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In the East Midlands: It could be a bleak winter for thousands, but are | :37:24. | :37:31. | |
they strivers or skivers? I have seen the numbers go up and I have | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
been coming for a couple of months, then it line kicks longer each week. | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
And as one of our region's hospital's heads towards a cash | :37:37. | :37:44. | |
crisis will the government step in to bail it out? They paid all that | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
money out, all of that, I think something has got to be done. | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
I'm Marie Ashby. Joining me this week, someone in the perfect | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
position to answer that question, the Chairman of the Health Select | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
committee and Conservative MP for Charnwood, Stephen Dorrell, and | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
Labour's Liz Kendall, the MP for Leicester West. And we're starting | :38:01. | :38:09. | |
with health, Liz Kendall's been busy in that area herself. She's | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
part of an all-party group of Leicestershire MPs who've been | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
meeting the man reviewing the decision to stop children's heart | :38:14. | :38:16. | |
surgery at Glenfield Hospital and transfer its ECMO specialist life | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
support unit to Birmingham. Children's heart surgery at | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
Glenfield was scheduled to stop after a government review | :38:21. | :38:22. | |
recommended concentrating specialist services in a smaller | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
number of larger centres. Surgical cases would be transferred to | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
Birmingham. But after strong objections, including from local | :38:30. | :38:37. | |
MPs, the decision is being reviewed by an independent panel. You met | :38:37. | :38:45. | |
the chairman Lord Ribeiro on Thursday, any hope there? He was | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
very clear to the cross-party group of MPs and peers that met with him | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
that he is coming to this with an open mind up. He has no | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
preconceptions, he wants to look at the evidence about what is going to | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
deliver the best care for children and the best support for families. | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
What makes you think the outcome will be different this time? | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
Because he is going to look at the proper evidence including on | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
Glenfield's ECMO service, although he was told by the Secretary of | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
State that was outside his review, he said the evidence was that the | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
services were closely linked so he will be looking at it. He was | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
concerned about whether or not people from the black and ethnic | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
minority communities had been properly consulted with and he will | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
look at increased pressure for services from our bigger population, | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
particularly among younger people in the area. So he wants to look at | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
the evidence, take a national decision about what is right for | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
the country and the most important thing is he is listening and that | :39:48. | :39:54. | |
is welcome. This has had cross- party support for Glenfield, are | :39:54. | :39:59. | |
you still behind the campaign? Absolutely, I think it is important | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
that this decision is reviewed, that is why I welcome the fact it | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
is being referred to the panel. Lord Rob Burrow is a distinguished | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
man, a former President of the Royal College of Surgeons, and | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
between Liz and myself there is agreement that there needs to be a | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
decision about this. Children's Heart surgery has been something | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
the health service has taken 10 years to respond to a national | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
scandal in Bristol. It really is time that there was a decision made | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
on a national basis about how this service will be delivered in future. | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
Do you think heart surgery for children should stay at Glenfield? | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
I don't think that is a political decision, it is a decision as | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
listed just now that needs to be taken on the evidence about how | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
that service can be delivered best in a safe and sustainable fashion. | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
One of the things that he said is that he is going to put the report | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
in now at the end of March, it was initially going to be the end of | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
February. The Leeds hospital has also referred at their decision, so | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
that is when it is going to come, I think it is right, we need a | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
decision, because the staff, families and children are worried | :41:14. | :41:20. | |
about the future. They need to take an independent decision. We were | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
putting the case for Glenfield and I'm confident they will listen to | :41:23. | :41:33. | |
that but there is a long way to go. It may be Christmas, but there's a | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
distinct lack of cheer for many. Thousands of people across the East | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
Midlands will be getting their Christmas meals from the region's | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
food banks. Benefits look set to be one of the great battlegrounds for | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
next year, with the Chancellor talking of helping "strivers not | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
skivers". But how do the people who rely on food banks to feed | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
themselves and their families feel? John Hess has been to one as they | :41:51. | :41:52. | |
prepared their very own seasonal party. | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
Christmas is around the corner and there is a whole roast on the go, | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
just the thing on a cold winter's day. We are in Loughborough, this | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
is a Christian a run a charity that provides a free food for some of | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
the vulnerable in the area, the unemployed, those living on the | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
breadline and who may need a bit of extra help. Parisse uses the | :42:14. | :42:20. | |
facility, what exactly is provided here? That provide us with food, | :42:20. | :42:26. | |
fresh vegetables, stuff that can be used, but markets throw away. | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
