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Welcome to our rolling news coverage of the momentous decisions that have

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been taken in Scotland overnight. Scotland has voted No to

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independence. We will be bringing you the latest reaction and events

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as they happen. For those of you who have just switched on, we will have

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a round-up of what has been happening in the last few hours.

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Yes, 114,148. No, 139,788. This is the moment the referendum result was

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confirmed. 140,000 voters in Fife would take the No support across the

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finish line. Soon afterwards, the First Minister accepted the result

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and praised the people of Scotland for an 86% turnout, but had this

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message for his Westminster counterparts. On behalf of the

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Scottish Government, I accept the result and pledged to work

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constructively in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the United

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Kingdom. The Unionist parties made promises lead in the campaign to

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devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect these to be

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ordered in rapid course. -- honoured. The Prime Minister went

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further, announcing powers to be devolved to all four nations on the

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same timescale as Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who so successfully

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led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, as agreed to oversee the process to

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take forward these devolution commitments, with powers over tax,

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spending and welfare agreed by November and draft legislation

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published by January. Just as the people of Scotland will have more

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power over their affairs, the people of England, Wales and Northern

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Ireland must have a bigger say over theirs. This had been a long night

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and it would be several hours before the picture would become clear. The

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first result came in at 1:30am. Yes, 16,350. No, 19,036. The people of

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Clackmannanshire voted No. 54% of them setting the tone for the night.

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At the Better Together headquarters the mood was buoyant, no knowledge

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of what was come, but confidence nonetheless. For those who supported

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us and that great team of volunteers...

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APPLAUSE All of the political parties who

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work for this outcome, I want to say thank you. Among the first to

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declare what the islands, with the Western Isles result coming in

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Gaelic. The language might have been different, but the result was the

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same. The campaign's chairman appeared to set all. On the streets

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of Glasgow, the initial losing streak did not damage the party

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atmosphere. Hundreds were in George Square to mark an important day in

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Scotland's history. Spirits were high. Dundee was the first to go to

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Yes. It was decisive and made the race neck and neck. Then the biggest

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moment of the night when Yes took the lead. For five minutes, the glum

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faces were gone and it was high fives. The Yes stood at -- Yes

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campus stood at 52%. No, 70,039. Feeling almost broken-hearted. I

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feel that the British establishment has mobilised the big guns.

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Mobilised the bankers, the billionaires, supermarkets, there

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might have been corralled into Number 10 together warnings to

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frighten people -- to give warnings. The 32 counts went off almost

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flawlessly. Apart from in Dundee, where there was a fire alarm. A few

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brave police officers guarded the ballot papers. The majority of valid

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thoughts cast yesterday by the people of Scotland in response to

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the referendum question should Scotland be an independent country

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were in favour of No. By the time Mary Pitcaithly made her

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declaration, it was long over. For some, it was proving too match.

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Shortly after 5pm, the BBC called the referendum with the people of

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Scotland rejecting independence. It is the end of chapter one but the.

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Read is still to be written. -- full story.

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I am joined by our political correspondent. The turnout was

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almost 85%. Extraordinary. Other than the phenomenal result, it is a

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story of huge turnout. Huge voting engagement, which we knew about and

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were expecting a turnout of more than 80%. Some of the smaller

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islands like Orkney and Shetland were quite high as well. To have

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more than 80% in an election like this shows how important the

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Scottish voters saw this, as an issue not of party politics but

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about the future of the nation. It has proved a useful and exceedingly

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popular project. To bring people up to date, the final result was pretty

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decisive for No, but was a much bigger tab each vote then anyone

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would have expected -- bigger Yes vote. The last opinion poll which

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was done last night, 55 for No and 45 for Yes, which is what the

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eventual outcome was. It does not explain the narrowing of the opinion

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polls we saw over the last couple of weeks which persuaded the No

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campaign to come out and offer those further powers. Had those opinion

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poll is not taken, perhaps we would not have got those promises. David

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Cameron has said it will mean change for England, Wales and Northern

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Ireland as well. To get onto issues we will be discussing through the

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morning, we have gone from last night waiting to see if Scotland was

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going to leave the United Kingdom to this morning a debate about English

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MPs being allowed to cheat England as if it was a separate country. --

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treat. The reason David Cameron had to come out and say what he did,

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that the other parts of the UK would benefit from Scotland's vote, was

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that there were so many Conservative backbenchers promising to derail the

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proposals to give further powers to Scotland as a result of this vote,

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not least people calling for an English Parliament. David Cameron

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was promising to resolve the West Lothian question as a result of that

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unhappiness with him going ahead with promising further powers for

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Scotland when I had not been a vote on this issue. It is not just

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England. The message from the Prime Minister and the Labour Party seems

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to be, we hear you, Scotland, we promise we will do what we said. It

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was interesting the fact that David Cameron said as much as he did this

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morning. There is a little bit of politics involved and the sense in

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which David Cameron had to try to seize the agenda and the initiative.

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If he did not, he would have left a background for the SNP to demand

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more powers. David Cameron had to come out with something quite big

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and radical. There is a long way between saying it and delivering it.

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There is an awful lot of hurdles to get through, a very tight timetable.

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This has to be done in some form by the election, otherwise the SNP will

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go into the election and say, those people let you down. He has to bring

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the SMP on board and the other three parties and he has made some

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promises to civic society as well that might SNP. There is no

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agreement even among the Unionist parties on what these accelerated

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powers should be. No agreement on the form either. If you look at what

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the Liberal Democrats have suggested, talking about federalism,

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it has to be something that is balanced. Federalism is one of the

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answers that leaves a balanced UK with each constituent part of the UK

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having some responsibility and the centre having responsibility as

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well, but how you work out what federalism is within the next six

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months, I have no idea. It is not just about bringing on board the

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SNP. This involves the whole of the United Kingdom. It is no longer just

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about Scotland. It is not unreasonable, many Conservative

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members of Parliament saying, hold on, we cannot just have some stitch

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up between Ed Miliband and David Cameron which is forced through

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parliament giving Scotland this, that and the other, we want a say.

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Over the last couple of days there were Conservatives saying it was

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unconstitutional to give further powers. And that this was a deal

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stitched up by the three pro-union parties to try to win the referendum

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in Scotland. They have a battle on their hands but David Cameron's

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words this morning will have gone some way to try to placate some of

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his backbenchers, although not people like Nigel Farage who has

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said he thinks that David Cameron's statement is not going far enough

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and he is not dealing with the English question. David Cameron was

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mentioning the West Lothian question which is the bugbear of lots of

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English Conservative MPs and others. It will be interesting to see what

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they propose on that because so far no one has, with a firm we to solve

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that. Let me bring in two guests. The former First Minister, you must

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be delighted. Given what your politics are, are you delighted? I

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would not go as far as that, jersey I was delighted. There has been a

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political battle and the No campaign has won. Scotland has given the

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world a masterclass in terms of how campaigns should be operated and

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there was a huge Yes vote. There is a benefit for everyone. We have

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discussed this previously. You said you were going to vote No. Did you?

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I bought my soul earlier. Yes, I did. -- bore. The biggest success

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story was Scotland itself in one of the interesting points that has been

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referred to already, the Prime Minister has made a statement, he is

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right to go into the breach and make some comment, but one of the most

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divisive issues at Westminster is English votes for English laws

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because it is not an cancer to the West Lothian question -- answer.

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What he might be doing, and I heard Douglas Alexander avoid the

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question, I do not think Labour will support that because you would be

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the barring 41 Labour MPs from every issue.

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Let's say there is a Labour government after the next election

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and a Tory majority in England, every time that government wanted to

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pass something to do with the health service in England, it could be

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blocked? Exactly. But the other point is that it is not just

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Scotland's issue. It is a UK issue. What it needs is certainly to honour

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the commitment made to Scotland but not to rush at it. The devolution

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Bill... Except they are rushing out at! Exactly. Devolution went through

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the proper convention and a whole range of people, it went through. It

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has to be good legislation and it also has to be about saying, that

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can be done properly, but then he has to open up for a sensible debate

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on what happens in Wales, England and Northern Ireland. Don't run so

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fast at it even if the First Minister is pressing, because at the

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end of the day, it is what Scotland needs to go forward, not to get the

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three traditional Unionist parties out of a bit of panic-buying. Gordon

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Wilson, is that it? Is this it for maybe not the lifetime of people who

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were born yesterday, but certainly the lifetime of old buffers like you

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and me? I'm glad you associate me with your youth! Think last night I

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was disappointed. But as a veteran, bruised and battered from previous

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encounters, I had high hopes and low expectations, because I thought this

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was a very early referendum and Scotland is still in transition from

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being British to being Scottish. And I've taken some heart, and I think

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quite obviously the No campaign will be jubilant. They have won and kept

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Scotland within the United Kingdom. Look at it the other way. Scotland

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has always palled around about 30 to 35% for independence and this

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referendum on that basis would have been a gamble. -- pulled around. Now

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we are up to 45% and two industrial areas have voted yes. 45% is a

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good, solid platform for take-off. Now, I am not suggesting at all that

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this will occur quickly. But we are into Harold Macmillan territory.

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Remember when he was wielding the axe in desperation in his Cabinet.

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He also said politicians can never control the future. It may well be

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that it is not the Scots who will be given independence, it is the

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English who will propel the Scots into independence. It all depends on

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the attitude in the South. The intelligent ones, the statesman,

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will probably want to buy Scotland with some powers. There are plenty

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of non-statesmen there and people who look at it from a little

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Englander point of view. But it is a point that the financier raised in

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an article in Financial Times. That's say David Cameron get this

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referendum on Europe and England decides to leave the European Union

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and Scotland votes substantially to stay. If ever there was a time to

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have a referendum on independence for Scotland, it would be then,

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because Scotland had decided to go in a completely different --

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different direction from the rest of the UK. Clearly nobody is going to

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commit themselves to another referendum in our lifetime

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generation. Although I noticed a wicked smile creeping on Gordon

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Wilson's face when I mentioned that! Well, he has been involved. But

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let's take the point of the 2015 elections to Westminster and in the

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2016 elections. The interesting point about moving... I mean, the

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powers on offer are not about home rule or federalism or devo max. But,

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for example, to be provocative, if we had a federal system, maybe

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Scotland would like to say to David Cameron in the years ahead, I tell

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you what, if you are going to have a debate and a referendum on in and

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out of Europe, I tell you what the deal is. The whole of the UK has the

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majority for coming out but, by the way, each of the four countries will

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have a veto, so we cannot come out of the EU on the back of English

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votes alone. What do you mean? So England votes to leave the EU and

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Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland or any one of them can say no? It is

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a twin devolution, which is not shared, and actually getting to a

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point where Scotland has a real say. -- it is between devolution. But

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that is what you are saying? England could vote no to the European Union

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and Scotland could vote to stay in and veto it? We are at the early

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days of debating a future form of federalism. But what would be the

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reaction in Scotland, which is proven in opinion polls to be more

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pro-Europe, if, in 2017, we decide to exit from the European Union on

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the back of English votes? If that was not a basis for further

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discussion and strife up here, I don't know what would be. We have to

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be more creative. That is why I'm against the Prime Minister

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suggesting we have to go with him to implement some powers for Scotland,

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we might do a bit of England and their Wales and then Northern

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Ireland. This does not make sense in lawmaking but it does open up the

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idea that Scotland's strength has been improved as part of this

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referendum campaign and we should not be easily led into a situation

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of just minor powers when, in fact, there is a bigger price to be had.

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Whatever you make of the details of that, this idea of creative thinking

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- that would have to come from the Scottish Government as well rather

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than banging on all the time about how we need independence. It would

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be coming up with some ideas for how to make the UK work better and how

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to make Scotland work better within it? The more I look at the sclerotic

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United Kingdom, it is beginning to remember Austria-macro hungry before

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the dissolution. It is confusing... -- Austria and Hungary. I am sure

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the Czechs in the Austro-Hungarian Empire were quite keen to rule as

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well. I don't think the British state in its current form is capable

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of reformation. That is what I am saying. It is a post-imperial

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situation and England controls it, and if you go to a federation, and

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heel I disagree, there is no way that the nation of England, powerful

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and strong as it is, would ever agree to a veto from the minor

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Celtic countries. -- and here I disagree. We are about to guarantee

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a macro what Alistair Darling is saying. Where we have a strong

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constitutional arrangement and power, but also people want to see

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the world in which they live change. They want more jobs, more secure

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funding, better education for their children, and, above all,

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opportunities for their children and grandchildren. We believe we can do

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that in Scotland but we do it best by working with the rest of the UK.

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And it isn't just constitutions that we should be concerned with.

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Although we have made a clear commitment to the people of Scotland

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to strengthen the powers of the Scottish Parliament, and we must

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live on that. One of the strengths I think over the last couple of years,

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as Joanne said, is that we have shown we can work with other

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parties, and, critically, work with many people of no party at all. One

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of the most encouraging things about last night was not only the fact

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that the turnout was in the high 80s and in some parts of Scotland,

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90% of the electorate voted, but people were engaged in this argument

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in a way I have not seen throughout my political life. And it does

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demonstrate to me two things. As I say, we can work with other

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political parties where we agree with them, and where we disagree as

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well, and of course we have to argue these points, but where we agree we

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should work with each other. But also if you have a popular cause and

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a good case to make, then you can infuse people, which is something I

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think all the political parties need to learn, our own included. If we

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can get people infused about our cause and about how we can improve

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and make things better, then we can make sure what we saw last night is

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not a one-off. -- people infused. But perhaps it is the start of

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integration in politics throughout the UK and in Scotland. It brings me

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to my final point. Yes, we have worked together, and the three

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political parties have entered an agreement to deliver legislation to

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strengthen the Scottish Parliament, and we must deliver that on the

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timescale that was agreed, but of course we do have differences with

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the other parties on many, many issues, and in just nine months

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time, this country will go to a general election to choose the

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government for the next five years. And every single one of us needs to

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be out there hungry for that change, showing weekend and straight to

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people that the change they need for jobs, to make sure we can improve

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standards of living -- showing we can deliver to people. You can keep

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it going for another nine months at least following these 24 as we move

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towards another general election. I believe that not only can we win the

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next election and we -- but that we will. I look forward to Ed Miliband

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speaking to us later. Thank you. Friends, I want to start off by

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paying the warmest tribute to Alistair Darling, because after the

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2010 2000 election, you could have taken the easy way out. He could

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have decided to take a step back. -- the 2010 election. He played one of

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the most important roles in keeping this country together. Alistair,

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thank you. Thank you for what you did.

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APPLAUSE And I also want to thank every

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member of team Labour for what they did. I want to thank Johann Lamont

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for the brilliant job she did, I want to thank Jim Murphy, Gordon

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Brown, Douglas Alexander, every person who played that role in this

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campaign. Let us applaud them today. APPLAUSE

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But there is somebody... There is another set of people I want to

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think even more than that, and that is you. Because this would not have

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happened without you. Thank you for the street stalls, thank you for the

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phone banking, thank you for the leaflets, thank you for pounding the

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streets in rain and shine. And, friends, you will be able to tell

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your children and your grandchildren that you helped keep our country

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together, a historic achievement, and let us acknowledge it today.

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APPLAUSE Now, what was this a vote for? What

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was this a vote for? This was a vote for solidarity and social justice.

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This was a vote for our National Health Service, this was a vote for

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our welfare state, this was a vote for no because we know we are better

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together. And I want to say something also today as Alistair

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acknowledged to all of the people who voted yes. This Labour Party is

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determined to show over the coming years that we can be the vehicle for

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your hopes, your dreams, your aspirations for a better life for

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you, a better life for Scotland and a better life for the whole of the

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United Kingdom. APPLAUSE

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Now, friends, whether people voted no or yes in this referendum, let us

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be absolutely clear. This was a vote for change. Change doesn't ends

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today, change begins today. Because we know our country needs to

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change. We know our country needs to change in the waiters governed and

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we know our country needs to change in who it is governed for. -- in the

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way it is governed. As Alistair said, we will be leather on strong

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powers for a stronger Scottish Parliament, a stronger Scotland, --

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we will deliver, and I know all party leaders will meet their

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commitments to deliver on that promise.

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APPLAUSE And we will also meet the desire for

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change across England, across Wales, across the whole of the United

:27:50.:27:52.

Kingdom. Devolution is not just a good idea for Scotland and Wales, it

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is a good idea for England and, indeed, for Northern Ireland, as it

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already is, too. And we must also meet the thirst for change in

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reforming the whole of our country in who it works for. Because I heard

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from people as I went around this campaign people talking about

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stronger powers for Scotland, yes, but I also heard people saying, how

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can my life get better? How can my son or daughter get a job? How can

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we deal with insecurity at work? How can we build a better future for our

:28:27.:28:30.

children and grandchildren? We know those were the questions people were

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asking. They were not just asking questions about the Constitution and

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the way our politics works. They were asking about whether our

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country works for them, and they were telling us, and they are not

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just telling us this in Scotland, they are telling us this throughout

:28:47.:28:49.

our country, that our country only works for a tiny, elite few at the

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top, and this Labour Party knows that must change, and we will change

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it. APPLAUSE

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Friends, the last few weeks have been about keeping our country

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together, the last few months, the two years of this campaign. The next

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eight months are about how we change our country together. And you know,

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we need a party that can speak for the whole of the United Kingdom, for

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every party, for every part of the United Kingdom, for every set of

:29:28.:29:31.

people in the United Kingdom. There is a party that can do that,

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friends. That is the Labour Party. That is our party. And this is our

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responsibility in the months ahead - let us be able to tell our children,

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to tell our grandchildren that we did not just keep our country

:29:49.:29:53.

together, we changed our country together. That is our mission, that

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can be our achievement. Thank you so much for what you did, now let's go

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on and show the people of the whole of the United Kingdom how we intend

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to change our country. Thank you very much.

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APPLAUSE Well, let's go to the news now.

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Thank you very much, it has been a momentous night, Scotland has

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decided, and that decision is no. It is clear that the majority of the

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people voting have voted no to the referendum question.

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Well, the turnout was more than 84% of those registered to votes, the

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highest in any UK election since 1951. Glasgow, Scotland's largest

:30:43.:30:49.

council, voted in favour of independence, with Dundee, West

:30:50.:30:53.

Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire also voting yes. But there were big

:30:54.:31:00.

wins for the No vote in Aberdeen. The result in Fife took them across

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the finishing line, the margin of victory for the Better Together

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campaign was 55-45%, bigger than that anticipated by the final

:31:12.:31:15.

opinion polls. First Minister Alex Salmond conceded defeat but said

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Scotland would expect the three main British parties to make good on

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their promises of greater powers being devolved to the Scottish

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Parliament. Well, we don't seem to have that for

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you just at the moment. The Prime Minister said, though, that the

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result had been clear and that the debate had been settled for a

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generation. David Cameron said, the United Kingdom has come together to

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move forward. Well, I will be back later on, back now to Gordon.

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Thanks, Rona. We are going to go to Downing Street in a moment, but very

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quickly, I wanted to ask you, you were watching Ed Miliband there and

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shaking your head as if you were in complete despair. I do not think it

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was complete despair, but look, this is an interesting election for the

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new leader of the Labour Party, and I respect that. England and Scotland

:32:12.:32:16.

are politically diverging, so the agenda in England has to be

:32:17.:32:20.

different from what attracts voters in Scotland, but that said, it is

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important to note one thing he said, that they do not all agree on, you

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know, the powers, on where the future is holding. I would rather if

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Ed said, look, the No campaigners won and they take credit for

:32:36.:32:41.

victory, but what he has to do is pick Scotland into this wider

:32:42.:32:44.

constitutional review that is being talked about. For example, my fear

:32:45.:32:50.

is that in terms of the English votes for English laws, Labour

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cannot possibly sign up to that. What we need over the next few

:32:54.:32:57.

weeks, and I'm not expecting him to do it, but we need to explain to

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people, the powers that have been put forward, the timeline, a massive

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amount of work has got to be done on that to make sure that we don't just

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carry on with these powers knowing that we cannot make the unrealistic

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deadlines that have been imposed. I think Ed was in a difficult

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position, he has come to Scotland to show solidarity with the party and

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the country, that is to the good. But at times he's not well advised

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in relation to what is happening, and the mood in, which is so

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crucial, showing that degree of Scottish and as bad as vital as we

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move forward. All right, we will come back to you in a moment. --

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Scottishness that is vital. David, we have heard the Prime

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Minister this morning, I do not know if you could hear what Henry was

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saying about Ed Miliband, what is the feeling down there? I think the

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overwhelming view down here, actually, Gordon, is one of relief.

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The Prime Minister came out a couple of hours ago and made his

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statement, a lengthy statement in duration and also in content as

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well. He is well aware that to some extent one problem has been solved,

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Scotland remains within the Union, but he is also aware as well that

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everything does change from today. It has been a mentor is night, the

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status quo will not continue, there is going to be further

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constitutional reform. -- momentous. He said there would have

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to be change in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and he addressed

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the question of English votes, whereby a lot of Conservative MPs

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are worried that if Scotland gets more powers but Scottish MPs still

:34:41.:34:44.

have the same voting rights, the so-called West Lothian question, and

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there is a growing head of steam on Tory backbenches, but as far as they

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are concerned, there should be English votes for English matters,

:34:52.:34:56.

where only English MPs are allowed to vote 1 English matters. What we

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have seen, I think, over the past 24 hours is one issue to some extent

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resolved, are you Scotland is not going to leave the United Kingdom,

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Scotland is not going to be independent. That solves one

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problem, but David Cameron knows that he has to see the political

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initiative. -- sieze. I wonder, David, whether you feel there is an

:35:29.:35:32.

awareness there of some of the matter is that I think Henry McLeish

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was trying to raise, that there is a possibility that the political

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parties are now just thinking, thank heavens that is out of the road, we

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have got a general election coming up, and I think what Henry is time

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to say is that there may be a lack of sensitivity to realising that

:35:50.:35:55.

something quite important as happened in Scotland, and while the

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matters towards more devolution are important, we are not just straight

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into a general election campaign. That is the danger. First of all,

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there is huge relief in Downing Street as to what happened last

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night. I think there would be some whispering in the Prime Minister's

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here, look, it is over, we can move towards the general election, look

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at that in the future. I think other people are saying very loudly to

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David Cameron, you would ignore what has happened at your Parolo, hence

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why I think David Cameron has been keen to say that they will be

:36:26.:36:31.

bringing up draft legislation before the election. -- at your peril. They

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will not get it through the House of Commons and the House of Lords

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before the next general election, but in May 2015 whoever is in this

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place behind they will have to act on that. That is not to say that he

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would ever is in power it is going to be easy for them. As I said,

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there are many backbenchers who are unhappy with what is being proposed.

