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Here, is it about time the government decided how we fund | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
adults social care? And as an independent review starting to MPs' | :01:49. | :01:59. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2001 seconds | :01:59. | :35:20. | |
pay, what do you think they are Hello, I'm at Marie Ashby with the | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
stories for the East Midlands. My guests are the shadow health | :35:24. | :35:29. | |
minister Liz Kendall, the Labour MP for Leicester West, and the | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
Conservative MP for Erewash, Jessica Lee. Later, as an | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
independent panel tries to work out what we should pay MPs, we asked | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
some of you what you think they are worth. And if you think MPs get | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
worse treatment from the media these days, think again. | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
First, the vexed question of how we fund care for the elderly. | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
According to latest forecasts, the number of people over 85 will | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
double by 2030, but despite growing pressure from charities, councils | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
and pensioners' groups, the Queen's speech failed to address the issue | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
of funding. Jessica Lee, how much more time do you need to come up | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
with the answer to this? I think there has been some good progress | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
on this under a coalition government. It was one of the first | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
reports commissioned by the coalition. We need to look at this | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
issue. It is an issue that has been brushed under the carpet for too | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
long. So on people say that is still happening because you are not | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
addressing funding, the most fundamental part of this. I do not | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
accept that. I think it is right that we now have a situation where | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
there is an opportunity for pre- legislative scrutiny by people with | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
so much to offer - expertise, interest groups and so on. It is | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
now the time to have that conversation so that we can all | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
contribute and get the situation right. You keep scrutinising. How | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
much more time does that take before we can talk about the gritty | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
issue of funding. A I don't accept there has been a delay. This is the | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
biggest overhaul for 60 years on social care. It is crucial that we | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
get it spot on. We need to not cross the issue. -- Roche the issue. | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
It has been a priority in the coalition government to get to | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
grips with this and we know it is going to be a cross party piece of | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
work and I am sure the parties will work together to come up with a | :37:22. | :37:30. | |
long-term solution. She says it is a priority. That is not true. In | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
2010, David Cameron and Nick Clegg promised to legislate in this | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
Parliament on a future legal framework for adult social care and | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
a financial social framework. That has been broken. This issue is | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
really too urgent and too important to kick into the long grass. You | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
may remember Labour put forward proposals for changing the way care | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
services are provided and funded just before the last election. We | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
tried to get cross-party agreement, we did not succeed. We are | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
determined to try again now. Elm -- Ed Miliband called for cross-party | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
talks. We are determined to play a full part in that. One newspaper | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
reported this week that you are pulling out of cross-party talks. | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
Absolutely not true. Absolutely not true. We initiated the talks, we | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
are in the talks and are pushing for progress on the talks. | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
leading member of the Dilnot Commission, Lord Warner, has said | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
it is time to take it out of the hands of people like yourself and | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
Andrew Lansley and make it the responsibility of David Cameron, | :38:36. | :38:41. | |
the shadow chancellor, Ed Miliband, George Osborne and Ed Balls. He | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
says it is the only way to get it sorted out. One need have the | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
leaders of the parties, as well as the people involved in the health | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
teams involved. -- we need. We have been asking for that from the | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
government and I hope they respond to that request. We will have to | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
find a new way to fund care in future. That means the Treasury has | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
got to be involved. And it is time the Prime Minister got involved, | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
isn't it? The Prime Minister has raised this issue on many occasions. | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
It has been a priority. Not the funding. All politicians feel | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
really strongly about it. We all have families and know the | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
consequences of elderly relatives. We are all going to be there one | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
day! Precisely. It is now urgent and I think it was not dealt with | :39:28. | :39:36. | |
historically but I am pleased now... We tried, just before the election. | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
I think there is now or will. the Dilnot Commission suggested a | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
way out of this last year. It said there should be a cap of �35,000 on | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
the amount anyone should pay towards their social care before | :39:49. | :39:54. | |
the state picks up the bill. What is wrong with that? The entire | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
point of getting the Dilnot report was to review it. We now have that | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
opportunity. All parties need to get together at... This is talking | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
about funding but the bill is only about services. It is not about | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
funding. The only thing in the Queen's Speech was a draft Bill on | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
how services are provided, not funded. That really is not a point | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
here. We all know the reality of this is it is not only services and | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
how they are provided but how it is funded. I am not -- I am confident | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
that that will be featured in a huge way in the cross-party | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
discussions. Dilnot also recommended nobody should pay | :40:35. | :40:42. | |
anything towards their care in an old people's home if they have less | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
than �100,000. Some people would say that is too generous already. | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
Dilnot was trying to get a balance between enabling people not to face | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