You're a former musician, a full- time carer, is it a fundamental | :42:30. | :42:37. | |
that you get this service? Are yes, it is, because without it, the old | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
cliche, it would be... A we will catch up with you later, let's | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
catch up with Judy, one of the people who runs this organisation. | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
Since austerity kicked in, were different have you noticed? | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
type of people coming have changed slightly. People who one wouldn't | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
have expected it, people who have perhaps lost their jobs, because | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
they haven't had their jobs for very long, they find they cannot | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
claim benefit, or people trying to claim benefits, which have been | :43:08. | :43:14. | |
held up for various reasons, which happens. I come one-iron a bit | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
short, and it really helps -- when I am a bit short. I have seen the | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
numbers coming up and I have only been coming for a couple of months, | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
it gets longer every week. How do you feel when you hear the | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
Chancellor talking about the shirkers and the strivers, and | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
those who were on benefits, staying in bed with the curtains closed? | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
That is probably because they cannot afford to keep their house | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
and the bed is the warmest place! I don't think most people in | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
government has any height -- how hard it is at the bottom of the | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
pile. They don't see how it is, my message to them would be, a jump in | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
your car, come down to a place like this and witnessed first-hand | :43:56. | :44:01. | |
exactly what is going on. Because all these people are in dire need | :44:01. | :44:10. | |
of help. We are now inside the fault -- a food stall. Is it always | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
this busy? Yes it is, this is our normal Tuesday and Thursday. What | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
are you able to give the people? give them bridge, we give them pins | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
up stock we give them cake -- we give them a front, we give them at | :44:27. | :44:35. | |
teens. But once it is gone, it is gone. How much would that cost of | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
the supermarket? I would say roughly �15. And that is a lot of | :44:40. | :44:46. | |
money to find? Yes, I would be back on Tuesday, first in line. Free | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
food is distributed twice a week from here. They will also be open | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
on Christmas Eve and New year's Eve. You know it there will be -- they | :44:54. | :45:03. | |
will be open because of the lengthening queue. Will you go and | :45:03. | :45:10. | |
have a look? I think interest, most MPs, most weekends, see somebody, | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
most of us more than one. Several good come into our surgeries at | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
weekends from different versions of the story. A but you must be seen | :45:20. | :45:26. | |
more of them? The answer is, there is clearly more stress, more | :45:26. | :45:33. | |
hardship in our society as a result of economic times, that is true. | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
What is important is to be clear at first of all that we should provide | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
help for people who find themselves in hard times the Messiah might be | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
volunteers providing that help, and we should ensure that there is a | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
proper safety net. But we do them no favours if we do not insist that | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
the real way to help them in the long term, them and their children, | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
is to ensure the economy works better so that fewer people are in | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
that position and more people are able to sustain themselves. | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
people there are saying it is not just the government who will act of | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
touch, it is all politicians across the board, they feel let down. | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
think that is true, I think people look at all politicians and feel | :46:12. | :46:18. | |
that they don't understand what is really going on in their lives. The | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
struggle they face, the choice between heating and eating. I had a | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
community meeting this week where people are really suffering a, they | :46:27. | :46:33. | |
are worried about what is going to happen, people want to do their | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
best for their family at Christmas, we are seeing our local credit | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
union same people are more in debt. People are choosing between heating | :46:42. | :46:48. | |
and eating, it is up to us, and I feel strongly as a Labour MP that I | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
should say the government has made a huge mistake on the economy, we | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
have long term unemployed doubled in the East Midlands... I and they | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
said the queues are getting longer. Let's have a look at how many | :47:00. | :47:09. | |
people are in the region. Housing benefit's a good indicator. There | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
are 327,000 people on it in the East Midlands, that's up 7.5%. In | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
Charnwood, Stephen, it's just under 8,000. And in Leicester, it's just | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
over 34,000. That's a shocking figure - more than 300,000 people | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
in our region on housing benefit. You can't label them all skivers. | :47:24. | :47:31. | |
didn't label them at skivers. your government did. But equally, | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
those people struggling in the way that is described, and I do not | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
dissent from the description, and they know there are people in their | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
community that they live next door to who they themselves described as | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
skivers, so we shouldn't imagine that this problem does not exist | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
for stoppages a small problem that does exist. What we ought to do is | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
make certain that all of those who are engaged and looking after | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
themselves, want to find jobs, sustain themselves, look after | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
their families, we have an economic environment where they can find a | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
job and look forward to improving living standards. Mind you, that | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
food bank in Loughborough has been running for three years, so it is | :48:13. | :48:18. | |
