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1982-2010... We are leaving the House of Commons to go live to the

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Scottish Parliament were First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will make a

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statement on the UK referendum on the EU. I would ask any member who

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wishes to speak against the motion to press request to speak button now

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and I call on Joe Fitzpatrick to move the motion. No member has asked

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to speak against the motion so I will put the question to the

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Chamber. Our agreed? Yes, we are all agreed. The next item of business is

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a statement by the First Minister on the EU referendum. Before I call the

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First Minister I would say a few words. This is the first opportunity

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we've had to come together since the monumental events of last week. The

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consequences of the EU referendum for Scotland are clearly complex and

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will take some time to fully emerge. I am determined that the Parliament

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is able to play a full role in this process, that we are able to be a

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voice and provide a platform for every voice in this debate and to

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scrutinise the reactions of the government in this matter. I am

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determined that the Parliament is able to respond to events as they

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develop also I have instructed the Parliamentary authorities to ensure

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that resources are available over the summary says if necessary to

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support a recall of Parliament, should I deem it necessary. I will

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remain in close contact with party leaders and with the business

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managers to discuss this matter and to report back to Parliament

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regularly on progress. Thank you. I call on the First Minister. Thank

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you very much, Presiding Officer. This is not a statement I wanted to

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make. The Scottish Government did not seek a referendum on membership

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of the EU, and we certainly did not want this result. While of course I

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respect the views of all those who voted, the UK result leaves me

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deeply disappointed and profoundly concerned. The Scottish Government

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continues to believe that membership of the European Union is in their

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best interests of Scotland, four our economy, society, culture and place

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and the world. And not just for Scotland but for the rest of the UK.

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That is why with the great majority of members of this Parliament and

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all the party leaders, I campaigned hard for a remain result. I am proud

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that Scotland voted to remain within the EU, and that we did so

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emphatically. It is of course important for all of us to recognise

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that some in Scotland did not vote to remain, but instead to leave the

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EU, and I want to make it clear that, as we move forward, I am

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committed to listening, understanding and seeking to address

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the concerns that they have. However more than 60% of voters across

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Scotland and the majority in every single one of our 32 local authority

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area said clearly that wanted Scotland to stay in the EU. Scotland

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voted to stay inside the single market and to protect the jobs,

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investment and trade that depend on it. We chose Debian open, inclusive

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and outward looking society where other EU citizens are welcomed to

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live, work and contribute. We voted to protect freedom and prosperity

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that comes with our rights to travel, live, work and study in

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other European countries. And we endorse the principle of independent

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countries working together to tackle global issues like climate change,

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energy security and the fight against terrorism. Scotland spoke

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clearly for remain, and I am determined that Scotland was my

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voice will be heard. We are now of course in uncharted territory. We

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face risk and uncertainty greater perhaps than at any time in the

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post-war period. We are ready seeing some of the early consequences.

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There has been extraordinary volatility in equity and currency

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markets. Yonder financial markets, there are suggestions that companies

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are considering relocating jobs and diverging investment and that others

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are concerned about the future access to skilled workers. The

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Chancellor emerged yesterday, I would say from hiding although it

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was beginning to feel like that, the tellers that the UK aces the future

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from a position of strength. Just hours later they pound reached a 31-

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year low and the standard and Poor ratings agency downgraded the treble

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eight credit rating of the UK. Like all of us, I hope that we will see

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an early return of stability and some confidence. However, I fear

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that we are still in the early days of this period of risk and

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uncertainty. Presiding Officer, these are times that all pop and

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suppose, purpose and clarity, in short, for leadership. That is why

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the vacuum that has developed at Westminster is so acceptable.

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Politicians who propose this referendum, no matter how bruised

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they feel by the result have a duty now to step up to deal with the

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consequences of its outcome. Those who campaigned for the leave vote

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making another promises the process must now be clear and honest about

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their plans to deliver. One thing I think is clear. There cannot be

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three months of drift now while both the government and main opposition

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parties at Westminster emerge -- immerse themselves in internal

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elections. That would compound the difficult situation we are already

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facing and risk even more damage to our economy. We have heard that,

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almost incredibly, there was no plan for this outcome. It is my view that

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the UK Government must now get a grip on this. First, to restore

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stability and confidence, then to set out its plan for the way

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forward. And it must involve the Scottish Government in that work at

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every step of the way. The Scottish Government is already hard at work.

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I have set three priorities for our work in immediate term. I want to

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reassure those from other countries who have chosen to make Scotland

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their home, I made a commitment to them on the morning on the result

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and they want to repeat it here today. You are welcome in Scotland,

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this is your home and we value your contribution.

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APPLAUSE This commitment is all the more

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important in light of reported racist attacks in the wake of last

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week 's result. Letters as a Parliament Unite today, to make

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clear that Scotland is an open and welcoming country and that

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prejudice, hate and racism will not be tolerated, now or at any time.

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The terms of the motion we debate this afternoon I thought this whole

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Chamber the chance to send that message loudly and clearly. Alistair

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Allan, the Minister for Europe, stressed, commitment to EU citizens

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resident in Scotland and over the next week I will post consuls

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general from all the EU member states to provide further

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reassurance in the weeks and months ahead. The Deputy First Minister is

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also taking steps to reassure EU students, already studying in awed

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you do come to Scotland, of their continued place in our academic

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community, and I welcome the commitment from Aberdeen University

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to guarantee the Jewish and EU students for the duration of their

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course, whatever the UK does. -- tuition for. We have been speaking

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to as this is, organisations and stakeholders to provide as much

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clarity as we possibly can, and to understand the concerns and

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perspectives of all those affected by this period of damaging

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uncertainty. We have made clear in those discussions, Scotland remains

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a stable and attractive place for business and investment. Our ability

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to trade with EU countries continues unaffected by the result of the

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referendum until the UK concludes any negotiations and it is my

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intention that we will secure continued access to the single

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market for Scotland. I summoned a resilience meeting within a few

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hours of the result being confirmed, to review with ministerial

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colleagues the early impact and the Scottish Government 's Land's End

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actions in response. The following morning, Saturday, I chaired the

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meeting of the Scottish Cabinet. My colleagues reported on their

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immediate engagement across different sectors and communities in

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Scotland. That engagement continues to inform our planning and response.

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Scotland is a good place to do business. Let us be clear about

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that. Letters also be clear about this. If, in the circumstances the

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UK is now in, Scotland does find a way to maintain or ablation should

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the EU, as I am determined we will, then Scotland will become an even

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more attractive place to do business, and I want to make sure

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that we are alert to those opportunities. Presiding Officer,

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this government and Parliament will not look in on ourselves. We will

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listen and we will lead. That is what people expect, and that is what

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we must continue to do. Let me turn now to our third and overriding

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priority. Through all of this, I am determined, utterly determined, to

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protect Scotland 's relationship with and are placed in the European

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Union. The formal process of UK leaving the EU does not start until

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the Prime Minister notifies the European Council of the terms of

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article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty of an intention to withdraw. As the

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Prime Minister made clear on Friday morning, he does not intend to make

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that notification. It will be a matter for his successor. That means

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we are not yet at the stage of formal negotiations. It is vital,

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however, that we seize the chance we have before these negotiations

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start, to ensure that Scotland 's voice is heard as widely as

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possible, in London, in Brussels and by member states across Europe. The

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Prime Minister gave me a commitment on Friday morning to the full

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engagement of the Scottish Government, and to ensure that the

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interest of all parts of the UK are protected and advanced. Today I seek

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the Parliament 's authority to hold the pie minister and his successor

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to that commitment. This week I have discussed the situation with the

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president of the club -- of the Republic of Ireland, who will

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address the Chamber tomorrow. I had an constructive discussion this

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morning with the Taoiseach. We are in touch with other heads of state

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including through the British Irish Council which met in Glasgow before

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the referendum, and which I expect me meet again very shortly. I spoke

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on Friday with a mirror of London and this morning that the chief

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minister of Gibraltar to discuss the shared interests we now have in

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protecting our relationship with Europe. The government is directly

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in touch with the governments of other member states, both to repeat

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our assurance that their citizens are welcoming Scotland, and to make

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clear Scotland 's strong commitment to our relationship with Europe. We

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have been in touch with the European Commission and Parliament in

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Brussels, responding to messages of encouragement and support for the

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work ahead. Through these contacts we have again emphasise the

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overwhelming support in Scotland for staying in the European Union, and

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the commitment of the Scottish Government to protecting our

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relationship with Europe. These contacts are, of course, just the

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start. Tomorrow, I will make an initial visit to Brussels to set out

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Scotland 's position and interest to representatives of the major groups

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in the European Parliament, and to the president of the European

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Parliament, Martin Schultz. I expect to hear from the Prime Minister on

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the outcome of the European Council taking place this week and,

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following that, I intend to set out Scotland 's position directly to the

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European Commission. We are following up our first contact with

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other member states, the Cabinet Secretary for culture, Europe and

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external affairs met the ambassador was of Slovakia, Germany and France

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to share our response to the result and our determinations to protect

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Scotland 's relationship with Europe.

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Presiding officer, we have made a good start, our early priority is to

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spread awareness in Europe of Scotland's different choice in the

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referendum, and our aspiration to stay in the European Union. We will

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intensify this work in the weeks and days that lie ahead for is the it is

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my responsibility to ensure that Scotland's voice is heard in Europe,

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and I intend to do so. I have been very clear, I want our work to be

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guided at every step of the way by expert advice and wide experience.

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We have a great deal of work to do, basing government, and a parliament.

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To set out and evaluate all the impact of the referendum results,

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and all the options open to Scotland to secure our relationship with the

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European Union. For that reason, I'm setting up a standing counsel of

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experts to give advice to me and the government on how best to achieve

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our EU objectives. This will be a team of experts on finance, and

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political and constitutional opinions. It will provide the

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government with access to a wealth of knowledge built up over the use

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of experience. The council will consider the impact of proposed

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changes to the UK's relationship with the EE on Scottish interests,

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and advise Scottish ministers on the best way to secure Scottish

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interests and objectives. Membership of the council will be flexible to

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ensure we have access to appropriate advice as and when it is required.

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However I can advise Parliament to date it will be chaired by a

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principal of Glasgow University, and include Professor Sir David Edward,

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former judge of the European Court of Justice. Dame Edwards, formerly

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of Nato. John McKay one of the country's leading economists. And

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Glover, former chief scientific adviser to the president of the

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European Commission. Charles Grant, director for the centre of European

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reform. David Martin, Labour member of the European Parliament. I intend

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to publish the full list of initial members later today. Presiding

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officer I have set out for Parliament the action we have taken

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so far since the results of the referendum became clear. The nation

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we shall debate shortly invites the Parliament to give me and my

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government a mandate to continue this work, and to explore every

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option for retaining Scotland's relationship with the European

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Union. I very much hope it will attract support across this chamber.

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The motion calls on the government to report back to Parliament and the

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European committee, and we will do so. I will keep party leaders

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informed of progress, and asked the Cabinet Secretary for Europe to keep

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counterparts fully informed over the Parliamentary recess. I ensure the

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chamber that we will return to Parliament to seek approval of any

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outcome to the discussions. I believe there is a role for key

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committees in the Scottish Parliament to contribute to this

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vital process. I will be very happy to discuss that with the European

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committee of the earliest opportunity. Presiding Officer, let

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me turn finally to the matter of independence. I want to be clear to

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Parliament, while I believe independence is the best option for

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Scotland, I don't think that will come as a surprise to anyone, it is

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not my starting point in these discussions. My starting point is to

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protect Scotland's interests, and protect our relationship with the

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EU. However I am in no doubt there has been a very real material change

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to Scotland's circumstances brought about by last week's referendum

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result. There is no doubt we are not very different place week from last.

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During the independence referendum will be told staying in the UK made

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me to benefit from having guaranteed access to the a driving factor in

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many people's votes will stop that is no longer true. The country that

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that usual settlement people voted for in 2014 is no longer a reality.

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Based on a very clear result in Scotland, if we were to be removed

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from the EU, it will be against the will of our people, democratically

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unacceptable. It is for that reason that I have said everything must be

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on the table to protect our place in Europe, including a second

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independence referendum. To ensure that the option of holding a

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referendum within the time frame of UK negotiations on leaving the EE

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five double to liquor -- leaving the EE is viable, we will prepare

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legislation. If the government does conclude that the best and only way

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to protect Scotland's place in the EE is through a referendum to

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independence, we will return to Parliament with that judgment, and

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it will be for Parliament to decide. I am emphatically not asking

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Parliament to endorse that statement to date. A vote for this motion is

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not a vote for a referendum on independence. I hope this will

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remove any option for the Conservatives not to back this

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option. It would be very regrettable if the party that has put us in this

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decision is the only one standing in our way in the efforts to resolve

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it. Voting to deny us Parliament to support for our discussions with

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Parliamentary organisations and EU members, would be to frustrate

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Scotland's interests. Residing officer, the position we find

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ourselves in is not of our making. There is no easy path ahead. At this

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stage there are no guaranteed outcomes. My job is to navigate the

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best possible path of Scotland, one that protects our interests, and

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gives effect to what the people of our country voted for. That is what

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I'm determined to do. As I do so, I promise I will be open and frank

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with Parliament and the Scottish people about the options, challenges

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that we face. I hope we can move forward in a spirit of unity and

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national purpose. Presiding officer, my final .2 days this. While our

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agenda on Europe is vital, we must not allow us to distract from the

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business of governing Scotland, delivering only priorities I set out

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only a month ago. Later to David the First Minister will underline our

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determination to promote excellence and equity in our education system

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by publishing Avenue education delivery plan. We will not waver in

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our determination to promote equalities, the economy and our

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situation of priorities. This situation will not stop us making

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Scotland a better country for people living and working here. Our

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decision to protect our place in the European Union will be part of that

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work. Presiding officer, to conclude I am asking Parliament to recognise

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the position Scotland has been placed in by the referendum result,

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a physician at odds with the will of the Scottish people. -- a position.

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I'm asking the Scottish parliament is support the motion we're bringing

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forward today. Scotland has voted to remain in Europe, we must take all

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the action necessary to insure the will of the Scottish people is

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respected. I am asking the chamber to support the government in the

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challenge that lies ahead of us, and for all of us to work together and

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to do our best to turn this moment of disappointment and regret into a

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new and promising beginning based on our common values our shared

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commitment to the people we serve. APPLAUSE.

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Can I thank the First Minister for her statement? Rather than take

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questions, we will move to a full debate on the European referendum.

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Can I ask the Cabinet Secretary for culture to move the motion for the

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First Minister? Formally moved. Can I ask the ministers wishing to speak

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to press their buttons. I suggest we allow the opening speakers from each

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party not to be interrupted. I call on Ruth Davidson. Presiding officer,

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I thank the First Minister for advanced notice of her statement.

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Too often political events are described as seismic, the tremors

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are more for politicians than working people. Last week's

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referendum was not one of them. It is a defining moment in our

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country's story. Deeply significant for all of us. I find myself

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reflecting, this time seven days ago I was in final preparations for the

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BBC debate arguing in favour of the European Union, where I was told we

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were overplaying the impact of Brexit. A week is a long time in

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politics. Major constitutional decisions, like EU and Scottish

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independence have major economic consequences. Last week's decision

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was not the one I supported, not the one I campaigned for. I am deeply

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disappointed by the result. The first message I want to send

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two-day, my belief in our capacity to meet the challenges we face has

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not diminished one inch. Those challenges are great, indeed.

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Complex. Questions upon questions, with more that have not been

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formulated, never mind answered. We are a nation with a fundamentally

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strong economy, educated workforce, developed a diplomatic network, and

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a capacity to overcome the challenges we face, of that I am

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certain. We are seeking to amend the gunmen's motion, let me set out

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where we support it. First and foremost, let us unite in this

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Parliament saying to people across the European Union, you are welcome,

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you are wanted, your contribution is recognised, this is your own. Too

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often, I fear... I fear the referendum debate is guilty

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discussing the contribution of EU migrants to this country as some

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sort of necessary evil, to fill the gaps in our labour market. Let us

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say it loud and clear, we don't just need your labour, we want your

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values, your brains, your culture and we want you. Let us unite in

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expressing the discuss in the attacks that EU citizens have faced

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in the day since referendum. The Scottish Conservatives pledge their

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support for the Scottish Government work with the UK Government in the

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coming weeks and months at the very negotiations are taking forward. It

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cannot be overstated how important this new settlement will be for all

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of us. It will define our new relationship with the European Union

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for generations. It is vital we get it right. It is vital all the voices

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are heard in putting the deal together. I won the First Minister

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of Scotland involved. I want the first ministers of Wales and

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Northern Ireland involved. Having stood alongside him last week,

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having seen him argue for the city, I can be so Lisa Dowd what the Mayor

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of London involved too. I'm pleased the Prime Minister has said he wants

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the default administrations involved. The correct way to

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progress. Even though the vote was to leave the EU, how emotion makes

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it clear we want to protect and maximise Scotland's place in Europe

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and the single market. I am not going to try and pretend this will

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be easy. My scepticism is on record. We all have a duty to those many

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people whose jobs rely on trade with EU member states to put scepticism

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to one side, and push for the best possible deal. In so doing, we need

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to ask practical questions, do we want Scotland to remain subject to

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EU law? Denouement powers over fishing, farming and the environment

:24:43.:24:47.

held in Brussels or this chamber? How do we protect the rights of the

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Scottish financial services industry? Some of the practical

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tasks that will lie ahead in the short and medium term. In saying

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that, I do not brush aside the more fundamental consequences of last

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weeks results? Consequences in Scotland have a wider and deeper

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significance. As our amendment makes clear, Scotland and Northern Ireland

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are to leave the European Union even though the majority did not want it.

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In response the First Minister has made it clear in the days since the

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date that she was to explore what options are available to Scotland.

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Let me say where we agree. We welcome the formation of a standing

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counsel of experts will stop the more expertise we have the better.

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If the Scottish Government wants to explore Scotland's options from

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within the United Kingdom, we can support that. After this stage we

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have concerns with the Scottish gunmen's approach since the days the

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result was announced. I cannot support that the Scottish gunmen had

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pushed questions of independence from consent. The First Minister's

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announcement that she had instructed Scottish officials to draw up the

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necessary legislation for a second referendum for independence. Nor can

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I ignore the First Minister justifying this on the basis... In

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order to remain European country, a referendum may have to happen. I

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heard the first Mr telling us this nation is nothing to do with

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independence. In the days since the result last week, it feels too many

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people that the SNP is talking about nothing but independence, doing so

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today. The First Minister speaks of people

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in Scotland worried and outraged at the EU result. I feel duty bound to

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speak up for the many people of Scotland who have contacted myself

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and my colleagues in the past few days to say that they, too, are

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deeply worried about the prospect of another referendum on independence.

