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CHEERING No to independence: Scotland makes | :00:08. | :00:16. | |
its decision and chooses to remain part of the UK. 55% of voters said | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
no to that question, " should Scotland be an independent country?" | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
Turnout was at a record high. Alex Salmond urges Yes supporters not to | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
be downhearted and hailed the record turnout in the referendum as a | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
triumph of the democratic process. We started well and on the distance, | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
we have followed short. But let us look at the distance we have | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
travelled and have confidence that the movement is abroad in Scotland | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
that will take this nation forward and we shall go forward as one | :00:50. | :00:57. | |
nation. After the promises made during the campaign, the result of | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
the referendum needs major changes that the way Scotland, England, | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
Wales and Northern Ireland are governed. To those who voted for | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
independence, we hear you. We now have a chance, a great opportunity | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
to change the way the British people are governed and change it for the | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
better. I am Gavin Esler in Holyrood on the day Scotland decided its | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
destiny. We will have all the reaction here, across Scotland and | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
the rest of the UK. The answer is no but that does not | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
mean no change. We will look at what happens next. | :01:35. | :01:55. | |
Hello and a very good morning from Holyrood. The people of Scotland | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
have spoken. They have voted no to ending more than 300 years of union | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
in the UK. First Minister Alex Salmond has conceded defeat, calling | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
on all of Scotland to accept the result. David Cameron said he was | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
delighted, and the debate was now settled for a generation. He | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
promised a new and fair devolution settlement for all parts of the UK. | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
He said millions of voices in England must now be heard. Here are | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
the results in detail, with all council is now declared. The No | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
campaign got 55% of the vote against 45% per the Yes camp. Turnout was a | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
record 86.4%, with over 3.5 million people turning out to cast their | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
vote on this historic occasion. Only four council areas voted yes, | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
although that included Scotland's largest city, Glasgow and a win in | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
Dundee. All 28 other areas voted no, including Edinburgh, ice and Alex | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
Salmond's own constituency of Aberdeenshire. Iain Watson watch as | :02:58. | :03:06. | |
the results came in. -- Fife. They are shouting yes but they have spent | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
most of this campaign saying no. With all the results now in, | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
supporters of Better Together celebrated Scotland rejecting | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
independence. Their mood was in stark contrast to his, the leader of | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
the Yes campaign, Alex Salmond, about to concede defeat as he left | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
Aberdeenshire. By the time he had arrived in Edinburgh, the brave face | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
was back. He decided to accentuate the positive. Thank you to Scotland | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
for 1.6 million votes for Scottish independence. He called on his | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
supporters to accept defeat. I accept the verdict of the people. I | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
call on all of Scotland to follow suit and except the democratic | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
verdict of the people of Scotland. -- and accept. The leader of the | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
Better Together campaign declared that a no vote did not mean no | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
change. As we celebrate, let us also listen. More than 85% of the | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
Scottish population has voted. People who were disengaged from | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
politics have turned out in large numbers. In Downing Street, the | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
Prime Minister promised more devolution for Scotland, Wales and | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
Northern Ireland but said the question of independence had been | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
decisively answered. Now the debate has been settled for a generation, | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
or as Alex Salmond has said, perhaps for a lifetime. There can be no | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
disputes, no reruns. We have heard the settled will of the Scottish | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
people. But he suggested as a prize of more devolution for Scotland, | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
Scottish MPs might have fewer rights at Westminster. We have heard the | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
voice of Scotland and now the millions of voices of England must | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
also be heard. The question of English votes for Inga Shores, the | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
so-called West Lothian question -- English laws, requires a decisive | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
answer. The first council to declare, Clackmannanshire in central | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Scotland, set the tone with a majority rejecting independence. No, | :05:10. | :05:19. | |
19,036. CHEERING And the voters in Highland, the last | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
council to give a result, gave the same answer. No, 87,739. The Yes | :05:23. | :05:31. | |
campaign got the consolation of winning in Glasgow, Scotland's | :05:32. | :05:43. | |
largest city. Yes, 194,000. No, 169,347. Turnout has been high, from | :05:44. | :05:52. | |
75% in Glasgow to more than 90% in sterling. There were high spirits at | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
the No campaign when they heard a majority of voters I decided to | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
embrace the union and voted for Scotland to stay in the UK. | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
About 20 minutes ago, the chief accounting officer, Mary Pitcaithly, | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
delivered the final official declaration. | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
The total number of votes cast in favour of each answer to the | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
referendum question, for the whole of Scotland is as follows. Yes, | :06:19. | :06:31. | |
number of votes, 1,617,989. No, number of votes, 2,001,926. There | :06:32. | :06:44. | |
were 3429 rejected papers. The reasons for rejection are as | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
follows. Want of an official Mark, 16 papers. Voting in favour of both | :06:49. | :06:57. | |
answers, 691 papers. Writing or mark by which the voter could be | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
identified, 168 papers. An marked or void for uncertainty, 2554 papers. | :07:04. | :07:14. | |
Mary Pitcaithly, who admitted before the vote she was slightly nervous it | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
would go without a hitch and indeed it did. As expected, there has been | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
a huge amount of reaction here in Scotland, across the UK and abroad | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
to the result. The mayor London, Boris Johnson said the outcome was a | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
great day for Britain and a fantastic day for British | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
democracy. Ukip leader Nigel Farage writes to Scottish MPs, asking them | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
not to vote on English issues, which is something we will hear about a | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
lot during the course of today. NATO Secretary General said he is | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
confident the UK will continue to play a leading role in keeping the | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
alliance strong following the result. So how did we get to this | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
result? Jeremy Vine has taken a closer look. | :07:54. | :08:01. | |
Yes on 45%, no of 55%, a clear 10% margin for the No campaign, wider | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
than anything the polls were telling us in the fortnight running up to | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
this dramatic day and night of voting and counting. Let me show you | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