not just something that started now, it has been going on since Labour | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
was in government. We have seen around one new food back open every | :48:24. | :48:31. | |
single week across the country. -- food bank. 70% more food they are | :48:31. | :48:36. | |
giving out now than three years ago. The truth, I'm afraid, is what the | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
government announced in the Autumn Statement, their cuts to benefits | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
and tax credits, six out of 10 of those people affected are in work. | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
They are struggling and striving to do the best for their families! And | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
they feel it is incredibly unfair that they are paying the price when | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
millionaires are getting a big tax cut. They don't think that is fair | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
and I don't think that is fair. Then people turn around and say you | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
are out of touch. Politicians will always be accused of being out of | :49:06. | :49:12. | |
touch but when it -- what any politician should do is when they | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
have rich in their constituency, they meet people in their own | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
constituency, they engage with problems... But it out of 10 of | :49:20. | :49:28. | |
those people are actually working. But in Parliament we say we want a | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
fair system, one people who can work are helped and supported to go | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
into work and people who can't get a decent safety net, so they can | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
live a decent life, in the 21st century, in one of the richest | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
countries in the world, to have those food banks is a scar on | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
society. You point the thing that the government, I don't think | :49:52. | :49:59. | |
people in that you would help all thank either of us are appointing | :49:59. | :50:06. | |
figures -- for pointing fingers at each other. There is a recession | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
going on since 2008, times are tougher, what we don't have to do | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
is to look after the people who opt in hard times. But Germany's | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
growing by three or 4%, America is growing, this country is flat lined. | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
We have got such problems that long-term unemployment, the | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
government's work programme, we discover... But we cannot keep | :50:29. | :50:36. | |
paying out benefits. The way you do that is we had a job guarantee for | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
young people, we said you had no option but to turn down, the | :50:40. | :50:45. | |
government scrapped that programme, its new programme, only two out of | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
every 100 people have found work. That is not right, what we have | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
found is happening in the new work programme is that those who are | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
running them are being paid a only when the people on Dos programs | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
have long-term, sustainable work. The evaluation of the work | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
programme found most people would have found work without the work | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
programme. I think we will be hearing more about this in the new | :51:12. | :51:21. | |
year. Back to health now and the growing | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
financial crisis at King's Mill Hospital in Sutton in Ashfield. The | :51:24. | :51:26. | |
hospital took on a Private Finance inititative to refurbish the | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
building which looks like it could end up costing �2 billion. Now 16% | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
of its budget goes on repaying the PFI, compared with 5% at the Derby | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
Royal Hospital. A new Chief Executive has been appointed to | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
Sherwood Forest NHS trust which runs Kings Mill. He's warned job | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
losses at the hospital can't be ruled out. I think there may be | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
reductions in the workforce, but we need to come at it the right way, | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
we will increasingly have patients treated at home, so they will still | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
be treated but maybe not in the way they have seen it in the past. We | :51:53. | :51:56. | |
may not have as many hospital beds or as many nurses in hospital but | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
we will still have those staff caring for people in their | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
community. The finances are pretty grim at King's Mill, will your | :52:04. | :52:14. | |
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It is not in the interests of patients to simply go on bailing | :52:14. | :52:20. | |
out a hospital where 16% of the revenue is being reserve to pay for | :52:20. | :52:27. | |
and pay out on to PPF eye. there is a President. You already | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
helping Peterborough and Stamford NHS Trust, who are �45 million in | :52:31. | :52:36. | |
debt. We are seeing the requirement to change. We had a debate this | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
week in the House of Commons, the requirement to change the way care | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
is delivered to reflect the fact that today's health service has | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
many more elderly people, many people whose needs are best met not | :52:46. | :52:54. | |
in the modern Acute Hospital, but by ensuring there are property it - | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
- community-based services. We need to take resources, away from the | :53:00. | :53:07. | |
acute sector to make sure there are proper dignity -- community | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
services, so people cannot be discharged because the services are | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
not there. But what of the hospital runs out of money? The is why I | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
stress it is in no one's interest to us to bail out existing | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
structures. If the system as it is currently delivering spends too | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
much on acute and not enough on delivering care near to people's | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
homes, then we are not meeting the needs of patients, and that should | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
be what drives the service. Labour massively expanded this PFI project, | :53:37. | :53:46. | |
this whole idea of it, does Labour regret having done it? No, I think | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
overall I think PFI absolutely helped transform a crumbling | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
Victorian hospitals. I am also clear that some of those project | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
were not good value for money. I agreed with Stephen, we need to get | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
a shift of services out of hospitals into the community to | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