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That is why we have included our opposition to this post back in our

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amendment today. You do not dampen the shock waves caused by one

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referendum by lighting the fuse on another nor by saying that the

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economic impact of leaving one union says that you should leave the union

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whose value and trade eclipses the other many times over. My abdomen is

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this post BR admits in favour of the UK in 2014 were not based on the

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risk of independence as convincing as they were, but because I believe

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that we, in Britain, have more in common than that which divides us.

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Does last week 's vote test that motion 's registered does, and there

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is little point in pretending otherwise. It tests, but it does not

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break it. It does not break the continuing logic of sharing power

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with the United Kingdom, not splitting from it. It does not break

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the arguments in favour of or in single market, a market that is more

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important to Scotland 's prosperity than the EU, not less. It does not

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break our shared story which despite the shock waves of the last few

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days, will endure. And the referendum result last week does not

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overturn the vote we had 21 months ago to remain part of the UK. I know

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that many people are hurt by the week -- last week 's result, pulling

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some have voted no in 2014. I am one of them. But the lesson of last week

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's referendum are not a simple them and us, not when 1 million of our

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countrymen voted to leave, too. The lessons are far more profound. We

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have more in common across the UK than that which divides us? Yes, we

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have way, way too much in common. We have people who feel disempowered

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and voiceless. Anger at the way that power has been abused in politics,

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finance and the media, frustration and lack of access and barriers to

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social mobility and a growing sense of insecurity amongst families who

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feel that the world is passing them by. These are the questions we must

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face up to as a country, as we reflect on this debate. And they

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affect all of us, no matter which part of the UK you are from. These

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are the questions we should be answering, not repeating the same

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old arguments of the past. Presiding Officer, I think we can all agree

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that referendums are bruising, and not just bruising but on matters of

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such significance, they are wounding, too. From now on, I hope

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we find time to learn the right lessons, not the wrong ones, to

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emerge as a stronger society, a better nation and they still United

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Kingdom. I moved the amendment in my name. Recall Kezia Dugdale.

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Presiding Officer, we live in uncertain times. The social,

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political and economic order has been turned upside down. It will

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take many months and years for us to fully grasp the consequences. We

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have already seen the collapse in the pound, the fall in the value of

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companies, businesses uncertain about people and investments. Those

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whose jobs rely on access to the EU single market worry what the future

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holds. That may echo what other people have said in our message to

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EU migrants living and working in Scotland. You contribute not to just

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do the economy but to society and a culture that we have built together,

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so let me say to the 180,000 EU migrants living in Scotland on

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behalf of these benches, you are welcome.

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APPLAUSE 20% of them live here in Edinburgh.

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A city that I have a great honour of representing in this Parliament. 74%

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here voted to remain, one of the highest results in all of the United

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Kingdom. I know that there are people in this great city who,

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despite the support from their neighbours, now feel ill at ease.

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Because they have built their lives here and they now feel uncertain and

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anxious. As we fight for their rights and against the rising racism

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we must continue to show them love and understanding. We must also

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understand, however, that there were only in Scots who voted to leave the

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European Union. -- there were 1 million Scots. The Leave campaign

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contained some of the worst dog whistle racism and xenophobia that I

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have heard in my life. APPLAUSE

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Dog whistles that prone to foghorns whenever Nigel Farage spoke or

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unveiled a poster. That does not make every leave both a xenophobe or

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right-winger. There are working class communities here in Edinburgh

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and in Glasgow, just as there are in Sunderland and Sheffield, who feel

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powerless and are angry at the establishment. I was at the Glasgow

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count. I saw boxes in the First Minister 's own constituency split

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50-50. Here in Edinburgh, in the seat I sought to represent, the

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pro-communities in Madrid he wanted out, as they did in Sighthill and

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elsewhere in the city. This is the result, even in Scotland is not as

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straightforward as some have sought to pretend, and of us in this

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Chamber have a duty to better understand that and to listen and to

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Act upon what we hear. But we didn't vote in community 's, constituencies

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towns and as nations, we voted as one country, the United Kingdom. A

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country that we, as Scots, reaffirmed our commitment to just 18

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months ago. Millions of Scots want to be part of both unions. And that

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is why it is so important that we give the First Minister a la support

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to do everything she can to secure Scotland 's place in the European

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Union -- our support. We will support the government efforts to do

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the best it can to mitigate the worst of Brexit, but to strengthen

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also Scotland 's ties with European neighbours and allies. The priority

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must be securing jobs and the rights of workers. And all options for

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protecting Scotland 's place in a single market must be explored,

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including a federalised United Kingdom which could see both nations

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of the UK who voted to remain retained their membership and

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achieve associated status. The Labour Party stands ready to offer

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assistance where they can to the government. But that support is not

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unconditional. This Parliament will soon go into recess and not return

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for two months. It used to be said week was a long time in politics.

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One day in British politics just now feels like a lifetime. And in that

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context, two months is an eternity. Our recall of Parliament cannot be

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ruled out. The First Minister may leave this Chamber with the faith of

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these benches to speak to Europe and the best interests of securing

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Scotland 's future in the EU and the UK, but that faith can only be

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maintained by regular communication and involvement and briefings from

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government to opposition parties. A faith maintained by the continued

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understanding that, as First Minister, she travels to Europe with

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a duty to represent Scots that voted both yes and no, Scots that voted

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both remain and leave. But that they would be betrayed if, at any point,

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the First Minister tries to present our support for this motion as

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support for a second independence referendum. And on that basis, we

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cannot support the Tory amendment, because it removes support for the

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government to speak to the EU institutions and member states

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regarding Scotland 's future. The last line of the Tory motion also

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says this. Believes that the challenges of leaving the EU are not

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addressed by leaving the UK, Scotland 's own union of Nations,

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biggest market and closest friends. So let me warn Miss Davidson that

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she had better not dare to suggest that Labour's failure to back her

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motion is somehow a failure to back the United Kingdom. And I struggle

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to put into words that the anger that I feel towards her party at the

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moment. And anger that has been building since David Cameron

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announced in this post for English laws within minutes of the Scottish

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independence referendum result. And anger that grew when her party set

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Scottish voters against English voters in a hugely divisive and

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disingenuous to thousands 15 campaign. Anger at a party that

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forced this EU referendum on a country that did not want it, only

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to resolve a contest in the Tory Party!

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APPLAUSE And Tory campaign in last month 's

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election that told the nation that all that mattered was whether he

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wore a unionist or a Nationalist -- whether you wear red unionist and

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Nationalist. That had no vision for Scotland and boiled down to just two

:36:28.:36:32.

key messages. One, you can only trust the Tories to protect the

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union. How is that going now, Ruth? And two, that the Tories would for a

:36:40.:36:44.

strong opposition. And all that they stand opposed to today is giving the

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First Minister some support to speak to EU institutions about our future.

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The Tories up at the future of the United Kingdom in danger of every

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kind, and it is I time they showed some responsibility for that.

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APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, the priority of

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these benches is to focus on jobs and the economy and make the best of

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a very bad situation, and we will support the government tonight to do

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just that. APPLAUSE

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I called Patrick Harvie. I am grateful for the opportunity to

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contribute to a debate which, like others, I wish we were not having to

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have. I would like to thank the First Minister four for an advance

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copy of her statement and I agree with the substance of it, and I

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appreciate the tone in which it was made all stop can I also thank my

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own colleagues in the Scottish Green Party you went out and campaign?

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They were tired, they put their energy, like all party activists and

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campaigners, their energy, time and money into an election campaign for

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national elections just weeks previously, but they went out and

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campaigned and, along with colleagues across the political

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spectrum, they secured a strong a democratic mandate from the people

:38:14.:38:17.

of Scotland, we are European and we are staying European. I want to

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endorse the First Minister 's comments about immigration in

:38:23.:38:27.

particular. And our respect for migrants who come here, you have

:38:28.:38:30.

chosen to be part of our society, whether from the EU or from other

:38:31.:38:35.

parts of the world, who are feeling excluded, feeling divided from our

:38:36.:38:41.

society, as we speak. As a German citizen who spoke at a rally outside

:38:42.:38:45.

Parliament make clear, the feeling of isolation, many people have been

:38:46.:38:48.

forced to endure over recent weeks and months is unacceptable. There is

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a Jedinak anger at -- legitimate Angharad years of political and

:38:58.:39:00.

media pandering to racism and xenophobia that has taken place in

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this country, and those who are responsible for that, those in

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politics and in the media who have taken part in that there are a heavy

:39:12.:39:15.

responsibility for the scenes that we have now seen. The far right and

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racist tendencies which have been cultivated during this campaign and

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given disturbing expression since the result, must be opposed. The

:39:25.:39:28.

failure of the political mainstream, and I think Kezia Dugdale had a very

:39:29.:39:34.

sound point on this, the failure of the political mainstream to build an

:39:35.:39:37.

economy which works for the common good has left huge numbers of April

:39:38.:39:43.

feeling angry and alienate it. Those feelings are justified. The Brexit

:39:44.:39:47.

debate has channelled them into the politics of division and hatred,

:39:48.:39:52.

both at home and risks giving momentum to far right and

:39:53.:39:54.

anti-European movements elsewhere across Europe. Bolieve campaigns,

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both of them, were Alty of far more explicitly cultivating this

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reaction. But even remain side in my opinion fell significantly to give a

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robust challenge to the notion that Eagle 's right to freedom movement

:40:11.:40:14.

is somehow a burden to stop in truth it is a principle of huge

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importance. And it is one which the Green Party will continue to defend.

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We will certainly be supporting the government motion tonight and I want

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to make it clear that we will continue to advocate for the clear

:40:27.:40:29.

mandate that has been given by the people of Scotland, as advocated

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also by many of our European colleagues in a number of different

:40:35.:40:37.

political parties. I would like to thank those in the European Green

:40:38.:40:41.

movement who have helped soften the language around an immediate

:40:42.:40:44.

triggering of Article 50, which will give no time for the serious

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consideration necessary or for the contribution that the Scottish

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Government is expected to make on all of our behalf, to the

:40:52.:40:55.

negotiation process. That process must be allowed time. All options as

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well must remain on the table for achieving that. This is clearly a

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unique situation that we are facing. Our path towards EU membership, if

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it takes place, will also be unique and paired with any other part of

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the EU membership that the country has taken and it may be that after

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exploring all options, far more people than voted yes in 2040 make

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include that independence is the only way to achieve it. -- in 2014.

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We have a contrast. The clear assertion of Scotland 's mandate

:41:35.:41:37.

with the utter chaos we see in the Leave camp and a fundamental

:41:38.:41:42.

dishonesty in their campaign. How many times will be told that the

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campaign was intended to "Take back control" stock take back control of

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borders, money, however spurious figures were about money, and now

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they are claiming that we can stay in a single market. There is no such

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thing as a single market, if you don't have free movement of labour.

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It is a fundamental aspect of the free market. It is also abundantly

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clear that accessed that the market, that single market will also include

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a financial contribution if it can even be negotiated.

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This is that is something that needs to be challenged. I have no surprise

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we ever heard of dishonesty, racism, from the likes of Boris Johnson,

:42:37.:42:40.

Ukip and the right-wing media. We cannot allow that kind of rhetoric

:42:41.:42:44.

or language to be part of the Scottish political landscape. I

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would like to remind the chamber something Ruth Davidson said when we

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were debating a different constitutional transition not so

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very long ago, she said those opposing transition must have the

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trust of the people to safeguard national security, the nation

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state's economic security, and safeguard the nation state's

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political security by establishing its place in the world through

:43:11.:43:14.

membership of international organisations such as the European

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Union. How is that going right now? The UK Government has demonstrated a

:43:19.:43:24.

historic failure on all three counts, across people of this

:43:25.:43:33.

country, Scotland and the wider United Kingdom. Ruth Davidson also

:43:34.:43:40.

argues the 2014 results must be respected, just as much as this

:43:41.:43:46.

year's referendum result. The 2014 result is fundamentally superseded.

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I would remind the chamber of a comment from the better together

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campaign, on the 2nd of September 2014, weeks before the referendum.

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What is the process for removing our AEEU citizenship? Voting yes. -- our

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AEEU citizenship? People voted on a false prospectus and promise that

:44:12.:44:15.

membership of the European Union would be protected in those

:44:16.:44:22.

circumstances, and it has not been. I have personally spoken to people,

:44:23.:44:26.

strangers and friends across the political spectrum. I even have

:44:27.:44:30.

friends who vote Tory, telling me they are ready to re-evaluate the no

:44:31.:44:38.

vote they cast in 2014, May one has the right to close down that four

:44:39.:44:43.

people in Scotland. Residing officer, the Greens will continue to

:44:44.:44:49.

respect the mandate of voters in Scotland, given so clearly. It must

:44:50.:44:53.

ensure that all options remain on the table, on that basis we will

:44:54.:44:58.

certainly support the actions the First Minister has set out in

:44:59.:45:01.

preparing the ground for a further independence referendum should it be

:45:02.:45:06.

necessary and be the will of the people of Scotland. We will support

:45:07.:45:09.

the right of the Scottish Government to enter into the negotiations,

:45:10.:45:14.

while respecting the need for them to return and secure a Parliamentary

:45:15.:45:19.

majority every step of the way. We will continue to express respect for

:45:20.:45:22.

the people who have moved to Scotland, contributed to our

:45:23.:45:26.

society, and continue to advocate, whatever solution that Scotland and

:45:27.:45:31.

the rest of the UK seek, free movement of people remains a

:45:32.:45:36.

fundamental principle. We will advocate for the human rights, the

:45:37.:45:40.

social protection, the quality, the strong environmental protection, the

:45:41.:45:45.

achievements hard-won which the European Union has helped to

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achieve, and which are directly under threat by the decision so

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recklessly taking a week ago. Thank you, presiding officer. I have

:45:52.:46:07.

lost elections, I took my loss in Dunfermline in 2010 very hard and

:46:08.:46:13.

very personally. No election defeat has made me feel like I felt in the

:46:14.:46:21.

early hours of last Friday. A deep sense of loss. Loss of part of my

:46:22.:46:26.

soul, and what I believe to be the sole of this country. Outward

:46:27.:46:32.

looking, compassionate, tolerant, open, generous. These are the

:46:33.:46:38.

attributes I associate with my country. A country that does not

:46:39.:46:45.

walk on the other side of the road. But that is exactly what our country

:46:46.:46:51.

did last Thursday. There are the practical benefits, too. Tackling

:46:52.:46:55.

crime with a European arrest warrant, that is gone. Cooperation

:46:56.:47:01.

on climate change, gone. Single market, gone. Improved social

:47:02.:47:07.

conditions gone. All of these and so many others just gone. We are

:47:08.:47:11.

already seeing the effect on the value of the pound, company shares,

:47:12.:47:19.

and credit ratings. I am angry that we have been recklessly led down

:47:20.:47:23.

this path. Angry that prices in shops will rise because of the

:47:24.:47:29.

higher cost of imports. That people's savings are falling in

:47:30.:47:36.

value. Job losses are on the cards. Yet it is not Boris Johnson who will

:47:37.:47:40.

suffer. Michael Gove may lose some money, he has stacks more to get by.

:47:41.:47:51.

Nigel Farage simply does not care. Ordinary people on low and modest

:47:52.:47:54.

incomes who will lose. These are the victims of this crisis. I hope David

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Cameron is feeling guilty. He should feel guilty for imposing the

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divisions of his party on the country. That responsibility applies

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to every single Conservative in this Parliament, including Ruth Davidson.

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The economic chaos means the Tories can never again claim to be the

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defenders of the economy. After the surge in the support for

:48:26.:48:30.

independence at the weekend, nor can the Tories claimed to be the

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defenders of the union. This economic and constitutional crisis.

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Ruth Davidson is not defending the union, she is undermining it. No

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Tory amendment can hide that roof. With every election loss, I have

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lived to fight another day. I am here today because I got off my

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knees to fight and win again. The United Kingdom's place in Europe

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will live to fight another day, and I are determined to fight for it. My

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party will contest the next general election on a clear platform of

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supporting the United Kingdom's place in Europe. 7000 new members

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have joined our party to campaign with us to win their case. I want

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Scotland in the United Kingdom, and the United Kingdom in Europe. That

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is the best possible option, I will not settle for anything less. We do

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need to understand however YY million people in Scotland voted to

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leave the European Union. -- Y 1 million people. It is of little

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surprise if you have a minimum wage job, zero hours contract, a house

:49:47.:49:54.

with damp, a car failing its MOT, you believe nothing is to lose. You

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may believe a Conservative Prime Minister that tells you the the

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status quo is good for you. The European Union did not supply those

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conditions, but they were an easy target. David Cameron and generally

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call them were unable to make a case for the European Union. The First

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Minister knows I oppose another independence referendum, I made that

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commitment during the election last month. Two-day's nation does not

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endorse independence, the First Minister has made that clear, and in

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additional words beyond her statement, it was provided to us

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fairly, she said that was emphatically say. I welcome that,

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that is a welcome remark. I welcome the First Minister reaching out to

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other parties to engage in the negotiation process. I immediately

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agreed on Friday to participate, as long as it was not a cunning plan to

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deliver independence. I want to explore options, whether it is

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bizarrely named reverse Greenland, working with London, Northern

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Ireland or Gibraltar. We need to fully understand before we move

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ahead, and rushing headlong into independence will undermine those

:51:22.:51:26.

efforts. There is so much we simply do not know. Making decisions we do

:51:27.:51:31.

not know should be one of the lessons from last week. In my

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constituency of North East Fife, I have many thriving businesses. They

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are thriving in part through the hard graft of workers from across

:51:46.:51:50.

the continent, as well as those closer to home. Working together in

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harmony. Fishes, laundry services, cattle producers, farmers, hotels,

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restaurants in St Andrews and beyond. They work hard, making those

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businesses successful. They have married, settle, paid taxes. They

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are one of us. They will never stop being one of us. I know many who

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will be offended by the decision last week. I want them to know that

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we're standing with them today. We are determined to recapture the soul

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of this country. Once again, so it is out the looking, compassionate,

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tolerant, open and generous. Thank you. -- so it is once again outward

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looking. Can I take members for not intervening on the opening statement

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stop point of order. Mr Findlay. The decision last Thursday had issued

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consequences for all our constituents and the country. By

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Friday this Parliament will have had a grand total of three hours and a

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limited number of speakers called to debate this issue. We will love hath

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no opportunity to question the First Minister of the government, for

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other parties to question leaders of my party and the other parties. Such

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is the importance of this, I think this is an issue for Parliament, not

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party political issues. We must be given more time for other people to

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engage in this debate, this is of huge consequence. That is not a

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point of order, a matter of consideration at the business bureau

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this morning. The business managers gave this a great deal of thought.

