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Good evening on Election Reporting Scotland.
We are into the last week of campaigning,
as Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron answer questions from
And the row over policing following the London attacks.
The final week of the election and, from nowhere, it
Following the weekend terror attack in London,
arguments about security dominated today on the campaign trail.
The subject also featured in a special election edition
of Question Time from Edinburgh tonight, featuring SNP
leader Nicola Surgeon and the Lib Dem's Tim Farron.
Our political reporter Andrew Kerr watched the debate
and it started, Andrew, with the issue of terrorism and security?
That is correct. It is the issue everyone is wanting to talk about
today. It dominated the campaign today. The Labour Party leader said
that Theresa May should resign over police cuts. And at the leaders
special, Tim Farron and so the question when it came up regarding
the extra powers the police should maybe be given. He had a different
response. What they want more than anything is the resources to catch
people. But what do the terrorists want others to do? They want us to
turn in on herself and divide ourselves. They want us to give up
our freedoms and we will not do the otherwise the bill have one.
And Nicola Surgeon again faced questions from an audience
The special took place in Edinburgh. Security was uppermost in everyone's
moaned but she did not want a knee jerk response that undermine the
liberties and freedoms we currently have. On an independence referendum,
she was criticised for pushing it by some people. And on her track
record, very critical questions from the audience, particularly around
the question of education. When we come to contest the next Scottish
parliament questions, if I am asking people to vote for me again, I
expect to be judged on that. It is legitimate to be asked that
question. But this week, we are not choosing a Scottish Government, we
are choosing MPs to go to Westminster, and that will determine
whether the funding for schools and education goes up or down.
And one other development tonight, more confusion for Labour,
this time involving the party in Wales?
The Welsh Labour Party did not appear to be singing from the same
song sheet. It is all about the Barnett formula, the formulae used
to distribute money to Scotland, Ireland and whales. They want to
move to evenly spaced formula and the Labour leader in whales says
that there should be a different formula. We put that to the Scottish
Labour Party. They said that our manifesto costings are based on the
Barnett formula and we will not scrap it. The Labour Party singing
from a different song sheet in different parts of the United
Kingdom. Last week, Jeremy Corbyn was seeing very different things
about a second independence referendum than what the leadership
of the Scottish Labour Party were seeing. More too, that I am sure.
More from the election campaign coming up, but first,
the rest of the day's news from Sally McNair.
People in the island communities of Barra and Vatersay came together
today for the funeral of teenager Eilidh MacLeod, one of the victims
Friends and family heard how Eilidh packed "a lot of life"
into her 14 years. Cameron Buttle reports.
A small honour guard walked her to the hearse that
took her home, for one last night, her family.
The McLeod family live in the shadow of the Church
The family gently carried up the hill.
The piper played a well-known Gaelic song, a song that
praises the beauty of a fair-haired Barra girl.
Outside, mourners perched wherever they could.
Added extra ferries and flights to bring people here.
Police estimate that around 1,000 came to pay their respects.
Inside, Eilidh's great-uncle paid tribute.
In contrast to the hate that took her life,
Eilidh's life was, and now stands as,
a testament forever to the world of love, of innocence,
goodness, generosity, kindness and faith.
The priest who led the service said it was important to
remember that Eilidh was a happy girl who
had 14 happy years, and the last few were the happiest
Eilidh was a bubbly, fun-loving girl, a talented girl.
When I met her, I sensed a positive, loving, happy girl.
People were there to remember the tragic part of the decade that
were cut away from a life, many felt, and so that the family could
see that fellow feeling that everybody had, not just in the
island, but in other islands and the mainland.
As the cortege wound round the island, Eilidh was taken over
the causeway to Vatersay, where she moved to back years ago.
It is perhaps best ended with the words her family.
A Fatal Accident Inquiry into the death of a 12-year-old girl
who died when a school wall collapsed, has begun in Edinburgh.
Keane Wallis-Bennett suffered fatal crushing injuries in April 2014,
when a wall in the PE changing room at Liberton High fell on top of her.
