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Here on BBC One, it's time for the news where you are.

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On Election Reporting Scotland tonight:

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Scottish Labour launch their manifesto with a cast-iron

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I see like a marriage on the salary I have. I have two go to food banks.

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I aim nurse who can manage. -- can't.

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And the nurse who took Nicola Sturgeon to task in last

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night's TV debate gets an apology on social media.

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Monday's almost over but not before your nightly helping

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of everything you need to know from today on the election

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Another day, another manifesto launch.

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Today, it was the turn of Scottish Labour to launch

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their vision for the country and this one hadn't even been leaked.

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Our political editor Brian Taylor reports.

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Kezia Dugdale concedes pulls apparently pointed to a UK

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Conservative victory while insisting she is fighting to install Jeremy

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Corbyn in Downing Street. She told cheering supporters she deplores the

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Conservative approach to pensioners and benefits, including the revised

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offer on social care in England. The Tories are standing in this election

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on a miserable and mean manifesto that will take our country backwards

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and he went back and get away with it.

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APPLAUSE But how? In Scotland, that partly

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involves a tactical appeal to counter the SNP. They are defending

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56 Scottish seats out of 59. She edged doubters in constituencies

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where a labourer was second to consider turning red again. The

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author, a federal UK and opposition to independence. In these 120 pages,

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you'll find a guarantee that they will oppose a second referendum on

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independence. The Labour Party is built on solidarity and could never

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take our country down that path again. We are divided on. She said

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the key manifesto policy was a living wage of ?10 gallon. -- per

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hour. They will increase public spending with a spin off for

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Scotland. Hull Scotland will see a huge increase in public service

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investment. That figure is around ?3 billion in parliament. Money for

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schools, hospitals and the benefit of being partly the United Kingdom.

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That means higher taxation, although not the Jeremy Corbyn version. The

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Scottish Labour manifesto in involves plans to increase the basic

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rate of business tax, although that is in the hands of Holyrood. At the

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launch, Kezia Dugdale said she was excited by the opportunity presented

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by Labour's manifesto. Here are more details. They propose a Scottish

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investment bank with ?20 billion of resources. The also involve

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high-speed rail to Glasgow and Edinburgh and they will align the

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Trident nuclear gerunds, in alignment with the UK policy, not

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the Scottish policy. Starting in Livingston, that is the package

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Kezia Dugdale will offer voters. Our nightly panel of pundits join me

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now, live in the studio this evening it's Labour campaigner and former

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candidate Cat Headley, the journalist Peter Geoghegan

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and in Edinburgh the political Welcome to you all this evening.

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Thank you for joining me. Cat, first, what lies behind a U-turn

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from the Conservatives on social policy in the middle of an election

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campaign? We saw two day that reason eight, when he is on, she can take

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it. -- Theresa May. We saw this without having the election in the

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first place, national insurance contributions in the budget. This is

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sending a clear message that Theresa May every Prime Minister of the 8th

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of June is actually going to, when the going gets tough, do a runner.

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As she has on the campaign trail. Strong as stable. It would fight

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weak and wobbly instead, doesn't it? In dollars but what is telling is

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that when the manifesto was together, it was a closed room. --

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it does. It works well when the going is good, it is like an echo

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chamber. There wasn't much. When Andrew Gilbert was talking today,

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the policy-making does not work very well under a general election

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environment. In a way, we are just... A group setting, you said,

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they just go and roll with it. It. It unravelled by the end of last

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week. It was not going to be sustainable. These are issues,

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especially around the idea of a dementia tax, it is a general

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phrase. For a larger families, it is relevant to something they are

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dealing with an everyday lives it was going to be unsustainable. The

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much more fundamental question is, how did this come about in the

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birthplace? Added and not get scrutinised before the public

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domain? That is more damaged than the Eugene itself. -- in the first

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place. -- than the U-turn. When it comes to paying foreign social

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provision, the Conservatives need to show courage in the conviction in

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asking for more from better off pensioners. The way they went about

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it was wrong, but was this U-turn a mistake, and the policy itself is

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fundamentally right? I think the policy, as was, and this old thing

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is undeniably messy... But the policy as was was at least the

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beginning of a more responsible discussion about what is a massively

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complex and of course costly problem in intergenerational poverty and the

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cost of social care. The requirement is sometimes to sell someone's house

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to pay for that. That is a discussion we need to have and I

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thought the policy unveiled last week was a beginning of something

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quite promising in that respect but it is obviously political

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kryptonite, there have been a view focus groups since then and the

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prime minister and advisers are obviously panicking on that. -- a