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-- whoever is in power. If the Conservative backbenchers in the

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House of Commons are a nappy, think about the House of Lords, who are

:37:04.:37:07.

there to discuss constitutional reform. They will go through it with

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a fine tooth comb. There is no guarantee that whatever government

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at Westminster would want to get through in constitutional terms,

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that the House of Lords would make it easy for them. It is a very

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difficult subject, and it could take perhaps longer than some people are

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thinking. We are seeing a change, David, in the iconography. I was

:37:28.:37:31.

almost taken aback by singer Alistair Darling standing in front

:37:32.:37:34.

of a sign that said Scottish Labour, rather than Better Together. I

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noticed that he did not go out of his way to thank the people who were

:37:42.:37:45.

involved in Better Together from the Liberal Democrats for the

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Conservatives. It was entirely aimed at the Labour Party, so suddenly we

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are in a different mode now. Yes, we are. Right up until he is ours came

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out this morning, it was Better Together on one side and Yes

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Scotland on the other. -- until the results came out. We are now in the

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run-up to a general election, this contest is over and done with. Party

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politics is bound to reiterate in Scotland, as it will in the rest of

:38:13.:38:16.

the United Kingdom, which is why I think, over the hours and weeks, you

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will see English Conservative backbenchers perhaps saying things

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that the party leadership would not think is particularly helpful on

:38:26.:38:27.

constitutional reform. But I think it would be very naive to say that

:38:28.:38:31.

whatever has happened, all the momentous changes that have happened

:38:32.:38:35.

over the last 24 hours, that party politics will not play a huge role

:38:36.:38:40.

in that. Added to that, we are in the run-up to a general election,

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which means, A, it is going to be very congregated, B, party politics

:38:46.:38:50.

will come to the fore in this, and it is whoever wins the general

:38:51.:38:53.

election in 2015 will have to try and find a way through on this, the

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most thorniest of issues. David, thank you very much for now. Andrews

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outside the Scottish Parliament at Holyrood. -- Andrew is. Are you

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outside or inside? I am inside but outside the parliament, inside the

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studio here. Olli Rehn is a little more quiet now, there was an

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all-night vigil. -- Holyrood. There is meant to be a Yes rally, whatever

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happens, and I'm joined in the studio now by the principal officer

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at the US Consulate here in Edinburgh, thank you for joining me.

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You were an observer at Ingliston, what have you made of this whole

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process and the result? Well, I want to congratulate the people of

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Scotland on having conducted one of the most thorough and thoughtful

:39:47.:39:51.

public debates of our time. I think that the high level of public

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interest, the depth of the debate, as well as the extraordinary turnout

:39:55.:40:00.

that we saw yesterday, real proof that a peaceful and democratic

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process can tackle the toughest issues. In the United States, of

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course we respect the outcome and we look forward to continuing our close

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relationship and ties with the government and peoples of the United

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Kingdom. There will be some very relieved people waking up in

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Washington, DC this morning, of course, President Obama tweeted

:40:21.:40:23.

during the week that he hoped the UK would remain strong, robust and

:40:24.:40:27.

united. Was it right for the president to step in like that? He

:40:28.:40:31.

had an intervention earlier in the campaign. This is a matter for Scots

:40:32.:40:37.

to decide, and I think what we saw yesterday, across the board in

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Scotland, was a lot of people taking their responsibility very seriously,

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weighing up the issues and voting, and that is to be congratulated and

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applauded. I say people in Washington will be relieved, because

:40:50.:40:52.

if Scotland had voted to become independent, Trident would have left

:40:53.:40:58.

Scottish waters, the Trident nuclear submarines, so the defence

:40:59.:41:01.

department will be breathing a sigh of relief. There would be a lot of

:41:02.:41:06.

hypothetical issues to tackle, but the people of Scotland have made

:41:07.:41:10.

their decision, and we respect that. What did you make of the campaign?

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Because of course there Yes campaign have often followed what has

:41:16.:41:18.

happened in US politics, the tricks of the trade from the first Obama

:41:19.:41:24.

campaign in 2008 came over, the second campaign too. What did you

:41:25.:41:27.

make of the process and perhaps the use of these new US election

:41:28.:41:32.

tactics? As a diplomat, I am not an expert on election tactics, but what

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I will say is that we saw an extraordinary level of engagement on

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all sides, from the campaigns, from civil society, from grassroots and

:41:41.:41:47.

people just really wanting to get involved in the depth of the

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debate, it was something that we observed on all sides as being

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something that all Scots can be proud of. And when you go back to

:41:54.:41:58.

the US and you tell them about this referendum, I mean, it sounds like

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you are pretty impressed by what has happened, particularly the peaceful

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way, and I suppose the US will take that message to the rest of the

:42:07.:42:09.

world that people can conduct a process like this in a very

:42:10.:42:14.

peaceful, democratic way. I think, as you mentioned, I observed the

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vote yesterday in Edinburgh, West Lothian and Fife, and I can

:42:20.:42:23.

certainly attest to how peaceful and civilised things work. And I think

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that certainly with an issue this importance to the people of

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Scotland, the peaceful way that everyone conducted themselves

:42:32.:42:35.

yesterday is really to be very much applauded. OK, thank you very much

:42:36.:42:38.

for coming in to speak to us, that is it from Holyrood just now, back

:42:39.:42:44.

to you in the studio in Glasgow. Nicholas Witchell, the royal

:42:45.:42:47.

correspondent, is outside Balmoral. I imagine they did not have the no

:42:48.:42:55.

thank you placards nailed up on the trees at Balmoral, but there must

:42:56.:43:02.

surely be a sense of relief. Yeah, I think that is antennae of Leander

:43:03.:43:05.

absolutely true, and I think in common with a great many people the

:43:06.:43:13.

Queen will be glad it is all over. -- that is undeniably and absolutely

:43:14.:43:17.

true. Privately, she will be feeling relieved that Scotland is not going

:43:18.:43:20.

to separate from the United Kingdom, that the United Kingdom is not going

:43:21.:43:25.

to break. I think she would have found that privately very difficult

:43:26.:43:29.

to deal with, but she will keep their feelings to herself. She would

:43:30.:43:31.

have accepted the decision which ever way it went, that was her

:43:32.:43:36.

constitutional duty, but she and her officials will today once the dust

:43:37.:43:40.

to settle, they will want the politicians do have an opportunity

:43:41.:43:44.

to say what they wish to say in response to the result, and then

:43:45.:43:48.

what we expect - we don't know for certain - but at some point later

:43:49.:43:52.

today there will be a short written statement from the Queen, and I

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would imagine it would focus on the fact that this has been Scotland's

:43:58.:44:01.

decision, I would imagine it would focus on the fact, at the Palace has

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said before, a decision for the people of Scotland, but the decision

:44:07.:44:08.

having been taken now, expressing the hope that the people of Scotland

:44:09.:44:14.

will come together, we'll move on, and the divisiveness which I think

:44:15.:44:19.

undoubtedly has been apparent during the campaign, and which I think has

:44:20.:44:22.

been a cause of some considerable concern to the Queen, she will

:44:23.:44:26.

perhaps expressed the hope that the divisiveness will be put to one

:44:27.:44:31.

side, and in Scotland's interests, that Scotland will now be able to

:44:32.:44:32.

move forward. Thank you very much. What are the

:44:33.:44:43.

bankers making of it? Is it a case of Armageddon postponed if not

:44:44.:44:50.

abolished? Well, that very much feels like the case this morning.

:44:51.:44:55.

Welcome to a very drizzly Edinburgh financial district! Are enjoyed by

:44:56.:44:58.

the chair of Scottish financial enterprise. How are you feeling this

:44:59.:45:06.

morning following the concerns of the financial industry had? Many of

:45:07.:45:10.

the uncertainties that would have been created by a Yes vote we can

:45:11.:45:15.

forget about. So in that sense it is good to look forward and make sure

:45:16.:45:19.

we will be doing so within the frameworks with which we are

:45:20.:45:24.

accustomed. That is part of the UK, the European Union and all of the

:45:25.:45:26.

stability which comes with that. Having said that, there will be more

:45:27.:45:30.

of a debate about Scottish powers and the Prime Minister spoke about

:45:31.:45:34.

it again this morning, and I was very encouraged indeed by hearing

:45:35.:45:37.

John Swinney talking about how he and his colleagues would play a full

:45:38.:45:42.

part in that as well. So we think there is a lot to look forward to

:45:43.:45:48.

and take advantage of. For the financial services sector in the

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ticket, are their powers you would be keen to see Scotland get its

:45:51.:45:54.

hands on? Some of those have already been trailed around income tax. I

:45:55.:46:00.

think they do allow ministers in the Scottish Government and Parliament

:46:01.:46:04.

to set some of the parameters within which Scotland can be a competitive

:46:05.:46:09.

environment within the UK. There is the opportunity there for

:46:10.:46:12.

differentiation and for Scotland to carve out a particular position as a

:46:13.:46:16.

very competitive part of the UK, and we think there are business

:46:17.:46:19.

opportunities in that. Over the last couple of weeks we have heard from a

:46:20.:46:23.

lot of financial services companies and banks about contingency plans

:46:24.:46:28.

and they are obviously not needed any more. You get those plans and

:46:29.:46:38.

have to make them when you are faced with situations you cannot plan for.

:46:39.:46:42.

I suppose in a sense now we're looking forward to thinking about

:46:43.:46:46.

what is going on in Brussels and other places now that we have put

:46:47.:46:50.

this very important decision behind us. RBS this morning saying they are

:46:51.:46:55.

still hugely committed to their operations in Scotland. That must be

:46:56.:47:00.

echoed across the financial services community here in Edinburgh?

:47:01.:47:04.

Absolutely. As I say, had we had a Yes vote, they would have been lots

:47:05.:47:08.

of questions, but now we can get on with doing what we do best, which is

:47:09.:47:13.

competing internationally in a very difficult and competitive market.

:47:14.:47:18.

Thank you. It would have been a very different picture here this morning

:47:19.:47:22.

and those contingency plans would have kicked in with serious business

:47:23.:47:27.

meetings going on. But people are going about their daily business as

:47:28.:47:31.

usual, getting their morning coffee and heading into the office for the

:47:32.:47:33.

rest of the day. Thank you. Let's get the latest news

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from Rhona. Thank you again. Scotland has voted and the decision

:47:43.:47:46.

has been made, and that decision is no. The margin of victory for the

:47:47.:47:52.

Better Together campaign was 55% to 45%, bigger than that anticipated by

:47:53.:47:57.

the final opinion polls. Prime minister David Cameron welcomed the

:47:58.:48:00.

result and said there was now a chance to change how people across

:48:01.:48:05.

the UK were governed, and said the three prounion parties at

:48:06.:48:08.

Westminster would deliver on further pledges of power for the Scottish

:48:09.:48:12.

Parliament. The First Minister, Alex Salmond, said he accepted the

:48:13.:48:15.

verdict of the people and called on everyone to do the same. He called

:48:16.:48:21.

on the three main British parties to make good on their promises of

:48:22.:48:24.

greater powers being devolved to the Scottish Parliament. The Yes

:48:25.:48:27.

campaign won in only four local authority areas out of a total of

:48:28.:48:31.

32. They were Glasgow, Dundee, North Lanarkshire and West Dumbarton show.

:48:32.:48:36.

Now it is time to go to the weather, and here is the latest.

:48:37.:48:42.

It is still cloudy, especially further across the East down to

:48:43.:48:49.

Aberdeenshire and across down to the Borders, and while it is still

:48:50.:48:52.

cloudy here, we will see brighter cells developing, especially across

:48:53.:48:58.

the south-west, and across the great Glen area. Temperatures could go up

:48:59.:49:02.

to 20 or 21 degrees, but widely around the mid-teens. The patchy

:49:03.:49:08.

rain will spread further towards the East through the evening, allowing

:49:09.:49:11.

temperatures to fall to around seven or eight with those clear skies, but

:49:12.:49:18.

elsewhere, 11-13. Still cloudy across the south of the country but

:49:19.:49:22.

gradually clearing away with that rain, clearing the ball despite the

:49:23.:49:27.

afternoon. More in the way of sunshine across the central belt but

:49:28.:49:30.

temperatures in the midst high teens and more of a north-westerly

:49:31.:49:35.

breeze. On Sunday, fine and dry conditions with high pressure firmly

:49:36.:49:39.

in place. Lots of sunshine in store and temperatures a few degrees lower

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but temperatures still at 15 or 16. I will be back with a longer news

:49:42.:49:51.

summary later. Thank you. Lots of sunshine! You

:49:52.:49:56.

can't argue with that! Let's go back to Andrew at Holyrood. Yes, I am

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joined in the studio by star of stage and screen and famous yes

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supporter Brian Cox. Good morning. Thank you for coming on. What is

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your reaction? You must be pretty disappointed? I'm disappointed but

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also proud. It is a curious split I have got because I think we have

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done incredibly well. The turnout, 87%. The winner is social democracy.

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There is no question about that. We have shown that. It is the politics

:50:30.:50:33.

of the people as opposed to the politics of the parliamentarians,

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and I think the political establishment of Westminster is

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really, really now under severe scrutiny and has been shown somewhat

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wanting. It is a broken thing which needs to be fixed. But I think the

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people have shown, and the people of Scotland in particular, have shown

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whether it is a yes or no, it is a wonderful example of the Scots

:50:56.:51:00.

character, a costly yeses were impassioned and this difference and

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the noes kept it to their chest in a kind of poker game, and are very

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good at that! It is a rather good feeling at the end of it. Excuse me

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while I laugh at my sleeve right now! I will believe it when it is

:51:22.:51:33.

there. The idea... We want to devo max start with and we weren't

:51:34.:51:37.

allowed to have it. Then Cameron comes up with the three Amigos and

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they arrive on their horses with their sombreros and kilts, and they

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say, oh, we will give it to you, you have this. And we are going, well,

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we didn't ask for it before. He has a problem with his backbenchers

:51:52.:51:54.

because they are not very happy about it and the Labour Party will

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be happy about what Cameron wants to give, so it is a long road. They

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want to get a white paper by March. Good luck, is all I can say! What

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did you make of the Yes campaign? It was a big movement and went into

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every community in Scotland. You saw it. It almost got there in the end?

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It did. It did incredibly well because there was an intellectual

:52:19.:52:23.

rigour about it. People like Pat Kay, Vivienne Westwood, for gods

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sake! Rhona Cameron, sorry, rather. It was a fantastic and pain. I have

:52:31.:52:34.

nothing but praise for the Yes campaign. Those lads and lasses

:52:35.:52:40.

really worked their butts off, they really did. And I think we have a

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lot to be proud of. We galvanise the country. You know, they completely

:52:45.:52:52.

underestimated it. Underestimated the whole campaign. They totally

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underestimated the power of Westminster. -- the power,

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Westminster. They were just thinking, those little Scots. People

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will remember this for a long, long time to come. So, thinking of the

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nationalist campaign, and we were speaking about your own Braveheart

:53:16.:53:19.

earlier. It is very emotive and kind of hairs on the back of the next

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stuff. You a kind of part of that first night you have to that

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forward? But I am not a nationalist. I am an independent. It

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is not about nationalism, it is about independence. It is not about

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playing bagpipes and your painted face. It is about something much

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more fundamental than that. It is about self-worth,, about the law and

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the working class and the underclass. -- self-worth and self

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esteem. This goes straight into the heart of England. We have to leave

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it there thank you for coming to speak to us. Back to the studio.

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And, well, Hamish Madonna, very briefly, you have been muttering

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ever since Ed Miliband was on here. -- Hamish McLaren old. I was very

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intrigued with the speech. In the fact that he did not thank the

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Conservative partners or the Lib Dem partners and he over gave -- only

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gave Gordon Brown the most fleeting of praise. And when you think about

:54:31.:54:34.

those who have their reputations enhanced by this process. It is

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slightly Alistair Darling and certainly Gordon Brown, and I think

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Ed Miliband is in a very difficult position. He is there as a Labour

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Leader who was not able to carry the Labour vote until he had help from

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his predecessor. I know you want to drop a bombshell. But for the

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moment, we are going to go to Jeremy Vine. Yes, we are!

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Let's look at the margin of victory. The noes on 55% and the yeses on

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45%. So a 10% gap - more than the polls were telling us they would be.

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And the map has been left decisively coloured. This is Scotland after

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this historic referendum. I will colour in the areas which voted

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mainly no read, and you can see how many there are. Just four council

:55:27.:55:32.

areas which went for yes. Glasgow and surrounding, and then up in the

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north-east you can see Dundee there in green. Come back to our wall and

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you can see the results of that battle ground of the 32 councils.

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You struggle to find those that said yes because there are only four. You

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see the Yes vote did win in Glasgow. The biggest council with the most in

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it. Big councils all went no, though. As did many of the others.

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In fact, the first results we had in all went no and it was only Dundee

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city which went yes. Our first yes result. Four in total, then. You see

:56:14.:56:20.

how dramatic the result is when I isolate the yeses and the noes. As

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we go down the wall here, they become more convincing. So, the

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biggest margins on this side. Orkney and Shetland and also Scottish

:56:34.:56:40.

Borders and Dumfries and Galloway in Conservative-leaning areas, they

:56:41.:56:43.

definitely did not want to break up with the UK. So, looking at this

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result, it is certainly decisive. Maybe not a whitewash but a definite

:56:50.:56:59.

and convincing win for the noes. Thank you, Jeremy. What was the

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bombshell you wanted to drop? It is not a bombshell but I was listening

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to Ed Miliband take this tribalist approach to the next election.

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He said the no vote was for social justice. But if you look at the map

:57:14.:57:19.

and the areas which are better off and had something to lose, then look

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at the Green, and there is the working class, the underclass, the

:57:25.:57:29.

people who do not have. Now, the reality of independence is not the

:57:30.:57:34.

constitutionality of it, it is a means to an end for people to

:57:35.:57:38.

improve their lives. This is where the UK has got into trouble. They

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will have to devolve assets to building up these areas. If they

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don't do that, they are just creating or lighting the fuse for

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the next referendum, you might say. And there is only a 5% swing on it.

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So they cannot relax. But the people who do have things were those who

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think I'll -- on the analysis who voted for that and they will be

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deeply disappointed and disillusioned. Watch this space.

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Your reservations about Ed Miliband seem to be more, as I understood

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you, that you think Labour should be more cautious about signing up to a

:58:16.:58:18.

speedy process of further devolution and give it a bit more thought? I

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think it is important that we are involved in looking at more powers

:58:23.:58:26.

and there has to be a process and the timeline. To be fair to Ed

:58:27.:58:29.

Miliband, I greatly admire what he is doing in terms of the politics in

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terms of, you know, the energy retail, social justice. That is

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fine. But I do think we have to be careful as we embark upon new powers

:58:41.:58:43.

for Scotland, we have to have good legislation, and at the end of the

:58:44.:58:48.

day, I want Labour to lead. I don't think they lead during the

:58:49.:58:50.

referendum campaign and I want them to lead in Scotland, because one of

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the things in the aftermath of this campaign is Labour has to be billed

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in the aftermath of this campaign is Labour has to be building Scotland

:58:58.:59:02.

because they have 215 ahead, so they have to combine constitutional

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politics with a new false of the that can take us forward. Ed has

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part of that but he needs to accept that we need to move forward with

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some caution to make sure we get the legislation right. Thank you very

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much. It is ten o'clock. Let's go to Rona, who has a summary of the news.

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I don't actually have any words in front of me. I think what I'm going

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to do, Gordon, is come back down to the shop floor, why don't you carry

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on with so more interesting conversation? Sorry about that!

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There is a bombshell, no news! What do you make of what you have heard

:59:43.:59:47.

from the politicians? I was interested to hear what Gordon said

:59:48.:59:50.

about social justice, because I would like to be able to pick up on

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that, when he said the winner of the night was social tomography. I

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thought the winner of the night was the night at Kingdom and -- the

:00:00.:00:08.

United Kingdom and the Better Together campaign. We should not get

:00:09.:00:13.

away from the fact that we were looking at possibly a two-point gap,

:00:14.:00:17.

maybe less, and it has ended up with a ten point gap, and that is a very

:00:18.:00:24.

decisive vote for the Union, and I do not think we have necessarily

:00:25.:00:26.

focused enough on that. And it doesn't look as if the political

:00:27.:00:32.

parties involved are going to focus on that, because Alistair Darling

:00:33.:00:35.

has moved onto Scottish Labour and seems to have ditched the whole

:00:36.:00:38.

Better Together thing. We will come back in a moment. I think we are

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going now to Jonathan Sutherland at the Emirates Stadium. He is with

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John Reid. Yes, thank you very much, Gordon, we

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are outside the Emirates arena in the East End of Glasgow, where the

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last men and women standing in the Better Together campaign have

:01:00.:01:01.

been... One man who has stuck with us, before he gets the eighth, his

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doctor John Reid. First of all, what is the reaction to what has been an

:01:07.:01:15.

historic night? -- is Dr John Greig. I am delighted that there's been a

:01:16.:01:19.

clear decision and that we want to stay inside the partnership of the

:01:20.:01:22.

night at Kingdom. This is a discussion that has been going on

:01:23.:01:27.

since the mid-1970s. -- the United Kingdom. In a sense, this vote is

:01:28.:01:35.

the end of the discussion. It is clear, for generations, Alex Salmond

:01:36.:01:42.

had said, we want to be part of the United Kingdom. In the other sense

:01:43.:01:47.

it is a beginning, because I hope we can work together, not only the

:01:48.:01:54.

parties, Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives and the Labour Party,

:01:55.:01:59.

but I hope the SNP, to have better governance inside the UK. And that

:02:00.:02:03.

doesn't just affect Scotland, because I think that the Welsh, the

:02:04.:02:07.

Northern Irish and the English will want to look at their issues as

:02:08.:02:12.

well, and that is right. We had Johann Lamont, Ed Miliband and

:02:13.:02:16.

Alistair Darling talking about how change will happen, very much the

:02:17.:02:27.

watchword. How difficult do you think the negotiations and

:02:28.:02:29.

discussions between now and the draft legislation will be? There is

:02:30.:02:32.

still a lot of heat on both sides. I think change will happen, not just

:02:33.:02:36.

because it has been pledged, though it has, but I think because people

:02:37.:02:41.

understand in the modern Britain, the modern United Kingdom, you

:02:42.:02:45.

cannot go on in the centralised way that you did last century or the

:02:46.:02:50.

century before. So it is an actual process which applies not only to

:02:51.:02:55.

