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stabbed in the stomach when he tried to go to Jo Cox's aid, has been

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Just days till the vote and the referendum

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Should the UK leave the EU or remain a member? Those on both sides of the

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argument will be debating here in Glasgow.

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Also on the programme, rail workers are set to strike.

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Industrial actions scheduled for tomorrow after talks break down

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And Celtic's new manager trains his new squad,

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as the draws are made for Scotland's football teams in Europe.

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Good evening and welcome to a specially extended edition

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of Reporting Scotland which includes our EU

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But first today's news, and with just days to go

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to the vote, the sides in Scotland have stepped up their campaigning.

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The First Minister told nurses that leaving the EU would end up harming

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But Ukip's Scottish leader said Nicola Sturgeon couldn't be trusted.

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This from our political editor Brian Taylor.

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The referendum is dominant and so addressing the Royal College of

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Nursing Congress in Glasgow, the First Minister took care to make her

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own position clear. I will be voting to remain in the EU on Thursday and

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I hope others will do so, too. She told the nurses a British exit would

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damage the NHS as economic decline would bring spending cuts, and she

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broadened her case. I think it is still looking close across the UK,

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which is why it is really important that everybody who wants to remain

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part of the world's biggest single market, to protect our freedom of

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travel across the EU, to protect workers' rights and the notion that

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countries come together in the modern world to work together for

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the greater good, if that is all important to you it is vital to get

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out and vote Remain on Thursday. Look straight into this camera...

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Ever obliging, the Ukip Scottish leader follows photographic advice.

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He says Nicola Sturgeon, be trusted on the NHS as her own record is

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poor. For him, this referendum is about choice and the UK we gaining

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control. My campaign message is voted to leave the European Union.

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It is in Scotland's interests. We get to decide who runs our country,

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we get our fishermen back, and we get to be run by our own Parliament,

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not Brussels, by Holyrood, so make sure we make our own decisions and

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we can throw people out once every five years. Our democratically

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elected colleague Jo Cox... five years. Our democratically

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afternoon, in Westminster, tributes to MP Jo Cox, who was shot dead. MPs

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united today is wearing the white rose of her native Yorkshire. But

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they and voters will divide once more for the referendum this

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Thursday. Rail passengers across Scotland

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are facing the first in a series of strikes tomorrow,

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after talks at the conciliation The RMT union says ScotRail wants

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to water down and wipe out the safety role of the guard

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on long-distance journeys, ScotRail say this is nonsense

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and the majority of services Here's our correspondent Andrew

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Kerr. Raising a flag about rail safety. A

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protest outside HQ this morning. At the moment, on long-distance diesel

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trains there is a guard and driver and the God operates the doors. On

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the electrified suburban routes, where 59% of journeys take place,

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there is a driver and ticket examiner but the driver operates the

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doors. -- guard. ScotRail says it wants to reduce the safety role of

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the gods, replacing the role with ticket examiners. When there has to

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be an evacuation, the ticket collector is not trained for that,

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and people like to see guards on trains. As of reasons, but it is the

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critical safety role, evacuations, the protection of the travelling

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public. That's what we want to maintain. Scott well have expressed

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their frustration, saying safety and jobs are not at risk. -- ScotRail.

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They say they want to get back around the table for

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negotiations in around a round who opens and closes doors. For 30 years

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we have operated a safe system. They say it does not exist. 59% of

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our customers today travel So it is so disingenuous, so

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avoidable and unnecessary. So it is so disingenuous, so

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efforts to resolve the strike failed at the conciliation service in

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Glasgow at lunchtime. The prospect of a strike can be annoying for any

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travellers in any part of the country but for commuters in the

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central belt it is particularly frustrating, as they are facing long

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journeys already because of the Queen street

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improvement works. It's taken 50 minutes to come

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through and it's pretty me right off. Not good. Trains are cancelled

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or delayed. I'm going down to Yorkshire so it

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won't affect me. It is or was frustrating. You plan your day ahead

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and you hope that is what is going to happen so you

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take the best. -- always frustrating. Another six days of

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action are planned, with passengers being urged to check their journeys

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online before travelling. There's been a further

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fall in crimes reported They fell by just over 3% in

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the year to the end of last March. There were fewer murders but overall

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violent crime was up by 5.6%, with serious assaults rising

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by just under a quarter. Sexual crimes also increased,

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although police say many of these offences were historical,

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and there were fewer rapes. Celtic's summer break

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is over already. New manager Brendan Rodgers

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and his squad had their first And there was an immediate focus

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on the European Champions League, as the qualifying draw

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was made this morning. Monday afternoon in Lennoxtown, and

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Brendan Rodgers gets his first chance to look at the Celtic

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players. And he must hit the ground running. Success vital in the

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Champions League campaign which begins in just over three weeks.

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He's very experienced individual, he has looked after many clubs call and

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he has a good understanding. He's followed the club for a long time

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and he understands the pressure that comes with the job. Celtic will face

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a trip to either the Estonian side or Lincoln of cobalt. The first leg

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will be away on the 12th or 13th of July, with a returned the following

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week. The more likely opponents to emerge from the first qualifying

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round tie will be the Estonian club. It has never been relegated from the

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Estonian top division. But also battling to meet Celtic are the link

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red imps, a semiprofessional club from Gibraltar. As we all was do, we

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will approach the game with the preparation done and make sure we do

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our homework. -- always do. The team should be fully prepared going into

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the game because we can take no chances with it being the Champions

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League. Celtic have lost in the final play-off round in the last two

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season. -- seasons. Their aim is to reach the final Champions League

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group stages. And Scotland has three other teams

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in European action next season. The draw for the qualifying rounds

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of the Europa League In ten days' time, Aberdeen will be

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at home to Fola Esch, from Luxembourg, while in Edinburgh,

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Hearts play Infonet of Estonia. Hibernian will meet Valur Reykjavik

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or the Danish side Brondby. That's in the second

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qualifying round in mid-July. I'll be back later with the weather

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forecast, but now it's time to cross to my colleague Glenn Campbell

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for a special EU referendum debate. Thank you. Debating life before our

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audience here in Glasgow this evening, leading In and Out

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campaigners. For Remain, Joanna Cherry. The Leave, the former SNP

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Jim Sellers. And for Remain, the leader of the Scottish Labour Party

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Mr Dugdale. Mr Dugdale.

