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Labour joins the Lib Dems in calling for an extra penny

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on Scottish income tax. Will you vote for that?

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Scottish taxpayers would pay a penny more than the rest of the UK under

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Fresh from the Calais jungle, a French aid worker on conditions

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And we visit Erskine, the town that has being redesigned...

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Labour boldly threw down the gauntlet to the Scottish

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Government today, urging them to add a penny to everyone's income tax

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to protect education and public services.

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Those on less than ?20,000 a year would get an annual

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With the Scottish rate of income tax due to come into effect in April,

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the Scottish Deputy First Minister has pledged to keep payments in line

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Kezia Dugdale says a penny across all abundance of income tax would

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raise almost half ?1 billion and help avoid cuts to education and

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other local services. If we really want a different society and if we

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really want a different economy, we have to pay for it. The Scottish

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Labour leader said the tax increase is a radical alternative to

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austerity and she says the lowest paid will be protected with a rebate

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of ?100 a year for workers and pensioners an annual incomes of less

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than ?20,000. With a Scottish rate of income tax to to come in on April

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the sickness, the Conservatives are criticised any increase, so to have

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the SNP who've described the plan is a tax grab and questioned the

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legality of the scheme. The first time tight control comes to

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Holyrood, the Labour Party tries to whack people for tax. It wants to

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take the hard earned money away. Scottish Conservatives will protect

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paycheques, we do not want people here to be any more tax than they

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would anywhere else in the UK. It is unworkable and unfair and

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progressive. It will hammer people on low incomes in contrast to what

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the SNP Government is doing. The Greens said they do not support a

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penny across all bands because it is not progressive. The Lib Dems are

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the only ported to welcome the proposal. They announced a similar

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policy last week. It is great there is a growing consensus that there is

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an urgent need for investment in public services. We want to invest

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1p on income tax for education. So income tax is shaping up to be a

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real dividing issue for the forthcoming election campaign. Can

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Labour and the Lib Dems convince people a penny for Scotland is

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voting for? Earlier tonight, Kezia Dugdale

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came in to the studio. That other lenders, teacher,

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policeman or council worker in Scotland who will not be paying this

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tax increase. That is Gordon Brown said when the SNP wanted to

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introduce a penny for Scotland. If it is chewed then it is true now.

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Yes, people earning up to ?27,000 will pay a bit more tax. If you

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break down to a weekly basis, teach you who earns 25,000 the year will

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pay ?4 extra a week. I would that that teacher has seen consecutive

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budgets slash education, classroom at disappearing, 4000 fewer

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teachers, the gap between the richest and poorest kids is wider

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than it has ever been, I think there can as there is a legitimate choice

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to be made here. You want to invest in education but your taking money

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away from teachers however helping? This is a substantial investment

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into the next generation of young people. If we choose to use the

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powers of the Scottish Parliament to chart a different course from Tory

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star rating, this tax would raise ?480 million, that is directly from

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-- Interpublic services that can make a material difference to

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Scotland's future. But you do not deny that low and middle earners

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will be bearing the brunt? I refute that low earners will be paying a

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penny more tax. ?20,000 is a high wage. That is the point, anyone who

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earns a less than that for not only only pay a penny of additional tax,

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they will be better off as a consequence of this policy. That is

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a profoundly good thing. There is a debate to be had about tax, some

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people may not want to pay more. If we seriously want to chart a

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different course from Tory as critic, we now have the power in

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Scotland to do that. Why not just raise council tax if this is about

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local services? Because income tax is fundamentally more progressive.

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The more you earn, the more you pay. But this is a bit of a blunt

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instrument, not as progressive as the new tax powers. The more you

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earn, the more you pay. So I will pay ?481 more a year, the First

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Minister, ?447 more. That is amazing progressive and fair. If we want to

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chart a different course from austerity that we have to do this,

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otherwise we are choosing to accept Tory austerity. We have been told

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for decades and more powers means fewer cuts, if the SNP refused to

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match this policy, then these SNP cuts, because they are a choice of

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the SNP will have made in their budgets tomorrow. John Swinney says

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he will not increase tax for low and middle income earners. He will

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operate the living wage, but not increase tax the people and ?20,000.

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He also said he wanted a fairer and more progressive system of tax. As

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would I. Hopefully be me get this: Bill Powers we will be able to do

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that. But that will not come in and all 2017. If we wait until then,

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that is another two years of cuts, totalling ?1 billion of additional

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cuts. These are still to come. What I am saying is that we cannot afford

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to put education, we cannot afford to cut into the future of our

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children. It is a clear choice we can make, by paying a little more

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tax, we can invest in the future of our children and public services and

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that the latter is a profoundly good social policy and the great economic

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one as well. How this rebate work? Councils would administer it and

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presumably it is means tested? We have said councils of the best bits

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of this. Various SNP ministers have lined up to Sage is not possible.

