turning into a racist

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football. I am choosing my words very carefully, because it is a

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hair-trigger for things. But that has been mooted. Are you saying the

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police and social services held back because they felt embarrassed

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by the possibility they were going to be accused of racism? I have

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read that somewhere. I want to be very careful because this is daily

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Mail territory, they love that kind of thing. But I think part of what

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happened there is that there is a dimension that was not addressed by

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people. People were scared of addressing it for fear of people

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jumping down their throat. And also the right for fear in some cases of

:34:53.:35:03.
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igniting racial tension. -- right I think there has been effectively

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criminal negligence by the police. There can be no way of excusing

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girls of 10 and 11, of saying they were willing. There is no way of

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saying that was a right action and the police have to follow that up.

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If they did not, you must wonder what was their ulterior motive. To

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say they may have been embarrassed by some racial dimension is a

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dereliction of duty, and they should be culpable and they should

:35:28.:35:38.
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be blamed. May be the best way of dealing with

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this is actually making the prison sentences life, not four years.

:35:45.:35:52.

Make it strong, rather than what they are doing at the moment.

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this is a truly appalling set of circumstances and I do not know was

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-- what was in these people's minds when they were hearing these

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complaints and ignoring them but I hope the Serious Case Review, which

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will go into the details of the people working on it and what

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motivated them, will get to the bottom of that. Do you think it

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will get to the bottom of the race and religious issues Steve Coogan

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mentioned? Is that part of the inquiry? I do not know if those

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were the issues at stake. I cannot speculate on the motives because it

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seems to me to be such an appalling omission. As has been said, they

:36:27.:36:31.

were young girls, not women. They were under the age of consent. You

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would have thought that when they came to complain, the officials

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would have said, something against the law is going on here,

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forgetting all the other issues the panel have rightly raised. I am a

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father of two daughters and I think it is truly appalling that young

:36:45.:36:48.

women can go and complain to the authorities and be ignored like

:36:48.:36:54.

that and have their lives ruined. It is disgraceful. The woman in the

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4th row. The points raised by the brave young people that contributed

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to this report were that they were not listened to. There had been

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countless reports going back many years, Serious Case Reviews, etc,

:37:06.:37:10.

talking about young people not being listened to. It is not

:37:10.:37:13.

expensive to listen to young people. Why have we not learn from earlier

:37:13.:37:18.

reports? I am just adding to what people

:37:18.:37:23.

have been saying, and there is an issue in Eastbourne, where a young

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girl, a friend of hers mentioned to the teachers that she had been

:37:27.:37:32.

having an affair with a teacher she has run away with, but she was not

:37:32.:37:35.

listened to. How long does it take for somebody to take action?

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I agree with the gentleman in the second row who put it correctly. It

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is outrageous that girls at this young age did not have their

:37:49.:37:52.

complaints taken seriously. To go back to the very beginning, the

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question, what was the motives of the people who ignored it? I do not

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care what their motives were. I do not want this covered up by saying,

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they were nervous about political correctness. That is the wrong way

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to go because it gives them an excuse and it says, it might have

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been all right to cover it up. And it was not. It was wrong. Their

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excuse and motive does not matter. These were children and they were

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abused, and it is terrifying that when they went to the people who

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they thought would protect them, they were left just as vulnerable

:38:24.:38:28.

as before they arrived. And we need to ensure that the authorities do

:38:28.:38:32.

their job, and when they do not, that they are punished with its --

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for it. I am not sure that I agree you should send people responsible

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to prison for life, but you should find criminal charges for people

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who have failed in this way. At the back. Given the length of time that

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this case has been happening and the appalling number of referrals

:38:53.:38:58.

made over that time, apparently 84 from one team and 44 from another,

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and over such a long period of time, is there is indicative of practice

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all over the country? You think it is widespread. Harriet Harman.