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-- Mrs Dugdale. So our panellists will be taking questions from the

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audience, which include committed supporters in equal numbers and some

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undecided voters as well. Let's go to our first question, which comes

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from Fraser. How large of a shock to the UK economy would a Brexit be?

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Let me put that first of all to KC. Dale. I think it would be a very

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significant shock. I think it would be very serious and we would see the

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results almost immediately as the markets open on Friday. I'm not here

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to scare you into that prospect. I think it's good to create jobs, to

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sustain the economy we have, to create opportunities for young

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people, and there's no question it's been good for workers' rights. We

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can now make sure we don't compete with our neighbours on the amount of

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holiday leave, the amount we earn in a day and maternity and paternity

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rights, and dots all because we have been in the EU and I hope it

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continues. -- that is all. I don't like the word shock. They may be

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some short-term uncertainty. I'm broadly with Lord rose, the leader

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of the Remain campaign, and that is that it would settle down after a

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period of time, and despite all the scaremongering that's been going on,

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you look at the markets today, the Pounders broadly where it was when

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actually the stock market went up. actually the stock market went up.

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-- the pounds is broadly. I don't think that is the way to look at it

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anyway. What we are looking at is whether we want to restore the

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ability to make decisions in our Parliamentary democracy, and I

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believe in Britain and I believe given the opportunity to control our

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own destiny, we will prosper in the long term, and that's how we should

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look at it. The UK Chancellor, George Osborne, has produced

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look at it. The UK Chancellor, Treasury analysis which he says

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would cost 43,000 Scottish jobs in two years of a Brexit. He's talked

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about having to have an emergency Budget to plug ?30 billion of a

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black hole in UK finances. Do you buy those figures? I think people in

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Scotland are sick of this campaigning, constantly

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scaremongering and raising fears, but what is undoubtedly true is that

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member of the EU has brought very significant benefits to the British

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and Scottish economy. For example, inward investment. For the --

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nations and regions, we have had the most investment to the tune of ?16

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billion per annum. In terms of our exports from Scotland, our exports

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to the EU are worth 2000 per head for everybody in this country and

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they support over 3000 jobs. If we for everybody in this country and

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withdraw... But he is on the same side of the debate as you on this

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occasion, and when the Chancellor says 43,000 Scottish jobs would go

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within two years, are you saying he is

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scaremongering or do you think those figures are inaccurate? What I'm

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saying is, at the moment we are part of a free market and we have access

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to 500 million other consumers, and this has brought massive benefit to

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the British and Scottish economy. If we withdraw from that free market we

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will no longer have access to that market, and of course it will have

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an impact on jobs and investment... I'm not prepared to put a figure on

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it and I'm not able to do so, but I'm saying it is a no-brainer if we

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withdraw from the free market that it will affect jobs and investment

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across the United Kingdom. There will be an agreement reached between

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the European Union and a United Kingdom out of the EU. And I'll tell

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you why. It is there in the trade figures. The European 27 exporter

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costs around ?290 billion worth of goods and services a year.

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-- export to us. We export to them 228 billion a year. So it is in the

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interests of both sides, because the wager on a particular link trade is

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only one way. It is a two-way trade and there are jobs tied up with

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access to that market, and there are lots of jobs tied up in the EU about

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access to our markets. Plus the fact that if we vote Brexit on Thursday,

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we do not leave the EU on Friday. First of all, the United Kingdom

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Government has to write a formal letter to the commission saying, we

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wish to withdraw. On -- under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. So

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we still have two years where we are members of the EU in that market,

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and if you think of those figures and the millions of jobs on both

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sides, common sense will in fact prevail. There will be a free trade

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agreement. All common sense tells you that will be the case. And the

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shock will not in fact occur. I will come back to the panel but I want to

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bring in members of our audience. And perhaps bring in the questioner

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on this festival. What do you think? on this festival. What do you think?

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-- first of all. I think we need to leave and take back control. I think

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the EU has proved itself to be a broken down institution at is very

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core, so I think it's best we leave on our own terms and negotiate those

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terms with the EU rather than have a disorderly Brexit from the EU at a

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later stage. And do you think there will be an economic shock and that

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is something we just have to absorb? Or do you think there is

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scaremongering going on? I think there will be a short time period of

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market volatility and turbulence, and once the markets get the idea of

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the fact we are leaving the EU, they will quickly recover. OK. A

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gentleman on the other side. How can you be so certain there will be an

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agreement if we leave the EU? What of other countries rebel against us

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because we have left? Which countries will rebel? I don't know

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but there could be countries who rebel against us and you, be sure

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they will let us have an agreement. You cannot be sure.

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I'm not saying you would be 100% sure. What I'm saying is if you look

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at the facts on the ground of trade and the jobs involved in euro coming

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to us and our jobs going to them, common sense will prevail. It would

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be a lunacy on their part to put trade barriers up against us,

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because we would put trade barriers up against them and that serves

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nobody's purpose. I'm assuming that all the hysteria from Merkel and Co

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will in fact die down. For example, there is no way the German trade

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unions, whose members are reliant on selling to you are market are going

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to allow a European politician to act in a stupid way in reference to

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a Free Trade Agreement between us and the EU. Now, I can't guarantee

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00% that the politicians will come to their senses, but the facts on

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the ground indicate clearly that they will. Joanna Cherry. Thank you.