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That is nonsense. It happens already. The best example is a

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discretionary housing payment, we make sure no one in Scotland pays a

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bedroom tax. But you had to bust legislation for that. But it shows

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the power is absolutely there. What is lacking is political will from

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the SNP. Have you cost and how much this will take in terms of admin the

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councils? It is ?1 million. That is a reasonable cost. We can already do

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this with discretionary housing payments, when the SNP but both 's

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and admin costs were 1.8 million. I'm suggesting tonight that you

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wouldn't need a brand-new system. The mechanism is there, so the admin

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would be lower. Do not lose sight of the wider picture. This is a direct

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choice we have two invest in public services. I say let's invest in

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public services and chart a different course. This is an easy

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promise to make when the polls say you have no chance of winning. Isn't

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this trying to be blue water between you and the SNP? I fundamentally

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reject that. I am doing this because it is the right thing to do. I have

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other journalists ask me today if this is a big gamble. I refute all

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of that, I am doing this because I cannot any longer accept a situation

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where the price of austerity is paid by the next generation of children.

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It does nothing to do with election prospects, it is the right and

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decent thing to do. A quick question on Europe. Now we have seen

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Cameron's proposal, would you be happy with a June referendum? I

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would we have a June or September. We need a decent amount of time to

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make a case for why Europe is a force for good in our lives.

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Kezia Dugdale speaking with me earlier.

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now the long-awaited draft deal on EU reform is written,

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David Cameron will embark on a whirlwind charm offensive

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to try to get the signatures of the 27 other EU leaders.

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Here, campaigners to leave and to remain in the EU each claim

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Cameron's piece of paper backs their case.

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Joining me now is our Westminster Correspondent,

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Good evening. We heard Kezia Dugdale said she would be happy with the

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June referendum. The SNP not so happy? I think there is a bit of

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around brewing. What says -- today but I could deal means is that David

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Cameron can speak to the European leaders, broker a deal in February

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and bring that June referendum. The date a lot of people in Westminster

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are preparing for is the 23rd of June. That is seven weeks after the

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Scottish Parliament election. Recently, we have heard some figures

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in the SNP say a six-week period would be a minimum after the

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Scottish Parliamentary election they would be happy with a referendum.

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What started to happen is the message is hardening. Angus

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Robertson said today they would be happy with any referendum in June at

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all. That is backed by some of the Welsh part is, by the DUP and the

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SDLP in Northern Ireland. They also say it is too close to local

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elections there. What is likely to happen in the next few weeks is that

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if David Cameron does opt for an EU referendum in June, I think you will

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pass through Parliament, but there will be a row with constituent parts

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of the UK. Now as for the draft proposals themselves, do you think

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Cameron's set out what he wanted to do? Will they be enough to win over

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any Eurosceptics? It depends what your views were before David Cameron

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went into renegotiation. Some will be happy with what he has achieved

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today, someone will say it does not go far enough. If you take the issue

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of the emergency brake on in work benefits for EU migrants, that is an

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issue camera brought up in the Conservative manifesto. He said he

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wanted a banner, that is on the deal today. But the devil is in the

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detail there, there are shortcomings Eurosceptics will bring up time and

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time again in the weeks to come. It is not actually a banner on EU

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migrants receiving in work benefits, it is a cuts. So over the first

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four-year period they are in the UK, the benefits they receive will

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gradually increase, we do know the percentages of the formula, but it

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is not an overall banner. This idea of a red card that would allow

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national parliaments to veto European legislation again, it is in

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the deal today, David Cameron can point to that and say I have

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achieved what I wanted. Eurosceptics also the threshold is too high. It

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is not significantly different from the yellow card system that is

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currently in place. There were rabbits out of a hat today, David

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Cameron got some unexpected advances on curbs on terror suspects within

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the EU .com on things like Sham marriages. They will be able to

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point these things and say they are significant renegotiations and a

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good deal for Britain. But there are other things Eurosceptics can get

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their teeth stuck into a state is not enough. You. -- thank you.

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Now to a European problem without resolution.

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In September last year, Medecins Sans Frontieres,

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an organisation usually associated with some of the world's most

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dangerous and intractable conflicts, launched relief activities

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The influx of refugees and migrants there has left local authorities

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Tonight, straight from a talk at Glasgow University,

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I am joined by Michael Neuman, an adviser for Medecins Sans

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Frontiere on operations with migrants.

