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Scotland votes to stay in the EU as the UK decides to leave -

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the First Minister says that makes a second independence

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It is a significant and material change in circumstances, it is

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therefore a statement of the obvious, that the option of a second

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referendum must be on the table, and it is on the table.

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to the Deputy First Minister, John Swinney.

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We analyse the impact of the decision on Scotland's

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I was anxious, it is kind of bringing insecurity to the future.

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to study and work here from other parts of the Europe.

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And as presidential hopeful Donald Trump arrives at Turnberry

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to reopen his golf resort he tells what he thinks about Brexit.

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The First Minister says a second independence referendum

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Despite Scottish voters polling 62% in favour

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of remaining in the EU - UK-wide people voted 52%

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The Scottish Government is beginning to draw-up legislation allowing

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another independence referendum Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland faces

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the prospect of being taken out of the EU against its will.

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And describes that as "democratically unacceptable".

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Here's our Political Editor Brian Taylor.

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And so Britain heads out of the European Union and Scotland heads

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into a coninstitutional quagmire. We must now prepare for a

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negotiation with the European Union. As he resigned from office, the

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Prime Minister acknowledged the devolved dimension, arguing that

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Holyrood must play a part in forming a new relationship with the EU.

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This will involve the full engagement with the Scottish, Welsh

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and Northern Ireland governments, to ensure that the interests of all

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parts of the United Kingdom are protected and advanced.

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Like most in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, voted to remain. But

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England and Wales said "no" and today she faced the consequences.

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As things stand, Scotland faces the prospect of being taken out of the

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EU against our will. I regard that as democratically unacceptable...

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She said she would seek any way of ensuring that Scotland remained

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linked to the EU but failing that she would take steps now to prepare

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for a possible independence referendum before Britain finally

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exities the EU after two years of negotiations.

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I think a independence referendum is now highly likely but I also think

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it important to take time to consider all steps and to have the

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discussions not least to assess the response of the European Union to

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the vote that Scotland expressed yesterday.

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But the leave campaign's leading light, Boris Johnson, a possible

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candidate for Downing Street, said there was no need now to fracture

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the UK. This does not mean that the United

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Kingdom will be in any way less United.

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And Ukip Scottish leader, ridiculed talk of a further independence vote.

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Whatever nonsense Nicola is coming out with regards another referendum,

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she is talking through her hat! But what will it mean in practice? At

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the Royal Highland Show today, concern over farm subsidies,

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although self evidently no details yet but division over the decision.

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We won the war, why did they have to tell us what to do? Gutted. Totally

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gutted. Two, three years more of uncertainty and just... Just could

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do without if it, to be honest. Just want to get on.

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I was shocked when I heard the news. But just need to get on with it.

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Three-quarters of the voters in Edinburgh voted remain. Every

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Scottish area voted remain, clear, certain. London and Northern Ireland

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followed suit, large swathes of Wales and England voted to leave.

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Devolved Scotland, deep uncertainty and disquiet.

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So are the circumstances right for another independence referendum?

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Our Political Correspondent Glenn Campbell takes a look

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It is less than two years since the last vote on Scottish independence

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which some on the "yes" said was a once in a generation event. But

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Nicola Sturgeon thinks that a referendum re-run may be the best

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way to keep Scotland in the EU. First Minister, if not an

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independence referendum, what other options are available to you? I

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think an independence referendum is now highly likely.

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Indy re-II is opposed by political rank and files.

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We do not address the challenges of leaving the European Union, by

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leaving the biggest market and our closest friends.

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prepared to offer support. prepared to offer support.

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. If offer responsibilities emerge, let's debate and discuss

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them, if the only possibility is to vote again for independence, that is

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my own party's position. At heil rude, the greens and the

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SNPs to call a referendum but some

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experts believe it could be legally difficult.

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The general view is that the Scottish Parliament requires

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Westminster's consent to hold a referendum on independence. If not?

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This could be messy. It is possible to go ahead and prepare some

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legislation but if that legislation were introduced to the Scottish

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Parliament, there is a duty on the presiding officer to make the call.

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It is possible it could end up in court.

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But the First Minister cannot afford hold ups if there is to be another

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vote on independence, she wants it to take place during the negotiation

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of the UK's ex-out were the EU to maximise the chance of an

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independent Scotland being allowed to continue in the EU rather than

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having to negotiate membership from the outside.

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But all of this depends on public appetite for another referendum.

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Scotland has clearly voted based on the result that they want to remain

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in Europe. So there is no option but to go for a second referendum I

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think we need time to calm down and think about it. Not straight away

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but definitely in the future. I've had enough of referendums and votes.

