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1982-2010... We are leaving the House of Commons to go live to the | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Scottish Parliament were First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will make a | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
statement on the UK referendum on the EU. I would ask any member who | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
wishes to speak against the motion to press request to speak button now | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
and I call on Joe Fitzpatrick to move the motion. No member has asked | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
to speak against the motion so I will put the question to the | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
Chamber. Our agreed? Yes, we are all agreed. The next item of business is | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
a statement by the First Minister on the EU referendum. Before I call the | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
First Minister I would say a few words. This is the first opportunity | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
we've had to come together since the monumental events of last week. The | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
consequences of the EU referendum for Scotland are clearly complex and | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
will take some time to fully emerge. I am determined that the Parliament | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
is able to play a full role in this process, that we are able to be a | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
voice and provide a platform for every voice in this debate and to | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
scrutinise the reactions of the government in this matter. I am | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
determined that the Parliament is able to respond to events as they | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
develop also I have instructed the Parliamentary authorities to ensure | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
that resources are available over the summary says if necessary to | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
support a recall of Parliament, should I deem it necessary. I will | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
remain in close contact with party leaders and with the business | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
managers to discuss this matter and to report back to Parliament | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
regularly on progress. Thank you. I call on the First Minister. Thank | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
you very much, Presiding Officer. This is not a statement I wanted to | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
make. The Scottish Government did not seek a referendum on membership | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
of the EU, and we certainly did not want this result. While of course I | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
respect the views of all those who voted, the UK result leaves me | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
deeply disappointed and profoundly concerned. The Scottish Government | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
continues to believe that membership of the European Union is in their | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
best interests of Scotland, four our economy, society, culture and place | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
and the world. And not just for Scotland but for the rest of the UK. | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
That is why with the great majority of members of this Parliament and | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
all the party leaders, I campaigned hard for a remain result. I am proud | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
that Scotland voted to remain within the EU, and that we did so | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
emphatically. It is of course important for all of us to recognise | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
that some in Scotland did not vote to remain, but instead to leave the | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
EU, and I want to make it clear that, as we move forward, I am | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
committed to listening, understanding and seeking to address | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
the concerns that they have. However more than 60% of voters across | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
Scotland and the majority in every single one of our 32 local authority | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
area said clearly that wanted Scotland to stay in the EU. Scotland | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
voted to stay inside the single market and to protect the jobs, | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
investment and trade that depend on it. We chose Debian open, inclusive | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
and outward looking society where other EU citizens are welcomed to | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
live, work and contribute. We voted to protect freedom and prosperity | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
that comes with our rights to travel, live, work and study in | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
other European countries. And we endorse the principle of independent | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
countries working together to tackle global issues like climate change, | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
energy security and the fight against terrorism. Scotland spoke | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
clearly for remain, and I am determined that Scotland was my | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
voice will be heard. We are now of course in uncharted territory. We | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
face risk and uncertainty greater perhaps than at any time in the | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
post-war period. We are ready seeing some of the early consequences. | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
There has been extraordinary volatility in equity and currency | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
markets. Yonder financial markets, there are suggestions that companies | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
are considering relocating jobs and diverging investment and that others | :03:58. | :03:59. | |
are concerned about the future access to skilled workers. The | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
Chancellor emerged yesterday, I would say from hiding although it | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
was beginning to feel like that, the tellers that the UK aces the future | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
from a position of strength. Just hours later they pound reached a 31- | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
year low and the standard and Poor ratings agency downgraded the treble | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
eight credit rating of the UK. Like all of us, I hope that we will see | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
an early return of stability and some confidence. However, I fear | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
that we are still in the early days of this period of risk and | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
uncertainty. Presiding Officer, these are times that all pop and | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
suppose, purpose and clarity, in short, for leadership. That is why | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
the vacuum that has developed at Westminster is so acceptable. | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
Politicians who propose this referendum, no matter how bruised | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
they feel by the result have a duty now to step up to deal with the | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
consequences of its outcome. Those who campaigned for the leave vote | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
making another promises the process must now be clear and honest about | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
their plans to deliver. One thing I think is clear. There cannot be | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
three months of drift now while both the government and main opposition | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
parties at Westminster emerge -- immerse themselves in internal | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
elections. That would compound the difficult situation we are already | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
facing and risk even more damage to our economy. We have heard that, | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
almost incredibly, there was no plan for this outcome. It is my view that | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
the UK Government must now get a grip on this. First, to restore | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
stability and confidence, then to set out its plan for the way | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
forward. And it must involve the Scottish Government in that work at | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
every step of the way. The Scottish Government is already hard at work. | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
I have set three priorities for our work in immediate term. I want to | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
reassure those from other countries who have chosen to make Scotland | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
their home, I made a commitment to them on the morning on the result | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
and they want to repeat it here today. You are welcome in Scotland, | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
this is your home and we value your contribution. | :06:04. | :06:12. | |
APPLAUSE This commitment is all the more | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
important in light of reported racist attacks in the wake of last | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
week 's result. Letters as a Parliament Unite today, to make | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
clear that Scotland is an open and welcoming country and that | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
prejudice, hate and racism will not be tolerated, now or at any time. | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
The terms of the motion we debate this afternoon I thought this whole | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
Chamber the chance to send that message loudly and clearly. Alistair | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
Allan, the Minister for Europe, stressed, commitment to EU citizens | :06:45. | :06:52. | |
resident in Scotland and over the next week I will post consuls | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
general from all the EU member states to provide further | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
reassurance in the weeks and months ahead. The Deputy First Minister is | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
also taking steps to reassure EU students, already studying in awed | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
you do come to Scotland, of their continued place in our academic | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
community, and I welcome the commitment from Aberdeen University | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
to guarantee the Jewish and EU students for the duration of their | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
course, whatever the UK does. -- tuition for. We have been speaking | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
to as this is, organisations and stakeholders to provide as much | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
clarity as we possibly can, and to understand the concerns and | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
perspectives of all those affected by this period of damaging | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
uncertainty. We have made clear in those discussions, Scotland remains | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
a stable and attractive place for business and investment. Our ability | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
to trade with EU countries continues unaffected by the result of the | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
referendum until the UK concludes any negotiations and it is my | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
intention that we will secure continued access to the single | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
market for Scotland. I summoned a resilience meeting within a few | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
hours of the result being confirmed, to review with ministerial | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
colleagues the early impact and the Scottish Government 's Land's End | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
actions in response. The following morning, Saturday, I chaired the | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
meeting of the Scottish Cabinet. My colleagues reported on their | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
immediate engagement across different sectors and communities in | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
Scotland. That engagement continues to inform our planning and response. | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
Scotland is a good place to do business. Let us be clear about | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
that. Letters also be clear about this. If, in the circumstances the | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
UK is now in, Scotland does find a way to maintain or ablation should | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
the EU, as I am determined we will, then Scotland will become an even | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
more attractive place to do business, and I want to make sure | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
that we are alert to those opportunities. Presiding Officer, | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
this government and Parliament will not look in on ourselves. We will | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
listen and we will lead. That is what people expect, and that is what | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
we must continue to do. Let me turn now to our third and overriding | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
priority. Through all of this, I am determined, utterly determined, to | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
protect Scotland 's relationship with and are placed in the European | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
Union. The formal process of UK leaving the EU does not start until | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
the Prime Minister notifies the European Council of the terms of | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty of an intention to withdraw. As the | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
Prime Minister made clear on Friday morning, he does not intend to make | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
that notification. It will be a matter for his successor. That means | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
we are not yet at the stage of formal negotiations. It is vital, | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
however, that we seize the chance we have before these negotiations | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
start, to ensure that Scotland 's voice is heard as widely as | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
possible, in London, in Brussels and by member states across Europe. The | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
Prime Minister gave me a commitment on Friday morning to the full | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
engagement of the Scottish Government, and to ensure that the | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
interest of all parts of the UK are protected and advanced. Today I seek | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
the Parliament 's authority to hold the pie minister and his successor | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
to that commitment. This week I have discussed the situation with the | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
president of the club -- of the Republic of Ireland, who will | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
address the Chamber tomorrow. I had an constructive discussion this | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
morning with the Taoiseach. We are in touch with other heads of state | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
including through the British Irish Council which met in Glasgow before | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
the referendum, and which I expect me meet again very shortly. I spoke | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
on Friday with a mirror of London and this morning that the chief | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
minister of Gibraltar to discuss the shared interests we now have in | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
protecting our relationship with Europe. The government is directly | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
in touch with the governments of other member states, both to repeat | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
our assurance that their citizens are welcoming Scotland, and to make | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
clear Scotland 's strong commitment to our relationship with Europe. We | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
have been in touch with the European Commission and Parliament in | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
Brussels, responding to messages of encouragement and support for the | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
work ahead. Through these contacts we have again emphasise the | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
overwhelming support in Scotland for staying in the European Union, and | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
the commitment of the Scottish Government to protecting our | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
relationship with Europe. These contacts are, of course, just the | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
start. Tomorrow, I will make an initial visit to Brussels to set out | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
Scotland 's position and interest to representatives of the major groups | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
in the European Parliament, and to the president of the European | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
Parliament, Martin Schultz. I expect to hear from the Prime Minister on | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
the outcome of the European Council taking place this week and, | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
following that, I intend to set out Scotland 's position directly to the | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
European Commission. We are following up our first contact with | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
other member states, the Cabinet Secretary for culture, Europe and | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
external affairs met the ambassador was of Slovakia, Germany and France | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
to share our response to the result and our determinations to protect | :11:48. | :11:48. | |
Scotland 's relationship with Europe. | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
Presiding officer, we have made a good start, our early priority is to | :11:54. | :12:02. | |
spread awareness in Europe of Scotland's different choice in the | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
referendum, and our aspiration to stay in the European Union. We will | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
intensify this work in the weeks and days that lie ahead for is the it is | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
my responsibility to ensure that Scotland's voice is heard in Europe, | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
and I intend to do so. I have been very clear, I want our work to be | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
guided at every step of the way by expert advice and wide experience. | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
We have a great deal of work to do, basing government, and a parliament. | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
To set out and evaluate all the impact of the referendum results, | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
and all the options open to Scotland to secure our relationship with the | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
European Union. For that reason, I'm setting up a standing counsel of | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
experts to give advice to me and the government on how best to achieve | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
our EU objectives. This will be a team of experts on finance, and | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
political and constitutional opinions. It will provide the | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
government with access to a wealth of knowledge built up over the use | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
of experience. The council will consider the impact of proposed | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
changes to the UK's relationship with the EE on Scottish interests, | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
and advise Scottish ministers on the best way to secure Scottish | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
interests and objectives. Membership of the council will be flexible to | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
ensure we have access to appropriate advice as and when it is required. | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
However I can advise Parliament to date it will be chaired by a | :13:35. | :13:43. | |
principal of Glasgow University, and include Professor Sir David Edward, | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
former judge of the European Court of Justice. Dame Edwards, formerly | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
of Nato. John McKay one of the country's leading economists. And | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
Glover, former chief scientific adviser to the president of the | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
European Commission. Charles Grant, director for the centre of European | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
reform. David Martin, Labour member of the European Parliament. I intend | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
to publish the full list of initial members later today. Presiding | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
officer I have set out for Parliament the action we have taken | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
so far since the results of the referendum became clear. The nation | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
we shall debate shortly invites the Parliament to give me and my | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
government a mandate to continue this work, and to explore every | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
option for retaining Scotland's relationship with the European | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
Union. I very much hope it will attract support across this chamber. | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
The motion calls on the government to report back to Parliament and the | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
European committee, and we will do so. I will keep party leaders | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
informed of progress, and asked the Cabinet Secretary for Europe to keep | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
counterparts fully informed over the Parliamentary recess. I ensure the | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
chamber that we will return to Parliament to seek approval of any | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
outcome to the discussions. I believe there is a role for key | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
committees in the Scottish Parliament to contribute to this | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
vital process. I will be very happy to discuss that with the European | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
committee of the earliest opportunity. Presiding Officer, let | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
me turn finally to the matter of independence. I want to be clear to | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
Parliament, while I believe independence is the best option for | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
Scotland, I don't think that will come as a surprise to anyone, it is | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
not my starting point in these discussions. My starting point is to | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
protect Scotland's interests, and protect our relationship with the | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
EU. However I am in no doubt there has been a very real material change | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
to Scotland's circumstances brought about by last week's referendum | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
result. There is no doubt we are not very different place week from last. | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
During the independence referendum will be told staying in the UK made | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
me to benefit from having guaranteed access to the a driving factor in | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
many people's votes will stop that is no longer true. The country that | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
that usual settlement people voted for in 2014 is no longer a reality. | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
Based on a very clear result in Scotland, if we were to be removed | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
from the EU, it will be against the will of our people, democratically | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
unacceptable. It is for that reason that I have said everything must be | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
on the table to protect our place in Europe, including a second | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
independence referendum. To ensure that the option of holding a | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
referendum within the time frame of UK negotiations on leaving the EE | :16:49. | :16:55. | |
five double to liquor -- leaving the EE is viable, we will prepare | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
legislation. If the government does conclude that the best and only way | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
to protect Scotland's place in the EE is through a referendum to | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
independence, we will return to Parliament with that judgment, and | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
it will be for Parliament to decide. I am emphatically not asking | :17:14. | :17:15. | |
Parliament to endorse that statement to date. A vote for this motion is | :17:16. | :17:24. | |
not a vote for a referendum on independence. I hope this will | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
remove any option for the Conservatives not to back this | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
option. It would be very regrettable if the party that has put us in this | :17:34. | :17:45. | |
decision is the only one standing in our way in the efforts to resolve | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
it. Voting to deny us Parliament to support for our discussions with | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
Parliamentary organisations and EU members, would be to frustrate | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
Scotland's interests. Residing officer, the position we find | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
ourselves in is not of our making. There is no easy path ahead. At this | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
stage there are no guaranteed outcomes. My job is to navigate the | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
best possible path of Scotland, one that protects our interests, and | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
gives effect to what the people of our country voted for. That is what | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
I'm determined to do. As I do so, I promise I will be open and frank | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
with Parliament and the Scottish people about the options, challenges | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
that we face. I hope we can move forward in a spirit of unity and | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
national purpose. Presiding officer, my final .2 days this. While our | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
agenda on Europe is vital, we must not allow us to distract from the | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
business of governing Scotland, delivering only priorities I set out | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
only a month ago. Later to David the First Minister will underline our | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
determination to promote excellence and equity in our education system | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
by publishing Avenue education delivery plan. We will not waver in | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
our determination to promote equalities, the economy and our | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
situation of priorities. This situation will not stop us making | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
Scotland a better country for people living and working here. Our | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
decision to protect our place in the European Union will be part of that | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
work. Presiding officer, to conclude I am asking Parliament to recognise | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
the position Scotland has been placed in by the referendum result, | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
a physician at odds with the will of the Scottish people. -- a position. | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
I'm asking the Scottish parliament is support the motion we're bringing | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
forward today. Scotland has voted to remain in Europe, we must take all | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
the action necessary to insure the will of the Scottish people is | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
respected. I am asking the chamber to support the government in the | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
challenge that lies ahead of us, and for all of us to work together and | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
to do our best to turn this moment of disappointment and regret into a | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
new and promising beginning based on our common values our shared | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
commitment to the people we serve. APPLAUSE. | :20:14. | :20:23. | |
Can I thank the First Minister for her statement? Rather than take | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
questions, we will move to a full debate on the European referendum. | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
Can I ask the Cabinet Secretary for culture to move the motion for the | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
First Minister? Formally moved. Can I ask the ministers wishing to speak | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
to press their buttons. I suggest we allow the opening speakers from each | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