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I hope it is not an obviously the Inspectorate of social services

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needs to make sure that all social services departments live up to the

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standards of the best. But from time to time there is a false

:39:22.:39:26.

accusation, like a young girl will make an accusation that a school

:39:26.:39:30.

teacher has molested them. And if that accusation turns out to be

:39:30.:39:34.

false, everybody gets really hysterical about that and says, his

:39:34.:39:40.

career has been ruined. And then everybody retrench us. Actually,

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what we have to recognise is that, although wrongful allegations and

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the investigation of wrongful allegations can be very serious

:39:49.:39:52.

against the person that allegation is made against, you have got to

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have the starting point of starting to believe the child, no matter

:39:56.:40:00.

what their background, no matter what their circumstances are. They

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are the vulnerable ones. Any adult, no matter how important his

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professional standing, whether in education, the church, or in his

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community, it is better for him to take that risk than to have the

:40:13.:40:20.

risk on the child. So next time you see hysteria in the papers about a

:40:20.:40:22.

wrong for allegation about a teacher and everybody is saying

:40:22.:40:25.

there should be more restrictions against investigations, just

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remember the case of these girls in Rochdale.

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A question from Andrew Priestley. Can the next generation a four-day

:40:38.:40:43.

home without hope from the Bank of Mum and Dad? -- can they afford a

:40:43.:40:51.

home without help from the Bank of Mum and Dad? I think it depends

:40:51.:40:55.

where you live in the country. I do not think they can in Brighton,

:40:55.:41:03.

that is for sure. If they are fortunate enough to have a bank of

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mum and dad, which the vast majority do not, they will have to

:41:06.:41:13.

go to them, because the banks are not lending. We saw some

:41:13.:41:20.

irresponsible lending. I remember saying, we will not have any 100%

:41:20.:41:24.

mortgages on my programme because I do not believe in them and I do not

:41:24.:41:28.

want to look for houses for people who have them. But those days are

:41:28.:41:32.

over. The banks, God willing, have learned their lesson, as have we

:41:32.:41:36.

all, because we all played a part in this. And they have got to get

:41:36.:41:42.

their act India and lend. Every day a friend, former colleague, someone

:41:42.:41:45.

I was involved in, rings me and asks why it is taking so long for

:41:45.:41:49.

their mortgage to go through. The banks are simply not lending to

:41:49.:41:53.

people. They say that they are and all of the anecdotal evidence I am

:41:54.:41:59.

seeing says they are not. So, yes, I think the Bank of Mum and Dad

:41:59.:42:02.

should be better used, and I think that if people want to give their

:42:03.:42:05.

children money to buy a property, they should be allowed to do so and

:42:05.:42:10.

should not be taxed. But I also think that someone has to kick the

:42:10.:42:19.

banks, and kick them hard. Danny Alexander. Kirsty is right to say

:42:19.:42:24.

that in a lot of parts of the country, housing is simply too

:42:24.:42:28.

expensive for first-time buyers to afford. Therefore, as well as

:42:28.:42:33.

allowing the Bank of Mum and Dad to help, and we had an idea that, as a

:42:33.:42:36.

Government, we are developing and announced at our conference about

:42:36.:42:40.

allowing those mums and dads who do not have vast amounts of free cash

:42:40.:42:43.

to give their children but do have a pension fund that they have built

:42:43.:42:48.

up, where maybe they could release a lump sum early, use it to

:42:48.:42:51.

guarantee a deposit, that is another way that parents could be

:42:51.:42:55.

freed up to help kids buy a house. But we also need to build more

:42:55.:42:59.

affordable housing in this country. Recently, we announced a new policy

:42:59.:43:03.

of providing Government guarantees to housing associations to help

:43:03.:43:06.

them build more affordable homes more cheaply. That is something

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which is important here, too. There is more that we can do, but Kirsty

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is right about the banks, too. We have been kicking the banks, and we

:43:16.:43:19.

will continue to do so. Most recently the funding for lending

:43:19.:43:23.

scheme the Bank of England announced with the Treasury is a

:43:23.:43:26.

real push to the banks to lend more money to small businesses, which

:43:26.:43:31.

was mentioned earlier, and to people who need to buy houses, too.

:43:31.:43:36.

How are you kicking them? You have not been very effective. On

:43:36.:43:39.

Question Time over the last two years we have had endless people

:43:39.:43:42.

complaining about borrowing money and the person in your chair always

:43:43.:43:45.

so as they are putting pressure on the banks, and the person sitting

:43:46.:43:49.

there says, well, it does not make any difference.

