14/04/2013 Sunday Politics East Midlands


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Cameron tells us almost fifty thousand jobs have been created in

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our region. And a striking miner and a

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2193 seconds

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businessman give us their views on look at the fight for a living wage

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and are legion and on the day the Bishop of Grantham criticises the

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cost of Baroness Thatcher 's funeral, we ask, what did you do for

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you? Joining in this week is the Conservative MP for Derbyshire South

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who praised Margaret Thatcher in this -- the House of Commons.

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And the Labour MP for Bassetlaw. More on that in a moment but first,

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David Cameron has been on the patch and telling us there is good news.

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One of the two Rolls-Royce, the Prime Minister said the economy is

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generating tens of thousands of jobs. I think we have seen some good

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progress. Here in the East Midlands, 48,000 new private-sector jobs this

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year. That is good progress. We have seen a growth partnership set up

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with the government committing �1 billion over the next seven years to

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really help industries like this. We are seeing a rebalancing of the

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economy that we need. I would like to go faster and more export

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success. Where are all these new jobs? Loads of them are in South

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Derbyshire. Toyota is taking on 1500 people. Nestle are taking on 200

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people and it is growing exponentially. It sounds good for

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the economy. It is the antidote to Thatcherism. You do have a

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government spending a lot of money on advanced manufacturing centres in

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Sheffield with Rolls-Royce and then a new educational centre with a huge

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amount of money going on. It is the government supporting our industry.

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I applaud that. The government should be doing more to support the

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industry. So the economy is on the way up? I wish it was. This is a one

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off with Rolls-Royce. It is the right to do but what about the rest

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of the economy. We are seeing no growth. We have had a lot of tweets

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from people saying that these are all paid or part-time jobs. I regret

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to say they are very poorly informed. They are superior jobs,

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they are quality jobs, they are training jobs and they are going to

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have jobs for the future. Nestle have invested �200 million. We have

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brought business back from China. We now have proper class Manufacturing

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and I am very proud of it. Jobs are jobs aren't they? People are hungry

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for any kinds of jobs going but we are our industrial base? What is the

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government doing about it and why haven't we got growth in the

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economy? We are falling behind the rest of the world once by month. The

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dusty mature party always seems to go to Rolls-Royce. Why do they

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always go the? Fortunately, David Cameron came to Nestle as well. We

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do our bit and South Derbyshire. Obviously I would love him to come

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to healthcare. They are going to spend another 150,000. 75% of the

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English market they have. They are taking on another 25 people as well.

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If you are in work, how much would you say you need to get by? A

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campaign is trying to persuade councils and businesses to be a

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living wage. That is a way to link to the easy cost of living. It is

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reckoned that must for hundred thousand people are paid a lot. --

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paid below it. Just smell the coffee. The strategy of one Tory

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poster on testing the political mood. His business in Nottingham

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supplies copy to restaurants, cafes and hotels. He is also bring up a

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political debate over low heat. -- over low pay. His latest recruit,

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19-year-old Josh, helps out. He is paid more than the national minimum

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wage will get --. A living wage is calculated by independent people who

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have worked out just how much things cost and how much you need. It is a

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realistic figure. At the moment the national minimum wage is �6 19p.

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living wage would add an extra �1 26p, bringing it up to �7 65. The

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question is whether the living wage should replace the national minimum

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wage by law. As a taxpayer, I do not like the idea of not being people

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enough money because they go on benefits. That extra in the hourly

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wage rate would make such a difference for these two canteen

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workers. Tracy and Rose worked for Nottinghamshire County Council. They

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are paid above the legally enforced national minimum but only just. I am

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a single mother with two children. At the end of every month, my money

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runs out. I look to borrow money from my mother. She is a pensioner.

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At the end of the month, I have to work 30 hours a week and come home

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and do other things I have to do. I have bills to pay. The way I live

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now is that I am putting more in my bells and even in my food. It would

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make me a lot more comfortable and it would help a lot to bring up my

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children. An estimated 4.8 million workers get less than the so-called

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living wage. That is 20% of the working population. Given East

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Midlands, it is at 22% which is why campaigners are targeting local

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governments. What about those people currently earning �7.45 who would

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therefore expect your own salary to incrementally rise? It would add a

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huge amount to Council wage bills across the East Midlands and that is

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something that council tax payers can ill afford the month.

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telling that to this man. He is one of seven children and his family and

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is campaigning for the living wage because of the adverse his mum, a

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cleaner, has to put in. If it is happening to me, it is happening to

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my little sister and a lot of other young people around Nottingham as

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well. A lot of people feel ashamed about how much they are working. A

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living wage to more accurately reflect living cost. It is winning

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some political support at like strong copy, it may need sweet

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running to suit everyone's tastes. Why shouldn't everyone expect a

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living wage? You can't live without one. The difficulty is that you have

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to have productivity to pay for it. Particularly when the unions are

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trying to highlight that this is an issue for local council, we are very

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proud that we haven't put up our local council tax for two years.