the map of Scotland after this result. We have coloured in the | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
areas where the No campaign won the vote in red. You can see the four | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
areas where the Yes campaign was ahead, Glasgow and surrounding | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
areas, Dundee in the north-east. But largely, the map is coloured in red. | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
If I take you back to the 32 council areas in which the voting was | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
counted, you can see it is awash with red with so many councils, | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
looking for the four green ones and if I order them, we will find them. | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
Glasgow, the biggest, and North Lanarkshire, another big council. It | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
was not enough. Edinburgh, five, South Lanarkshire and Aberdeenshire, | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
the other huge councils went with no. The first results we had came in | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
on the smaller councils like Clackmannanshire, Shetland, Orkney | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
all coming in early in the evening and all going with no. It was quite | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
some time before Dundee city became the first yes. After this | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
extraordinary night, I can show you a spread of these council areas. No | :09:26. | :09:33. | |
on this side and yes on this side. It illustrates, we won't call it a | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
whitewash, this margin, but it is certainly a very convincing victory | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
for those who argued that Scotland should stay in the UK. Look at these | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
four councils, the yes votes. Dundee, West Dumbarton share, | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
Glasgow and North Lanarkshire, the only four out of 32. Rundown with | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
me, and you can see the other councils, you can see the margins | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
increasing as you come down here, until we get to the councils which | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
voted no most decisively. Scottish Borders, Dumfries Galloway, | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
conservative leaning, on the border with England, Orkney and Shetland, | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
the island councils. This was convincing, as you can see, in the | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
end, only four council areas going with the arguments of those who said | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
Scotland should leave the UK. Let's have a look at what the | :10:21. | :10:30. | |
newspapers are saying. Most of them, perhaps all the ones I've got, went | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
to bed before we got the final result but we got a nod as to how it | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
was going to go. The Scotsman has, "the nation speaks". The Times has, | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
"no camper digs victory". -- camp predicts victory. This will be one | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
of the themes of today, "now we must pull together". There will be a | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
church service of reconciliation over the weekend. " Churchmen and | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
leaders call for the nation to unite". The interesting thing will | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
be discussing the future devolution package whether Alex Salmond and the | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
SNP will be part of it, or if they wait to see what Westminster comes | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
up with and then agrees or reject it. The Daily Mail has Andy Murray | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
facing a backlash for supporting Yes. But the main headline is, "a | :11:18. | :11:25. | |
new dawn for Scotland". The daily record has a picture of a young | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
child, perhaps not surprisingly, whose future will be determined by | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
this vote. The daily Star says, "reunited we stand". And the sun has | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
a man holding a placard saying, "the beginning is night". We're not sure | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
if he has inside information but Norman Smith might have. Your | :11:48. | :11:55. | |
thoughts about the result first. I am at the rally that the Labour | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
Party are holding, a very relieved Labour Party, after their vote held | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
up much better than expected in some of the West Coast constituencies. Ed | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
Miliband will be coming in any moment now. APPLAUSE | :12:07. | :12:18. | |
His message we understand will be recognising that the Scottish people | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
have voted but also, he will be stressing that in the constitutional | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
changes that are now going to take place, they must be driven by the | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
people and not by the politicians. It has to be a grass-roots change. | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
It cannot be Westminster simply imposing change on the Scottish | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
people. That will be part of his message today. Presumably also they | :12:37. | :12:46. | |
will be paying tribute to Gordon Brown's contribution, rather late in | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
the day, some people thought, but he made what many believe was one of | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
the greatest beaches of his life in the past week. -- greatest speeches. | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
There is no doubt that Gordon Brown's intervention was pivotal | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
insuring up the Labour vote. I went to a few of his rallies and it was | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
extraordinary, the way he galvanised and motivated Labour Party support. | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
There was a worry that because Alex Salmond had sought to present the | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
SNP and independence as opening up the option of a more socially just | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Scotland, that might lead to a haemorrhaging in Labour support. | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
Gordon Brown was brought in in the latter stages of the campaign, and | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
you sense that really started to reverse it, solidifying the Labour | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
vote with a much more traditional message. I suspect he will be viewed | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
as one of the savers of the union, certainly one of the people who | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
managed to stop many Labour voters going to the SNP. This is Joanna | :13:44. | :13:52. | |
Lamont. Just to say, firstly, thank you everyone, very much for | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
everything you have done to get us as secure as a result as we got | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
yesterday. -- as secure a result. Duminy people to mention but all the | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
politicians all know how much they did to deliver this result. I | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
particularly want to thank all of our activists. We have done a | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
fantastic job over a huge amount of time, under the greatest pressure, | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
to make sure that our message of why Scotland should vote no got out into | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
all beginning at ease. I particularly want to thank our young | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
activists because they were absolutely in the front line. We | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
know how difficult and divisive this debate was but right through all of | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
this, you carried yourselves with dignity, pride, passion but never | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
became partisan. It is that sense of commitment that we need to take | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
forward into the next few years. I also know this was a huge job for | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
Scottish Labour. We agreed to work with other parties but much of this | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
campaign was driven by the Scottish Labour Party. As well as that, we | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
were blessed that we came together as a Labour family from right across | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
the UK, to make that case. We were strengthened by the solidarity and | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
community am across our movement, -- right across our movement, giving | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
expression to the solidarity we see in the UK. It was our unity and our | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
strength and I want to thank everyone of you for coming and | :15:19. | :15:19. | |