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APPLAUSE the problems in the banking system

:43:56.:44:00.

are very deep-rooted and serious. It is taking a long time to change

:44:00.:44:04.

the culture of regulation, which we have changed, the structure of

:44:04.:44:08.

banks, which allowed them to have them lending to you and me and to

:44:08.:44:11.

small businesses, and have that polluted by international casino

:44:11.:44:15.

banking. Those are things we are changing. We have had several

:44:15.:44:18.

schemes to get them lending more, and the latest is by far the

:44:19.:44:22.

biggest, with the potential to increase bank lending by �80

:44:22.:44:25.

billion. The early signs are positive in terms of the amount of

:44:25.:44:29.

lending and the price of lending to people. We have put more money into

:44:29.:44:34.

a scheme which hopes to fund deposits through shared equity

:44:34.:44:37.

schemes for first-time buyers. We are putting Government money in to

:44:37.:44:41.

help first-time buyers get on the property ladder. But these are

:44:41.:44:51.
:44:51.:44:51.

deep-rooted problems which take a Let's hear reaction? Why are the

:44:51.:44:57.

banks not lend, then? There are a number of reasons why the banks are

:44:57.:45:03.

not lending, but mainly due to the fact that they made such hugely

:45:03.:45:08.

irresponsible decisions that they have to deal with that. They are

:45:08.:45:12.

overindebted. So, why kick them? You have to get

:45:12.:45:18.

them to help? The function that banks should be performing in an

:45:18.:45:21.

economy working well is lending responsible to individuals that

:45:21.:45:26.

want to buy homes and small businesses that need money to grow

:45:26.:45:33.

and we have to get the banks to move forward. Encouraging them to

:45:33.:45:37.

responsible activities. If people are to release their lump

:45:37.:45:41.

sum pensions to fund their children buying a property, then what are

:45:41.:45:46.

those parents going to live on when they are pensioners? It will not be

:45:46.:45:50.

state pension? Harriet Harman? Do you like the idea of the use of the

:45:50.:45:54.

pension to buy a house for your children? I think it is an

:45:54.:45:59.

absolutely balmy idea! For a start, only a very small percentage of

:45:59.:46:05.

people have pension pots which are big enough, so they, you would be

:46:05.:46:08.

only helping a small number of people, but the idea that people

:46:08.:46:12.

should gamble pension pots on the property market is absolutely

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beyond bonkers. I do think that actually, even the Bank of Mum and

:46:17.:46:20.

Dad is not working now as the Bank of Mum and Dad was a way of helping

:46:20.:46:24.

a young person get a mortgage and even that is not working. That's

:46:24.:46:30.

why we suggested one way forward would be to have a tax on the pool

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of bonuses that banks pay to their top executives and use that money

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for helping construction of building more homes which would

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provide jobs as well as providing more homes. I do think it is wrong

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that the Government are watering down the planning laws which said

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that councils could say that as a condition of property developer

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being able to develop a property that they would have to build some

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affordable homes at the same time. I think it is disappointing that

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they are not doing that. I feel passionately about more,

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better quality low-cost homes, but the prok lem -- problem about the

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planning regulation, it stopped people building. They sat on the

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pools of land. The big companies, the big ing if firms have huge

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parcels of land. They are waiting for what they see is the right

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climate to build. It is incredibly important when anybody builds

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anything that there should abproportion of low-cost homes, but

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in some areas of London where it was 50%, they did not build. So you

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find the point at which they will start building and there is enough

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low-cost homes to build. I think that there has been a

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generational shift in that people in their early 20s aspired to their

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own home, most of us accept it may happen in our 30s, in the meantime

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they are renting, but it would be a help if there is control in the

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rents, especially in the south-east. APPLAUSE.

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I think that suggestion is far more helpful than tax relief on the Bank

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of Mum and Dad that will help only a section of privileged middle-

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class people to the people at the bottom of the property ladder, it

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does not make a difference. They have not any money, their parents

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do I have money... So controlled rents? I think anything that helps

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people at the bottom. That is where the money should go. In helping

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those at the bottom of the ladder. There is tax relief on parents

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lending money is something that is meaningless to the vast majority of

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people. It helps a small section of society, again, people who are more

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likely to vote Conservative. It does not help the vast majority of

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people. Why is the Government so powerless

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to control the banks? You run the country? Why can't you just say to

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them a proportion of this money we have given you, �375 billion in

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quantitative easing, which went into the banking system and

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disappeared, why not say that a certain percent of that must be

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lent to people to buy houses? �375 million went to debt. Not all

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to the banks, but the gentleman in front is right. We hate the banks

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but we kick them and it is making it harder for them to lend if you

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put a tax on a billion pounds. It stops them lending �1 billion. We

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put up capita ratios it reduces the amount of money that they can lend.