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Good evening. We usually think of Medecins Sans Frontieres working

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with famines, in armed conflicts. What brought you to Calais? The

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situation is despairing. We know most of the places the migrants have

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come from. We know some of the reasons why they have come up. We

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can only witness the total desperation of the situation. Bubba

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the state is overwhelmed, but it is totally unwilling to act on that

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situation. You think there is more they can do? Certainly. We are

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talking about population of about a few thousand. We look at the influx

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of refugees who came to Europe last year, it is about a million people.

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Eight and a thousand came to Germany. -- 800,000. Tell me about

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the conditions you found there. You have people living on the sand, in

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very basic tenants. Inadequate water supply, very little food. We have

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been tried to provide health care to these people, together with our

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organisation, but most of the work that has been done in the past few

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months has been the work of volunteers, local groups and our

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association. Many of these people have come from the United Kingdom.

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The French government needs to address the needs of some women,

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children, adults, in these dire conditions for up to six to nine

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months. How do you as a Frenchman feel about this happening in your

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country? I have had experience before with the organisation for the

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past 16 years in very different places. In other places, I phoned

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that the Russian authorities were taking better care of the citizens

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in the lakes of Chechnya. It says a lot about my reaction and feelings

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about how my state allows these people to be left in the situation.

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What sort of help is your organisation being able to offer? We

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have been able to provide an adequate level of to these people.

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We have been providing shelter, as shelter, as well as legal

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counselling who are looking for a solution. The do not want to stay

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there. They see the situation as transient. Most of them want to

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reach the United Kingdom, so they are looking for a means of legal

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advice and counsel, so we help with that. And we have been working with

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the local municipality to move about 2500 migrants from the small place

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the 11 to a better camp. But all that is insufficient and will not be

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enough. There needs to be, of course, with any humanitarian

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situation, a political solution. It needs to be resolved, both from

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London and from Paris. Thank you very much for joining us.

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In the 1970s, as the age of the New Town had changed many

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parts of Scotland, Erskine on the River Clyde was transformed

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from a 100-year-old hamlet to a larger, modern town.

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And many say that is really the last time it changed at all.

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Now, Renfrewshire Council is trying to engage people

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In 1971, the Erskine Bridge was in which they shape the development

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In 1971, the Erskine Bridge was officially opened by Princess.

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In 1971, the Erskine Bridge was an exciting moment for the region 's

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history and help pave the way for the local tone of this evening. And

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it decade since it was established, not up huge that has changed about

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Erskine. People want to still live here, but are there fewer reasons to

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stay question mark. That is something the local council want

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stay question mark. That is address. Renfrewshire Council wants

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to regenerate it... Giving local residents are big sea. That has not

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always been the approach in the past. I used to work for the Council

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many years ago. I was involved in planning. We would do plans and

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nothing would ever happen. Urban planner Nick says he has been

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surprised by their reaction. It has been great and very surprising. I

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rather been great and very surprising. I

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Erskine, being a new tone, they may not be much community spirit here.

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But I was completely wrong. All these people in the room sure

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there's a lot of community spirit. Residents working to get involved,

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even though that is a degree of scepticism. We have been advised by

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Renfrewshire Council that visitors from Erskine health to all the

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expectations, but we want to see justice for the tone. There has been

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a lot of projects which field. I would just like

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a lot of projects which field. I fantastic massive one. Do you

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a lot of projects which field. I they can deal of? It depends. We can

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have our dreams, they can deal of? It depends. We can

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that projects like the one in a Erskine could turn into a big public

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relations exercise? That is what we are trying to avoid. We are talking

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to the community and getting their ideas. The deputy leader of the

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council says he can understand why some locals are pessimistic. I

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understand the cynicism about politicians and politics. The

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reality is that I think working alongside communities, shaving

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problems and being honest about not immediately having resources

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available, it is an honest place to start. It is clear residents of the

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Erskine of ambition for the tone. By asking them to get involved, the

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expect the local council to deliver. Our reporter Ian Hamilton headed

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down to London recently. Given it was the first

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time his guide dog Renton had travelled on a plane and Renton

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is not what you would call petite, they decided to capture

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the journey on a phone. The resulting film was uploaded

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to Facebook this morning and, if you are not among the 45,000

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who have viewed it so far, This will be made gay dog 's first

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flight and an evil plane. A big dog in no clearly big space. We are

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heading for a meeting at New Broadcasting House. I am at Glasgow

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airport. We are waiting to through security. Insecurity, the check

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under the harmless of Renton, to make sure he was not trying to

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smuggle anything. While we were being searched giving the security

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people a good sniff? And the departure lounge, we were informed

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we would get put onto the aircraft first, to give the dog came to

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settle. But as you can see, this piece he was going into was not all

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that big. I must say, the crew were excellent and rough for more

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interested in the dog is wealthier than Maine, which is feeding off I

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suppose! And to mark the occasion, he was given his wings. Since a

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victim, people have been asking if Renton was frightened about taking

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off and landing? No, he just lay down and went to sleep. That was

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just his first flight and he was just a scam on the return journey. I

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will not hesitate to take on a flight once again.