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Huge demand to speak and discuss the matter. To date is this the

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beginning, not the end of the matter. The opportunity to put

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questions to the First Minister on Thursday, in the meantime, two-day's

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debate gives many members a chance to contribute. We moved to the

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debate. June McAlpine. Thank you presiding officer. I'm

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sure many members from across the chamber will have been shocked as I

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was this morning, to hear Lord Forsyth, on the board of the League

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campaign bullishly telling BBC Radio Scotland that there was no need for

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a blueprint for Brexit, it was not for Leave to have a blueprint, it

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was for the government. It betrays the arrogance and recklessness of

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the Brexit campaign. It is almost that the UK Government, who called

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the referee did not have a blueprint. Our future would now rest

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in the hands of Oliver Letwin. The Parliamentary committee saw this

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coming, they have an enquiry into the consequences of Brexit,

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reporting early this year. Reading through the report is a common

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theme, the failure of the UK Government to provide answers, and

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the failure of the UK Government even to send the Minister to listen

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to the committee's concerns. Not just the committee's concerns, the

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concerns of the witnesses that came to that committee. Universities,

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businesses, agricultural sector. Asking what would replace the money

:55:30.:55:34.

that comes directly to Scotland from Brussels, if there was a Leave vote.

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It is worth recounting those sums. EU students at Scottish universities

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pump ?174 million into the Scottish economy every year. 88 million doses

:55:48.:55:52.

fund Scottish research and universities. Scottish farmers got a

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dungeon 24 million from the EU in 2014. The National Farmers' Union in

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Scotland says for every ?1 of EU payments to Scotland, that puts ?4

:56:03.:56:10.

million into the river and economy. European structural funds in

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Scotland from 2014, to 2020 is worth 929 million euros. Pain from

:56:17.:56:23.

everything from roads to rural communities. Supporting broadband,

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farm diversification. Money that comes Ju Reti from Europe as I said.

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Time and time again, the report from the last Europe committee pointed

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out it was not clear that the block grant would be adjusted to

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compensate for the loss of the funds. That is before you consider

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the losses incurred from losing access to the European market, or

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our loss of European citizenship. More fundamentally the kind of

:56:50.:56:55.

country we wish to live in. The kind of country that we want to live in,

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open, welcoming to people from across Europe and other countries,

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and quite the opposite of the terrible racism that others have

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mentioned we saw character rising the league campaign.

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While I do not speak as the new convener of the

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Parliament 's offer from the First Minister to meet the committee at

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the first opportunity. The government are now exploring how we

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can work with others, including that you keep and EU is -- UK and EU

:57:41.:57:47.

institutions to explore how Scotland can stay within the EU, even if

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other parts of the UK, notably England, leaves. Senior political

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figures in Europe have responded warmly. I was very pleased to hear

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some of the comments from the debate in the Irish Parliament yesterday,

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praising Scotland as an ancient European nation, one with its own

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jurisdiction and one that was a very strong member and supporter of the

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European ideal. I was pleased to hear Scotland 's farming Cabinet

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Secretary Fergus Ewing say that his EU counterparts yesterday had been

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very positive and sympathetic towards the predicament in which

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Scotland finds itself. It is not impossible that such a compromise

:58:33.:58:36.

could be reached. We have heard about the Denmark and Greenland

:58:37.:58:42.

situation in the past. And European leaders are pragmatic in

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circumstances when demanded, for example they rapidly absorbed East

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Germany into the community after the bell and wall fell and the committee

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of experts clearly had a vital role to play here, but we also need to be

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practical. It is also likely that such an arrangement may prove

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impossible to negotiate. And I noted that Sir David Edwards, who is going

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to be a member of the standing committee, had expressed scepticism

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about achieving this compromise. I know that he's linked to be a

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witness to the committee on Thursday. I very look forward to

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hearing what he has to say. I am concerned about the chances of

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negotiating a compromise because much of it will require the

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cooperation of a Westminster government which may soon be in the

:59:30.:59:32.

grip of leadership even more right-wing than those that we

:59:33.:59:44.

currently in Dewar. -- endure. Once the UK triggers the Brexit process

:59:45.:59:49.

through section 50, it has just two years to do a deal, and unless the

:59:50.:59:54.

Council of Europe agrees to extend the time which appears on likely

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given recent statements coming out of the EU, then a guillotine will

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fall under section 50 and the UK will be cut off with whatever deal

:00:03.:00:06.

the EU decides to give it, and we cannot have Scotland similarly

:00:07.:00:12.

marooned. If independence is then the only option remaining then we

:00:13.:00:19.

have to have that independence referendum before the guillotine

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falls, because if we vote yes, if we have a referendum after, after the

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guillotine falls, and we vote yes, we would then have to renegotiate

:00:28.:00:33.

our entry into the youth outside, which I am sure is something that

:00:34.:00:37.

nobody wants. It is something that Kirsty Hughes, who is also going to

:00:38.:00:41.

be a witness at the committee on Thursday, who is a member of friends

:00:42.:00:45.

of Europe and the distinguished academic, subject, has written

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extensively on. I look forward to hearing what she has to say. This is

:00:50.:00:54.

not a headlong rush towards independence as Willie Rennie

:00:55.:00:59.

suggested. It is a contingency measure in Scotland 's best

:01:00.:01:02.

interests to put this legislation in place. It is an important

:01:03.:01:06.

contingency measure. The priority now is to Act in the best interest

:01:07.:01:13.

of all of the people of Scotland whatever their views on

:01:14.:01:16.

independence, and I, for one, very much will back the support of other

:01:17.:01:21.

countries across this Chamber -- parties across this Chamber because

:01:22.:01:25.

it is important that we Act, as one, if all the people of Scotland, and

:01:26.:01:30.

we will also always be led by the people of Scotland and their

:01:31.:01:34.

interests, first and foremost. Adam Tomkins to be followed by Richard

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Lockett. I said in my maiden speech in this Parliament, I wanted the

:01:40.:01:44.

United Kingdom to remain in the EU. And like all members on these

:01:45.:01:48.

benches to say that I am disappointed in last week 's result

:01:49.:01:51.

is something of an understatement. My real reaction to the result could

:01:52.:01:57.

not be translated into Parliamentary language. I have seen nothing since

:01:58.:02:03.

Friday to make me think that I was wrong and I believe is the best

:02:04.:02:06.

outcome for the public interest. In these remarks, I want to look to the

:02:07.:02:10.

future, not hark back on a campaign lost. The people of the UK voted to

:02:11.:02:17.

leave the EU. That much is clear. But only that much. Exactly what

:02:18.:02:22.

leaving the EU now means is anything but clear. And there is not merely

:02:23.:02:28.

an opportunity but an obligation for all of us to begin to flesh out

:02:29.:02:32.

whether we wanted this outcome or not, what we think leave should now

:02:33.:02:38.

mean. We're going to be entering into long negotiations with European

:02:39.:02:42.

partners. And the first task is to identify exactly what it is that we

:02:43.:02:47.

will be negotiating to achieve. The First Minister has said she wants to

:02:48.:02:50.

preserve Scotland 's position in the European Union. Fine. But quite what

:02:51.:02:57.

this means is also unclear. Scotland, of course, is not and

:02:58.:03:00.

never has been one of the U member states, and about in Scotland last

:03:01.:03:04.

week was to seek to preserve the UK 's status as a member state, not to

:03:05.:03:08.

insist that Scotland becomes a new member state. The First Minister has

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said she will appoint an expert advisory panel to look at what she

:03:13.:03:18.

has described as all the options and by what Magnus and offer to assist

:03:19.:03:23.

in any way that I can. So, what should leave mean? And what are the

:03:24.:03:28.

options for Scotland? To my mind, leave should mean that we retain

:03:29.:03:33.

full access to the EU 's single market. As I understand it, even

:03:34.:03:37.

those small numbers of MSPs who advocated the leave vote are of the

:03:38.:03:41.

view that we should maintain Aspel and access to the singer market as

:03:42.:03:45.

possible. We may be, as has been remarked several since -- several

:03:46.:03:49.

times since Friday, in uncharted territory. But there are still some

:03:50.:03:53.

things we do know. Leaving the EU political institutions does not mean

:03:54.:03:57.

that we have to leave its single market, because there are several

:03:58.:04:01.

countries including Norway, a place that the SNP often likes to talk

:04:02.:04:04.

about, who have just such an arrangement. What are the options

:04:05.:04:07.

for Scotland was Akroum again, they are many. And our obligation now is

:04:08.:04:14.

to put some flesh on the bones. Let me give an example. At the moment it

:04:15.:04:19.

is out with the legislative competence of this Parliament to

:04:20.:04:22.

enact law that is incompatible with EU law. We, as a Parliament could

:04:23.:04:27.

perfectly easily maintained that rule after the UK ceases to be an EU

:04:28.:04:32.

member state. We could pass an Act providing that all Scottish

:04:33.:04:34.

legislation is to be read and given effect subject to EU law and we

:04:35.:04:41.

could confirm in the Court of Session the jurisdiction to quash

:04:42.:04:44.

any legislation that is incompatible with European law. All of this is

:04:45.:04:48.

perfectly possible within our current legislative competence.

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Presiding Officer, I make no pretence that the last two days have

:04:54.:04:57.

been easy. We have lost a Prime Minister. There is volatility in the

:04:58.:05:01.

markets and we face the prospect of difficult and protracted

:05:02.:05:06.

negotiations. But one positive note struck in the past few days is the

:05:07.:05:09.

point strongly made by the Prime Minister that in those negotiations,

:05:10.:05:12.

the Scottish Government should play a leading role along with the

:05:13.:05:16.

devolved administrations in Northern Ireland and Wales. As the Prime

:05:17.:05:21.

Minister said, it is important, vital, that the interests of all

:05:22.:05:27.

parts of the UK are representative effectively and properly in those

:05:28.:05:34.

negotiations. Of those advocating Scottish independence at their

:05:35.:05:37.

referendum in 2014, First Minister Alex Salmond said he would put

:05:38.:05:40.

together an all-party team from Scotland to negotiate on behalf of

:05:41.:05:44.

the nation. Likewise, now, the UK Government will put together an

:05:45.:05:49.

inclusive team negotiate on behalf of all the nations, England,

:05:50.:05:51.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. This is as it should be.

:05:52.:06:03.

... Now people want to see their politicians working together in the

:06:04.:06:10.

best interests of the country. This is not where we wanted to be. Mike

:06:11.:06:21.

rumbles. There is not a member in this Parliament more pro-UK than

:06:22.:06:24.

myself. Would you not agree that when the First Minister said about

:06:25.:06:30.

for this motion is not a vote for a referendum on independence, that we

:06:31.:06:36.

should work together across the Chamber, we should all work together

:06:37.:06:40.

and support the motion put forward by the government. I think we should

:06:41.:06:47.

work together to help the United Kingdom negotiate what it means by

:06:48.:06:51.

leave and to maintain and safeguard the interests of Scotland. I have

:06:52.:06:54.

made that her thickly clear. What Scots now want to see -- perfectly

:06:55.:07:01.

clear. Scots want to see politicians working together in the best

:07:02.:07:03.

interests of this country. This is not where we wanted to be. This is

:07:04.:07:08.

where we are. So let's try and make the best of it, together. Thank you.

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APPLAUSE I call Richard Lockett to be

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followed by Anas Sarwar. I spent the weekend attending constituency

:07:26.:07:28.

events. Thousands of people attended those and everyone wants to talk

:07:29.:07:33.

about the referendum. People go from those who voted remain and who voted

:07:34.:07:36.

for leave as well, and they are now extremely anxious about the future

:07:37.:07:40.

and their children's future and the future of Scotland. I have been

:07:41.:07:44.

inundated with e-mails and letters over the last few days. A lady said

:07:45.:07:52.

I have two daughters aged two and four, what kind of country are they

:07:53.:07:56.

going to grow up in? I am truly fearful for the future. The one

:07:57.:08:01.

thing everyone had in common was that they are keen for all

:08:02.:08:04.

politicians in this Parliament in Scotland to show leadership in these

:08:05.:08:09.

difficult times, especially given the vacuum at UK level that we are

:08:10.:08:12.

witnessing. That is why the debate today is so important. We must deal

:08:13.:08:18.

with what may turn out to be the biggest event so far in our

:08:19.:08:23.

lifetimes and post-war Europe. There have been other seminal events since

:08:24.:08:26.

post-war, the fall of the Berlin Wall which was about solidarity,

:08:27.:08:31.

when Eastern European countries joined the Andrea Burk them with

:08:32.:08:36.

open arms. The UK has now chosen isolation over Corporation and

:08:37.:08:41.

damaged European unity. It is noted that the referendum result has been

:08:42.:08:44.

welcomed by some of the most extremist voices across Europe.

:08:45.:08:48.

People hoping to put forward extremist agendas based on

:08:49.:08:53.

scapegoating minorities and others to blame for Europe 's current woes.

:08:54.:08:58.

We must hope that the UK decision does not lead to a domino effect as

:08:59.:09:01.

reverberations of Brexit are felt across the whole of Europe. By

:09:02.:09:08.

working together in this Parliament civic Scotland, to secure our nation

:09:09.:09:13.

's place in Europe we can send out a message of hope and optimism to its

:09:14.:09:18.

peoples. A message that says Scotland once an outward looking,

:09:19.:09:22.

modern, European country where we embrace rather than reject

:09:23.:09:26.

differences, and we are not going to run away from Europe 's tough

:09:27.:09:30.

challenges. I would urge all parties in this Chamber to focus on the

:09:31.:09:33.

outcome that we all profess to want, which is to stay in Europe, in line

:09:34.:09:37.

with the democratic wishes expressed by the people last Thursday. And

:09:38.:09:42.

yes, we need time to consider all the options and consider the views

:09:43.:09:46.

of all parties, and I hear suggestions that we can remain part

:09:47.:09:51.

of the UK which is out of Europe last week and other parts of the UK

:09:52.:09:55.

remain in the EU, and I am looking forward to hearing the details of

:09:56.:09:59.

how that could work in practice and not lead to political and democratic

:10:00.:10:06.

messiness of blank cheques for constitutional and commercial

:10:07.:10:09.

lawyers for the rest of time. But the Parliament must be careful to

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listen to all views, in Parliament and out Parliament. The Minister is

:10:13.:10:17.

absolutely correct to say that a second independence referendum must

:10:18.:10:21.

be on the table. Many people who voted no in 2014 are now seeing,

:10:22.:10:24.

enough is enough to stop the reference point in the independence

:10:25.:10:28.

that they'd have been radically altered. Many no voters are saying

:10:29.:10:32.

that if it was a choice between remaining in an isolated UK out of

:10:33.:10:36.

Europe whilst we've voted to remain -- wasabi voted remain, or to be

:10:37.:10:41.

governed by Conservatives did not vote for either, then we will vote

:10:42.:10:44.

differently next time, and they deserve a voice. Could you perhaps

:10:45.:10:53.

explain why, if this motion which you are supporting and debating

:10:54.:10:57.

today, you are now the second back and chest in the Speaker and two out

:10:58.:11:02.

of two have moved on to independence and a second referendum. That is

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where the concern is from these benches when a large majority in

:11:07.:11:12.

your constituency are not supporting this motion. It would be couple of

:11:13.:11:16.

the Conservatives rallied round with one party in this Gibran put the

:11:17.:11:20.

Scottish interest first and not the UK.

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APPLAUSE In doing so, can I say that we

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cannot ignore the 30% of Scots who voted to leave but many had genuine

:11:30.:11:33.

concerns that need to be addressed. Europe is evolving and we need a

:11:34.:11:38.

vision of the kind of Europe we want Scotland to be part of. If we

:11:39.:11:43.

support a reform agenda we have to say what that is and we have to

:11:44.:11:45.

articulate it. The next two years will be momentous

:11:46.:11:53.

and decide the long-term for you chuck of Scotland. There are other

:11:54.:11:58.

steps we can now take to protect the interests of Scotland. Between now

:11:59.:12:02.

and Brexit many decisions are going to be taken in the EU that will

:12:03.:12:07.

impact our economy and communities. In this new environment I do not

:12:08.:12:11.

believe the UK is able to look after the interest of Scotland sub it is

:12:12.:12:15.

important that Scotland should formally request that our ministers

:12:16.:12:20.

from this government lead the UK delegations to those formal and

:12:21.:12:26.

informal councils of ministers meetings that will take place in

:12:27.:12:29.

Brussels and Luxembourg in the next two years where the genders are of

:12:30.:12:33.

relevance to the national interest of this country. Whether it is

:12:34.:12:39.

negotiating fish quotas or environmental policy relationships

:12:40.:12:42.

matter and attitude matters and commitment matters and goodwill on

:12:43.:12:45.

both sides of the table is absolutely essential. Negotiators

:12:46.:12:49.

want to know you will be serious and in it for the long term but we are

:12:50.:12:54.

now in the situation where the UK is walking away. There is no incentive

:12:55.:13:00.

on either side to bank negotiating capital for the future, but we do

:13:01.:13:05.

know there is goodwill towards Scotland and Europe, goodwill from

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member states and institutions, as we saw today in response to the

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speech from Allan Smith today. Scotland wants to participate and

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act in the long-term interest of our own priorities and Europe. Between

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now and Brexit Scottish ministers should be given the opportunity to

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lead for Europe in the UK. Finally before I close it would be an idea

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for the EU to postpone the UK presidency slot in 2017 that will be

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unable to beef fulfilled and that should be left open in case Scotland

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become a member state. That position should also be offered to Scotland

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or indeed Northern Ireland. Everyone please support this motion today

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that is unprecedented in anxious times. All parties should put

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Scotland's national interests before their own on this very special

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occasion and during these difficult and anxious times for Scotland. I

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voted remain on Thursday because I believed it was in the best interest

:14:18.:14:22.

of Scotland in the UK to do so. I felt a huge sadness to see the

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results as they came in and the biggest reason was that we have lost

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the opportunity to stop talking about constitutional politics and

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instead focus on the matters of issues right here and right now.

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Many of them are issues of life and death. Today's debate comes as new

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figures show that the expected standard on cancer treatment has now

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not been met for over three years. Let us not underestimate what

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happened on Thursday. This is a seismic event for the UK and the EU.

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There are millions of people across the United Kingdom who are deeply

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disappointed with the result in anxious about the consequences.

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Consequences dominated by the reaction and volatility in the

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markets. Let's be clear what the markets means. It is people's jobs,

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wages, mortgages and pensions. Our immediate priority must be to

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encourage calm heads and to protect individuals and businesses who may

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be affected by the volatility. This is not the time to think about

:15:30.:15:33.

short-term political interests, because what facing as a nation is

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much bigger than that. There is no doubt that the United Kingdom is at

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the start of an economic crisis overlaid by a constitutional crisis.