Scotland but to the other nations. Whether that takes the form of

:02:56.:03:00.

decentralising in England the or city regions, local enterprise

:03:01.:03:05.

companies or whatever, it will be discussed. -- in England to the

:03:06.:03:13.

cities or city regions. On the other hand, there is pretty common cause

:03:14.:03:17.

among the three major parties about the types of powers they want

:03:18.:03:20.

devolved to the Scottish Parliament now, including tax raising powers,

:03:21.:03:26.

control over our own welfare spending. Yes, there are differences

:03:27.:03:31.

in the details, but we have got a timetable for working it out. The

:03:32.:03:36.

wider questions, as regards England and Wales and Northern Ireland,

:03:37.:03:39.

there hasn't been so much thought put into that, there has been some,

:03:40.:03:45.

so they may be difficult, but change will come, and that is not a bad

:03:46.:03:51.

thing - that is a good thing, so tonight's vote, sorry, this

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morning's vote, we have been up so long! This morning's vote is not

:03:57.:04:01.

just a means of change in Scotland. I think it is good for the whole of

:04:02.:04:05.

the United Kingdom. How disappointing is it, from a Labour

:04:06.:04:09.

point of view, because we seem to be very much into the realms of party

:04:10.:04:13.

politics, very much a Labour Party thing today, how disappointing is it

:04:14.:04:23.

that Glasgow was very much Yes? Yes, it is disappointing, but it is

:04:24.:04:28.

understandable. You see, I may have a minority view, but my view is that

:04:29.:04:34.

not the whole of the yes vote was from people who wanted a separate

:04:35.:04:38.

nation. A substantial portion would have been, people who positively

:04:39.:04:42.

wanted to separate and have independence. But at least some of

:04:43.:04:48.

them, and I think probably a good little bit, was a protest against

:04:49.:04:53.

cuts, austerity, the conditions in which people are living. And I

:04:54.:04:59.

think, in a general election, those boats might have gone to Labour to

:05:00.:05:03.

get rid of the Conservatives, but here they accumulated around the Yes

:05:04.:05:10.

flag, and I understand that. -- those votes-macro. Change has to

:05:11.:05:13.

happen not only in a constitutional sense, but also politicians saying,

:05:14.:05:19.

right, there are obviously cries of anxiety, anger and frustration here

:05:20.:05:22.

which exhibited themselves through this support, so how do we apply

:05:23.:05:28.

ourselves to those issues. Dr John Reid, thank you, up since seven

:05:29.:05:33.

o'clock yesterday morning, that is it for now from the Emirates arena,

:05:34.:05:37.

back to you. I think John Reid never sleeps,

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extraordinary! Can I pick up on something he was saying there? You

:05:43.:05:46.

see, we are all talking about more powers, but arguably one of the most

:05:47.:05:50.

striking things is that most of the traditional Labour areas,

:05:51.:05:56.

working-class areas, voted yes and that what the Labour Party has not

:05:57.:06:02.

managed to do is develop a narrative about poverty and deprivation which

:06:03.:06:07.

breaks out the framework of nationalism. The SNP have co-opted

:06:08.:06:17.

that, it is all more powers, and more debate about more powers is

:06:18.:06:20.

still in the framework that the SNP wants to have. Perhaps Gordon Brown

:06:21.:06:23.

has been trying to break away from that, but you have an awful long way

:06:24.:06:26.

to go. John Reid makes a lot of points I would agree with, and

:06:27.:06:28.

Gordon introduced this part of the discussion by talking about the

:06:29.:06:32.

economic challenges, and three areas which voted very solidly yes, but

:06:33.:06:40.

this is why I want to see Labour combines social justice and

:06:41.:06:43.

constitutional change, because that gives Labour an edge. Traditionally

:06:44.:06:47.

it has been the party... But you need a narrative which has nothing

:06:48.:06:51.

to do with Scotland against Westminster but is a traditional

:06:52.:06:55.

Labour narrative, forget all this stuff about Scotland, England, Wales

:06:56.:07:00.

and Northern Ireland - we are the British Labour Party, this is our

:07:01.:07:04.

case. Shall justice. We need to return to some basics in terms of

:07:05.:07:13.

common good. -- this is our case for social justice. Now is the time in

:07:14.:07:17.

Scotland to return to those very ethical issues which drive the

:07:18.:07:22.

party, but if we can get the constitutional issue is settled, it

:07:23.:07:26.

does allow the freedom, because the SNP have dominated, it does allow

:07:27.:07:30.

the freedom to concentrate on some big issues. But in relation to his

:07:31.:07:36.

comments, if you consider that in 1999 we had a Scotland Act with new

:07:37.:07:41.

powers and taxes, then in 2012, we had more powers and taxes, in 2015

:07:42.:07:48.

we are going to have more powers and taxes - wouldn't it be right to

:07:49.:07:52.

consider that if we carry on incrementally changing, we are going

:07:53.:07:55.

to run out of powers at Westminster to devolve? That is why we need a

:07:56.:07:59.

strategy that looks to the future, in a sense working backwards. The

:08:00.:08:04.

other side of this, traditional Labour working-class areas voted

:08:05.:08:09.

yes. Apart from Dundee, the heartland SNP areas voted quite

:08:10.:08:14.

heavily know. You haven't convinced the Scottish middle classes in these

:08:15.:08:18.

areas that they might want to vote because they like Alex Salmond and

:08:19.:08:21.

think he runs a good Scottish Government, but they are not in

:08:22.:08:25.

favour of independence. I would have taken a different stance on these

:08:26.:08:30.

matters, but having represented an urban industrial constituency, I

:08:31.:08:35.

think that what we did not do in the Yes campaign was to fight it on the

:08:36.:08:39.

north-south divide, the growth of London, the emigration of 40,000

:08:40.:08:44.

young Scots a year. These are the essential reasons why we require

:08:45.:08:49.

independence and the economic powers to change the face of the Scottish

:08:50.:08:56.

economy. You convinced Henry McLeish's traditional vote, but not

:08:57.:09:03.

your own. There is always a discordance between the two, but

:09:04.:09:06.

what you are seeking is a majority, and I did not think the balance was

:09:07.:09:10.

wrong, but that is me getting into trouble again by saying such a

:09:11.:09:15.

thing! We will leave that for the moment and go to Simon Jack in the

:09:16.:09:19.

City of London, what is the mood like down there, Simon? Well, as

:09:20.:09:24.

expected, the City is giving this result and the margin of the result

:09:25.:09:29.

a pretty warm welcome. Sterling rallied, first of all when the

:09:30.:09:35.

YouGov poll put the no vote ahead, then Clackmannanshire, which could

:09:36.:09:38.

have gone either way, when that declared no, we got another spurt. I

:09:39.:09:42.

can show you a couple of bits, a couple of weeks ago the markets

:09:43.:09:48.

thought this was a dead Serbs know, and then some opinion polls put it

:09:49.:10:01.

very close. -- a dead cert no. RBS's plans of moving south of the

:10:02.:10:05.

border have gone in the bin, there has been a relief rally. But

:10:06.:10:10.

political uncertainty does remain. The markets are trying to get their

:10:11.:10:14.

heads around some of the devolution promises that some people are saying

:10:15.:10:20.

have been hastily assembled. Nowhere near the kind of uncertainty we

:10:21.:10:24.

would have had about who owns what, what currency would be used, and it

:10:25.:10:28.

is not just here in the UK that we have seen results resonate. Spanish

:10:29.:10:34.

bonds are rallying, of course they have gone their own separatist

:10:35.:10:39.

issues, a lot of Catalans in Scotland for the referendum. So you

:10:40.:10:44.

are seeing a bounce in Spanish bonds, as the likelihood of them

:10:45.:10:48.

going through this seems to be receding slightly. Let's go back to

:10:49.:10:56.

Andrew Kerr in Edinburgh, if we are? Yes, there he is! I do not know

:10:57.:11:00.

if there has been any reaction from politicians, presumably they are

:11:01.:11:04.

fast asleep. We have had more consul generals and

:11:05.:11:08.

film stars around Holyrood at the moment! I can give you a few

:11:09.:11:13.

Edinburgh vignettes, the all-night vigil was continuing, the yes

:11:14.:11:20.

supporters were out singing Flower Of Scotland, starting to clear up

:11:21.:11:25.

some of the bottles after the vigil, and they left pretty dejected, down

:11:26.:11:29.

at heart. But last night in the capital, I was walking past one pub,

:11:30.:11:34.

and I heard one man say to another, everybody discussing the referendum

:11:35.:11:37.

of course, and he was saying, well, even if we don't win, it is a win

:11:38.:11:43.

for yes. I think he was being quite pragmatic, if there is no

:11:44.:11:46.

independence, there is the promise of more powers, so he was looking at

:11:47.:11:50.

it in a pragmatic optimistic kind of way. Further down the road, more

:11:51.:11:55.

people smoking outside another pub, and a chap said, I heard him say, it

:11:56.:12:00.

will involve the whole of the United Kingdom, would it? It was

:12:01.:12:03.

interesting that the chat in Edinburgh was already looking ahead

:12:04.:12:07.

to what was going to happen in the rest of the United Kingdom and

:12:08.:12:12.

obviously more powers. In. So maybe a lot of down at heart, downbeat

:12:13.:12:23.

people today, but some saying it is a win-win situation for yes in that

:12:24.:12:30.

way. -- more powers for Scotland. David Gold is back in London, any

:12:31.:12:34.

more reaction there? We starting to get more reaction, as far as Downing

:12:35.:12:39.

Street is concerned, David Cameron has made his statement, he has gone

:12:40.:12:43.

up a constituency visit this morning. I think Downing Street

:12:44.:12:48.

would like his statement to stand, they would like it to be business as

:12:49.:12:53.

usual here today. As regards other politicians, they have been putting

:12:54.:12:58.

their ideas in, William Hague has been interviewed and has said that

:12:59.:13:02.

it is incomprehensible that the so-called West Lothian question

:13:03.:13:06.

concerning the voting rights and responsibilities of Scottish MPs can

:13:07.:13:09.

not be looked at if you are looking at more powers for the Scottish

:13:10.:13:12.

Parliament. He has been charged by David Cameron at looking at how they

:13:13.:13:17.

will bring these extra powers in, not just for Scotland but for the

:13:18.:13:21.

rest of the United Kingdom as well. Other Conservative backbenchers have

:13:22.:13:25.

perhaps been less helpful to David Cameron. Owen Paterson, the former

:13:26.:13:29.

Environment Secretary, has made it plain he is very unhappy with what

:13:30.:13:34.

the three UK party leaders promised to Scotland before the referendum.

:13:35.:13:40.

He, I think, like many others, is quite concerned. He has gone as far

:13:41.:13:44.

as calling for a recall of Parliament to discuss what has

:13:45.:13:49.

happened. I don't think that is likely, certainly Downing Street are

:13:50.:13:52.

not in the mood to accede to that kind of demand. Another Conservative

:13:53.:13:58.

MP, Bernard Jenkin, the Essex MP, pretty well-known as not a friend of

:13:59.:14:02.

David Cameron, has again said if Scotland is going to get more

:14:03.:14:06.

powers, England must get more powers, and the whole question of

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the Barnett formula, the money that Scotland gets, and also the voting

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rights of Scottish MPs have got to be addressed. As far as Downing

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Street is concerned, they would like to say, look, nothing to say here,

:14:19.:14:22.

we have resolved this question, we would get on the process of

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governing. Somehow I don't think a lot of Conservative MPs are going to

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let that happen. Thank you. Now we have lots of

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decimals and fractions! A resounding victory for the No campaign last

:14:43.:14:47.

night and the first place to declare was Clackmannanshire. You can see

:14:48.:14:58.

46% yes and 54% no. A huge turnout, which was the second story the

:14:59.:14:59.

night. And then it was in Orkney and

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Shetland, which voted no. This was one of the biggest of the night.

:15:11.:15:15.

Difference is clearly more than 2/1 there. The tightest no vote of the

:15:16.:15:23.

whole evening was in Inverclyde. You can see it went red, which means it

:15:24.:15:28.

voted no to independence. But very tight. Just over 100 votes between

:15:29.:15:40.

the 2 of them. If we go to the Western Isles, it is this one here.

:15:41.:15:49.

Obviously represented by an SNP MP and an SNP MSP. Very much

:15:50.:15:53.

disappointment in that camp with that result. That result was

:15:54.:16:03.

followed closely by West Dunbartonshire. As you can see here,

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it was one of only four on the board which went to the yes camp. The

:16:09.:16:21.

first one which went to the yes camp way was Dundee. You will see there a

:16:22.:16:30.

pretty resounding victory. It was called Yes City by the yes camp. Not

:16:31.:16:39.

quite as higher turnout as some other areas but better than the last

:16:40.:16:43.

Scottish elections and general election as well. So, what happened

:16:44.:16:47.

when we go to Stirling? I have just lost it on the board! And you will

:16:48.:16:54.

see the result in Stirling was a pretty resounding 60% for the no

:16:55.:17:03.

camp. So the no camp very pleased with the amount and number of people

:17:04.:17:11.

they got out. So, if we go to Angus, you will see a very strong

:17:12.:17:16.

representation at Holyrood and Westminster. But disappointment for

:17:17.:17:29.

the Yes campaign again. If we go to Aberdeen, city of granite and oil,

:17:30.:17:31.

what did it think of the question on the ballot paper? Should Scotland be

:17:32.:17:39.

independent - yes or no? The turnout, about the same, 82%. And if

:17:40.:17:47.

we go to one of the areas which the yes camp had been hoping they would

:17:48.:17:51.

gain, you will see it as a green, which means it is green for yes.

:17:52.:18:04.

Just 5000 indifference. Quite tight. About the same as some of the polls

:18:05.:18:09.

over the last ten days or so. Now, if we look at South Lanarkshire,

:18:10.:18:15.

that is the constituency which also has the Conservative David

:18:16.:18:19.

Mundell's area in it, and that is perhaps why in an area in the north

:18:20.:18:25.

of Lanarkshire, some quite high deprivation in South Lanarkshire, so

:18:26.:18:33.

a different territory. A huge disappointment for the yes camp when

:18:34.:18:51.

it came to Perth and Kinross. But by 5am, it was the turn of Glasgow, the

:18:52.:18:56.

biggest constituency in Scotland, and you can see it has gone green.

:18:57.:19:01.

It went in favour of independence but a pretty low turnout - just 75%.

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The second biggest constituency in Scotland is Edinburgh, and you can

:19:14.:19:17.

see from the red colour that it voted no to independence. The

:19:18.:19:24.

turnout was about the same as other regions -80 4%. So, if we take you

:19:25.:19:34.

back here. -- 84%. If we go back to Fife, you will see that the result

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there on an 84% turnout to this number of votes. That was a

:19:47.:19:53.

bellwether seat. It has Gordon Brown's backyard but also SNP

:19:54.:19:56.

representation. It voted no to independence. And so if we show you

:19:57.:20:04.

in size of constituencies, if we look there, you can see on our map

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that Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, South Lanarkshire, North Lanarkshire, only

:20:11.:20:18.

four of those voted yes. Of the smaller, all of those voting no to

:20:19.:20:25.

independence. We will take you to our very final total and you will

:20:26.:20:40.

see by how much the yes camp won. The no camp was shot by just 200,000

:20:41.:20:45.

votes. And that is how it looked. -- was shot.

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Thank you. Stephen Duff has been in Aberdeen Harbour! While we have been

:20:52.:21:01.

stuck in here! Aberdeen voted decisively no. Aberdeen Harbour busy

:21:02.:21:05.

as ever this morning. It would have been continuing to be busy,

:21:06.:21:09.

independence or not. It would have continued to pump oil and gas from

:21:10.:21:14.

Scotland whatever the result. Some reaction from the company's

:21:15.:21:18.

representatives. Roy Lancaster UK saying it looked forward to

:21:19.:21:21.

continuing to work with the Scottish and UK governments. -- oil and gas

:21:22.:21:32.

UK. It is sticking to its claim which was very controversial during

:21:33.:21:36.

the referendum campaign, that they could be as much as

:21:37.:21:41.

12-24,000,000,000 roles of oil left in the North Sea. Again, happy that

:21:42.:21:52.

the uncertainty is now over. -- 12 to 24 billion barrels of oil. It

:21:53.:21:55.

said it was looking forward to the wood report. Aberdeen, we know parts

:21:56.:22:01.

of it, the middle-class, wealthy parts, voted no. Perhaps people in

:22:02.:22:05.

the oil and gas industry were looking to their future.

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Thank you, Steven. Katrina Renton has been talking to an actor. Beyond

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devastated. Thought it was the chance for something special and

:22:20.:22:24.

that we could create something special with a grassroots movement.

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But I think on our side the biggest thing in the debate was the

:22:32.:22:35.

timetable, which we have no idea what it is, and if it is not

:22:36.:22:41.

delivered, we will see the same people used it up for yes in that

:22:42.:22:49.

square again. And the people on no still believing we will get these

:22:50.:22:52.

extra powers. I don't think it is the end. It can't be. Westminster

:22:53.:22:57.

elite have been draining this country dry for so long. So I hope

:22:58.:23:07.

we can continue. I mean, the involvement and the people who had

:23:08.:23:11.

never even registered before voting. Hopefully this isn't the end of

:23:12.:23:17.

this. But there are other ways of looking at it. Basically yes has

:23:18.:23:23.

made up so much ground and maybe is this the beginning of a movement? I

:23:24.:23:27.

believed that. I was beyond devastated. I walked away from it

:23:28.:23:39.

but those younger people, I have just turned 30, so... If Westminster

:23:40.:23:48.

worked, if Britain worked, then we wouldn't be in this situation. But

:23:49.:23:52.

we will continue to hold them to account until it works. And is that

:23:53.:23:58.

the thing? Because basically we have heard about all these powers for

:23:59.:24:04.

Scotland but if this doesn't happen and you don't get a pretty good

:24:05.:24:08.

deal, I presume there will be a lot of pressure? It is not about a deal.

:24:09.:24:13.

It is not about us getting better. We just want to look after

:24:14.:24:18.

ourselves. I feel compelled to go back to George square because this

:24:19.:24:21.

is what I felt and I genuinely felt when I came through there tonight

:24:22.:24:24.

when I thought we were going to win it. The atmosphere was incredible.

:24:25.:24:29.

Hopefully, if we don't get what we were promised, we will be back

:24:30.:24:39.

there. At, again... -- but. And it is like being handed things rather

:24:40.:24:48.

than owning things? Exactly. Whether you voted no or yes doesn't make you

:24:49.:24:52.

any less a Scot. I have to accept that. Maybe we like being handed

:24:53.:25:02.

stuff. I want to take complete control of that. What I would would

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like to see if they timetable on how much will we have left because I

:25:06.:25:12.

think it would be miraculous now it has been handed back to the UK.

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Let's go back to another of our correspondents. Thank you for

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joining me, Alistair. Can I get the Law Society's reaction to the vote

:25:30.:25:35.

last night? The Law Society, prior to the vote, was strictly

:25:36.:25:38.

nonpartisan and continues to hold that position, and we are glad the

:25:39.:25:43.

decision has been made and the polls has happened, and now what

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we're looking forward to is working with the Westminster government

:25:47.:25:51.

other parties and creating the new Scotland which is clearly required

:25:52.:25:54.

and demanded, given the result of the poll. Before we get to the

:25:55.:26:00.

future, can we just focus on the past a bit? What did the referendum

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do the business, do you think? We heard some scare stories but what is

:26:06.:26:09.

your story? The referendum clearly had a big impact on business.

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Whenever there is uncertainty of outcome, currently being a major

:26:15.:26:20.

factor, then business people tend to derisk the situation, which means

:26:21.:26:26.

they don't do anything, and we started to see commercial business

:26:27.:26:29.

is putting plans on hold from April, and then after the government --

:26:30.:26:37.

YouGov poll came out, things slowed down dramatically and we started to

:26:38.:26:40.

see conditions come into offers which made the whole offer he

:26:41.:26:45.

conditional on there being a no vote. Looking at the new powers,

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what do you make of what is on offer? You will be looking at that

:26:50.:26:53.

with interest and how this plays, Holyrood, might be changing in the

:26:54.:27:01.

future. -- this place. What we would want encourages a wide discussion

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and consultation with the people of Scotland so we can work together to

:27:06.:27:08.

craft what the changes will look like and what the impact of those

:27:09.:27:11.

changes will have. The legal profession in Scotland has a great

:27:12.:27:15.

reputation for working with them. We did it when the Scottish Parliament

:27:16.:27:20.

opened in 1999, so why can we not do it again? And we would very much

:27:21.:27:24.

welcome to be part of that discussion and to work with

:27:25.:27:26.

interested parties on creating something which meets the needs of

:27:27.:27:30.

the people and is progressive and takes us forward as a nation. If

:27:31.:27:36.

there had been a Yes vote, drafting would have started on a new written

:27:37.:27:39.

constitution for Scotland. Do you think that is still lacking in the

:27:40.:27:44.

UK at the moment? We are looking at the UK framework and I was speaking

:27:45.:27:55.

to the political editor of the Daily Record, and it is almost a front

:27:56.:28:02.

page, The Vow from Westminster. I don't think we have to have that to

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be a successful country going forward, a constitution. It isn't

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the critical factor but obviously there is a demand from the people of

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Scotland for change and the status quo is no longer sit -- acceptable,

:28:15.:28:22.

and if that future looks like having a written constitution involved,

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then, again, the Law Society would be delighted to be involved in that.

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We have the skills and our membership to be involved and it is

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the sort of thing the Society and lawyers in the Society should be

:28:35.:28:40.

involved in. You said they took a neutral view on independence but

:28:41.:28:45.

thinking of membership, you think of lawyers as being fairly

:28:46.:28:48.

establishment and traditional-type figures, but can you tell me perhaps

:28:49.:28:53.

what the overall feeling was? There is a sense you are very much part of

:28:54.:28:55.

the establishment? For those living at it from a

:28:56.:29:04.

commercial point of view, because of the on certainty, the continued

:29:05.:29:08.

uncertainty that a yes vote would bring, there was anxiety in terms of

:29:09.:29:13.

their business, that clients would have reduced activity and that would

:29:14.:29:15.

have a knock-on impact on their business. So from the commercial

:29:16.:29:21.

point of view, having certainty, the sooner the better, helps our

:29:22.:29:24.

businesses, and that was a major factor in our thinking. Thank you

:29:25.:29:29.

very much for coming in from the Law Society of Scotland. Back to you,

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Gordon, in Glasgow. Look, I am very aware that some of

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you may, for whatever reason, not have been following very closely

:29:39.:29:42.

what has gone on. Perhaps you've been on night shift, perhaps you've

:29:43.:29:45.

just switched on the television, so let's just pause for a moment and

:29:46.:29:50.

remind ourselves, at least Kevin will remind us, of what the story is

:29:51.:29:53.

of what has happened during the last few hours.

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Yes, 114,148. No, 130 9000, 788.

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This is the moment when the referendum result was confirmed.

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140,000 voters in Fife would take the no support across the finish

:30:23.:30:26.

line with the votes still to count. Soon afterwards, the First Minister

:30:27.:30:30.

accepted the result and praised the people of Scotland for an 86%

:30:31.:30:35.

turnout, but he had this message for his Westminster counterparts. Gold

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-- I pledge to work constructively in the interests of Scotland and the

:30:45.:30:48.

rest of the United Kingdom. Secondly, the Unionist parties made

:30:49.:31:00.

vows to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect these

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to be honoured rapidly. The Prime Minister went further, announcing

:31:07.:31:10.

powers being devolved to all four nations on the same timescale to

:31:11.:31:15.

that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who so successfully

:31:16.:31:20.

led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, as agreed to oversee the process to

:31:21.:31:23.

take forward these devolution commitments with powers over tax,

:31:24.:31:28.

spending and welfare all agreed by November and draft legislation

:31:29.:31:32.

published by January. Just as the people of Scotland will have more

:31:33.:31:36.

power over their affairs, so it follows that the people of England,

:31:37.:31:40.

Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over there is. --

:31:41.:31:55.

theirs. The first result came in at 1:30 with someone keen to hear the

:31:56.:32:07.

result by phone. Yes, 16,350. No, 19,000...

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 19,036. The people of

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Clackmannanshire boated no, 54% of them, setting the tone for the

:32:20.:32:25.

night. -- voted. At the Better Together headquarters, the mood was

:32:26.:32:30.

buoyant, no knowledge of what was to come, but confidence nonetheless. To

:32:31.:32:34.

those who supported us and a great team of volunteers, that is you...

:32:35.:32:39.

All of you, all the political parties who have worked for this

:32:40.:32:50.

outcome, I want to say thanks from the bottom of my heart, thank you

:32:51.:32:58.

very much. Among the first to declare where the islands, with the

:32:59.:33:01.