supporting us in this huge campaign. Yesterday. Everybody in this country | :15:20. | :15:36. | |
voted for Scotland. It was not a No win or a Yes loss. It was the | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
democratically decided position of the people of Scotland that we would | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
stand united in the United Kingdom. That is what the people have decided | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
and that is what we need to work with. We know it was a challenge. We | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
know that people tested these arguments back and forwards, and | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
when we look at this result, we know that it is time to celebrate the | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
strength and energy of our campaign. But we also know it is a time of | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
reflection, because it did divide our communities. There are people | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
across Scotland now who are hurting, who have fought hard campaign as we | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
did, but were on a different side. In this coming period, we must | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
ensure that we conduct this debate in as respectable away as possible | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
and in a way that reaches out to people, who are asking the same | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
questions as asked but are coming to a different conclusion. This is a | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
time to savour but not to be triumphalist. It is a time to | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
reflect, to lick our wounds, to realise there are challenges but not | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
to despair, because Scotland has made a decision. I have to also | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
recognise in this position that we have got to, we should recognise the | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
achievement of Alex Salmond, his lifetime passion getting to a point | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
where this decision was made democratically, with a massive | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
turnout and a massive engagement of the people of Scotland. We know that | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
he and Nicola Sturgeon carried that campaign and drove that campaign and | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
we understand that they will be hurting today. I raise to them both | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
this commitment and this challenge, that in this next period, we need to | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
come together. We understand, all of us, the importance of change in | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
Scotland. We only need to look at what happened in Glasgow, to know | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
that when people were voting yesterday, they were voting for | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
change. Not just words, not just promises, but change absolutely | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
delivered. That change will come all the better, all the stronger, if we | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
draw on the energy and excitement and passion that people displayed | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
over the last period, regardless of whether they were voting Yes or No. | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
Our challenge will be to reach out, will be to open out our thinking | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
beyond ourselves, way beyond politicians to people who understand | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
the challenges that they face in the real world. This is my absolute | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
commitment as the Labour Party leader. We are not retreating to | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
barracks. We are not moving back to speak simply amongst ourselves. You | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
are not hanging up your trainers, you are out there campaigning, | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
meeting and critically listening to people about the change that they | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
desire and the change that we can deliver. That is the challenge for | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
all of us in the next period, to draw on that energy and make it real | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
for people. It is fitting, I think, that we are here in the Emirates | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
building, this fantastic building, created and built by the Labour | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
Council for the people of Glasgow, but borrowed by the Commonwealth | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
Games. It is fitting because when six weeks ago, the people of the | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
world look to Scotland, they saw an open, modern, out with looking, | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
passionate but not partisan Glasgow and Scotland. We have all been | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
troubled in the last period, but when the world was looking at | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
Scotland and looking at Glasgow in the last period, they saw division, | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
they saw rancour and also energy and hope. They saw all of these things. | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
The challenge is, if at the time of the Commonwealth Games we were able | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
to come together, we were able to celebrate and be passionate without | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
being partisan, we can do that again. We can deliver change, we | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
will deliver the powers to the Scottish parliament that will give | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
its strength. But we will also sustain our stability of the United | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
Kingdom. We also know that politics and Scotland will never be the same | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
again. We will all be charged with taking the energy of the last | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
period, and making that political change in the way that we work and | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
campaign, and the way that we listen to people. This place is a symbol of | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
a modern, alt would looking Scotland and a country yearning for change. | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
We are critical in delivering that and I look forward over the next | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
period, when we have all rested, when we have all recognised that the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
decision has been made, how do we deliver the powers but also, how | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
would we make the Scottish parliament and Scottish politics and | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
the debates through all the political institutions be about | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
people's real lives? I know we will rise to that challenge. We have | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
achieved immense things together. We have won a political argument but we | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
know there are many still to be persuaded. As we carry ourselves | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
forward proudly in what is being achieved, we also have the humility | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
to know that people were responding to a feeling that politics was not | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
about them. Yesterday, politics was about the people and we must make | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
sure that the Labour Party drives that forward in the coming period. | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
Can I thank you all very much for all you have done. We know this is | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
only the beginning of the next and exciting stage of creating and | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
delivering change that the people in this country want. | :21:01. | :21:01. | |
APPLAUSE And with that, can I now ask | :21:02. | :21:19. | |
Alistair Darling to speak to us. We know the immense challenge he has | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
risen to two coming to, heading up Better Together, making the case for | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
Scotland being strong in the United Kingdom and showing that leadership | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
and the passion and commitment, making that case, working with | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
others, a living embodiment of what you can do when you cooperate with | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
others when you have common aims. We are immensely grateful to you for | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
what you have done and I know how much we all appreciate what you have | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
delivered for us. We look forward to hearing from you. | :21:48. | :21:56. | |
Thank you. Last night, we made history. The vote by the Scottish | :21:57. | :22:05. | |
people last night, to say that our future lies in staying with the | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
United Kingdom, has settle this question for a generation. All my | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