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That is why Scotland must play a full part in the process going

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forward. Indeed I believe the First Minister has a duty to engage in all

:15:56.:15:59.

talks and negotiations because rightly all options should remain

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open. That is why there must be a formal structure that allows all of

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the talents and peoples of the nations and regions, including

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Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and London, to be an equal part of

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the negotiation process so we can get the best deal possible for all

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parts of the United Kingdom. This structure should also have a remit

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to discuss and decide with significant powers being repatriated

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to the UK, where they should reside, it includes significant powers on

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fishing and farming that are crucial to the Scottish economy. I believe

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it is premature to talk about the timing of any future independence

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referendum, especially as we don't yet even know what the terms of the

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UK leaving the EU will be, or, indeed, what the terms of Scotland

:16:52.:16:55.

leaving the UK to join the EU would be, if that is even the case. The

:16:56.:17:04.

market volatility that we have seen in the last few days shows that

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asking people to make a decision without fully considering the

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consequences have implications that are dangerous for jobs, wages,

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mortgages and pensions. I welcome the tone that the First Minister has

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adopted since Thursday. She is right to say that we are in uncharted

:17:20.:17:24.

territory and I hope that that is a tone that continues in the weeks and

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months ahead. The First Minister is right to ask questions about the

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impact on the single market, on free movement, our currency and our

:17:33.:17:36.

international relationships going forward. We do need clarity on what

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the new arrangements will mean for the ?11.6 billion of trade that

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Scotland does with the EU, but we will also need clarity on what any

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new arrangements would mean for the ?48.5 billion of trade Scotland does

:17:52.:17:55.

with the rest of the United Kingdom. The First Minister is right that we

:17:56.:17:59.

need to see what the new arrangements will need for the tens

:18:00.:18:04.

of thousands of EU nationals living, studying and working in Scotland,

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and for the 135,000 Scots working in Europe, but we will also need

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clarity on what any new arrangements would mean further more than 500,000

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Scots living, working and studying in other parts of the United

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Kingdom. There are many unanswered questions. What would be the details

:18:23.:18:26.

of any deals for Scotland? What terms with the UK sector with the

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EU? What will be the status of the new relationship? How much access to

:18:32.:18:35.

EU markets will we retain or lose? Will the people of Scotland have

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their opportunity to have a say on any we negotiated terms on

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membership and crucially what guarantees would we have before any

:18:44.:18:50.

proposed vote on independence? The First Minister always makes the

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point that the UK is not the same now as it was in 2014, but I put it

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to this parliament that the EU may not be the same in two years as it

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is now. Let us not have some romantic view of the politics on

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mainland Europe. I bitterly oppose the right-wing politics of Boris

:19:09.:19:13.

Johnson and Michael Gove, but be in no doubt, they are made to look like

:19:14.:19:18.

moderates compared to Marie Le Pen of the French National party who

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could be president next year, or the rise of the far right party in

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Germany and Perdido Hooper are -- plan violent processes across

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Europe. The Slovakian Prime Minister said, multiculturalism is fix, is

:19:37.:19:41.

lamp as no place in Slovakia. This man may take over the rotating

:19:42.:19:46.

presidency in the coming weeks. There are many other mainstream and

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populist parties amongst them, climate change deniers comic

:19:52.:19:55.

anti-Semites and Islamophobe 's. Since Thursday we have seen an

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increase in hate crimes. In Glasgow neo-Nazi stickers have gone up,

:20:01.:20:05.

claiming white zones. We should send a strong message to all minorities

:20:06.:20:10.

that are here, that this is your home, and we stand with you in peace

:20:11.:20:15.

and unity and to the spreaders of hate we say it directly, it is not

:20:16.:20:20.

our minorities that are not welcome here, but you and your hateful views

:20:21.:20:25.

that are not welcome in Scotland and the United Kingdom. So, to conclude,

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there is much uncertainty over the coming months. We do not know what

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the negotiations will throw up so when the First Minister says that

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everything is on the table I really hope that she means it. We need to

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wait and see what the outcomes are of the negotiations, so we can make

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clear and reasoned decisions. That is why we need to have cool heads,

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to ensure we make decisions not with anger but with reason. Members are

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starting to allow their speeches to drift over time so could I ask you

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to have the about that. We face in Brexit something I thought we would

:21:10.:21:13.

never have 2-Face. Only a few weeks ago I said that the leave campaign

:21:14.:21:18.

seemed to have taken leave of their senses, threatening systematic cuts

:21:19.:21:21.

to the Scotland Budget and a reversal of the gains of definition

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in the event of that breaks and now we're hearing those calls. This sort

:21:26.:21:32.

of rhetoric from a key vote leave spokesman has shown that campaign in

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its true colours, hostile to the Scottish parliament, the consensus

:21:38.:21:41.

on this place in Holyrood and our voters, who voted overwhelmingly in

:21:42.:21:44.

favour of remaining within the European Union. We also hear that

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Theresa May, a potential candidate to be Prime Minister of this United

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Kingdom, we hear her say that we need to get out of the European

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Convention of human rights and it is to those rights that I will

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concentrate on today. Robert Burns wrote a while your's eyes are fixed

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on mighty things, them empires and fall of Kings... Amid this mighty

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fuss just let me mention the rights of women merit some attention. That

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poem was written about the time of the French Revolution with Europe in

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turmoil and war just around the corner at every turn. As that

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continued and popular reform societies abdicated Parliamentary

:22:30.:22:38.

reform there was the fear of the spread of revolutionary ideology on

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our home territory. How familiar that is today. In 1793 radical was

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arrested and transported and two said later we do not, we cannot

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consider ourselves as mode and melted down into another country.

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Have we not distinct courts, judges, juries, laws. Absolutely. He had

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been the architect of a new reform Society in Scotland and opted to

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reform club is unlimited to social class, that wasn't the case

:23:16.:23:23.

elsewhere. That brings us to what lies at the heart of this current EU

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debate, nationhood, citizen Hood, this is sovereignty and the rights

:23:31.:23:34.

of every man and woman. The fates of empires. Governments ignoring the

:23:35.:23:39.

will of people will face the dire consequences of it. We do not seek

:23:40.:23:45.

resolution or revolution, as described, we seek enlightenment,

:23:46.:23:54.

sisterhood. When Thomas Paine was lauded for his rights of mine, the

:23:55.:23:59.

rights we cherish so much not to be toyed with by any government. I am a

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is true supporter of the European Convention on human rights Apple

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fight for it every step of the way and I believe that we can reform the

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European Union and we know that because we have done it before.

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Professor Neil McCormick was an architect of -- architect of that

:24:17.:24:20.

reform of the almost pushed Europe to a constitution enshrining our

:24:21.:24:23.

fundamental rights. There we are, back to those rights that are so

:24:24.:24:28.

important. His work pushed forward that agenda towards the Lisbon

:24:29.:24:32.

Treaty and without his early work we would not have that treaty so

:24:33.:24:36.

another Scotsman who took up the cause, protecting and extending our

:24:37.:24:41.

fundamental human rights as EU citizens. Article 18 of the Treaty

:24:42.:24:45.

on the function of the European Union provides that no citizen shall

:24:46.:24:50.

be discriminated against on the basis of nationality. The citizens

:24:51.:24:53.

of member states also have employment rights that derive from

:24:54.:25:00.

EU registration and -- legislation and EU treaties have enshrined

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principals promoting non-discrimination on areas of sex,

:25:05.:25:09.

race and ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age or sexual

:25:10.:25:14.

orientation. As a result the EU has developed comprehensive legislation

:25:15.:25:18.

in the area of non-discrimination and equality. It began with sex

:25:19.:25:23.

discrimination in employment and has been extended. The people of

:25:24.:25:34.

Scotland through due democratic process reaffirmed its belief in and

:25:35.:25:38.

support of that European Union and I think it only right that this

:25:39.:25:42.

government be supported by our Parliament to realise the demands

:25:43.:25:46.

placed on it by us, the people and our voters. Stated articles are open

:25:47.:25:54.

to European states that respect common values such as human dignity,

:25:55.:25:59.

freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human

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rights and member states also declare that these things prevail in

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their societies. These are things I am happy to pin my name to. There

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are names that every Scottish man and woman ought to know. If you are

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called for jury service, when your name is drawn by Lott and you vote

:26:29.:26:33.

in an election and you freely voice your thought, don't take these

:26:34.:26:36.

things for granted because dearly they were fought. It is with these

:26:37.:26:41.

rights in mind that I support this motion by our government today and I

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ask them to devote themselves to the cause of the people. It is a good

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cause and it shall ultimately prevail and it shall finally

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triumph. Oliver on Delta be followed by

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Jackie Baillie. -- Oliver Mondale to be followed by. It is easy to think

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that this tells a single story, it does not. It tells 33,000,500

:27:14.:27:20.

individual stories with people of all backgrounds from all corners of

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our United Kingdom and from different political persuasions

:27:27.:27:29.

coming together in the largest exercise in democracy are islands

:27:30.:27:36.

have ever seen. People voted lead, and they voted remain, for a

:27:37.:27:39.

multitude of different reasons. And rightly so. This was a complicated

:27:40.:27:43.

decision with many competing and in some cases mutually incompatible

:27:44.:27:53.

outcomes. It is context we must now look at the overall result in

:27:54.:27:56.

Scotland which is just one dimensional flat. Rather than jump

:27:57.:28:00.

to hasty conclusions as the First Minister has done, we must take time

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to digestive backpack and reflect on what this result means for people

:28:06.:28:08.

here in Scotland and elsewhere across our United Kingdom. In the

:28:09.:28:15.

long run, people will not look kindly on political posturing or

:28:16.:28:20.

idle speculation. And now more than ever we have a responsibility to

:28:21.:28:24.

pull together and knuckle down to the task in hand. I have no time and

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we are keeping strictly to time. It is in that spirit I would ask all

:28:30.:28:34.

those who voted to remain to find themselves questioning the

:28:35.:28:35.

democratic process, to reflect on the fact that 19,005 and meeting

:28:36.:28:41.

people in my own dump the ship constituency voted to leave the

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European Union. -- my dump Fischer constituency, a higher number than

:28:49.:28:52.

voted for me as their MSP. Across Scotland, over 1 million voters put

:28:53.:28:58.

the cross next to leave, a larger number than to put their cross next

:28:59.:29:02.

to Nicola Sturgeon for First Minister, and just short of the

:29:03.:29:07.

total number who voted for the SNP in the constituency ballot. Whilst

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this is far short of a majority of Scots, it was by no means small or

:29:11.:29:15.

insignificant number of people and, of course, whilst the result was

:29:16.:29:19.

decisive in Scotland- wide context, we must recognise there were

:29:20.:29:25.

significant variation within Scotland with 49.9% voting leave in

:29:26.:29:34.

Moray compared to 25% in Edinburgh. I know that that might seem of

:29:35.:29:38.

little consequence to the many who feel angry, as if their boys was not

:29:39.:29:42.

hurt, but it is important to remember that the viewer a of the

:29:43.:29:47.

majority is seldom universal in a democracy, no matter how you choose

:29:48.:29:50.

to look at the numbers and whilst I understand that it First Minister

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and for that matter many decent and fair minded people did not agree

:29:56.:29:58.

with the result, it remains the UK- wide result and we must all respect

:29:59.:30:04.

that outcome. Just as those across the rest of the United Kingdom

:30:05.:30:08.

accepted the possibility at the start of the campaign that Scotland

:30:09.:30:14.

might have helped together deliver a remain result. Now is not the time

:30:15.:30:17.

to rake over the campaign or dwell on the result because we are where

:30:18.:30:21.

we are. Instead, we owe it to people to start considering where we go

:30:22.:30:26.

next. The truth is, this debate is not about the result. Nor, sadly,

:30:27.:30:30.

does it even seemed to be about what is best for the people of Scotland.

:30:31.:30:36.

Instead, it is again forced many SNP about one thing and one thing only,

:30:37.:30:41.

independence. Since by the morning we have seen once and for all that

:30:42.:30:44.

behind the seemingly good intentions lies a deliberate malice. If they

:30:45.:30:50.

were serious about building consensus and negotiating in good

:30:51.:30:54.

faith then they would have taken a second referendum of the table. And

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all we have seen is what started as a statesman-like approach rapidly

:31:03.:31:06.

descend into self interest. And whilst I acknowledge that events

:31:07.:31:09.

have been moving very quickly, the First Minister has fast become like

:31:10.:31:16.

a runaway train, defaulting back to her all-too-familiar mantra of

:31:17.:31:22.

independence at any cost. And while others have taken steps to steady

:31:23.:31:27.

the ship with leading Leave campaigners supporting Adelaide to

:31:28.:31:30.

the article that the process, allowing time for the best approach

:31:31.:31:36.

and a consensus to be reached, the First Minister has sought to amplify

:31:37.:31:41.

division. In doing so, she not only does a disservice to leave voters

:31:42.:31:45.

like me, but far more disgracefully, the First Minister is letting down

:31:46.:31:48.

those who voted to remain by potentially undermining what could

:31:49.:31:52.

yet prove to be a better deal for access to the single market for

:31:53.:31:55.

Scotland than could hope for as an independent nation. For a start,

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that would be one that allowed us to use the pound rather than the euro.

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The truth is, this debate is a red herring and India motion that

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followed the result it is easy to overlook the fact that Nicola

:32:08.:32:11.

Sturgeon wanted independence no matter what, that before this

:32:12.:32:15.

campaign started she abandoned her once-in-a-lifetime pledge almost as

:32:16.:32:20.

quickly as it left her lips. That is why, in or out of Europe, we must

:32:21.:32:24.

never allow ourselves to forget that the SNP exist for one purpose and

:32:25.:32:28.

one purpose only, to break up our United Kingdom. For me, like many

:32:29.:32:35.

fellow Scots, in good times and in bad, it is always that primary union

:32:36.:32:40.

between are family of nations that will come first. Even in adversity,

:32:41.:32:44.

and even ended his appointment and anger that many feel, there is a

:32:45.:32:48.

greater good, something far more important to our future prosperity

:32:49.:32:54.

than our European Union membership, and now it is time to fight for

:32:55.:32:59.

that, and to work together in good faith to secure the best deal for

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Scotland. Thank you. Jackie Baillie to be followed by Michael Russell.

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Like many in this Chamber and across the country I was but a leaders

:33:13.:33:15.

appointed that the result of the European Union referendum. It felt

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akin to a bereavement when the results were being declared across

:33:20.:33:25.

the country. I am greatly in respect of democracy, but I was horrified to

:33:26.:33:28.

see Nigel Farage celebrating his result on Friday morning. This man

:33:29.:33:35.

was the face of Britain that was reflected to the world. And I reject

:33:36.:33:40.

everything he stands for, and he certainly does not speak for me.

:33:41.:33:44.

What is clear is that David Cameron gambled with our future. He couldn't

:33:45.:33:50.

control the Eurosceptics in the Tory Party, so he gambled on a referendum

:33:51.:33:55.

and he lost, but we are all the losers for that. He will shortly be

:33:56.:34:03.

out of office. We will, in time, potentially be out of the European

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Union, and the price for the country in Scotland and across the UK may

:34:07.:34:12.

well be very high indeed. People tell me that this was an

:34:13.:34:14.

antiestablishment vote. And that is maybe so. And we need to understand

:34:15.:34:19.

the reasons why people voted in the way they did. But let's not pretend

:34:20.:34:24.

that Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are anything but the

:34:25.:34:30.

establishment. They went into this referendum not expecting victory.

:34:31.:34:37.

Without a plan for what they would do, leaving the country in

:34:38.:34:42.

continuing uncertainty. And I bore the approach of the Leave campaign,

:34:43.:34:48.

cynically in what they said and had promised to increase funding to the

:34:49.:34:52.

NHS, which they denied within indeed less than 12 hours of the close of

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walls. I agree wholeheartedly with the First Minister 's sentiment and

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that of others, that people from Europe and across the world are

:35:03.:35:07.

welcome in Scotland. But I am disappointed by the result. And

:35:08.:35:12.

angry by the nature of the campaign. But there is a need now for

:35:13.:35:16.

stability and cool heads. Our responsibility is to assess the

:35:17.:35:20.

impact and take action where it is right to do so. And, in addition to

:35:21.:35:24.

the representation is being made across Europe, I believe our

:35:25.:35:29.

immediate priority as well must be action to protect the economy and

:35:30.:35:33.

jobs. I would be pleased to hear what the Scottish Government will do

:35:34.:35:37.

in that regard, in tandem with the representations they are making

:35:38.:35:43.

elsewhere. Before Brexit became a reality, the Fraser of Alhadur

:35:44.:35:45.

Institute said we were flirting with a recession in Scotland. Growth was

:35:46.:35:50.

slowing, we underperformed relative to the UK, and we were facing

:35:51.:35:53.

stagnation in the economy. I regret that that prospect, with many

:35:54.:36:00.

economists think it is more likely now across Scotland and the UK. We

:36:01.:36:05.

have seen a sharp decline in the stock market wiping billions from

:36:06.:36:07.

share prices, and the falling pound against the dollar and the euro. And

:36:08.:36:13.

whilst I am sure that we all hope that this stabilises quickly, it

:36:14.:36:18.

makes a practical focus on the economy essential. Currently we

:36:19.:36:23.

exported mostly to the rest of the UK followed closely by the rest of

:36:24.:36:27.

Europe. The government 's and statistics for 2014 showed that 42%

:36:28.:36:30.

of all international exports would Western for the EU at the value of

:36:31.:36:37.

some ?11.6 billion. One in every ?6 in our business economy is generated

:36:38.:36:42.

by companies based in the rest of Europe. So this matters to our

:36:43.:36:46.

economic well-being. Businesses do adapt to changing circumstances. But

:36:47.:36:50.

these changes are often most keenly felt by those who work for them, and

:36:51.:36:57.

in lessening job opportunities. We are hearing anecdotal evidence of

:36:58.:37:02.

changes to investment plans, companies paid in dollars seeing an

:37:03.:37:05.

immediate loss because of the exchange rate and one man and now of

:37:06.:37:09.

was about to start an engineering job in Europe, and he has now been

:37:10.:37:12.

told to stay at home, because they had no idea if they are going to

:37:13.:37:18.

recruiter that job any more. And what about right on it product,

:37:19.:37:23.

Scotch Whisky? Likes of much of the food and drinks sector representing

:37:24.:37:27.

an increasing contribution to the GDP, a substantial exported to

:37:28.:37:30.