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Jim's right in the sense there probably would be an agreement in

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due course. What matters about the agreement are the terms of

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agreement. Look what the Norwegian Prime Minister told us last week.

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She said if the British leave the European Union they won't like it.

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Because in order to have free trade with the European Union, Norway has

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to agree to border, passportless border checks in the Schengen area

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and has to agree to the free movement of people. But it has no

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say in how those regulations are reached. The Norwegian Prime

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Minister described her Government as being like a lobbying organisation

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in Brussels. That's not true, by the way. It is true, Jim. You can go

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home and Google it. She described it as such, so take her word for it.

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The difficulty is that we don't know what the terms of the agreement

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would. Those who want to leave the European Union often cite migration

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and the free movement of workers as one of the main reasons they want to

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leave. If you want to be part of a Free Trade Agreement from outwith

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the EU, you will have to agree to free movement of workers as Norway

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and Switzerland has had to do. Lord Forsyth is shaking his head at that.

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There are examples of countries who've a free trade with the EU who

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don't have free moment of workers. Which countries? Turkey or

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Liechtenstein. But we are not Liechtenstein or Norway. We are the

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fifth largest economy in the world. APPLAUSE.. As Jim has pointed out,

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they sell 62 billion worth of product to us. Anybody who thinks

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with the German and the for example elections coming up, if we vote to

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leave on Friday Angela Merkel's office isn't going to be filled with

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BMW and VW and other manufacturers saying, for goodness sake we sell 1

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million cars to Britain every year, please make sure this free trade

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existing agreement is maintained. Maintained. This is simple

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scaremongering. You don't need to be in the EU in order to sell goods and

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services to Europe. America does that. Those countries which are not

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in the EU have been far better at increasing their exports than we

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have as members. I want to hear from another couple of voices from our

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audience and then I will come back to Kezo the panel. Our economy is

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the fifth largest in the world but that relies heavily on trade,

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particularly with the EU. The IMF has said the value of the pound

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could fall as much as 10% on Brexit. If the pound were to fell in value,

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it would help our export efforts enormously. It would made imports

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more expensive, so it would be easier for our own organisations,

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our own businesses to thrive and prosper. The point about the single

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market, the use of the word market is misleading. It is a single

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regulatory zone. Anyone can sell into the single market. Chinese or

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the Indians and others do so. But they have to do it according to

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terms. Tar tiffs will be applied. I want to hear from the audience. The

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lady on this side. I'm still undecided but this is the nub of

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where my dilemma lies will. Do the Remainors think this is worth

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sacrificing their sovereignty for? I think we benefit from sharing a bit

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of our sovereignty with other nations to have that strong economy,

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to have workers' rights, to have the opportunities that young people get

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from being part of Europe. Talking about the economic questions, you

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are hearing four politicians argue about it. Look at what the business

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leaders are saying, the Scottish whisky association are saying...

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(Inaudible). We don't have a microphone. The Of course, the

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economy is based on the people who generate the wealth. The Scottish

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whisky association are saying to us generate the wealth. The Scottish

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and to you it is hugely important to them that Scottish is part of the

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European Union, because they can trade with 28 nations with one set

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of regulations around marketing and health and safety and bottle size

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and the rest of it. It is also an amazing platform for Scottish whisky

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to get to China and to America that. Platform of being part of Europe is

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hugely advantageous to trade beyond Europe as well as within Europe

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itself. I'm inclined to listen to business, who says it is good for

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the economy. Jim will talk about why it is a bad idea but I don't think

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we should be afraid if we are stronger and better off overall. A

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follow-up question, economy related from Adam. Will vote leave finance

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the fishery and agricultural sectors to the same level as the EU after a

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Brexit. Jim Sillars? I would imagine so. There is no reason why not.

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Before we entered the European Union, in my time as a Member of

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Parliament we had what were called efficiency payment to our farmers.

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The money will be there to do so. I would doubt very much indeed if any

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Government of any particular ideology would starve our

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agricultural sector. By the way, on fishing, the final thing from the

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SNP point of view, on fishing, the final thing from the SNP point of

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view, since 19373 -- since 19373 was to get rid of the common fisheries

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policy. Whether it is conducted from Westminster or Holyrood, that will

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go down to the benefit of Scottish fishing. Stminster or Holyrood, that

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will go down to the benefit of Scottish fishing. -- since 1973. Why

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do you through the NFU in Scotland has come out against a British exit.

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Arguing that overall benefits of staying in outweigh the advantages

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that farm businesses would Duwayne from leaving the EU? I don't know

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why he said that, because I've talked to lots of farmers who are

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voting to leave, who would prefer the deficiency payment system that

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we operated previously. People like the NFU say on balance, but there is

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no figures provided by them that would clinch the art in that way.