adult life, the question has been around us, whether we should break | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
away, whether we should stay part of the United Kingdom. At 6:10am this | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
morning, that question was answered emphatically. 2 million people have | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
voted to say we are Better Together as part of the United Kingdom. We | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
have changed Scotland and we have changed the United Kingdom and we | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
must hold on but for the good of the people we represent. People are | :22:41. | :22:47. | |
desperate for change, change in the constitutional arrangements where we | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
have a strong Scottish Parliament but also people want to see the | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
world in which they live change. They want better jobs, they want | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
more jobs. They want is a key funding for the health service, they | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
want a better education for their children and above all opportunities | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
for their children and grandchildren. We believe we can do | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
that in Scotland but we do it best by working with the rest of the | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
United Kingdom. It is not just constitutions we should be concerned | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
with. Although we have made a clear commitment to the people of Scotland | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
to strengthen the powers of the Scottish Parliament and we must | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
deliver on that. One of the strength I think of the last couple of years | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
as Johann has said, is that we have shown that we can work with other | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
parties, and critically, work with many people of no party at all. One | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
of the encouraging things about last night was not only the fact that the | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
turnout was in the high 80s and some parts of Scotland 90% of the | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
electorate voted, but people were engaged in this argument in a way I | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
have not seen throughout my political life. It does demonstrate | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
to me two things. As I say, we can work with other political parties | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
when we agree with them. We disagree and will have to argue some points | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
but when we agree we should work with each other. Also, if you have a | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
popular cause, a good case to make, then you can accuse people which is | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
something I think all the political parties of this country have to | :24:18. | :24:25. | |
learn -- end use people. We can ensure that what we saw last night | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
was not a one-off but perhaps it is the start of invigorating politics, | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
not just in Scotland but throughout the United Kingdom. That brings me | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
to the final point I want to make. Yes, we work together and the three | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
political parties have entered into an agreement to strengthen the | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
legislation of the Scottish Parliament. We must see that | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
implemented on the timescale that was agreed. But of course, we do | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
have differences with the other political parties on many issues. In | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
just nine months time, this country will go to a general election to | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
choose a government for the next five years. Every single one of us | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
need to be out there hungry for that change, showing that we can | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
demonstrate to people that the change they need for jobs, to make | :25:12. | :25:23. | |
sure we can improve people's standards of living, that we can | :25:24. | :25:25. | |
provide the opportunities that we need in the future, all of those | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
things are absolutely necessary. I'm sure that the enthusiasm that all of | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
you have shown, not just over the last 24 hours, but frankly over the | :25:32. | :25:33. | |
last 24 months, you can keep it going for the next nine months, at | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
least, as we move towards the general election. I believe that not | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
only can we win the next election, but we will win the next election. I | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
will play my part in that. I welcome Ed Miliband to speak to us. Thank | :25:47. | :25:48. | |
you. APPLAUSE | :25:49. | :25:58. | |
Friends, I want to start off by paying the warmest tribute to | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
Alistair Darling because after the 2010 general election, he could have | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
taken the easy way out. He could have decided to take a step | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
back. He didn't because he cared about his country. He played one of | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
the most important roles in keeping this country together. Alistair, | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
thank you. Thank you for what you did. | :26:18. | :26:20. | |
APPLAUSE And I also want to thank every | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
member of Team Labour for what they did. I want to thank Johann Lamont | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
for the brilliant work she has done. I want to thank Margaret Curran, | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
Anna Sarwar, Jim Murphy, Gordon Brown, Douglas Alexander, every | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
person who played that role in this campaign, let us applaud them today, | :26:39. | :26:40. | |
friends. APPLAUSE | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
There is another set of people I want to thank even more than that | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
and that is you. This would not have happened without you. Thank you for | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
the street stalls, thank you for the phone banking. Thank you for the | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
leaflets. Thank you for pounding the streets in rain and shine. Friends, | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
you will be able to tell your children and your grandchildren, | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
that you helped keep our country together, and historic achievement | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
and let us acknowledge it today. What was this a vote for? This was a | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
vote for solidarity and social justice. This was a vote for our | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
National Health Service. This was a vote for our welfare state. This was | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
a vote for No because we know that we are Better Together. I want to | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
say something also today, as Alistair acknowledge it and Johann | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
did as well, to all of the people who voted yes, this Labour Party is | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
determined to show over the coming years, that we can be the vehicle | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
for your hopes, your dreams, your aspirations, for a better life for | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
you, a better life for Scotland and a better life for the whole of the | :27:58. | :28:06. | |
United Kingdom. Friends. Whether people voted No or Yes in this | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
referendum, let's be absolutely clear. This was a vote for change. | :28:14. | :28:19. | |
Change does not end today, change begins today. We know our country | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
needs to change. We know our country needs to change in the way that it | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
is governed and in who it is governed for. As Alistair said, we | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
will deliver on stronger powers, for a stronger Scottish parliament, a | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
stronger Scotland and I know that all party leaders will meet their | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
commitments to deliver on that promise. | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
APPLAUSE And we will also meet the desire for | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
change. Across England, across Wales, across the whole of the | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
United Kingdom, devolution is not just a good idea for Scotland and | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
Wales, it is a good idea for England and indeed Northern Ireland as it | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
already is as well. It is also the case, friends, that we must meet the | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