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So there was a loan with the boom, but we put them up when there is a

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bust. This is the wrong way round. Put them up to choke off a boom in

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lending when it is getting out of hand. When there is a dirth of

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money, reduce the capital ratios so that the banks have money to lend.

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So it is better that banks do the business of banking rather than

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governments, the history of governments running things is not a

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very satisfactory one. I think we have time for one more

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question it goes to the heart of what has been going on in Brighton.

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Rebeba Adams has the question. After two years in clielgs

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collision Government is anyone listening to Nick Clegg? Is anyone?

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Apart from when he is singing on YouTube. Steve Coogan? He listen.ed

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to me. I went to see him. He ensured me that he would ensure

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that the fans of the Leveson report would be implemented. So, I was

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pleased with him. Whether he can get that past David Cameron, I am

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not so sure. The question is whether you were

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listening to him, not whether he was listening to you? I was

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listening to him as he was telling me what I wanted to hear. Whether

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he can follow through it with it, I don't know. I am pleased that the

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liberals are part of the coalition. They put the brakes on the Tories.

:51:18.:51:24.

Maybe not as much as we would like, but had they not been there, they

:51:24.:51:29.

were the fly in the Tory ointment, the more flies in Tory ointment,

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the better, as far as I am concerned, but whether people will

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listen to him, I don't know. I think that David Cameron has to

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listen to him to some extent. As I don't think that the Tories will

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get an overall majority at the in connection election.

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Harriet Harman? I think if people are listening to Nick Clegg

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theyline wondering what he said before the last election. If you

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say you are going to increase the number of police officers by 3,000,

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then vote to cut the number of police officers by 15,000, you know

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if you say you are not going to put up VAT and straight away do that, I

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think that people lose faith, but I also think, this is where I am not

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sure that I agree with Steve on this, I think what has happened is

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that you know if the Lib Dems fight for the pupil premium, then the

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Tories let them have it, but they take away twice as much with the

:52:25.:52:28.

other hand with the education spending and Sure Start if you

:52:28.:52:33.

think of what the Lib Dems fought for in the manifesto of increasing

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the threshold before paying tax and they won that, but then ended up

:52:39.:52:42.

voting to cut tax credits and putting up VAT. So what you have

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had is the Lib Dems trying to give with one hand and the Government

:52:47.:52:51.

taking away twice as much with the other. I think that Nick Clegg at

:52:51.:52:56.

his krches, they answered the question, -- at his conference

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answered the question, which is what are Lib Dems for? It seems to

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me that the answer to that question is that they are there to prop up

:53:05.:53:11.

the Tories. Many people think at the next

:53:11.:53:20.

election that maybe they'll be propping up Labour? We are fighting

:53:20.:53:25.

for an overall majority. You know people have just one vote. We are

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seeing that precious vote you give, we are asking you to give that the

:53:29.:53:37.

Labour Party. The idea that people do deals behind closed doors...

:53:37.:53:44.

Harriet! Come on! I'm sorry, Kirsty, we are not doing deals behind

:53:44.:53:50.

closed doors. Alistair, Peter, Gordon, were not trying to do deals

:53:50.:53:58.

behind closed door? -- doors? are not... In the situation where

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we are now the -- before a general election, we are being straight

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with people. We want an overall majority. We are not doing deals.

:54:08.:54:11.

The only Lib Dem telephone number that I have got in my phone

:54:11.:54:16.

contacts is actually Danny. That's right.

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Well, there you go... Maybe we will have a chat... Maybe a chat on the

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train home later. So, you don't obviously rule out a

:54:27.:54:29.

coalition with the Liberal Democrats after the next election

:54:29.:54:35.

if the figures worked out for you to have one? I am not a political

:54:35.:54:39.

commentator. I am arguing and putting forward what our position

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is and asking people to vote for that. You can't, we have a first-

:54:44.:54:48.

past-the-post system. People have one vote. You cannot vote for a

:54:48.:54:52.

coalition. You can either vote for the Government, which is the Lib

:54:52.:54:56.

Dem and the Tories or vote for the alternative. Which is Labour.