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few. I think we have now taken several steps back. Ivo gives group

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that is obvious is the Cabinet. Do you agree that she did not go

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through the rank process? Patently been the case. It is well documented

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that the prime Minister and her two chiefs of staff, Timothy and Fiona

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Hill, it seems that this simply was not tested. Not only beyond that

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tight circle but crucially without as, members of the public. -- with

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voters. ACAS Ireland guaranteed you never support independence, will

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that be enough to build a Labour revival? Kezia has been very clear

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that it is time to move on, Scotland have had enough. -- A cast-iron

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guarantee. Scottish Labour is very clear that we are against a second

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referendum. It is time to focus on education and the health service

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anti-government have to get back to the day job. The debate last night

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was very clear from the audience members, on the doorstep, the

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independence referendum is a distraction and it is also a

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convenient excuse in relation to the EU because the result was going to

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be something that Nicola Sturgeon will find for the SNP to argue for

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another referendum. If it was not EU, it would be something else. With

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the SNP and independence, and the Tories with the cuts, have they made

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a difference today? In some ways, they hidden stories of the council

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elections, which is a few weeks ago but feels like a few months ago, is

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that Labour did OK, they survived, come out unscathed. The jewellery

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came out in seconds but it was not as bad as it could be. The challenge

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for Labour in a first past the post system is that it is that

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nationalism. The SNP are really a force of nationalism, the Tories are

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not, where the Labour Party fit in? We are going to have any --

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unionism. Are they on the Unionist side? They are probably not going to

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pull off enough. What about with the SNP? And they will probably be able

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to pull a view but not quite. Will they generate multi-? It is

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difficult to look across the country and see where they generate multi-?

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It is difficult to look across the country and see where the seat will

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come from. There is one where it'll certainly struggled to vote. Whether

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these were at an Edinburgh salve, because it is very different to

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these policies, who knows. The prime Minister was interviewed by Andrew

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Neal Elliott today, she refused to take part in your leaders debate.

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You're the one in Edinburgh. -- Andrew Neil. Is it difficult for

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leaders to get the point across? -- the leaders debate in Edinburgh. Of

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course. You heard the nurse Jake the First Minister to chat. We should

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not overstate the impact of the leaders debates, manifesto launches,

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and indeed political campaigns. The average voter will not follow this.

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-- take her to task. They are they are watching this programme. All of

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it has its place but it can be exaggerated. Villagers decided to

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vote on a general mood of candidates, a general impression of

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party, leaders and policies. Very little of this actually cuts

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through. Kezia Dugdale for example had a good night last night, I

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think. Anti-gay, knows journalists thought she did very well at the

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manifesto launch. -- And today, most journalists what she did very well.

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More from the campaign trail coming up, but first Anne Lundon has

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Thousands of investors seeking compensation

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from The Royal Bank of Scotland are taking legal action against

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This morning the case was adjourned for 24 hours

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The shareholders claim they were misled

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over the bank's financial health in the run-up to its near-collapse

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More from our business correspondent Andy Verity.

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Inside this building behind me this morning the courtroom was packed,

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and included among the people were shareholders who were asked to fork

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The bank was trying to raise ?12 billion, the

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biggest ever fundraising at the time done by a UK corporation, and when

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you raise money from your shoulders, you are supposed to tell them what

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they are handing over their money for.

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All the relevant details are supposed to be there, like for

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example how financially strong or weak you are.

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What the shareholders are claiming is that the bank didn't

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tell them relevant information, like for example the fact that executives

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had been telling each other that if they could not borrow from other

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banks, they might run out of money in a day or less.

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The shareholders are irritated now that this has

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taken years to progress, and that the bank has spent

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?110 million of money that comes from you and me,

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taxpayers, fighting this case, only to decide it wants to settle it now.

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One shareholder, Neil Mitchell, gave me his views.

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It is absolutely atrocious that 110 million has been

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booked so far, it will be at least 125 million.

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This is taxpayer money being used to defend litigation

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against their own shareholders, their own customers, which is what

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RBS do in dealing with anyone dares complain against them.

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Now they have decided to adjourn the case for

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a day while they try to continue settlement talks.

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Among the people they are talking to are former employees

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of the bank who are encouraged persuaded to take out shares

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themselves, investing thousands of pounds,

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and of those shares went from ?2 down to 11p.

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They are not happy, and in order for them to be

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settled with, the bank is going to have to go some.

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A former head teacher at a Catholic boarding school in the Highlands has

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gone on trial accused of assaulting boys in his care.