thirst for change in reforming the whole of our country in who it works | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
for. What I heard from people as I went around this campaign was I | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
heard people talking about yes, stronger powers for Scotland, but I | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
also heard people saying, how can my life get better? How can my son or | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
daughter get a job? How can we deal with in security at work? How can we | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
build a better future for our children and grandchildren? We know | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
those were the questions people were asking. They were not just asking | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
questions about the Constitution and the way our politics works. They | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
were asking whether our country works for them and they were telling | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
us, they were not just telling us this in Scotland, they were telling | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
us throughout our country, that our country only works for a tiny elite | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
few at the top and this Labour Party knows that must change and we will | :30:00. | :30:00. | |
change it. APPLAUSE | :30:01. | :30:11. | |
Friends, the last few weeks have been about keeping our country | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
together. The last few months, the two years of this campaign, too. The | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
next eight months are about how we change our country together. You | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
know, we need a party that can speak for the whole of the UK. For every | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
party, every part of the UK, every set of people in the UK. There is a | :30:32. | :30:38. | |
party that can do that, friends. That is the Labour Party. That is | :30:39. | :30:45. | |
our party. And this is our responsibility in the months ahead. | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
Let us be able to tell our children, our grandchildren, that we | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
did not just keep our country together, we changed our country | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
together. That is our mission. That can be arid achievement. Thank you | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
so much for what you did. Now let's go on and show the people of the | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
whole UK how we intend to change our country. Thank you very much. | :31:09. | :31:15. | |
APPLAUSE Ed Miliband at the Labour rally in | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
Gaza, as Johann Lamont, for Scottish Labour put it, "we have won but we | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
must not be triumphalist Rosebud. Norman Smith joins us from the | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
rally. The word that most rock me in all of that was change, change | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
begins now. This is not the end of a process but the beginning of one. | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
What did you think? Yes, Gavin, Ed Miliband said there was a first for | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
change, not just in Scotland but throughout the UK, and not just | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
constitutional change, he was talking about political and economic | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
change, in effect, trying to say that Labour is the vehicle for the | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
kind of change... As Mr Miliband leaves the rally, he was trying to | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
argue that Labour is the vehicle for much broader change than simply | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
devolving more powers to England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In a | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
way, it is more ambitious than the already very ambitious statement by | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
David Cameron. Trying to seize the moment, to position the Labour Party | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
to ride what Ed Miliband says is a first the change throughout the UK. | :32:17. | :32:32. | |
-- first for change. -- thirst for change. Let's go to Joanna Gosling | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
in Aberdeen. What are people saying about the result there? Yell at road | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
is interesting because everybody went to bed last night with | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
uncertainty and now they have woken with certainty which has been | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
welcomed in particular by business leaders in this oil and gas rich | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
city, one of Scotland's's economic powerhouses. Around 50% of the oil | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
and gas firms were saying that the impact of the Scottish referendum | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
was affecting investment and planning to their companies. They | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
will be glad the uncertainty is over this morning. There are reports that | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
people were delaying moving house as a result of the uncertainty. Let's | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
take a closer look at the result in Aberdeen and across Aberdeenshire. | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
It is a more marked a no vote than the national average. Aberdeen city | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
voted by 41% for independence, 59% voting no. The turnout was high, as | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
it was in many areas, 82% in the city. Across Aberdeenshire more | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
broadly, Alex Salmond's constituency, 40% voted no and 60% | :33:31. | :33:38. | |
voted -- 40% voted yes and 60% voted no with an 87% turnout. Let's touch | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
base with a couple of voters, one voting each way so let's see how | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
they are feeling. Patricia voted no and Paul voted yes. How are you | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
feeling this morning? Quite relieved. It was a worrying case | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
that the Yes vote came through. Did you ever waver? No, I was going to | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
vote no throughout. I felt that we were too weak to stand alone and I | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
was quite happy to be in a united country. Paul, were you strongly | :34:10. | :34:17. | |
going to vote yes throughout? I was swaying between most of the time | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
because I'm from North Wales but I have lived if the nine years and I | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
have 2 Scottish children. My father-in-law persuaded me to vote | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
yes. He is living abroad now but I basically gave him my vote. A bit of | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
peer pressure, family pressure, was that an issue? You also work in the | :34:36. | :34:43. | |
oil industry. Just up there. In the industry, they were all saying no. | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
Yesterday, everyone was saying no. I decided to vote yes. Did you discuss | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
it openly with your colleagues or feel pressure from them? A bit of | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
pressure but I did not tell them how I was voting. A few of them knew. | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
What about you? Did it divide friends and family? Were you all | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
united? Friends and family were all united as No but some work | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
colleagues were not sure which way to go. I would not say it divide us. | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
I feel we are sensible enough to respect other people's opinions. | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
Incredible turnout and a lot of votes don't see that. Have you whizz | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
beanie gauged with politics? Has this galvanised you? No, I haven't. | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
I am fiercely Scottish and I would love it if Scotland could have stood | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
alone but I think it would be too hard. Thank you for joining us. | :35:41. | :35:48. | |
Reflecting the views of a nation. Overall, the result was 55% in | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
favour of remaining part of the union. Back to Gavin. | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
Joanna from Aberdeen. Good morning if you are just joining us. I'm | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
Gavin Esler, live in Hollywood on the day Scotland decided. CHEERING | :36:02. | :36:10. | |
No to independence: Scotland makes its decision and chooses to remain | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
part of the UK. 55% of voters said no to the question, "should Scotland | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
be an independent country?" Turnout was at a record high. Alex Salmond | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
urges Yes supporters not to be downhearted and hailed the turnout | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