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Jacob Rees-Mogg, what do you think, are people listening to Nick Clegg

:55:00.:55:05.

after two years? I don't like coalitions. I wish that the

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Conservatives had won an overall majority. I don't like coalitions,

:55:09.:55:13.

I think it allows the politicians to abandon policies. That is a bad

:55:13.:55:19.

thing. We should be elected on a clear manifesto and deliver on it

:55:19.:55:23.

or not, not to say we are in a clielgs, we cannot do it. Having

:55:23.:55:27.

said that, the politicians have to deal with what we are given. We

:55:27.:55:32.

were given a coalition. You could have been given a minority

:55:32.:55:38.

government? People have. Then you have another election? They have

:55:38.:55:47.

not. Harold Wilson had a Liberal /Labour pact.

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In 70, he had a minority government... No he did not, he had

:55:53.:55:57.

it in' 74. All I am saying is that you don't

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have to gov entrepreneur as a majority government? We rarely have

:56:03.:56:08.

minority governments. There was a period in the '70s and the '60s,

:56:08.:56:14.

where Wilson had a small majority. In the '70s he went into a Lib/Lab

:56:14.:56:19.

pact, but the parties have to deal with what the electorate delivers.

:56:19.:56:24.

Actually, I think that Nick Clegg, I can hardly bring myself to say

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this... Try! Try! He was rather noble two years ago in going into

:56:30.:56:35.

coalition to the great disadvantage to his party because we were facing

:56:35.:56:39.

a huge financial crisis. Remember the weekend after the election was

:56:39.:56:43.

the point at which Greece was asking for its first bail out. At

:56:43.:56:48.

that point the interest rate on UK guilts was the same as on Spanish

:56:48.:56:52.

debt. Now we are at a fraction of Spanish debt. We had to do with

:56:52.:56:57.

that financial crisis. We needed a clear Government. We could not have

:56:57.:57:01.

a minority government that could be chucked out in a few weeks and

:57:01.:57:06.

another election and a period of uncertainty. So much as it pains me

:57:06.:57:10.

to say it, much though I don't like coalitions, I think that Nick Clegg

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did a noble thing then and deserves to be listened to up to the next

:57:14.:57:18.

election and then I hope you will listen exclusively to David Cameron

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and not to anybody else. We have crossed our 60 minutes,

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Danny. If you could be brief, I would be grateful?

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The first thing to say is that single pearl governments have

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broken a lot of promises. Reb the Labour policy of ethical foreign

:57:37.:57:41.

policy. Remember the war in Iraq? Boom and bust? The mess that they

:57:41.:57:45.

made of our economy? I think that people are listening to Nick Clegg

:57:45.:57:48.

and to the Liberal Democrats as we made the right decision for the

:57:48.:57:51.

country to go into coalition and we are delivering many of the things

:57:51.:57:55.

that we care about. We are delivering income tax cuts for 24

:57:55.:57:59.

million working people in this country. We are delivering extra

:57:59.:58:02.

investment in schools and nursery education for the most

:58:02.:58:05.

disadvantaged children. Delivering support for the green agenda in

:58:05.:58:09.

this country. The Liberal Democrats are making a real difference to

:58:09.:58:14.

this country ags part of a strong stable country to sort out the

:58:14.:58:18.

country's economic problems and I am very proud that we are part of

:58:18.:58:23.

this Government. Kirstie Allsopp, a lasting quick

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word? Is anybody really listening? Not to you! It is interesting you

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mention the war in Iraq. If Nick Clegg told me we would pull out of

:58:35.:58:40.

Afghanistan early, I would listen to him. My mother-in-law told my

:58:40.:58:43.

other half that more servicemen committed suicide in Afghanistan

:58:44.:58:47.

than have died in combat. If this is true it is the most

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heartbreaking thing I have heard. Every time with a Question Time,

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when this war we are still engaged in does not come up, I think what

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on earth is going on? APPLAUSE Well, I'm sorry it didn't come up

:59:02.:59:07.

this week, but our time is up. We are in mar next week. We have Ken

:59:07.:59:12.

Clarke and the boss of British Airways, Willie Walsh and after

:59:12.:59:16.

that in Birmingham. So if you would like to come to Manchester or

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David Dimbleby chairs Question Time from Brighton. On the panel: Labour's Deputy Leader Harriet Harman MP, Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander MP, Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, TV presenter Kirstie Allsopp and comedian Steve Coogan.


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