party not to be interrupted. I call on Ruth Davidson. Presiding officer, | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
I thank the First Minister for advanced notice of her statement. | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
Too often political events are described as seismic, the tremors | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
are more for politicians than working people. Last week's | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
referendum was not one of them. It is a defining moment in our | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
country's story. Deeply significant for all of us. I find myself | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
reflecting, this time seven days ago I was in final preparations for the | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
BBC debate arguing in favour of the European Union, where I was told we | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
were overplaying the impact of Brexit. A week is a long time in | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
politics. Major constitutional decisions, like EU and Scottish | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
independence have major economic consequences. Last week's decision | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
was not the one I supported, not the one I campaigned for. I am deeply | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
disappointed by the result. The first message I want to send | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
two-day, my belief in our capacity to meet the challenges we face has | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
not diminished one inch. Those challenges are great, indeed. | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
Complex. Questions upon questions, with more that have not been | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
formulated, never mind answered. We are a nation with a fundamentally | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
strong economy, educated workforce, developed a diplomatic network, and | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
a capacity to overcome the challenges we face, of that I am | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
certain. We are seeking to amend the gunmen's motion, let me set out | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
where we support it. First and foremost, let us unite in this | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
Parliament saying to people across the European Union, you are welcome, | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
you are wanted, your contribution is recognised, this is your own. Too | :22:37. | :22:45. | |
often, I fear... I fear the referendum debate is guilty | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
discussing the contribution of EU migrants to this country as some | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
sort of necessary evil, to fill the gaps in our labour market. Let us | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
say it loud and clear, we don't just need your labour, we want your | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
values, your brains, your culture and we want you. Let us unite in | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
expressing the discuss in the attacks that EU citizens have faced | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
in the day since referendum. The Scottish Conservatives pledge their | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
support for the Scottish Government work with the UK Government in the | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
coming weeks and months at the very negotiations are taking forward. It | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
cannot be overstated how important this new settlement will be for all | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
of us. It will define our new relationship with the European Union | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
for generations. It is vital we get it right. It is vital all the voices | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
are heard in putting the deal together. I won the First Minister | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
of Scotland involved. I want the first ministers of Wales and | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
Northern Ireland involved. Having stood alongside him last week, | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
having seen him argue for the city, I can be so Lisa Dowd what the Mayor | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
of London involved too. I'm pleased the Prime Minister has said he wants | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
the default administrations involved. The correct way to | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
progress. Even though the vote was to leave the EU, how emotion makes | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
it clear we want to protect and maximise Scotland's place in Europe | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
and the single market. I am not going to try and pretend this will | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
be easy. My scepticism is on record. We all have a duty to those many | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
people whose jobs rely on trade with EU member states to put scepticism | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
to one side, and push for the best possible deal. In so doing, we need | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
to ask practical questions, do we want Scotland to remain subject to | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
EU law? Denouement powers over fishing, farming and the environment | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
held in Brussels or this chamber? How do we protect the rights of the | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
Scottish financial services industry? Some of the practical | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
tasks that will lie ahead in the short and medium term. In saying | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
that, I do not brush aside the more fundamental consequences of last | :25:02. | :25:07. | |
weeks results? Consequences in Scotland have a wider and deeper | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
significance. As our amendment makes clear, Scotland and Northern Ireland | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
are to leave the European Union even though the majority did not want it. | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
In response the First Minister has made it clear in the days since the | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
date that she was to explore what options are available to Scotland. | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
Let me say where we agree. We welcome the formation of a standing | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
counsel of experts will stop the more expertise we have the better. | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
If the Scottish Government wants to explore Scotland's options from | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
within the United Kingdom, we can support that. After this stage we | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
have concerns with the Scottish gunmen's approach since the days the | :25:46. | :25:54. | |
result was announced. I cannot support that the Scottish gunmen had | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
pushed questions of independence from consent. The First Minister's | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
announcement that she had instructed Scottish officials to draw up the | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
necessary legislation for a second referendum for independence. Nor can | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
I ignore the First Minister justifying this on the basis... In | :26:13. | :26:25. | |
order to remain European country, a referendum may have to happen. I | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
heard the first Mr telling us this nation is nothing to do with | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
independence. In the days since the result last week, it feels too many | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
people that the SNP is talking about nothing but independence, doing so | :26:39. | :26:39. | |
today. The First Minister speaks of people | :26:40. | :26:48. | |
in Scotland worried and outraged at the EU result. I feel duty bound to | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
speak up for the many people of Scotland who have contacted myself | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
and my colleagues in the past few days to say that they, too, are | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
deeply worried about the prospect of another referendum on independence. | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
That is why we have included our opposition to this post back in our | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
amendment today. You do not dampen the shock waves caused by one | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
referendum by lighting the fuse on another nor by saying that the | :27:14. | :27:16. | |
economic impact of leaving one union says that you should leave the union | :27:17. | :27:23. | |
whose value and trade eclipses the other many times over. My abdomen is | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
this post BR admits in favour of the UK in 2014 were not based on the | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
risk of independence as convincing as they were, but because I believe | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
that we, in Britain, have more in common than that which divides us. | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
Does last week 's vote test that motion 's registered does, and there | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
is little point in pretending otherwise. It tests, but it does not | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
break it. It does not break the continuing logic of sharing power | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
with the United Kingdom, not splitting from it. It does not break | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
the arguments in favour of or in single market, a market that is more | :27:59. | :28:00. | |
important to Scotland 's prosperity than the EU, not less. It does not | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
break our shared story which despite the shock waves of the last few | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
days, will endure. And the referendum result last week does not | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
overturn the vote we had 21 months ago to remain part of the UK. I know | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
that many people are hurt by the week -- last week 's result, pulling | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
some have voted no in 2014. I am one of them. But the lesson of last week | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
's referendum are not a simple them and us, not when 1 million of our | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
countrymen voted to leave, too. The lessons are far more profound. We | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
have more in common across the UK than that which divides us? Yes, we | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
have way, way too much in common. We have people who feel disempowered | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
and voiceless. Anger at the way that power has been abused in politics, | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
finance and the media, frustration and lack of access and barriers to | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
social mobility and a growing sense of insecurity amongst families who | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
feel that the world is passing them by. These are the questions we must | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
face up to as a country, as we reflect on this debate. And they | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
affect all of us, no matter which part of the UK you are from. These | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
are the questions we should be answering, not repeating the same | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
old arguments of the past. Presiding Officer, I think we can all agree | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
that referendums are bruising, and not just bruising but on matters of | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
such significance, they are wounding, too. From now on, I hope | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
we find time to learn the right lessons, not the wrong ones, to | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
emerge as a stronger society, a better nation and they still United | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
Kingdom. I moved the amendment in my name. Recall Kezia Dugdale. | :29:32. | :29:44. | |
Presiding Officer, we live in uncertain times. The social, | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
political and economic order has been turned upside down. It will | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
take many months and years for us to fully grasp the consequences. We | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
have already seen the collapse in the pound, the fall in the value of | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
companies, businesses uncertain about people and investments. Those | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
whose jobs rely on access to the EU single market worry what the future | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
holds. That may echo what other people have said in our message to | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
EU migrants living and working in Scotland. You contribute not to just | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
do the economy but to society and a culture that we have built together, | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
so let me say to the 180,000 EU migrants living in Scotland on | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
behalf of these benches, you are welcome. | :30:27. | :30:34. | |
APPLAUSE 20% of them live here in Edinburgh. | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
A city that I have a great honour of representing in this Parliament. 74% | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
here voted to remain, one of the highest results in all of the United | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
Kingdom. I know that there are people in this great city who, | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
despite the support from their neighbours, now feel ill at ease. | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
Because they have built their lives here and they now feel uncertain and | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
anxious. As we fight for their rights and against the rising racism | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
we must continue to show them love and understanding. We must also | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
understand, however, that there were only in Scots who voted to leave the | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
European Union. -- there were 1 million Scots. The Leave campaign | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
contained some of the worst dog whistle racism and xenophobia that I | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
have heard in my life. APPLAUSE | :31:26. | :31:33. | |
Dog whistles that prone to foghorns whenever Nigel Farage spoke or | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
unveiled a poster. That does not make every leave both a xenophobe or | :31:40. | :31:46. | |
right-winger. There are working class communities here in Edinburgh | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
and in Glasgow, just as there are in Sunderland and Sheffield, who feel | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
powerless and are angry at the establishment. I was at the Glasgow | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
count. I saw boxes in the First Minister 's own constituency split | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
50-50. Here in Edinburgh, in the seat I sought to represent, the | :32:09. | :32:17. | |
pro-communities in Madrid he wanted out, as they did in Sighthill and | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
elsewhere in the city. This is the result, even in Scotland is not as | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
straightforward as some have sought to pretend, and of us in this | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
Chamber have a duty to better understand that and to listen and to | :32:28. | :32:35. | |
Act upon what we hear. But we didn't vote in community 's, constituencies | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
towns and as nations, we voted as one country, the United Kingdom. A | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
country that we, as Scots, reaffirmed our commitment to just 18 | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
months ago. Millions of Scots want to be part of both unions. And that | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
is why it is so important that we give the First Minister a la support | :32:55. | :33:00. | |
to do everything she can to secure Scotland 's place in the European | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
Union -- our support. We will support the government efforts to do | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
the best it can to mitigate the worst of Brexit, but to strengthen | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
also Scotland 's ties with European neighbours and allies. The priority | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
must be securing jobs and the rights of workers. And all options for | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
protecting Scotland 's place in a single market must be explored, | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
including a federalised United Kingdom which could see both nations | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
of the UK who voted to remain retained their membership and | :33:31. | :33:37. | |
achieve associated status. The Labour Party stands ready to offer | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
assistance where they can to the government. But that support is not | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
unconditional. This Parliament will soon go into recess and not return | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
for two months. It used to be said week was a long time in politics. | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
One day in British politics just now feels like a lifetime. And in that | :33:55. | :34:01. | |
context, two months is an eternity. Our recall of Parliament cannot be | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
ruled out. The First Minister may leave this Chamber with the faith of | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
these benches to speak to Europe and the best interests of securing | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
Scotland 's future in the EU and the UK, but that faith can only be | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
maintained by regular communication and involvement and briefings from | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
government to opposition parties. A faith maintained by the continued | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
understanding that, as First Minister, she travels to Europe with | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
a duty to represent Scots that voted both yes and no, Scots that voted | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
both remain and leave. But that they would be betrayed if, at any point, | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
the First Minister tries to present our support for this motion as | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
support for a second independence referendum. And on that basis, we | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
cannot support the Tory amendment, because it removes support for the | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
government to speak to the EU institutions and member states | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
regarding Scotland 's future. The last line of the Tory motion also | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
says this. Believes that the challenges of leaving the EU are not | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
addressed by leaving the UK, Scotland 's own union of Nations, | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
biggest market and closest friends. So let me warn Miss Davidson that | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
she had better not dare to suggest that Labour's failure to back her | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
motion is somehow a failure to back the United Kingdom. And I struggle | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
to put into words that the anger that I feel towards her party at the | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
moment. And anger that has been building since David Cameron | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
announced in this post for English laws within minutes of the Scottish | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
independence referendum result. And anger that grew when her party set | :35:46. | :35:52. | |
Scottish voters against English voters in a hugely divisive and | :35:53. | :35:55. | |
disingenuous to thousands 15 campaign. Anger at a party that | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
forced this EU referendum on a country that did not want it, only | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
to resolve a contest in the Tory Party! | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
APPLAUSE And Tory campaign in last month 's | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
election that told the nation that all that mattered was whether he | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
wore a unionist or a Nationalist -- whether you wear red unionist and | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
Nationalist. That had no vision for Scotland and boiled down to just two | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
key messages. One, you can only trust the Tories to protect the | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
union. How is that going now, Ruth? And two, that the Tories would for a | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
strong opposition. And all that they stand opposed to today is giving the | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
First Minister some support to speak to EU institutions about our future. | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
The Tories up at the future of the United Kingdom in danger of every | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
kind, and it is I time they showed some responsibility for that. | :37:01. | :37:08. | |
APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, the priority of | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
these benches is to focus on jobs and the economy and make the best of | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
a very bad situation, and we will support the government tonight to do | :37:19. | :37:20. | |
just that. APPLAUSE | :37:21. | :37:33. | |
I called Patrick Harvie. I am grateful for the opportunity to | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
contribute to a debate which, like others, I wish we were not having to | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
have. I would like to thank the First Minister four for an advance | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
copy of her statement and I agree with the substance of it, and I | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
appreciate the tone in which it was made all stop can I also thank my | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
own colleagues in the Scottish Green Party you went out and campaign? | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
They were tired, they put their energy, like all party activists and | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
campaigners, their energy, time and money into an election campaign for | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
national elections just weeks previously, but they went out and | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
campaigned and, along with colleagues across the political | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
spectrum, they secured a strong a democratic mandate from the people | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
of Scotland, we are European and we are staying European. I want to | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
endorse the First Minister 's comments about immigration in | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
particular. And our respect for migrants who come here, you have | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
chosen to be part of our society, whether from the EU or from other | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
parts of the world, who are feeling excluded, feeling divided from our | :38:36. | :38:41. | |
society, as we speak. As a German citizen who spoke at a rally outside | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
Parliament make clear, the feeling of isolation, many people have been | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
forced to endure over recent weeks and months is unacceptable. There is | :38:49. | :38:57. | |
a Jedinak anger at -- legitimate Angharad years of political and | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
media pandering to racism and xenophobia that has taken place in | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
this country, and those who are responsible for that, those in | :39:04. | :39:11. | |
politics and in the media who have taken part in that there are a heavy | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
responsibility for the scenes that we have now seen. The far right and | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
racist tendencies which have been cultivated during this campaign and | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
given disturbing expression since the result, must be opposed. The | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
failure of the political mainstream, and I think Kezia Dugdale had a very | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
sound point on this, the failure of the political mainstream to build an | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
economy which works for the common good has left huge numbers of April | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
feeling angry and alienate it. Those feelings are justified. The Brexit | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
debate has channelled them into the politics of division and hatred, | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
both at home and risks giving momentum to far right and | :39:53. | :39:54. | |
anti-European movements elsewhere across Europe. Bolieve campaigns, | :39:55. | :40:02. | |
both of them, were Alty of far more explicitly cultivating this | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
reaction. But even remain side in my opinion fell significantly to give a | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
robust challenge to the notion that Eagle 's right to freedom movement | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
is somehow a burden to stop in truth it is a principle of huge | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
importance. And it is one which the Green Party will continue to defend. | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
We will certainly be supporting the government motion tonight and I want | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
to make it clear that we will continue to advocate for the clear | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
mandate that has been given by the people of Scotland, as advocated | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
also by many of our European colleagues in a number of different | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
political parties. I would like to thank those in the European Green | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
movement who have helped soften the language around an immediate | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
triggering of Article 50, which will give no time for the serious | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
consideration necessary or for the contribution that the Scottish | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
Government is expected to make on all of our behalf, to the | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
negotiation process. That process must be allowed time. All options as | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
well must remain on the table for achieving that. This is clearly a | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
unique situation that we are facing. Our path towards EU membership, if | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
it takes place, will also be unique and paired with any other part of | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
the EU membership that the country has taken and it may be that after | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
exploring all options, far more people than voted yes in 2040 make | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
include that independence is the only way to achieve it. -- in 2014. | :41:26. | :41:34. | |
We have a contrast. The clear assertion of Scotland 's mandate | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
with the utter chaos we see in the Leave camp and a fundamental | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
dishonesty in their campaign. How many times will be told that the | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
campaign was intended to "Take back control" stock take back control of | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
borders, money, however spurious figures were about money, and now | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
they are claiming that we can stay in a single market. There is no such | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
thing as a single market, if you don't have free movement of labour. | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
It is a fundamental aspect of the free market. It is also abundantly | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
clear that accessed that the market, that single market will also include | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
a financial contribution if it can even be negotiated. | :42:13. | :42:28. | |
This is that is something that needs to be challenged. I have no surprise | :42:29. | :42:36. | |
we ever heard of dishonesty, racism, from the likes of Boris Johnson, | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
Ukip and the right-wing media. We cannot allow that kind of rhetoric | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
or language to be part of the Scottish political landscape. I | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
would like to remind the chamber something Ruth Davidson said when we | :42:50. | :42:52. | |
were debating a different constitutional transition not so | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
very long ago, she said those opposing transition must have the | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
trust of the people to safeguard national security, the nation | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
state's economic security, and safeguard the nation state's | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
political security by establishing its place in the world through | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
membership of international organisations such as the European | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
Union. How is that going right now? The UK Government has demonstrated a | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