help people stay fit and healthy for as long as possible. But one of | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
the problems in this area, particularly in and around the | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
Ashfield constituency, is we have seen vital services like walk-in | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
centres been shut, so people here the rhetoric on the grounds, they | :54:18. | :54:26. | |
think... There are two people who use Kingsmill. We've been to | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
Mansfield to find out what they think of their hospital. I have had | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
good dealings with Kingsmill, every time I have been in, I have been | :54:34. | :54:40. | |
looked after very fairly and the place is lovely and clean. I do use | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
the hospital quite a bit, these recent years, so I have seen the | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
development and improvement and they are fantastic, it is a really | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
nice place to go now. But I am worried about the financial | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
situation they are in. They haven't got it, and no, they have paid all | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
that money out, all of that, I think something has got to be done. | :55:02. | :55:09. | |
It looks a lot better than I did. Got no complaints about it, really. | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
Interesting that a lot of them like what the PFI has done for the | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
hospital. We've already heard the chairman of the trust saying there | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
could be job losses. How does it work, do wards close, do jobs have | :55:22. | :55:30. | |
to go? I'm sure what Eric Morton is spending all his thinking Tyne on | :55:30. | :55:33. | |
his making sure the hospital doesn't run out of money and that | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
what happens is the services change in a way that reflect the needs of | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
patients. You don't have to wait until the hospital has run out of | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
money before you change the way in which care is delivered to reflect | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
the needs of patients. Under all governments, the NHS has to live | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
within our budget, it is a Budget that is at record levels, and it | :55:54. | :56:00. | |
needs to meet changing needs of patients, if the needs of patients | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
change then the shape of the service that is delivered needs to | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
change as well. You've been bitten by the PFI process in Leicester - | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
�20 million lost when a project for a major health hub fell apart. | :56:13. | :56:19. | |
Maybe PFIs and hospitals aren't good for your health! One of the | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
interesting things is that the PFI deals are quite long deals, 25-30 | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
year deals, and health care is much more fast moving than that. So I | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
think there is an issue if you have a process which locks the service | :56:32. | :56:37. | |
into a model which may not be the right one for 20 or 30 years' time, | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
we have to look at that for the future. The other thing is that | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
whilst individual services need to lick -- live within their means, | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
one of the benefits of a National Health Service is that people are | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
not left on their own, it is not that hospital, it is the whole area. | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
So I think it would be wrong to go down a route where it is just about | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
the individual service, we are a national health service, we need to | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
work together to support each other. PFIs aren't always bad, Derby's | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
Royal Hospital is held up as a shining example, why has that one | :57:13. | :57:19. | |
worked when others have failed so spectacularly? Some of Stephen's | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
colleagues say that everything is all down to this terrible PFI, the | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
majority of hospitals with PFI deals are able to pay them back | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
properly. Those have been problems often have an underlying issues | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
that need to be addressed. don't hear me criticise the PFI is | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
I was first a Treasury minister then a health minister that | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
introduced it, and I'm delighted to say that the Chancellor has now | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
said that he is going to look at the failings, because 15 years into | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
a programme, it is not surprising it has made mistakes. What we need | :57:51. | :57:57. | |
do is it refashion it in order that there is it a capital available to | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
allow the system to restructure. Time now for a round-up of some of | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
the other political stories in the East Midlands this week - with our | :58:04. | :58:14. | |
:58:14. | :58:15. | ||
Political Editor John Hess in 60 UK Coal has restructured his | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
business. It has divided the company into a mining operation and | :58:19. | :58:25. | |
a property sector. There is also a new name, coalfield resources. The | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
firm says it mining business would have gone bust without the move up. | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
The government may have signalled a shale gas bonanza in the East | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
Midlands. There are thought to be large | :58:38. | :58:44. | |
reserves in our region, so far and no one has applied to carry out the | :58:44. | :58:51. | |
controversial for racking. Ashfield council is handing out a | :58:51. | :58:57. | |
�250 Christmas bonus to staff earning less than �21,000. The | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
measure has been condemned by the leader of the opposition Liberal | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
Democrat group. Wondering why you Christmas card | :59:05. | :59:09. | |
from Leicester County Council has gone, the council has decided to | :59:09. | :59:17. | |
scrap its tradition of sending out cards. You can tell it is | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
Christmas! There we have it in a nutshell - Labour Ashfield district | :59:21. | :59:22. | |
council giving out bonuses, Conservative Leicestershire | :59:22. | :59:31. | |
cancelling Christmas - you lot are just poles apart. I don't think we | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
are cancelling Christmas by cancelling Christmas cards! There | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
will be more than one view about the merits of them. I haven't even | :59:38. | :59:43. | |
started writing mind. Are you sending any? To a few people. I | :59:43. | :59:47. | |
have done all my shopping online this year, it was all sorted last | :59:47. | :59:53. | |
week, it has transformed my life. If Christmas cards could be a | :59:53. | :59:58. | |
personal expression and again, that would be wonderful. Where you get a | :59:58. | :00:05. |