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And by the way, the common fisheries policy undoes the argument that

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Kezia was making, that you share policy undoes the argument that

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sovereignty in the EU. You do not share sovereignty in the EU. You

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transfer sovereignty to the central institutions of the EU. The common

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fisheries policy is a classic example of that transfer. Farming

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and fishing, Joanna Cherry. The Common Agricultural Policy has

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brought significant benefits to Scotland. Vital funding to farmers

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and landowners to subsidise farming and forestry in difficult and

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vulnerable areas. It provides significant funding to all sorts of

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Najaf the rural area, all sorts of community and environmental

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activities. Why the national farmers union of Scotland have said they

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don't want to come out of the EU is clear, because they gave evidenced

:24:26.:24:28.

to a Holyrood economy recently. They said 40% of the European Union

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Budget is spent on the Common said 40% of the European Union

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Agricultural Policy. Significant subs does come to Scotland and they

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said nobody has told us what will replace those subsidies. George

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Eustace, the Minister of State for farming in the UK Government and is

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campaigning on the Leave side, says that farmers in his view would get

:24:50.:24:53.

as much support or perhaps even more as they get now. That's his view. He

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hasn't given any detail, which policy it is going to replace. He

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can say whatever he likes but he has to give detail. Last year in the

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Scottish independence referendum they produced a white paper with

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detailed proposals. The Leave campaign has produced nothing of the

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sort. Lord Forsyth is a director of vote leave. Leave.. It is nothing to

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do with George Eustace, the moment we vote to leave on Friday, farming

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and fishing will be the spotlight of the Scottish Parliament. I would

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like to come back on that. It is a huge transfer of power to Scotland.

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So the Scottish Parliament can decide what happens to our fishermen

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and what happens to our farmers. I venture to suggest they'll be better

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off. I've got a ten pound note here. Who is going to give me ?20 for it?

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That's the deal in Europe. We pay them ?20 billion and we get 10 back.

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And we are told how to spend it. Talk to any farmer in Scotland and

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ask how it's been this year filling in the forms and the disaster of

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paying the money. We send the money to Europe, who produce complicated

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systems of grants, and it is sent back to uses in ways they determine.

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I want the Scottish Parliament to be able to decide these matters and to

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have a fishing the policy and agricultural policy which is right

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for Scotland. I want to let Joanna Cherry pick up on that in a moment.

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But I want to pick up this business of how much money will come to the

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farmers. The Vote Leave battlebus of how much money will come to the

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suggests the money we might save if we left in European Union

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suggests the money we might save if contributions would be more likely

:26:37.:26:39.

directed to the NHS. Well, with it isn't actually... You can't spend it

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twice. Listen, this is not a general election. This is not about winning

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or losing, but in whiching the public on the issues. At the end of

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the day we will get money back. ?10 billion back. How it is spent is a

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matter for the elected Governments, in Westminster for the Westminster

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Government and in Scotland with agriculture and fishing and

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education and other power which is will come back to Scotland, it will

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be a matter for the First Minister and the Scottish Parliament to

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decide. On that point, I want to hear from the audience. Let me

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finish that point. And that is Hewitt should be. At the moment 60%

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of our laws and regulations are made by unelected commissioners who are

:27:20.:27:23.

accountable to no-one and whom you cannot get rid of. Fisheries and

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farm have been devolved since 1998 but negotiating with other countries

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over common fisheries policies and Common Agricultural Policies are not

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devolved. Those from the preserve of Westminster. Furthermore... It is

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called the Scottish Government now. Have you read the Scotland Act, Lord

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Forsyth? Yes, I have. Negotiating with Governments is a devolved

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matter. Jim talked about making trade agreements with other

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countries. We have to replace what we have with something else. Here's

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the other thing. Briefly, please. Lord Forsyth has said Scottish

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Government will have more power. The economic levers of power remain at

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Westminster. If the British Government is going to have more

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money as a result of withdrawing from Europe... You don't accept

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that? I said if. Who is to say it will give any of that money to the

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Scottish Government to replace the subsidies we currently get for our

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fishermen and farmers. APPLAUSE.

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I think we have a farmer in our audience. Let's come to you. Make it

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as a point. Well, it's a well-known fact that farmers have been in term

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of the near on two years. There have been a few campaigns towards the

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government and there is yet to be any support from UK Government base.

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So what makes you think that if we exit Europe, they would support

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farmers? Because they have an opportunity to do so just now. As I

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understand it, you have yet to make up your mind and decide which way to

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vote on Thursday? How big a concern is this for you in reaching that

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decision? Oh, well, it is colossal, really. Because it is not just

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farmers, is the whole rural economy. What is it you want the government

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to do? What I'm saying is, we are still waiting on subsidy payments

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that were due last year. If they can't deliver that, how on earth are

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they going to deliver a Common Agricultural Policy within the UK?

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But you have just explain that. If they can't deliver that how

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wonderful they going to deliver... Our understanding is that it is

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sitting at the door of the UK Government. So how can they deliver

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their own policy? Let me bring in a voice from this side of the room.

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The gentleman with glasses. I must confess, this is the second time

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I've heard Lord Forsyth bring up confess, this is the second time

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this phrase "Unelected bureaucrats". Does the term pot, kettle and black

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spring to mind? APPLAUSE

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Actually, the great virtue of our system on your point, which is a dig

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at me because I'm a member of the House of Lords, which is accountable

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to the House of Commons, the great virtue of our system is that you

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were able to kick me out in 97 when you didn't agree with my policies.

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You are still here! I want to hear more from the audience. You say

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about the Common Agricultural Policy, but it doesn't actually work

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for Scotland at all, to the point it could actually impact the barrel

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production for the whisky trade which they talked up so well. It is

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what your committee says in Hollywood. There's something else

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Lord Forsyth said and that's the sense that 60% of laws come from

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Europe, and that's just not true. Only 13% even reference to the EU,

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let alone enforce laws made in Europe upon us. So it is another one

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of these scaremongering stories that you accused us of right at the start

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of your programme. The concerns about farming are very real indeed.

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Likewise in the fishing industry. This is real and about

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people'slivelihoods and is very serious indeed. The Scottish

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fishermen 's Federation says they are neutral but they don't want to

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lose out on the aspect of free trade because the current -- but the

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current law doesn't work for them. It is really difficult but maybe

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there aren't easy answers here. So I would say to you think about this.