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People who are on fixed incomes cannot afford for these things to be

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going up. We have the money going to come from? Bassetlaw district

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Council has signed up to this hasn't it? Here we have another well-paid

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MP telling cleaners and caretakers that they shouldn't be getting seven

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or �8 an hour. This is what people need to live on. We need to be

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encouraging work. Every council and every employer should be bringing

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and the living wage. It motivates people and these people spend their

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money and the economy. That creates jobs. Is there a danger that if you

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start paying people are living wage, people bother up the line would want

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to do? How can we afford that? That is the problem. That is regularly

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start getting into problems about how much it is going to cost to run

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a council. Instead of giving millionaires huge tax cuts, squash

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the people of little bit at the top. They will not notice it. At the

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bottom, it will make a huge difference. Because we have taken

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the tax threshold up to 9400, these people will not be paying tax at all

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so weird looking after them. So we are looking after them. There is

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opportunity for employers, including local authorities in the public

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sector to PED since wage to all their employers. The lowest paid the

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server increase. Is it cost-effective and good for morale?

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Absolutely. Every employer understands the worst of their

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employees. If they can afford it, fantastic but you have to have

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greater productivity for it. Are you saying that that Tory council did

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the wrong thing? Every council needs to understand where the money is

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going to come from. If you are talking 13 people, you can maybe

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find it but if you are talking 3000 people, maybe you can't find.

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Vessels need prioritise at the moment. They? Productivity, cleaners

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who are cleaning toilets, they should be paid a living wage. That

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is what this is about. Local authorities should take the lead.

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Well done Bassetlaw Council for doing it. It's the other councils

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and other employers doing the same thing. It doesn't sound a novel lot

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to some people but it would be a -- a big difference to some wouldn't

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it? I stress again, the tax levels have been raised enormously so you

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have to earn a lot of money before you start paying any tax at all.

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think these people will find that they are the level where they will

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not be paying any tax and that is the difference. Local councils are

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in the front line when it comes to the campaign for a living wage but

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that is just one of the many issues facing them as they approach those

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crucial County Council elections in three weeks time. In the run-up, we

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will be hearing from the leaders of the main parties in each county are

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starting this week with Nottinghamshire. Their promises

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include, a freeze on council tax, increasing spending on roads and

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pothole repairs, and for every school to have a school hall.

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have promised not to be council tax up for the next two years. I am well

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aware of how little money people have to spend and we still have to

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provide services. We have already succeeded in finding savings there.

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Therefore, I know we can do it again without cutting back on those

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services. Alan Rhodes leads the Labour group. They say that jobs,

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skills and training are priority. They are promising extra care

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housing for the elderly and a 20 mile an hour limit outside schools.

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A Labour authority will offer a fairness in difficult times to the

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people of Nottinghamshire. We know that we are in a difficult financial

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situation but at the same time, we must prioritise local government

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services to those people in our communities who do so desperately

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need them. We will be putting people first. We will be prioritising those

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most disadvantaged communities and we will be offering fairness in very

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difficult times. Liberal Democrat's pledges include, freezing council

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tax for one year at least, no cut and library services and sure start

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and �1 million extra for road repairs. I think if people want a

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stronger council that runs taxis fairly but delivers social fairness,

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then you cannot trust that either of the other two parties. Liberal

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Democrats will keep taxes low and other social policies. -- and

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deliver social policies. Next week will be hearing from the party

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leaders in Derbyshire. We can't hold our politicians back any longer.

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Let's talk Margaret Thatcher. One example, she also had a major impact

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here in the East Midlands. Joining us to debate how her policies change

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their lives, we have Les Raine, a former striking miner from

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Nottinghamshire. Les, where you celebrating when you heard of

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Baroness Thatcher 's death? Celebrating is a strong word.

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end of the day, somebody has died but I certainly didn't mourn her

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passing. Some of the people who have been celebrating, you have got to

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understand that some of those people have been given an opportunity to

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vent some of their anger and frustration that built up during her

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time in office. They possibly feel that they have never had an

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opportunity to do so because prior to this, you're not going to wake up

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one morning and say let's have a party to celebrate. It is like any

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other leader of any other organisation. When leaders die, you

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have people who will rejoice and your people who will mourn. Whether

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you are rejoicing or morning, will depend on what section of the

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society you Ireland. What did Margaret Thatcher mean to you?