The judge in the fraud trial of the former owner
of Rangers Football Club, Craig Whyte, has urged the jury
to "keep cool heads" and take a long, hard look
Mr Whyte is accused of acquiring Rangers by fraud in May 2011.
He denies the charge and a second charge under the Companies Act.
Now back to Stephen. Thanks, Sally.
Rolling coverage of the London terror attacks led to last-minute
Sunday Politics Scotland was supposed to be showing the
last of its leader interviews with Willie Rennie from
Instead, we are screening the interview which Gordon
Jeremy Corbyn has called for the Prime Minister to resign. He says
she has presided over cuts in policing. What do you make of that?
I think it is a rather odd point in the middle of an election campaign
deciding who will be the new Prime Minister. But the central point is
fear. She was Home Secretary for seven years and know she is trying
to find solutions to a problem she has presided over. The cuts in
policing, specifically recently, have been a particular problem,
especially when the terror threat has increased. But we also have
other issues. We are also pursuing mass surveillance. It is costly and
ineffective and does not target based on evidence and that is why I
think there is a valid case that Jeremy Corbyn has made, although
rather odd that he has needed during a general election campaign. She
should go? I would expect the voters to make that decision. You mentioned
mass surveillance. Even the speech that was made yesterday Theresa May
by, are you preparing to support some sort of crackdown which could
be announced over the next couple of days, perhaps even before the
election. Or are you more concerned about civil liberties? We do need to
have a bit of caution at this time. People are very angry and frustrated
and fearful. We need to make sure we protect the cherished Civil
Liberties we all want to keep. Seeing enough is enough is tough,
but what does it actually mean? A lot of people up and down the
country will think, she is right, not enough has been done. If it
means bringing in new rules about detaining suspects for longer by the
police than they can do at the moment. We need to be that on
evidence. But people will say, you can now have evidence. Look at what
happened in Manchester. What you need to have is the solid evidence
that it actually works. This would not last naturally build long-term
solutions. And it could cost something like ?1 billion. I would
rather ?1 billion was spent on keeping us safe rather than having a
fast data stored on the Internet. I do not think that is necessarily the
best way to go about it. We have to think about national security, but
also about civil liberties. The general election, the Liberal
Democrats are going to do very well. Across the United Kingdom, your
claim was you wanted to become the main opposition Party. The manifesto
starts off by assuming, perhaps wrongly, that Theresa May was going
to do much better than she is doing and that the Labour Party would beat
rubbish as an opposition. But it is just not happening at the moment.
You are down at 8% in the opinion polls. Just look at Brexit. What
type of opposition did Jeremy Corbyn provided. He voted with Theresa May
an Nigel Farage. We will see what happens on Thursday. They accept
politicians think that is only one opinion poll that matters, but to
get the Liberal Democrats vote wrong between 8-10%, the opinion polls
would have to be wrong than any opinion poll ever in world history.
I guarantee that no matter how many Liberal Democrat MPs are elected,
they will provide strong opposition. What I am suggesting is that it just
is not working. I doubt if I have ever read a Party manifesto which
gets so drawn in its opening paragraph that we are an election is
going to go. You assumed the Conservative Party were going to win
and that Jeremy Corbyn would be terrible. Neither of these things
have happened. I can tell you it in the key seats in Scotland, we will
do exceptionally well. You said you would be the main opposition to
Theresa May. We will be a robust and effective opposition in the
parliament. We will have more MPs. We will provide the challenge on
Brexit, investment in public services and having available
liberal approach to government. I would like is to be a force in the
House of Commons. I would like that to be as big as possible, but that
is up to the voting public. You have lost your unique selling point in
this election. If you do not want the Conservative Party to get back,
people will vote Labour. If your main issue is that you want to stay
in Europe, it is an awful lot more likely that the Scottish National
Party could have another independence referendum and keep the
country in Europe than the Liberal Democrats winning the election and
having another European referendum. We speak for the majority of people
in this country who oppose a second referendum, who want to have the
second Sea on Brexit, the opportunity to reject a bad deal,
but investing in public services. But the original evidence that
people want a second referendum on Europe. No matter what we think,
when we see the final deal, the British people should have the final
say. It should not be left to just who is in government. We need to
British people to have the opportunity to reject a deal. I
believe we will grow. I have been in many key seats when it is a simple
choice between the Scottish National Party and the Liberal Democrats.
