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cut down on litter. It is time now for

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intense diplomacy as the world Welcome to this

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intense diplomacy as the world ponders what kind of action to take

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this area we will bring you reports and analysis from our correspondence

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inside In this week 's programme, the

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battle former Lawler. frontline with Syrian government

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troops fighting rebels near Damascus. I have been talking to

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are local men, some Christians, who are local men, some Christians, who

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say they are fighting for the town and what it stood for. As well as

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that they are Bashar al—Assad that they are Bashar al—Assad

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loyalists. Ian Pannell reports from the opposition stronghold in the

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north—west. It is under constant fire from government forces.

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Both sides are bracing themselves for what might come from the

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international community. They are still fighting each other as hard as

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ever. Waiting for a ceasefire, we report

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from northern Jordan as it struggles to cope with the continuing influx

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of refugees. And divided loyalties, we are steering it ends in the US

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weather they back Western weather they back Western

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intervention. —— Syrian. Stand—up comedy cup. It is sending the

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message that you do not really get a flat on the hand. You get your

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weapons taken away from you. weapons taken away from you.

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American plans for military action against Syria were put on hold this

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week after a Russian diplomatic initiative the Syrians said they

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were ready to place their weapons, the chemical weapons under

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were ready to place their weapons, international control. The US,

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Britain, and France are still want a binding United Nations resolution

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rails. But Russia disagrees. As the telling the Syrians to comply or

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international community debates its international community debates its

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grinds on. I joined Syrian grinds on. I

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government troops in Maaloula, a government troops in

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town wholly to Christians. They were town wholly to Christians. They

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not trying to drive out some of the not trying to drive out some of the

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armed rebels. They were armed rebels. They were led by a

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militia linked to Al Qaeda. armed rebels. They were led by a

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Christian pilgrims used to take this road into Maaloula.

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Now it is an empty and lonely drive. The road has been fought over

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several times seized Maaloula last week. The

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civilians who lived here, half Christian and half Muslim, fled. It

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was late afternoon. Since the was late afternoon. Since the

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morning the Syrian army had been assaulting the town and had seized

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the main square. But the heavy gunfire showed that the rebels were

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still fighting back. The commander told me his men were pushing up

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towards a rebel stronghold. Among the rebel militias that seized

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Maaloula last week was the Northrop front, Jihad is who are allied with

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Al Qaeda. Most of the Syrian troops trying to push the Mount Wood

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volunteers who had joined a territorial Force called National

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Defence. TRANSLATION:. They are a terrorist

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group and they are destroying Syria. They are destroying churches and

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mosques. Maaloula has some of the oldest

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Christian churches in the Middle East. Its people, now in Damascus,

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still speak Aramaic, the language they believe was spoken by Christ.

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sects in Syria support the regime, sects in Syria support the regime,

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or believe it is a better option than 80 harvest rebels and foreign

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fighters. They say they are trying to flush out a sniper who is at the

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fighting for the town. They are also to some of the soldiers. A lot of

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fighting for the town. They are also Bashar al—Assad loyalists and are

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treasured by every Christian in the fighting for him. Maaloula is

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treasured by every Christian in the Middle East and the rebel advance

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here here horrified them. The Syrian army

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is well supplied with arms and ammunition by Russia and Iran. Fresh

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troops including more volunteers from Christian areas in Damascus got

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ready to go into action. The men he said Western countries opposed to

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the Assad regime were said Western countries opposed to

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the Assad r? I the Assad rthe the Assad regime were backing the

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wrong side. And that they should help them fight Jihad is.

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TRANSLATION: Tell the EU and the Americans that we send them Saint

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Paul 2000 years ago to take you Paul 2000 years ago to take you from

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the darkness and YouSendIt the darkness and YouSendIt

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terrorists to kill us. terrorists to kill us.

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Wounded men were rushed back from the frontline. This is the reality

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of the war in Syria. The outside world is worrying about chemical

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weapons, but conventional weapons have killed more than 100,000 people

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Kilmore every day. —— kill more. As Kilmore every day. —— kill more. As

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we left Maaloula jets were looking for more targets. Supporters of

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pro—Western arm drag those thought that the Americans might tilt the

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war their way by attacking the regime's armed forces. The fact that

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the world's most powerful military might

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very good news for the Syrian army and its supporters. It is not just

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Maaloula where the civil war is still going on. This fighting is

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going on in other parts of the journalists operating in the north

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Pannell has been among the journalists operating in the north

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of Syria. They travel to a place called Taftanaz which is used as a

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base by opposition fighters. report contains distressing images.