historic failure on all three counts, across people of this | :43:25. | :43:33. | |
country, Scotland and the wider United Kingdom. Ruth Davidson also | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
argues the 2014 results must be respected, just as much as this | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
year's referendum result. The 2014 result is fundamentally superseded. | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
I would remind the chamber of a comment from the better together | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
campaign, on the 2nd of September 2014, weeks before the referendum. | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
What is the process for removing our AEEU citizenship? Voting yes. -- our | :44:04. | :44:11. | |
AEEU citizenship? People voted on a false prospectus and promise that | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
membership of the European Union would be protected in those | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
circumstances, and it has not been. I have personally spoken to people, | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
strangers and friends across the political spectrum. I even have | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
friends who vote Tory, telling me they are ready to re-evaluate the no | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
vote they cast in 2014, May one has the right to close down that four | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
people in Scotland. Residing officer, the Greens will continue to | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
respect the mandate of voters in Scotland, given so clearly. It must | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
ensure that all options remain on the table, on that basis we will | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
certainly support the actions the First Minister has set out in | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
preparing the ground for a further independence referendum should it be | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
necessary and be the will of the people of Scotland. We will support | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
the right of the Scottish Government to enter into the negotiations, | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
while respecting the need for them to return and secure a Parliamentary | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
majority every step of the way. We will continue to express respect for | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
the people who have moved to Scotland, contributed to our | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
society, and continue to advocate, whatever solution that Scotland and | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
the rest of the UK seek, free movement of people remains a | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
fundamental principle. We will advocate for the human rights, the | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
social protection, the quality, the strong environmental protection, the | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
achievements hard-won which the European Union has helped to | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
achieve, and which are directly under threat by the decision so | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
recklessly taking a week ago. Thank you, presiding officer. I have | :45:52. | :46:07. | |
lost elections, I took my loss in Dunfermline in 2010 very hard and | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
very personally. No election defeat has made me feel like I felt in the | :46:14. | :46:21. | |
early hours of last Friday. A deep sense of loss. Loss of part of my | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
soul, and what I believe to be the sole of this country. Outward | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
looking, compassionate, tolerant, open, generous. These are the | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
attributes I associate with my country. A country that does not | :46:39. | :46:45. | |
walk on the other side of the road. But that is exactly what our country | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
did last Thursday. There are the practical benefits, too. Tackling | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
crime with a European arrest warrant, that is gone. Cooperation | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
on climate change, gone. Single market, gone. Improved social | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
conditions gone. All of these and so many others just gone. We are | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
already seeing the effect on the value of the pound, company shares, | :47:12. | :47:19. | |
and credit ratings. I am angry that we have been recklessly led down | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
this path. Angry that prices in shops will rise because of the | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
higher cost of imports. That people's savings are falling in | :47:30. | :47:36. | |
value. Job losses are on the cards. Yet it is not Boris Johnson who will | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
suffer. Michael Gove may lose some money, he has stacks more to get by. | :47:41. | :47:51. | |
Nigel Farage simply does not care. Ordinary people on low and modest | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
incomes who will lose. These are the victims of this crisis. I hope David | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
Cameron is feeling guilty. He should feel guilty for imposing the | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
divisions of his party on the country. That responsibility applies | :48:06. | :48:12. | |
to every single Conservative in this Parliament, including Ruth Davidson. | :48:13. | :48:20. | |
The economic chaos means the Tories can never again claim to be the | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
defenders of the economy. After the surge in the support for | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
independence at the weekend, nor can the Tories claimed to be the | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
defenders of the union. This economic and constitutional crisis. | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
Ruth Davidson is not defending the union, she is undermining it. No | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
Tory amendment can hide that roof. With every election loss, I have | :48:46. | :48:53. | |
lived to fight another day. I am here today because I got off my | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
knees to fight and win again. The United Kingdom's place in Europe | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
will live to fight another day, and I are determined to fight for it. My | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
party will contest the next general election on a clear platform of | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
supporting the United Kingdom's place in Europe. 7000 new members | :49:12. | :49:17. | |
have joined our party to campaign with us to win their case. I want | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
Scotland in the United Kingdom, and the United Kingdom in Europe. That | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
is the best possible option, I will not settle for anything less. We do | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
need to understand however YY million people in Scotland voted to | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
leave the European Union. -- Y 1 million people. It is of little | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
surprise if you have a minimum wage job, zero hours contract, a house | :49:47. | :49:54. | |
with damp, a car failing its MOT, you believe nothing is to lose. You | :49:55. | :50:02. | |
may believe a Conservative Prime Minister that tells you the the | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
status quo is good for you. The European Union did not supply those | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
conditions, but they were an easy target. David Cameron and generally | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
call them were unable to make a case for the European Union. The First | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
Minister knows I oppose another independence referendum, I made that | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
commitment during the election last month. Two-day's nation does not | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
endorse independence, the First Minister has made that clear, and in | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
additional words beyond her statement, it was provided to us | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
fairly, she said that was emphatically say. I welcome that, | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
that is a welcome remark. I welcome the First Minister reaching out to | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
other parties to engage in the negotiation process. I immediately | :50:53. | :50:58. | |
agreed on Friday to participate, as long as it was not a cunning plan to | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
deliver independence. I want to explore options, whether it is | :51:04. | :51:10. | |
bizarrely named reverse Greenland, working with London, Northern | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
Ireland or Gibraltar. We need to fully understand before we move | :51:16. | :51:21. | |
ahead, and rushing headlong into independence will undermine those | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
efforts. There is so much we simply do not know. Making decisions we do | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
not know should be one of the lessons from last week. In my | :51:32. | :51:39. | |
constituency of North East Fife, I have many thriving businesses. They | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
are thriving in part through the hard graft of workers from across | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
the continent, as well as those closer to home. Working together in | :51:51. | :51:57. | |
harmony. Fishes, laundry services, cattle producers, farmers, hotels, | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
restaurants in St Andrews and beyond. They work hard, making those | :52:03. | :52:07. | |
businesses successful. They have married, settle, paid taxes. They | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
are one of us. They will never stop being one of us. I know many who | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
will be offended by the decision last week. I want them to know that | :52:20. | :52:27. | |
we're standing with them today. We are determined to recapture the soul | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
of this country. Once again, so it is out the looking, compassionate, | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
tolerant, open and generous. Thank you. -- so it is once again outward | :52:38. | :52:48. | |
looking. Can I take members for not intervening on the opening statement | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
stop point of order. Mr Findlay. The decision last Thursday had issued | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
consequences for all our constituents and the country. By | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
Friday this Parliament will have had a grand total of three hours and a | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
limited number of speakers called to debate this issue. We will love hath | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
no opportunity to question the First Minister of the government, for | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
other parties to question leaders of my party and the other parties. Such | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
is the importance of this, I think this is an issue for Parliament, not | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
party political issues. We must be given more time for other people to | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
engage in this debate, this is of huge consequence. That is not a | :53:38. | :53:44. | |
point of order, a matter of consideration at the business bureau | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
this morning. The business managers gave this a great deal of thought. | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
Huge demand to speak and discuss the matter. To date is this the | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
beginning, not the end of the matter. The opportunity to put | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
questions to the First Minister on Thursday, in the meantime, two-day's | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
debate gives many members a chance to contribute. We moved to the | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
debate. June McAlpine. Thank you presiding officer. I'm | :54:11. | :54:20. | |
sure many members from across the chamber will have been shocked as I | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
was this morning, to hear Lord Forsyth, on the board of the League | :54:26. | :54:32. | |
campaign bullishly telling BBC Radio Scotland that there was no need for | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
a blueprint for Brexit, it was not for Leave to have a blueprint, it | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
was for the government. It betrays the arrogance and recklessness of | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
the Brexit campaign. It is almost that the UK Government, who called | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
the referee did not have a blueprint. Our future would now rest | :54:53. | :54:59. | |
in the hands of Oliver Letwin. The Parliamentary committee saw this | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
coming, they have an enquiry into the consequences of Brexit, | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
reporting early this year. Reading through the report is a common | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
theme, the failure of the UK Government to provide answers, and | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
the failure of the UK Government even to send the Minister to listen | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
to the committee's concerns. Not just the committee's concerns, the | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
concerns of the witnesses that came to that committee. Universities, | :55:24. | :55:29. | |
businesses, agricultural sector. Asking what would replace the money | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
that comes directly to Scotland from Brussels, if there was a Leave vote. | :55:35. | :55:41. | |
It is worth recounting those sums. EU students at Scottish universities | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
pump ?174 million into the Scottish economy every year. 88 million doses | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
fund Scottish research and universities. Scottish farmers got a | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
dungeon 24 million from the EU in 2014. The National Farmers' Union in | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
Scotland says for every ?1 of EU payments to Scotland, that puts ?4 | :56:03. | :56:10. | |
million into the river and economy. European structural funds in | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
Scotland from 2014, to 2020 is worth 929 million euros. Pain from | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
everything from roads to rural communities. Supporting broadband, | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
farm diversification. Money that comes Ju Reti from Europe as I said. | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
Time and time again, the report from the last Europe committee pointed | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
out it was not clear that the block grant would be adjusted to | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
compensate for the loss of the funds. That is before you consider | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
the losses incurred from losing access to the European market, or | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
our loss of European citizenship. More fundamentally the kind of | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
country we wish to live in. The kind of country that we want to live in, | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
open, welcoming to people from across Europe and other countries, | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
and quite the opposite of the terrible racism that others have | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
mentioned we saw character rising the league campaign. | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
While I do not speak as the new convener of the | :57:15. | :57:31. | |
Parliament 's offer from the First Minister to meet the committee at | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
the first opportunity. The government are now exploring how we | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
can work with others, including that you keep and EU is -- UK and EU | :57:41. | :57:47. | |
institutions to explore how Scotland can stay within the EU, even if | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
other parts of the UK, notably England, leaves. Senior political | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
figures in Europe have responded warmly. I was very pleased to hear | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
some of the comments from the debate in the Irish Parliament yesterday, | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
praising Scotland as an ancient European nation, one with its own | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
jurisdiction and one that was a very strong member and supporter of the | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
European ideal. I was pleased to hear Scotland 's farming Cabinet | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
Secretary Fergus Ewing say that his EU counterparts yesterday had been | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
very positive and sympathetic towards the predicament in which | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
Scotland finds itself. It is not impossible that such a compromise | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
could be reached. We have heard about the Denmark and Greenland | :58:37. | :58:42. | |
situation in the past. And European leaders are pragmatic in | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
circumstances when demanded, for example they rapidly absorbed East | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
Germany into the community after the bell and wall fell and the committee | :58:52. | :58:54. | |
of experts clearly had a vital role to play here, but we also need to be | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
practical. It is also likely that such an arrangement may prove | :59:01. | :59:06. | |
impossible to negotiate. And I noted that Sir David Edwards, who is going | :59:07. | :59:09. | |
to be a member of the standing committee, had expressed scepticism | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
about achieving this compromise. I know that he's linked to be a | :59:15. | :59:17. | |
witness to the committee on Thursday. I very look forward to | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
hearing what he has to say. I am concerned about the chances of | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
negotiating a compromise because much of it will require the | :59:28. | :59:29. | |
cooperation of a Westminster government which may soon be in the | :59:30. | :59:32. | |
grip of leadership even more right-wing than those that we | :59:33. | :59:44. | |
currently in Dewar. -- endure. Once the UK triggers the Brexit process | :59:45. | :59:49. | |
through section 50, it has just two years to do a deal, and unless the | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
Council of Europe agrees to extend the time which appears on likely | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
given recent statements coming out of the EU, then a guillotine will | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
fall under section 50 and the UK will be cut off with whatever deal | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
the EU decides to give it, and we cannot have Scotland similarly | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
marooned. If independence is then the only option remaining then we | :00:13. | :00:19. | |
have to have that independence referendum before the guillotine | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
falls, because if we vote yes, if we have a referendum after, after the | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
guillotine falls, and we vote yes, we would then have to renegotiate | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
our entry into the youth outside, which I am sure is something that | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
nobody wants. It is something that Kirsty Hughes, who is also going to | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
be a witness at the committee on Thursday, who is a member of friends | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
of Europe and the distinguished academic, subject, has written | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
extensively on. I look forward to hearing what she has to say. This is | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
not a headlong rush towards independence as Willie Rennie | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
suggested. It is a contingency measure in Scotland 's best | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
interests to put this legislation in place. It is an important | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
contingency measure. The priority now is to Act in the best interest | :01:07. | :01:13. | |
of all of the people of Scotland whatever their views on | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
independence, and I, for one, very much will back the support of other | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
countries across this Chamber -- parties across this Chamber because | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
it is important that we Act, as one, if all the people of Scotland, and | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
we will also always be led by the people of Scotland and their | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
interests, first and foremost. Adam Tomkins to be followed by Richard | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
Lockett. I said in my maiden speech in this Parliament, I wanted the | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
United Kingdom to remain in the EU. And like all members on these | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
benches to say that I am disappointed in last week 's result | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
is something of an understatement. My real reaction to the result could | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
not be translated into Parliamentary language. I have seen nothing since | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
Friday to make me think that I was wrong and I believe is the best | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
outcome for the public interest. In these remarks, I want to look to the | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
future, not hark back on a campaign lost. The people of the UK voted to | :02:11. | :02:17. | |
leave the EU. That much is clear. But only that much. Exactly what | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
leaving the EU now means is anything but clear. And there is not merely | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
an opportunity but an obligation for all of us to begin to flesh out | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
whether we wanted this outcome or not, what we think leave should now | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
mean. We're going to be entering into long negotiations with European | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
partners. And the first task is to identify exactly what it is that we | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
will be negotiating to achieve. The First Minister has said she wants to | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
preserve Scotland 's position in the European Union. Fine. But quite what | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
this means is also unclear. Scotland, of course, is not and | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
never has been one of the U member states, and about in Scotland last | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
week was to seek to preserve the UK 's status as a member state, not to | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
insist that Scotland becomes a new member state. The First Minister has | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
said she will appoint an expert advisory panel to look at what she | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
has described as all the options and by what Magnus and offer to assist | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
in any way that I can. So, what should leave mean? And what are the | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
options for Scotland? To my mind, leave should mean that we retain | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
full access to the EU 's single market. As I understand it, even | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
those small numbers of MSPs who advocated the leave vote are of the | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
view that we should maintain Aspel and access to the singer market as | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
possible. We may be, as has been remarked several since -- several | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
times since Friday, in uncharted territory. But there are still some | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
things we do know. Leaving the EU political institutions does not mean | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
that we have to leave its single market, because there are several | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
countries including Norway, a place that the SNP often likes to talk | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
about, who have just such an arrangement. What are the options | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
for Scotland was Akroum again, they are many. And our obligation now is | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
to put some flesh on the bones. Let me give an example. At the moment it | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
is out with the legislative competence of this Parliament to | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
enact law that is incompatible with EU law. We, as a Parliament could | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
perfectly easily maintained that rule after the UK ceases to be an EU | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
member state. We could pass an Act providing that all Scottish | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
legislation is to be read and given effect subject to EU law and we | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
could confirm in the Court of Session the jurisdiction to quash | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
any legislation that is incompatible with European law. All of this is | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
perfectly possible within our current legislative competence. | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
Presiding Officer, I make no pretence that the last two days have | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
been easy. We have lost a Prime Minister. There is volatility in the | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
markets and we face the prospect of difficult and protracted | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
negotiations. But one positive note struck in the past few days is the | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
point strongly made by the Prime Minister that in those negotiations, | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
the Scottish Government should play a leading role along with the | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
devolved administrations in Northern Ireland and Wales. As the Prime | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
Minister said, it is important, vital, that the interests of all | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
parts of the UK are representative effectively and properly in those | :05:28. | :05:34. | |
negotiations. Of those advocating Scottish independence at their | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
referendum in 2014, First Minister Alex Salmond said he would put | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
together an all-party team from Scotland to negotiate on behalf of | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
the nation. Likewise, now, the UK Government will put together an | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
inclusive team negotiate on behalf of all the nations, England, | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. This is as it should be. | :05:52. | :06:03. | |
... Now people want to see their politicians working together in the | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
best interests of the country. This is not where we wanted to be. Mike | :06:11. | :06:21. | |
rumbles. There is not a member in this Parliament more pro-UK than | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
myself. Would you not agree that when the First Minister said about | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
for this motion is not a vote for a referendum on independence, that we | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
should work together across the Chamber, we should all work together | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
and support the motion put forward by the government. I think we should | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
work together to help the United Kingdom negotiate what it means by | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
leave and to maintain and safeguard the interests of Scotland. I have | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
made that her thickly clear. What Scots now want to see -- perfectly | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
clear. Scots want to see politicians working together in the best | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
interests of this country. This is not where we wanted to be. This is | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
where we are. So let's try and make the best of it, together. Thank you. | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
APPLAUSE I call Richard Lockett to be | :07:15. | :07:25. | |
followed by Anas Sarwar. I spent the weekend attending constituency | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
events. Thousands of people attended those and everyone wants to talk | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
about the referendum. People go from those who voted remain and who voted | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
for leave as well, and they are now extremely anxious about the future | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
and their children's future and the future of Scotland. I have been | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
inundated with e-mails and letters over the last few days. A lady said | :07:45. | :07:52. | |
I have two daughters aged two and four, what kind of country are they | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
going to grow up in? I am truly fearful for the future. The one | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
thing everyone had in common was that they are keen for all | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
politicians in this Parliament in Scotland to show leadership in these | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
difficult times, especially given the vacuum at UK level that we are | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