Western Isles' results coming initially in Gaelic... The language

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might have been different, but he was old was the same, still nothing

:33:10.:33:15.

for the yes side. The face of the campaign chairman appeared to say it

:33:16.:33:20.

all. On the streets of Glasgow, though, the initial losing streak

:33:21.:33:24.

didn't dampen the party atmosphere. Hundreds were in George Square to

:33:25.:33:29.

mark an important day in Scotland's history. The spirits here were

:33:30.:33:36.

nothing but high. Dundee was the first to go to yes, decisive, making

:33:37.:33:42.

the race neck and neck. And then the biggest moment of the night when yes

:33:43.:33:47.

took the lead. For a full five minutes, the glum faces were gone,

:33:48.:33:52.

and it was high fives all around. The yes camp stood at 50.2% of those

:33:53.:33:59.

counted. But then it would crumble. No, 37,000...

:34:00.:34:11.

No, 62,700... No, 70,000...

:34:12.:34:18.

Two clear messages coming out of it. Firstly, the turnout suggests

:34:19.:34:25.

people in Scotland really have found their voice, and secondly, with over

:34:26.:34:29.

1 million people voting at this stage for independence, many of

:34:30.:34:33.

those who will have voted no to independence because they believe it

:34:34.:34:37.

would deliver stanch powers for the Scottish Parliament, there is a big

:34:38.:34:42.

appetite for change. -- deliver substantial powers. The counts went

:34:43.:34:47.

of almost flawlessly, except in Dundee, where a firearm twice forced

:34:48.:34:56.

the evacuation of the counting hall. -- a fire alarm. The majority of

:34:57.:35:01.

ballots cast by the people of Scotland, in response to the

:35:02.:35:06.

question, should Scotland be an independent country, were in favour

:35:07.:35:11.

of no. The chief accounting officer's moment was stolen. By the

:35:12.:35:15.

time she made her declaration, it was all long over. And for some, it

:35:16.:35:22.

was proving to be just too much. Shortly after five o'clock, the BBC

:35:23.:35:27.

called the referendum with the people of Scotland rejecting

:35:28.:35:30.

independence. It is the end of chapter one, but the falls Tory is

:35:31.:35:35.

still to be told. Kevin Keane reporting. We have been

:35:36.:35:41.

joined by commentator Gerry Hassan, you don't get to do the commentating

:35:42.:35:44.

until you show us the T-shirt. What does it say? Yes to the sum of

:35:45.:35:57.

independence, it is a last wear before I throw it away or put it in

:35:58.:36:05.

the attic -- summer. I was at an all-night with people who have been

:36:06.:36:09.

making a marvellous contribution to this debate. I want to put it to

:36:10.:36:13.

you, maybe the thing that strikes me most is that all the traditional

:36:14.:36:19.

working class Labour areas, and perhaps we can include Dundee in

:36:20.:36:23.

that, they all voted yes, perhaps Inverclyde comes into that, a very

:36:24.:36:29.

narrow no. All the traditional heartlands of the SNP voted no,

:36:30.:36:36.

sometimes by thumping majorities. It is completely paradoxical. Yes, it

:36:37.:36:42.

is paradoxical in terms of party politics, but not beyond that. One

:36:43.:36:46.

of the defining factors of the referendum has been about insiders

:36:47.:36:49.

and outsiders. The less state as you have in society, the more likely you

:36:50.:36:59.

were to vote yes. -- status. That map looks like it has held quite

:37:00.:37:03.

significantly. You have to go to Dundee and Glasgow and elsewhere,

:37:04.:37:07.

where there are lots of divisions in nose, but it looks like one of the

:37:08.:37:13.

stories of the night, I think. -- in those. Almost a clasp vote. Yes,

:37:14.:37:19.

people have said that, that it is a class issue. I think that is a bit

:37:20.:37:24.

one-dimensional. We don't want to go back to the 1970s... People have

:37:25.:37:32.

been saying, even in more affluent areas, it is the less affluent bits

:37:33.:37:36.

of those areas that have been voting yes. That is right, and it is

:37:37.:37:40.

something about what people feel they have got at risk what they feel

:37:41.:37:45.

they can gain from the potential social change of independence. A lot

:37:46.:37:50.

of people scared of the unknown, and we have heard about the Law Society,

:37:51.:37:54.

there is institutions of Scotland were scared of things changing,

:37:55.:37:58.

scared of instability. Another way of looking at that, Gordon, it may

:37:59.:38:03.

well be that people who see themselves as being deprived have

:38:04.:38:06.

gone to vote yes, but another way of looking at it is that the middle

:38:07.:38:09.

classes of Scotland came out and said to you and your politics, we

:38:10.:38:15.

are just not having it. I think that is perfectly true, that is my own

:38:16.:38:19.

analysis of it, and that is why they should have been a bad economic

:38:20.:38:23.

presentation, so the middle classes could see that there would be a

:38:24.:38:28.

benefit. Take one example - 40,000 young people emigrate from Scotland

:38:29.:38:34.

every year, a large proportion of them are children from middle-class

:38:35.:38:37.

families. You are finding that they have to leave Scotland in order to

:38:38.:38:42.

get a job or a better job. If we had made that pitch, it may well be that

:38:43.:38:48.

the grandparents could have come into play. The other thing that we

:38:49.:38:52.

can note is that a large number of those who are voting no are of my

:38:53.:38:56.

generation, and it is the older people in particular, still British

:38:57.:39:01.

in some ways, and that is a passing phase. Gordon, thanks for that for

:39:02.:39:08.

the moment. In Edinburgh, it is raining, we have better talk to

:39:09.:39:11.

collector before she is soaked. What is the mood among the financial

:39:12.:39:18.

types you have talked to? It is interesting to see people heading

:39:19.:39:22.

into work, getting on with their business, which started earlier

:39:23.:39:28.

today. I am in Millennium Square just off Lothian road, surrounded by

:39:29.:39:33.

big financial institutions, to my left Scottish Widows, to my right

:39:34.:39:38.

Clydesdale Bank, and beyond that and down the road it is, of course,

:39:39.:39:44.

Standard Life, who have been at the centre of the referendum campaign

:39:45.:39:47.

because they came out early on talking about the dangers for them

:39:48.:39:53.

as a business of a yes vote, and there seems to be a collective sense

:39:54.:39:57.

of relief. There were significant companies that came out in saying

:39:58.:40:01.

that if there was a yes vote, it wouldn't damage business, that

:40:02.:40:04.

Scottish financial institutions would carry on business as usual,

:40:05.:40:10.

and most notably Aberdeen Asset Management. Most organisations will

:40:11.:40:14.

be relieved because of the significant concerns they had around

:40:15.:40:18.

currency and who would be regulating them in an independent Scotland,

:40:19.:40:21.

that has been removed. Those contingency plans do not need to be

:40:22.:40:25.

put into place that people have been working on over the last weeks and

:40:26.:40:29.

months. Looking at the markets, a pretty steady start to the FTSE, and

:40:30.:40:33.

on the currency market the pound took a real bounce this morning,

:40:34.:40:37.

probably off the back of the result and even the predicted results that

:40:38.:40:42.

we saw last night. The pound gaining in value, so it seems to be that the

:40:43.:40:46.

business community and the financial institutions here in Edinburgh are

:40:47.:40:51.

relieved. The instability has been removed. We have talked a lot in

:40:52.:40:54.

this campaign about the fact that business do not like instability,

:40:55.:41:00.

insecurity, and with the bat, it does seem that businesses would be

:41:01.:41:03.

getting on as usual and perhaps even going forward with growth plans that

:41:04.:41:07.

we may have seen put on the back burner over the last weeks and

:41:08.:41:10.

months while we were waiting for this result to be announced. It will

:41:11.:41:14.

be interesting to see in the next weeks and months the growth plans

:41:15.:41:18.

that businesses come out with, whether it is physical extensions or

:41:19.:41:24.

growth plans in terms of finance and staff. We have heard this morning

:41:25.:41:28.

from RBS, saying that they are committed to their Scottish

:41:29.:41:31.

operations, and I would imagine that most other institutions that had put

:41:32.:41:35.

out contingency plans will do the same thing this morning. Again,

:41:36.:41:39.

reassuring the markets that they will continue as normal and are

:41:40.:41:43.

committed to working in Scotland. And, Colletta, is it your sense that

:41:44.:41:48.

banks and financial institutions, were they exaggerating, do you

:41:49.:41:52.

think, what could have happened if there was a yes vote? Or would there

:41:53.:41:57.

have been... Do you think they genuinely believed it could have

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been cataclysmic? I don't think it is a case of exaggeration, but

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contingency plans have to be put in place for any kind of eventuality,

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to banks are used to making that kind of contingency planning. I

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imagine they will be doing something similar in the bun up to the UK

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collection, now that we are seeing these implications around UK

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membership of the EU. -- in the run-up. Banks will be putting in

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those contingency plans, as will other business organisations. It is

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not that they exaggerated the claim, it was a serious issue around the

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issue of regulation. It may have been the case that the UK regulator

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would have forced those banks and institutions to move to the rest of

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the UK where their remaining customers are put up thankfully,

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that is not an issue they have to contend with now or think through

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all work through. They can happily remain in Scotland. That is a relief

:42:52.:42:55.

for workers heading into work this morning, to know their jobs are

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secure and that the institutions and the registered offices will be

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staying here too. All right, Colletta, thank you. For the last 24

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hours, the right to vote is not the only thing that people have been

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queueing for. Here is Jane Lewis. Momentous overnight in Scotland, as

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it was put to the vote, but if you thought these guys were interested

:43:23.:43:26.

in that, not a bit of it! They want to get their hands on the new iPhone

:43:27.:43:31.

6, they have been queueing since Thursday lunch time. Let's have a

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word with a couple of the guys who are desperate to get their hands on

:43:35.:43:38.

the new gadget. Just tell us where you are from. I am from Stirling.

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You know there was perhaps a more important event taking place

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overnight in Scotland, how do you feel about the outcome?

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I am pleased for the vote because I am a no-photo. But half the country

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has not got their own way, so hopefully we can get back together

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and get on with life. -- voter. I am happy with the way things are right

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now but we will see in the future. Let's have a word with you. You were

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queueing, desperate to get your hands on the new iPhone macro. --

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iPhone. I was up watching events on the BBC and now I am down here. I

:44:31.:44:38.

voted before I came. I see the outcome as a victory for the workers

:44:39.:44:44.

here. I think the turnout shows people are passionate about how they

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feel and we can't ignore it because the vote was pretty split. I have to

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ask you in terms of the future, do you think the Westminster government

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will give Scotland what it wants? More powers, for example? I

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absolutely do think that. I don't think we can ignore the 1.5 million

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who came out asking for independence. And I really believe

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we will get the powers we need. People will want to know away from

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the referendum, why are you queueing to get your hands on an iPhone 6? It

:45:20.:45:26.

is quality! I lost the here to collect it! -- I must be here. What

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about you? I told my wife that if the vote went the right way, I would

:45:37.:45:44.

get her an iPhone! Probably half the country are a bit grumpy this

:45:45.:45:47.

morning, waking up with the vote not on their way!

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Now, before you think we have become part of Tim Coutts' advertising

:45:54.:45:58.

strategy, we should remind you other communications products are

:45:59.:46:03.

available! What you think overall? I use a prized by this? No. I actually

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called the result two months ago and called it 36-54 -- 46-54. I didn't

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buy it because it involved people voting where there had not been

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political organisation and made mobilisation for generations in

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terms of the turnout. Interesting that the turnout wasn't as high in

:46:37.:46:41.

Glasgow as people were expecting? It is the lowest in all Scotland but it

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comes from a 41% turnout in 2011. This is quite good to good for

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Glasgow standards. But also the hope of the Yes campaign was that if they

:46:58.:47:02.

could get these people who don't usually vote, they would vote yes.

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That belief doesn't seem to have been very well founded. Yes, and we

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have contradictory evidence on that. What we did know, and I commissioned

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the research on this with Ipsos MORI, we knew that missing Scotland

:47:16.:47:24.

saw the referendum differently and that group despise politicians and

:47:25.:47:28.

the political class and things the right political judgement is not to

:47:29.:47:33.

vote, and we can all understand and see the reasons for that, but they

:47:34.:47:36.

judged the referendum is different. They had a stake in the referendum.

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And we didn't ask them whether they were going to vote yes or no. I was

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took the view that the democratic moment of this was much or as much

:47:46.:47:56.

important as yes /no. It is a huge, huge moment and it has left a

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political challenge for the parties who have left these people behind.

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I'm curious as to what you would do if you were running... We have David

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Cameron saying, we hear you. He is making Walsall 's commitments about

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more powers to the Scottish Parliament. If you were Alex

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Salmond, you want to be in those discussions. -- making all sorts of

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commitments. Would you be saying, I want to do this, that and the other?

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Not entirely. I think the SNP and Alex Salmond have to be receptive to

:48:30.:48:32.

what the Scottish people might want. We don't know what the Scottish

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people want. That is the first problem. And secondly, the thing is

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to really call upon the Unionist parties to deliver. And say, well,

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what are these powers? And be willing to co-operate with them.

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Wouldn't you want to be Justin there to be part of the discussion?

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Because the danger for the SNP is that this is what will happen next,

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and, again, the SNP would not have been part of the process? The

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problem for the SNP is, can it be seen not to be involved in the

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discussion? But within those discussions, you can adopt an active

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or passive position. And I would have adopted a passive position,

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just saying, well, independence is not on the agenda and the Scottish

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people have decided that for the time being. We are open to

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suggestions for real powers. And then I would have specified the

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economic aspect and pushed the challenge back to the Unionist

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parties. They made the vowel and the promises -- they made The Vow and

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the promises, and it is now time to move into the attack. That is a

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tactical issue. One thing that Alex Salmond has is great tactical

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Knauss. -- tactical moves. It will be interesting to see which way the

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Scottish Government turns. I shall be an interested observer. So, Alex

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Salmond, good tactician, lousy strategist! I never said that! That

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is the implication. I have let you say that and I will have to deny it

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completely! I am curious as to what you make of some other things about

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Labour. It is all very well going for more powers but isn't the

:50:23.:50:26.

message of this that Labour has not managed to, if you like, break from

:50:27.:50:31.

nationalism? It has not managed to tell its own traditional supporters

:50:32.:50:34.

a story about deprivation and poverty which breaks out of this

:50:35.:50:38.

whole human about powers of the Scottish Parliament and is actually

:50:39.:50:43.

a story about being part of Britain? I thought you got onto a very

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interesting to rain there, Henry. He used the phrase "missing story".

:50:50.:50:57.

That is very apt. They have not managed to come together to get that

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intelligence into a coherent strategy and Labour have missed a

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strategy on this. Ever since the SNP became a permanent force in Scottish

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politics, really. You could see Gordon Brown in that speech he made

:51:12.:51:15.

the other day was trying to formulate this, but it does seem

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rather extraordinary, that, as you say, after years and years, Labour

:51:19.:51:24.

is largely prepared to argue with the Scottish Nationalists on to rain

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which is staked out by the Nationalists and not Labour? Yes.

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There are so many strategic mistakes when we are talking about strategy

:51:35.:51:37.

and tactics. What they got the referendum down to, Labour, was two

:51:38.:51:43.

versions of constitutional change. That could have worked for yes

:51:44.:51:48.

because it made all could have made the argument that this was the

:51:49.:51:51.

clearer line and strategy for change. There is an obviously the

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macro strategy on this question, which is to say, the UK is broken

:51:55.:52:02.

and Scotland as a battering ram. -- there is an obviously Labour

:52:03.:52:11.

strategy. Obviously large parts of them detest the nationals and that

:52:12.:52:17.

works against their own judgement. And also it was Labour in the 1980s

:52:18.:52:24.

and 90s which posed as the party of Scotland which would protect

:52:25.:52:28.

Scotland against the nasty Tories. Yes. And the SNP were able to step

:52:29.:52:36.

into their shoes and say, hey, folks, we are the general article!

:52:37.:52:43.

Exactly. There was always a danger. What it created was a popular front

:52:44.:52:48.

of the mind of the Labour SNP and the Lib Dems and post the national

:52:49.:52:52.

question, and that combined with the fact that Labour did not have a

:52:53.:52:58.

social justice strategy, Labour did not know what to do with it and did

:52:59.:53:02.

not have intelligence beyond, basically, it was going to kill the

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national stone dead, which is actually a ridiculous argument. So

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where do we go from here? You see, the danger for Labour is this. The

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next thing that happens if the general. They do very well. -- the

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next thing that happens is the general election. May 2016 it will

:53:24.:53:28.

be the Scottish elections. They know the SNP reach their maximum support

:53:29.:53:33.

so they can afford to be complacent. That is right, and we have already

:53:34.:53:39.

been here before. In 2010, Labour won well. They pulled over 1 million

:53:40.:53:44.

votes and then miss read and overinterpreted that result and

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played the same strategy into 2011. -- mis-read. There was the 16 point

:53:48.:53:55.

lead and the SNP landslide. It might not be the same landslide but they

:53:56.:54:00.

cannot over read 2015 if they win. Thanks for now. Before we get into

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deep, let's have a look at what has been happening overnight in

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pictures. Yes, 114,148. No, 139,788. This is

:54:14.:54:28.

the moment when the referendum result was confirmed. 140,000 voters

:54:29.:54:33.

in Fife would take the no support across the finish line with votes

:54:34.:54:40.

still to count. Soon afterwards, the First Minister accepted the result

:54:41.:54:44.

and praise the people of Scotland for an 86% turnout. But he had this

:54:45.:54:49.

message for his Westminster counterparts. On behalf of the

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Scottish Government, I accept the result and I pledge to work

:54:53.:54:56.

constructively in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the United

:54:57.:55:01.

Kingdom. Secondly, the Unionist parties made vows late in the

:55:02.:55:08.

campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect these

:55:09.:55:18.

to be honoured in rapid course. The Prime Minister went further,

:55:19.:55:21.

announcing powers being devolved to all four nations on the same

:55:22.:55:25.

timescale to that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who

:55:26.:55:30.

so successfully led Glasgow's, wealth games, has agreed to oversee

:55:31.:55:33.

the process to take forward these devolution commitments with powers

:55:34.:55:38.

over tax, spending and welfare all agreed by November and draft

:55:39.:55:42.

legislation published by January. -- so successfully led Glasgow's

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Commonwealth Games. It follows that the people of England, Wales and

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Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over their powers. This had been

:55:54.:56:00.

a long night and it would be several hours before the picture would

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become clear. The first result came in at 1:30am, with somebody clearly

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keen to hear the results by phone. Yes, 16,350. No, 19,000...

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 19,036. The people of

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Clackmannanshire voted no. 54% of them, in fact, setting the tone for

:56:31.:56:36.

the night. At the Better Together campaign headquarters, the mood was

:56:37.:56:39.

buoyant. No knowledge of what was to come confidence nonetheless. To

:56:40.:56:44.

those who have supported us and all that great team of volunteers,

:56:45.:56:49.

that's you... CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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All of you, all the political parties who have worked for this

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outcome, I want to say thanks from the bottom of my heart. Thank you

:57:03.:57:08.

very much. The independence referendum in the

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Orkney islands... Amongst the first to declare where the islands, with

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the first result coming in Gaelic. SPEAKS IN GAELIC

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The language might have been different but the result was the

:57:23.:57:24.

same. Still nothing for the yes side. The

:57:25.:57:32.

campaign chairman appeared disappointed. Hundreds were in

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George Square to mark an important day in Scotland's history. The

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spirits here were nothing but high. Dundee was the first to go to yes.

:57:47.:57:51.

It was decisive and made the race neck and neck. And then the biggest

:57:52.:57:56.

moment of the night, when yes took the lead. For a full five minutes,

:57:57.:58:02.

the glum faces were gone and it was high fives all around. The guest

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count stood at 50.2% of those counted. -- the yes count. But then

:58:08.:58:26.

it would crumble. No, 52,000... No, 72,039. I think there are two clear

:58:27.:58:35.

messages coming out of it. Firstly, it suggests people in Scotland have

:58:36.:58:39.

found their voice, and secondly, with over 1 million people voting at

:58:40.:58:44.

this stage for independence, many of those who will have voted no to

:58:45.:58:47.

independence because they believe that would deliver substantially

:58:48.:58:50.

more powers to the Scottish Parliament, there is a big appetite

:58:51.:58:56.

for substantial change. The 32 camps went off almost flawlessly, except

:58:57.:58:59.

in Dundee, where a firearm twice forced the evacuation of accounting

:59:00.:59:07.

wall. A few diligent police officers guarded the ballot papers until the

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counters returned. The result of the vote regarding should Scotland be an

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independent country is no. For some, it was proving to be just too much.

:59:30.:59:38.

Shortly after 5am, the BBC called the referendum with the people of

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Scotland rejecting independence. It is the end of chapter one but the

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full is Tory is still to be written. -- full story.

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It is 11 o'clock, we are on air all morning! Scotland has voted no, I'm

:00:05.:00:13.

joined by politicians and commentators, and Tim will be with

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us throughout, reading the runes on how we voted, and what it tells us

:00:18.:00:21.

about Scotland on September the 19th. For the moment, we are joined

:00:22.:00:26.

by Andy Martin, who is at Stormont. Of course, Northern Ireland is a

:00:27.:00:30.

place which has been watching the results overnight with almost as

:00:31.:00:33.

much attention as people in Scotland. What is the reaction

:00:34.:00:40.

there, Andy? Well, unionists, Andy, and the business community broadly

:00:41.:00:44.

are very happy at the result, certainly business leaders point out

:00:45.:00:48.

that there is about ?700 million worth of trade between Northern

:00:49.:00:52.

Ireland and Scotland in terms of manufacturing here. However, I think

:00:53.:00:55.

he was old, whatever way it had gone, would cause some problems for

:00:56.:01:02.

Northern Ireland. -- I think the result. It could be argued that the

:01:03.:01:07.

Executive at Stormont doesn't really need more power, because it is

:01:08.:01:10.

having difficulty dealing with the devolved powers that it has already.

:01:11.:01:16.

There is a crisis looming here to do with welfare reform passed on from

:01:17.:01:19.

the Treasury, the cuts that are meant to be made to the welfare

:01:20.:01:22.

budget. They can't agree, the two main parties, the DUP, to the right

:01:23.:01:28.

of centre, and an extreme Unionist party, and Sinn Fein, the left of

:01:29.:01:33.

centre nationalists party, do not see eye to eye on the issue. Sinn

:01:34.:01:36.

Fein does not want to implement welfare cuts, the DUP, which is

:01:37.:01:41.

responsible for operating the finance ministry, as to make the

:01:42.:01:45.

balance, has to make the budget balance. As a result of that, we are

:01:46.:01:50.

looking at ?84 million without cuts, for the money they have not

:01:51.:01:54.

deducted from welfare this year. And then another ?140 million next year.

:01:55.:02:00.

So there is this difficulty, a crisis looming at Stormont in any

:02:01.:02:03.

case. It could be argued that if more powers are to be devolved to

:02:04.:02:08.

Northern Ireland, that it could cause increasing acrimony between

:02:09.:02:11.

the parties that do not see eye to eye in any case. It is not

:02:12.:02:15.

necessarily the case that devolving more powers to Northern Ireland is a

:02:16.:02:18.

good thing. Thank you very much for now. We are... Oh, no, I thought we

:02:19.:02:28.

were going to Wales, we are going to Gerry Hassan instead. That is one

:02:29.:02:32.

thing we have not seen yet, isn't it? Reaction from Wales and Northern

:02:33.:02:38.