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Syrians live in fear of many things, but it is so—called conventional

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weapons, not chemicals, that has killed so many. For the last two

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years Taftanaz has been bombed and shelves. Each attack recorded by a

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local media activist, Ibrahim. Weaving among the rubble and ruins

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he guided us through the devastation inflicted on his village. He films

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the fighter jets last year and this is what he says he films a feud Acer

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go. Another aerial attack that left 14 dead, many more injured. The

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rebels have used Taftanaz as a base. When the government responds

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it is usually civilians who died. This was not the worst day Taftanaz

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has known, possibly mean —— not the has known, possibly mean —— not the

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worst in Syria that day. But the attacks have increased. Ebrahim

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suspects it is because of the threat of American air strikes.

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TRANSLATION: Before the strike they were jealous with missiles and

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artillery. They are all civilians here. It has gotten heavier. The

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regime was to prove it is still strong and will not surrender.

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This is where one of the bombs landed in the latest attack. Many

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families have fled the fighting but came home, thinking it was now safe.

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They were wrong. This 14 —month—old child was playing in the house when

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the bomb landed. His face is a testament to the random brutality of

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the war. His father is angry at what the war. His father is angry at what

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he sees as the indifference of the world. If America decides to pause

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close to attack it will only make it worse.

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silence? Is it because we are more silence? Is it because we

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slums? What religion U2 are you Christian, Jewish? —— because we are

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more slums. You have seen the destruction. The chemical attacks,

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the shelling. What did anyone do? It watching us. Like millions of others

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country. His family on the move, country. His family on the move,

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desperate for shelter and safety. Few parts of Syria offer that

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comfort. Events on the ground have consistently outpaced the

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international debate about what to international debate about what to

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do and up in the rocky hills of the North the struggle between the army

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and the rebels is undiminished. There has been a fairly bitter

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fighting going on in this area in the last four or five days. This

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region has been contested heavily over the last year and a half. Both

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for what might come from the for what might come from the

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international community, there is no pause or Lyell and they are fighting

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each other as hard as ever. While one side fears the possibility of

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air strikes the other sees an air strikes the other sees an

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opportunity. Rebels talk of using them to push forward. If it does not

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now happen they could feel resentment and marginalise more

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moderate groups are ready to engage with the West. The struggle for

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control of Syria has left large swathes of land abandoned, roads

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impassable. At night of the lights of government—controlled cities in

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darkness. Syrians have starkly different views on the future. What

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they can agree on is that they can agree on is that the

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suffering must end. neighbours are watching closely.

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neighbours are watching Many Jordanians believe a strike on

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Damascus could make the crisis even worse. But many Syrian refugees in

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Jordan hope the west will intervene so that they get a chance to go back

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home. It is now 2.5 years since the crisis which became a war started in

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Syria and changed the lives of those people who became refugees. Our

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reporter is in northern Jordan, where she found a Syrians and

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Jordanians brain brands to the wall. Back to school at last. Many of the

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Syrian boys, this is a return to routine after more than two years

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with no classes. They are now pupils and refugees in Jordan. Lessons

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start in the afternoon, after the Jordanian children have gone home.

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Syrian students have a lot of catching up to do. They need special

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attention from teachers. This boy 's mum walks home. Their family of

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eight now lives in this tiny apartment. When they compare it to

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their home back in Syria, it is very their home back in Syria, it is very

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upsetting. TRANSLATION: Powerhouse that has memories and history. We

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built it up over 20 years, then it built it up over 20 years, then it

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was all gone in a second. Her was all gone in a second. Her

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will only end in the west helps to will only end in the west helps to

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get rid of resident Bishara al—Assad. —— basher

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get rid of resident Bishara TRANSLATION: He should have been

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attacked long ago. If there was attacked long ago. If there was a

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strike six months ago, the problem would be solved. Jordanians also

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door that has brought more than half door that has brought more than half

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a million a million Syrians to live in the

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country. In just the past year or so, the area has been transformed.

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Because the city is close to the border with Syria, a lot of refugees

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three people here is a Syrian. It is three people here is a Syrian. It is

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put in this and living costs are rising. Locals

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worry the situation could get even worse. The rents, the

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will happen if the Americans make a will happen if the Americans make a

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strike on Syria? We will have a disaster in Jordan. Can you imagine

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if they hit Syria. You will have millions of people coming. The

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increasingly crowded streets will see the effects of whatever happens

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next in Syria. But even here, there is even disagreement about how the

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west should act is even disagreement about how the

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After the chemical attack on Damascus on the 21st of August, it

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about to intervene in the civil war. about to intervene in the civil war.