witnessing. That is why the debate today is so important. We must deal | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
with what may turn out to be the biggest event so far in our | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
lifetimes and post-war Europe. There have been other seminal events since | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
post-war, the fall of the Berlin Wall which was about solidarity, | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
when Eastern European countries joined the Andrea Burk them with | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
open arms. The UK has now chosen isolation over Corporation and | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
damaged European unity. It is noted that the referendum result has been | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
welcomed by some of the most extremist voices across Europe. | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
People hoping to put forward extremist agendas based on | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
scapegoating minorities and others to blame for Europe 's current woes. | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
We must hope that the UK decision does not lead to a domino effect as | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
reverberations of Brexit are felt across the whole of Europe. By | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
working together in this Parliament civic Scotland, to secure our nation | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
's place in Europe we can send out a message of hope and optimism to its | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
peoples. A message that says Scotland once an outward looking, | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
modern, European country where we embrace rather than reject | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
differences, and we are not going to run away from Europe 's tough | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
challenges. I would urge all parties in this Chamber to focus on the | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
outcome that we all profess to want, which is to stay in Europe, in line | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
with the democratic wishes expressed by the people last Thursday. And | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
yes, we need time to consider all the options and consider the views | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
of all parties, and I hear suggestions that we can remain part | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
of the UK which is out of Europe last week and other parts of the UK | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
remain in the EU, and I am looking forward to hearing the details of | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
how that could work in practice and not lead to political and democratic | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
messiness of blank cheques for constitutional and commercial | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
lawyers for the rest of time. But the Parliament must be careful to | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
listen to all views, in Parliament and out Parliament. The Minister is | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
absolutely correct to say that a second independence referendum must | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
be on the table. Many people who voted no in 2014 are now seeing, | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
enough is enough to stop the reference point in the independence | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
that they'd have been radically altered. Many no voters are saying | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
that if it was a choice between remaining in an isolated UK out of | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
Europe whilst we've voted to remain -- wasabi voted remain, or to be | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
governed by Conservatives did not vote for either, then we will vote | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
differently next time, and they deserve a voice. Could you perhaps | :10:45. | :10:53. | |
explain why, if this motion which you are supporting and debating | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
today, you are now the second back and chest in the Speaker and two out | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
of two have moved on to independence and a second referendum. That is | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
where the concern is from these benches when a large majority in | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
your constituency are not supporting this motion. It would be couple of | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
the Conservatives rallied round with one party in this Gibran put the | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
Scottish interest first and not the UK. | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
APPLAUSE In doing so, can I say that we | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
cannot ignore the 30% of Scots who voted to leave but many had genuine | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
concerns that need to be addressed. Europe is evolving and we need a | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
vision of the kind of Europe we want Scotland to be part of. If we | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
support a reform agenda we have to say what that is and we have to | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
articulate it. The next two years will be momentous | :11:46. | :11:53. | |
and decide the long-term for you chuck of Scotland. There are other | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
steps we can now take to protect the interests of Scotland. Between now | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
and Brexit many decisions are going to be taken in the EU that will | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
impact our economy and communities. In this new environment I do not | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
believe the UK is able to look after the interest of Scotland sub it is | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
important that Scotland should formally request that our ministers | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
from this government lead the UK delegations to those formal and | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
informal councils of ministers meetings that will take place in | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
Brussels and Luxembourg in the next two years where the genders are of | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
relevance to the national interest of this country. Whether it is | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
negotiating fish quotas or environmental policy relationships | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
matter and attitude matters and commitment matters and goodwill on | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
both sides of the table is absolutely essential. Negotiators | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
want to know you will be serious and in it for the long term but we are | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
now in the situation where the UK is walking away. There is no incentive | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
on either side to bank negotiating capital for the future, but we do | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
know there is goodwill towards Scotland and Europe, goodwill from | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
member states and institutions, as we saw today in response to the | :13:08. | :13:15. | |
speech from Allan Smith today. Scotland wants to participate and | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
act in the long-term interest of our own priorities and Europe. Between | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
now and Brexit Scottish ministers should be given the opportunity to | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
lead for Europe in the UK. Finally before I close it would be an idea | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
for the EU to postpone the UK presidency slot in 2017 that will be | :13:33. | :13:42. | |
unable to beef fulfilled and that should be left open in case Scotland | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
become a member state. That position should also be offered to Scotland | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
or indeed Northern Ireland. Everyone please support this motion today | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
that is unprecedented in anxious times. All parties should put | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
Scotland's national interests before their own on this very special | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
occasion and during these difficult and anxious times for Scotland. I | :14:06. | :14:17. | |
voted remain on Thursday because I believed it was in the best interest | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
of Scotland in the UK to do so. I felt a huge sadness to see the | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
results as they came in and the biggest reason was that we have lost | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
the opportunity to stop talking about constitutional politics and | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
instead focus on the matters of issues right here and right now. | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
Many of them are issues of life and death. Today's debate comes as new | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
figures show that the expected standard on cancer treatment has now | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
not been met for over three years. Let us not underestimate what | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
happened on Thursday. This is a seismic event for the UK and the EU. | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
There are millions of people across the United Kingdom who are deeply | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
disappointed with the result in anxious about the consequences. | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
Consequences dominated by the reaction and volatility in the | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
markets. Let's be clear what the markets means. It is people's jobs, | :15:14. | :15:20. | |
wages, mortgages and pensions. Our immediate priority must be to | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
encourage calm heads and to protect individuals and businesses who may | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
be affected by the volatility. This is not the time to think about | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
short-term political interests, because what facing as a nation is | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
much bigger than that. There is no doubt that the United Kingdom is at | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
the start of an economic crisis overlaid by a constitutional crisis. | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
That is why Scotland must play a full part in the process going | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
forward. Indeed I believe the First Minister has a duty to engage in all | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
talks and negotiations because rightly all options should remain | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
open. That is why there must be a formal structure that allows all of | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
the talents and peoples of the nations and regions, including | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and London, to be an equal part of | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
the negotiation process so we can get the best deal possible for all | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
parts of the United Kingdom. This structure should also have a remit | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
to discuss and decide with significant powers being repatriated | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
to the UK, where they should reside, it includes significant powers on | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
fishing and farming that are crucial to the Scottish economy. I believe | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
it is premature to talk about the timing of any future independence | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
referendum, especially as we don't yet even know what the terms of the | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
UK leaving the EU will be, or, indeed, what the terms of Scotland | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
leaving the UK to join the EU would be, if that is even the case. The | :16:56. | :17:04. | |
market volatility that we have seen in the last few days shows that | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
asking people to make a decision without fully considering the | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
consequences have implications that are dangerous for jobs, wages, | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
mortgages and pensions. I welcome the tone that the First Minister has | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
adopted since Thursday. She is right to say that we are in uncharted | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
territory and I hope that that is a tone that continues in the weeks and | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
months ahead. The First Minister is right to ask questions about the | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
impact on the single market, on free movement, our currency and our | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
international relationships going forward. We do need clarity on what | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
the new arrangements will mean for the ?11.6 billion of trade that | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
Scotland does with the EU, but we will also need clarity on what any | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
new arrangements would mean for the ?48.5 billion of trade Scotland does | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
with the rest of the United Kingdom. The First Minister is right that we | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
need to see what the new arrangements will need for the tens | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
of thousands of EU nationals living, studying and working in Scotland, | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
and for the 135,000 Scots working in Europe, but we will also need | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
clarity on what any new arrangements would mean further more than 500,000 | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
Scots living, working and studying in other parts of the United | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
Kingdom. There are many unanswered questions. What would be the details | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
of any deals for Scotland? What terms with the UK sector with the | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
EU? What will be the status of the new relationship? How much access to | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
EU markets will we retain or lose? Will the people of Scotland have | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
their opportunity to have a say on any we negotiated terms on | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
membership and crucially what guarantees would we have before any | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
proposed vote on independence? The First Minister always makes the | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
point that the UK is not the same now as it was in 2014, but I put it | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
to this parliament that the EU may not be the same in two years as it | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
is now. Let us not have some romantic view of the politics on | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
mainland Europe. I bitterly oppose the right-wing politics of Boris | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
Johnson and Michael Gove, but be in no doubt, they are made to look like | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
moderates compared to Marie Le Pen of the French National party who | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
could be president next year, or the rise of the far right party in | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
Germany and Perdido Hooper are -- plan violent processes across | :19:29. | :19:36. | |
Europe. The Slovakian Prime Minister said, multiculturalism is fix, is | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
lamp as no place in Slovakia. This man may take over the rotating | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
presidency in the coming weeks. There are many other mainstream and | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
populist parties amongst them, climate change deniers comic | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
anti-Semites and Islamophobe 's. Since Thursday we have seen an | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
increase in hate crimes. In Glasgow neo-Nazi stickers have gone up, | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
claiming white zones. We should send a strong message to all minorities | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
that are here, that this is your home, and we stand with you in peace | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
and unity and to the spreaders of hate we say it directly, it is not | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
our minorities that are not welcome here, but you and your hateful views | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
that are not welcome in Scotland and the United Kingdom. So, to conclude, | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
there is much uncertainty over the coming months. We do not know what | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
the negotiations will throw up so when the First Minister says that | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
everything is on the table I really hope that she means it. We need to | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
wait and see what the outcomes are of the negotiations, so we can make | :20:43. | :20:52. | |
clear and reasoned decisions. That is why we need to have cool heads, | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
to ensure we make decisions not with anger but with reason. Members are | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
starting to allow their speeches to drift over time so could I ask you | :21:01. | :21:09. | |
to have the about that. We face in Brexit something I thought we would | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
never have 2-Face. Only a few weeks ago I said that the leave campaign | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
seemed to have taken leave of their senses, threatening systematic cuts | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
to the Scotland Budget and a reversal of the gains of definition | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
in the event of that breaks and now we're hearing those calls. This sort | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
of rhetoric from a key vote leave spokesman has shown that campaign in | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
its true colours, hostile to the Scottish parliament, the consensus | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
on this place in Holyrood and our voters, who voted overwhelmingly in | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
favour of remaining within the European Union. We also hear that | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
Theresa May, a potential candidate to be Prime Minister of this United | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
Kingdom, we hear her say that we need to get out of the European | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
Convention of human rights and it is to those rights that I will | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
concentrate on today. Robert Burns wrote a while your's eyes are fixed | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
on mighty things, them empires and fall of Kings... Amid this mighty | :22:08. | :22:16. | |
fuss just let me mention the rights of women merit some attention. That | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
poem was written about the time of the French Revolution with Europe in | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
turmoil and war just around the corner at every turn. As that | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
continued and popular reform societies abdicated Parliamentary | :22:30. | :22:38. | |
reform there was the fear of the spread of revolutionary ideology on | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
our home territory. How familiar that is today. In 1793 radical was | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
arrested and transported and two said later we do not, we cannot | :22:47. | :22:54. | |
consider ourselves as mode and melted down into another country. | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
Have we not distinct courts, judges, juries, laws. Absolutely. He had | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
been the architect of a new reform Society in Scotland and opted to | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
reform club is unlimited to social class, that wasn't the case | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
elsewhere. That brings us to what lies at the heart of this current EU | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
debate, nationhood, citizen Hood, this is sovereignty and the rights | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
of every man and woman. The fates of empires. Governments ignoring the | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
will of people will face the dire consequences of it. We do not seek | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
resolution or revolution, as described, we seek enlightenment, | :23:46. | :23:54. | |
sisterhood. When Thomas Paine was lauded for his rights of mine, the | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
rights we cherish so much not to be toyed with by any government. I am a | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
is true supporter of the European Convention on human rights Apple | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
fight for it every step of the way and I believe that we can reform the | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
European Union and we know that because we have done it before. | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
Professor Neil McCormick was an architect of -- architect of that | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
reform of the almost pushed Europe to a constitution enshrining our | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
fundamental rights. There we are, back to those rights that are so | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
important. His work pushed forward that agenda towards the Lisbon | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
Treaty and without his early work we would not have that treaty so | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
another Scotsman who took up the cause, protecting and extending our | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
fundamental human rights as EU citizens. Article 18 of the Treaty | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
on the function of the European Union provides that no citizen shall | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
be discriminated against on the basis of nationality. The citizens | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
of member states also have employment rights that derive from | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
EU registration and -- legislation and EU treaties have enshrined | :25:01. | :25:04. | |
principals promoting non-discrimination on areas of sex, | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
race and ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age or sexual | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
orientation. As a result the EU has developed comprehensive legislation | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
in the area of non-discrimination and equality. It began with sex | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
discrimination in employment and has been extended. The people of | :25:24. | :25:34. | |
Scotland through due democratic process reaffirmed its belief in and | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
support of that European Union and I think it only right that this | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
government be supported by our Parliament to realise the demands | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
placed on it by us, the people and our voters. Stated articles are open | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
to European states that respect common values such as human dignity, | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
rights and member states also declare that these things prevail in | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
their societies. These are things I am happy to pin my name to. There | :26:15. | :26:24. | |
are names that every Scottish man and woman ought to know. If you are | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
called for jury service, when your name is drawn by Lott and you vote | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
in an election and you freely voice your thought, don't take these | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
things for granted because dearly they were fought. It is with these | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
rights in mind that I support this motion by our government today and I | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
ask them to devote themselves to the cause of the people. It is a good | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
cause and it shall ultimately prevail and it shall finally | :26:51. | :26:51. | |
triumph. Oliver on Delta be followed by | :26:52. | :27:06. | |
Jackie Baillie. -- Oliver Mondale to be followed by. It is easy to think | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
that this tells a single story, it does not. It tells 33,000,500 | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
individual stories with people of all backgrounds from all corners of | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
our United Kingdom and from different political persuasions | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
coming together in the largest exercise in democracy are islands | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
have ever seen. People voted lead, and they voted remain, for a | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
multitude of different reasons. And rightly so. This was a complicated | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
decision with many competing and in some cases mutually incompatible | :27:44. | :27:53. | |
outcomes. It is context we must now look at the overall result in | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
Scotland which is just one dimensional flat. Rather than jump | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
to hasty conclusions as the First Minister has done, we must take time | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
to digestive backpack and reflect on what this result means for people | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
here in Scotland and elsewhere across our United Kingdom. In the | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
long run, people will not look kindly on political posturing or | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
idle speculation. And now more than ever we have a responsibility to | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
pull together and knuckle down to the task in hand. I have no time and | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
we are keeping strictly to time. It is in that spirit I would ask all | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
those who voted to remain to find themselves questioning the | :28:35. | :28:35. | |
democratic process, to reflect on the fact that 19,005 and meeting | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
people in my own dump the ship constituency voted to leave the | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
European Union. -- my dump Fischer constituency, a higher number than | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
voted for me as their MSP. Across Scotland, over 1 million voters put | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
the cross next to leave, a larger number than to put their cross next | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
to Nicola Sturgeon for First Minister, and just short of the | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
total number who voted for the SNP in the constituency ballot. Whilst | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
this is far short of a majority of Scots, it was by no means small or | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
insignificant number of people and, of course, whilst the result was | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
decisive in Scotland- wide context, we must recognise there were | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
significant variation within Scotland with 49.9% voting leave in | :29:26. | :29:34. | |
Moray compared to 25% in Edinburgh. I know that that might seem of | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
little consequence to the many who feel angry, as if their boys was not | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
hurt, but it is important to remember that the viewer a of the | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
majority is seldom universal in a democracy, no matter how you choose | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
to look at the numbers and whilst I understand that it First Minister | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
and for that matter many decent and fair minded people did not agree | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
with the result, it remains the UK- wide result and we must all respect | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
that outcome. Just as those across the rest of the United Kingdom | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
accepted the possibility at the start of the campaign that Scotland | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
might have helped together deliver a remain result. Now is not the time | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
to rake over the campaign or dwell on the result because we are where | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
we are. Instead, we owe it to people to start considering where we go | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
next. The truth is, this debate is not about the result. Nor, sadly, | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
does it even seemed to be about what is best for the people of Scotland. | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
Instead, it is again forced many SNP about one thing and one thing only, | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
independence. Since by the morning we have seen once and for all that | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
behind the seemingly good intentions lies a deliberate malice. If they | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
were serious about building consensus and negotiating in good | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
faith then they would have taken a second referendum of the table. And | :30:55. | :31:02. | |
all we have seen is what started as a statesman-like approach rapidly | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
descend into self interest. And whilst I acknowledge that events | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