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Be you genuinely believe that a Tory government wants to give more

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subsidy and more public money to you as a farmer? Do you believe they

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genuinely want to give more money to our NHS? The Tories believe in

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smaller state intervention and our NHS? The Tories believe in

:32:15.:32:17.

smaller government. They are not out to help you get from one week to the

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next or one season to the next. No doubt we will hear more from Lord

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Forsyth as the debate goes on. This question comes from Sarah. I was

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wondering, how would remaining in the EU or leaving effect or control

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the higher levels of immigration we are experiencing across the UK at

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the moment? I agree with Jeremy Corbyn, who said on the Andrew Marr

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Programme on Sunday that while we are in the EU, it will be impossible

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for us to control the levels of immigration. And I think that is

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very important. I think we do need to have migrants coming to our

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country but we need to be able to control the numbers so we are able

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to match the services for the schools, the whole service, housing,

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congestion on our roads and all the other things we have to live with in

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congestion on our roads and all the our country. -- health service.

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There are many countries not in the EU. In fact, most countries in the

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world are not in the EU. But almost all countries I can think of think

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it is important to be able to control their borders, who comes in

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and who we can throw out. The fact that because of the EU court, we

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find ourselves with serious criminals here that we cannot expel,

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that is a good example of how we have lost control of our ability to

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run our own affairs, and by leaving the EU, we can have an immigration

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policy which meets our needs, brings the skills we need to Scotland and

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the UK as a whole and also an immigration policy which is fair to

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those who want to come here from non-EU countries. People from India,

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Pakistan, South Africa, Australia, and so on, so we welcome people who

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can make a real contribution to our economy and not turn people a side

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who could make a huge contribution to the health service and other

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services because we are stuck with our inability to control numbers

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coming in from the EU. And in terms of net migration, EU citizens to the

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UK, around 180,000 came to the UK. Obviously a smaller proportion to

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Scotland. And yesterday, this interview Lord Forsyth referred to

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on the Andrew Marr programme with your UK party leader, Jeremy Corbyn

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was asked, is there any kind of upper limit to immigration coming to

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this country? He said, I don't think you can have one while you have a

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free movement of labour. First of all, I think we should recognise the

:34:56.:34:58.

people choosing to live and make their lives in Scotland is a

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positively good thing. It has added a tremendous amount to an society to

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have those ethnicities and we should recognise that. Those figures you

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highlighted are right. 180,000. It is a very small percentage of our

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overall population. If you listen to the Leave campaign, and they

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unveiled that horrific poster, you would think every immigrant coming

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to this country gets a house, and they take everything from us. They

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are being blamed and being told they are the fault of everything wrong

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with our society... Just let me get this point out. The question I asked

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you was about what Jeremy Corbyn said on the programme yesterday. Do

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you agree there can be no limit? He is clear to say that as an aspect of

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our current situation in the EU. That's right. But we also have to

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recognise that immigration is much broader than people coming from the

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EU. It is much more complex than that. And there is no solution to

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immigration, however you feel about it, on the ballot paper on Thursday.

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We are being asked about what kind of country and society we want to

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be. Do we want to be one that is represented by Nigel Farage, who

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labels immigrants as taking from us? Just 5% of EU immigrants claim

:36:18.:36:26.

benefits. You are more likely to be treated by an EU immigrant in the

:36:27.:36:30.

NHS than you are to be sat next to one. If you think there is a problem

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in our country with access to GPs, not enough council houses to young

:36:37.:36:40.

people, problems with school placements, blame the Tories, who

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spent the last five years cutting public services. Don't blame

:36:45.:36:47.

immigrants, because all they've done is invest in us. Seeing as Kezia

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Dugdale mentioned the Tories, to start with, that poster she referred

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to with the column of people seeking refuge in the EU with a banner on it

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"Breaking point", what did you think when you saw that? I thought it was

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a particularly stupid poster, because it was confusing two things.

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Refugees and migrants. I would like to see us do more on refugees, and

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that means being able to control the numbers coming into our country,

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which we can do if we leave the EU. There is the most appalling

:37:32.:37:36.

persecution going on in Syria of Christians and I've been trying to

:37:37.:37:40.

persuade the Government to declare this as genocide, which would mean

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we could intervene directly to help those people. So I thought it was a

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silly poster. But, quite frankly, if this campaign is reduced to argue

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about posters and Nigel Farage, when what is at stake is our democratic

:37:54.:37:57.

future, then I think something has gone badly wrong. Let me bring in

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the audience before I come back to our panellists. Back row. There was

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a lot being said about immigration from people coming into the country

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but immigration actually works both ways. There are 2.2 million Brits

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who are working, living and retired abroad, and I would like to know

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what is going to happen to them. If we come out of the EU, do they have

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to come back? You know, what kind of future is therefore all these

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people? OK. Pick up on that and your answer to the broader question.

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There are about 40,000 Norwegians living in Spain, I think. I don't

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think they will be greatly affected one way or the other, to tell the

:38:50.:38:53.

truth. On immigration, let me make it perfectly plain that on the Leave

:38:54.:38:59.

side, people have different reasons for wanting to leave. We are not all

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Nigel Farages, let me tell you! And I think if the Leave side loses on

:39:12.:39:18.

Thursday, he will be primarily responsible for the disgraceful way

:39:19.:39:21.

he has conducted the argument on immigration. We need a rational,

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sensible, adult discussion. Not so much a debate but a discussion about

:39:30.:39:35.

immigration. Of course, numbers of people coming into our country

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create a problem. The problem isn't culture or stealing someone's job.