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That was reporter Ian Hamilton and his guide dog Renton,

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Joining me now to discuss some of the day's news are the model

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and actress Eunice Olumide and the journalist Paul Gilbride.

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Welcome to both of you. Let us talk to you first about that 1p income

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tax proposal. How would you both feel about that? No. It is one of

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those things where your automatic reaction is definitely not. If you

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can justify what it is going to be spent on, that could potentially be

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a justification. I do think that people in general are becoming much

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more sceptical about taxation and that is because you see a lot of

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companies, that is in reference to corporation tax, the likes of

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Google, Starbucks and other companies who work out ways that the

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come across as making a lot less profit than the actually do by using

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offshore accounts. So, you think people may say, why should we be

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paying? Yes, I think it has to be very justified for people to agree.

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We have Kezia Dugdale seen he thought -- she thought teachers

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would be happy to pay more if it was being invested in schools and local

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services. Possibly if they have any vested interest. But most people

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involved full zero. This not closely at about whether Labour will make

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people pay more taxation. This is about them trying to put clear red

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water between themselves and the Scottish National party. This is not

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so much about positioning themselves to win more seats, it is about them

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trying to save some. Trying to get back some of these voters who

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deserted them in the general election. Is it otherwise move

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trying to push the Scottish National party back into the same corner as

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the Conservatives? Yes, it is a clever move, but will it attract a

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lot of new voters to the party? Probably not. It is very clear for

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the money is going, will that help persuade people? As I said before,

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it is imperative that people know what is happening to the money, we

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get is being spent. It is only in that situation that people will feel

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comfortable about that and I think that is only fear. And remember, the

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1p for Scotland from the Scottish National party did not work out so

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well? No, but again, it seemed a good idea at the time. Gordon Brown

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was the Chancellor at the time. If we look at John Smith in 1992, we

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were a nation waiting for the Labour Party to form the next government.

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It did not happen because the party was not trusted on taxation. It does

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not have a good record. Letters move on to David Cameron and the European

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Union deal. It could pave the way for a referendum in June. Needless

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to say, Nigel Farage was not impressed. This package is hardly

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worth talking about. It was pathetic. There's not one single

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poor comeback the United Kingdom. There is no possibility of us

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controlling our borders. Will that swing it for a lot of people,

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controlling the borders? I think a lot of people have made up the

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remainder of this topic already. I think people will be influenced by

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certain aspects of what David Cameron has achieved not achieved.

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For me personally, I do think it is good to see that -- save the

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European Union. Whether we think it is a good thing about bad thing, it

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is important to be part of, so that we can help to encourage more

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positive direction and perhaps even lead in a more positive week. And we

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that is beneficial for Europe and beneficial for countries with the

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European Union. If you are against is staying and the European Union,

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this will not change of opinion and if you were for it, you look for it

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anyway. There is no substance from what he has brought back. It is a

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fig leaf to give waverers within its own cabinet and partly an excuse not

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to step out of line and back button scheme. I think external factors

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will dictate whether Britain votes to stay in the European Union. If it

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is held in June, the polls say -- the opinion polls appear to show

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that people will vote to stay in. If it is left later, that could be a

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factor. I want to talk about happiness. A new survey says that

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65-79 -year-old are the happiest of all in the United Kingdom. It said

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young people along with the retired having more satisfaction. Do you

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feel that is true? I think it is. I think when you get to the final team

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in your life, you have been set through so much, you appreciate

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life. It is one of the things we make the lacking is an appreciation.

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We do have a lot learnt when we live in a society as connected as we do

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and you can see other people make up more than you, you focus rather than

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focusing on being grateful for what you have actually got. That could

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lead to anxiety and feeling like you are not doing as well as you

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actually are doing. We are just about to run out of time, but any

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tips for contentment? Do not worry about things that keep you awake at

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night. That sounds like very sensible advice.

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That is all from us tonight. Thank you for watching.

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I will be back at the same time tomorrow night.

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