have been moving very quickly, the First Minister has fast become like | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
a runaway train, defaulting back to her all-too-familiar mantra of | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
independence at any cost. And while others have taken steps to steady | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
the ship with leading Leave campaigners supporting Adelaide to | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
the article that the process, allowing time for the best approach | :31:31. | :31:36. | |
and a consensus to be reached, the First Minister has sought to amplify | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
division. In doing so, she not only does a disservice to leave voters | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
like me, but far more disgracefully, the First Minister is letting down | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
those who voted to remain by potentially undermining what could | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
yet prove to be a better deal for access to the single market for | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
Scotland than could hope for as an independent nation. For a start, | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
that would be one that allowed us to use the pound rather than the euro. | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
The truth is, this debate is a red herring and India motion that | :32:06. | :32:07. | |
followed the result it is easy to overlook the fact that Nicola | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
Sturgeon wanted independence no matter what, that before this | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
campaign started she abandoned her once-in-a-lifetime pledge almost as | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
quickly as it left her lips. That is why, in or out of Europe, we must | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
never allow ourselves to forget that the SNP exist for one purpose and | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
one purpose only, to break up our United Kingdom. For me, like many | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
fellow Scots, in good times and in bad, it is always that primary union | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
between are family of nations that will come first. Even in adversity, | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
and even ended his appointment and anger that many feel, there is a | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
greater good, something far more important to our future prosperity | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
than our European Union membership, and now it is time to fight for | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
that, and to work together in good faith to secure the best deal for | :33:00. | :33:07. | |
Scotland. Thank you. Jackie Baillie to be followed by Michael Russell. | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
Like many in this Chamber and across the country I was but a leaders | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
appointed that the result of the European Union referendum. It felt | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
akin to a bereavement when the results were being declared across | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
the country. I am greatly in respect of democracy, but I was horrified to | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
see Nigel Farage celebrating his result on Friday morning. This man | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
was the face of Britain that was reflected to the world. And I reject | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
everything he stands for, and he certainly does not speak for me. | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
What is clear is that David Cameron gambled with our future. He couldn't | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
control the Eurosceptics in the Tory Party, so he gambled on a referendum | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
and he lost, but we are all the losers for that. He will shortly be | :33:56. | :34:03. | |
out of office. We will, in time, potentially be out of the European | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
Union, and the price for the country in Scotland and across the UK may | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
well be very high indeed. People tell me that this was an | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
antiestablishment vote. And that is maybe so. And we need to understand | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
the reasons why people voted in the way they did. But let's not pretend | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
that Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are anything but the | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
establishment. They went into this referendum not expecting victory. | :34:31. | :34:37. | |
Without a plan for what they would do, leaving the country in | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
continuing uncertainty. And I bore the approach of the Leave campaign, | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
cynically in what they said and had promised to increase funding to the | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
NHS, which they denied within indeed less than 12 hours of the close of | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
walls. I agree wholeheartedly with the First Minister 's sentiment and | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
that of others, that people from Europe and across the world are | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
welcome in Scotland. But I am disappointed by the result. And | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
angry by the nature of the campaign. But there is a need now for | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
stability and cool heads. Our responsibility is to assess the | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
impact and take action where it is right to do so. And, in addition to | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
the representation is being made across Europe, I believe our | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
immediate priority as well must be action to protect the economy and | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
jobs. I would be pleased to hear what the Scottish Government will do | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
in that regard, in tandem with the representations they are making | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
elsewhere. Before Brexit became a reality, the Fraser of Alhadur | :35:44. | :35:45. | |
Institute said we were flirting with a recession in Scotland. Growth was | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
slowing, we underperformed relative to the UK, and we were facing | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
stagnation in the economy. I regret that that prospect, with many | :35:54. | :36:00. | |
economists think it is more likely now across Scotland and the UK. We | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
have seen a sharp decline in the stock market wiping billions from | :36:06. | :36:07. | |
share prices, and the falling pound against the dollar and the euro. And | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
whilst I am sure that we all hope that this stabilises quickly, it | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
makes a practical focus on the economy essential. Currently we | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
exported mostly to the rest of the UK followed closely by the rest of | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
Europe. The government 's and statistics for 2014 showed that 42% | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
of all international exports would Western for the EU at the value of | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
some ?11.6 billion. One in every ?6 in our business economy is generated | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
by companies based in the rest of Europe. So this matters to our | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
economic well-being. Businesses do adapt to changing circumstances. But | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
these changes are often most keenly felt by those who work for them, and | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
in lessening job opportunities. We are hearing anecdotal evidence of | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
changes to investment plans, companies paid in dollars seeing an | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
immediate loss because of the exchange rate and one man and now of | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
was about to start an engineering job in Europe, and he has now been | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
told to stay at home, because they had no idea if they are going to | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
recruiter that job any more. And what about right on it product, | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
Scotch Whisky? Likes of much of the food and drinks sector representing | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
an increasing contribution to the GDP, a substantial exported to | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
Europe accounting for thousands of jobs. It is that impact on the | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
people we serve that we must focus our attention on. There are views on | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
mortgages, pensions. All of these may be affected. Let me zoom in on a | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
couple points. It is about the impact on people that we need to | :37:45. | :37:52. | |
look at. On a second referendum, I acknowledge and welcome be the | :37:53. | :37:54. | |
assurance given by the First Minister that this is not her | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
starting point. Let me say as respectfully as I can, I listened to | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
Fergus Ewing with great attention this morning on GMS and he suggested | :38:03. | :38:10. | |
independence was the only answer. I had the government not to face both | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
ways on this. Let me say, just as Nicola Sturgeon said, that the UK, I | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
am in my final minute, that the UK had changed. Well, so will the | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
new... We have a point of order, Miss Bailey. Miss Bailey said that | :38:27. | :38:33. | |
she refused to take my point of order. That is not the point of | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
order. It is up to the Speaker who she allows to intervene. No, Mr | :38:38. | :38:43. | |
Ewing, that was not a point of order. Miss Bailey is currently | :38:44. | :38:52. | |
making her contribution. I hope added time will reflect the | :38:53. | :38:54. | |
intervention I have add. Nicola Sturgeon said that the UK had | :38:55. | :39:01. | |
changed, but so will the EU, so it is imperative that, should we be | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
faced with another independence referendum, that clear, detailed | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
terms of joining Europe will be set out in advance, because if we join | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
the euro, we will need to decrease public debt. That means cutting | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
public spending. What implications will that have for our services? I | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
want to remain in Europe. I am a committed European. But we must | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
approach this with our eyes wide open and take time to consider what | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
we should do. At the moment it is a constantly changing landscape. We | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
don't know what will happen. The First Minister is intent on bringing | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
forward another independence referendum to this country, then she | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
must spell out in detail what the terms of that engagement with Europe | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
will be, and nothing less will do. Presiding Officer, let me finish by | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
welcoming the First Minister 's comments about working together. We | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
should be working together across the UK, people in Northern Ireland, | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
London, Manchester and other areas beside. They will feel the economic | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
consequences of this, so let's not stand alone in our negotiations with | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
Europe. Michael Russell to be followed by Elaine Smith. I want to | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
address two issues, the impact of the decision last Thursday on this | :40:21. | :40:22. | |
Parliament in terms of Scotland and its budget and finances and process. | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
And what I think is the existential choice that Scotland now faces. | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
Firstly, on the issue of budget, it is obvious that in our present state | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
of partial dependence, budget decisions made south of the border | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
impact directly on what we have to spend and on our timescale of | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
scrutiny. We are clearly dependent in block grant and taxation on the | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
overall health of the UK economy. Huge insecurity has been created not | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
only by the vote last week but by the political paralysis that has | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
followed it. George Osborne, the author of the disastrous revenge | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
budget idea, is now the author of the equally damaging no budget idea. | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
The Autumn Statement will follow a challenge in Tory leadership and a | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
changing Minister. It might be subordinated a snap general | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
election. Although these factors create considerable uncertainty in | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
Scotland, where the draft budget is due according to the existing | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
timetable to be published by 20 of September. | :41:23. | :41:31. | |
Anyone in London will have two clarify this matter. We will need to | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
make decisions in Scotland on how we move ahead. It may not be the time | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
for a spending review. Must -- much discussion on this is required and | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
tomorrow the finance committee will have an opportunity to discuss this | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
with the finance minister, a rather unusual first evidence session for | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
both. Finance issues lie within the overall context of political issues | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
and it has been and is an extraordinary political tide. The | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
First Minister is aptly be correct that her leadership has been | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
inspirational in this last weekend. The key issue is to retain our | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
membership of the EU and that is our objective and it is right that we | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
start that process today with a clear instruction to the Scottish | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
Government to explore every possibility and consider every route | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
there may be. What is not in doubt is the objective must be achieved. | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
It must be achieved because only by doing so can we retain, each one of | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
us retain our European citizenship which amongst other things | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
guarantees free movement, protect us in the workplace, enhances and | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
conserves the environment in which we live and welcomes diversity and | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
difference within a tolerant hole, whilst allowing us to participate in | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
the structures of the union as equals, individually and | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
collectively. I have the opportunity to ask the First Minister, as chair | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
of the finance committee, is it his view that should be Scotland leave | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
the EU and have to rejoin at a later date, that it would be subject to | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
joining the euro and be tied by a 3% deficit? I am not speaking in my | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
capacity as chair of the finance committee but as my capacity about | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
someone who knows anything about politics would no that is a silly | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
question because there is no such requirement. Let me deal with | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
realities. The touchstone for me is European citizenship. I don't want | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
to give that up in Scotland did not consent to give that up for anyone | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
who lives here. European citizenship is an addition not a substitution, | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
we enjoyed in addition to our UK citizenship. We are presently | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
Scottish, British and European but now we are being forced to give one | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
of those up and that is truly an existential choice and it goes to | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
the heart of who we are and who we will be. We are being forced to | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
decide if we are British or European and we are being told we cannot be | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
both. I was born in England and I have many family and friends there, | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
what Chesterton called the plain people of England, a good, noble | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
outgoing and generous and they have been failed by their leaders and | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
they are still being failed. That is a tragedy. The First Minister is | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
right to say that the country that Scotland chose to remain in two | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
years ago no longer exists and it is the people of England to see that | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
most clearly now. They ended it with their vote last week. They must find | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
a way forward from that and I hope they can find a better way forward | :44:37. | :44:40. | |
but accepting that failure and its consequences is Scotland -- | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
something Scotland cannot and must not do. We must look up to see a | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
vision of corporation and engagement, the daughter which as | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
was said yesterday is opening, festival for discussion. In 1850 in | :44:54. | :45:01. | |
the House of Commons during a difficult of their Palmerston talked | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
about his objective in foreign policy. His objective was this, to | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
ensure that the British subject in whatever land he may be shall feel | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
confident that the watchful eye and the strong arm of England will | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
protect him against injustice and wrong. That is the choice now for | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
us. Should we do as we are told and rely once again on the watchful eye | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
on the strong arm of England to protect us? Have we grown out of | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
that? Given that the eye and the arm are withered beyond recognition. | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
Would it not be more in keeping with the times to see collaboration, | :45:37. | :45:38. | |
Corporation and an open outlook to the world, and if that is so, where | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
do we get those? Only in our membership of the EU. That is the | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
existential choice and we are being forced to make it. Finally let me go | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
very close to home. On Friday I was on the island of mile and yesterday | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
I was in mid Argyll where there is genuine apprehension and fear about | :46:00. | :46:02. | |
the consequences of what is taking place. Talk of job losses and | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
companies retrenchment. Concern about investment, public and private | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
and worry about funds and loans and an acknowledgement of how much comes | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
from Europe and still comes to support rural areas. Something more. | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
Centuries of engagement have made us European. We were European before we | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
were British, sending students to the continent, Sherry citizenship | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
with France, appealing our very nationhood. In war and in peace we | :46:33. | :46:40. | |
look to Europe and they look to us. In the words of Voltaire, for our | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
very idea of civilisation. Our existential choices being made not | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
because of this referendum but because of our history. Its inherent | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
in who we are. We cannot be anyone else. We are European and citizens | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
of Europe and that is what we have chosen to remain at what we must | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
remain, no matter how and no matter what it takes. As one of only a few | :47:02. | :47:14. | |
MSPs who put a case for leave, though not part of any official | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
campaign I feel I must contribute to the debate today, after all nearly | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
40% of those who use their vote actually boated Leave and they were | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
spread across all parties and that effectively means that this | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
parliament did not affect that in the contributions prior to the vote | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
and while I appreciate that members will have their personal views or | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
party line, I would have thought that this kind of vote by the public | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
should have been more reflected in this chamber so they need a voice | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
today. I spoke to a great many people and I listen to the arguments | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
for Remain including the compelling ones being made by Jeremy Corbyn and | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
I studied the left-wing case for Leave and one reason I felt | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
compelled to contribute to the previous debate was that I believe | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
the opinions of those who were voting Leave for democracy, workers' | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
rights and stopping privatisation of public services and they deserved | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
expression in this chamber. The 1 million voters in Scotland who chose | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
Leave did so in the sure knowledge that this referendum was right | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
across the UK and every single vote counted on its own | :48:17. | :48:29. | |
merit, whether you were in Blackpool or Belfast, Cardiff or Coatbridge, | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
London or Lossiemouth. There was no question that regional country | :48:33. | :48:34. | |
results would be treated differently to the overall results. We had a | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
democratic vote here in 2014 with an unprecedented turnout that means we | :48:38. | :48:40. | |
are part of the UK and that was only a Scottish boat but the democracy of | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
that is being set aside. This referendum vote was conducted right | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
across the UK and over 1 million voters in Scotland who chose Leave | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
deserved reputation and they don't deserve to be disenfranchised. With | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
regard to Remain voters it is clear it was a UK wide vote based on the | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
UK's relationship with the EU so in terms of the motion I cannot vote to | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
welcome the overwhelming vote of the people of Scotland to bow to Remain | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
since I voted Leave and the overall premise is flawed. The ballot paper | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
did not ask if you wanted Scotland to remain in the EU and there was an | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
majority of people here who voted for the UK to remain. There was a | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
degree of ambivalence as Scotland have the second lowest turnout from | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
across the UK. Just over 1 million people in Scotland voted for the UK | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
to leave the EU and they did so with little support for their view in | :49:37. | :49:38. | |
this Parliament, indeed all parties and leaders were pushing very hard | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
for Remain. Furthermore those voters contributed substantially to the end | :49:46. | :49:51. | |
you the outcome of a Leave vote. If they had all voted for Remain then | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
the outcome would have been very different so Scotland certainly | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
contributed to the overall result. In some areas the boat was tight and | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
maybe that is due to things like a controversial Common fisheries | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
policy that has contributed to the demise of our fishing industry. | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
These kind of failures in EU policy might be just one of the reasons | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
that some people across the country chose to vote Leave and to say that | :50:14. | :50:22. | |
much of the result in this referendum was predicated on the | :50:23. | :50:24. | |
xenophobic intolerance is a wee bit simplistic. However there is no | :50:25. | :50:26. | |
doubt that Ukip exploiting such sentiments where they do exist, for | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
their own ends and the disgraceful and now infamous poster now put out | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
by Nigel Farage and Ukip certainly had a hand in changing the minds of | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
some socialists who had been inclined to vote Leave. I agree with | :50:39. | :50:47. | |
the sentiment and the motion that the EU citizens living here are | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
welcomed a contribution ballot and that is important to send out but if | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
anyone implies that all voters were xenophobic racist then that would be | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
outrageous and I hope most members in this chamber do not believe it or | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
ever impolite. Many of the working-class thing communities in | :51:03. | :51:09. | |
south-east Wales and North Scotland voted Leave as an expression of | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
disconnect with the whole political elite. In south Wales the threat of | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
4000 jobs being lost at Port Talbot as a direct result of EU stated | :51:19. | :51:20. | |
rules blocking more government support could have influenced the | :51:21. | :51:27. | |
results. I want is down with steelworkers workers the EU stance | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
on competition policy has meant that national governments face a backlash | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
of legal action if they attempt to nationalising industry. Think about | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
this, not being subject to competition policy and legal | :51:40. | :51:42. | |
challenge would mean that our Scottish Government could easily | :51:43. | :51:45. | |
nationalise industries like steel if they wished and they wouldn't have | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
too returned to Cal Mac in future. What we should be focusing on are | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
the important issues of stopping austerity, protecting workers' | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
rights and jobs and the First Minister should be entering her | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
discussions within the UK and out with bearing in mind that she | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
represents all the citizens of Scotland, those who | :52:04. | :52:17. | |
voted to remain, those who voted to leave and those who didn't vote, and | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
I do note her earlier comments on that. At this time she can't lose | :52:22. | :52:23. | |
sight of domestic issues like teachers, industrial action, RMT | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
strike, the NHS. The EU is not Europe, it's a political construct | :52:27. | :52:27. | |
that undermines elected national governments and it eliminates | :52:28. | :52:29. | |
democracy and it is primarily a trade agreement. In the words of | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
Tony Benn on how the EU is developing, it was very obvious that | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
what they had in mind was not democratic. I am in favour of | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
democracy, well so am I. We should all now respect the democratic | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
mandate from the UK electorate which included the 1 million Scottish | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