Ireland, because the reactions there are not straightforward. No, they

:02:39.:02:43.

are not. There was an element of anxiety in Northern Irish and Welsh

:02:44.:02:48.

political classes about the issue of Scottish independence, but they see

:02:49.:02:53.

this evolving asymmetrical Union which will have opportunities for

:02:54.:02:58.

them. It is early in the day for asymmetrical unionism! I am sorry, I

:02:59.:03:03.

have been up all night. Hang on, we are going to Carwyn Jones.

:03:04.:03:10.

For more than two years now, it would draw up a future settlement

:03:11.:03:15.

which reflect the aspirations of all of the UK's constituent parts. I

:03:16.:03:18.

haven't altered my view that the Prime Minister was wrong not to have

:03:19.:03:23.

undertaken this well before now. Indeed, his experiences over the

:03:24.:03:26.

past few weeks they have given him pause for thought. He has said that,

:03:27.:03:32.

in the last week, that he views the UK as being part of a family. Well,

:03:33.:03:36.

unlike the unilateral deal that he did with Scotland when it came to

:03:37.:03:42.

holding the referendum, despite the impact of a potential yes vote on

:03:43.:03:45.

the people of Wales and Northern Ireland, he needs to get us all

:03:46.:03:50.

around the table, the people of all of these four nations must have a

:03:51.:03:55.

seat at that table. It is time for our constitution to be put on a

:03:56.:03:59.

coherent footing, no more tinkering at the edges year after year. The UK

:04:00.:04:03.

has suffered a serious injury, and a sticking plaster will not do. Sudden

:04:04.:04:08.

declarations of English votes for English laws is an example of that

:04:09.:04:13.

sticking plaster. The old Union is dead. We need to forge a new Union.

:04:14.:04:19.

The noble committees, no more messing about, no more panicky

:04:20.:04:24.

deals. -- but no more committees. It is time for us all to work this

:04:25.:04:27.

through for the benefit of all of us. I think the UK Government, who

:04:28.:04:34.

until recently had scant regard for devolution, underestimated how broad

:04:35.:04:36.

the constitutional debate would become at the beginning of the

:04:37.:04:41.

referendum campaign. Wales cannot and will not play second fiddle as

:04:42.:04:46.

we work up a new institutional framework. Because the people of

:04:47.:04:51.

Wales, regardless of where they were born, what language they speak,

:04:52.:04:54.

their religion or the colour of the skin, are part of the nation of

:04:55.:04:59.

Wales, and they deserve an equal voice with other nations in

:05:00.:05:01.

discussions about the future structure of the UK. Scotland and

:05:02.:05:07.

Northern Ireland are, of course, very much part of the process, and I

:05:08.:05:10.

look forward to having an early meeting with Alex Salmond and Peter

:05:11.:05:15.

Robinson. It is time to recognise that devolution is an established

:05:16.:05:20.

part of our constitution and needs to be guaranteed, as Gordon Brown

:05:21.:05:28.

has said. Let me turn to funding. Wales's underfunding must be

:05:29.:05:33.

addressed. We are underfunded to the tune of ?300 million per year, money

:05:34.:05:38.

that could be spent on our NHS and on education in Wales. The people of

:05:39.:05:44.

Wales, through their work in coal, steel, tin plate and slate

:05:45.:05:47.

industries, contributed mightily to the prosperity of the UK. It is

:05:48.:05:51.

perfectly reasonable that we should now expect a fair share of the pot.

:05:52.:05:57.

So there is lots to be discussed. We need to start these talks now. The

:05:58.:06:06.

establishment almost lost the Union. The people of these nations

:06:07.:06:14.

must now rebuild it. With that, I will now take some questions. First

:06:15.:06:20.

Minister, Sky News, it has been described that Wales has been a

:06:21.:06:23.

spectator nation through these process, that partly through the

:06:24.:06:26.

fault of politicians such as yourself? Not at all. It is fair to

:06:27.:06:30.

say there is an obsession with Scotland in the media, but there we

:06:31.:06:35.

are. Scotland has been a topic discussed for some time. I first

:06:36.:06:38.

called for a constitutional convention in Dublin castle, of all

:06:39.:06:42.

places, more than two years ago. I saw there was a need to look at the

:06:43.:06:46.

future structure of the UK in the round. Nobody at the time

:06:47.:06:52.

supported... Well, Tom Greatrex, the Labour MP, has joined us while that

:06:53.:06:57.

has been going on. Let me ask you a question about Wales. You heard what

:06:58.:07:01.

Carwyn Jones said about money, and one of the points that the Welsh

:07:02.:07:07.

make is this, look, part of the debate in Scotland has been that the

:07:08.:07:11.

Barnett formula is now, you know, set in stone as this almost sacred

:07:12.:07:15.

thing that can never be altered, but of course the Welsh feel they lose

:07:16.:07:19.

out from it. They don't want it to stay, they feel, as they said, that

:07:20.:07:24.

they are completely underfunded. There is a conflict of interest

:07:25.:07:29.

there between Scotland and Wales, even though you are both Labour.

:07:30.:07:35.

There are a series of conflicts of interest in this debate, and that is

:07:36.:07:39.

why I have a lot of sympathy for the points that Carwyn Jones was making

:07:40.:07:43.

around the need to look at the wider constitutional issues across the

:07:44.:07:47.

piece. Because he made the point that, where we are now is somewhere

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weather is significant change that is going to have to happen. No-one

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else will remember Gordon talking to you on one of your previous lives

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about a year ago, actually, talking about devolution and

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decentralisation as a principle within our political structure which

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cannot always be, and it cannot be any more, that people talk about

:08:12.:08:14.

devolution is some kind of sop to try to buy off the demand is for

:08:15.:08:21.

nationalism or independence. It has actually got to be properly embedded

:08:22.:08:23.

in the way our politics works, and that is an issue in England, as

:08:24.:08:32.

Wales as in Scotland, and I spend much of my time in different parts

:08:33.:08:35.

of England, and it should not be a surprise that the dissatisfaction

:08:36.:08:39.

with the over centralisation in England is as much of an issue in

:08:40.:08:43.

places like Sheffield, places like Manchester, and in Cornwall,

:08:44.:08:48.

Bristol, across almost all of everywhere apart from the south-east

:08:49.:08:52.

corner of England. It is a big issue to properly address. It is all very

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well for David Cameron and everyone else to suddenly be talking about

:08:57.:09:00.

more devolution, and I think David Cameron talked about the cities in

:09:01.:09:04.

England as well, but a lot of people in England will say, hang on a

:09:05.:09:08.

minute, this is what Blair and Prescott were on about, and when we

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were given the choice for more devolution, we voted against it, we

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are not interested. Why should we suddenly get interested in a federal

:09:17.:09:20.

UK just because Scotland once more devolution? They respect the

:09:21.:09:25.

decision but don't force us to be interested in something we don't

:09:26.:09:28.

care about. I think you will find, if you go back to people not just in

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the north-east of England, but across different parts of England,

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as well as in Wales and Northern Ireland, you will find the attitude

:09:37.:09:40.

that there was in 1999-2000, when that referendum in the north-east

:09:41.:09:44.

happened, is very different now to the need now for real devolution

:09:45.:09:50.

within those areas. Now, what part of that result, going back in

:09:51.:09:54.

history, I think it was about a feeling that people did not want

:09:55.:09:57.

another tier of politics necessarily, but that is very

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different from decentralising power, and that is something which, for a

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whole range of reasons, needs to happen now or in the experience. And

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other things have happened in the time between then and now, you know,

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in terms of the way in which people are able to do things, technological

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improvements which make it more possible and practical, and that is

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where the debate has to get to, as soon as we can, because devolution

:10:24.:10:26.

and decentralisation needs to be a core part of our evolving

:10:27.:10:31.

constitution, and if it is not, if I can make this point, what we have

:10:32.:10:36.

seen over the course of the last 24-48 hours in Scotland is go to be

:10:37.:10:40.

more of an issue everywhere else as well, because the dissatisfaction

:10:41.:10:44.

with an overcentralised state is there across all parts of the UK.

:10:45.:10:47.

Jerry, Carwyn Jones doesn't mince his words, does he? The

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establishment almost lost the Union. Is a great sound bite, he is

:10:56.:10:58.

absolute right, and Tom makes a number of good points as well. This

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is not just a constitutional moment of crisis, there is something that

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Tom was getting too about how Westminster and the British state do

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not nurture and support and look after the working people of all

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Britain. You have to marry constitutional change to economic

:11:15.:11:17.

and social change, and that is a big set of this use. It is not just

:11:18.:11:23.

about federalism, it is the uneven development of England, the UK, the

:11:24.:11:28.

north-east, the Northwest, no political voice in the corridors of

:11:29.:11:32.

power. They are sidelined. That is not just about the coalition, these

:11:33.:11:36.

are long-term changes, capital in British society, tough for

:11:37.:11:40.

progressive politics to address. Let's get your reaction to something

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that we were discussing earlier, we were discussing it with Henry

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McLeish, and that is that one of the striking things about this is that

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most of the traditional working class Labour areas in Scotland voted

:11:52.:11:58.

yes, and what Labour has not managed to do is develop pain nonnationals

:11:59.:12:01.

way of talking about issues like poverty and deprivation. -- to

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develop a non-nationalised way. You need to punch through that, don't

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you? In a way that argued Lee Gordon Brown has been trying to do. The

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point I was time to make before... -- arguably. We have a result on the

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referendum, and it has to be about the way in which we don't see and

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cannot see and cannot carry on seeing devolution as something to

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sort of by nationalism. That has been a big error... Fine, more

:12:34.:12:41.

evolution, you can encode that into your central policies, --

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devolution. But the Nationalists have managed to convince, in your

:12:51.:12:54.

core areas, people who are less well off that independence was the way to

:12:55.:12:59.

get the establishment to cater to their concerns. You have not managed

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to develop a narrative, as Labour, which says, no, this is about

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everyone in Britain pulling together, working people and all the

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rest of it. You have failed in that. The experience in my own area,

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South Lanarkshire, as an example, we note... All you have to do was walk

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over the border into North Lanarkshire and you would know what

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I mean! The result in South Lanarkshire almost mirrors the

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national result, and it is a very mixed area, urban and rural areas,

:13:30.:13:33.

some affluent parts, some significant areas of deprivation.

:13:34.:13:39.

But the extent to which people who would identify themselves previously

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as Labour voters voting yes was not as far as it was necessarily

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portrayed in some of the debate running up to the referendum.

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It is hard to tell the figure. But I know from talking to voters in my

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questions, when I have been out campaigning, it was not as clear cut

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as Labour voters voting "yes" and people voting SNP in 2011, to be an

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anti-Labour alternative voting no. It was not that clear. But what came

:14:16.:14:21.

across clearly from the traditional Labour voters, is that this is

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almost a last chance. We have to properly deal with the issues.

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The last chance for Labour? The last chance for us to deal with how we

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want Scotland to be in the future. How we want devolution to work, from

:14:36.:14:40.

Edinburgh as well a to Edinburgh. That is something that we have to

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address. What do you mean the last chance?

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Because people, enough people were not convinced of the case... A last

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chance for Labour to finish... The commitments made in relation to

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devolution during the course of the campaign must be delivered, a wider

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and further devolution centralisation of power in the UK,

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or we will be having people looking at the UK and saying that this does

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not work anymore. Thank you very much.

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David Porter, I hope it is warm there. You seem to have been

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standing there for several days. What is happening? I am a trooper. I

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have been on guard at Downing Street. It is a lot calmer outside

:15:29.:15:34.

and inside than it was overnight. And certainly as it was first thing

:15:35.:15:37.

this morning. Downing Street would like to get on with the process of

:15:38.:15:41.

politics, and say it is business as usual. But I was interested in the

:15:42.:15:46.

comments from Carwyn Jones in Wales. If Downing Street were hoping to say

:15:47.:15:50.

that Scotland is sorted out, that we will have a commission to talk about

:15:51.:15:54.

devolution in the future, they will be disappointed. It is obvious

:15:55.:15:57.

coming from Wales and from Northern Ireland as well, that there is a

:15:58.:16:05.

view that basically the genie is out of the bottle. There will be more

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devolution throughout the United Kingdom. And the local authorities

:16:09.:16:13.

in England have put out a statement, saying that this is a great

:16:14.:16:17.

opportunity. Some of the great cities in England, Liverpools, the

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Manchesters, the Bristols, the Birminghams, are now saying that if

:16:22.:16:26.

Scotland is going to get more powers, more power over taxation,

:16:27.:16:30.

benefits, that sort of thing, that they would like to see more

:16:31.:16:34.

devolution as well. It is all calm here at Downing Street at the moment

:16:35.:16:37.

but I think over the days and the weeks to come, there is no doubt

:16:38.:16:41.

that this debate is going to carry on. The problem for the coalition

:16:42.:16:45.

government is that basically they have very little time in which to

:16:46.:16:49.

get things moving. They say that they are having a commission, that

:16:50.:16:53.

they will have draft legislation, that will not get through before the

:16:54.:16:56.

general election. There is not the time. Let alone to get it through

:16:57.:17:01.

the Commons. Think how the House of Lords would look at that. So the

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next UK Government in residence behind me in May 2015, a big thing

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in the in-tray is to sort out the devolution, to get the proposals

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through. It will not be easy it will not be sorted soon.

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David, thank you. We are going to be joined now by Chris Morris.

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Chris Morris, has there been reaction where you are? Yes, there

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has. I guess, if you wanted to use a word it is probably "relief" they

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may not put it that way themselves in Brussels but we have had

:17:42.:17:44.

statements from the European Commission and the something of

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NATO, welcoming the fact that Scotland has decided to stay with

:17:49.:17:56.

the United Kingdom. Bars bars bars, the President of -- Jose Manuel

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Durao Barroso has said that the "no" vote is better for a united and a

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stronger Europe. And taking into the fact that the Scottish government

:18:07.:18:10.

argued for a pro-European perspective, the statement said that

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they would continue to work with the Scottish government closely on the

:18:14.:18:17.

issues with which it is concerned. The statement mentioned the

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environment, climate change, martyr regulation. So I think that a bit of

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a sigh of relief overall. The independence of Scotland, thes is

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eggs of part of an existence of member state would have raised a

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whole host of questions that many here in Brussels and other parts of

:18:41.:18:45.

Europe would not like to address. It is partly where the European

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Unions are based but Belgium, itself, has got tendency to

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splitting up. I wonder if there has been reaction from Belgium

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politicians as opposed to EU ones? Last night, the Flemish separatists

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were demonstrating in favour of a "yes" in Brussels as the counting

:19:11.:19:14.

began. They will be disappointed. But the one reaction that I have

:19:15.:19:19.

seen from a Flemish separatist party was along the lines from what I have

:19:20.:19:22.

seen from the Catalan Government in Spain. That is the fact that of

:19:23.:19:27.

holding the referendum is for them significant. The fact that there can

:19:28.:19:31.

be a constitutional route, a peaceful route to decide the

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questions. Obviously governments tend to prefer

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the status quo. I think what happened last night, while there may

:19:40.:19:42.

be those across Europe who would have liked to have seen a "yes", the

:19:43.:19:47.

fact that the process took place has given some people who favour a

:19:48.:19:52.

different form of government in other European countries, a

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considerable degree of hope, I think.

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In the referendum campaign, there were interventions from the

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Australian Prime Minister, President Obama, saying that they wanted the

:20:15.:20:18.

UK to stick together. Iram sure that with will hear from the White House

:20:19.:20:22.

at some point. It is interesting that the Foreign Minister for the

:20:23.:20:26.

Catalan government has said that the referendum has been a success for

:20:27.:20:31.

the democratic process. The Spanish Prime Minister, I don't know if

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Chris was talking about it there, obviously welcoming the result of

:20:35.:20:38.

the referendum. And they have clearly some difficulties with the

:20:39.:20:43.

Catalan government which today is announcing or expecting to announce

:20:44.:20:49.

a nonbinding referendum on their separatist hopes. And that would

:20:50.:20:55.

obviously cause problems for Spain. Angela Merkel's spokesperson said

:20:56.:21:00.

that it was an impressive turnout, and welcoming the decision Scotland

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to stay in the UK and saying that they want an engaged, strong and

:21:07.:21:11.

unified UK. So clearly relief around Europe and the wider world and the

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nations that have separatists movements, welcoming the democratic

:21:17.:21:29.

process and hoping it will give them some saga.

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And is this last chance for theistist party? I thought that was

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candid and honest and accurate. Obviously we all know one that is

:21:42.:21:46.

significant, the margin of victory which is significant. But I had a

:21:47.:21:51.

hunch that the No campaign would win. But despite the margin they had

:21:52.:21:57.

to throw everything in it to win it. I do think it is a last chance

:21:58.:22:03.

saloon for the union. I think it gives a window for the UK state to

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show enlightenment towards Scotland and parts of England that don't have

:22:09.:22:14.

power in the centre. There is not support for English regions, English

:22:15.:22:16.

Parliament but something must be done about breaking out the way that

:22:17.:22:21.

the south-east and London crowds out the rest of England. Scotland does

:22:22.:22:26.

well in the UK economically but some things have to happen. I have always

:22:27.:22:30.

said to people that think this is a bit of an unpopular view in

:22:31.:22:34.

Scotland. There is an element of intelligence in the UK state craft,

:22:35.:22:38.

in the TORP and the Labour Party, there is a window for them to reform

:22:39.:22:43.

the union. If not, we will be back with a second referendum. That would

:22:44.:22:49.

be won -- Tory party. Tom, the danger within the Labour

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Party from your point of view, given what you said, is that it is

:22:54.:22:57.

possible that Labour in Scotland will take the opposite view? The

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next thing coming up, the general election. Labour does well here. We,

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there is a temptation to say we always do well, we don't have to

:23:08.:23:14.

change, then may 2016, they did so well the last time, we can afford to

:23:15.:23:21.

be complacent but if you think that is the team tearings, it is a

:23:22.:23:26.

temptation that should be resisted? I think it will be resisted.

:23:27.:23:30.

The exercise that we have been through with the campaign and the

:23:31.:23:34.

referendum have demonstrated with the level of turnout that there is a

:23:35.:23:38.

genuine across the whole of Scotland, an interest in the issues.

:23:39.:23:43.

There are a number of factors that led to the result. But overall,

:23:44.:23:48.

there is a sense, I think, it is mirrored by what you hear from other

:23:49.:23:51.

parts of the UK, that we have to change the way in which the UK

:23:52.:23:55.

works. If the Labour Party in Scotland does not take that on

:23:56.:24:00.

board, I do believe that we will take it on board and address the

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points. There are challenges. The fundamental basic case from my

:24:08.:24:10.

perspective is to pool and share resources through government policy

:24:11.:24:15.

to be Irael to direct the resources according to -- to be able to direct

:24:16.:24:23.

the resources according to policy and to have more decentralised

:24:24.:24:27.

decision-making. But there are big challenges there.

:24:28.:24:32.

I think that business as usual will be bad for the union and the medium

:24:33.:24:35.

in the long-term. Now, it has been a political

:24:36.:24:40.

campaign of unprecedented proportions, truly a national

:24:41.:24:44.

conversation. The debate has been fierce and passionate. But with a

:24:45.:24:50.

close result predicted, it will mean that a significant number of people

:24:51.:24:53.

will be less disappointed in the morning... I think that somebody

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wrote this last night! We examine how the two sides can be reconciled

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now that the test has settled. We are best friends.

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The debate has been rigorous, rarely rancorous. But a few flash point

:25:14.:25:35.

moments... Am Labour! Jon Prescott was courting Labour voters for the

:25:36.:25:45.

no campaign. Such powerful visitors attracted counterdemonstrations from

:25:46.:25:48.

the opposite side. But with so many people prepared to

:25:49.:25:53.

come out on to the streets to show their support for each camp, will it

:25:54.:25:57.

be possible for the country to come together again now that the result

:25:58.:26:04.

is known? One big name in the campaign, Margot McDonald has not

:26:05.:26:08.

been able to take part personally but the message was taken around the

:26:09.:26:17.

country by her widower. At one minute past 10. Whatever the

:26:18.:26:23.

result, she wanted the divisions to end and the nation to seek a unity

:26:24.:26:30.

of purpose. If Margo could debate without

:26:31.:26:38.

conceding one iota of principle but do so without venom, so can we all.

:26:39.:26:43.

If she could respect the right of the other side to their opinions, so

:26:44.:26:47.

can we all. That's what happened in Quebec in

:26:48.:26:55.

1995. The no side prevailed with a tiny margin, 56%. Just 50,000 votes

:26:56.:27:00.

from an electorate slightly larger than Scotland today. Observers say

:27:01.:27:06.

that despite that, Canada was not rebellious. There was consensus that

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the referendum had been a vitally important matter.

:27:12.:27:16.

There was a recognition it had been a very bruising experience for the

:27:17.:27:21.

electorate in Quebec. It was a close result but also a result that really

:27:22.:27:27.

mattered. Not a close result on an issue that was unimportant to

:27:28.:27:31.

people. One key battleground has been

:27:32.:27:35.

business and commerce. Business leaders insist that it is

:27:36.:27:39.

uncertainty that they abhore, today there is certainty. The Scottish

:27:40.:27:43.

council for development and industry says that now we know the outcome,

:27:44.:27:46.

Scotland is open for business. . The sooner the Scottish or the

:27:47.:27:52.

Westminster Government can provide real insight, then the sooner that

:27:53.:27:57.

business is reassured and we are able to pass on that reassurance to

:27:58.:28:03.

the workforce, to the investors and importantly to the customers to

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demonstrate that Scotland remains a very, very good place to do

:28:08.:28:10.

business. The Church of Scotland is holding a

:28:11.:28:16.

reconciliation service at St Gyles cathedral in Edinburgh on Sunday.

:28:17.:28:21.

But the mot rare believes that the conversation will leave the Scots

:28:22.:28:24.

society stronger. The remarkable thing about the

:28:25.:28:28.

campaign has been that so many people have been involved. Not in my

:28:29.:28:34.

lifetime has there been issue over which the civic voice of Scotland

:28:35.:28:37.

has been heard so clearly. When you have a process that generates that

:28:38.:28:41.

much involvement and that much interest, that must be good.

:28:42.:28:49.

But what we need after the referendum is the same amount of

:28:50.:28:53.

civic involvement but all on the same side.

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With a heavy turnout, it is inevitable many people will be

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disappointed today. How that is managed holds the key to the future

:29:06.:29:08.

for all of Scotland. Let's go back over to Andrew, in

:29:09.:29:16.

Hollywood. You are in a bubble, outside the building, aren't you?

:29:17.:29:19.

You said earlier you were in and out, which seemed deeply mystical

:29:20.:29:26.

and significant? We are calling this the Holyrood bubble. We are just

:29:27.:29:31.

outside the Scottish Parliament, in the media village, surrounded by

:29:32.:29:34.

journalists is from all across the world. They are talking into their

:29:35.:29:39.

cameras with the latest news from here. We are outside the parliament

:29:40.:29:44.

but in doors, thankfully. It is nice and warm. To give us some analysis

:29:45.:29:52.

of the campaign, I am joined by Ian Martin, the political commentator.

:29:53.:29:55.

Thanks for coming to speak to us. Let's track back and look at the

:29:56.:29:59.

campaign, from that famous YouGov Sunday, the famous poll that put the

:30:00.:30:04.