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It's being able to plan. When I was on a hospital board many years ago,

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we needed a registrar general's figures in order that we could

:39:50.:39:54.

allocate to different areas of the medical services. At one time, we

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had children being born at a fair rate, so obviously we got those

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figures that meant we could give more money to the maternity services

:40:09.:40:12.

in Glasgow, which, combined with a birth rate, was a problem, because

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this was before the slump took place. So we've got to be able to

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say there are three categories of migrant. There are the asylum

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seekers, whom we should welcome all the time without dispute. The other

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two categories are short-term economic migrants, which I have been

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one of them, incidentally. When I couldn't get work in Scotland, I

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went to Saudi Arabia. This is quite important because we've had an awful

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lot of stuff about people... But we are also pressed the time! The other

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section of people who want to come and live here. In Scotland could do

:40:56.:40:59.

with many more people from all over the world coming to live here

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because our population was declining till we got the immigration

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principally from eastern Europe, and it is now rising. A rising

:41:09.:41:12.

population is good for us all. More prosperous and you have a bigger

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home market. Let's have an adult, sensible discussion. OK, 3.3% of

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those in Scotland at the moment are EU nationals. Further 2.1% from

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outside the EU. That's the EU nationals. Further 2.1% from

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proportion. There is absolutely no reason why free movement within the

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EU should prevent us doing our fair share to take in refugees fleeing

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from war and troubled areas in the middle east. And there's absolutely

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no reason why free movement, people within you, should prevent us having

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a sensible immigration policy for people out with the EU. -- people

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within the EU. We have people wanting to take part in the Scottish

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economy being sent home to Australia. Only 3% of the Scottish

:42:09.:42:11.

population currently comes from the EU and only 5% in the UK comes from

:42:12.:42:18.

across the EU, and various studies over the last couple of years have

:42:19.:42:22.

shown migrants from the EU make a net contribution to the British

:42:23.:42:26.

economy, so that is that they are paying more in by way of taxes than

:42:27.:42:30.

they are taking out by way of benefits. So I think we need to

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challenge the myth because that is what is creating -- challenge the

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myth that what is creating pressure on our services is migrants from the

:42:41.:42:45.

EU. It's not. What is creating pressure is the failure of this

:42:46.:42:48.

Conservative government to invest properly in the services,

:42:49.:42:51.

particularly the NHS, and affordable housing. OK... I need to come back

:42:52.:43:00.

on this. We are not in charge of the amount of money that we spend on the

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NHS. Yes, you are! It is dependent on the buyer formula. Do you not

:43:08.:43:11.

blame the Scottish Government for the economic failures of the Tory

:43:12.:43:15.

government? Why should people in Scotland have to pay more than

:43:16.:43:17.

government? Why should people in people in England to have basic

:43:18.:43:22.

decent public services? Is that your party policy? We are running out of

:43:23.:43:29.

time. Let be hear from the lady on this side and then the gentleman

:43:30.:43:30.

here. I was appalled the other day

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Michael Gove suggested that if we leave the EU Scotland will be able

:43:41.:43:43.

to sort out its own immigration issues. Talking about families like

:43:44.:43:49.

the Brains from outside the EU. Appalled, why? Because it is

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disingenuous. On the basis of what we've experienced post referendum I

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wouldn't believe a word they say. APPLAUSE. Thank you for that. Joanna

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I agree there's a skills gap in Scotland but with the EU we have no

:44:07.:44:10.

control over what skill the workforce comes in. Surely it makes

:44:11.:44:15.

sense to have a system where you prioritise the skills gap you keep

:44:16.:44:21.

mentioning. You can have both. You can't control it. We can talk all

:44:22.:44:27.

night about this topic but we need to move on about another. Thank you

:44:28.:44:33.

for your contributions. Our next question is from Jamie McEwan.

:44:34.:44:38.

Wouldn't it be better to be an independent Scotland outwith the EU,

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or part of the UK within the UK? An independent Scotland within the EU.

:44:47.:44:53.

Other options are available. It depends what happens in the

:44:54.:44:57.

referendum on Thursday. But if there's a Brexit and Scotland votes

:44:58.:45:02.

to stay in, what happens, Kezia Dugdale? I don't think we should

:45:03.:45:07.

have to pick between two unions. I want to be part of the European

:45:08.:45:11.

Union and within the European Union. If we are in a situation on Friday

:45:12.:45:15.

morning where we have voted as a United Kingdom to leave the European

:45:16.:45:20.

Union, I think the arguments for staying part of the UK become even

:45:21.:45:26.

stronger. We will set ourselves a task of leaving our second biggest

:45:27.:45:31.

trading partner. So much we discussed tonight is linked to. Why

:45:32.:45:37.

would we want to leave our first biggest trading partner, our nearest

:45:38.:45:40.

neighbours in England and Wales and Northern Ireland. The Labour Party's

:45:41.:45:44.

position is we oppose a second referendum on independence over the

:45:45.:45:48.

lifetime of the next five years, because we all respect democracy. We

:45:49.:45:53.

were told it was a once in a lifetime, once in a generation

:45:54.:46:00.

activity. In an interview in February you contemplated that in

:46:01.:46:03.

these circumstances it wasn't inconceivable you might back an

:46:04.:46:07.

independent Scotland. I think everyone would be thoughtful and

:46:08.:46:09.

reflective about that. You've changed your mind? I thought we were

:46:10.:46:14.

in a position in Scotland where we could have a more nuanced

:46:15.:46:17.

conversation about the constitution. It turns out in Scotland we are

:46:18.:46:21.

divided between yes and no. The clearly black and white. Having

:46:22.:46:25.

thought about it I believe strongly, as I did throughout the independence

:46:26.:46:28.

referendum, that Scotland's future best lies within the United Kingdom.