Europe accounting for thousands of jobs. It is that impact on the

:37:31.:37:33.

people we serve that we must focus our attention on. There are views on

:37:34.:37:39.

mortgages, pensions. All of these may be affected. Let me zoom in on a

:37:40.:37:44.

couple points. It is about the impact on people that we need to

:37:45.:37:52.

look at. On a second referendum, I acknowledge and welcome be the

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assurance given by the First Minister that this is not her

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starting point. Let me say as respectfully as I can, I listened to

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Fergus Ewing with great attention this morning on GMS and he suggested

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independence was the only answer. I had the government not to face both

:38:11.:38:14.

ways on this. Let me say, just as Nicola Sturgeon said, that the UK, I

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am in my final minute, that the UK had changed. Well, so will the

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new... We have a point of order, Miss Bailey. Miss Bailey said that

:38:27.:38:33.

she refused to take my point of order. That is not the point of

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order. It is up to the Speaker who she allows to intervene. No, Mr

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Ewing, that was not a point of order. Miss Bailey is currently

:38:44.:38:52.

making her contribution. I hope added time will reflect the

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intervention I have add. Nicola Sturgeon said that the UK had

:38:55.:39:01.

changed, but so will the EU, so it is imperative that, should we be

:39:02.:39:05.

faced with another independence referendum, that clear, detailed

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terms of joining Europe will be set out in advance, because if we join

:39:09.:39:13.

the euro, we will need to decrease public debt. That means cutting

:39:14.:39:16.

public spending. What implications will that have for our services? I

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want to remain in Europe. I am a committed European. But we must

:39:24.:39:28.

approach this with our eyes wide open and take time to consider what

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we should do. At the moment it is a constantly changing landscape. We

:39:34.:39:37.

don't know what will happen. The First Minister is intent on bringing

:39:38.:39:41.

forward another independence referendum to this country, then she

:39:42.:39:44.

must spell out in detail what the terms of that engagement with Europe

:39:45.:39:50.

will be, and nothing less will do. Presiding Officer, let me finish by

:39:51.:39:55.

welcoming the First Minister 's comments about working together. We

:39:56.:39:58.

should be working together across the UK, people in Northern Ireland,

:39:59.:40:02.

London, Manchester and other areas beside. They will feel the economic

:40:03.:40:08.

consequences of this, so let's not stand alone in our negotiations with

:40:09.:40:15.

Europe. Michael Russell to be followed by Elaine Smith. I want to

:40:16.:40:20.

address two issues, the impact of the decision last Thursday on this

:40:21.:40:22.

Parliament in terms of Scotland and its budget and finances and process.

:40:23.:40:29.

And what I think is the existential choice that Scotland now faces.

:40:30.:40:33.

Firstly, on the issue of budget, it is obvious that in our present state

:40:34.:40:39.

of partial dependence, budget decisions made south of the border

:40:40.:40:42.

impact directly on what we have to spend and on our timescale of

:40:43.:40:45.

scrutiny. We are clearly dependent in block grant and taxation on the

:40:46.:40:50.

overall health of the UK economy. Huge insecurity has been created not

:40:51.:40:54.

only by the vote last week but by the political paralysis that has

:40:55.:40:58.

followed it. George Osborne, the author of the disastrous revenge

:40:59.:41:02.

budget idea, is now the author of the equally damaging no budget idea.

:41:03.:41:07.

The Autumn Statement will follow a challenge in Tory leadership and a

:41:08.:41:11.

changing Minister. It might be subordinated a snap general

:41:12.:41:15.

election. Although these factors create considerable uncertainty in

:41:16.:41:19.

Scotland, where the draft budget is due according to the existing

:41:20.:41:22.

timetable to be published by 20 of September.

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Anyone in London will have two clarify this matter. We will need to

:41:32.:41:37.

make decisions in Scotland on how we move ahead. It may not be the time

:41:38.:41:44.

for a spending review. Must -- much discussion on this is required and

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tomorrow the finance committee will have an opportunity to discuss this

:41:50.:41:52.

with the finance minister, a rather unusual first evidence session for

:41:53.:41:56.

both. Finance issues lie within the overall context of political issues

:41:57.:42:00.

and it has been and is an extraordinary political tide. The

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First Minister is aptly be correct that her leadership has been

:42:04.:42:07.

inspirational in this last weekend. The key issue is to retain our

:42:08.:42:11.

membership of the EU and that is our objective and it is right that we

:42:12.:42:14.

start that process today with a clear instruction to the Scottish

:42:15.:42:18.

Government to explore every possibility and consider every route

:42:19.:42:24.

there may be. What is not in doubt is the objective must be achieved.

:42:25.:42:28.

It must be achieved because only by doing so can we retain, each one of

:42:29.:42:34.

us retain our European citizenship which amongst other things

:42:35.:42:38.

guarantees free movement, protect us in the workplace, enhances and

:42:39.:42:42.

conserves the environment in which we live and welcomes diversity and

:42:43.:42:46.

difference within a tolerant hole, whilst allowing us to participate in

:42:47.:42:50.

the structures of the union as equals, individually and

:42:51.:42:57.

collectively. I have the opportunity to ask the First Minister, as chair

:42:58.:43:02.

of the finance committee, is it his view that should be Scotland leave

:43:03.:43:06.

the EU and have to rejoin at a later date, that it would be subject to

:43:07.:43:11.

joining the euro and be tied by a 3% deficit? I am not speaking in my

:43:12.:43:17.

capacity as chair of the finance committee but as my capacity about

:43:18.:43:22.

someone who knows anything about politics would no that is a silly

:43:23.:43:27.

question because there is no such requirement. Let me deal with

:43:28.:43:34.

realities. The touchstone for me is European citizenship. I don't want

:43:35.:43:37.

to give that up in Scotland did not consent to give that up for anyone

:43:38.:43:41.

who lives here. European citizenship is an addition not a substitution,

:43:42.:43:46.

we enjoyed in addition to our UK citizenship. We are presently

:43:47.:43:50.

Scottish, British and European but now we are being forced to give one

:43:51.:43:55.

of those up and that is truly an existential choice and it goes to

:43:56.:43:59.

the heart of who we are and who we will be. We are being forced to

:44:00.:44:03.

decide if we are British or European and we are being told we cannot be

:44:04.:44:09.

both. I was born in England and I have many family and friends there,

:44:10.:44:13.

what Chesterton called the plain people of England, a good, noble

:44:14.:44:17.

outgoing and generous and they have been failed by their leaders and

:44:18.:44:22.

they are still being failed. That is a tragedy. The First Minister is

:44:23.:44:25.

right to say that the country that Scotland chose to remain in two

:44:26.:44:29.

years ago no longer exists and it is the people of England to see that

:44:30.:44:33.

most clearly now. They ended it with their vote last week. They must find

:44:34.:44:36.

a way forward from that and I hope they can find a better way forward

:44:37.:44:40.

but accepting that failure and its consequences is Scotland --

:44:41.:44:45.

something Scotland cannot and must not do. We must look up to see a

:44:46.:44:49.

vision of corporation and engagement, the daughter which as

:44:50.:44:53.

was said yesterday is opening, festival for discussion. In 1850 in

:44:54.:45:01.

the House of Commons during a difficult of their Palmerston talked

:45:02.:45:05.

about his objective in foreign policy. His objective was this, to

:45:06.:45:09.

ensure that the British subject in whatever land he may be shall feel

:45:10.:45:12.

confident that the watchful eye and the strong arm of England will

:45:13.:45:16.

protect him against injustice and wrong. That is the choice now for

:45:17.:45:22.

us. Should we do as we are told and rely once again on the watchful eye

:45:23.:45:26.

on the strong arm of England to protect us? Have we grown out of

:45:27.:45:31.

that? Given that the eye and the arm are withered beyond recognition.

:45:32.:45:36.

Would it not be more in keeping with the times to see collaboration,

:45:37.:45:38.

Corporation and an open outlook to the world, and if that is so, where

:45:39.:45:43.

do we get those? Only in our membership of the EU. That is the

:45:44.:45:48.

existential choice and we are being forced to make it. Finally let me go

:45:49.:45:53.

very close to home. On Friday I was on the island of mile and yesterday

:45:54.:45:59.

I was in mid Argyll where there is genuine apprehension and fear about

:46:00.:46:02.

the consequences of what is taking place. Talk of job losses and

:46:03.:46:07.

companies retrenchment. Concern about investment, public and private

:46:08.:46:11.

and worry about funds and loans and an acknowledgement of how much comes

:46:12.:46:15.

from Europe and still comes to support rural areas. Something more.

:46:16.:46:21.

Centuries of engagement have made us European. We were European before we

:46:22.:46:26.

were British, sending students to the continent, Sherry citizenship

:46:27.:46:32.

with France, appealing our very nationhood. In war and in peace we

:46:33.:46:40.

look to Europe and they look to us. In the words of Voltaire, for our

:46:41.:46:45.

very idea of civilisation. Our existential choices being made not

:46:46.:46:48.

because of this referendum but because of our history. Its inherent

:46:49.:46:53.

in who we are. We cannot be anyone else. We are European and citizens

:46:54.:46:57.

of Europe and that is what we have chosen to remain at what we must

:46:58.:47:01.

remain, no matter how and no matter what it takes. As one of only a few

:47:02.:47:14.

MSPs who put a case for leave, though not part of any official

:47:15.:47:19.

campaign I feel I must contribute to the debate today, after all nearly

:47:20.:47:24.

40% of those who use their vote actually boated Leave and they were

:47:25.:47:27.

spread across all parties and that effectively means that this

:47:28.:47:30.

parliament did not affect that in the contributions prior to the vote

:47:31.:47:34.

and while I appreciate that members will have their personal views or

:47:35.:47:37.

party line, I would have thought that this kind of vote by the public

:47:38.:47:40.

should have been more reflected in this chamber so they need a voice

:47:41.:47:44.

today. I spoke to a great many people and I listen to the arguments

:47:45.:47:49.

for Remain including the compelling ones being made by Jeremy Corbyn and

:47:50.:47:53.

I studied the left-wing case for Leave and one reason I felt

:47:54.:47:56.

compelled to contribute to the previous debate was that I believe

:47:57.:48:01.

the opinions of those who were voting Leave for democracy, workers'

:48:02.:48:05.

rights and stopping privatisation of public services and they deserved

:48:06.:48:10.

expression in this chamber. The 1 million voters in Scotland who chose

:48:11.:48:13.

Leave did so in the sure knowledge that this referendum was right

:48:14.:48:16.

across the UK and every single vote counted on its own

:48:17.:48:29.

merit, whether you were in Blackpool or Belfast, Cardiff or Coatbridge,

:48:30.:48:32.

London or Lossiemouth. There was no question that regional country

:48:33.:48:34.

results would be treated differently to the overall results. We had a

:48:35.:48:37.

democratic vote here in 2014 with an unprecedented turnout that means we

:48:38.:48:40.

are part of the UK and that was only a Scottish boat but the democracy of

:48:41.:48:43.

that is being set aside. This referendum vote was conducted right

:48:44.:48:48.

across the UK and over 1 million voters in Scotland who chose Leave

:48:49.:48:52.

deserved reputation and they don't deserve to be disenfranchised. With

:48:53.:48:57.

regard to Remain voters it is clear it was a UK wide vote based on the

:48:58.:49:01.

UK's relationship with the EU so in terms of the motion I cannot vote to

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welcome the overwhelming vote of the people of Scotland to bow to Remain

:49:08.:49:13.

since I voted Leave and the overall premise is flawed. The ballot paper

:49:14.:49:16.

did not ask if you wanted Scotland to remain in the EU and there was an

:49:17.:49:22.

majority of people here who voted for the UK to remain. There was a

:49:23.:49:27.

degree of ambivalence as Scotland have the second lowest turnout from

:49:28.:49:31.

across the UK. Just over 1 million people in Scotland voted for the UK

:49:32.:49:36.

to leave the EU and they did so with little support for their view in

:49:37.:49:38.

this Parliament, indeed all parties and leaders were pushing very hard

:49:39.:49:45.

for Remain. Furthermore those voters contributed substantially to the end

:49:46.:49:51.

you the outcome of a Leave vote. If they had all voted for Remain then

:49:52.:49:54.

the outcome would have been very different so Scotland certainly

:49:55.:49:57.

contributed to the overall result. In some areas the boat was tight and

:49:58.:50:02.

maybe that is due to things like a controversial Common fisheries

:50:03.:50:05.

policy that has contributed to the demise of our fishing industry.

:50:06.:50:08.

These kind of failures in EU policy might be just one of the reasons

:50:09.:50:13.

that some people across the country chose to vote Leave and to say that

:50:14.:50:22.

much of the result in this referendum was predicated on the

:50:23.:50:24.

xenophobic intolerance is a wee bit simplistic. However there is no

:50:25.:50:26.

doubt that Ukip exploiting such sentiments where they do exist, for

:50:27.:50:31.

their own ends and the disgraceful and now infamous poster now put out

:50:32.:50:34.

by Nigel Farage and Ukip certainly had a hand in changing the minds of

:50:35.:50:38.

some socialists who had been inclined to vote Leave. I agree with

:50:39.:50:47.

the sentiment and the motion that the EU citizens living here are

:50:48.:50:52.

welcomed a contribution ballot and that is important to send out but if

:50:53.:50:56.

anyone implies that all voters were xenophobic racist then that would be

:50:57.:50:59.

outrageous and I hope most members in this chamber do not believe it or

:51:00.:51:02.

ever impolite. Many of the working-class thing communities in

:51:03.:51:09.

south-east Wales and North Scotland voted Leave as an expression of

:51:10.:51:13.

disconnect with the whole political elite. In south Wales the threat of

:51:14.:51:18.

4000 jobs being lost at Port Talbot as a direct result of EU stated

:51:19.:51:20.

rules blocking more government support could have influenced the

:51:21.:51:27.

results. I want is down with steelworkers workers the EU stance

:51:28.:51:31.

on competition policy has meant that national governments face a backlash

:51:32.:51:35.

of legal action if they attempt to nationalising industry. Think about

:51:36.:51:39.

this, not being subject to competition policy and legal

:51:40.:51:42.

challenge would mean that our Scottish Government could easily

:51:43.:51:45.

nationalise industries like steel if they wished and they wouldn't have

:51:46.:51:50.

too returned to Cal Mac in future. What we should be focusing on are

:51:51.:51:53.

the important issues of stopping austerity, protecting workers'

:51:54.:51:56.

rights and jobs and the First Minister should be entering her

:51:57.:52:00.

discussions within the UK and out with bearing in mind that she

:52:01.:52:03.

represents all the citizens of Scotland, those who

:52:04.:52:17.

voted to remain, those who voted to leave and those who didn't vote, and

:52:18.:52:21.

I do note her earlier comments on that. At this time she can't lose

:52:22.:52:23.

sight of domestic issues like teachers, industrial action, RMT

:52:24.:52:26.

strike, the NHS. The EU is not Europe, it's a political construct

:52:27.:52:27.

that undermines elected national governments and it eliminates

:52:28.:52:29.

democracy and it is primarily a trade agreement. In the words of

:52:30.:52:32.

Tony Benn on how the EU is developing, it was very obvious that

:52:33.:52:35.

what they had in mind was not democratic. I am in favour of

:52:36.:52:40.

democracy, well so am I. We should all now respect the democratic

:52:41.:52:44.

mandate from the UK electorate which included the 1 million Scottish

:52:45.:52:48.

Leave voters. The citizens of the UK through the ballot box has given

:52:49.:52:52.

directive of change through the EU project which has clearly failed

:52:53.:52:57.

many of them. Many of them see it as a victory of people against profit

:52:58.:53:00.

and the powerless against the powerful and we need to make it work

:53:01.:53:04.

for them. John Foster had a view of leaving the EU, a renewed democracy,

:53:05.:53:09.

restored welfare state, public control of the economy, our vision

:53:10.:53:17.

to combat racism, cynicism and division and unite all working

:53:18.:53:20.

people and that is my vision. We need to make this work for working

:53:21.:53:26.

people and that is the most important aim, and that is with the

:53:27.:53:30.

UK Socialist Labour government fight against austerity government and

:53:31.:53:33.

attacks on wages and workers' rights.

:53:34.:53:45.

Before I start I just want to say that I know Oliver is a new MSP but

:53:46.:53:51.

he is an MSP. You are here to represent the people of Scotland,

:53:52.:53:56.

not the UK Government. The people of Scotland spoke quite clearly last

:53:57.:53:59.

Thursday and I think what you should be doing, and your colleagues, is

:54:00.:54:03.

you should be standing up for them. I am a bit disappointed that I have

:54:04.:54:07.

to make some of the same comments to my colleague on the right-hand side,

:54:08.:54:12.

Elaine Smith. Honestly, if you think the workers are going to be better

:54:13.:54:17.

off under Nigel and Boris, then it is a strange socialism that you

:54:18.:54:24.

believe in. I think, presiding office, I finished by saying the

:54:25.:54:28.

workers would be better off with a Socialist Labour government. And I

:54:29.:54:34.

would be better off being 25 years old, six foot tall and blond haired!

:54:35.:54:41.

In the 20 years I have been involved in the S I have learned to deal

:54:42.:54:45.

with disappointments. I was heartbroken over the 2014 referendum

:54:46.:54:49.

result but I was able to take encouragement from the positivity

:54:50.:54:52.

that the campaign generated at the prospect of Holyrood achieving

:54:53.:54:56.

additional powers in Scotland becoming engaged with the Democratic

:54:57.:55:00.

participatory process in a way I never saw before. Sadly I have no

:55:01.:55:04.

such positive outlook in the wake of this result. This saw claims

:55:05.:55:09.

retracted within hours of the results, a result one by going to

:55:10.:55:14.

the basest politics I have seen in any campaign in my life and

:55:15.:55:17.

politicians who took part in that should be ashamed of themselves.

:55:18.:55:21.

Both campaigns ran scare tactics. The remain campaign came out with

:55:22.:55:26.

the project fear figures that we saw in the independence referendum and

:55:27.:55:30.

the Leave campaign came out with the lowest form of politics have ever

:55:31.:55:35.

seen. The SNP warned against running a negative campaign and we saw that

:55:36.:55:40.

it was counter-productive and a more positive you are the better result

:55:41.:55:43.

you will get and we saw that in 2014 and if they had run a campaign like

:55:44.:55:47.

that and so the benefits of immigration instead of running

:55:48.:55:50.

scared from the benefits of immigration at the time it was

:55:51.:55:53.

mentioned, then maybe we wouldn't be standing here today discussing what

:55:54.:55:59.

we are discussing. I would like to concentrate on the possible impact

:56:00.:56:01.

on education thanks to this result but first let me read a tweet that

:56:02.:56:06.

was sent to the First Minister yesterday. Daughter graduates on

:56:07.:56:12.

Thursday, internship with Milan firm just cancelled, sole reason given,

:56:13.:56:17.

Brexit. That right there is the reality of the vote. I would like to

:56:18.:56:21.

express my thanks to the principles of vice chancellors who made

:56:22.:56:23.

unequivocal statements on the value of EU students and their wider

:56:24.:56:37.

contribution to Scottish culture. It is clear academic collaboration is

:56:38.:56:42.

still required and they will still collaborate in the Erasmus plan and

:56:43.:56:45.