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from an area which was in the industry. What she did for the

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working-class in freeing them has led me to where I am today. You are

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saying that she inspired you? She inspired me to go into business as

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she has done for many working-class people. She privatised a lot of

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these big businesses. These working-class had opportunities to

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play a part in businesses that they worked on by buying shares etc.

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there to say that the reaction we've had from some of our viewers on our

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Facebook page has been mainly about the hardship people based during the

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Thatcher years and they haven't been terribly complementary either. What

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do you see to someone like Les who lost his job and says his community

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was destroyed by Thatcher's policies? I think it is very

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unfortunate. History is being rewritten because the miners in

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South Derbyshire, half of them work is we didn't strike. We have

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villages where families are split, villages where you go to one pub

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rather than the other. What I am saying is dot mac she polarised

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opinions. We may not be having this debate on any other conservative

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leaders. You lived through the Thatcher years and lived in those

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mining areas in Nottinghamshire. you go to those communities and ask

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those people in those communities, some of them have never recovered.

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There was nothing there. The thing that fits those communities was the

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mains. There was nothing to replace that. Working-class people were also

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liberated by her policies, what do you say to that? She doubled up

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unemployment and had mortgage rates at 12%. She had inflation at 9%. She

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had growth in the economy so she left an economic disaster. Then we

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have got what and electric and gas privatised and we are all paying

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huge bills because of that. What there is as private sector making

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vast amount on the back of all others. What about that? Would it be

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profitable? The thing is that is going back to the mains, they were

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not making money. It is a business. The Australians are making a profit

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out of coal and we can't because we have shut the collieries. I don't

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think it is as simple as a profit and loss basis. The communities

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looked after each other. Maybe it is not just people who are rewriting

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history. Let's leave history rewriting alone and let's talk about

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today. The Bishop of Grantham has said that the cost of a funeral is a

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mistake. You would believe that the funeral should be more low-key and

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personal. I think it is absolutely wrong and I cannot believe he has

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come out with this statement. doesn't sound like a very Christian

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statement. He thinks it is not going to help this situation by having a

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big show. When you look at other funerals in the past, there has been

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a private funeral and then a national memorial, you and

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Westminster Abbey or other. This is going to be on funeral and on the,

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that is it. Did we not have a parliament that costs a lot of money

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anyway? Not because this is for the nation to see what is going on.

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Parliamentarians want to talk and pay tribute to a massive

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parliamentarian. She was a brilliant parliamentarian and I don't want

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history rewritten about that. reckon recognise that Margaret

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Thatcher had some very fine leadership qualities and that most

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people the country would be that there are things they are but when

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you talk about a nation, which nation are you talking about? The

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ones that prospered under Thatcher or the ones that didn't? You have

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absolutely got the wrong idea. Jason Doctor O'Dell about the fact there

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were a lot of people who owned their own houses. Let's talk about the

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impact that Baroness Thatcher 's death could have on the upcoming

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council elections. It could go either way couldn't it? It will have

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no impact whatsoever. Everybody is reminiscing about the Thatcher

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years. It will have no impact because people will go about their

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everyday lives. It is right that she has a funeral but no politician

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should have the funeral paid for by the state. Not Margaret Thatcher,

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not Tony Blair, no politician should ever have to all edition paid for by

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the state. It is fundamentally wrong. How do you feel about this?

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It is one funeral. The costs are going to escalate with people

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protesting about it. Because we have to put in place police officers to

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oversee and ensure nothing escalates to far. That increases costs. They

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are talking about arrest is happening on the day. Thank you very

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much. Time for a roundup of the other political stories in the East

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Midlands this week. Lester's Deputy Mayor has been

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chosen as a Labour candidate for the East Midlands for the European

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Parliament. He has been asked on Twitter if he will step down from

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the Deputy Mayor's role to campaign but he says he will only leave if he

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is elected to Europe in next year's elections.

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Derbyshire's Fire and Rescue Service has signed up nine councils to its

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campaign to install more walking -- Watters fingers and homes. They have

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put together a bunch of the hundred and �60,000 to pay for the systems

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which significantly reduce damage caused by fire. Nottingham City

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Council is offering advice on switching to lower fuel bills are

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people in the city. Council is holding sessions and libraries and

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information on its website to calculate how to save money.

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MPs are to get a taste of Derbyshire this week. A food fair at the

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counties to these products is being held in the House of Commons.

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Organisers hope the exposure will help local businesses to flourish.

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Sounds tasty? It is going to be brilliant. What is known for? I am

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taking two producers from South Derbyshire. One produces wine and

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Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news, interviews and debate, including the Sunday Interview with Conservative party chairman, Grant Shapps MP. Also, former CBI boss, Lord Jones and TUC leader, Frances O'Grady go head to head on trade union reform, and former cabinet minister, John Reid, on Tony Blair's warning to Labour.


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