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83-year-old Father Benedict Seed is charged with assaulting

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eight pupils at the now closed Fort Augustus abbey school

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Inverness Sheriff Court heard that the alleged attacks included

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hitting boys with a hockey stick and a spiked golf shoe.

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A man has appeared in court charged with attempting to abduct two young

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girls from a playpark in Falkirk last Friday.

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50-year-old John Bermingham is also accused

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of assault and breaching a Sexual Offences Prevention Order.

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He made no plea during the private hearing at Falkirk Sheriff Court

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Getting back to the campaign trail now - the Liberal Democrats called

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on the SNP to drop their demands for a second independence

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referendum for the sake of Scotland's businesses.

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When the challenge for businesses is so huge with Brexit, the last thing

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they need is even more trade barriers with independence. That's

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why the SNP should call off their campaign for another independence

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referendum. It will damage in this and it is bad already with Brexit.

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-- damage businesses. The SNP picked up on the biggest

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issue of the day - they used Theresa May's apparent

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U-turn on social care to push their credentials as the protectors

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of Scotland's pensioners. Left to their own devices, the

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Tories will take away the triple what protection on pensions and the

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Winter fuel on balance, and impose a dementia tax in England. That says

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to me that, for Scotland, we need the strongest possible voices

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standing up in Scotland's interest and that can only come from the SNP.

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A few hours ago, in a BBC interview with Andrew Neil, Theresa May

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refused to put a figure on the upper limit people will have to pay

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towards the cost of social care, saying it will be

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The Prime Minister has denied going back on her manifesto plan

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to make people in England pay for their care, up to the last

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We're going to publish a green paper, a consultation, so we want to

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take people's views and views of charities and others on how the

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system should be operating. We will have within the consultation that

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concept of an absolute limit on the costs that people have to pay.

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Well, I'm joined by some politicians - tonight the Scottish Labour MSP

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James Kelly is here in Glasgow and in Edinburgh we've got

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the Scottish Lib Dem candidate Christine Jardine,

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the Scottish Conservative MSP Gordon Lindhurst and the SNP

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Welcome to you all. Gordon Lindhurst, you were on the campaign

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trail over the weekend. Just how badly was the social care issue

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going down and does that explain this dramatic U-turn today? I think

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what the Prime Minister did today was clarified the policy and it's

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something that she says will be subject to further consultation. Did

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anybody mention it to you over the weekend? No, what people have been

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saying on the doorsteps is they recognise the need to address social

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care and other policy issues in this area but this particular

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announcement does apply to Scotland, where we have our own set of policy

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considerations. but this has been a massive climb-down in the middle of

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an election campaign. As I said, this only applies to England, but

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the Prime Minister is seeking to clarify things and detail on policy,

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is always something that needs to be clarified and were consultation is

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going to be carried out, that can be done so no, it's not something that

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voters were really overly concerned about in Scotland at the weekend

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when I was out campaigning. Polls seem to be campaigning a bit away

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from you right now. When you look back at this YouTube and social

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care, will you think this was a key moment where the election possibly

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turn for you? I think this election campaign still has two weeks to run

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and I don't think this issue in and of itself certainly in particular in

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Scotland is really something that is going to heavily influenced the way

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voters vote -- influence the way voters bought, so I think one can

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look at it the other way and think that it shows the Prime Minister is

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listening to what people have to say and wants to allay fears that may

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not have a basis. Tommy Sheppard in Edinburgh, elections are made of

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manifestos and moments of last night's readers debate, in stalled

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Nicola Sturgeon that she struggled to afford to live and how to turn to

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foodbanks and was criticised by one of your Westminster colleagues on

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social media and subsequently faced a barrage of abuse as a result.

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There has been an apology on social media to her. Would you like to

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apologise to her on TV? I haven't seen what was said, Stephen, but of

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course I would condemn any abuse of social media, I get it myself, and

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there is no place for that in this election campaign but I understand

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the nurse did raise some important points that go to the heart of this

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election campaign and that is who is paying for Brexit, who is paying for

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its territory, and only the SNP are coming up with a coherent plan to

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challenge austerity at source and decided should be the poor and

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vulnerable in our society who have to pay for that. People shouldn't

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have to continue working and not see an increase in their wages. So

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you're saying it was important for her voice to be had and was wrong of

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your Westminster College to criticise her for what she said? --

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Westminster colleague. I'm not sure what the debate was, but I'm sure my

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colleagues would have acted in good faith with the information they had

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but the information has now been corrected an apology has been made

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and I think it should go on. I think the important thing today is the

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bizarre spectacle of a Labour manifesto for a Westminster election

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suggests income tax should go up for basic rate taxpayers in Scotland but

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not anywhere else in the UK. How on earth do they expect anyone to vote

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Labour in that context? It is quite a bizarre offer to the electorate.