Whether people agree with is not, they do not want a divisive second
independence referendum. But we cannot have a referendum but we want
another European Union referendum? We did have the white paper. All we
had were slogans. Can they reduce something. This is Mr Carmichael,
the Secretary of State for Scotland. He says of the white Paper, people
will draw their own conclusions that the Scottish Pullman have sought to
ignore the uncertainties over independence. We are expected to
believe everything will be perfect after we leave the United Kingdom.
We are told there will be all right on the night. You said about the
independence White Paper that you said about the Brexit one. You said
there was no detail. We rejected that three years ago. I think we
have the opportunity to reject the detail when it is forthcoming on
Brexit. We need to have the final say. We have no detail. The
government did not expect to lose, so there was no detailed plans. The
problem you have is that you are meant to be Liberal Democrats. The
Scottish National Party have the mandate in the manifesto, the
Scottish Parliament has voted to have another referendum. Your link
is even harder than the Conservative Party. You see your MPs would vote
against any section 30 order to have another referendum. That is
anti-democratic. How can you claim the Scottish National Party have no
manifesto? How can be anti-democratic for the Liberal
Democrats to fall through the promise the manifesto. They won the
election, unlike you. They did not win. They lost their majority. If
that happened in the House of Commons, even Tony Blair did not
have a majority in that sense. The Green Party said you would have to
have 1 million signatures on a petition before you could have
another referendum. I think that is why it is quite clear. Liberal
Democrat should follow the manifesto commitment and reject any talk of
the second independence referendum. The talk about Brexit, but any
excuse coming along would be an excuse for the Scottish National
Party. If you had something in your manifesto, you claim you the mandate
to influence things. You could regret that down the road. That is
the mandate that we were given in all the seats we won in the
election. We give a commitment. That is what we are going to do. We will
not go back on a warrant. It has been a depressing tough couple of
days for everyone. We know that if Tim Farron wins this election,
everyone can have a split to celebrate! When you win the next
election, will you legalise cannabis in Scotland? We do not have the
specific ports on cannabis. I will use my position to argue that an
approach to deal with the drugs problem in this country, which is
feeling at the moment. Now, Theresa May has been
campaigning in Scotland today, with security issues central
to the campaign. The Prime Minister has been
defending her record on policing, after Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn
called on her to resign I am articulating what is a deep
anger over 20,000 police officers losing their jobs, firefighters
losing their jobs, ambulance crews being unable to cope under pressure.
We need to look at what she did this Home Secretary.
We predicting overall police budgets in England and Wales and also
ensuring that the police and security services have the powers
they need to be able to deal with the terrorists. So, we have enhanced
the powers available to them. Jeremy Corbin, by contrast, has boasted
that he has opposed every piece of anti-terror legislation since he has
been in Parliament. The Prime Minister speaking in Edinburgh
today. Our nightly panel of
pundits join me now. Tonight, Angela Haggerty,
editor of the Common Space website, security expert
Professor Peter Jackson from Glasgow University
and Michael Blackley, the Political Editor
of the Scottish Daily Mail. The terror attacks in three months,
how big an issue is this likely to be for reporters on Thursday? I
think it will be a bigger issue than it has ever been before. I do not
remember an election where there has been this level of terror, even
during the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland. This close to an
election, this kind of intensity of terrorist atrocities, it is kind of
unprecedented. I think, both parties are urging people to reflect on
which party, both major parties in the UK, which party will keep you
safe. This is going to be playing on people's minds when they cast their
vote. Let's just look at the parties. March 2016, the SNP
abstained from a vote on the so-called snoopers Charter, which
Theresa May said at the time would give our law enforcement and
intelligence agencies the powers they need to keep us safe. Is it
time for the SNP to rethink their position on legislation like this?