Yes Campaign ahead. We saw the full might of the Westminster machine,

:30:05.:30:09.

didn't we? It gave the Westminster establishment the equivalent of a

:30:10.:30:13.

heart attack, really. In that period, in the run-up to that,

:30:14.:30:16.

things were starting to go wrong for them in focus groups as well. The

:30:17.:30:20.

poll was the thing that really shocked them into action. There was

:30:21.:30:24.

a feeling at that point that momentum is incredibly important in

:30:25.:30:28.

campaigns, it always is. There was a feeling that once they potentially

:30:29.:30:34.

had the momentum the race could run away with itself. That is why you

:30:35.:30:38.

saw this huge effort, Alex Hammond made a great play on the campaign

:30:39.:30:42.

Trail of saying there was some coordinated effort by Whitehall and

:30:43.:30:47.

the British establishment, yes, that was the idea! They were trying to

:30:48.:30:51.

save the United Kingdom and they were convinced it was in serious

:30:52.:30:55.

danger. In that crucial weekend, David Cameron didn't even go to the

:30:56.:31:01.

Braemar games, they thought that him being pictured in tweed alongside

:31:02.:31:05.

the Queen would not portray the right image. They recast how they

:31:06.:31:08.

would portray the running of the campaign. Gordon Brown was brought

:31:09.:31:13.

to the fore, more passion was injected. They scaled up the

:31:14.:31:16.

warnings and the City of London reacted in a way that suggested that

:31:17.:31:23.

the markets were spooked. You are plugged into that business network

:31:24.:31:25.

in London and Scotland, you are saying it was an orchestrated

:31:26.:31:29.

campaign, as the First Minister portrayed it? In some sense? It

:31:30.:31:34.

presents it as somehow being sinister. But businesses with

:31:35.:31:40.

concerns, serious concerns about separation, who I think had been

:31:41.:31:45.

convinced that it was going to be OK, a month ago, Cabinet ministers

:31:46.:31:49.

were walking around at Westminster saying, mistakenly in my view, that

:31:50.:31:54.

they were calmly confident and it all looked OK. I think that YouGov

:31:55.:32:00.

poll, whether it turns out to be rogue or suggested some... That it

:32:01.:32:04.

was adjusting its methodology, we will have to find out what happened,

:32:05.:32:12.

it did energise and panic the No Campaign and produced the most

:32:13.:32:19.

extraordinary final run into a British campaign that I can remember

:32:20.:32:22.

I have ever covered. I think it is a campaign without resident. The

:32:23.:32:28.

strategy was perhaps to cap that momentum of Yes. If the poll had

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been held the previous Thursday, do you think they might have won? The

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No Campaign might not have capped the momentum, as they managed to do.

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It's a good point, if the poll came later in the cycle and they have

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been left with a few days to organise that kind of response,

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warning of the dangers and stepping up the offer on a timetable, they

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have a timetable, I'm not sure what the plan is, but the timetable on

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more powers, if that have been concertinaed, indeed. We saw Gordon

:33:09.:33:13.

Brown sweeping in in the last few days, why was Alistair Darling not

:33:14.:33:19.

coping? Did they not think he was effective enough? You made that

:33:20.:33:24.

barnstorming speech, did he help sway it? Gordon Brown had a

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brilliant tale and to the campaign, that was the best speech I have seen

:33:31.:33:34.

him give, he gave the speech of his life. However, let's put this into

:33:35.:33:39.

context, Alistair Darling held together a very difficult, desperate

:33:40.:33:45.

coalition of interests in Better Together. It was a difficult

:33:46.:33:49.

campaign to run. Only someone with his legendary patience could have

:33:50.:33:56.

done that. Gordon Brown could not, he will not even speak to

:33:57.:33:59.

conservatives and he is a very tribal figure, he could not have

:34:00.:34:02.

swept in and run the campaign six months ago or a year ago. They

:34:03.:34:06.

deployed Gordon Brown almost as a preacher at the end come to do his

:34:07.:34:14.

classic Scottish Labour thing. It certainly had an impact. On the

:34:15.:34:18.

other side, we saw how Alex Salmond was very much in the picture in the

:34:19.:34:23.

last couple of weeks of campaigning. Nicola Sturgeon had a very obvious

:34:24.:34:28.

role. Every night, night after night, it was Alex Salmond. Was that

:34:29.:34:31.

the right thing to do? He was always pointing out it was not about him,

:34:32.:34:36.

it was a broader movement, but do you think it was the right thing

:34:37.:34:39.

that he always had the main focus? When the history of this is written,

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I think it will be regarded as a serious mistake. I think the boost

:34:44.:34:49.

to his confidence, he is never really lacking in self-confidence,

:34:50.:34:53.

but the boost to his confidence when he saw it as him having been allowed

:34:54.:35:02.

to be himself, let Alex the Alex, in the second debate, when he was seen

:35:03.:35:05.

to have eaten Alistair Darling, his tail was up and he was determined to

:35:06.:35:10.

lead from the front. The problem was that it left the Nationalists in the

:35:11.:35:18.

final two weeks looking hubristic. Alex Salmond, just at the point when

:35:19.:35:23.

he needed to be reaching out to the don't knows, those that are

:35:24.:35:26.

unconvinced and might have had feared about independence, he

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instead presented a very tribal face. I think it was the wrong pitch

:35:36.:35:41.

for the final ten days. He looked increasingly frazzled. I think it

:35:42.:35:47.

was a mistake for the leader of any mainstream political party to

:35:48.:35:50.

describe demonstrations against journalist as a joyous affair. I

:35:51.:35:57.

think he was tired and I think he messed up the final ten days of the

:35:58.:36:02.

campaign. Thank you for your analysis of the last couple of

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weeks. Hollywood is actually fairly quiet at the moment. I think people

:36:07.:36:16.

are getting some much deserved kip. We are joined by Tom Burridge from

:36:17.:36:21.

central Barcelona. There were high hopes among some Catalan

:36:22.:36:23.

nationalists that Scotland would set a precedent. Presumably they are not

:36:24.:36:30.

terribly happy with the outcome? I think that is fair to say. We are in

:36:31.:36:36.

probably the busiest and noisiest Square in Barcelona. There is a band

:36:37.:36:41.

warming up for a regional festival that is kicking off later today. The

:36:42.:36:44.

building behind me, behind the bus full of tourists is, is the Catalan

:36:45.:36:53.

regional government. The equivalent here of Alex Hammond will be

:36:54.:36:55.

speaking at a press conference within the next half-hour. It will

:36:56.:37:00.

be interesting to get his reaction. Last week in an interview he told me

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he hoped for a Yes Vote. He did not get that, Scotland did not decide

:37:06.:37:09.

yes. It will be interesting to see how candid he is about his

:37:10.:37:13.

disappointment. I spoke to one of his aides earlier and they were

:37:14.:37:18.

trying to put as positive a spin as you like, from a Catalan

:37:19.:37:24.

perspective. They said it is all about the right to vote in

:37:25.:37:30.

Catalonia. The pro-independence movement and the Catalan government

:37:31.:37:32.

have successfully shifted the debate in those terms. It is much more a

:37:33.:37:35.

debate about whether they should have a referendum or not, rather

:37:36.:37:41.

than a debate about independence. As things stand, the Catalan government

:37:42.:37:44.

still plans to hold a vote on November the 9th. But the Spanish

:37:45.:37:49.

government, like David Cameron, has said you will not be able to have

:37:50.:37:53.

that vote, a vote in Catalonia would be illegal. Is there any sign of any

:37:54.:38:00.

movement? I'm slightly alarmed by what that bus driver is doing behind

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you! Assuming he does not hit you, could you tell us if there is any

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sign of movement by the Spanish government on this? Yes, this is a

:38:09.:38:16.

pretty chaotic square. Anyway, we will keep going. The central thing

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here is, no, I don't think so. In the last week or so, we have seen a

:38:22.:38:26.

ramping up of the language by the Spanish government. The Foreign

:38:27.:38:31.

Minister, earlier in the week, basically said there was no measure

:38:32.:38:35.

beyond the use of the Spanish government in stopping the

:38:36.:38:38.

referendum going ahead. They hinted they might even suspend the powers

:38:39.:38:42.

of the regional government, the government in that building behind

:38:43.:38:46.

me, in order to stop the referendum going ahead. On top of that you have

:38:47.:38:49.

the Spanish Constitutional Court, within the next week or so, expected

:38:50.:38:55.

to rule that a referendum would be illegal. If you look at the letter

:38:56.:38:59.

of the law in the Spanish written constitution, we do not have one in

:39:00.:39:03.

Britain but they do in Spain, if you look at the letter of the law it

:39:04.:39:06.

says a referendum passed to have the approval of the Spanish parliament,

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the majority of the Spanish parliament, and that is controlled

:39:10.:39:13.

by his party and it's impossible to see that happening. Our hearts were

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in our mouths there, what's that back and you might be rather

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surprised by what happened! Tim can tell us more about where Scotland

:39:26.:39:31.

and the UK can go now. Hopefully no buses behind me! A

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decisive No Vote, and Scotland has rejected the offer of independence

:39:36.:39:39.

and gone instead for beefed up Scottish Parliament. What happens

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next? Well, supporters of the union say they will transfer more powers

:39:45.:39:48.

to Holyrood, guaranteed, but we don't know exactly which ones. On

:39:49.:39:53.

Tuesday, in a statement branded as the vow, the Prime Minister, his

:39:54.:39:58.

deputy and the Labour Leader all declared:

:39:59.:40:13.

The Scottish leaders of labour, Conservatives and the Liberal

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Democrats also pledged to support a strong Scottish Parliament in a

:40:19.:40:23.

strong United Kingdom and support the further strengthening of

:40:24.:40:26.

parliament powers. That may have swayed voters to the union and away

:40:27.:40:30.

from independence. We still don't know which powers. The three parties

:40:31.:40:34.

don't agree what they should change and they have each set out ideas.

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Let's look at Labour. The Scottish Parliament currently has the power

:40:40.:40:42.

to vary the standard rate of them tax by 3p in the pound up or down.

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It has never been used, but it is there. From April 2016, under

:40:48.:40:51.

legislation already in the pipeline, that will be increased to

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10p in the pound. Labour says go further, make it 15p in the pound

:40:56.:40:59.

under the control of the Scottish Parliament. Any cut in tax would

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apply equally to standard and upper rates. There will be a special

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power... Sorry, the upper rates. They would devolve control of

:41:09.:41:10.

housing benefits and attendance allowance. Let's turn to the

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Conservatives, the party which historically opposed to devolution

:41:19.:41:22.

now wants to add to Holyrood's powers and go further than Labour.

:41:23.:41:26.

They say keep it simple, give the Scottish Parliament full control of

:41:27.:41:33.

income tax rates. The Tories would also devolve some welfare powers,

:41:34.:41:37.

housing benefit and attendance allowance. How about the Liberal

:41:38.:41:42.

Democrats? They want a federal UK. For now, their plan is for more

:41:43.:41:46.

devolution and is more ambitious than the others. They say devolve

:41:47.:41:50.

income tax, capital gains tax and inheritance tax. They would also

:41:51.:41:53.

allow the Scottish Parliament to spend the proceeds of Scottish

:41:54.:42:06.

corporation tax. They want to share power on issues like benefits. They

:42:07.:42:10.

have signed up to a timetable that begins today, with a White Paper

:42:11.:42:13.

setting out the proposed powers by St Andrews Day, with draft

:42:14.:42:17.

legislation to be published by Burns night in January. Then it would be

:42:18.:42:23.

up to whoever wins next May's general election to pass a new

:42:24.:42:29.

Scotland Act. But many politicians at Westminster are not signed up to

:42:30.:42:33.

new powers and they want an answer to the West Lothian question, and

:42:34.:42:38.

perhaps a ban on Scottish MPs voting on English matters. David Cameron

:42:39.:42:41.

promised the change would come for England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

:42:42.:42:45.

Would that be enough? I suspect not for everyone. Scottish Secretary

:42:46.:42:49.

Alistair Carmichael has proposed a meeting of minds, a conference for a

:42:50.:42:53.

new Scotland within 30 days to help discuss the way forward and heal

:42:54.:42:57.

community divisions. After a pretty divisive campaign, the Church of

:42:58.:43:01.

Scotland is holding a service of reconciliation this Sunday. Leaders

:43:02.:43:05.

from both campaigns have been invited. The big question is, now

:43:06.:43:08.

they have lost the campaign, what happens to the SNP and its

:43:09.:43:13.

leadership? Will Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon remain? You said he

:43:14.:43:17.

would, but will more hardline nationalists seek a scalpel for

:43:18.:43:20.

their loss in the referendum? It might be settled by Scottish

:43:21.:43:23.

voters, but many other questions remain.

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Margaret Mitchell from the Conservatives has joined us. Look,

:43:29.:43:34.

the tragedy of Scottish conservatism is, and Gordon Wilson accepted this

:43:35.:43:40.

when we were talking about it earlier on, almost to the last man

:43:41.:43:43.

and woman, the Scottish middle classes trooped into the polling

:43:44.:43:47.

booths last night to reject nationalism. Yes, a general

:43:48.:43:53.

election, or his Scottish election, they will trooped into the same

:43:54.:43:57.

polling booths and vote for the SNP, UKIP, Labour, or anybody they

:43:58.:44:03.

can think of other than the Scottish Conservatives? Not all together

:44:04.:44:12.

true. Even the election where play has been made of as only having one

:44:13.:44:18.

MP, you look at the number of votes, 3,000 and 10,000 for the

:44:19.:44:25.

Conservative, 3365 for the Liberal Democrats. We got one MP, they got

:44:26.:44:32.

about 11. There is a sizeable and a meaningful Conservative vote. In the

:44:33.:44:36.

referendum, the traditional Conservative areas held up well. In

:44:37.:44:41.

many ways, perhaps we should have been art lating more the business

:44:42.:44:45.

argument to pay for the fairer Scotland that everyone wants to see.

:44:46.:44:50.

. Money does not grow on trees. You take my point. In many ways Scotland

:44:51.:44:58.

is a naturally Conservative Scotland with a small c but you cannot turn

:44:59.:45:06.

it in a capital C. Many of the areas that could be natural Tory

:45:07.:45:09.

territory, you have nothing? What we are looking at is a new beginning

:45:10.:45:16.

for Scotland today. It is exciting for the Scottish electorate and for

:45:17.:45:20.

the Conservatives too to work positively with other parties and we

:45:21.:45:24.

have worked well with the SNP when they were a minority government. We

:45:25.:45:30.

delivered the small business innocent viceation scheme for

:45:31.:45:33.

example. Drug rehabilitation. And Alex Salmond has been on, I think,

:45:34.:45:39.

in a measured way, saying that he is prepared to now look forward and to

:45:40.:45:42.

do what is in the best interest of Scotland. So I see today as a new

:45:43.:45:46.

dawn. But if it is a new dawn But if it

:45:47.:45:52.

really is a new dawn, I think what you may see is a reemergence of the

:45:53.:45:59.

aringment put forward by people like Margo Fraser, that the Scottish

:46:00.:46:04.

Conservative Party is damaged goods. It would be better to set up a

:46:05.:46:10.

moderate centre-right party without the baggage of the historical

:46:11.:46:13.

Conservatives and it may be able to do things that we have been talking

:46:14.:46:19.

about, in terms of making inroads where a centre-right party should

:46:20.:46:24.

be? Is there an argument for that? We should be looking at the

:46:25.:46:29.

constitutional settlement and ensuring stability within the UK,

:46:30.:46:34.

where all parts of the UK can play a significant part in determining its

:46:35.:46:38.

own future and policies. In other words, I think after the referendum

:46:39.:46:45.

the vote was decisive, no-one can be complacent about it, and rightly,

:46:46.:46:51.

the polls sent tremors and shocks through everyone when they suddenly

:46:52.:46:55.

realised that there was a real prospect of Scotland leaving and all

:46:56.:46:58.

it meant. I think that the focus will be less on party politics in

:46:59.:47:03.

the weeks and the months to come, difficult with the Westminster

:47:04.:47:07.

election but more on how to achieve the best settlement for Scotland,

:47:08.:47:11.

the rest of the UK and keep the stability which the electorate has

:47:12.:47:17.

told us that they want to maintain. Thank you very much Margaret

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Mitchell. Now to Hywel Griffiths in Cardiff.

:47:24.:47:26.

One of the interesting things that is coming out, we heard it from

:47:27.:47:31.

Carwyn Jones earlier, is the Barnet Formula. It is like a religious text

:47:32.:47:37.

in the way it is treated up here. It benefits Scotland so much. It is

:47:38.:47:41.

seen in Wales, of course, as being something that you would like to

:47:42.:47:47.

amend severely or abolish, so a bit of a contradiction going on there,

:47:48.:47:53.

isn't there? Yes. Sacrosanct in Scotland, sacrilege here. The Barnet

:47:54.:47:58.

Formula, that we have been told by the Welsh Government, must be

:47:59.:48:04.

changed. They say it is outdated. The problem for the Labour's Carwyn

:48:05.:48:08.

Jones, for other leaders here, is that the vow had the words Barnet

:48:09.:48:12.

Formula in the middle of it. The people of Scotland have taken their

:48:13.:48:16.

decision on the basis that the Barnet Formula will stay. So when

:48:17.:48:20.

asked how do you square that circle, he pointed to other pledges in the

:48:21.:48:25.

vow, saying that there would be fair and e-Equitable funding for all of

:48:26.:48:30.

the UK but it is a problem for him, when he have to give up the ghost on

:48:31.:48:36.

that one, I don't know. But it will be difficult for Wales to argue that

:48:37.:48:40.

they need more money from Barnet, when the people from Scotland have

:48:41.:48:45.

taken that decision. I got the impression from Carwyn

:48:46.:48:50.

Jones that he had listened with glee to what David Cameron was saying

:48:51.:48:53.

this morning. I got the sense that the Welsh

:48:54.:48:58.

Parliament or at least, that he thinks, that there was a huge

:48:59.:49:01.

opportunity for Wales here. That everything was wide open again? I

:49:02.:49:09.

think that would be the optimistic take on it. David Cameron when stood

:49:10.:49:13.

in Number Ten saying that Wales should be the centre of the debate,

:49:14.:49:17.

are the words that people here want to hear. But Carwyn Jones went on

:49:18.:49:23.

the attack, he said that the Prime Minister had almost sleep walked

:49:24.:49:28.

into disaster over Scotland. He had ignored calls from Carwyn Jones and

:49:29.:49:33.

others for a full convention on the UK's constitution, and demanded a

:49:34.:49:38.

place at the table. I don't think there is love lost there. When I put

:49:39.:49:43.

it to Carwyn Jones since the result been in, had he spoken to David

:49:44.:49:50.

Cameron, had he received a call? No. Were they making a call? But he did

:49:51.:49:58.

accept that it was a busy day. Now, to Berlin, to Jenny Hill.

:49:59.:50:02.

Jenny, has there been any reaction there to the vote here? Well, yes,

:50:03.:50:09.

in fact in the last few minutes, the Foreign Minister for Germany said

:50:10.:50:11.

that this was a good decision for Scotland. In the words of the

:50:12.:50:16.

government's official spokesperson here, this is the story of the day.

:50:17.:50:21.

That said, the official government response to the decision has been

:50:22.:50:26.

somewhat muted. They commented on the impressive turnout on a clear

:50:27.:50:29.

decision. Behind the scenes, though, it is a different story. Listen to

:50:30.:50:33.

the words of one politician here this morning. She said that this

:50:34.:50:37.

prevents the fragmentation of Europe. She was hugely relieved.

:50:38.:50:43.

That is what has been going on behind the scenes. Ministers were

:50:44.:50:48.

very concerned about a possible UK referendum on EU membership. Their

:50:49.:50:52.

thinking is going along the lines: Scottish voters tend to be more

:50:53.:50:56.

pro-Europe than counterparts in England, without the Scottish

:50:57.:51:00.

voters, what happens in the event of that UK referendum? So behind the

:51:01.:51:05.

scenes is great deal of relief. The referendum has very much caught the

:51:06.:51:10.

imagination, though, of the people living in Germany. The Mel Gibson

:51:11.:51:21.

film, Braveheart is popular here. Many say that the... Sorry, Jenny,

:51:22.:51:26.

we are losing the sound from you. Thank you very much.

:51:27.:51:38.

Now, we have been catching up with a Shetland face, that of Douglas

:51:39.:51:45.

Henshaw. He said he was surprised by the result.

:51:46.:51:49.

If you had asked me about it three weeks ago, I would have said no. But

:51:50.:51:54.

there appears to have been such a surge. It is very difficult.

:51:55.:51:58.

I think it depends on who you are speaking to.

:51:59.:52:03.

If you are speaking to like-minded people, it seems that the swell that

:52:04.:52:06.

you think is going on is perhaps much bigger than it was. I was not

:52:07.:52:12.

talking to farmers on the borders or whatever, I was speaking to a lot of

:52:13.:52:18.

people involved in either the arts or slightly, my friends, most of

:52:19.:52:22.

them, they are left-wing, we were all thinking that maybe, just maybe,

:52:23.:52:27.

we could have pulled it off. Was that central belt Glasgow side?

:52:28.:52:33.

Yes but even old friends in Edinburgh, in Aberdeen... So, no, I

:52:34.:52:41.

expected it to be tighter than that. Now, here is Jeremy vine with a

:52:42.:52:45.

summary of all of the night's statistics. Let's look at the margin

:52:46.:52:49.

of victory. You can see how wide the gap is. The nos on 55%. The yeses on

:52:50.:52:59.

45%. So a 10% point gap. More than the polls were telling us that there

:53:00.:53:03.

would be in the run-up to the voting. The map has been coloured.

:53:04.:53:08.

Here it is, Scotland after the historic referendum. A colour in the

:53:09.:53:13.

areas that voted mainly no are red. And you can see how many there are.

:53:14.:53:19.

In fact just four council areas that went for yes. Glasgow and

:53:20.:53:25.

surrounding and up in the north-east, Dundee in green. Coming

:53:26.:53:29.

back to the wall and the 32 councils in the battleground. Here are the

:53:30.:53:34.

results. You struggle to find the councils that voted yes. They there

:53:35.:53:38.

four of them. The yes vote did win in Glasgow. The biggest council with

:53:39.:53:43.

500,000 people in it and in North Lanarkshire, another big council.

:53:44.:53:48.

But Edinburgh, Fife, South Lanarkshire, the other big councils

:53:49.:53:52.

went no. As did many of the others. In fact, the first results in were

:53:53.:53:59.

the small councils, all going no. It was only Dundee City that said yes.

:54:00.:54:05.

Four in total, then. You see how dramatic the result is when I ice

:54:06.:54:11.

lay the yeses and the noes. Here are the only four yeses down this side.

:54:12.:54:16.

All of the rest are no. Down the wall here, they become more

:54:17.:54:22.

convincing. So the biggest margins on this side, Orkney and Shetland

:54:23.:54:29.

and Scottish Borders and Dumfries and Galloway, in Conservative areas,

:54:30.:54:33.

close to the border with England. They did not want to break up with

:54:34.:54:39.

the UK. So looking at the result, it is certainly decisive, maybe not a

:54:40.:54:44.

whitewash but a definite and a convincing win for the noes.

:54:45.:54:50.

While that was going on, we have been joined by Kenny

:54:51.:54:52.

