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Good evening on Election Reporting Scotland.


We are into the last week of campaigning,


as Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron answer questions from


And the row over policing following the London attacks.


The final week of the election and, from nowhere, it


Following the weekend terror attack in London,


arguments about security dominated today on the campaign trail.


The subject also featured in a special election edition


of Question Time from Edinburgh tonight, featuring SNP


leader Nicola Surgeon and the Lib Dem's Tim Farron.


Our political reporter Andrew Kerr watched the debate


and it started, Andrew, with the issue of terrorism and security?


That is correct. It is the issue everyone is wanting to talk about


today. It dominated the campaign today. The Labour Party leader said


that Theresa May should resign over police cuts. And at the leaders


special, Tim Farron and so the question when it came up regarding


the extra powers the police should maybe be given. He had a different


response. What they want more than anything is the resources to catch


people. But what do the terrorists want others to do? They want us to


turn in on herself and divide ourselves. They want us to give up


our freedoms and we will not do the otherwise the bill have one.


And Nicola Surgeon again faced questions from an audience


The special took place in Edinburgh. Security was uppermost in everyone's


moaned but she did not want a knee jerk response that undermine the


liberties and freedoms we currently have. On an independence referendum,


she was criticised for pushing it by some people. And on her track


record, very critical questions from the audience, particularly around


the question of education. When we come to contest the next Scottish


parliament questions, if I am asking people to vote for me again, I


expect to be judged on that. It is legitimate to be asked that


question. But this week, we are not choosing a Scottish Government, we


are choosing MPs to go to Westminster, and that will determine


whether the funding for schools and education goes up or down.


And one other development tonight, more confusion for Labour,


this time involving the party in Wales?


The Welsh Labour Party did not appear to be singing from the same


song sheet. It is all about the Barnett formula, the formulae used


to distribute money to Scotland, Ireland and whales. They want to


move to evenly spaced formula and the Labour leader in whales says


that there should be a different formula. We put that to the Scottish


Labour Party. They said that our manifesto costings are based on the


Barnett formula and we will not scrap it. The Labour Party singing


from a different song sheet in different parts of the United


Kingdom. Last week, Jeremy Corbyn was seeing very different things


about a second independence referendum than what the leadership


of the Scottish Labour Party were seeing. More too, that I am sure.


More from the election campaign coming up, but first,


the rest of the day's news from Sally McNair.


People in the island communities of Barra and Vatersay came together


today for the funeral of teenager Eilidh MacLeod, one of the victims


Friends and family heard how Eilidh packed "a lot of life"


into her 14 years. Cameron Buttle reports.


A small honour guard walked her to the hearse that


took her home, for one last night, her family.


The McLeod family live in the shadow of the Church


The family gently carried up the hill.


The piper played a well-known Gaelic song, a song that


praises the beauty of a fair-haired Barra girl.


Outside, mourners perched wherever they could.


Added extra ferries and flights to bring people here.


Police estimate that around 1,000 came to pay their respects.


Inside, Eilidh's great-uncle paid tribute.


In contrast to the hate that took her life,


Eilidh's life was, and now stands as,


a testament forever to the world of love, of innocence,


goodness, generosity, kindness and faith.


The priest who led the service said it was important to


remember that Eilidh was a happy girl who


had 14 happy years, and the last few were the happiest


Eilidh was a bubbly, fun-loving girl, a talented girl.


When I met her, I sensed a positive, loving, happy girl.


People were there to remember the tragic part of the decade that


were cut away from a life, many felt, and so that the family could


see that fellow feeling that everybody had, not just in the


island, but in other islands and the mainland.


As the cortege wound round the island, Eilidh was taken over


the causeway to Vatersay, where she moved to back years ago.


It is perhaps best ended with the words her family.


A Fatal Accident Inquiry into the death of a 12-year-old girl


who died when a school wall collapsed, has begun in Edinburgh.


Keane Wallis-Bennett suffered fatal crushing injuries in April 2014,


when a wall in the PE changing room at Liberton High fell on top of her.