Leave voters. The citizens of the UK through the ballot box has given | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
directive of change through the EU project which has clearly failed | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
many of them. Many of them see it as a victory of people against profit | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
and the powerless against the powerful and we need to make it work | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
for them. John Foster had a view of leaving the EU, a renewed democracy, | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
restored welfare state, public control of the economy, our vision | :53:10. | :53:17. | |
to combat racism, cynicism and division and unite all working | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
people and that is my vision. We need to make this work for working | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
people and that is the most important aim, and that is with the | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
UK Socialist Labour government fight against austerity government and | :53:31. | :53:33. | |
attacks on wages and workers' rights. | :53:34. | :53:45. | |
Before I start I just want to say that I know Oliver is a new MSP but | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
he is an MSP. You are here to represent the people of Scotland, | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
not the UK Government. The people of Scotland spoke quite clearly last | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
Thursday and I think what you should be doing, and your colleagues, is | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
you should be standing up for them. I am a bit disappointed that I have | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
to make some of the same comments to my colleague on the right-hand side, | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
Elaine Smith. Honestly, if you think the workers are going to be better | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
off under Nigel and Boris, then it is a strange socialism that you | :54:18. | :54:24. | |
believe in. I think, presiding office, I finished by saying the | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
workers would be better off with a Socialist Labour government. And I | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
would be better off being 25 years old, six foot tall and blond haired! | :54:35. | :54:41. | |
In the 20 years I have been involved in the S I have learned to deal | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
with disappointments. I was heartbroken over the 2014 referendum | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
result but I was able to take encouragement from the positivity | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
that the campaign generated at the prospect of Holyrood achieving | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
additional powers in Scotland becoming engaged with the Democratic | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
participatory process in a way I never saw before. Sadly I have no | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
such positive outlook in the wake of this result. This saw claims | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
retracted within hours of the results, a result one by going to | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
the basest politics I have seen in any campaign in my life and | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
politicians who took part in that should be ashamed of themselves. | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
Both campaigns ran scare tactics. The remain campaign came out with | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
the project fear figures that we saw in the independence referendum and | :55:27. | :55:30. | |
the Leave campaign came out with the lowest form of politics have ever | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
seen. The SNP warned against running a negative campaign and we saw that | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
it was counter-productive and a more positive you are the better result | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
you will get and we saw that in 2014 and if they had run a campaign like | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
that and so the benefits of immigration instead of running | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
scared from the benefits of immigration at the time it was | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
mentioned, then maybe we wouldn't be standing here today discussing what | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
we are discussing. I would like to concentrate on the possible impact | :56:00. | :56:01. | |
on education thanks to this result but first let me read a tweet that | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
was sent to the First Minister yesterday. Daughter graduates on | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
Thursday, internship with Milan firm just cancelled, sole reason given, | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
Brexit. That right there is the reality of the vote. I would like to | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
express my thanks to the principles of vice chancellors who made | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
unequivocal statements on the value of EU students and their wider | :56:24. | :56:37. | |
contribution to Scottish culture. It is clear academic collaboration is | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
still required and they will still collaborate in the Erasmus plan and | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
I congratulate him as being appointed as the chair of the | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
standing Council of experts. Sir Ian Diamond from Glasgow has given his | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
thanks to the contribution of EU students and given a clear | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
commitment to current students and those set to join in the new | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
academic year that any constitutional changes made during | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
their studies that affects tuition fees will be financially provided | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
for by the University. I also welcome a positive statement made by | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
the president of NUS Scotland who said that Scotland's should not be | :57:11. | :57:18. | |
ignored and it is crucial that the UK Government work with all devolved | :57:19. | :57:20. | |
governments to mitigate the consequences. The EU students can | :57:21. | :57:28. | |
come to Scotland to study, work and make cultural contributions is a | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
dynamic and multicultural society and it should be applauded and not | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
undermined. Scottish students cannot make their mark across the UK. | :57:37. | :57:57. | |
The European structural fund for 2014-20 has provided 940 million | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
euros to invest the Scottish Government's priorities. The horizon | :58:04. | :58:09. | |
2020 has contributed 217 million euros into research and innovation. | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
Like Wise the European social funds commitment to the Princes trust | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
addressing disadvantaged through team project, this project has been | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
instrumental in providing support to many young people in overcome ago | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
range of challenges, lower educational attainment, lack of | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
training or a lack of confidence. It's helped to assist in equipping | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
over 4,000 young people with skills to achieve their ambitions. All of | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
these are potentially at risk because of the unnecessary and | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
damaging referendum and outcome. I alluded to the uncertainty created. | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
I wish to congratulate the First Minister for the way she's handled | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
everything since Friday morning since we knew the result. The | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
Scottish Cabinet met on Saturday to take decisive action. Boris played | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
cricket and Westminster fiddled. I agree it's vital to have ongoing | :58:55. | :58:57. | |
discussions with stakeholders and wish the advisory panel every | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
success. In concluding my remarks, I want to join the others in thanking | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
the EU citizens here in Scotland, I have a number of them in my own | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
constituency and there's many in the First Minister's neighbouring | :59:11. | :59:12. | |
constituency. Again thank the many educational professionals and | :59:13. | :59:15. | |
experts who have given what reassurance they can to EU students. | :59:16. | :59:18. | |
I warmly support the Scottish Government's efforts in trying to | :59:19. | :59:20. | |
secure a continued involvement in the EU and of course the single | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
market. But earlier I mentioned a tweet by a mother of a young | :59:25. | :59:31. | |
student, here is a second tweet. All future collaborations, exchanges and | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
internships for EU citizens across the EU are under threat. She then | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
asks us to retweet, I would say get that message out there as soon as | :59:42. | :59:44. | |
you can. These tweets say as much about what a disaster Thursday's | :59:45. | :59:47. | |
vote is for young men and women from across the UK, not just Scotland, as | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
anything I have heard or read. These are the real life consequences of | :59:52. | :59:55. | |
Brexit, not some ridiculous abstract about taking back control. Not much | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
control of the future for these young people, is there? I support | :59:59. | :00:08. | |
the motion. APPLAUSE | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
Two weeks ago my sister moved to Valencia. Spain is a country she | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
fell in love with many years ago and one she has since studied in, | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
learned the language, soaked up the culture and made many friends and | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
now, like many Scots, has decided to make her home. The kind welcome she | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
has received has been wonderful to witness. It is the same welcoming | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
spirit which I believe the majority of people who have come to live and | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
work in Scotland have also enjoyed. For those non-UK citizens who have | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
come to live and work in our country, and those who have married | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
Scots and have made Scotland their home, let us send out the message | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
today their contribution to our economy and country is valued and | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
one we will work to protect. As members will know I actively | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
campaigned in the Remain vote here in Scotland and wanted to see the | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
whole UK confirm its membership of the EU. I am very aware of the | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
disappointment of many of my constituents across the region, | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
including Edinburgh which saw the highest Remain vote anywhere across | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
Scotland. Many of them have contacted me as well as other MSPs | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
since to express their regret and concern at the decision taken by the | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
whole UK. But as a Democrat, I accept the result of the referendum. | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
This is what democracy is all about. How we put our arguments to the | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
people and the manner by which we live by their decisions. It is now | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
incumbent on all parties across the UK and all nations within the United | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
Kingdom to seek stability and work towards achieving the best possible | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
deal for the whole of the UK. While the First Minister's immediate | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
reaction to the EU referendum was to put a second independence referendum | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
on the table, the constituents and businesses who have contacted me | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
over the past few days have overwhelmingly said that this threat | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
of another independence referendum is exactly the last thing Scotland | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
needs at this point in time. And I agree. We will now face critical | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
negotiations that will determine our new relationship with the countries | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
that make up the EU the aim must be to protect and maximise Scottish | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
trade within the European Union area and ensure continued access to our | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
single market. I believe it's vital that the United Kingdom looks at all | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
options, including the economic - the European economic area and that | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
would continue to provide free movement of persons, goods, services | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
and capital within the EU. Yes. I am grateful to the member for giving | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
way. Does he acknowledge that such a proposition, even though it's not my | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
first option, would involve a substantial financial contribution | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
along the lines of the current financial contribution to being | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
members of the European Union and therefore gives the lie to those who | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
claim that there will be ?350 million a week to spend on the NHS? | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
Yes, I would. We are actually at the point where early negotiations would | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
have to look at all of that. The EAA model works well for Norway, | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
Lichtsteiner and Iceland and that's maybe where we will have to move | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
forward on. Further, for our European partners let us never | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
forget they will always remain our partners. This is as much in their | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
economic interests to put together a tariff-free trading relationship, | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
for all our futures. Maintaining and extending fair and | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
non-discriminatory access to export markets by negotiating new trade | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
deals with a wide range of partners will be essential to support many | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
key Scottish industries. Securing the best possible commercial | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
environment for Scottish businesses is vital, from the Scottish risk to | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
the industry which represents 10% of all Scottish exports, to the EU and | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
also a financial services sector. Edinburgh has been an international | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
centre for banking for over 300 years. The financial sector is of | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
national importance with direct links between Scotland, the City of | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
London and other EU financial markets. Britain has 2. 2 million | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
jobs linked to the financial service industry with around 35,000 of those | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
based here in Edinburgh alone. The city remains the UK's second largest | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
financial hub and this must be protected and nurtured. I am | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
particularly aware - I am running out of time. I am aware so many | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
young people backed the Remain campaign and reassuring them and | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
working how we can guarantee their economic future must be also a key | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
priority. Young Scots want to have the opportunities to work across | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
Europe. Our young people take an internationalist view and we need to | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
make sure that they have the opportunity to study, work and | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
travel like before. I accept there is economic uncertainty for many | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
Scottish businesses, as we prepare for a new Prime Minister, and as we | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
prepare for a new Prime Minister who will formally lead these | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
negotiations, I think it's important that we as a parliament set out a | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
clear message and we send the message out that Scotland is open | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
for business. I believe we remain one of the best countries to start a | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
business and invest and we will always have our greatest asset to | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
attract investors and businesses to locate to Scotland, our people. In | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
the coming days, weeks and months and years our nations will face many | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
challenges. Now is the time for us to work to secure the best deal for | :05:30. | :05:38. | |
Scotland and the United Kingdom. Thank you. The practical | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
implications of the decision to leave the EU are potentially | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
massive. It will be weeks, probably months, before the full scale of the | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
impact emerges and already there is great concern amongst businesses | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
large and small with all the implications that Haass already | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
highlighted. Brexit and its possible consequences is creating genuine | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
worry over the future viability of some businesses in my own | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
constituency. Within a matter of hours of the outcome of the | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
referendum I have been approached by a senior representative of a farmers | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
co-operative with a annual turnover of around ?40 million. To tell me of | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
their real worries. They employ around 4,000 people across Scotland. | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
Most on a seasonal basis but around 10% on full-time management drawn | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
from all over European Europe. Without their efforts the business | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
could not function. Soft fruit is part of the success story that is | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
Scottish food and drink and here it is at best confronted by a very real | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
uncertainty. They are pressing to have concerns over future access to | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
the workforce they're dependent upon taken on board and are far from | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
alone as businesses in the UK come to terms with the horrific | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
consequences of a decision Scotland as a nation has expressed at the | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
ballot box finds itself at odds with. These are the potential | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
practical implications of Brexit. What of the people caught in its | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
crossfire? Some of the European European folk who over the years | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
have come to work in agriculture have ended up making lives there, | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
bringing families, marrying Scots, going to college to upskill | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
themselves or gain qualifications needed to bring education back home | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
to play to get better jobs. It's become their home and after a | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
campaign disgustingly dominated by the issue of immigration and let's | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
acknowledge this racism, they are worried. It's not just people from | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
European Europe. Browsing social media I chanced upon a | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
thought-provoking post from a Dutchman. A health professional who | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
happens to practise skills in my constituency. Because he spoke so | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
eloquently and from a standpoint view of us genuinely grasp let me | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
quote what he said, I have lived in the UK and Scotland since I came | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
here from the Netherlands with my parents in 1979. I am about as | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
integrated as it's possible to be. I was educated here. I have a family | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
here. I practise a good career here and I believe I krnt to the | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
community in which I live, I speak the language and I understand the | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
culture and engage with politics, I love the heritage and history and | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
stunning scenery and the people, the warmth and humour and essential | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
decency. The fact I am not a British citizen meant I did not ghetto a | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
vote, I could watch and participate, occasionally wade with bad grace | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
into a Facebook discussion that irritated me and grow alarmed as the | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
conversation slowly became more zenophobic. Ultimately I and others | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
resident here did not get a chance to influence the country. The | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
conflict I felt and in the wake of the vote to leave the EU feel more | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
acutely centres on the fact as the referendum made immigration the main | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
issue and framed the EU as pesky foreigners imposing scheming ways on | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
the UK I felt it was out of place for me to intrude on your great | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
national but internal debate even though the decision to leave the EU | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
will have us unclear but almost certainly detrimental effect on my | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
future in the UK. In the big scheme of things my discomfort is no big | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
deal. I don't know what rights I will lose, what services I will have | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
to start paying for, whether I will have to go through a different gate | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
at the UK airport than my kids. Time will tell. There are much bigger | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
things at stake. Soon when the UK leaves the union the separation will | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
be complete and irreversible, we will have lost common vision, the | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
economic benefits of the market and the framework that protects and the | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
common endeavour to peace, and workers and human rights. Against | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
all that the blow to my identity and sense of my own place in the UK | :09:42. | :09:54. | |
becoming more per-I have ale and fragile important but - live. I am | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
not merely a res department in Britain, specifically I live in | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
Scotland, that special part of the UK that's shown by voting to remain | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
in the EU that it doesn't buy in a the cynical, petty, zenophobic | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
Faragism of some of the other parts. Nor does it seem to believe | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
sovereignty, the ability to determine yir own national affairs | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
is incompatible from transnation co-operation and inte gags with a | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
small I. The make-up of the current parliament shows the people share a | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
optimistic and environmentally responsible inclusive vision of | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
society which is absolutely and resolutely suited to providing | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
answers to the problems of the 2 ist century and stands in total contrast | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
to the small minded nationalism of the leave campaign. Whether it's in | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Government's powers to keep Scotland | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
in the EU or not remains to be seen but a moment of shock and insecurity | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
the First Minister said words that I suspect a lot of EU nationals who | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
have made this country their home and certainly I needed to hear. They | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
want policy or even promises, they can't possibly know what will be | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
delivered post-Brexit but what she reached in a spirit of generosity | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
demonstrates why hope is not lost, not just for European immigrants but | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
for everyone who wants to live in a progressive and inclusive country | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
that is a fully committed part of the European Union. Colleagues, a | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
decision time tonight let's join the First Minister in reaching out to | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
our Dutch friend and others like him and demonstrate we value the | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
contribution to Scotland that they make just as much as we do our | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
country's place in the EU. Like almost every member of this | :11:33. | :11:46. | |
Parliament and an overwhelming majority of those who voted in | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
Scotland on Thursday, this is not a position I wanted to be in. Scotland | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
is and the European nation and the people of Scotland have made their | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
views quite clear. They intend, we intend, on remaining European | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
citizens. We want to see the protections for workers, women, | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
parents and the environment continue to affect us. We appreciate the | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
opportunities that freedom of movement gives us, not just as a | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
nation in need of a growing population, but as individuals. We | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
have no plans to leave the European Union and it is only right that we | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
exhaust every option open to us in pursuit of that outcome. The support | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
that reaches across almost all of this chamber today for such efforts | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
will be welcomed by those that we represent. These support, of course | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
extends beyond the chamber and across the continent. Senior | :12:36. | :12:36. | |
politicians from across the liberal, | :12:37. | :12:54. | |
Conservative and green traditions have all indicated a willingness to | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
secure Scotland's future in Europe. In the course of this debate I | :12:57. | :12:58. | |
received the following from the co-chairs of the European Green | :12:59. | :13:00. | |
Alliance in the European Parliament, whilst it is clear that the majority | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
of UK public have voted to leave the EU, far greater majorities voting to | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
remain in Scotland and Northern Ireland must be listened to as well. | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
The Greens in the European Parliament are a strong supporter of | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
the EU and will support exploring all options to allow Scotland and | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
Northern Ireland to remain in the EU as they have clearly voted to do. We | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
still have a role to play in reforming Europe and building on the | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
successes and failures of the European project. Huge challenges | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
still face us as a continent, challenges that we can only face | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
together. 57,000 refugees stranded within Europe and Greece and over | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