McAfghanistanily, the Justice Minister. Let me ask you this, I am

:54:53.:54:57.

not clear, what role the Scottish Government would like to play in the

:54:58.:55:01.

measures that David Cameron outlined today? Are you going to, as it were,

:55:02.:55:08.

formally try to be a part of this process? Yes. We have said that we

:55:09.:55:16.

are happy to co-operate. But it is incumbent on David Cameron, not just

:55:17.:55:23.

him but Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg to give us the detail. Our

:55:24.:55:26.

opportunity is to work with them. It may be that we have to challenge

:55:27.:55:30.

them if they are not going far enough. But initially we have to

:55:31.:55:35.

take the spirit... Do you know if the Scottish Government has been

:55:36.:55:38.

approached in a formal sense? Not so far. Things have happened so

:55:39.:55:43.

suddenly with the vow appearing in the front pages. Gordon Brown coming

:55:44.:55:47.

into the fray. So I think that what we do is expect the words from the

:55:48.:55:50.

Prime Minister, that he is looking to engage. We make it clear we are

:55:51.:55:54.

here to support the best interests of the Scottish people. We accept

:55:55.:55:58.

the result of the referendum but it is now up to them to spell out the

:55:59.:56:03.

powers. There is a clear difference between each of the parties that

:56:04.:56:07.

support the union. Thank you very much.

:56:08.:56:12.

We will come back to you, Kenny. For those who missed it, here is a

:56:13.:56:17.

summary of the momentous us events of the last 24 hours.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. The majority of valid votes cast

:56:33.:57:18.

yesterday by the people of Scotland in response to the referendum

:57:19.:57:24.

question: Should Scotland be an independent country, were in favour

:57:25.:57:31.

of no. Today is a momentous result for

:57:32.:57:34.

Scotland and also for the United Kingdom as a whole. We have

:57:35.:57:38.

reaffirmed all that we have in common and the bonds that tie us

:57:39.:57:42.

together. Let them never be broken. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

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On behalf of the Scottish Government, I accept the result. The

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Unionist parties made vows late in the campaign to devolve more powers

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to Scotland. Scotland will expect these to be

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honoured in rapid course. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

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Well, it is midday. Let's pause for a moment and remind ourselves of

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what happened during the momentous hours of last evening. Perhaps you

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haven't seen it, perhaps even if you have seen what happened already, you

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would quite like to see it again. Here is Kevin keen. Yes, 140,178. No

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139,738. This is the moment when the referendum result was confirmed.

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140,000 voters in Fife would take the no support beyond the finish

:59:45.:59:52.

line with votes still to count. Soon afterwards, the First Minister

:59:53.:59:55.

accepted the result and praised the people of Scotland for an 86%

:59:56.:00:00.

turnout. But he had this message for his Westminster counterparts. On

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behalf of the Scottish Government, I accept the result and I pledge to

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work constructively in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the

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United Kingdom. Secondly, the Unionist parties made vows late in

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the campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect

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these to be honoured in rapid course. The Prime Minister went

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further, announcing powers being devolved to all four nations on the

:00:33.:00:35.

same timescale to that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin,

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who so successfully led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, has agreed to

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oversee the process to take forward these devolution commitments with

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powers over tax, spending and welfare, all agreed by November and

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draft legislation published by January. Just as the people of

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Scotland will have more power over their affairs, so it follows that

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the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger

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say over theirs. This had been a long night and it would be several

:01:09.:01:13.

hours before the picture would become clear. The first result came

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in at 1:30, with someone clearly keen to hear the result by phone.

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Yes, 16,350. No, 19,000... The people of Clackmannanshire voted

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no, setting the tone for the night. At the Better Together

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headquarters, the mood was buoyant. No knowledge of what was to come,

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but a confidence that lasted through the night. This Labour Party is

:01:53.:01:58.

determined to show over the coming years that we can be the vehicle for

:01:59.:02:03.

your hopes, your dreams, your aspirations, for a better life for

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you, a better life for Scotland and a better life for the whole of the

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United Kingdom. Among the first to declare wordy islands, with the

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Western Isles results initially coming in Gaelic.

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The language might have been different, but the result was the

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same, still nothing for the guest side. The face of the campaign

:02:29.:02:34.

chairman appeared to say at all. On the streets of Glasgow, the initial

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losing streak did not dampen the party atmosphere. Hundreds were in

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George Square to mark an important day in Scotland's history. The

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spirits here were nothing but high. Yes, 53,000... Dundee was the first

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to go to yes, it was decisive and made the race neck and neck. And

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then the biggest moment of the night, when yes took the lead. For a

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full five minutes, the glum faces were gone and it was high fives all

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around. The yes count stood at 50.2% of those counted. Then it would

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crumble. No, 37,153. No, 62,700. No, 70,039. I didn't want independence

:03:28.:03:40.

at any point. As a young person, I want to live in an independent

:03:41.:03:44.

Scotland when I am older, but now that opportunity is gone. I'm

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disappointed, but I think Alex Hammond was right when he said we

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should not look at how badly things have gone for the campaign but how

:03:56.:04:00.

far we have travelled. The 32 council and of almost flawlessly,

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apart from in Dundee, where a fire alarm twice forced the evacuation of

:04:03.:04:08.

the counting hall. A few brave police officers guarded the ballot

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papers until they returned. The majority of valid votes cast

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yesterday by the people of Scotland in response to the referendum

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question, should Scotland be an independent country, were in favour

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of no. The Chief Counting Officer's moment was stolen will stop by the

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tame --. By the time the declaration was made, it was all over. For some,

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it was too much. Shortly after 5am, the BBC called the referendum, with

:04:43.:04:48.

the people of Scotland rejecting independence. It is the end of

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chapter one, but the full story is yet to be written.

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Tom Greatrex has turned into Gemma Doyle, in an extraordinary

:04:57.:05:01.

development. He was able to sit here and proudly say that South

:05:02.:05:05.

Lanarkshire had voted no. Unfortunately you don't have the

:05:06.:05:08.

same ability to say about your constituency, do you? It seems to

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have voted yes. It did, indeed. The overall result was the one that I

:05:14.:05:20.

was interested in last night. Why do you think that in all of the

:05:21.:05:26.

traditional, working areas, they were the ones that voted yes? It's

:05:27.:05:31.

an interesting comparison. I think the SNP traditional areas, where

:05:32.:05:36.

they have MPS, seemed to have voted no. This is a problem for you, you

:05:37.:05:43.

have failed to convince your own traditional, working-class, Labour

:05:44.:05:52.

base of your case? There was a majority of Labour voters in my area

:05:53.:05:56.

that voted no, and I know that from the doorsteps. A lot of people were

:05:57.:06:01.

looking for change, a lot of people had been badly affected by what the

:06:02.:06:06.

current Lib Dem government is doing. These are people that said, OK,

:06:07.:06:12.

where do we get a change from? Because you have not developed a

:06:13.:06:16.

political narrative that tells him it is something other than

:06:17.:06:19.

nationalism? They opted to think it was through independence they would

:06:20.:06:23.

get that change. That's a failure of your own party, surely? I say again,

:06:24.:06:28.

the majority of people... It doesn't matter, you still have a majority

:06:29.:06:35.

who voted yes there. Our base, the majority of people that say they

:06:36.:06:40.

vote Labour in West Dunbartonshire voted no. Other people who have

:06:41.:06:43.

never voted in their lives before came to the polling station

:06:44.:06:46.

yesterday to vote and it looks as if perhaps they came to vote yes.

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People were coming to vote for something, they are looking for

:06:53.:06:58.

change. Neither Westminster or the Scottish Government are offering

:06:59.:07:01.

much change at the moment. I'm pretty clear it is the Labour Party

:07:02.:07:05.

that would make a difference to those people's lives. You heard some

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of the people that were disappointed, yes voters. You would

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accept that is it, that is the end of all of this talk about

:07:15.:07:18.

referendums for at least ten, 15, perhaps 20 years? We said it was

:07:19.:07:23.

once in a generation. We have to accept the result. I'm immensely

:07:24.:07:26.

proud of the campaign. The 1.6 million that voted, the 45%, which I

:07:27.:07:31.

think is a stunning figure, I would not have it downplayed. Your

:07:32.:07:36.

colleague from Westminster was seeking to do that. But we now have

:07:37.:07:41.

to to see what is going to be delivered. The No Campaign have won

:07:42.:07:45.

on the basis of pledging more powers. They have to be specified

:07:46.:07:49.

and they have to be delivered. We are here to support that we do have

:07:50.:07:54.

these powers spelled-out and we do have to have them delivered. Many

:07:55.:07:59.

people who would otherwise have voted yes voted no in anticipation

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of the likelihood of powers being granted. Do you think Alex Salmond

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should stay on? Absolutely. Until one? Until he chooses to leave

:08:11.:08:16.

office. Would you like to see him lead you into the next Scottish

:08:17.:08:20.

election? I would be delighted if he were to do so. Have you spoken to

:08:21.:08:25.

him and do you think it is his intention? I was at the event with

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him early in the morning. Margaret Mitchell, let me ask you what I call

:08:34.:08:37.

the George Soros question. Let's say David Cameron gets his way and there

:08:38.:08:42.

is a referendum on the European Union and Britain votes to leave the

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European Union, but Scotland votes to state, is there a strong case for

:08:49.:08:52.

saying we should have another referendum because Scotland will

:08:53.:08:55.

have decided on a different course than Britain? I think in the first

:08:56.:09:00.

place, Scotland will be pleased to have a say in the referendum in

:09:01.:09:05.

Europe. There is no doubt that there are changes very badly needed there.

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If you look at the case where every month, 766 MEPs go to Strasbourg, at

:09:11.:09:20.

huge cost, these things have to be reformed. But there is no appetite.

:09:21.:09:25.

It has been a decisive decision. Even if we vote to stay in the

:09:26.:09:30.

European Union and Britain votes to go, there should not be a

:09:31.:09:34.

referendum? I cannot see that Scotland will be so very different,

:09:35.:09:38.

even if you look at the European elections where we were confidently

:09:39.:09:42.

told that UKIP would not ever have a seat in Scotland because Scotland is

:09:43.:09:45.

so different from the rest of the United Kingdom. That clearly didn't

:09:46.:09:49.

take place. I think Scottish people would want their say and want reform

:09:50.:09:57.

as the rest of the Isaac and do. -- United Kingdom do. Andrew has spent

:09:58.:10:02.

the morning in his bubble, hunting for politicians in Edinburgh. Have

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you found one or have you found somebody that makes whiskey? It is a

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politics free zone right now, unusually. I have found some

:10:12.:10:16.

industry reaction. It is the 3rd biggest industry in Scotland. I am

:10:17.:10:24.

going to speak to David Frost from the Scottish Whisky Association.

:10:25.:10:30.

Everybody's reaction to this event, how is the industry reacting? We

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always said there were risks in independence. That is the position

:10:37.:10:40.

we have taken through the campaign. We are glad those risks are not

:10:41.:10:43.

going to crystallise and we archive that there is a clear result,

:10:44.:10:47.

stability going forward. Because you are an industry that likes long-term

:10:48.:10:50.

stability, you are putting stuff in casks that you are going to see in

:10:51.:10:54.

another 18 years, but with another referendum you did not know what was

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happening in three days? We do still, it goes into the cask, it

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comes out 18 years later. -- he still dashed still. Not knowing what

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the currency might be is a big element of instability. We are glad

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that debate is closed. You mentioned currency, in terms of instability,

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was that your main concern? What other issues did you have? The main

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concern was around support for exports. We depend massively on

:11:28.:11:29.

support of the British government around the world. We are highly

:11:30.:11:37.

regulated, government set the rules around the world, we need the

:11:38.:11:40.

support of our own government to deal with those trade barriers and

:11:41.:11:44.

encourage exports. Being part of a big country with a big, successful

:11:45.:11:48.

diplomatic service is really important to this industry. It's

:11:49.:11:51.

interesting you talk about being part of the big country, we were

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talking earlier about accusations of how the Prime Minister had

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orchestrated a response from business to come out against the Yes

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Campaign. Was your industry involved in that? Were you ever approached?

:12:05.:12:08.

We have conversations with everybody in this campaign on both sides of

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the debate all the time, since the beginning. We are not orchestrated

:12:13.:12:16.

by anybody. We have not been discouraged from speaking by

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anybody. We have had a very clear view as an industry, and we felt

:12:21.:12:26.

happy exposing that throughout. We have the promise of more powers for

:12:27.:12:29.

Holyrood, perhaps this is more uncertainty once again. How are you

:12:30.:12:34.

going to deal with this issue? There is going to be a big debate about

:12:35.:12:39.

devolution going forward. We are very keen and ready to be part of

:12:40.:12:43.

the debate. We want two things from it. One is arrangements that support

:12:44.:12:52.

the Scotch whiskey industry, that help us export and provide skills

:12:53.:12:55.

that we need. Second, arrangements that support the is in this climate

:12:56.:13:00.

more broadly in Scotland. One of the things you can see as a result of

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the referendum is that there are many people to whom the prosperity

:13:03.:13:07.

of this country has not yet fully spread. I think business,

:13:08.:13:12.

politicians, everybody needs to work together to make sure over the next

:13:13.:13:18.

few years that it reaches everybody. You highlighted some of your

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concerns about independence. Do you feel the referendum was a

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constructive process? That's so many views were out there, they were

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aired and discussed? I thought it was pretty inspiring to hear people

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from all backgrounds, all parts of Scotland talking about issues that

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are often thought to be too complicated. Currency unions,

:13:39.:13:42.

whatever, difficult stuff about economic 's. It's great you can have

:13:43.:13:45.

that kind of debate. We absolutely welcome it. The more people out

:13:46.:13:51.

there who understand business, understand the economic climate, can

:13:52.:13:58.

only be good for us as an industry. I suppose some people will be

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raising a wee dram to celebrate or maybe commiserate tonight. Maybe

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even now if they pass the yard, I am not sure. People have been up a long

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time. You have been up too long, Andrew,

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it is just mid-day! Tim is here with us.

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Now we know that Scotland voted to reject the idea of independence. The

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figures on the right-hand side, 55% voted no, 45% voted yes. But an idea

:14:31.:14:36.

of how Scotland voted on this map of Scotland. These places and Dundee

:14:37.:14:39.

here which voted yes to independence. If we look at the

:14:40.:14:45.

constituencies, Dundee, clearly it was the big yes to independence.

:14:46.:14:52.

The figure there is showing 57% voted for yes and had 3% no. 79

:14:53.:15:00.

period turnout, slightly lower than areas but a bigger number of people

:15:01.:15:05.

voting for independence in Dundee. It was called the SNP City, so no

:15:06.:15:10.

surprise. Clackmannanshire on the other hand, was one that the yes

:15:11.:15:14.

side needed to win to get a yes vote.

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I will try that again... Clackmannanshire... Sorry, the board

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is not working. We will try one more time. There we go. Clackmannanshire

:15:25.:15:32.

was expected to go for yes but 46/54, mirroring the polls that

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showed that the no side were going to win. Going back to Moray it is

:15:36.:15:41.

represented obviously by Angus Robertson, the SNP leader at

:15:42.:15:46.

Westminster. You would have expected, sorry, I think that the

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touch screen is tired, it has been working all night. 58% said no, 42%

:15:53.:16:04.

yes. Glasgow, had a slightly lower turn out than perhaps ex-peckeded,

:16:05.:16:07.

though more than at the general election of the last Scottish

:16:08.:16:11.

elections, 75% of the electorate turned out to vote. 53% said yes,

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47% said no. So looking in proportion at the quiz themselves...

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-- constituencies themselves, the big areas, Glasgow, Edinburgh, South

:16:31.:16:34.

Lanarkshire, Fife, the biggest ones, two of those voted for independence.

:16:35.:16:38.

Perhaps that is why it did not happen. The smallest ones in the

:16:39.:16:47.

other end of the board there voted against independence by a large

:16:48.:16:51.

majority. Finally, a look at the map again, you can see that 55/45

:16:52.:16:59.

figure. You can see by how much the "yes" side were short. 191 compel

:17:00.:17:11.

969, which is why the no side won. A record turn out for Scotland, 85%.

:17:12.:17:15.

That gives something for the politicians to hope for in the next

:17:16.:17:22.

election in eight months' time. Cameron Buttal is in in St Jon's

:17:23.:17:29.

Square in Glasgow. What do you have there? Can you hear

:17:30.:17:35.

me? Yes. I have been out and about in Glasgow

:17:36.:17:41.

since the early hours. I have to say to begin with, there was not much of

:17:42.:17:46.

a sense that this was the momentous day that we have been talking about,

:17:47.:17:51.

there is lots of media here from all over the world but what has happened

:17:52.:17:55.

recently is that the crowds are starting to gather. People turning

:17:56.:18:01.

up, talking, this is not a Yes Campaign rally by any means. People

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are talking, there are a couple of signs saying Redtories -- Red

:18:13.:18:17.

Tories. George Square has been a vocal point

:18:18.:18:23.

for the campaign. There is yes chalked into the

:18:24.:18:27.

pavement there. They have been disappointed by the turnout here. I

:18:28.:18:31.

have been speaking to a couple of people. One man walking around with

:18:32.:18:36.

a Labour rosette on his chest. He was saying he has been getting

:18:37.:18:41.

negative reaction today. Some guys with yes badges on, puffing out

:18:42.:18:46.

their chests. A bit of anger there and disappointment. Jim Murphy, I

:18:47.:18:53.

shouted to him, how was he doing. He said he was happy. But the crowd is

:18:54.:19:00.

good-natured, occasionally a bit of jeering and niggling but on the

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whole good reactions so far in George Square.

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Margaret Mitchell, you were talking earlier on about a new dawn, we are

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going to have a different sort of politics in Scotland, aren't we? For

:19:15.:19:19.

the first time in as long as I can remember, it will not be possibly to

:19:20.:19:24.

have a politics based on one side with X and the other side saying no,

:19:25.:19:27.

we would be better off with independence? Absolutely. The

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positive is that we will be concentrating on the issues that

:19:32.:19:35.

matter for so long. The debate has been all about the constitution. I

:19:36.:19:39.

think that today it is a new dawn moving forward. Everyone is wanting

:19:40.:19:43.

what is best in Scotland. I hope that will be reflected in the

:19:44.:19:47.

Parliament. I know that SNP have worked hard. We have colleagues

:19:48.:19:50.

there. They could not have done anymore. Equally we worked really

:19:51.:19:57.

hard. That sense will prevail. Often Holyrood gets the mood right in the

:19:58.:20:02.

chamber. That will happen next week. This is a challenge for the Scottish

:20:03.:20:07.

National Party, if it is to have a point to its existence from now on.

:20:08.:20:11.

You cannot bang on about independence, when it has been

:20:12.:20:18.

rejacked, what do you do? Do you become a UK federalist type of

:20:19.:20:24.

party? With all respect, Gordon, 45% of the population have voted for it.

:20:25.:20:29.

1. 6 million people. I accept the result of the referendum. I accept

:20:30.:20:35.

that a no vote has the majority. In accord with the Edinburgh Agreement,

:20:36.:20:39.

I will abide by that. I now think that yes, we have to recognise that.

:20:40.:20:44.

But it is now, as I say, over to the Westminster parties to deliver the

:20:45.:20:47.

increased devolution that they said would be coming. This was a promise

:20:48.:20:53.

and a pledge. A vow, I think, on the front page of the Daily Record. They

:20:54.:20:57.

have to spell it out, they have to deliver it.

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OK. We will go now to David Porter. At a

:21:06.:21:14.

more seenic location. We have come to this part of London,

:21:15.:21:21.

Westminster, the story that impacts on Westminster, the more gazebos,

:21:22.:21:25.

the platforms on College Green that you see outside of the, I can tell

:21:26.:21:31.

you, there many. There is a huge amount of interest in this story.

:21:32.:21:35.

Not from the domestic media but the international media as well. That is

:21:36.:21:39.

because people realise that what has happened in Scotland, it was a

:21:40.:21:45.

momentous night in Scotland, not as much so as some would have wanted

:21:46.:21:50.

but nothing will be the same again. There will be constitutional change

:21:51.:21:54.

in Scotland. It looks a though, if what we are hearing is to be

:21:55.:21:59.

correct, that there will be change in the constitution, and there is

:22:00.:22:02.

the demand for it in other parts of the United Kingdom. But that is not

:22:03.:22:07.

to say that there are not voices coming out questioning the decisions

:22:08.:22:11.

of David Cameron, to make an offer of more powers to the Scottish

:22:12.:22:15.

Parliament, during the referendum campaign and now a growing number of

:22:16.:22:19.

Conservative MPs saying it is fine that Scotland will get more powers

:22:20.:22:23.

but what is England to get in response? I have had a quick word

:22:24.:22:30.

with the chairman of the Tory 1922 shop's committee. I had a word with

:22:31.:22:35.

Graham Brady. He said he had spoken to the Prime Minister. He said that

:22:36.:22:39.

he thought that the Prime Minister judged the speech in Downing Street

:22:40.:22:43.

about right. There was not much anger that Scotland would get more

:22:44.:22:48.

powers, what he said was that he and English colleagues wanted to make

:22:49.:22:53.

sure in his words that "England got a fair deal as well."

:22:54.:22:57.

David, thank you very much. And now Stephen is at Aberdeen

:22:58.:23:05.

Harbour. Aberdeenshire voted no. Aberdeen

:23:06.:23:13.

Harboures is busy as ever. It would have continued to be busy. Northern

:23:14.:23:19.

gas companies continuing to pump out gas from Scotland whatever the

:23:20.:23:24.

result. The reactions from the companies that represent the area,

:23:25.:23:29.

oil and gas saying that it looks forward to working with the Scottish

:23:30.:23:34.

and UK governments and the Wood report, that is about getting the

:23:35.:23:37.

gas out of the sea, that is sticking to the claim that is controversial

:23:38.:23:41.

during the referendum campaign, that there could be as much as 12 to 24

:23:42.:23:46.

billion barrels of oil left in the North Sea. Aberdeen and Grampian

:23:47.:23:51.

Chamber of Commerce are again happy that the uncertainty is over. It was

:23:52.:23:55.

talking about projects being put on hold. About people putting house

:23:56.:24:00.

moves on hold. It is also looking forward to the Wood Report.

:24:01.:24:05.

Aberdeen, we know from earlier analysis, parts of it, the

:24:06.:24:10.

middle-class, voted no. Perhaps people in the oil and gas industry

:24:11.:24:15.

looking to their future. Now, how has result of the

:24:16.:24:20.

referendum been seen in Brussels? I spoke to Chris Morris earlier. I

:24:21.:24:26.

asked him if there had been immediate response in Brussels.

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There has. If you want to use a word it is probably "relief" they would

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not put it that way themselves. But we have had statements from the

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European Commission and thing is of NATO, welcoming the fact that

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Scotland has decided to stay with the United Kingdom. Brass Barroso --

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Jose Manuel Durao Barroso saying that the no vote is good for a

:24:52.:24:55.

united, open and stronger Europe. And in particular taking note of the

:24:56.:24:59.

fact that the Scottish Government argued for a pro-European

:25:00.:25:03.

perspective throughout the campaign. The statement went out of its way to

:25:04.:25:09.

say that they would continue to work with the Scottish Government closely

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on the issues that it is concerned with. Environment, climate change,

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smarter regulation. So a bit of a sigh of relief overall.