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We are unlikely to be asked to cast another vote on independence, unless

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SNP ministers are convinced that the result would be different the second

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time around. I'm joined now from Holyrood by the

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Deputy First Minister, John Swinney. Another referendum, are you

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convinced you can win it in two years? The priority of the Scottish

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Government is to ensure that we honour the votes that people in

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Scotland exercised in the referendum yesterday when they said that they

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wanted to remain members of the European Union. The Scottish

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Government is to use the opportunity we have to influence that process to

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ensure that the interests of Scotland and the membership within

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the European Union is protected. That is what the people asked of us.

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But it is obviously as the First Minister said today, given the fact

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that Scotland voted decisively to stay in the European Union and the

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UK did the reverse, that the question of a further referendum of

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independence is very much on the table and must be considered as part

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of the process of protecting our membership with the European Union.

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This time round you are asking people to choose between a union

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with the rest of the UK and a union with the rest of Europe? But people

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made it clear yesterday in Scotland that they wanted to ensure that our

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country remained a member of the European Union. People in Scotland

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country remained a member of the expressed the view more decisively,

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frankly, than the opinion has been expressed in the reverse by the rest

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of the United Kingdom about leaving the European Union. Given that in

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the Scottish referendum in 2014, such emphasis was placed by the "no"

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campaign on the fact if people wanted to protect the EU membership

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in Scotland they had to vote "no", they voted "no" and now we have the

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consequence of the referendum yesterday, of losing the membership

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of the European Union. So the Scottish government will concentrate

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efforts on making sure we can do what we can to use the influence in

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the process to protect Scotland's membership within the European

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Union. That is what the public in Scotland expect us to do and that is

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what we concentrate our efforts on when taking it forward.

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Even if there is pressure on links with our biggest trading partner

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Even if there is pressure on links over the border? It is important to

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get the arrangements that the people of Scotland wanted. They expressed

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yesterday a desire to remain an outward looking nation, to be

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consected to the European Union, to participate in the activities with

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the European Union, I don't think it should be a surprise that the

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Scottish Government wants to ensure that is what we use our influence to

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deliver. But it should be equally clear, if unable to secure that, to

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preserve Scotland's membership of the European Union, then a question

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of a second referendum must be on the table to ensure that the people

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of Scotland are able to have the democratic constitutional

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arrangements that they have opted to have.

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So the talk to maintain the links, what does it mean? The Prime

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Minister said in his resignation statement this morning that the

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Scottish Government would be fully involved in the process with

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negotiating with the European Union. We want to ensure it is the case. To

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have direct discussions with the European Union to advance Scotland's

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interests. Our people expressed clearly and democratically, the

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desire to maintain's Scotland membership with the European Union

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and the Scottish Government will do everything we can do to ensure it is

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effective as a consequence of the participation and the negotiations

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around these arrangements. And briefly, Mr Swinney, what do you

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say to more than 1 million people in Scotland who voted for Brexit? There

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has been a democratic decision that the people of Scotland arrived at

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yesterday. The majority, 62% of those who voted said that they

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wanted Scotland to remain a member of the European Union. It is

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important that the democratic view of the people of Scotland is taken

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forward. It is a significant and a material change from the proposition

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put to us in our own referendum in 2014. It is vital that the Scottish

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Government does all we can to protect the membership of the

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European Union, that the people of Scotland asked us to protect.

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Thank you very much. Let's go to Westminster

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for the reaction there David, amid the maelstrom,

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has there been any response to Nicola Sturgeon's suggestion that

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another independence The first thing to say is that

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people in the building behind me neither expected nor wanted to be in

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the position they are tonight, but they are having to get used to the

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new political realities. Instinctively, most MPs and the UK

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Government do not want a second Scottish referendum, they hoped the

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issue had been put to bed in 2014. But yesterday's voting utterly

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changed that. England and Wales voted to leave, Scotland are

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resolutely voted to remain. We heard Nicola Sturgeon saying that if

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Scotland was forced to leave the EU, in her words that would be"

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democratically unacceptable". If there was to be a second referendum,

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Westminster would essentially have to give its permission for Scotland

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to hold that. Therefore potentially there's an awful what of hard

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negotiating to on between Westminster and Holyrood in the

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days, weeks and months to come. I'm joined by our Political

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Editor Brian Taylor. Nicola Sturgeon yearns for

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independence, her party yearns for independence. If that is to come

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about, it's come through a referendum, but not now and not in

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these circumstances and at this time or in these conditions. They want to

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drive the time and the agenda to make it of their own choice. For

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example, they want to upgrade and update the White Paper, to not

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include the European question, because that has now moved.