as a triumph of the democratic process. Let us not dwell on the | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
distance we have fallen short. Let us dwell on the distance we have | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
travelled and have confidence that the movement is abroad in Scotland | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
that will take this nation forward and we shall go forward as one | :36:42. | :36:49. | |
nation. Thank you Ray much. -- very much. After the promises made during | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
the campaign, the result of the referendum means major changes to | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
the way Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are governed. We | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
now have a chance, a great opportunity to change the way the | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
British people are governed and change it for the better. | :37:06. | :37:21. | |
Good morning from Holyrood. This result is something which not only | :37:22. | :37:30. | |
resounds across Scotland but has major implications for the way all | :37:31. | :37:32. | |
of us are governed, throughout the UK. That means the debate is already | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
engaged at Westminster. Matthew Amroliwala joins me from there now. | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
It is going to be a very busy few months between now and the general | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
election as people try to make sense of where we go next. | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
Good morning, it really is, an avalanche of political questions to | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
consider this morning. Interesting the former cabinet minister, Owen | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
Paterson, is calling for Parliament to be recalled, just in the last | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
before while. Let's go straight to Downing Street and our political | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
correspondence, Vicky Young. You can almost sense the relief coming from | :38:05. | :38:11. | |
number ten. That's right, the stakes were in friendly high for all of the | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
Westminster parties but most of all for the man who sat behind this | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
door, stayed up all night, David Cameron, watching the results coming | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
in. Of course, the more decisive nature of the result means that he | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
could come out here, defend the position of holding the referendum | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
in the first place, that the question was asked and he now says | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
it has been dealt with, possibly for a generation or a lifetime. Of | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
course, that journey has finished. He feels he has dealt with the | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
question but of course, he is immediately suggesting an avalanche | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
of other questions about what happens to the way the UK is | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
governed. Yes, he was straight on to that with a blizzard of | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
constitutional changes ahead. It is almost like opening Pandora's box. | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
It is and many people have spoken about this as the awakening of the | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
English question. We have already had the former Cabinet minister, | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
Owen Paterson, saying that these are rash promises made to Scotland | :39:15. | :39:17. | |
without Parliament being asked about it. He says they are an fair to the | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
rest of the UK, particularly England. He wants Parliament to be | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
recalled immediately to discuss it. It does not look like that will | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
happen. But we now have another timetable. We knew there would be | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
one for Scottish devolution. Now William Hague, the Leader of the | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
Commons, has said those two things will be tied together and they are | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
trying to sort out what people call the English question, the fact | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
Scottish MPs can come to Westminster and vote on what happens in English | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
schools or Welsh schools, even though they themselves cannot vote | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
in what happens in their own Scottish schools. Many ministers I | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
have spoken to now say that this is going to have to be dealt with. But | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
as you say, it is a very complicated thing. What we are getting now is | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
certainly the Conservatives and Ukip, who are snapping at their | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
heels, as we heard from Nigel Farage this morning, both of them vying to | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
be the voice of England. That sets up my next guest worry well, talking | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
about Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence party, who is with me | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
this morning Westminster. Good morning. Your thoughts on the | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
decisive vote last night? I'm pleased, despite the bungling | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
attempts of the Westminster class to put everybody fit in Scotland, at | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
the last minute, with a few panic measures, they managed to get a no | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
vote. I am pleased the UK has held together. Mr Cameron will be very | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
pleased because otherwise he would have been forced to resign. Do you | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
support the promises made late in the day, in the final week by the | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
three leaders? No, I don't. We should have offered devo-max, access | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
to the devolution genie was out of the bottle and then talking about | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
the new constitution settlement to the entire UK. Are you against the | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
timing of the announcement or the giving of more powers? We heard from | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
Vicky Young that Owen Paterson's description of rash promises made at | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
the last moment. They were rash promises in one sense because what | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
the three leaders said was that they would continue with the Barnett | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
formula, by which money is divvied up among the citizens of the UK. A | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
lot more money is spent per head in Scotland than in England. I don't | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
think that promise can hold. When it comes to giving more powers to | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
Scotland, nobody for the last 18 years has thought about England. | :41:34. | :41:35. | |
England has been quiet for a long time and now deserves a voice. The | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
Prime Minister addressed it right there in Downing Street, saying | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
English voices need to be heard as part of the equation and the | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
constitutional changes. What needs to happen, do you think? We need to | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
have a constitutional convention, established as quickly as possible, | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
so we have firm proposals are moving towards a federal UK, where everyone | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
feels they have a fair voice and they are paying their fair share. Be | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
more specific. This is a vexed question. It has puzzled politicians | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
the decades. -- for decades. The timetable outlined by David Cameron | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
is very fast to get the answers. It shows you how panicked he was. The | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
question has not even been debated in Cabinet, William Hague admitted | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
that this morning. It is playing catch up at the last minute. Mr | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
Cameron is very scared of how English voters will see the promises | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
made towards the end of the campaign. One way to start the | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
process is if all 59 Scottish MP said today that in the interests of | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
making it a very union they would promise between now and the next | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
election not to take part in debates on votes on issues which affect only | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
England. You wrote a letter and sent it to MPs this morning. In terms of | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