:46:29.:46:32.

I think especially if we were to leave the European Union, and I

:46:33.:46:35.

sincerely hope we don't, that relationship becomes even more

:46:36.:46:39.

important. I'll be even more drawn to campaigning to remain within that

:46:40.:46:42.

United Kingdom if we leave the European Union. Joanna Cherry. Kezia

:46:43.:46:48.

and I are on the same side tonight, which is pleasant. We were on

:46:49.:46:51.

different sides during the independence referendum. Those of

:46:52.:46:59.

you who took any interest in the referendum, we were told by Better

:47:00.:47:04.

Together, the only way to guarantee Scotland's membership of the

:47:05.:47:07.

European Union was to vote no and stay in the United Kingdom. In the

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event this Thursday the United Kingdom votes to leave the European

:47:11.:47:15.

Union and Scotland votes to remain in the European Union, the

:47:16.:47:18.

circumstances in which people voted to remain in the UK in 2014 will

:47:19.:47:22.

have changed materially and significantly. If our manifesto for

:47:23.:47:26.

the Holyrood election, the SNP said that we felt the Scottish Parliament

:47:27.:47:31.

should be entitled to hold another referendum if there was material and

:47:32.:47:35.

significant change in the circumstances that pertained in

:47:36.:47:39.

2014. Do you think that's what happened? Alex Salmond said it would

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happen within two years, what do you think? I think there would be a

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groundswell of support for a second referendum if Scotland is taken out

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of the European Union against her will. I base that on what people are

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saying to me on the doorsteps. People are concerned they were told

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in 2014 the only way to remain in the European Union was to vote no.

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Now they face being taken out of the European Union against their will. I

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want to see Scotland as an independent member state in the

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European Union. But so long as Scotland remains in the United

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Kingdom, I want to see the United Kingdom remain in the European

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Union. I think that's in the interests of the whole of the UK

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economy. That's why the SNP has been trying to run a positive campaign

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for the whole of the UK to remain in the European Union.

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APPLAUSE. Jim Sillars? That's pure kidology. I will tell you why. I've

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read the manifesto and I've also read these words in the Sunday

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Herald. This is from Nicola. I am clear that if Scotland does face

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being taken out of Europe against our will, the option set out in our

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consideration. It is a slippery word consideration. It is a slippery word

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- consideration, by the way. The SNP does not have a mandate to hold a

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second independence referendum. In the same position in 2016 as Alex

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Salmond was in 2007. A minority Government, with this difference.

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Alex at least asked from a mandate. In 2016, Nicola had the opportunity

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to add words there, saying, in the event of Brexit turning out this

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way, I ask you for a mandate in order to hold a second referendum.

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She doesn't have the mandate. And the power to, the legal power to

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grant a referendum is at Westminster. The only way you can

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lever that out of Westminster is having a majority combined with a

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mandate. You then have the moral authority to say, our people want

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it. The next time that the SNP might get a majority and might ask for a

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mandate is 2021. OK, so it wouldn't happen according to Jim Sillars...

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For them to pretend to the yes voters that if Brexit turns out the

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way Joanna described, we are on our way to a referendum. A promise that

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she cannot fulfil. It is not kidology. I have the greatest

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respect for Jim, but he is wrong on this issue. Tonight doingle the SNP

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manifesto and look at page 24 and you will see the words I've set out

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for you. We may not have a majority Government but the SNP received

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46.5% of the vote. That's the highest mandate that any Government

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ALL TALK AT ONCE ALL TALK AT ONCE

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. . You have already had a say on this one. I'm don't have one. I'm

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confused about the SNP's position. If the argument is, and it looks

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like the polls suggests if England votes to leave but Scotland votes to

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remain, we should have another referendum, the simple message to

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anyone who wants to keep the union is that you should vote to leave in

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Scotland. Otherwise it will be used as ammunition to make the case for

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another referendum. And all the polls show that the majority of

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people in Scotland do not want to have another referendum. By the way,

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if on Friday people vote to remain in the European Union, which I'm

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opposed to, I will accept the result, because I'm a democrat. I

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think it is a disgrace that the SNP continue to damage Scotland's

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interests by continuing to drag out this idea that we could leave the

:51:46.:51:49.

United Kingdom, and if we were to leave the United Kingdom with the

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oil price where it is, we would be bust. By the way, the EU wouldn't

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have you, because you wouldn't be able to meet the debt criteria. I

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want to not this nonsense on the head that we would be bust. Figures

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show if Scotland wore an independent country, they would have a deficit

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of ?7 billion. Ladies and gentlemen, the United Kingdom has a deficit of

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?76 billion. It is an utterly disingenuous argument. Most

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countries in Europe have a deficit. Scotland would have a small deficit.

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The UK has a deficit of ?76 billion. Think object that. It is nonsense.

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The gentleman on the front row. Your entire campaign for the the Scottish

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independence referendum was - everything will stay the same.

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That's why you wanted the EU as an exit result. But if we are out of

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the EU, you've lost one of ve lost one of your status quo options -

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keep the Queen, keep the pound, keep the EU. You will now be asking the

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Scottish people to leave the UK and join the EU if we were out. I don't

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think people were asked if they want to join this thing called the EU

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they would say yes. You are assuming that everyone person would be a

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citizen of the European Union. The European Union has expanded greatly

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in recent years, with many small newly independent nations joining

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it. It is simply ridiculous to think newly independent nations joining

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that an independent Scotland would not be welcomed in the European

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Union. These are issues of our time. Would you have the pound? We would

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have to look at the situation pertaining at the time. You can't

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expect me to make a decision about that here and now. We would need to

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look at the economic conditions at the time. We probably wouldn't want

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to be tied to a pound if it nosedived after a Brexit. Jim

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Sillars? In 2014, in a letter to the Scottish Parliament from the

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Vice-President of the European Union, they told us the the day

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you're independent, you are out. In other words, get stuffed! They were

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on the side of Better Together. There is no reason to believe they

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wouldn't tell us to get stuffed next time if the UK remains inside the

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European Union. Distinguished legal opinion says Scotland would have a

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right to remain in the United Kingdom. Thank you very much indeed

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to the four on our panel and to our audience here. That's all we've got

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time for. Voting is on Thursday. APPLAUSE.