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The independence of Scotland, thes eggs of part of an existing member

:25:24.:25:29.

state would have raised a whole host of questions that many people here

:25:30.:25:33.

in not just Brussels but others in the European capitals did not want

:25:34.:25:37.

to address. And a double significancy, it is

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partly where the European Union institutions are based but Belgium

:25:43.:25:48.

itself, they have tendency towards splitting up. I wonder if there has

:25:49.:25:53.

been reaction from Belgium politicians as opposed to EU ones?

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Well, last night Flemish separatists were demonstrating in favour of a

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yes in Brussels as the counting began.

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They will certainly be disappointed. But the one reaction that I have

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seen from a Flemish separatist party was along the lines from what I have

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seen from the Catalan government in Spain. Simply the fact of holding

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the referendum is for them significant. The fact that there can

:26:22.:26:26.

be a constitutional route. A peaceful constitutional route to

:26:27.:26:30.

decide these questions. Obviously governments tend to prefer the

:26:31.:26:34.

status quo, I think what happened last night, while there may be those

:26:35.:26:37.

across Europe who would have liked to have seen a yes, the fact that

:26:38.:26:42.

the process took place has given some people who do favour a

:26:43.:26:47.

different form of government in other European countries a

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considerable degree of hope, I think.

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That was Chris Morris. Now, for the first time, 16 and

:26:55.:27:04.

17-year-olds were able to vote. Kristina renton spoke to two school

:27:05.:27:08.

boys in Glasgow. How do you feel about the result? I voted yes, so I

:27:09.:27:17.

am obviously a little disappointed. Why did you want a yes vote? The

:27:18.:27:23.

fact that Scotland is constantly governed bytories when it does not

:27:24.:27:29.

vote for it a lot of the time it is not democratic. With independence

:27:30.:27:31.

you get the government you vote for every time.

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What about doing it at school? How did it feel? Did you feel you got

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the information that you needed, that you felt you were old enough to

:27:42.:27:46.

be able to make such an important decision? Definitely old enough. 16,

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you are old enough to move out, get a job, get married. This decision

:27:52.:27:56.

affects us as much as everyone in Scotland.

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Simon, what did you think of the result today? I voted no. So I am

:28:00.:28:02.

happy. But I think that the main thing is

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that 86% voted. So for the home nation it

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encapsulated politics. Do you think it engaged you in a way

:28:12.:28:15.

that maybe would no have happened otherwise if this had not been

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happening while at the age that you are at and have the opportunities?

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Definitely. What did it feel like to vote for

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the first time? It was a bit weird as I had not done it before.

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Did you feel powerful? In a way, a wee bit.

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Every vote counts, so... What comes out of this for everybody is a that

:28:39.:28:43.

this is something you have done for your age group. Is it something that

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you will do again? Definitely. Definitely. Matthew, will it make

:28:47.:28:51.

you interested in voting in the future. There is a general election

:28:52.:28:56.

coming up, the Scottish elections, who knows what else? What do you

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think? When I am 18, I will vote in the election. I have an interest in

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it. If you have the right to vote, you are daft not to. If it affects

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your future, take advantage of it. At school, there was a referendum do

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you have the result? We find that out next week!

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It has truly been a national conversation. In the last few years,

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the result has been fierce and passionate. The result will mean

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that a significant number are disappointed. We are best friends.

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Really? It has always been rigorous, rarely rancorous. But

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there have been some moments. You are redcoats! With your 30 pieces of

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silver! OK, I'll give you 30 pieces of silver to shut up! Traitor! John

:30:07.:30:13.

Prescott was courting labour voters for the No Campaign. Such

:30:14.:30:20.

high-profile visitors have attracted counter demonstrations from the

:30:21.:30:25.

opposite side. But with so many people are prepared to come out onto

:30:26.:30:29.

the streets to show their support for each camp, will it be possible

:30:30.:30:32.

for the country to come together again now the result is known? One

:30:33.:30:37.

big name in the campaign, Margo MacDonald, has not been able to take

:30:38.:30:42.

part personally. But her message has been taken around the country by her

:30:43.:30:47.

widower, who told a memorial service after her death of her hopes after

:30:48.:30:53.

the result. At one minute past ten, whatever the result, she wanted

:30:54.:30:56.

those divisions to end and this nation to seek a unity of purpose.

:30:57.:31:08.

If Margo could debate without conceding one iota of principle, but

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do so without venom, so can we all. If she could respect the right of

:31:15.:31:18.

the other side to their opinions, so can we all. That is what happened in

:31:19.:31:25.

Quebec in 1995. The no side prevailed with a tiny margin, 50.6%,

:31:26.:31:32.

dust 50,000 votes from an electorate only slightly larger than

:31:33.:31:35.

Scotland's today. Observers say, despite that, Canada was not written

:31:36.:31:40.

asunder, notwithstanding the divisions there was subsequent

:31:41.:31:45.

consensus that the referendum had been a vitally important matter.

:31:46.:31:48.

There was recognition that it had been a very bruising experience for

:31:49.:31:55.

the electorate in Quebec. It was a close result, but it was also a

:31:56.:32:00.

result that really mattered. It was not a close result won an issue that

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was not important to people. One of the key battle grounds of the

:32:06.:32:07.

referendum campaign has been business and commerce. Business

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leaders insist it is uncertainty they are against. Now we know the

:32:11.:32:21.

outcome, the Minister for industry says that Scotland remains open for

:32:22.:32:27.

business. The sooner that the Scottish Government can provide real

:32:28.:32:30.

inside, the sooner business will be reassured, will be able to pass on

:32:31.:32:34.

that reassurance to the workforce, to their investors and, most

:32:35.:32:42.

importantly, to the customers, to demonstrate that Scotland remains a

:32:43.:32:45.

good place to do business. The Church of Scotland is holding a

:32:46.:32:49.

reconciliation service at Saint Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh on

:32:50.:32:54.

Sunday. The moderator believes the recent national conversation will

:32:55.:32:57.

leave Scots society stronger. The remarkable thing about this campaign

:32:58.:33:02.

has been that so many people have been involved. Not in my lifetime

:33:03.:33:07.

has there been any issue over which the civic voice of Scotland has been

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heard so clearly. When you have a process which generates that much

:33:14.:33:16.

involvement and that much interest, that must be good. What we need

:33:17.:33:24.

after the referendum is the same amount of civic involvement, all on

:33:25.:33:32.

the same side. With a heavy turnout, it is inevitable many people will be

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disappointed today. How that is managed holds the key to the future

:33:38.:33:38.

for all of Scotland. Can I return with you three to the

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16, 17 and 18-year-olds that we saw in that conversation earlier on?

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Think I am right in saying that Labour's policy is now that and

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17-year-olds should be given a vote in all elections? That is right. I

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presume, having done it with the referendum, your policy would be

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that the practice should be spread? We have managed to deliver it, they

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have taken to it as a duck to water, and we should welcome their

:34:22.:34:25.

engagement. They are part of this fantastic turnout. I think 16 and

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17-year-olds rose to the challenge, if you can call it that, they did it

:34:30.:34:33.

with pride and we should take pride in them. Margaret Mitchell, you

:34:34.:34:36.

cannot speak for the Coalition Government because you are not a

:34:37.:34:41.

Liberal Democrat, but what the Conservative position? We did not

:34:42.:34:47.

vote for 16 and 17-year-olds having the vote. I think the policy in

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Scotland is very confused. It wasn't long ago that the SNP were proposing

:34:53.:34:55.

that young people had to be 21 before they could even purchase

:34:56.:35:01.

alcohol. There is so much legislation... You're not in favour?

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I think it needs radically looked at, this point in time, for the

:35:06.:35:10.

referendum we were not. I think it was probably introduced in the first

:35:11.:35:17.

place because Alex Salmond knows that page with would be

:35:18.:35:22.

predominantly in favour. Hasn't the way that youngsters got involved in

:35:23.:35:25.

this debate done anything to change your mind? Absolutely, it needs to

:35:26.:35:30.

be looked at again and a consistent policy adopted for every election

:35:31.:35:36.

and for every single issue an statute where we are looking at the

:35:37.:35:41.

rights of young people. Reconciliation, Kenny MacAskill. We

:35:42.:35:47.

have be looked in a hot studio four hours, I don't know what is going on

:35:48.:35:51.

outside. One gets the impression from what Cameron was seeing at

:35:52.:35:54.

George Square that it has been a bit overblown, everything is fine?

:35:55.:36:00.

Absolutely, that is why we saw a briefing being put out by the

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President of the Scottish Federation. All of this has been

:36:07.:36:10.

achieved without the loss of one life, without the explosion of one

:36:11.:36:14.

bomb, the firing of one dollar to. There has been some passionate

:36:15.:36:19.

discord, some disharmony. We have shown that democratic decisions can

:36:20.:36:25.

be done democratically and peacefully and Scotland can and

:36:26.:36:28.

should walk tall. What do you make of this? I was struck yesterday when

:36:29.:36:36.

I went to vote, just being about the place, it all seemed quite

:36:37.:36:40.

extraordinarily good-natured. I am not sure that has been the case

:36:41.:36:45.

everywhere. Maybe not in the campaign, but I meant yesterday,

:36:46.:36:49.

during voting? One of my volunteers was punched in the face. One of my

:36:50.:36:56.

polling stations was covered in threatening refugee as well. But

:36:57.:37:03.

that was a great opportunity for whoever... Is this the James Dunne

:37:04.:37:07.

one? A great opportunity for a painter and decorator. He came and

:37:08.:37:12.

blanket out again. I think it was about ten o'clock in the morning

:37:13.:37:15.

before anybody came to do it. It has been an energetic campaign, but has

:37:16.:37:20.

been quite divisive. At times we have seen too much aggression.

:37:21.:37:25.

Particular journalists being targeted for asking the First

:37:26.:37:29.

Minister questions, that has been, in my opinion, disgraceful. What we

:37:30.:37:34.

need now is reconciliation not, as some people were threatening, a day

:37:35.:37:37.

of reckoning for people that were not going to vote yes. OK, be fair,

:37:38.:37:46.

Alex Salmond distanced himself from the day of reckoning, Jim Sillars

:37:47.:37:52.

did as well. I have to say, it is true to say, you get some daft folk

:37:53.:38:05.

in any campaign. In my area, my entire town is vandalised with Yes

:38:06.:38:11.

stuff that has been stuck everywhere. Our posters were

:38:12.:38:15.

spray-painted, somebody going along with a set of stepladders

:38:16.:38:20.

spray-painting over every one of our posters, in Yes T-shirts. Some of

:38:21.:38:30.

this could have been stopped. We should have heard a strong message

:38:31.:38:33.

from the Yes Campaign. What do you think will happen now, in the area?

:38:34.:38:41.

Will you be able to come together and agree to disagree on the

:38:42.:38:44.

behaviour during the campaign, let's get on with it? Is that possible?

:38:45.:38:52.

Part of it comes back to what we were talking about before, the SNP

:38:53.:38:56.

have to decide if they are going to work with the Scottish parties on

:38:57.:39:03.

the further devolution proposals. We have got to recognise that we have

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seen one of the BBC correspondent in George Square, saying Jim Murphy

:39:08.:39:11.

walked through, he was not attacked, he was not leafleted. We have come

:39:12.:39:22.

through with this significant decision. I regret we did not win,

:39:23.:39:28.

but I am proud of what Scotland has achieved. I think we will come

:39:29.:39:33.

together, we know there has been division within families, but I

:39:34.:39:36.

think when Jim Sellers spoke, what he spoke of in terms of the

:39:37.:39:43.

arrangements for Margo MacDonald's funeral, that is the view of the

:39:44.:39:47.

majority of people in Scotland. We are one Scotland, we have to go

:39:48.:39:50.

forward, we had to have the plan spelt out by the parties in

:39:51.:39:54.

Westminster. We believe it should be delivered as speedily as possible.

:39:55.:39:59.

Give us the detail and we will happily work with it. I cannot work

:40:00.:40:03.

with what I do not know and do not have. But I can give you this

:40:04.:40:07.

commitment that we are happy to put our shoulder to the wheel and what

:40:08.:40:11.

we want is the detail and we want the delivery. I welcome the fact

:40:12.:40:14.

that we seem to be bringing forward the debate, although we have to bear

:40:15.:40:17.

in mind it is only a draft bill that is being talked about later in the

:40:18.:40:22.

year by the Prime Minister. That is progress. What they expect us to see

:40:23.:40:33.

the delivery of what they were given and committed to, and then they will

:40:34.:40:37.

be delighted to support it and try to implement it. But we have got to

:40:38.:40:41.

see the detail and it has to live up to what was committed as significant

:40:42.:40:49.

powers. You have gone very quiet? On your original bastion, everybody was

:40:50.:40:53.

delighted on the size of the turnout. That was very decisive,

:40:54.:40:59.

people saying we will accept the will of the Scottish people, no

:41:00.:41:03.

matter what it is. Even if it was one vote, because so many people

:41:04.:41:07.

came out to vote. You think people will be able to reconcile? We would

:41:08.:41:11.

like to hear a little less of we want to sit the detail. Shoulder to

:41:12.:41:16.

the wheel means we have an active part to play, Kenny, too. Business

:41:17.:41:22.

came out, when they saw that 51% of vote, there is no sentiment in

:41:23.:41:26.

business, they have to be listened to, they have to be brought into the

:41:27.:41:30.

equation. I hope that we can talk in a meaningful way to move forward,

:41:31.:41:36.

for the constitutional arrangement, where everybody is going to get the

:41:37.:41:40.

best for every part of the United Kingdom. That might not mean exactly

:41:41.:41:44.

what we proposed here. It could be going further into things. It means

:41:45.:41:52.

what we proposed is on the statute, absolutely, but going further to

:41:53.:41:56.

look at a more federal system, UK wide. That means active

:41:57.:42:03.

participation of the SNP. Did I just hear a Conservative saying federal

:42:04.:42:08.

system, UK wide? This really is a new Dawn! Isn't it effectively what

:42:09.:42:13.

we are looking at it more powers are granted and given to the rest of the

:42:14.:42:18.

United Kingdom? There is an appetite for that in the rest of England.

:42:19.:42:23.

Now, it is a thought that has crossed most people's mind, what

:42:24.:42:27.

does the First Minister do now? Kenny MacAskill says stay on for

:42:28.:42:32.

ever. Last night was a culmination of a lifetime's career. Let's look

:42:33.:42:36.

back at his political career so far. This young lad from Linlithgow

:42:37.:42:40.

became a young man with a plan. Alexander Elliott Salmond signed up

:42:41.:42:49.

to the Scottish National Party at university. A student with a keen

:42:50.:42:53.

sense of Scottish history, he became a man with a key role in Scotland's

:42:54.:42:58.

modern story. A rising star, he ended up being expelled for being

:42:59.:43:03.

part of the 79 group, a left-wing faction. It didn't take long to

:43:04.:43:13.

bounce back. Alex Salmond was on his way to Westminster. In 1998, Nigel

:43:14.:43:21.

Lawson's budget was interrupted. I beg to move that Mr Salmond be

:43:22.:43:24.

suspended from the service of the house. It paved the way for a

:43:25.:43:29.

successful leadership bid in 1990, beating Margaret Ewing. Years of

:43:30.:43:33.

managing the party through opposition then followed. Scottish

:43:34.:43:39.

politics came to the fore at Westminster with the 1997 evolution

:43:40.:43:47.

referendum. Political rivals join science for Yes Yes. A good result

:43:48.:43:55.

for Alex Salmond. Something is changing in Scotland. Later, he led

:43:56.:44:00.

the SNP into the first Scottish Parliament elections. The voters

:44:01.:44:06.

didn't buy a penny for Scotland, disappointment for the SNP. After a

:44:07.:44:10.

lacklustre time, the leader stepped down in 2000. I will hugely missed

:44:11.:44:16.

the job. I can't begin to explain how much I enjoy this aspect, how

:44:17.:44:21.

much I enjoy politics. It was not for long. The men in grey kilts, a

:44:22.:44:27.

popular phrase at the time, came to take John Swinney away. In an

:44:28.:44:31.

Aberdeen hotel in July 2004, Alex Salmond announced he was standing

:44:32.:44:40.

again. Today I am launching my candidacy to be the First Minister

:44:41.:44:42.

of Scotland. There could be a chance in 2007, and

:44:43.:44:50.

Alex Salmond was back in the game. Alex Salmond, MP, 75. 76% of the

:44:51.:44:58.

vote... There was a chance. Fast forward to May, 2007, and a win by

:44:59.:45:04.

one seat. Alex Salmond addressed the delighted party faithful.

:45:05.:45:11.

I heard a rumour... I think we won the election! The trials and the

:45:12.:45:16.

tribulations of being in power then followed. The release of the

:45:17.:45:19.

Lockerbie bomber caused international outrage. On the

:45:20.:45:26.

domestic front, the national conversation sowed the seeds of the

:45:27.:45:29.

future referendum. Scotland liked what it saw in the main. It gave the

:45:30.:45:34.

SNP another chance in 2011. A stunning success. The crowning glory

:45:35.:45:39.

at the time for the master strategists.

:45:40.:45:43.

This is not just a victory for a single political party, I believe it

:45:44.:45:46.

is a victory for a society of people and a nation.

:45:47.:45:51.

A majority government meant a referendum. Then agreement in autumn

:45:52.:45:57.

2012, sealed the deal. London and Edinburgh, would abide by the

:45:58.:46:00.

results. The substantial gain that Scotland

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has is an agreed process to hold the referendum.

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I'm honoured to announce that on Thursday, the 18th of September,

:46:09.:46:13.

2014, we will hold Scotland's referendum. A historic day when the

:46:14.:46:17.

people will decide Scotland's future. A dream come true, or too

:46:18.:46:22.

much too soon? Now with the authority of the Scottish Government

:46:23.:46:25.

behind him. He campaigned hard for independence.

:46:26.:46:29.

This referendum is about the future of Scotland and the future of

:46:30.:46:32.

Scotland should be in the hands of the people of Scotland.

:46:33.:46:39.

The preverbial Marmite politician, love him or loath him, or respect

:46:40.:46:43.

his achievements. Little did that young man with a plan, know that he

:46:44.:46:48.

would set a date of destiny for the people of Scotland.

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Now, earlier, our reporter Jane Louis spoke to shoppers in Glasgow.

:46:56.:46:59.

They were waiting to buy new mobile phones but spoke to her about the

:47:00.:47:03.

referendum. The momentous overnight, as Scotland

:47:04.:47:07.

was put to the vote of no coming out top. If you thought that these guys

:47:08.:47:10.

were interested in that, not a bit of it. They want to get their hands

:47:11.:47:17.

on the new iPhone 6. Some of them have been queuing since Thursday

:47:18.:47:21.

lunch time. Let's grab a word with a couple of the guys desperate to get

:47:22.:47:25.

their hands on the new gadget. Tell us where you are from, sir? I am

:47:26.:47:34.

from Bridge of Allen in Stirling. There was an important event

:47:35.:47:38.

overnight in Scotland. What do you feel about the outcome of the no

:47:39.:47:43.

vote for Scotland? I am pleased. I am a no voter. At the end of the day

:47:44.:47:48.

half of the cruor does not have their own way but I hope that we can

:47:49.:47:52.

get back together and get on with life.

:47:53.:47:56.

Do you envisage change? Hopefully a little bit. But I am happy with the

:47:57.:48:00.

way that things are. We will see in the future.

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Let me have a word with you, sir. Queuing to get your hands on the new

:48:05.:48:10.

iPhone but keeping an eye on what has been happening? Absolutely. I

:48:11.:48:13.

have been watching the events on the BBC. Now I am here for my new

:48:14.:48:17.

product. Did you vote before you came? I did,

:48:18.:48:20.

absolutely. What about you and the outcome, what

:48:21.:48:26.

is your feeling on that? I see it as a Vic for democracy. I think that

:48:27.:48:30.

the record turnout it shows that Scottish people are passionate about

:48:31.:48:35.

how they feel. I don't think that they can ignore that the voting is

:48:36.:48:38.

pretty slim. I have to ask you in terms of the

:48:39.:48:43.

future, do you think that the Westminster Government will give

:48:44.:48:47.

Scotland what they want, more powers for example? I absolutely do think

:48:48.:48:50.

that. I don't think that they can ignore

:48:51.:48:55.

1. 1.5 million who came out asking for independence. And I really

:48:56.:48:59.

believe that we will get the powers that we need.

:49:00.:49:02.

People will want to know away from the referendum, why are you queuing

:49:03.:49:07.

to get your hands on an iPhone 6, you can get it tomorrow? It is a

:49:08.:49:11.

must-have product it is quality. Absolutely, I have to be here to

:49:12.:49:15.

collect it today. And what about yourself, tomorrow

:49:16.:49:19.

could not come soon enough? I promised my wife if the vote went

:49:20.:49:24.

the right way, I would get her a new iPhone. So here I am! I would have

:49:25.:49:31.

been in a grump if it had not gone my way. As we pointed out earlier,

:49:32.:49:41.

other brands of mobile phone are available! Earlier, our economic

:49:42.:49:50.

correspondent spoke to the SNP donor and businessman, Brian Souter to

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find out his reaction. My initial reaction is one of

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disappointment. I am a protagonist of independence. But as a

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reflection, I really feel we have achieved a great deal. There is a

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guarantee that the Barnet Formula will be continued. That is very

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important for funding healthcare and education in Scotland.

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There was talk of that being abandoned. There is a promise of

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powers. We will hold the unionist parties to that promise. Also, we

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have had an amazing flowering of democracy. This acted as a catalyst.

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We have had people engaging and voting that have not voted in 30 or

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40 years. It is just an amazing result, the turn out. I feel that

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the whole of the UK will benefit from that. Nothing will be the same

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again. And Brian, you personally in the

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last couple of months, gave the SNP ?1 million to the campaign. Was it

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money well spent? I think it was. The Yes Campaign ran an amazing

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campaign. It was very positive. You know, when we started the process,

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we were pulling 30% for independence. We have just pulled

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45%. An amazing achievement. But the key issue is that there is another

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400,000 people on to the voting register. Most of these people were

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disenfranchised. A lot of them you would describe as urban poor. That

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is where the yes vote really lay. If these people are reengaged with

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politics and we keep them voting, then I think that is a price well

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worth paying. Let's talk to Tim Reid for a moment.

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Tim, we are almost at the end of the programme. Let's throw forward. We

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have gone from last night, possibly with the UK at the end of its days

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to a Conservative MSP telling us there will be a federal Britain.

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Things are moving fast? Yes and clearly the result means that the

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rest of the UK are clamouring for the same deal that Scotland will

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get. So it will be questions for Labour about how they are going to

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deal with that question. And Frank Field says that he thinks that they

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have to be ahead of the curve. David Cameron to face questions about

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offering Scotland so much, so many powers as a result of this and the

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Lib Demes clearly have their conference season here, the SNP

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questioning the conference about their strategy.

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Thanks to Margaret Mitchell and Kenny McAfghanistanily. Now we are

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almost at the end of the programme. Thank you for staying with us all

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morning. We leave you now with a montage of the momentous events of

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the last 24 hours. Awww! Morning!

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The majority of valid votes cast yesterday by the people of Scotland

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in response to the referendum question: Should Scotland be an

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independent country, were in favour of no.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. Today is a momentous result for

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Scotland and also for the United Kingdom as a whole. We have

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reaffirmed all that we have in common and the bonds that tie us

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together. Let them never be broken. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

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On behalf of the Scottish Government, I accept the result. The

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Unionist parties made vows late in the campaign to devolve more powers

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to Scotland. Scotland will expect these to be honoured in rapid

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course. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.

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