700 drowned in the last week of May alone, trying to reach our shores. | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
May was the 13th month on record where temperature levels were again | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
broken. The result of that being the kind of extreme weather that only | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
causes extreme misery, not just those in Europe, | :13:48. | :14:02. | |
suffering from extreme flooding and dangers and coastal erosion but to | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
the many millions elsewhere who will be left with no other option but to | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
flee to our shores. Unless we take collective action that will be a | :14:08. | :14:09. | |
refugee crisis many times greater than the ones we are currently | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
failing to deal with. Whilst the UK as a whole has clearly decided to | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
take a different path that will make it less able to contribute to | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
tackling these crises, Scotland has said that we intend to stay, to | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
continue playing our part. One of the United Kingdom may be heading | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
towards a Conservative government far to the right of the one we | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
currently suffer under, people here have clearly said they value the | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
protections afforded to us all as European citizens, protections from | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
overwork and dangerous working conditions, guarantees of maternity | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
leave and equal pay for equal work, and some, | :14:41. | :14:59. | |
although not nearly enough regulation of our financial sector. | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
The work required to continue these benefits and ensure that Scotland | :15:03. | :15:04. | |
can continue to play our part in Europe will be difficult. We are in | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
an unprecedented situation and I welcome the Scottish Government | :15:08. | :15:08. | |
commitment to cross-party working as well as the engagement of council | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
experts. I am pleased to see other parties have already made more | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
commitments but I do have one specific request. Our young people | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
benefit more than any other generation from the opportunities | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
afforded to them and to us as European citizens. The ability to | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
live, work or study anywhere across the European Union, schemes such as | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
Rasmus, are not something the Scottish people are willing to lose. | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
I am aware of a letter from the First Minister's opt -- office that | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
has gone to the youth Parliament which gives them a formal role in | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
the discussions to follow. Given the SNP's unit mandate to represent | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
young people I believe this is not just a reasonable request but a | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
necessary step and I hope the First Minister will agree. Shortly before | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
this debate I addressed a rally outside the parliament with hundreds | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
of people assembled and their message could not have been clearer. | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
They expect us to do all we can, to exhaust every option to guarantee | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
their rights to keep Scotland in Europe and I am confident that we | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
will do just that. It is no secret which option my party prefer, one | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
that we would have preferred, regardless of the outcome of the | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
referendum, but that takes on a new urgency and its aftermath. I believe | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
the only way to guarantee Scotland's long-term future in Europe is to put | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
our future in our own hands, for Scotland to become an independent | :16:24. | :16:24. | |
nation. Whether the Conservatives like it or not, the United Kingdom | :16:25. | :16:40. | |
they argued for in 2014 and longer exists. It is clear that the | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
arguments they made, that the only way to guarantee EU membership was | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
to vote no and that argument was no longer applies. This UK is very | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
different to last week and it is only right that the people of | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
Scotland, if necessary and they want it, once again make a collective | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
choice about our future. Today is a day for us to come together as a | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
Parliament and look at every option available to us, and while I am very | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
keen to explore options short of independence, it would be remiss of | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
me not to be honest about my position. I believe that an | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
independent Scotland, with a seat at the European table, would provide | :17:08. | :17:19. | |
the most opportunities for our young people and allow us to play the | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
greatest rock possible of facing up to the well's crisis, and I believe | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
with independence we can create a fairer and more just and prosperous | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
society that we all want to see. This week we begin a deeply | :17:28. | :17:29. | |
uncertain process to clarify Scotland's future in Europe. We | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
could still have the support of all five parties in this parliament if | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
the Tories can bring themselves to support the responsible reasonable | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
proposals from the government. Few of us wanted to be in this position | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
today but we must work with what we have got and we must do everything | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
we can to respect the mandate of the people in Scotland. We must keep in | :17:49. | :17:49. | |
Europe. The will of the Scottish people and | :17:50. | :18:07. | |
that of Northern Ireland, London and other parts of the UK must be | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
respected in relation to our position in the European Union. This | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
will take time and we must expect the European Commission to give | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
respect to the complexities of the negotiations ahead. We must not | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
allow the EU leaders of other countries to rush any exit process | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
in a bid to shut down right-wing arguments in their own countries, | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
much as we understand the complexities of that as well. This | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
afternoon I want to focus partly on my brief of environment and climate | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
change and highlight that we need to protect what is precious in our own | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
legislation which has come from the European Union. I asked the Scottish | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
Government to consider environmental protection in addition to the | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
social, employment and economic benefits in its motion today. The | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
Cabinet Secretary's evidence before the environment, climate change and | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
land reform committee this morning gave some reassurance on these | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
matters. Her explanation that the Scottish Government's starting point | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
would be co-operation across national boundaries, and of course | :19:11. | :19:22. | |
regulatory bodies here in Scotland would continue to protect us. She | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
also commented that it was about an understanding of our exposure. I | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
agree with this. We must ask ourselves what came from EU | :19:28. | :19:29. | |
directives? Is the legislation devolved or reserved? What is now | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
enshrined in Scottish Parliament legislation? EU directives are not | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
about bureaucracy or red tape, as some in the league campaign would | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
argue, this is about directives that were forged collectively to protect | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
us all. The chair of the UK climate change committee has said that | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
Europe is about gaining sovereignty as it allows us to face | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
environmental issues. Let's look to see if we can, indeed, in some way | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
retain the membership and those benefits. As to the process, if it | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
comes to it, of dissident whining ourselves from Europe here in | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
Scotland, and whatever speed it moves, we must argue that we must | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
fight against any moves to weaken or repeal environmental protection. The | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
legislation from protect those in our communities who are most in need | :20:15. | :20:26. | |
of support, communities have built dislocated left behind. The ambient | :20:27. | :20:28. | |
air quality directive identifies air-quality zones to tackle dangers | :20:29. | :20:29. | |
to health from traffic emissions. About 4000 people across the UK | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
still die of air pollution each year at the enactment of this legislation | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
is better protecting people in Glasgow and other cities across | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
Scotland. The water framework directive was introduced in 2000 and | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
transposed into Scots law as the water environment and services act | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
in 2003. And it has ensured the quality of our drinking water and | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
reggae sour sewage systems for the benefit people and the environment. | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
Scotland has a high quality water environment that is important to our | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
health and well-being and it supports a rich diversity of | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
wildlife and attracts visitors and supports sustainable development of | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
our economy. I also recall when some of Scotland's beaches were not | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
somewhere I would want to take my children but now, thanks to the | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
implementation of the bathing water directive I can happily take my | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
grandson to any beach here in Scotland without thinking twice. The | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
Marine protected areas enacted by the Marine Scotland act, due to | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
international obligations under the EU marine strategy framework | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
directive that calls for good environmental status throughout | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
Europe's marine areas. The birds and Habitat directive also calls for a | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
network of protected areas. All these EU directives have been | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
instrumental in benefiting the health of our seas, protecting the | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
livelihoods of those who fish in them and those of future | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
generations. On climate change I would take issue with Willie Rennie. | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
It is essential that we continue to work with EU countries to protect | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
present and future generations. Scotland is, indeed, a global | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
leader, in the UK and the EU, and globally we are at a time when | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
America and China are pressing for coordination. It is also essential | :22:16. | :22:17. | |
that the range of funding that came from the EU to Scotland is | :22:18. | :22:30. | |
protected. In my brief, for example, there is recent support for an | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
offshore wind farm which received ?525 million from the European | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
investment bank, supported by the European fund for strategic | :22:35. | :22:36. | |
investments. It is the single largest investment by the EU and | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
brings with it many jobs in Caithness. This kind of support as | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
we transition to a low carbon economy is essential, so let us make | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
sure that we assess how we can protect this funding for the future. | :22:51. | :22:58. | |
With 75% of young people voting UK wide to remain, we have a | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
responsibility to ensure that the Tories kept open to possible future | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
membership of the EU. So many young people understand the cultural, | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
educational and social links and opportunities that EU membership has | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
brought. Many have been lucky enough to travel or work in Europe or have | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
the advantage of educational exchanges and support such as the | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
Rasmus scheme and as was highlighted earlier this is very important for | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
the future. Lewis Douglas wrote to me yesterday to say that following | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
the EU referendum on Thursday and the United Kingdom's momentous | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
decision, it will have a defining impact on the future of where our | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
country is going now. Most importantly this decision will have | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
a defining impact on young people's future. Unfortunately the 16 and | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
17-year-olds were denied the right to vote. I am writing to you this | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
afternoon to ask for your support to ensure that young people's voices | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
are heard. The Scottish youth Parliament this afternoon has called | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
on the First Minister to include young people in the next steps for | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
this country, following the decision to leave the European Union, helping | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
to make our voices heard in shaping our future. I ask the First Minister | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
to listen to this play this afternoon. Before I call Claire | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
Adamson can I remind members that we are going to winding up and if they | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
took part in the debate they should be in the chamber for winding up | :24:27. | :24:33. | |
speeches. Can I welcome the First Minister's statement this afternoon | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
and also the revealing of the setting up of the Council of experts | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
which I think will be vital in securing a positive outcome for | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
Scotland in the months and years ahead. When we were discussing | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
Scottish independence in 2014 one of the members of that council event, | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
David Edwards, gave evidence to the European committee and in that | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
evidence he said, personally I hope very much that an issue of an | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
independent Scotland with a place in the EU will not arise, but the issue | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
was important for the integrity of the EU and also the credibility of | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
its institutions. It affects other countries as well. People are | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
entitled to know, as far as possible, where they stand. We find | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
ourselves in a similar situation today. This is not what we would | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
have wanted as a result of the referendum but we have to deal with | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
those consequences. In the Scottish independence debate we were hampered | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
by not being able to get clarity in some of these key issues so I very | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
much hope that David Cameron's offer to the Scottish Government to be | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
included and be part of the negotiations ahead will include that | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
when clarity is needed from the member state to approach the | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
European Union that that will now happen at the request of our First | :26:09. | :26:09. | |
Minister. I am very, very disappointed that we | :26:10. | :26:20. | |
are at this point because of what seems to be the Conservative Party's | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
petty and ill-conceived jealousies that seem to have been conceived in | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
the Bullingdon club and that have brought the UK to the brink of an | :26:29. | :26:38. | |
uncoupling from the EU. It's a tragedy worth of Shakespearean | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
epics. Our tragedy is that the Tory Party have lost the plot. They have | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
left a void in leadership and Government at the most difficult | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
time for our country but I also hold them responsible for the social | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
inclusion void, a vacuum in the post-industrial communities similar | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
to where I live and brass waut up. Communities where hope and -- where | :27:10. | :27:18. | |
I live and was brought up. That vanning home where the fears for the | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
future, for fears for families have been exploited and used by those | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
bent on division and blaming migration for the country's | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
problems. Elaine Smith talked very carefully about how these | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
communities feel powerless and disengaged from the political | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
process but no one has mentioned why there is such a difference in the | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
Scottish vote in these post-industrial areas than there is | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
in the rest of the UK. Could it be that the rest of the UK hasn't been | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
protected from the bedroom tax? It hasn't had its council rebate | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
protected. The children haven't been protected through the educational | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
maintenance allowance being maintained. They don't have free | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
personal care, free prescriptions or free education. I hold the Tory | :28:08. | :28:15. | |
Party culpable for that vacuum they've left in our communities. | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
APPLAUSE Presiding Officer, it was the | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
closure of RavensCraig that brought me to the SNP and on a principle of | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
independence within Europe. I look at my community which has seen a | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
Government leave no stone unturned to protect our steel industry and | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
has successfully done in securing liberty take over of the existing | :28:41. | :28:47. | |
steel plants in Scotland. The rest of the UK have seen leadership from | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
the Tory Party that is based on the market being all and I am sure that | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
had Redcar, had Port Talbot had the same Government fighting for them | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
that we had in Scotland things may have been so different in this vote. | :29:03. | :29:10. | |
And that desperation of our communities has been sickeningly | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
exploited and is evidenced by that appalling breaking point poster that | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
was released only a few days before the election. So the blame should | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
lie with those who are culpable. There is no pantomime villain to | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
blame for the problems in the UK, although Nigel Farage and Boris | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
Johnson are making a good run for it. This has been a great tragedy | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
for our country and I was appalled to hear the tale of one of my | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
constituents who received racist abuse from someone who had | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
frequented his shop for years, never having displayed such sentiments, a | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
family who work in our area, who live, their children and | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
grandchildren live in my constituency. They employ people in | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
my constituency, they fundraise for food banks and for our hospice. They | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
were told to go home leaving the expletives out. They are home. | :30:06. | :30:12. | |
That's what we should all remember. APPLAUSE | :30:13. | :30:14. | |
Presiding Officer, I want to finish with a quote from Michael Rosen, our | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
children's laureate. I am sure he's taken us on a bear hunt in the past | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
but this is from another poem. I sometimes fear people think fascism | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
arrives in fancy dress and played out in the endless reruns of the Naz | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
ies. Fascism arrive as your friend t will restore your honour, make you | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
feel proud, protect your home, give you a job, clean up your | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
corrupt and move everything you feel is unlike you. I hope the whole | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
country will reflect on those words because zenophobia and racism are no | :30:58. | :31:06. | |
place in any solution going forward. Thank you. Six minutes or | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
thereabouts, please. Yesterday Angela Merkel hosted a meeting with | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
Francois Hollande in Berlin to consider the process of British | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
withdrawal from the European Union. The leaders of the EU have lost no | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
time in confirming that a member state voting to leave finds itself | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
immediately outside the tent. The process of negotiation looks set to | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
be very tough indeed. Even more visually striking was Europe's big | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
three had also changed overnight. The place occupied by successive | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
British Prime Ministers was now taken by the Prime Minister of Italy | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
and they acted as if it had always been that way. The message could not | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
have been clearer, the world has changed and so has our place in it. | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
60 years ago, Anthony Eden plunged Britain into the Suez crisis that | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
culminated in his resignation. Seeking in vein to maintain the | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
British empire he hastened its end and changed our place in the world. | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
British foreign policy has focussed ever more sharply on Europe since | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
then until now. And the present Prime Minister will go down in | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
history for an equally momentous decision. David Cameron's Suez was a | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
referendum we did not need with an outcome even he did not want. It is | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
future generation who is will pay the price of that folly if these | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
Islands do indeed disengage from our European neighbours. But that | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
referendum has happened. The world has changed. Today's debate has been | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
about how we deal with that. What we should not do is head straight for | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
the trenches to fight again the previous referendum. If the vote | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
last week changed the world, so did the vote in 2014. It's no longer | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
credible to say well that was a vote of Britain as a whole, there is no | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
Scottish angle because Scotland is another component part of the United | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
Kingdom. Not so. If this parliament with their new devolved powers | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
really is the most powerful devolved parliament anywhere, it follows that | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
we can and must take our considered view of the implications of Brexit | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
for Scotland's future. Labour will not support the Conservative | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
amendment today because it seeks to rule out any engagement by the | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
Scottish Government with the institutions of the EU as if such | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
engagement was simply a matter for the UK Government alone. Surely this | :33:35. | :33:42. | |
is not the time to limit what options Scotland's devolved | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
Government can explore. I am grateful to the member. I agree with | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
the general point he is making but surely it goes further, the Scottish | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
parliament is about to gain over the period of this session powers that | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
place our budget much more into connection with the performance of | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
our economy and yet at precisely that time it's the UK Government | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
which has taken the most wreckless gamble with the economy which will | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
have a direct impact on spending on public services here unless we act | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
to protect them. I agree with that but at the same time it's true to | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
say that last week's vote does not change the decision of the Scottish | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
people in 2014 when we voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
The question which voters in Scotland were asked last week was | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
Union and it is the answer to that question which should guide what we | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
do now. There are material changes, of course. Many will wonder whether | :34:37. | :34:43. | |
independence in Europe if Scotland is in or without is less attractive | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
than what was on offer. Many will leave a domestic market of 65 | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
million is more precious if we lose access to a single market of 500 | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
million even if some think the single market matters more. The | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
First Minister has said again today there are options to explore other | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
than a second independence referendum and we on this side take | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
her at her word. If she wants to retain that credibility and | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
cross-party support she will want to contain the excitement of those of | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
her supporters and even ministers who cannot wait for it and appear to | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
have written off other options already. Many voters will not want a | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
referendum whatever the question because recent weeks have reminded | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