catastrophic costs, where they end up losing their home, but also | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
making sure people on lower incomes actually benefit from this, too. It | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
was a balance we have warmly welcomed. Dilnot is the best chance | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
we have had been a very long time to try and get an agreement. I am | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
involved in those cross-party talks and we are playing a full part. I | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
want to see David Cameron and George Osborne committing to | :41:14. | :41:20. | |
funding. It is an issue that needs to be discussed. Thank you. After | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
the controversy over MPs' expenses, Independent Parliamentary Standards | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
Authority is gritting its teeth and looking into it MPs' pay. We have | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
been to Ashby the la Zouch to see if you think MPs are good value for | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
the �65,000 they get now. It is a lot but they have got a lot of | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
responsibility, and they make a lot of decisions that make -- that | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
affect everybody, so I don't think it is too much. A lot of people and | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
that - doctors - and if you want the right people in the right job, | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
they should have reasonable amount of paid. When you compare them to | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
nurses, it is far too much. Look at their pay a dense C E Os of | :42:03. | :42:11. | |
corporations. You could say they are not paid enough. -- against. | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
they have an increased rate of pay, they will not have to rely on | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
expenses as they do at a moment. They have got a tough job on their | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
hands, so I think it is reasonable. Whatever you pay them, they will | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
get criticised for stopped they are paid far too much for what they do | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
for the country, which is nothing. A nice raised eyebrow at the end. | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
What do you say to that last lady who thinks you get far too much | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
already? A we do get a very good salary. We get paid over �65,000 a | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
year, and when you think that the average salary is �26,000 a year, I | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
do not want to see MPs... Would you be prepared to take less? Yes. | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
lot of people think �65,000 is not actually a lot of money for the | :42:57. | :43:03. | |
responsibility that you have. Does that come as a pleasant surprise? | :43:03. | :43:12. | |
think the whole issue of pay is not now in our hands and is now so and | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
so that -- subject to Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
to review, which makes it much more comfortable than having regular | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
debates in the House of Commons. It is interesting that a man who said | :43:22. | :43:28. | |
if you get a decent salary you do not have to rely on expenses - that | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
was a polite way of putting it, wasn't it? People from all | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
backgrounds have to have a chance of becoming an MP so if you are | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
living four days a week in London, as I do and those of us do, you | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
need a proper system so that it is not only the very wealthy you can | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
have has sent their praises. Jessica is right - this needs to be | :43:48. | :43:58. | |
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decided independently - but MPs need to be showing restraint. -- | :43:59. | :44:07. | |
not only be very wealthy who can have second houses. One of the | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
ideas that the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority | :44:09. | :44:16. | |
is looking at is the state giving you a flat in London if you need | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
one and she would be able to live there rent-free. No scope for abuse | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
there, either, is there? As long as any system we have is transparent | :44:26. | :44:35. | |
and clear, that is fine. Accommodation and bills are | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
available on the Internet now. I am pleased there is a public | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
consultation. I think it is going to be interesting to see what | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
people come back with of what they say they would be most comfortable | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
with. We will leave it to the independent authorities. They can | :44:49. | :44:56. | |
tell us and we will get on with it. After the expenses scandal, the | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
2010 intake feel that the less responsibility we have all this | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
issue - and it must go to an independent body - the better. | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
you did say that you are prepared to take less. How much less would | :45:10. | :45:18. | |
you be prepared to take? -- lives. We end a very good salary. How much | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
would you take a dip of? I have not bought of the exact amount. We are | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
on a very good salary and I do not think we should be getting any more. | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
We need to show restraint, just as everyone else is. It has been | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
reported that the Governor wants to francs civil servants by ability. | :45:36. | :45:44. | |
Why not apply that to MPs? -- government wants to took rate. | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
There are some MPs to spend a lot of time in the chamber, others who | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
do a lot of constituency work... it fair that those people get more | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
if they are seen to be doing more? They do their job in different ways. | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
That is one thing I have really noticed as being a new MP. I think | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
the main thing is as long as you are accountable to the electorate, | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
you can answer all those questions and are accountable for your time | :46:10. | :46:18. | |
and responsibilities, that is the most import thing. Not analysing | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
ability and priorities. How many hours do you both put in? | :46:23. | :46:30. | |
relentless number. A have you added it up? No. It is every day. Well, | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
it should be every day, shouldn't it? With the responsibilities that | :46:34. | :46:42. | |
go with the job, you do not switch- off. It is not as angry voters to | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
get and a politicians' skint - satirists can make their lives | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
miserable, to, nobody more so than the 18th century cartoonist James | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
Gillray. Robin Powell has been to exhibition at his work at the | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
Nottingham Contemporary, and soon found there are many parallels to | :46:57. | :47:04. | |
be drawn between now and then. James Gillray was, and surely still | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
is, our greatest caricaturist. Such was his fame that the most avid | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
collectors of his work included the great and the good he so | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
mercilessly lampooned. So, what is it about his work that makes him so | :47:17. | :47:23. | |
special? The visionary qualities of his composition is extraordinary. | :47:23. | :47:29. | |
They are so real and we imagine the events of last week, great mock | :47:29. | :47:35. | |