the politics of all of that, would it not be a mistake if part of the | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
thinking here was in one sense a trap for Labour? They have large | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
representation from Scotland in terms of Westminster MPs. I | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
understand and Ed Miliband has said that all parts of the UK must have | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
devolution. That is fine, but will he promised that his 41 Scottish MPs | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
will not take part in debates and vote in the House of Commons between | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
now and the next general election? Unless the Labour Party are prepared | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
to do that, frankly, those who want a fair, proper English voice will | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
not take him seriously. What about the way the whole campaign | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
absolutely lit up? You have spoken for years about disengagement. We | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
saw rigs actually the opposite, there, didn't we? -- exactly the | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
opposite. You broke it goes to show that if people can see elections | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
actually matter and they can see different arguments on both sides, | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
they will turn up to vote. One reason is for the falling turnout is | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
that the main parties have become so similar in the last couple of | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
decades and many of the big decisions that affect the economy | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
and our lives are made somewhere else. Is this the end of it? Alex | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
Salmond acknowledged the vote in his acceptance speech, but stared at | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
this stage, an interesting flaws, people have rejected independence. | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
The if you believe in separation, you will believe in it until the day | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
you die, I suppose. In his case, I have no doubt of that. But the idea | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
of Scottish separation has effectively gone for a generation. | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
We have an urgent job to sort out a fair constitutional framework. Mr | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
Cameron saying William Hague is in charge of a committee who will give | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
a report in a few weeks is not good enough. Let's have an open, | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
constitutional convention, do it properly. Thank you for joining us. | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
Just a flavour of what has been opened up from what we have heard | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
already from the Prime Minister. 20 more from here coming up. Back to | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
Gavin. Indeed, and for a bit more of a | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
flavour of what has been opened up, we heard from Owen Paterson and we | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
have just heard from Nigel Farage, another Conservative backbencher, | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
surge of Howarth, has tweeted, " major constitutional changes must | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
not be rushed, because appeasing Scottish nationalism has brought us | :45:04. | :45:04. | |
to the brink of disaster". People across Scotland have been | :45:05. | :45:17. | |
reacting to the news. Here is what some workers in Glasgow had to say. | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
I think it has to be accepted. Personally, I was a Yes but we have | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
to embrace it, indigenous and new citizens of Scotland, take it | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
together and go forward. There will be change. There has got to be | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
change management handled carefully by Westminster and interact with | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
that and go forward into Scotland and re-industrialise Scotland, | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
perhaps? That could be on the agenda. Delighted we have kept the | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
UK and delighted we have kept the pound. That is the most important | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
thing, the most important thing for business anyway? Was that your main | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
concern, the main thing that informed your decision to vote No? | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
It was, yes. Mostly from customers, the feedback and suppliers, what | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
they were wanting. They were wanting to know how they would get paid. We | :46:13. | :46:20. | |
did not know what the currency was. A little bit disappointed because I | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
am a yes vote and I think Scotland should be governed by ourselves. We | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
have the resources. I do not know why the majority of people have not | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
voted yes. I am disappointed. Common sense has prevailed. Personally, I | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
do not think there is any need to break up the union. For Alex Salmond | :46:42. | :46:52. | |
to avoid every major question, that pertains to our future and not | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
answer it properly, ceases to amaze me. | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
The thoughts of some workers in Glasgow. It has been a long | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
campaign. It has gone on to two years. For me, the most striking | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
comment of the campaign was a man in Shetland who when I asked him whose | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
oil is it? He said it was the oil companies' oil. He was making the | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
point that world economic factors and globalisation play a really big | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
part in his judgement at least and perhaps the judgement of many other | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
people in Scotland. For some thoughts about how this is going | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
down in the business community, we can go to Simon Jack in the city of | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
London. Thank you. As expected, the | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
financial markets have given the result and the Sterling is up, the | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
pound is up, the stock market is up. You can tell the story of the night | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
by looking at the value of the pound. That Spike was the YouGov | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
poll coming out at ten o'clock last night. This bike was when | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
Clackmannanshire voted No. It was thought it could have gone either | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
way. -- this Spike. The contingency plans that RBS had put in place to | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
move south of the border, they can go in the bin now. The RBS price is | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
up 4%, a big jump on opening this morning. We can get the thoughts of | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
Alec Stewart, a fund manager here at Schroders. A lot of uncertainty has | :48:28. | :48:39. | |
been swept away. -- Alex Stewart. There is still some political | :48:40. | :48:41. | |
uncertainty under devolution and what form that will take, but it is | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
not the break-up of the UK that we are talking about which would have | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
been much more difficult to quantify. This Pandora's box that | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
Matthew was referring to all of devolution and a lot of regions | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
wanting their share of extra powers, does that matter to the UK as a | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
whole or as long as the union stays together, it does not matter and the | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
entirety stays the same? It matters in some ways. We have a general | :49:09. | :49:15. | |
election coming up next year. We are not talking about big questions on | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
currency, EU membership and so on at this stage and the potential of a | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
split up of a country which would have been hard to quantify. On the | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
EU membership idea, some people thought if it was a Yes vote, it | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
would have been more likely that the UK would have exited the European | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
Union. What do you think? That was our view that it would have been | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
more likely that the Conservatives would have got in and they would | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