The judge in the fraud trial of the former owner


of Rangers Football Club, Craig Whyte, has urged the jury


to "keep cool heads" and take a long, hard look


Mr Whyte is accused of acquiring Rangers by fraud in May 2011.


He denies the charge and a second charge under the Companies Act.


Now back to Stephen. Thanks, Sally.


Rolling coverage of the London terror attacks led to last-minute


Sunday Politics Scotland was supposed to be showing the


last of its leader interviews with Willie Rennie from


Instead, we are screening the interview which Gordon


Jeremy Corbyn has called for the Prime Minister to resign. He says


she has presided over cuts in policing. What do you make of that?


I think it is a rather odd point in the middle of an election campaign


deciding who will be the new Prime Minister. But the central point is


fear. She was Home Secretary for seven years and know she is trying


to find solutions to a problem she has presided over. The cuts in


policing, specifically recently, have been a particular problem,


especially when the terror threat has increased. But we also have


other issues. We are also pursuing mass surveillance. It is costly and


ineffective and does not target based on evidence and that is why I


think there is a valid case that Jeremy Corbyn has made, although


rather odd that he has needed during a general election campaign. She


should go? I would expect the voters to make that decision. You mentioned


mass surveillance. Even the speech that was made yesterday Theresa May


by, are you preparing to support some sort of crackdown which could


be announced over the next couple of days, perhaps even before the


election. Or are you more concerned about civil liberties? We do need to


have a bit of caution at this time. People are very angry and frustrated


and fearful. We need to make sure we protect the cherished Civil


Liberties we all want to keep. Seeing enough is enough is tough,


but what does it actually mean? A lot of people up and down the


country will think, she is right, not enough has been done. If it


means bringing in new rules about detaining suspects for longer by the


police than they can do at the moment. We need to be that on


evidence. But people will say, you can now have evidence. Look at what


happened in Manchester. What you need to have is the solid evidence


that it actually works. This would not last naturally build long-term


solutions. And it could cost something like ?1 billion. I would


rather ?1 billion was spent on keeping us safe rather than having a


fast data stored on the Internet. I do not think that is necessarily the


best way to go about it. We have to think about national security, but


also about civil liberties. The general election, the Liberal


Democrats are going to do very well. Across the United Kingdom, your


claim was you wanted to become the main opposition Party. The manifesto


starts off by assuming, perhaps wrongly, that Theresa May was going


to do much better than she is doing and that the Labour Party would beat


rubbish as an opposition. But it is just not happening at the moment.


You are down at 8% in the opinion polls. Just look at Brexit. What


type of opposition did Jeremy Corbyn provided. He voted with Theresa May


an Nigel Farage. We will see what happens on Thursday. They accept


politicians think that is only one opinion poll that matters, but to


get the Liberal Democrats vote wrong between 8-10%, the opinion polls


would have to be wrong than any opinion poll ever in world history.


I guarantee that no matter how many Liberal Democrat MPs are elected,


they will provide strong opposition. What I am suggesting is that it just


is not working. I doubt if I have ever read a Party manifesto which


gets so drawn in its opening paragraph that we are an election is


going to go. You assumed the Conservative Party were going to win


and that Jeremy Corbyn would be terrible. Neither of these things


have happened. I can tell you it in the key seats in Scotland, we will


do exceptionally well. You said you would be the main opposition to


Theresa May. We will be a robust and effective opposition in the


parliament. We will have more MPs. We will provide the challenge on


Brexit, investment in public services and having available


liberal approach to government. I would like is to be a force in the


House of Commons. I would like that to be as big as possible, but that


is up to the voting public. You have lost your unique selling point in


this election. If you do not want the Conservative Party to get back,


people will vote Labour. If your main issue is that you want to stay


in Europe, it is an awful lot more likely that the Scottish National


Party could have another independence referendum and keep the


country in Europe than the Liberal Democrats winning the election and


having another European referendum. We speak for the majority of people


in this country who oppose a second referendum, who want to have the


second Sea on Brexit, the opportunity to reject a bad deal,


but investing in public services. But the original evidence that


people want a second referendum on Europe. No matter what we think,


when we see the final deal, the British people should have the final


say. It should not be left to just who is in government. We need to


British people to have the opportunity to reject a deal. I


believe we will grow. I have been in many key seats when it is a simple


choice between the Scottish National Party and the Liberal Democrats.