I congratulate him as being appointed as the chair of the

:56:46.:56:49.

standing Council of experts. Sir Ian Diamond from Glasgow has given his

:56:50.:56:53.

thanks to the contribution of EU students and given a clear

:56:54.:56:56.

commitment to current students and those set to join in the new

:56:57.:56:59.

academic year that any constitutional changes made during

:57:00.:57:02.

their studies that affects tuition fees will be financially provided

:57:03.:57:07.

for by the University. I also welcome a positive statement made by

:57:08.:57:10.

the president of NUS Scotland who said that Scotland's should not be

:57:11.:57:18.

ignored and it is crucial that the UK Government work with all devolved

:57:19.:57:20.

governments to mitigate the consequences. The EU students can

:57:21.:57:28.

come to Scotland to study, work and make cultural contributions is a

:57:29.:57:32.

dynamic and multicultural society and it should be applauded and not

:57:33.:57:36.

undermined. Scottish students cannot make their mark across the UK.

:57:37.:57:57.

The European structural fund for 2014-20 has provided 940 million

:57:58.:58:03.

euros to invest the Scottish Government's priorities. The horizon

:58:04.:58:09.

2020 has contributed 217 million euros into research and innovation.

:58:10.:58:12.

Like Wise the European social funds commitment to the Princes trust

:58:13.:58:15.

addressing disadvantaged through team project, this project has been

:58:16.:58:19.

instrumental in providing support to many young people in overcome ago

:58:20.:58:23.

range of challenges, lower educational attainment, lack of

:58:24.:58:26.

training or a lack of confidence. It's helped to assist in equipping

:58:27.:58:31.

over 4,000 young people with skills to achieve their ambitions. All of

:58:32.:58:34.

these are potentially at risk because of the unnecessary and

:58:35.:58:38.

damaging referendum and outcome. I alluded to the uncertainty created.

:58:39.:58:41.

I wish to congratulate the First Minister for the way she's handled

:58:42.:58:45.

everything since Friday morning since we knew the result. The

:58:46.:58:49.

Scottish Cabinet met on Saturday to take decisive action. Boris played

:58:50.:58:54.

cricket and Westminster fiddled. I agree it's vital to have ongoing

:58:55.:58:57.

discussions with stakeholders and wish the advisory panel every

:58:58.:59:02.

success. In concluding my remarks, I want to join the others in thanking

:59:03.:59:05.

the EU citizens here in Scotland, I have a number of them in my own

:59:06.:59:10.

constituency and there's many in the First Minister's neighbouring

:59:11.:59:12.

constituency. Again thank the many educational professionals and

:59:13.:59:15.

experts who have given what reassurance they can to EU students.

:59:16.:59:18.

I warmly support the Scottish Government's efforts in trying to

:59:19.:59:20.

secure a continued involvement in the EU and of course the single

:59:21.:59:24.

market. But earlier I mentioned a tweet by a mother of a young

:59:25.:59:31.

student, here is a second tweet. All future collaborations, exchanges and

:59:32.:59:36.

internships for EU citizens across the EU are under threat. She then

:59:37.:59:41.

asks us to retweet, I would say get that message out there as soon as

:59:42.:59:44.

you can. These tweets say as much about what a disaster Thursday's

:59:45.:59:47.

vote is for young men and women from across the UK, not just Scotland, as

:59:48.:59:51.

anything I have heard or read. These are the real life consequences of

:59:52.:59:55.

Brexit, not some ridiculous abstract about taking back control. Not much

:59:56.:59:58.

control of the future for these young people, is there? I support

:59:59.:00:08.

the motion. APPLAUSE

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Two weeks ago my sister moved to Valencia. Spain is a country she

:00:12.:00:16.

fell in love with many years ago and one she has since studied in,

:00:17.:00:20.

learned the language, soaked up the culture and made many friends and

:00:21.:00:24.

now, like many Scots, has decided to make her home. The kind welcome she

:00:25.:00:29.

has received has been wonderful to witness. It is the same welcoming

:00:30.:00:33.

spirit which I believe the majority of people who have come to live and

:00:34.:00:38.

work in Scotland have also enjoyed. For those non-UK citizens who have

:00:39.:00:42.

come to live and work in our country, and those who have married

:00:43.:00:46.

Scots and have made Scotland their home, let us send out the message

:00:47.:00:50.

today their contribution to our economy and country is valued and

:00:51.:00:55.

one we will work to protect. As members will know I actively

:00:56.:00:58.

campaigned in the Remain vote here in Scotland and wanted to see the

:00:59.:01:03.

whole UK confirm its membership of the EU. I am very aware of the

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disappointment of many of my constituents across the region,

:01:10.:01:13.

including Edinburgh which saw the highest Remain vote anywhere across

:01:14.:01:16.

Scotland. Many of them have contacted me as well as other MSPs

:01:17.:01:21.

since to express their regret and concern at the decision taken by the

:01:22.:01:26.

whole UK. But as a Democrat, I accept the result of the referendum.

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This is what democracy is all about. How we put our arguments to the

:01:31.:01:34.

people and the manner by which we live by their decisions. It is now

:01:35.:01:38.

incumbent on all parties across the UK and all nations within the United

:01:39.:01:43.

Kingdom to seek stability and work towards achieving the best possible

:01:44.:01:46.

deal for the whole of the UK. While the First Minister's immediate

:01:47.:01:50.

reaction to the EU referendum was to put a second independence referendum

:01:51.:01:55.

on the table, the constituents and businesses who have contacted me

:01:56.:01:59.

over the past few days have overwhelmingly said that this threat

:02:00.:02:03.

of another independence referendum is exactly the last thing Scotland

:02:04.:02:08.

needs at this point in time. And I agree. We will now face critical

:02:09.:02:14.

negotiations that will determine our new relationship with the countries

:02:15.:02:18.

that make up the EU the aim must be to protect and maximise Scottish

:02:19.:02:22.

trade within the European Union area and ensure continued access to our

:02:23.:02:27.

single market. I believe it's vital that the United Kingdom looks at all

:02:28.:02:32.

options, including the economic - the European economic area and that

:02:33.:02:35.

would continue to provide free movement of persons, goods, services

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and capital within the EU. Yes. I am grateful to the member for giving

:02:42.:02:45.

way. Does he acknowledge that such a proposition, even though it's not my

:02:46.:02:50.

first option, would involve a substantial financial contribution

:02:51.:02:52.

along the lines of the current financial contribution to being

:02:53.:02:55.

members of the European Union and therefore gives the lie to those who

:02:56.:02:59.

claim that there will be ?350 million a week to spend on the NHS?

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Yes, I would. We are actually at the point where early negotiations would

:03:05.:03:10.

have to look at all of that. The EAA model works well for Norway,

:03:11.:03:14.

Lichtsteiner and Iceland and that's maybe where we will have to move

:03:15.:03:18.

forward on. Further, for our European partners let us never

:03:19.:03:21.

forget they will always remain our partners. This is as much in their

:03:22.:03:27.

economic interests to put together a tariff-free trading relationship,

:03:28.:03:33.

for all our futures. Maintaining and extending fair and

:03:34.:03:35.

non-discriminatory access to export markets by negotiating new trade

:03:36.:03:39.

deals with a wide range of partners will be essential to support many

:03:40.:03:42.

key Scottish industries. Securing the best possible commercial

:03:43.:03:45.

environment for Scottish businesses is vital, from the Scottish risk to

:03:46.:03:51.

the industry which represents 10% of all Scottish exports, to the EU and

:03:52.:03:56.

also a financial services sector. Edinburgh has been an international

:03:57.:03:59.

centre for banking for over 300 years. The financial sector is of

:04:00.:04:04.

national importance with direct links between Scotland, the City of

:04:05.:04:09.

London and other EU financial markets. Britain has 2. 2 million

:04:10.:04:13.

jobs linked to the financial service industry with around 35,000 of those

:04:14.:04:18.

based here in Edinburgh alone. The city remains the UK's second largest

:04:19.:04:24.

financial hub and this must be protected and nurtured. I am

:04:25.:04:28.

particularly aware - I am running out of time. I am aware so many

:04:29.:04:33.

young people backed the Remain campaign and reassuring them and

:04:34.:04:37.

working how we can guarantee their economic future must be also a key

:04:38.:04:41.

priority. Young Scots want to have the opportunities to work across

:04:42.:04:45.

Europe. Our young people take an internationalist view and we need to

:04:46.:04:49.

make sure that they have the opportunity to study, work and

:04:50.:04:54.

travel like before. I accept there is economic uncertainty for many

:04:55.:04:58.

Scottish businesses, as we prepare for a new Prime Minister, and as we

:04:59.:05:03.

prepare for a new Prime Minister who will formally lead these

:05:04.:05:05.

negotiations, I think it's important that we as a parliament set out a

:05:06.:05:10.

clear message and we send the message out that Scotland is open

:05:11.:05:13.

for business. I believe we remain one of the best countries to start a

:05:14.:05:17.

business and invest and we will always have our greatest asset to

:05:18.:05:21.

attract investors and businesses to locate to Scotland, our people. In

:05:22.:05:26.

the coming days, weeks and months and years our nations will face many

:05:27.:05:29.

challenges. Now is the time for us to work to secure the best deal for

:05:30.:05:38.

Scotland and the United Kingdom. Thank you. The practical

:05:39.:05:43.

implications of the decision to leave the EU are potentially

:05:44.:05:46.

massive. It will be weeks, probably months, before the full scale of the

:05:47.:05:50.

impact emerges and already there is great concern amongst businesses

:05:51.:05:56.

large and small with all the implications that Haass already

:05:57.:05:59.

highlighted. Brexit and its possible consequences is creating genuine

:06:00.:06:03.

worry over the future viability of some businesses in my own

:06:04.:06:06.

constituency. Within a matter of hours of the outcome of the

:06:07.:06:11.

referendum I have been approached by a senior representative of a farmers

:06:12.:06:15.

co-operative with a annual turnover of around ?40 million. To tell me of

:06:16.:06:20.

their real worries. They employ around 4,000 people across Scotland.

:06:21.:06:27.

Most on a seasonal basis but around 10% on full-time management drawn

:06:28.:06:33.

from all over European Europe. Without their efforts the business

:06:34.:06:36.

could not function. Soft fruit is part of the success story that is

:06:37.:06:39.

Scottish food and drink and here it is at best confronted by a very real

:06:40.:06:45.

uncertainty. They are pressing to have concerns over future access to

:06:46.:06:49.

the workforce they're dependent upon taken on board and are far from

:06:50.:06:54.

alone as businesses in the UK come to terms with the horrific

:06:55.:06:57.

consequences of a decision Scotland as a nation has expressed at the

:06:58.:07:00.

ballot box finds itself at odds with. These are the potential

:07:01.:07:03.

practical implications of Brexit. What of the people caught in its

:07:04.:07:08.

crossfire? Some of the European European folk who over the years

:07:09.:07:11.

have come to work in agriculture have ended up making lives there,

:07:12.:07:15.

bringing families, marrying Scots, going to college to upskill

:07:16.:07:20.

themselves or gain qualifications needed to bring education back home

:07:21.:07:24.

to play to get better jobs. It's become their home and after a

:07:25.:07:27.

campaign disgustingly dominated by the issue of immigration and let's

:07:28.:07:30.

acknowledge this racism, they are worried. It's not just people from

:07:31.:07:35.

European Europe. Browsing social media I chanced upon a

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thought-provoking post from a Dutchman. A health professional who

:07:39.:07:42.

happens to practise skills in my constituency. Because he spoke so

:07:43.:07:48.

eloquently and from a standpoint view of us genuinely grasp let me

:07:49.:07:51.

quote what he said, I have lived in the UK and Scotland since I came

:07:52.:07:55.

here from the Netherlands with my parents in 1979. I am about as

:07:56.:07:59.

integrated as it's possible to be. I was educated here. I have a family

:08:00.:08:03.

here. I practise a good career here and I believe I krnt to the

:08:04.:08:07.

community in which I live, I speak the language and I understand the

:08:08.:08:10.

culture and engage with politics, I love the heritage and history and

:08:11.:08:16.

stunning scenery and the people, the warmth and humour and essential

:08:17.:08:20.

decency. The fact I am not a British citizen meant I did not ghetto a

:08:21.:08:27.

vote, I could watch and participate, occasionally wade with bad grace

:08:28.:08:30.

into a Facebook discussion that irritated me and grow alarmed as the

:08:31.:08:35.

conversation slowly became more zenophobic. Ultimately I and others

:08:36.:08:41.

resident here did not get a chance to influence the country. The

:08:42.:08:44.

conflict I felt and in the wake of the vote to leave the EU feel more

:08:45.:08:48.

acutely centres on the fact as the referendum made immigration the main

:08:49.:08:53.

issue and framed the EU as pesky foreigners imposing scheming ways on

:08:54.:08:57.

the UK I felt it was out of place for me to intrude on your great

:08:58.:09:01.

national but internal debate even though the decision to leave the EU

:09:02.:09:06.

will have us unclear but almost certainly detrimental effect on my

:09:07.:09:10.

future in the UK. In the big scheme of things my discomfort is no big

:09:11.:09:12.

deal. I don't know what rights I will lose, what services I will have

:09:13.:09:15.

to start paying for, whether I will have to go through a different gate

:09:16.:09:19.

at the UK airport than my kids. Time will tell. There are much bigger

:09:20.:09:23.

things at stake. Soon when the UK leaves the union the separation will

:09:24.:09:28.

be complete and irreversible, we will have lost common vision, the

:09:29.:09:33.

economic benefits of the market and the framework that protects and the

:09:34.:09:38.

common endeavour to peace, and workers and human rights. Against

:09:39.:09:41.

all that the blow to my identity and sense of my own place in the UK

:09:42.:09:54.

becoming more per-I have ale and fragile important but - live. I am

:09:55.:09:58.

not merely a res department in Britain, specifically I live in

:09:59.:10:01.

Scotland, that special part of the UK that's shown by voting to remain

:10:02.:10:08.

in the EU that it doesn't buy in a the cynical, petty, zenophobic

:10:09.:10:11.

Faragism of some of the other parts. Nor does it seem to believe

:10:12.:10:15.

sovereignty, the ability to determine yir own national affairs

:10:16.:10:20.

is incompatible from transnation co-operation and inte gags with a

:10:21.:10:26.

small I. The make-up of the current parliament shows the people share a

:10:27.:10:31.

optimistic and environmentally responsible inclusive vision of

:10:32.:10:34.

society which is absolutely and resolutely suited to providing

:10:35.:10:38.

answers to the problems of the 2 ist century and stands in total contrast

:10:39.:10:42.

to the small minded nationalism of the leave campaign. Whether it's in

:10:43.:10:45.

Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Government's powers to keep Scotland

:10:46.:10:48.

in the EU or not remains to be seen but a moment of shock and insecurity

:10:49.:10:52.

the First Minister said words that I suspect a lot of EU nationals who

:10:53.:10:56.

have made this country their home and certainly I needed to hear. They

:10:57.:11:01.

want policy or even promises, they can't possibly know what will be

:11:02.:11:07.

delivered post-Brexit but what she reached in a spirit of generosity

:11:08.:11:10.

demonstrates why hope is not lost, not just for European immigrants but

:11:11.:11:15.

for everyone who wants to live in a progressive and inclusive country

:11:16.:11:18.

that is a fully committed part of the European Union. Colleagues, a

:11:19.:11:22.

decision time tonight let's join the First Minister in reaching out to

:11:23.:11:27.

our Dutch friend and others like him and demonstrate we value the

:11:28.:11:30.

contribution to Scotland that they make just as much as we do our

:11:31.:11:32.

country's place in the EU. Like almost every member of this

:11:33.:11:46.

Parliament and an overwhelming majority of those who voted in

:11:47.:11:49.

Scotland on Thursday, this is not a position I wanted to be in. Scotland

:11:50.:11:54.

is and the European nation and the people of Scotland have made their

:11:55.:12:00.

views quite clear. They intend, we intend, on remaining European

:12:01.:12:03.

citizens. We want to see the protections for workers, women,

:12:04.:12:07.

parents and the environment continue to affect us. We appreciate the

:12:08.:12:11.

opportunities that freedom of movement gives us, not just as a

:12:12.:12:15.

nation in need of a growing population, but as individuals. We

:12:16.:12:18.

have no plans to leave the European Union and it is only right that we

:12:19.:12:22.

exhaust every option open to us in pursuit of that outcome. The support

:12:23.:12:26.

that reaches across almost all of this chamber today for such efforts

:12:27.:12:31.

will be welcomed by those that we represent. These support, of course

:12:32.:12:35.

extends beyond the chamber and across the continent. Senior

:12:36.:12:36.

politicians from across the liberal,

:12:37.:12:54.

Conservative and green traditions have all indicated a willingness to

:12:55.:12:56.

secure Scotland's future in Europe. In the course of this debate I

:12:57.:12:58.

received the following from the co-chairs of the European Green

:12:59.:13:00.

Alliance in the European Parliament, whilst it is clear that the majority

:13:01.:13:03.

of UK public have voted to leave the EU, far greater majorities voting to

:13:04.:13:05.

remain in Scotland and Northern Ireland must be listened to as well.

:13:06.:13:08.

The Greens in the European Parliament are a strong supporter of

:13:09.:13:10.

the EU and will support exploring all options to allow Scotland and

:13:11.:13:13.

Northern Ireland to remain in the EU as they have clearly voted to do. We

:13:14.:13:18.

still have a role to play in reforming Europe and building on the

:13:19.:13:22.

successes and failures of the European project. Huge challenges

:13:23.:13:25.

still face us as a continent, challenges that we can only face

:13:26.:13:31.

together. 57,000 refugees stranded within Europe and Greece and over

:13:32.:13:35.

700 drowned in the last week of May alone, trying to reach our shores.

:13:36.:13:40.

May was the 13th month on record where temperature levels were again

:13:41.:13:45.

broken. The result of that being the kind of extreme weather that only

:13:46.:13:47.

causes extreme misery, not just those in Europe,

:13:48.:14:02.

suffering from extreme flooding and dangers and coastal erosion but to

:14:03.:14:04.

the many millions elsewhere who will be left with no other option but to

:14:05.:14:07.

flee to our shores. Unless we take collective action that will be a

:14:08.:14:09.

refugee crisis many times greater than the ones we are currently

:14:10.:14:12.

failing to deal with. Whilst the UK as a whole has clearly decided to

:14:13.:14:15.

take a different path that will make it less able to contribute to

:14:16.:14:17.

tackling these crises, Scotland has said that we intend to stay, to

:14:18.:14:20.

continue playing our part. One of the United Kingdom may be heading

:14:21.:14:23.

towards a Conservative government far to the right of the one we

:14:24.:14:27.

currently suffer under, people here have clearly said they value the

:14:28.:14:32.

protections afforded to us all as European citizens, protections from

:14:33.:14:35.

overwork and dangerous working conditions, guarantees of maternity

:14:36.:14:40.

leave and equal pay for equal work, and some,

:14:41.:14:59.

although not nearly enough regulation of our financial sector.