have offered a referendum. This would be bad for UKIP as well. The | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
governor of the Bank of England has said in his previous report, he | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
pointed to the referendum and said one of the external shocks which | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
could have happened before raising interest rates. What is the path for | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
him? We believe interest rates will rise in the first half of next | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
year. The Bank of England have said they are looking at it. They said | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
uncertainty over the Scottish referendum was one reason for | :50:15. | :50:16. | |
potentially holding back at the moment. It is not just here in the | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
UK that this result is having resonance, also Spanish bonds. There | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
are a lot of separatist movements around the world who were looking at | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
this as a blueprint to look at how separatist forces in their own | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
country would work. Absolutely. The Spanish were saying that any surge | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
in independence would be bad for Europe and we have seen the rallying | :50:43. | :50:51. | |
in Spanish bonds. The stock market is up two thirds of a percent. | :50:52. | :50:58. | |
Simon, thank you. There has also been some reaction from one of the | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
most respected is Miss figures in Scotland, Sir Ian Wood, who made an | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
intervention fairly late in the campaign to say there was perhaps | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
not as much oil as some on the Yes side were claiming -- the most | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
respected figures. He said: I strongly believe this is in the | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
strongest interests of our children and grandchildren. The UK government | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
must now deliver on their undertakings on the wider devolved | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
responsibilities to the Scottish Parliament and elsewhere. | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
For more business reaction, I'm joined by Sir Mike Rake of the CBI | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
in central London. How do think this will go down across the UK? I think | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
businesses are really happy that this has occurred. Common sense has | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
asserted itself and we will remain the single market, one currency, one | :51:49. | :52:00. | |
set of principles. Are you concerned that the changes that go ahead means | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
that the government will be involved in all kinds of constitutional | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
things internally and then thinking perhaps about another referendum and | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
where the UK should remain in the European Union? The most important | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
thing is focusing to make sure this recovery is started and is | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
accompanied by increased investment, productivity and wages. | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
We do not want to see too much destruction for political reasons | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
but we understand the devolution debate has to take place. We support | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
local city initiatives and we think if there is to be a referendum on | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
the European Union, we need to be clear up front to make sure it is a | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
referendum based on the facts, the issues, the importance of the | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
European Union to jobs and investment in this country. | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
Underpinning everything you have been saying and businesses have been | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
saying up and down the country, they do not like uncertainty. The | :52:59. | :53:05. | |
uncertainties we think were being understated in terms of the costs, | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
the length of time it would take to get resolution on the currency, | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
membership of the European Union, disruption to trade, pensions and | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
many other schemes and systems. That was causing real concern to | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
business. We felt in the CBI that many of the benefits were being | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
overstated in terms of the economy, jobs and growth. Thank you for | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
joining us. Nick Witchel is at Balmoral for us. | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
That is where the Queen is currently staying. I understand some people | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
were up all night and having a look at what was on the television? I can | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
certainly tell you that many of her senior officials were up all night | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
and one must assume that they would have been briefing her and keeping | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
her fully informed of the progress and the results. I think in common | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
with many people in these parts, she will be feeling pleased that it is | :54:03. | :54:08. | |
all over. Privately, I'm sure she's feeling enormous relief that | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
Scotland has taken the decision that it has. I think she would have felt | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
a profound sadness of the United Kingdom had broken up. She might | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
have found that rather difficult to have coped with but she would have | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
accepted the result. In terms of today, she and her officials would | :54:26. | :54:28. | |
want the politicians to say what they want to say. They want the dust | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
to settle but we do expect later today, perhaps this afternoon, a | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
short written statement that logically I imagine will focus on | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
the fact this has been Scotland's position, a decision for the people | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
of Scotland as the Palace has said several times, but perhaps logically | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
expressing the hope that after this divisive campaign, that Scotland | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
will be allowed to move on and move beyond this decision in the best | :54:54. | :55:01. | |
interests of Scotland. It was interesting that a sentence or even | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
half a sentence uttered by Her Majesty the Queen at church that | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
effectively people should vote sensibly, was interpreted up and | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
down this country in all kinds of different ways? Yes, I think a great | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
deal of thought went into that one sentence where she urged people to | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
think very carefully about the future. I do say that there may have | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
been some embers of her family who had been urging her to say more. She | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
has a very shrewd sense of where the line is, beyond which it is improper | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
and unacceptable for a constitutional monarch who is above | :55:39. | :55:41. | |
the political fray to go. I think some thought went into what she did | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
say, a politically neutral remark which was uttered, but did catch | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
people's imagination but neither side felt affronted by. That was her | :55:51. | :55:59. | |
only observation, her only contribution in the days leading up | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
to this vote. Thank you for joining us from Balmoral. | :56:04. | :56:11. | |
With all the results declared and Scotland rejecting independence, we | :56:12. | :56:14. | |
are going to have a look back now at the highs and lows of a very | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
interesting night, and night which will go down in history. | :56:19. | :56:25. | |
It is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take Scotland's | :56:26. | :56:27. | |
future into Scotland's hands. Yes, 194,000 779. | :56:28. | :56:46. | |
CHEERING The BBC's forecast now is that | :56:47. | :57:33. | |
Scotland has voted No to independence. No, 194,000... 638. | :57:34. | :57:55. | |
Scotland has by majority, decided not at this stage, to become an | :57:56. | :58:02. | |
independent country. I accept that verdict of the people. | :58:03. | :58:20. | |
People who were disengaged from politics have turned out in large | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
numbers. Just as the people of Scotland will | :58:24. | :58:38. | |
have more power over their affairs, so it follows that the people of | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger say | :58:45. | :58:45. |