They SNP abstained, but there were also a lot of camping goods, civil
liberties groups, warning that this snoopers charter was going to be a
massive clamp-down on civil liberties. -- a lot of campaign
groups. Joanna Cherry did quite a lot of work on this at Westminster
and warned, actually, about the authoritarianism of that bill and
some of the potential risks. I think the SNP has made it quite clear,
Joanna Cherry made it quite clear that there were some things about
the bill that were useful but the whole thing should not necessarily
be thrown out as an idea, there were certainly things within it that
would need to be looked out. The SNP's position should not change on
that. The voters realise that when it comes to security in this
election, they are probably going to be looking at who is your next Prime
Minister, which party will be in government? They are looking to them
for the answers and security, so this has become a massive election
issue suddenly right at the very last minute, but I do not think
necessarily that people are looking towards the SNP's stands on security
as being the big motivating factor for voters in Scotland. The Prime
Minister is difficult ground with those on the home security. As Home
Secretary, she presided over cuts to policing of almost 20,000. The only
place in Britain where police numbers have been maintained is
right here in Scotland under the SNP. She did this quite a lot of
significant questions today from members of the media about police
number cuts, and of course it is an important issue. However, even the
Chief Constable of Police Scotland says that it is old-fashioned to
judge policing just by police numbers. It looks like Police
Scotland will no longer have a commitment to maintain police
numbers. Nicola Sturgeon seems to accept now that it is about how you
deal with the threat, not necessarily about bobbies on the
beat any more. I do not think you can judge the previous Home
Secretary's performance just by police numbers alone. Peter Jackson,
a distributor Kerry for all the parties. Jeremy Corbyn has voted
against anti-terror legislation on 17 different occasions down the
years. Diane Abbott could not even work out how much extra policing was
going to cost. Labour has some questions to answer, no doubt. They
are playing up the cuts, 19,000 whatever, cuts in police numbers as
a way of saying that Theresa May has serious questions to ask. In order
for that action to -- argument to gain traction, it is quite important
that they show that community policing does gather intelligence is
vaulted counter-terrorism. That is an important argument, but it does
come at the last minute and the public will not be able to judge
very clearly on whether or not, you know, the Conservative government is
right that it is the resources you give and powers you give to security
and intelligence and police, or in fact, you know, bobbies on the beat.
Is that important as a source of community intelligence gathering, to
get a feel for communities, gain the trust of communities and to be
someone to which communities can turn if they have concerns? Karim
Angela, final question Time debate tonight from Edinburgh, Tim Farron
and Nicola Sturgeon, two days to go, any major developments for you? It
was like a game off 2/2, the debate. Tim Farron find it very difficult to
justify one referendum on Brexit and opposing one on Scottish
independence. When Nicola Sturgeon came out, she faced opposition from
the audience about the idea of a second referendum. It did highlight
how blurred the lines have become between devolved and Westminster
issues. I think that is going to be an issue for us going forward.
Especially with a live audience! Tomorrow on the campaign trail,
it is all about oil and gas, Join us again tomorrow night
for all that and more. It will stay with you for a good
part of the next 24 hours. It is going to stay cloudy and wet pretty
much across the board. A lot of the drive towards the west coast and
more like showers for the Hebrides. Quite windy on the west and
south-west coast from a northerly direction. That rain straight into
part of the North of England, down towards East Anglia, to the southern
flank. Really high winds down to Manchester down to the Midlands.
Deal for such times. Across Wales under five, showers rather than
rain. Breezy here and certainly, a windy day as well as a wet one.
Quite a cool feeling day. 13, 14 Celsius. It will not feel like that,
especially with the cloud. The rain and the wind. It slowly moves away
and, come Wednesday, it is a brighter day for many of us. Still
quite cloudy and dam across the far north and north-east, but,
elsewhere, dry and bread. Some sunshine and the wind lighter. There
's dry, but there is more rain in the forecast. As we have those the
afternoon, in It was an industry
bursting at the seams. We exported thread
to the whole world.