Whether people agree with is not, they do not want a divisive second


independence referendum. But we cannot have a referendum but we want


another European Union referendum? We did have the white paper. All we


had were slogans. Can they reduce something. This is Mr Carmichael,


the Secretary of State for Scotland. He says of the white Paper, people


will draw their own conclusions that the Scottish Pullman have sought to


ignore the uncertainties over independence. We are expected to


believe everything will be perfect after we leave the United Kingdom.


We are told there will be all right on the night. You said about the


independence White Paper that you said about the Brexit one. You said


there was no detail. We rejected that three years ago. I think we


have the opportunity to reject the detail when it is forthcoming on


Brexit. We need to have the final say. We have no detail. The


government did not expect to lose, so there was no detailed plans. The


problem you have is that you are meant to be Liberal Democrats. The


Scottish National Party have the mandate in the manifesto, the


Scottish Parliament has voted to have another referendum. Your link


is even harder than the Conservative Party. You see your MPs would vote


against any section 30 order to have another referendum. That is


anti-democratic. How can you claim the Scottish National Party have no


manifesto? How can be anti-democratic for the Liberal


Democrats to fall through the promise the manifesto. They won the


election, unlike you. They did not win. They lost their majority. If


that happened in the House of Commons, even Tony Blair did not


have a majority in that sense. The Green Party said you would have to


have 1 million signatures on a petition before you could have


another referendum. I think that is why it is quite clear. Liberal


Democrat should follow the manifesto commitment and reject any talk of


the second independence referendum. The talk about Brexit, but any


excuse coming along would be an excuse for the Scottish National


Party. If you had something in your manifesto, you claim you the mandate


to influence things. You could regret that down the road. That is


the mandate that we were given in all the seats we won in the


election. We give a commitment. That is what we are going to do. We will


not go back on a warrant. It has been a depressing tough couple of


days for everyone. We know that if Tim Farron wins this election,


everyone can have a split to celebrate! When you win the next


election, will you legalise cannabis in Scotland? We do not have the


specific ports on cannabis. I will use my position to argue that an


approach to deal with the drugs problem in this country, which is


feeling at the moment. Now, Theresa May has been


campaigning in Scotland today, with security issues central


to the campaign. The Prime Minister has been


defending her record on policing, after Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn


called on her to resign I am articulating what is a deep


anger over 20,000 police officers losing their jobs, firefighters


losing their jobs, ambulance crews being unable to cope under pressure.


We need to look at what she did this Home Secretary.


We predicting overall police budgets in England and Wales and also


ensuring that the police and security services have the powers


they need to be able to deal with the terrorists. So, we have enhanced


the powers available to them. Jeremy Corbin, by contrast, has boasted


that he has opposed every piece of anti-terror legislation since he has


been in Parliament. The Prime Minister speaking in Edinburgh


today. Our nightly panel of


pundits join me now. Tonight, Angela Haggerty,


editor of the Common Space website, security expert


Professor Peter Jackson from Glasgow University


and Michael Blackley, the Political Editor


of the Scottish Daily Mail. The terror attacks in three months,


how big an issue is this likely to be for reporters on Thursday? I


think it will be a bigger issue than it has ever been before. I do not


remember an election where there has been this level of terror, even


during the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland. This close to an


election, this kind of intensity of terrorist atrocities, it is kind of


unprecedented. I think, both parties are urging people to reflect on


which party, both major parties in the UK, which party will keep you


safe. This is going to be playing on people's minds when they cast their


vote. Let's just look at the parties. March 2016, the SNP


abstained from a vote on the so-called snoopers Charter, which


Theresa May said at the time would give our law enforcement and


intelligence agencies the powers they need to keep us safe. Is it


time for the SNP to rethink their position on legislation like this?