epics. They mix words with images. This not among cartoonists says | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
that for many in his profession, especially political caricaturist, | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
Gillray remains a source of inspiration. -- Nottingham a | :47:44. | :47:54. | |
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cartoonist. He invented all the devices used today and people like | :47:56. | :48:02. | |
Steve Bell often pay homage to him. Gillray actually received a pension | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
from the Tory party at the height of his career and there are plenty | :48:06. | :48:12. | |
of works lampooning the Tories' rivals, the Wigs, particularly | :48:12. | :48:17. | |
their leader. But Gillray also likes to poke fun at the Tory | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
leader, as well. Here, he is seen mock-heroic be riding roughshod | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
over the democratic process. It is probably fair to say Gillray | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
himself did not have much time for politicians in general, regardless | :48:31. | :48:38. | |
of their party label. What is very noticeable is that the issues | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
Gillray explores are very similar to those in the news today. EU have | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
Napoleon here a parent in a n nightmare to Admiral Nelson -- you | :48:48. | :48:54. | |
have a Napoleon appearing in it and nightmare. In some way, we can see | :48:54. | :48:59. | |
this sentiment in some of the cartoons of the Euro-sceptic press | :48:59. | :49:08. | |
today. For me, the most fascinating part of the exhibition is this - it | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
tells the story of an alliance that a merged in 18 a six. It is a | :49:12. | :49:22. | |
coalition between the Tories and the Wigs. -- 1806. To paraphrase | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
the Prime Minister of the day, everyone must share the pain that | :49:25. | :49:32. | |
to do good for the country. We are all in this together. If it is any | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
consolation to the leaders of today's coalition, their | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
counterparts 200 years ago suffered far more ridicule than they do. | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
This is my particular favourite and it spookily mirrors the current | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
political climate, almost to a tee. We have the chance of the Exchequer | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
spewing torrents of new taxes down on to the populace. And the | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
politicians here gobbling up the new taxes. The hair powder tax, the | :50:02. | :50:10. | |
son of tax - a bit like a granny tax and a pasty tax today. If you | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
are feeling overtaxed yourself, the good news is that it in -- | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
admission to the exhibition is free. It looks very good and when you see | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
some of those cartoons, you can't help but think that some | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
politicians get off lightly these days. Well, he was the master of | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
the art and as we saw from the film, he has been copied so many times | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
since. It was pretty Bootle -- brittle times then. Some would | :50:38. | :50:44. | |
argue it is still the same. Gillray was particularly fierce but some | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
cartoonists still go for the jugular. Does that make you wince? | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
There was a brilliant one by Steve Bell in the Guardian this week of | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
the Queen during the Queen's Speech, saying, "at my government will | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
achieve growth by making my subjects easier to sack," say it is | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
not as the pictures but the words and sometimes they we beat | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
encapsulate what people are thinking. -- really encapsulate. | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
There is the humorous tinge but it always comes with a sharp edge. | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
they dose so far sometimes that it is too far? David Cameron is not | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
too keen on how he is but raged, with his eyes bulging and his head | :51:29. | :51:37. | |
squeezed in at a condom. -- portrayed. I think as we have seen, | :51:37. | :51:44. | |
the long history of this art will carry on. You say it was worse then. | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
But now with the internet and Twitter, it is much more of a | :51:49. | :51:55. | |
constant 24/7 environment we work in, and that can be as brutal. | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
think about this -- the days of South Today. When you are satirised | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
on national TV, haven't you arrived? - that the days of | :52:06. | :52:16. | |
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Spitting Image. What the best humorists do is pick a personal | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
characteristic and there may exaggerate it. You need to keep | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
your floors hidden! Now a round-up of the political stories in the | :52:26. | :52:36. | |
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A newer residents formed a human chain around the hospital as the | :52:38. | :52:44. | |
part of their campaign to save its A&E department. -- new-look | :52:44. | :52:49. | |
residents. Off-duty police officers | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
demonstrated their anger in London over budget cuts and Benson changes. | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
They get another opportunity from Tuesday, when the Police Federation | :52:57. | :53:03. | |
holds its annual conference. -- pension changes. No other public | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
service is being cut back to the extent the police is full stock the | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
Labour majority in Derby will announce next week whether it is | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
going ahead with the velodrome project. It has to decide if it is | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
too late to pull out. A Leicester man is fuming after | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
failing to outsmart no-smoking rules introduced by the City's | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
former MP Patricia he would. He uses a battery-powered plastic | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
cigarette which any dispensers nicotine, but staff at Air leading | :53:31. | :53:38. | |
pub chain ordered him to use it outside. -- Patricia Hewitt. | :53:38. | :53:44. | |
Liz, you represent Patricia Hewitt's old constituency Vostok if | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
someone is exhaling steam from a battery operated cigarette, it is | :53:47. | :53:53. | |
not the same as smoking one. It is not. Three cheers to him for trying | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
to give up smoking, which is really hard. If you are a member of bar | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
staff working in a busy pub, it can be hard to tell what might be a | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
real cigarette and an electronic cigarette. My thoughts are with him, | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
wishing him on with giving up smoking, but I understand why it is | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
sometimes difficult for hard- pressed bar staff. Did they go too | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
far forcing him outside? It sounds like there was a misunderstanding | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
in what was happening. I think it is up to the bar staff and the | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
managers to take their view about what is right for them and the | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
people that visit their establishments. He is see it is | :54:33. | :54:43. | |
difficult to distinguish between a real cigarette and an electronic | :54:43. | :54:51. | |
one. We all join him in wishing him the best. Never give up giving up. | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
They are very difficult to tell. They look really realistic. It | :54:56. | :55:00. |