:15:00.:15:02.

The work required to continue these benefits and ensure that Scotland

:15:03.:15:04.

can continue to play our part in Europe will be difficult. We are in

:15:05.:15:07.

an unprecedented situation and I welcome the Scottish Government

:15:08.:15:08.

commitment to cross-party working as well as the engagement of council

:15:09.:15:11.

experts. I am pleased to see other parties have already made more

:15:12.:15:13.

commitments but I do have one specific request. Our young people

:15:14.:15:15.

benefit more than any other generation from the opportunities

:15:16.:15:18.

afforded to them and to us as European citizens. The ability to

:15:19.:15:22.

live, work or study anywhere across the European Union, schemes such as

:15:23.:15:26.

Rasmus, are not something the Scottish people are willing to lose.

:15:27.:15:29.

I am aware of a letter from the First Minister's opt -- office that

:15:30.:15:33.

has gone to the youth Parliament which gives them a formal role in

:15:34.:15:38.

the discussions to follow. Given the SNP's unit mandate to represent

:15:39.:15:42.

young people I believe this is not just a reasonable request but a

:15:43.:15:46.

necessary step and I hope the First Minister will agree. Shortly before

:15:47.:15:49.

this debate I addressed a rally outside the parliament with hundreds

:15:50.:15:53.

of people assembled and their message could not have been clearer.

:15:54.:15:59.

They expect us to do all we can, to exhaust every option to guarantee

:16:00.:16:03.

their rights to keep Scotland in Europe and I am confident that we

:16:04.:16:08.

will do just that. It is no secret which option my party prefer, one

:16:09.:16:10.

that we would have preferred, regardless of the outcome of the

:16:11.:16:15.

referendum, but that takes on a new urgency and its aftermath. I believe

:16:16.:16:18.

the only way to guarantee Scotland's long-term future in Europe is to put

:16:19.:16:23.

our future in our own hands, for Scotland to become an independent

:16:24.:16:24.

nation. Whether the Conservatives like it or not, the United Kingdom

:16:25.:16:40.

they argued for in 2014 and longer exists. It is clear that the

:16:41.:16:42.

arguments they made, that the only way to guarantee EU membership was

:16:43.:16:45.

to vote no and that argument was no longer applies. This UK is very

:16:46.:16:48.

different to last week and it is only right that the people of

:16:49.:16:50.

Scotland, if necessary and they want it, once again make a collective

:16:51.:16:53.

choice about our future. Today is a day for us to come together as a

:16:54.:16:56.

Parliament and look at every option available to us, and while I am very

:16:57.:17:00.

keen to explore options short of independence, it would be remiss of

:17:01.:17:03.

me not to be honest about my position. I believe that an

:17:04.:17:07.

independent Scotland, with a seat at the European table, would provide

:17:08.:17:19.

the most opportunities for our young people and allow us to play the

:17:20.:17:22.

greatest rock possible of facing up to the well's crisis, and I believe

:17:23.:17:25.

with independence we can create a fairer and more just and prosperous

:17:26.:17:27.

society that we all want to see. This week we begin a deeply

:17:28.:17:29.

uncertain process to clarify Scotland's future in Europe. We

:17:30.:17:34.

could still have the support of all five parties in this parliament if

:17:35.:17:38.

the Tories can bring themselves to support the responsible reasonable

:17:39.:17:41.

proposals from the government. Few of us wanted to be in this position

:17:42.:17:44.

today but we must work with what we have got and we must do everything

:17:45.:17:48.

we can to respect the mandate of the people in Scotland. We must keep in

:17:49.:17:49.

Europe. The will of the Scottish people and

:17:50.:18:07.

that of Northern Ireland, London and other parts of the UK must be

:18:08.:18:11.

respected in relation to our position in the European Union. This

:18:12.:18:16.

will take time and we must expect the European Commission to give

:18:17.:18:19.

respect to the complexities of the negotiations ahead. We must not

:18:20.:18:23.

allow the EU leaders of other countries to rush any exit process

:18:24.:18:28.

in a bid to shut down right-wing arguments in their own countries,

:18:29.:18:32.

much as we understand the complexities of that as well. This

:18:33.:18:36.

afternoon I want to focus partly on my brief of environment and climate

:18:37.:18:41.

change and highlight that we need to protect what is precious in our own

:18:42.:18:46.

legislation which has come from the European Union. I asked the Scottish

:18:47.:18:50.

Government to consider environmental protection in addition to the

:18:51.:18:54.

social, employment and economic benefits in its motion today. The

:18:55.:18:58.

Cabinet Secretary's evidence before the environment, climate change and

:18:59.:19:01.

land reform committee this morning gave some reassurance on these

:19:02.:19:07.

matters. Her explanation that the Scottish Government's starting point

:19:08.:19:10.

would be co-operation across national boundaries, and of course

:19:11.:19:22.

regulatory bodies here in Scotland would continue to protect us. She

:19:23.:19:24.

also commented that it was about an understanding of our exposure. I

:19:25.:19:27.

agree with this. We must ask ourselves what came from EU

:19:28.:19:29.

directives? Is the legislation devolved or reserved? What is now

:19:30.:19:32.

enshrined in Scottish Parliament legislation? EU directives are not

:19:33.:19:36.

about bureaucracy or red tape, as some in the league campaign would

:19:37.:19:40.

argue, this is about directives that were forged collectively to protect

:19:41.:19:45.

us all. The chair of the UK climate change committee has said that

:19:46.:19:48.

Europe is about gaining sovereignty as it allows us to face

:19:49.:19:53.

environmental issues. Let's look to see if we can, indeed, in some way

:19:54.:19:57.

retain the membership and those benefits. As to the process, if it

:19:58.:20:02.

comes to it, of dissident whining ourselves from Europe here in

:20:03.:20:06.

Scotland, and whatever speed it moves, we must argue that we must

:20:07.:20:10.

fight against any moves to weaken or repeal environmental protection. The

:20:11.:20:14.

legislation from protect those in our communities who are most in need

:20:15.:20:26.

of support, communities have built dislocated left behind. The ambient

:20:27.:20:28.

air quality directive identifies air-quality zones to tackle dangers

:20:29.:20:29.

to health from traffic emissions. About 4000 people across the UK

:20:30.:20:32.

still die of air pollution each year at the enactment of this legislation

:20:33.:20:37.

is better protecting people in Glasgow and other cities across

:20:38.:20:42.

Scotland. The water framework directive was introduced in 2000 and

:20:43.:20:47.

transposed into Scots law as the water environment and services act

:20:48.:20:54.

in 2003. And it has ensured the quality of our drinking water and

:20:55.:20:57.

reggae sour sewage systems for the benefit people and the environment.

:20:58.:21:01.

Scotland has a high quality water environment that is important to our

:21:02.:21:05.

health and well-being and it supports a rich diversity of

:21:06.:21:09.

wildlife and attracts visitors and supports sustainable development of

:21:10.:21:15.

our economy. I also recall when some of Scotland's beaches were not

:21:16.:21:18.

somewhere I would want to take my children but now, thanks to the

:21:19.:21:21.

implementation of the bathing water directive I can happily take my

:21:22.:21:26.

grandson to any beach here in Scotland without thinking twice. The

:21:27.:21:30.

Marine protected areas enacted by the Marine Scotland act, due to

:21:31.:21:34.

international obligations under the EU marine strategy framework

:21:35.:21:37.

directive that calls for good environmental status throughout

:21:38.:21:41.

Europe's marine areas. The birds and Habitat directive also calls for a

:21:42.:21:45.

network of protected areas. All these EU directives have been

:21:46.:21:50.

instrumental in benefiting the health of our seas, protecting the

:21:51.:21:53.

livelihoods of those who fish in them and those of future

:21:54.:21:56.

generations. On climate change I would take issue with Willie Rennie.

:21:57.:22:01.

It is essential that we continue to work with EU countries to protect

:22:02.:22:06.

present and future generations. Scotland is, indeed, a global

:22:07.:22:10.

leader, in the UK and the EU, and globally we are at a time when

:22:11.:22:15.

America and China are pressing for coordination. It is also essential

:22:16.:22:17.

that the range of funding that came from the EU to Scotland is

:22:18.:22:30.

protected. In my brief, for example, there is recent support for an

:22:31.:22:32.

offshore wind farm which received ?525 million from the European

:22:33.:22:34.

investment bank, supported by the European fund for strategic

:22:35.:22:36.

investments. It is the single largest investment by the EU and

:22:37.:22:42.

brings with it many jobs in Caithness. This kind of support as

:22:43.:22:46.

we transition to a low carbon economy is essential, so let us make

:22:47.:22:50.

sure that we assess how we can protect this funding for the future.

:22:51.:22:58.

With 75% of young people voting UK wide to remain, we have a

:22:59.:23:01.

responsibility to ensure that the Tories kept open to possible future

:23:02.:23:06.

membership of the EU. So many young people understand the cultural,

:23:07.:23:10.

educational and social links and opportunities that EU membership has

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brought. Many have been lucky enough to travel or work in Europe or have

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the advantage of educational exchanges and support such as the

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Rasmus scheme and as was highlighted earlier this is very important for

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the future. Lewis Douglas wrote to me yesterday to say that following

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the EU referendum on Thursday and the United Kingdom's momentous

:23:36.:23:39.

decision, it will have a defining impact on the future of where our

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country is going now. Most importantly this decision will have

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a defining impact on young people's future. Unfortunately the 16 and

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17-year-olds were denied the right to vote. I am writing to you this

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afternoon to ask for your support to ensure that young people's voices

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are heard. The Scottish youth Parliament this afternoon has called

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on the First Minister to include young people in the next steps for

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this country, following the decision to leave the European Union, helping

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to make our voices heard in shaping our future. I ask the First Minister

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to listen to this play this afternoon. Before I call Claire

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Adamson can I remind members that we are going to winding up and if they

:24:24.:24:26.

took part in the debate they should be in the chamber for winding up

:24:27.:24:33.

speeches. Can I welcome the First Minister's statement this afternoon

:24:34.:24:39.

and also the revealing of the setting up of the Council of experts

:24:40.:24:44.

which I think will be vital in securing a positive outcome for

:24:45.:24:47.

Scotland in the months and years ahead. When we were discussing

:24:48.:24:55.

Scottish independence in 2014 one of the members of that council event,

:24:56.:25:01.

David Edwards, gave evidence to the European committee and in that

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evidence he said, personally I hope very much that an issue of an

:25:05.:25:08.

independent Scotland with a place in the EU will not arise, but the issue

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was important for the integrity of the EU and also the credibility of

:25:15.:25:20.

its institutions. It affects other countries as well. People are

:25:21.:25:26.

entitled to know, as far as possible, where they stand. We find

:25:27.:25:31.

ourselves in a similar situation today. This is not what we would

:25:32.:25:35.

have wanted as a result of the referendum but we have to deal with

:25:36.:25:42.

those consequences. In the Scottish independence debate we were hampered

:25:43.:25:47.

by not being able to get clarity in some of these key issues so I very

:25:48.:25:52.

much hope that David Cameron's offer to the Scottish Government to be

:25:53.:25:57.

included and be part of the negotiations ahead will include that

:25:58.:26:04.

when clarity is needed from the member state to approach the

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European Union that that will now happen at the request of our First

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Minister. I am very, very disappointed that we

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are at this point because of what seems to be the Conservative Party's

:26:21.:26:24.

petty and ill-conceived jealousies that seem to have been conceived in

:26:25.:26:28.

the Bullingdon club and that have brought the UK to the brink of an

:26:29.:26:38.

uncoupling from the EU. It's a tragedy worth of Shakespearean

:26:39.:26:45.

epics. Our tragedy is that the Tory Party have lost the plot. They have

:26:46.:26:51.

left a void in leadership and Government at the most difficult

:26:52.:26:57.

time for our country but I also hold them responsible for the social

:26:58.:27:02.

inclusion void, a vacuum in the post-industrial communities similar

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to where I live and brass waut up. Communities where hope and -- where

:27:10.:27:18.

I live and was brought up. That vanning home where the fears for the

:27:19.:27:22.

future, for fears for families have been exploited and used by those

:27:23.:27:29.

bent on division and blaming migration for the country's

:27:30.:27:35.

problems. Elaine Smith talked very carefully about how these

:27:36.:27:39.

communities feel powerless and disengaged from the political

:27:40.:27:43.

process but no one has mentioned why there is such a difference in the

:27:44.:27:46.

Scottish vote in these post-industrial areas than there is

:27:47.:27:50.

in the rest of the UK. Could it be that the rest of the UK hasn't been

:27:51.:27:56.

protected from the bedroom tax? It hasn't had its council rebate

:27:57.:28:00.

protected. The children haven't been protected through the educational

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maintenance allowance being maintained. They don't have free

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personal care, free prescriptions or free education. I hold the Tory

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Party culpable for that vacuum they've left in our communities.

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APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, it was the

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closure of RavensCraig that brought me to the SNP and on a principle of

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independence within Europe. I look at my community which has seen a

:28:31.:28:35.

Government leave no stone unturned to protect our steel industry and

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has successfully done in securing liberty take over of the existing

:28:41.:28:47.

steel plants in Scotland. The rest of the UK have seen leadership from

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the Tory Party that is based on the market being all and I am sure that

:28:53.:28:57.

had Redcar, had Port Talbot had the same Government fighting for them

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that we had in Scotland things may have been so different in this vote.

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And that desperation of our communities has been sickeningly

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exploited and is evidenced by that appalling breaking point poster that

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was released only a few days before the election. So the blame should

:29:19.:29:23.

lie with those who are culpable. There is no pantomime villain to

:29:24.:29:28.

blame for the problems in the UK, although Nigel Farage and Boris

:29:29.:29:32.

Johnson are making a good run for it. This has been a great tragedy

:29:33.:29:36.

for our country and I was appalled to hear the tale of one of my

:29:37.:29:42.

constituents who received racist abuse from someone who had

:29:43.:29:47.

frequented his shop for years, never having displayed such sentiments, a

:29:48.:29:51.

family who work in our area, who live, their children and

:29:52.:29:54.

grandchildren live in my constituency. They employ people in

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my constituency, they fundraise for food banks and for our hospice. They

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were told to go home leaving the expletives out. They are home.

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That's what we should all remember. APPLAUSE

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Presiding Officer, I want to finish with a quote from Michael Rosen, our

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children's laureate. I am sure he's taken us on a bear hunt in the past

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but this is from another poem. I sometimes fear people think fascism

:30:27.:30:29.

arrives in fancy dress and played out in the endless reruns of the Naz

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ies. Fascism arrive as your friend t will restore your honour, make you

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feel proud, protect your home, give you a job, clean up your

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neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the

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corrupt and move everything you feel is unlike you. I hope the whole

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country will reflect on those words because zenophobia and racism are no

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place in any solution going forward. Thank you. Six minutes or

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thereabouts, please. Yesterday Angela Merkel hosted a meeting with

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Francois Hollande in Berlin to consider the process of British

:31:18.:31:21.

withdrawal from the European Union. The leaders of the EU have lost no

:31:22.:31:27.

time in confirming that a member state voting to leave finds itself

:31:28.:31:32.

immediately outside the tent. The process of negotiation looks set to

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be very tough indeed. Even more visually striking was Europe's big

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three had also changed overnight. The place occupied by successive

:31:43.:31:45.

British Prime Ministers was now taken by the Prime Minister of Italy

:31:46.:31:50.

and they acted as if it had always been that way. The message could not

:31:51.:31:55.

have been clearer, the world has changed and so has our place in it.

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60 years ago, Anthony Eden plunged Britain into the Suez crisis that

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culminated in his resignation. Seeking in vein to maintain the

:32:09.:32:13.

British empire he hastened its end and changed our place in the world.

:32:14.:32:19.

British foreign policy has focussed ever more sharply on Europe since

:32:20.:32:23.

then until now. And the present Prime Minister will go down in

:32:24.:32:28.

history for an equally momentous decision. David Cameron's Suez was a

:32:29.:32:34.

referendum we did not need with an outcome even he did not want. It is

:32:35.:32:37.

future generation who is will pay the price of that folly if these

:32:38.:32:42.

Islands do indeed disengage from our European neighbours. But that

:32:43.:32:46.

referendum has happened. The world has changed. Today's debate has been

:32:47.:32:51.

about how we deal with that. What we should not do is head straight for

:32:52.:32:55.

the trenches to fight again the previous referendum. If the vote

:32:56.:32:59.

last week changed the world, so did the vote in 2014. It's no longer

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credible to say well that was a vote of Britain as a whole, there is no

:33:04.:33:07.

Scottish angle because Scotland is another component part of the United

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Kingdom. Not so. If this parliament with their new devolved powers

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really is the most powerful devolved parliament anywhere, it follows that

:33:18.:33:21.

we can and must take our considered view of the implications of Brexit

:33:22.:33:25.

for Scotland's future. Labour will not support the Conservative

:33:26.:33:28.

amendment today because it seeks to rule out any engagement by the

:33:29.:33:31.

Scottish Government with the institutions of the EU as if such

:33:32.:33:34.

engagement was simply a matter for the UK Government alone. Surely this

:33:35.:33:42.

is not the time to limit what options Scotland's devolved

:33:43.:33:45.

Government can explore. I am grateful to the member. I agree with

:33:46.:33:50.

the general point he is making but surely it goes further, the Scottish

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parliament is about to gain over the period of this session powers that

:33:56.:33:58.

place our budget much more into connection with the performance of

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our economy and yet at precisely that time it's the UK Government

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which has taken the most wreckless gamble with the economy which will

:34:06.:34:09.

have a direct impact on spending on public services here unless we act

:34:10.:34:15.

to protect them. I agree with that but at the same time it's true to

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say that last week's vote does not change the decision of the Scottish

:34:19.:34:22.

people in 2014 when we voted to remain part of the United Kingdom.

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The question which voters in Scotland were asked last week was

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whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European

:34:29.:34:33.