They SNP abstained, but there were also a lot of camping goods, civil


liberties groups, warning that this snoopers charter was going to be a


massive clamp-down on civil liberties. -- a lot of campaign


groups. Joanna Cherry did quite a lot of work on this at Westminster


and warned, actually, about the authoritarianism of that bill and


some of the potential risks. I think the SNP has made it quite clear,


Joanna Cherry made it quite clear that there were some things about


the bill that were useful but the whole thing should not necessarily


be thrown out as an idea, there were certainly things within it that


would need to be looked out. The SNP's position should not change on


that. The voters realise that when it comes to security in this


election, they are probably going to be looking at who is your next Prime


Minister, which party will be in government? They are looking to them


for the answers and security, so this has become a massive election


issue suddenly right at the very last minute, but I do not think


necessarily that people are looking towards the SNP's stands on security


as being the big motivating factor for voters in Scotland. The Prime


Minister is difficult ground with those on the home security. As Home


Secretary, she presided over cuts to policing of almost 20,000. The only


place in Britain where police numbers have been maintained is


right here in Scotland under the SNP. She did this quite a lot of


significant questions today from members of the media about police


number cuts, and of course it is an important issue. However, even the


Chief Constable of Police Scotland says that it is old-fashioned to


judge policing just by police numbers. It looks like Police


Scotland will no longer have a commitment to maintain police


numbers. Nicola Sturgeon seems to accept now that it is about how you


deal with the threat, not necessarily about bobbies on the


beat any more. I do not think you can judge the previous Home


Secretary's performance just by police numbers alone. Peter Jackson,


a distributor Kerry for all the parties. Jeremy Corbyn has voted


against anti-terror legislation on 17 different occasions down the


years. Diane Abbott could not even work out how much extra policing was


going to cost. Labour has some questions to answer, no doubt. They


are playing up the cuts, 19,000 whatever, cuts in police numbers as


a way of saying that Theresa May has serious questions to ask. In order


for that action to -- argument to gain traction, it is quite important


that they show that community policing does gather intelligence is


vaulted counter-terrorism. That is an important argument, but it does


come at the last minute and the public will not be able to judge


very clearly on whether or not, you know, the Conservative government is


right that it is the resources you give and powers you give to security


and intelligence and police, or in fact, you know, bobbies on the beat.


Is that important as a source of community intelligence gathering, to


get a feel for communities, gain the trust of communities and to be


someone to which communities can turn if they have concerns? Karim


Angela, final question Time debate tonight from Edinburgh, Tim Farron


and Nicola Sturgeon, two days to go, any major developments for you? It


was like a game off 2/2, the debate. Tim Farron find it very difficult to


justify one referendum on Brexit and opposing one on Scottish


independence. When Nicola Sturgeon came out, she faced opposition from


the audience about the idea of a second referendum. It did highlight


how blurred the lines have become between devolved and Westminster


issues. I think that is going to be an issue for us going forward.


Especially with a live audience! Tomorrow on the campaign trail,


it is all about oil and gas, Join us again tomorrow night


for all that and more. It will stay with you for a good


part of the next 24 hours. It is going to stay cloudy and wet pretty


much across the board. A lot of the drive towards the west coast and


more like showers for the Hebrides. Quite windy on the west and


south-west coast from a northerly direction. That rain straight into


part of the North of England, down towards East Anglia, to the southern


flank. Really high winds down to Manchester down to the Midlands.


Deal for such times. Across Wales under five, showers rather than


rain. Breezy here and certainly, a windy day as well as a wet one.


Quite a cool feeling day. 13, 14 Celsius. It will not feel like that,


especially with the cloud. The rain and the wind. It slowly moves away


and, come Wednesday, it is a brighter day for many of us. Still


quite cloudy and dam across the far north and north-east, but,


elsewhere, dry and bread. Some sunshine and the wind lighter. There


's dry, but there is more rain in the forecast. As we have those the


afternoon, in It was an industry


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