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Questions like currency and broad economy and Scotland's standing in

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the world. They want to do that in their own timescale. Two

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possibilities for a referendum in a shorter timescale. One is that

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people are so furious in Scotland about being taken out of the

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European Union, as they would see it and as the SNP would argue, that

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they might turn towards independence. The other perspective

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is that people are so concerned and anxious about the uncertainty

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already present in the UK body politics and consequently in

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Scotland, that they don't wish to add to that turmoil with further

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constitutional change. For that range of reasons, Nicola Sturgeon

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wants independence and knows it requires a referendum, but not now.

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Lots of political uncertainty - and for the economy, too.

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There will have to be new rules negotiated about the movement

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of goods and people between Britain and Europe.

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That's sent shockwaves across markets.

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Our Economy Editor, Dogulas Fraser, has the details.

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Markets didn't expect this. They assumed the vote would be to remain.

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The index of leading shares plunged this morning and recovered to end

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the day 7% down. London wasn't the only one, stocks down across Europe,

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Asia and America and markets closer to home were effected. Almost

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business as usual in Glasgow today. The message from many big businesses

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in Scotland, these firms wanted to remain in the European Union but

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today said they respected the voters' decision and would have to

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adapt. The world's stock markets were shocked and stunned and the

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Bank of England was taking all necessary steps to support

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stability. Business wants to hear that from the government as well.

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The next step for Scottish business is to calm things down. There is an

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uncertain environment at the moment but it's business as usual in terms

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of products, services and people moving around Europe. The next

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priority must be for the UK Government to responsibly and timely

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manage the exit from the European marketplace. In this market many

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were asking traders if prices would go up. The pound was at its lowest

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point in three decades, pushing up the price of an imported car, a

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foreign holiday, and an American visit just got 10% more costly.

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Scottish biggest export, whiskey, could be helped by lower prices

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overseas but distillers have more concerns. We used to benefit from

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the free trade agreements that the EU has and the future benefits of

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those are not clear. Access to the single market in future is not

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clear. We need for this uncertainty to be dealt with as quickly as

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possible. Offshore energy has plenty of problems already. More turmoil

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will not help. It's a global industry, very involved globally and

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investors are global. I don't think it will be a big impact on oil and

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gas but I have more concerned about the impact in the medium-term on the

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UK economy. That's where decisions in other areas will be important to

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get the best deal we can. Apart from the fall in the pound, other changes

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will not be immediate, more likely to come when firms face decisions on

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investment and jobs. Many of these decisions affect firms across

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Britain, those in Scotland have the added uncertainty that another

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independence referendum could be on the way.

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In her address this morning, the First Minister reassured EU

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But for the thousands of EU nationals working and studying here,

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the result means uncertainty and raises questions about how

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Our Political Correspondent Lucy Adams reports.

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Cafe culture, one of the many things the UK has borrowed from the

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continent. With 173,000 EU nationals currently living in Scotland, the

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referendum result has far wider ramifications and raises concerns

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and questions for them and also for Scotland's position overall in

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Europe. A clear message sent out that we don't want immigrants here.

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It might be that we want certain immigrants here. But people might

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think, the UK doesn't want people to go there. I don't know the

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consequence. For me it's like jumping into the dark. There is no

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clear plan about how things are going to be managed. I think many

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people see it as a rejection, unfortunately, at least from my

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friends and what I have observed. For me personally, not, but

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Scotland, because the majority voted to remain, I think that's why people

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see Scotland in a very positive way and still see it as a very welcoming

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place for studying and living. and still see it as a very welcoming

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those jetting off to foreign climes, the result raises questions not just

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about the cost of foreign currency, visas and holidays, but about how

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Scottish people are welcomed by the rest of Europe. We might need a Visa

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to go into certain countries. Maybe walls are put up to go into certain

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countries. I'm more worried about the impact on us here in Scotland at

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and UK people not being able to travel, not being able to travel

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here to the UK to live and work. We managed before and I'm sure we will

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manage again. It will change a lot of things but maybe not holidays

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yet. Favourite imports will continue but freedom of movement and freedom

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of study for EU students and the ability to live and work in any of

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the EU's 27 countries might change, not today or tomorrow, but another

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two years down the line. The billionaire businessman

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Donald Trump has voiced his support for Britain's decision to leave

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the European Union. his golf resort on the Ayrshire

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coast. From there, our business

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correspondent David Donald Trump touching down at