us of how ugly, brutal and divisive such choices on major national | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
issues can be. I was glad she made clear this afternoon that support | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
for her motion is quite separate from the issue of independence, that | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
clear distinction must be maintained throughout the process we begin | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
today. We ask the First Minister to explore Scotland's options on behalf | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
of this parliament for protecting the benefits of Scotland's | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
relationship with the EU and our place in the single market all of | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
which we have secured over 40 years as part of the UK. We want her to do | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
that in consultation with other leaders of devolved administrations | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
in the United Kingdom, such as the Mayor of London and we welcome what | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
she has said today on that matter. Other parties will also be active in | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
pursuing initiatives towards our shared objectives. Kezia Dugdeal has | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
spoken to the Mayor of London, the and the chief Minister of Gibraltar, | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
all share our values and value the UK's membership of the EU. There is | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
a particular onus on the Government to take these matters forward over | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
coming months. We welcome the presiding officer's assurance that | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
the parliament stands ready for recall if required this summer to | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
hear what progress the Government has made and I look forward forward | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
to the Cabinet Secretary addressing immediate issues at the European | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
committee this week. I hope in summing up today the Cabinet | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
Secretary will say more about exploring options other than | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
independence and that she and her colleagues will work hard to | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
maintain a united approach. Only by doing that can we give people here | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
and elsewhere hope that the chaos and crisis caused by David Cameron's | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
referendum will not mean the end of our European story. | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
APPLAUSE Thank you very much. Eight minutes | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
or theres about. This has been a passionate and deeply felt afternoon | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
of debate and so it should be. Few decisions taken by an electorate | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
have held such profound implications for a country. May I begin by paying | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
tribute to the voters in my constituency who again achieved a | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
record turnout in Scotland of 76%. And who together with voters in | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
Edinburgh achieved the highest vote for Remain in Scotland and the 9th | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
and 10th highest votes representatively anywhere in the UK. | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
My constituents voted to Remain. As with all but a handful of members I | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
sought a different outcome and while I accept the outcome across the UK, | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
I share the dismay and frustration expressed by the First Minister last | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
Friday. There have been three referendums since devolution and | :37:57. | :37:58. | |
while I appreciate the First Minister has been on the losing side | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
in all of them, being on the losing side this time has been a new | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
experience for me. There have been some SNP lawyers this afternoon who | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
have commended the First Minister on the leadership she showed during the | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
campaign and may I surprisingly join them and congratulate her on the | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
energy she brought to the contest, both here in Scotland and in her | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
participation in the UK referendum debate. But I cannot help but | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
observe that the Scottish party who supporters apparently voted to leave | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
by the largest percentage were those of the SNP and perhaps the First | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
Minister will reflect on why so many of her supporters ignored her advice | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
and perhaps Richard Lockhead may like to reflect on why nearly 50% of | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
his constituents voted to ignore him. This was not a clear-cut result | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
in every district and every community in Scotland. But dessia | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
dug das deal has to reflect while many Labour voters may have followed | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
her advice in Scotland, by a greater margin they rejected the shocking | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
leadership from Jeremy Corbyn, no national leader has looked more | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
lacklustre smug or indifferent to the result since last Thursday than | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
he has. She can stew in her anger against this side but she needs to | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
boil on the shame of her own juices over the complacent and indifferent | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
leadership shown by Scotland's party's current UK leader at | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
Westminster. In any event, I might observe too in passing, as did | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
e-Labour Party Smith, that to proportional as this parliament may | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
be it did not reflect the balance of opinion in Scotland and that's | :39:38. | :39:40. | |
something for us to reflect upon however awkward. The proposition I | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
voted for last week and campaigned for that the UK remain in the | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
European Union no longer exists. That was the proposition on the | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
ballot paper, it was not that I or anyone else are to that matter vote | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
for Scotland to remain in the EU whatever the terms of the | :39:56. | :39:57. | |
circumstances. I voted for Scotland to remain in an EU where the whole | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
of the UK was an influential member state. The First Minister in her | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
statement last Friday reasonably expressed her frustration, and to be | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
frank, anger at the fact that Scotland along with Northern Ireland | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
and London spoke so differently to the rest of the UK. She's embarked | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
on a strategy to explore all the options open to Scotland. And has | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
detailed these as she sees them in broad terms the sensible and | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
prudent. But if I had the views expressed this morning however n the | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
European Parliament by Jean-Claude Juncker and the fact in the last few | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
minutes the European President Donald Tusk has turned down the | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
First Minister's invitation for a meeting, suggests that it is not | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
going to be an easy path forward. I suspect that while the First | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
Minister does no disservice in exploring her options, the reality | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
of a union based on treaty will assert itself although I hope that | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
my pragmatic pessimism proves wrong. However, in exploring all the | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
options and within hours of the result, the First Minister confirmed | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
she had instructed officials, it seems almost before anything else | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
and before anybody had digested their breakfast, to prepare the way | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
for a second Scottish independence referendum. Because as I listened | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
with care then to the options as the 15s Minister detailed them, I did | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
not hear advanced what many regard as the Prost mob outcome and which | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
surely the SNP must acknowledge must be a possible scenario, that | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
Scotland remains in the UK and outside of the European Union. It's | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
not enough for SNP members to sit on their seats and sneer and say this | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
shows the true colours of people who consider that. It is surely | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
imperative in that scenario we not only secure the best possible terms | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
in our exiting the formal EU for Scotland, but that in the future | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
life of our country we ensure that the policies adopted for the areas | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
of national life once again determined in the UK are | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
unequiffally designed to advance Scotland's best interests. At the | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
very least this option should enjoy a parallel status and frefrt the | :41:55. | :41:55. | |
Scottish Government. If they don't do that and they focus | :41:56. | :42:03. | |
on the campaign for the next referendum then the SNP risks | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
undermining the Scotland influence in the very negotiations and future | :42:09. | :42:10. | |
planning that are taking place as others conclude that the Scotland | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
contributed are parted, half baked and designed to undermine the deal | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
available. I do not argue this would ever be the intention of ministers | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
but it could easily be the conclusion of others less and liked | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
it so we need to see Nicola Sturgeon in the heart of London and not in | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
Europe, we need her to work with the Secretary of State for Scotland who | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
she didn't mention in her statement today, and all others to represent | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
Scotland's best interests. We need all of Scotland's Westminster MPs, | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
with the First Minister didn't mention today, to represent the | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
Scottish interest and not those of the SNP. We need to see and the | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
voices in support of Scotland and not just suffered the village and | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
tweets in support of the SNP belligerent agenda. Central to our | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
interest is the access to the free trade market that is so fundamental | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
importance to employment. The result last week doesn't change the fact | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
that the overwhelming majority of our business is with the rest of the | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
UK or the European Union and jobs and futures depend upon it. Foremost | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
in our minds wherever we live in the UK should be the future of our young | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
people. I know from my own home and friends of my son is just how | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
strongly they feel. It is not just a media fantasy but rightly or wrongly | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
many young people now feel that the 60% of our older generation who | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
voted to leave have the opportunity of the youngest generation who voted | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
to remain. We have above all else to show and give these young people | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
help. Direct democracy has let them down in a way ripped representative | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
democracy would not do but we have to offer them the opportunity to | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
study and work across Europe and the world as they would wish to do so | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
and we need to facilitate this and the potential absence of the many | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
schemes available currently within the existing EU and welcome others | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
to the UK in exchange. Just a few weeks ago, and on all sides of this | :44:05. | :44:07. | |
chamber, members spoke with passion and commitment for the UK's | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
continued membership of the European Union. I argued I hope and believe | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
not on the basis of why we should not leave but why we should remain. | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
I will always argue for the most positive, productive and engaging | :44:22. | :44:23. | |
relationship with Europe but now it is necessary for us to meet the | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
challenge few of us sort and we need to meet it with steely purpose and | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
with an agreed unity of purpose and with a message of hope, however | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
individuals may define it, our Judy T is now to find the best result for | :44:39. | :44:50. | |
the people of Scotland. I wish to thank all of those who have | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
participated in the debate today and also echoed the First Minister's | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
pride in the decision voters in Scotland took to decisively vote in | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
favour of Scotland and the UK's continuing membership of the EU. | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
Just reflecting on the contribution, I think Jackson Carla does protest | :45:07. | :45:14. | |
too much and it is about time the Conservatives face up to what they | :45:15. | :45:26. | |
have done. It doesn't behold him to lash out to other people and other | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
members in this chamber. Some of the members today have contributed about | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
how they felt personally, as Willie Rennie did, some about their | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
constituents and how they feel, some have talked about the immediate | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
consequences of the referendum vote and some about the nature of the | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
campaign that was fought, and some about the immediate aftermath. Many | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
have focused on the result itself, the emphatic 62% of Scots who chose | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
to remain, but also I thought it was a very passionate speech when Kezia | :46:00. | :46:06. | |
Dugdale asked us to understand that in some places in some cases people | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
voted to leave out of a sense of powerlessness and a need for change, | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
and we also have to think through the consequences of that and Patrick | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
Harvie was correct to identify that there was space provided for | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
division and fear and hatred to be engendered and that has to be | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
confronted and faced on in all of our politics as we go ahead. | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
Christina McHale be talked about rights and respectful citizens of | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
the EU and many of the contributions we have had today have talked about | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
EU citizens living here. The Europe minister visited two businesses | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
yesterday morning in Edinburgh, owned by EU nationals, to hear | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
first-hand why they chose to make Scotland their home, and to make | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
clear to them that their contribution is valued, and right | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
across Scotland employers organisations and industries have | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
been publishing messages and making statements stressing the continued | :47:01. | :47:02. | |
welcome for their friends and colleagues. A professor from the | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
University of Glasgow State on Friday that the university was | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
founded in the European tradition and nothing will change their | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
international outlook. He told his colleagues and the students from the | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
EU just how much this University values the contribution to the | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
community and they are vital and important part of the University. | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
The head of NHS Scotland has stated that he values the contribution of | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
every member of staff in NHS Scotland regardless of citizenship. | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
The EU referendum has not changed that. The principle of the Royal | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
conservator of Scotland emphasises that our EU people will be welcome. | :47:40. | :47:51. | |
I think we can all agree that however each of us voted that the | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
Scottish Government has a responsibility to provide | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
reassurance to the 173,000 EU citizens that have chosen to make | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
Scotland their home and the First Minister head of this debate has | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
already outlined the actions we are taking to provide that reassurance. | :48:08. | :48:15. | |
I met yesterday with many ambassadors who have citizens living | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
here and I underlined our commitment to the interests of their citizens | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
and I think it is important that we do ensure that welcome is known. We | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
have always argued in this government about the benefits of EU | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
migration and that is a consistent part of our message and I was | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
saddened and angered the way some used or seek to use in a wholly | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
misleading way migration as a way to encourage people to leave. Claire | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
Adamson gave a clarion call in a very powerful speech about how all | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
of us going forward must face up and face down that behaviour. We cannot | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
express the Scottish Government welcome more clearly than the First | :48:57. | :48:59. | |
Minister on Friday morning. Scotland is your home, you're welcome here | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
and your contribution is valued. I also want to emphasise that in my | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
discussions with the ambassadors yesterday I told them about this | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
debate and that it was a motion about how approval to take forward | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
and protect Scotland's interests in the EU and that all options would be | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
assessed, and they was not -- that we were not asking Parliament will | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
support about the referendum. Despite my disappointment in the UK | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
result I want to stress again the commitment of the Scottish | :49:34. | :49:35. | |
Government in ensuring that all of Scotland's interests and those of | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
our citizens are protected at this most uncertain of times. The | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
Scottish Government will take that forward. We spoke about the economic | :49:45. | :49:54. | |
aspects and some direct dialogue is happening already about how to | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
ensure that our business interests are protected. We must also think | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
about how we do it and who we do it with. We spoke about the financial | :50:02. | :50:09. | |
services industry in the city. How do we expect the financial services | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
in the city of Edinburgh to be advanced without the opportunity to | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
engage directly, and I bear in mind that the financial services | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
commission has resigned. Although there may be similar interests with | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
the financial services in London, there will also be different | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
interests and it is very important that we explore all options and we | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
understand that. I want to turn to Oliver Mundell in particular who | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
said there is no need to jump to hasty conclusions. In terms of our | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
engagement, we are seeking urgent talks with the UK Government on its | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
plans for a withdrawal but I make it clear that no one has any idea what | :50:49. | :50:56. | |
those plans are. His perspective, to wait and see is at best passive, but | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
actually worse is a complete and utter abdication of responsibility. | :51:03. | :51:12. | |
If you listen to the tone of the Conservatives, both sides of remain | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
and leave our acting and behaving as they wish it hadn't happened. Our | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
job and responsibility is to take forward Scotland's interests and I | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
will ensure that we have dialogue with our colleagues across the | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
United Kingdom. We have said quite clearly that Scotland must have a | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
clear role in the UK negotiation and, indeed, the Prime Minister has | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
confirmed that but we do need a seat at the table and we can't have a | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
repeat of the situation of the last year in terms of the negotiations | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
and in terms of David Cameron's work that we were locked out of. It is | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
unclear how these developments will be taken forward but I have met with | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
the Secretary of State for Scotland on Friday and I'm due to have a full | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
call with Europe minister tomorrow and it is important that we ensure | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
that we have an opportunity to look at all options but we must have a | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
direct engagement to ensure that all options can be explored with EU | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
institutions as well as with the United Kingdom. Many members have | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
cited different arguments for economic benefit from the EU, that | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
the access to the single market, the valuable social and human rights, | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
the importance of being able to pool sovereignty and look bigger issues | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
such as global challenges and tapping pollution and climate change | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
and the refugee crisis. We don't have to look too far back in history | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
to acknowledge the importance of corporation in the EU over complex. | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
That is something we must always remember. I am proud that this | :52:44. | :52:58. | |
chamber the debate a month ago step forward the positive case for | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
membership, free from the fear -based campaigning we saw on both | :53:02. | :53:03. | |
sides during the closing stages. The benefits will realise from our EU | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
membership were as real last week as they are this week and in voting to | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
remain the people of Scotland have recognised that and that is why the | :53:10. | :53:11. | |
Scottish Government is committed to be examining all options open to it | :53:12. | :53:14. | |
and preserving its relationship with the EU so these benefits can | :53:15. | :53:17. | |
continue to be realised and we will engage directly with European states | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
and institutions and the UK Government and I met with the | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
Secretary of State, as I said, and I am talking to the UK's Europe | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
minister, and we continue our engagement in Brussels and other | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
member states. If we are to advance our interest in law and business and | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
jobs and environment, we must identify what the options are within | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
the EU institutions and the member states. In doing so we can build on | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
the work of the European external affairs committee report which was | :53:46. | :53:54. | |
set out and I can reassure many that I will make sure opposition members | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
and spokespeople are informed. We have the benefit in Scotland of | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
taking this work forward with advice and information and knowledge and | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
wisdom from a standing Council on Europe, as announced by the First | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
Minister, to look at all the options that we can take forward in pursuing | :54:12. | :54:19. | |
our interest. In terms of where we are now, we are in a unique and | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
unprecedented situation and we are in uncharted waters and there is no | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
obvious route forward but together we must find a route forward and I | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
am confident that we as a parliament can work collaboratively going | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
forward, taking all actions in the best interests of Scotland. The | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
people of Scotland sent us here in our election a few weeks ago to | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
represent us -- them and stand up for their interests. We have a clear | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
responsibility and duty to work together, not just across this | :54:54. | :54:56. | |
chamber but together with the experience and knowledge and wisdom | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
of the standing council and beyond to make sure that we identify, | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
protect and advance the Scotland interest in the EU. It is in that | :55:04. | :55:10. | |
spirit and that intent that I would urge members to think forward in the | :55:11. | :55:16. | |
case of Scotland, not just where we have been recently in this campaign, | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
but where we want Scotland to be in the future. We might not have a | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
charted route forward but if we have a commitment and a common endeavour | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
and we have the interest of Scotland clearly in our focus I think this | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
Parliament, working together, can achieve much in difficult times. So | :55:34. | :55:39. | |
I would urge all members to think about the opportunities that lie | :55:40. | :55:42. | |
ahead, the challenges that lie ahead, be realistic about what they | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
may be, but let's come together and give endorsement that that work | :55:46. | :55:47. | |
should and must take place. That concludes the debate on the | :55:48. | :55:58. | |
implications of the EU referendum for Scotland. It is time to move | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
onto the next item business. Aramid amendments 44-68 and opposition | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
amendment 181 relating to investment relief. Klaus and 76 extends | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
entrepreneur relief to external investors in in listed companies up | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
in a 10% rate of capital gains tax accruing on | :56:22. | :56:22. |