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All of those plans are on hold at the moment, after the Russians came

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Syrian chemical weapons under Syrian chemical weapons under

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international control. We international control. We

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investigate whether that plan could really work.

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The images of that is of the August 21 attack in Damascus are amongst

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the most haunting the world is ever likely to see. Each side of the

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civil war in Syria blames the other. Samples gathered by the inspection

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team that visited the site are being subjected to forensic investigators

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reckons the nation. Under reckons the nation. Under the

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oversight under the Hague. The proposal to hand over chemical

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examinations. And who would handle about

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substantial numbers of personnel on the understanding that

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guided by the UN in an unpredictable environment. That is hard to judge.

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Maybe there will be a kind of crowd contagion effect when more countries

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put their hands up to do it. One scientist here in Geneva told us he

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thinks the safest way to dismantle the weapons is by putting people

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physically on the ground. He told us there may well be clues buried in

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the spec 's report about who was responsible for the attacks on

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civilians. Though he is still civilians. Though he is still

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puzzled. The question is about the amount. That whole thing was all

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filled up with agent. Calculations show that could up to —— could be up

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to 50 litres of agent. It is not easy to make up that much. This

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system has been adapted to fire a system has been adapted to fire a

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chemical payload. It is not look like the sort of thing I would

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expect in a standard chemical expect in a standard chemical

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weapons stockpile. Does that lead you to come down to was down towards

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one solar and other can —— one side or another? I am still on the fence.

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Once the samples from Syria arrive with the organisation of the

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Prohibition of chemical weapons here Prohibition of chemical weapons here

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in The Hague, they were split up and sent to several laboratories for the

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start of a painstaking process to identify the chemical signature of

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any chemicals they might contain. Is the plan to read Syria of chemical

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weapons for the future realistic? It is practical of the world wants it

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weapons for the future realistic? It to work, but it is dangerous and

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difficult. You could get people out political will were found, but the

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actual destruction actual destruction of the chemicals

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would not be impossible, but it would take months, I would suspect.

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And that is if you agree that you have them all. There may be disputes

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over the validity of any declaration which

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down. If Syria is really prepared, as it has said, to tell the world

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where its chemical weapons are and stopped making them, the experts we

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have spoken to see the chance to put them beyond use is an opportunity.

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But for it to work, dialogue on all sides must be sincere.

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Opinion polls suggest that the majority of people in the United

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States are against the idea of the Americans intervening in Syria's

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civil war. But what about those civil war. But what about those US

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citizens who are of Syrian ancestry? Our reporter travelled to a place

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known as Little Arabia in California, where a thriving

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watching what is happening here very watching what is happening here very

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closely. Another sunny day in Anaheim,

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Southern California. In a section of the city known as Little Arabia,

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home to the growing Middle Eastern population, Syrian Americans are

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preoccupied. Over tea in the bakery, I met Muhamed, Cezanne and others.

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Their parents fled the regime. We live and breed Syria here. It is all

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we talk about. It is all we do. We we talk about. It is all we do.

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are at every event and protest. We are at every event and protest. We

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are very affected by it. Here, the proposal for Syria to put its

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chemical weapons under international control is viewed with scepticism. I

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feel it is a copout. It is sending the message that you don't really

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your weapons taken away from you. This is an anxious and

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than two years, they have watched time for Syrian Americans. For

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than two years, they have watched 7.5 thousand —— 7000 500 miles from

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here. The divisions are underlined. These men say the Syrian —— these

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men say the Syrian rebels are terrorists, trying to overthrow the

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legitimate. The Syrian people want to kill the terrorists. If you're

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not going to do the right thing and not going to do the right thing and

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help Syria fight against these terrorists, you stay out of it. Let

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the country 's battle it out. It is a civil war. The mood is very

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different at a meeting for the Syrian American Council. This man

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lost seven weapons in the —— seven relatives in the suspect chemical

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weapons attack, and he feels America is backing away from abstract. If

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the strike does not happen, things will be very devastating for the

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Syrian people. We are telling the regime that it is okayed to use

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chemical weapons and no one will punish you. Whatever happens next,

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Syrian Americans are left watching and waiting, gripped by events on

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another continent. another continent.

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That is all from the special edition of reporters. Goodbye for now.

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