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The SNP wants to see those with broadest shoulders who can afford to

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do so paying more in tax and we want to CNN to two Tory cuts but to be

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transferring them onto the backs of low-paid families in Scotland like

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the nurse last night is not the way of doing it. James Kelly, Scottish

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Labour, your manifesto launched today. Last day Kezia Dugdale

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accused the SNP have been blinded by independence. The headline on your

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press release, Scottish Labour manifesto to oppose another divisive

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referendum. One page mentions independence 11 times. The truth is,

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you're the party that can see past. Greenback we made it clear today

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that at the heart of our proposals is that we are stronger together. We

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are opposed to another independence referendum but what is becoming

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clear in this election is that Labour are winning the political

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arguments and that is because the policies that we are putting forward

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like a ?10 minimum wage, an additional ?3 billion to the

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Scottish budget and taking railways back into public ownership are

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popular policies and that is why Labour has momentum going into this

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final two weeks. Back to independence, it seems to be the

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most important thing for you because it is all over the manifesto today.

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I can much, Jeremy Corbyn said a second referendum was aptly be fine.

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Now we're getting a cast-iron guaranteed never to back

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independence. How does that square? Labour have made it absolutely

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clear, consistently through this campaign, that we are opposed to a

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second independence referendum. Module leader, Jeremy Corbyn! The

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SNP have taken their eyes off the issues they should be concentrating

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on like the crisis in the NHS, the pay cap that the nurse spoke about

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last night and trying to improve literacy and numeracy in our

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schools. I've been on the doors tonight in Rutherglen and those are

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the issues that people are talking about. They don't want another

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referendum and it's time that the SNP got on with the issues that they

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are responsible for. That's what people are saying in this selection.

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Christine Jardine for the Liberal Democrats, we heard in the debate

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last night a very clear choice in the election, the SNP for

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independence and two major parties opposed to independence but with

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different views about how the country should be run. Where does

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that leave any space for the Liberal Democrats? I think you're

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overlooking the fact that Willie Rennie has been absolutely clear

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that we are opposed to independence. There were three major parties last

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eight opposed to it. Not on the basis of the polls, Christine.

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Withered leaves us is, as a party who are the only party in Scotland

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who are pro-UK and pro-EU and want to see Scotland at the heart of the

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UK and the heart of Europe with a strong relationship with Europe. But

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the Labour Party Conservative parties have come down now in favour

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of hard Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn has backed to -- Theresa May's view.

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That puts 80,000 jobs at risk in Scotland. We are the only party

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standing up for a relationship with Europe which will protect those

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jobs. Ruth Davidson said today she would be happy to work with you and

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Labour to form a prounion coalition to force the SNP out of Hollywood.

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Would you work with her? I think what we're seeing across Scotland is

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people deciding for themselves who they would see as the best party to

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vote the SNP alt of the seats for Westminster and that is what we are

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concerned about at the moment. We have an election where it is clear

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that Theresa May is heading towards a victory. So you would work with

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her? I think what we're seeing is that people are deciding for

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themselves how they are going to vote. so would you work with her?

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Our leader has made it clear there will be no coalition at Westminster

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and what we're doing is, we are working for the people across

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Scotland who want to see Scotland at the heart of the UK and the UK at

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the heart of Europe. That's what we're working on. Thank you all of

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you for joining us this evening. Now there's around an hour

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left to get yourself registered if you want to vote

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in this election. I found out earlier

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just how easy it is. This is Sam. She's 22 and doing work

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experience. Sam dropped off the electoral roll after the

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independence referendum. Up to 7 million eligible people across the

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UK are not to vote and this particular -- there is particular

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concern for younger voters. Hondas under-21s have dropped off the list

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since the vote was introduced. But it just takes an address and

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national insurance number to join. Now that that's done, my next

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decision is who to vote for! So if you want to register before

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the midnight cut-off in just one Before we leave you tonight,

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you know that feeling when you are caught doing something

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you shouldn't be doing? This was Foreign Secretary Boris

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Johnson sneaking a look at the questions before

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being interviewed by Fellow Tory Sir Nicholas Soames

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called him a rotter. And that's Election

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Reporting Scotland. Tomorrow on the campaign trail,

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the SNP launch their manifesto. Until then, from everyone

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here, goodnight.

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