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Well, our political editor Brian Taylor joins me now.

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Let's start at the end of that, because there was claim and

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counterclaim about what the EU referendum will mean for Scottish

:54:52.:54:54.

independence. You've got some clarity on that. The entire thing is

:54:55.:54:59.

the uncertainty of a referendum on Thursday. I think what the Scottish

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Government might seek to do. I do not think they would regard an

:55:04.:55:07.

independence referendum as absolutely a guaranteed prospect in

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the event that Britain leaves. But I think they would try to set the

:55:11.:55:14.

trail in motion. I think for example they might seek what's known as a

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Section 30 agreement, as was done prior to the referendum in 2014. To

:55:20.:55:24.

have that on the table in the event they would call a referendum. Nicola

:55:25.:55:31.

Sturgeon would argue circumstances have materially changed. Overall, of

:55:32.:55:38.

the 45 minutes, what's your analysis of the arguments. I'm struck by the

:55:39.:55:42.

way the economy and immigration comes to the fore, and neither side,

:55:43.:55:47.

and I don't blame them for this, this is the nature of politics and

:55:48.:55:52.

the absence of forecasting for the future. Each side has to say trust

:55:53.:55:58.

me with regard to the prospectus on the economy. People have to made up

:55:59.:56:02.

their mind which of the two they trust. Time and time again it became

:56:03.:56:09.

party political as opposed to remaining leave. Kezia Dugdale

:56:10.:56:12.

saying don't blame the European Union, blame the Tories. Lord

:56:13.:56:16.

Forsyth trying to rebut that. Jim Sillars saying if Leave losed, he

:56:17.:56:20.

said that would be the responsibility, the blame, the

:56:21.:56:25.

fault, for Nigel Farage for what Jim Sillars believes is getting it wrong

:56:26.:56:28.

on immigration. Weather now, and as it's the summer

:56:29.:56:29.

solstice Kirsteen MacDonald is on beautiful Nairn

:56:30.:56:32.

beach this evening. Thank you Jackie. Good evening to

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you from just east of inverness in. We are marking the summer solstice,

:56:42.:56:45.

the longest day of the year. This year it is falling on June 20th

:56:46.:56:55.

because of of it being a leap year. Indeed, we are expecting around 17

:56:56.:56:57.

hours of daylight across Scotland. Certainly here on Nairn beach, a lot

:56:58.:57:03.

of sunshine. A pleasant day here. A marked improvement on the type of

:57:04.:57:07.

weather we have seen in much of the north-east of Scotland over the last

:57:08.:57:10.

few weeks, with a nagging northeasterly wind. As far as this

:57:11.:57:15.

evening is concerned, across the country a fine evening, with spells

:57:16.:57:19.

of brightness and sunshine. Any showers tending to fade away

:57:20.:57:23.

tonight. We have clear spells for eastern areas. In the west, there'll

:57:24.:57:27.

be a fair amount of cloud around. We'll have some showery outbreaks of

:57:28.:57:31.

rain feeding into the north-west. On a fairly keen south to southwesterly

:57:32.:57:36.

breeze. Not really a cold night for most of us. Temperatures will told

:57:37.:57:41.

up at 10-12 Celsius. Atures will told up at 10-12 Celsius. Tomorrow -

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much of the east and the south, another fine day to um can, with

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spells of brightness and sunshine developing. More cloud across the

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west and further outbreaks of rain developing. More cloud across the

:57:51.:57:54.

in the north-west. Taking a closer look tomorrow afternoon. Across much

:57:55.:57:57.

of the south and through central areas, it is looking fine and dry.

:57:58.:58:02.

Brightness and sunshine. For much of the west, the north-west especially,

:58:03.:58:07.

outbreaks of rain, perhaps something drier across the Western Isles at

:58:08.:58:11.

times. For the Northern Isles a peppering of showers. A fine day for

:58:12.:58:15.

the north-east, with spells of brightness and sunshine. Highs of 20

:58:16.:58:18.

Celsius. Not much change as we intheed the evening, with the best

:58:19.:58:22.

of the sunshine in the east and the south. As we head into Wednesday,

:58:23.:58:27.

again really quite a decent day of weather to come across Scotland. A

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fair amount of brightness and sunshine around. Perhaps a

:58:31.:58:35.

scattering of showers at times. Temperatures wide lid into the mid

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to high teens. Peaking at 20 Celsius. Ide lid into the mid to

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high teens. Peaking at 20 Celsius. Thursday - again another quite

:58:43.:58:45.

decent day of weather to come. Especially in the east. Jack

:58:46.:58:48.

written, that's the forecast from Nairn beach. Plenty of sunshine

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around. I might go and build myself a sandcastle. Back to you. You do

:58:53.:58:56.

that, Kirsty. Now a reminder of

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tonight's main news. Rail passengers across Scotland face

:58:59.:59:07.

the first in a series of strikes tomorrow after talks at ACAS between

:59:08.:59:12.

the RMT union and ScotRail broke down.

:59:13.:59:17.

I'll be back with the headlines at 8.00pm and the late

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Until then, from everyone on the team, have a very good evening.

:59:23.:59:32.

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