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Turnberry. And flying into a political storm. As Britain votes to

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sever ties with the European Union. I think it's a great thing. I think

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it's going to be great. Are you worried? No, I think it's a

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fantastic thing. The billionaire businessman brought all his usual

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razzmatazz to open the golf course he spent millions to improve and

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named after himself. Indymedia scrum, security was tight for Trump

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the politician. As the presidential candidate he has spilled out

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controversial and sometimes hard-line views, like a blanket ban

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on Muslims entering America. And those guards soon had a job to do,

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as this protester gate-crashed the party. In his hands were a set of

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golf balls emblazoned with a swastika. Donald Trump has made a

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habit of taking the media to his golf courses as he tries to become

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American president. But his timing, arriving here today, is hugely

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significant. He thinks the Brexit campaign won because it led on

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issues like immigration, which are the focus of his campaign for the

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White House. On the votes to leave the EU, Donald Trump was crystal

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clear. People want to take their country back. They want to have

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independence in a sense. You're going to let people you want into

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your country, and people you don't want, or people you don't think

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we'll be appropriate for your country, or good for your country,

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you do not have to take. But on the prospect of another referendum on

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Scottish independence, for once he was sitting on the fence. That's up

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to the people of Scotland. We have been through this. I leave it up to

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the people. I love the people of Scotland. Donald Trump is not

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welcome here! But some of them, don't love him. These protesters

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came to Turnberry to waive Sol tyres and Mexican flags and say what they

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thought of Championship politics. In these troubled times in the world,

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we need to take a stand against individuals who exploit crisis and

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fears to push a horrible agenda that does nothing for ordinary people.

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With this golf resort now finished, the Trump campaign heads off and he

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will try to achieve an upset on the scale of Britain's Brexit result on

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the other side of the pond. Time for the weekend weather

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forecast. It very unsettled day of weather

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across Scotland with some heavy and thundery downpours across much of

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the country. This evening the showers will tent to ease somewhat

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and there will be sunshine around for most of us. Into tonight and it

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will be fairly cloudy across much of the East with showers working their

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way into these areas. Missed and low cloud affecting the Northern Isles,

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and coastal areas. Dry night in the West with clear spells across the

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north-west allowing temperatures fall to around eight Celsius for

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some sheltered Roel parts of the north-west Highlands. It will be a

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fairly humid night with temperatures holding up in double figures.

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Tomorrow we'll start with some dry and bright weather across the

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central coastal areas. Drier in the East. Missed and low cloud turning

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back from North Sea coasts. A mix of sunshine and potentially heavy

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showers in the afternoon. Most of the showers in the afternoon will be

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across southern and central Scotland. Heavy showers, thundery at

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times. Western coastal areas holding onto dry conditions with plenty of

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sunshine around. Across the North and north-east, easing in the

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showers as we had through the afternoon and into tomorrow. Highs

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of around 20 Celsius. The wind will remain light. If you are after the

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Royal Highland show tomorrow, it's looking like a mixture of sunshine

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and showers with highs of 17 Celsius. On Sunday, after a fairly

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dry and bright start, we will see some rain moving in later. Saturday

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evening across Scotland, the showers will tend to EE is with a lot of

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sunshine around to end the day. Sunday, something of a change with a

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weather front moving in from the Atlantic bringing rain.

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Let's get one final thought from our Political Editor, Brian Taylor.

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Brian, is there any way of explaining the difference between

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I think a lot of it is to do with identity. Scotland is a very

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unsettled view of their constitutional future but the sense

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of identity and being Scottish is settled. South of the border is a

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contrast. The good and sensible people of England are concerned on

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three fronts. First they wonder what the Scots are up to. Second they are

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very concerned about immigration and that came through strongly in this

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referendum. Third, they are concerned about the European Union.

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Whereas in Scotland it's seen as an integral part of Scottish identity,

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in England it's not like that, it's seen as something to overwhelm the

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sense of identity, and that difference is what has driven the

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chains. Of course there are opinions both sides of the border, but in

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terms of the preponderance of opinion, I think that sense of

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English identity is driving the difference.

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Now, a reminder of tonight's main news.

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a second independence referendum is now "highly likely".

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in the EU - UK-wide, people voted 52% in favour of leaving.

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Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland faces the prospect of being taken out

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There have been scenes of jubilation among the Leave campaign alongside

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calls for calm before the complicated process begins

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David Cameron has announced he will step down and expects

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to be replaced as Prime Minister by the Autumn.

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There's no indication yet as to who the next inhabitant

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Until then, from everyone on the team, right

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across the country, have a very good evening.

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