Union and it is the answer to that question which should guide what we

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do now. There are material changes, of course. Many will wonder whether

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independence in Europe if Scotland is in or without is less attractive

:34:44.:34:47.

than what was on offer. Many will leave a domestic market of 65

:34:48.:34:50.

million is more precious if we lose access to a single market of 500

:34:51.:34:55.

million even if some think the single market matters more. The

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First Minister has said again today there are options to explore other

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than a second independence referendum and we on this side take

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her at her word. If she wants to retain that credibility and

:35:07.:35:09.

cross-party support she will want to contain the excitement of those of

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her supporters and even ministers who cannot wait for it and appear to

:35:16.:35:20.

have written off other options already. Many voters will not want a

:35:21.:35:24.

referendum whatever the question because recent weeks have reminded

:35:25.:35:29.

us of how ugly, brutal and divisive such choices on major national

:35:30.:35:32.

issues can be. I was glad she made clear this afternoon that support

:35:33.:35:35.

for her motion is quite separate from the issue of independence, that

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clear distinction must be maintained throughout the process we begin

:35:41.:35:43.

today. We ask the First Minister to explore Scotland's options on behalf

:35:44.:35:47.

of this parliament for protecting the benefits of Scotland's

:35:48.:35:50.

relationship with the EU and our place in the single market all of

:35:51.:35:54.

which we have secured over 40 years as part of the UK. We want her to do

:35:55.:35:58.

that in consultation with other leaders of devolved administrations

:35:59.:36:02.

in the United Kingdom, such as the Mayor of London and we welcome what

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she has said today on that matter. Other parties will also be active in

:36:06.:36:10.

pursuing initiatives towards our shared objectives. Kezia Dugdeal has

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spoken to the Mayor of London, the and the chief Minister of Gibraltar,

:36:17.:36:21.

all share our values and value the UK's membership of the EU. There is

:36:22.:36:25.

a particular onus on the Government to take these matters forward over

:36:26.:36:30.

coming months. We welcome the presiding officer's assurance that

:36:31.:36:33.

the parliament stands ready for recall if required this summer to

:36:34.:36:36.

hear what progress the Government has made and I look forward forward

:36:37.:36:41.

to the Cabinet Secretary addressing immediate issues at the European

:36:42.:36:44.

committee this week. I hope in summing up today the Cabinet

:36:45.:36:47.

Secretary will say more about exploring options other than

:36:48.:36:50.

independence and that she and her colleagues will work hard to

:36:51.:36:54.

maintain a united approach. Only by doing that can we give people here

:36:55.:37:00.

and elsewhere hope that the chaos and crisis caused by David Cameron's

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referendum will not mean the end of our European story.

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APPLAUSE Thank you very much. Eight minutes

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or theres about. This has been a passionate and deeply felt afternoon

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of debate and so it should be. Few decisions taken by an electorate

:37:20.:37:22.

have held such profound implications for a country. May I begin by paying

:37:23.:37:27.

tribute to the voters in my constituency who again achieved a

:37:28.:37:31.

record turnout in Scotland of 76%. And who together with voters in

:37:32.:37:35.

Edinburgh achieved the highest vote for Remain in Scotland and the 9th

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and 10th highest votes representatively anywhere in the UK.

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My constituents voted to Remain. As with all but a handful of members I

:37:44.:37:47.

sought a different outcome and while I accept the outcome across the UK,

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I share the dismay and frustration expressed by the First Minister last

:37:52.:37:56.

Friday. There have been three referendums since devolution and

:37:57.:37:58.

while I appreciate the First Minister has been on the losing side

:37:59.:38:01.

in all of them, being on the losing side this time has been a new

:38:02.:38:06.

experience for me. There have been some SNP lawyers this afternoon who

:38:07.:38:10.

have commended the First Minister on the leadership she showed during the

:38:11.:38:13.

campaign and may I surprisingly join them and congratulate her on the

:38:14.:38:17.

energy she brought to the contest, both here in Scotland and in her

:38:18.:38:21.

participation in the UK referendum debate. But I cannot help but

:38:22.:38:26.

observe that the Scottish party who supporters apparently voted to leave

:38:27.:38:30.

by the largest percentage were those of the SNP and perhaps the First

:38:31.:38:35.

Minister will reflect on why so many of her supporters ignored her advice

:38:36.:38:39.

and perhaps Richard Lockhead may like to reflect on why nearly 50% of

:38:40.:38:44.

his constituents voted to ignore him. This was not a clear-cut result

:38:45.:38:50.

in every district and every community in Scotland. But dessia

:38:51.:38:54.

dug das deal has to reflect while many Labour voters may have followed

:38:55.:38:58.

her advice in Scotland, by a greater margin they rejected the shocking

:38:59.:39:02.

leadership from Jeremy Corbyn, no national leader has looked more

:39:03.:39:06.

lacklustre smug or indifferent to the result since last Thursday than

:39:07.:39:11.

he has. She can stew in her anger against this side but she needs to

:39:12.:39:15.

boil on the shame of her own juices over the complacent and indifferent

:39:16.:39:20.

leadership shown by Scotland's party's current UK leader at

:39:21.:39:27.

Westminster. In any event, I might observe too in passing, as did

:39:28.:39:32.

e-Labour Party Smith, that to proportional as this parliament may

:39:33.:39:37.

be it did not reflect the balance of opinion in Scotland and that's

:39:38.:39:40.

something for us to reflect upon however awkward. The proposition I

:39:41.:39:44.

voted for last week and campaigned for that the UK remain in the

:39:45.:39:48.

European Union no longer exists. That was the proposition on the

:39:49.:39:51.

ballot paper, it was not that I or anyone else are to that matter vote

:39:52.:39:55.

for Scotland to remain in the EU whatever the terms of the

:39:56.:39:57.

circumstances. I voted for Scotland to remain in an EU where the whole

:39:58.:40:02.

of the UK was an influential member state. The First Minister in her

:40:03.:40:07.

statement last Friday reasonably expressed her frustration, and to be

:40:08.:40:10.

frank, anger at the fact that Scotland along with Northern Ireland

:40:11.:40:12.

and London spoke so differently to the rest of the UK. She's embarked

:40:13.:40:16.

on a strategy to explore all the options open to Scotland. And has

:40:17.:40:21.

detailed these as she sees them in broad terms the sensible and

:40:22.:40:25.

prudent. But if I had the views expressed this morning however n the

:40:26.:40:29.

European Parliament by Jean-Claude Juncker and the fact in the last few

:40:30.:40:33.

minutes the European President Donald Tusk has turned down the

:40:34.:40:37.

First Minister's invitation for a meeting, suggests that it is not

:40:38.:40:41.

going to be an easy path forward. I suspect that while the First

:40:42.:40:44.

Minister does no disservice in exploring her options, the reality

:40:45.:40:48.

of a union based on treaty will assert itself although I hope that

:40:49.:40:53.

my pragmatic pessimism proves wrong. However, in exploring all the

:40:54.:40:56.

options and within hours of the result, the First Minister confirmed

:40:57.:41:00.

she had instructed officials, it seems almost before anything else

:41:01.:41:03.

and before anybody had digested their breakfast, to prepare the way

:41:04.:41:06.

for a second Scottish independence referendum. Because as I listened

:41:07.:41:11.

with care then to the options as the 15s Minister detailed them, I did

:41:12.:41:15.

not hear advanced what many regard as the Prost mob outcome and which

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surely the SNP must acknowledge must be a possible scenario, that

:41:20.:41:23.

Scotland remains in the UK and outside of the European Union. It's

:41:24.:41:27.

not enough for SNP members to sit on their seats and sneer and say this

:41:28.:41:31.

shows the true colours of people who consider that. It is surely

:41:32.:41:35.

imperative in that scenario we not only secure the best possible terms

:41:36.:41:39.

in our exiting the formal EU for Scotland, but that in the future

:41:40.:41:42.

life of our country we ensure that the policies adopted for the areas

:41:43.:41:45.

of national life once again determined in the UK are

:41:46.:41:50.

unequiffally designed to advance Scotland's best interests. At the

:41:51.:41:54.

very least this option should enjoy a parallel status and frefrt the

:41:55.:41:55.

Scottish Government. If they don't do that and they focus

:41:56.:42:03.

on the campaign for the next referendum then the SNP risks

:42:04.:42:08.

undermining the Scotland influence in the very negotiations and future

:42:09.:42:10.

planning that are taking place as others conclude that the Scotland

:42:11.:42:15.

contributed are parted, half baked and designed to undermine the deal

:42:16.:42:18.

available. I do not argue this would ever be the intention of ministers

:42:19.:42:22.

but it could easily be the conclusion of others less and liked

:42:23.:42:26.

it so we need to see Nicola Sturgeon in the heart of London and not in

:42:27.:42:31.

Europe, we need her to work with the Secretary of State for Scotland who

:42:32.:42:35.

she didn't mention in her statement today, and all others to represent

:42:36.:42:39.

Scotland's best interests. We need all of Scotland's Westminster MPs,

:42:40.:42:43.

with the First Minister didn't mention today, to represent the

:42:44.:42:46.

Scottish interest and not those of the SNP. We need to see and the

:42:47.:42:50.

voices in support of Scotland and not just suffered the village and

:42:51.:42:56.

tweets in support of the SNP belligerent agenda. Central to our

:42:57.:43:02.

interest is the access to the free trade market that is so fundamental

:43:03.:43:06.

importance to employment. The result last week doesn't change the fact

:43:07.:43:09.

that the overwhelming majority of our business is with the rest of the

:43:10.:43:13.

UK or the European Union and jobs and futures depend upon it. Foremost

:43:14.:43:17.

in our minds wherever we live in the UK should be the future of our young

:43:18.:43:22.

people. I know from my own home and friends of my son is just how

:43:23.:43:25.

strongly they feel. It is not just a media fantasy but rightly or wrongly

:43:26.:43:29.

many young people now feel that the 60% of our older generation who

:43:30.:43:35.

voted to leave have the opportunity of the youngest generation who voted

:43:36.:43:39.

to remain. We have above all else to show and give these young people

:43:40.:43:44.

help. Direct democracy has let them down in a way ripped representative

:43:45.:43:49.

democracy would not do but we have to offer them the opportunity to

:43:50.:43:52.

study and work across Europe and the world as they would wish to do so

:43:53.:43:56.

and we need to facilitate this and the potential absence of the many

:43:57.:43:59.

schemes available currently within the existing EU and welcome others

:44:00.:44:04.

to the UK in exchange. Just a few weeks ago, and on all sides of this

:44:05.:44:07.

chamber, members spoke with passion and commitment for the UK's

:44:08.:44:12.

continued membership of the European Union. I argued I hope and believe

:44:13.:44:15.

not on the basis of why we should not leave but why we should remain.

:44:16.:44:21.

I will always argue for the most positive, productive and engaging

:44:22.:44:23.

relationship with Europe but now it is necessary for us to meet the

:44:24.:44:27.

challenge few of us sort and we need to meet it with steely purpose and

:44:28.:44:30.

with an agreed unity of purpose and with a message of hope, however

:44:31.:44:38.

individuals may define it, our Judy T is now to find the best result for

:44:39.:44:50.

the people of Scotland. I wish to thank all of those who have

:44:51.:44:53.

participated in the debate today and also echoed the First Minister's

:44:54.:44:58.

pride in the decision voters in Scotland took to decisively vote in

:44:59.:45:02.

favour of Scotland and the UK's continuing membership of the EU.

:45:03.:45:06.

Just reflecting on the contribution, I think Jackson Carla does protest

:45:07.:45:14.

too much and it is about time the Conservatives face up to what they

:45:15.:45:26.

have done. It doesn't behold him to lash out to other people and other

:45:27.:45:31.

members in this chamber. Some of the members today have contributed about

:45:32.:45:35.

how they felt personally, as Willie Rennie did, some about their

:45:36.:45:39.

constituents and how they feel, some have talked about the immediate

:45:40.:45:43.

consequences of the referendum vote and some about the nature of the

:45:44.:45:48.

campaign that was fought, and some about the immediate aftermath. Many

:45:49.:45:53.

have focused on the result itself, the emphatic 62% of Scots who chose

:45:54.:45:59.

to remain, but also I thought it was a very passionate speech when Kezia

:46:00.:46:06.

Dugdale asked us to understand that in some places in some cases people

:46:07.:46:10.

voted to leave out of a sense of powerlessness and a need for change,

:46:11.:46:14.

and we also have to think through the consequences of that and Patrick

:46:15.:46:20.

Harvie was correct to identify that there was space provided for

:46:21.:46:23.

division and fear and hatred to be engendered and that has to be

:46:24.:46:27.

confronted and faced on in all of our politics as we go ahead.

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Christina McHale be talked about rights and respectful citizens of

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the EU and many of the contributions we have had today have talked about

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EU citizens living here. The Europe minister visited two businesses

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yesterday morning in Edinburgh, owned by EU nationals, to hear

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first-hand why they chose to make Scotland their home, and to make

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clear to them that their contribution is valued, and right

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across Scotland employers organisations and industries have

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been publishing messages and making statements stressing the continued

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welcome for their friends and colleagues. A professor from the

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University of Glasgow State on Friday that the university was

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founded in the European tradition and nothing will change their

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international outlook. He told his colleagues and the students from the

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EU just how much this University values the contribution to the

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community and they are vital and important part of the University.

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The head of NHS Scotland has stated that he values the contribution of

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every member of staff in NHS Scotland regardless of citizenship.

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The EU referendum has not changed that. The principle of the Royal

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conservator of Scotland emphasises that our EU people will be welcome.

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I think we can all agree that however each of us voted that the

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Scottish Government has a responsibility to provide

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reassurance to the 173,000 EU citizens that have chosen to make

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Scotland their home and the First Minister head of this debate has

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already outlined the actions we are taking to provide that reassurance.

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I met yesterday with many ambassadors who have citizens living

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here and I underlined our commitment to the interests of their citizens

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and I think it is important that we do ensure that welcome is known. We

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have always argued in this government about the benefits of EU

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migration and that is a consistent part of our message and I was

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saddened and angered the way some used or seek to use in a wholly

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misleading way migration as a way to encourage people to leave. Claire

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Adamson gave a clarion call in a very powerful speech about how all

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of us going forward must face up and face down that behaviour. We cannot

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express the Scottish Government welcome more clearly than the First

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Minister on Friday morning. Scotland is your home, you're welcome here

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and your contribution is valued. I also want to emphasise that in my

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discussions with the ambassadors yesterday I told them about this

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debate and that it was a motion about how approval to take forward

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and protect Scotland's interests in the EU and that all options would be

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assessed, and they was not -- that we were not asking Parliament will

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support about the referendum. Despite my disappointment in the UK

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result I want to stress again the commitment of the Scottish

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Government in ensuring that all of Scotland's interests and those of

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our citizens are protected at this most uncertain of times. The

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Scottish Government will take that forward. We spoke about the economic

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aspects and some direct dialogue is happening already about how to

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ensure that our business interests are protected. We must also think

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about how we do it and who we do it with. We spoke about the financial

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services industry in the city. How do we expect the financial services

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in the city of Edinburgh to be advanced without the opportunity to

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engage directly, and I bear in mind that the financial services

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commission has resigned. Although there may be similar interests with

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the financial services in London, there will also be different

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interests and it is very important that we explore all options and we

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understand that. I want to turn to Oliver Mundell in particular who

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said there is no need to jump to hasty conclusions. In terms of our

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engagement, we are seeking urgent talks with the UK Government on its

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plans for a withdrawal but I make it clear that no one has any idea what

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those plans are. His perspective, to wait and see is at best passive, but

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actually worse is a complete and utter abdication of responsibility.

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If you listen to the tone of the Conservatives, both sides of remain

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and leave our acting and behaving as they wish it hadn't happened. Our

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job and responsibility is to take forward Scotland's interests and I

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will ensure that we have dialogue with our colleagues across the

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United Kingdom. We have said quite clearly that Scotland must have a

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clear role in the UK negotiation and, indeed, the Prime Minister has

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confirmed that but we do need a seat at the table and we can't have a

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repeat of the situation of the last year in terms of the negotiations

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and in terms of David Cameron's work that we were locked out of. It is

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unclear how these developments will be taken forward but I have met with

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the Secretary of State for Scotland on Friday and I'm due to have a full

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call with Europe minister tomorrow and it is important that we ensure

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that we have an opportunity to look at all options but we must have a

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direct engagement to ensure that all options can be explored with EU

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institutions as well as with the United Kingdom. Many members have

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cited different arguments for economic benefit from the EU, that

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the access to the single market, the valuable social and human rights,

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the importance of being able to pool sovereignty and look bigger issues

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such as global challenges and tapping pollution and climate change

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and the refugee crisis. We don't have to look too far back in history

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to acknowledge the importance of corporation in the EU over complex.

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That is something we must always remember. I am proud that this

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chamber the debate a month ago step forward the positive case for

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membership, free from the fear -based campaigning we saw on both

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sides during the closing stages. The benefits will realise from our EU

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membership were as real last week as they are this week and in voting to

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remain the people of Scotland have recognised that and that is why the

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Scottish Government is committed to be examining all options open to it

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and preserving its relationship with the EU so these benefits can

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continue to be realised and we will engage directly with European states

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and institutions and the UK Government and I met with the

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Secretary of State, as I said, and I am talking to the UK's Europe

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minister, and we continue our engagement in Brussels and other

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member states. If we are to advance our interest in law and business and

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jobs and environment, we must identify what the options are within

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the EU institutions and the member states. In doing so we can build on

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the work of the European external affairs committee report which was

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set out and I can reassure many that I will make sure opposition members

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and spokespeople are informed. We have the benefit in Scotland of

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taking this work forward with advice and information and knowledge and

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wisdom from a standing Council on Europe, as announced by the First

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Minister, to look at all the options that we can take forward in pursuing

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our interest. In terms of where we are now, we are in a unique and

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unprecedented situation and we are in uncharted waters and there is no

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obvious route forward but together we must find a route forward and I

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am confident that we as a parliament can work collaboratively going

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forward, taking all actions in the best interests of Scotland. The

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people of Scotland sent us here in our election a few weeks ago to

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represent us -- them and stand up for their interests. We have a clear

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responsibility and duty to work together, not just across this

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chamber but together with the experience and knowledge and wisdom

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of the standing council and beyond to make sure that we identify,

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protect and advance the Scotland interest in the EU. It is in that

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spirit and that intent that I would urge members to think forward in the

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case of Scotland, not just where we have been recently in this campaign,

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but where we want Scotland to be in the future. We might not have a

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charted route forward but if we have a commitment and a common endeavour

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and we have the interest of Scotland clearly in our focus I think this

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Parliament, working together, can achieve much in difficult times. So

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I would urge all members to think about the opportunities that lie

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ahead, the challenges that lie ahead, be realistic about what they

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may be, but let's come together and give endorsement that that work

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should and must take place. That concludes the debate on the

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implications of the EU referendum for Scotland. It is time to move

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onto the next item business. Aramid amendments 44-68 and opposition

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amendment 181 relating to investment relief. Klaus and 76 extends

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entrepreneur relief to external investors in in listed companies up

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in a 10% rate of capital gains tax accruing on

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