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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics.


Downing Street announces an inquiry into allegations of hardball tactics


and intimidation by unions in industrial disputes. That's our top


story. Thousands dead. Hundreds of


thousands without homes. Millions affected. What is Britain doing to


help the Philippines in the wake of Typhoon Haiyan? We'll ask


International Development Secretary Justine Greening.


Winter is coming and so, it seems, is another crisis in England's


hospitals. I'll be asking the Shadow Health Secretary how he'd put a stop


to Here in the East, an organisation


from Cambridge leading the fight to clean up the internet.


And claims that council cuts could lead to crime as youth services


And claims that council cuts could fatalities on the capital's streets,


and renewed calls to get lorries off the roads in peak hours.


With me, the best and brightest political panel that money can buy.


Janan Ganesh, Nick Watt and this week, Zoe Williams, who'll be


tweeting their thoughts throughout the programme.


The Government has announced a review to investigate what the Prime


Minister has called "industrial intimidation" by trade union


activists. Bruce Carr QC will chair a panel to examine allegations of


the kind of tactics that came to light during the Grangemouth


dispute, when the Unite union took their protests - replete with a


giant rat - outside the family homes of the firms' bosses. Earlier this


morning the Cabinet office minister, Francis Maude spoke to the BBC and


this is what he had to say. To look at whether the law currently works


and see if it is ineffective in preventing the kind of intimidatory


activity that was alleged to have taken place around range mouth


during the previous disputes -- Grangemouth. We make no presumptions


at the beginning of this. I do think it is a responsible thing for the


government to establish what happened and really do a proper


review into whether the law is adequate to meet the needs. That was


Francis Maude. This is a purely political move, isn't it? Unite did


this a couple of times, it is hardly happening all over the country but


the government want to say, we are prepared to investigate Unite


properly, Labour isn't. This seemed a lot worse when I thought it was a


real rat. I thought it was a giant dead rat. I am not sure if you know


much about rats but real rats are not this big, even the ones in


London. The thing is, obviously it is naked politics but I think it is


more intelligent than it looks. They are trying to taint Miliband as a


week union puppet and that doesn't really wash. They hammer away with


it and it might wash for some people. But it really castrates


Miliband in the important issues he has to tackle. Zero hours, living


wage, all of those things in which he needs to be in concert with the


unions, and to use their expertise. He is making them absolutely toxic


to go anywhere near. It keeps the Unite story alive, have to kill --


particularly since Mr Miller band is under pressure to reopen the


investigation into what Unite are up to -- Mr Miliband. They are


frustrated, not only at the BBC but the media generally at what they


think is a lack of coverage. I see the political rationale from that


respect. There is a risk. There are union members who either vote Tory


or are open to the idea of voting Tory. All Lib Dem. If the party


comes across as too zealous in as -- its antipathy, there is an electoral


consequence. Ed Miliband has been careful to keep a distance. Yes


they depend on vast amounts of money. When Len McCluskey had a real


go at the Blairites, Ed Miliband was straight out there with a very


strong statement. Essentially Len McCluskey wanted Blairites in the


shadow cabinet sacked and Ed Miliband was keen to distance


himself or for that is why it is not quite sticking. Another story in the


Sunday papers this morning, the Mail on Sunday got hold of some e-mails.


When I saw the headline I thought it was a huge cache of e-mails, it


turns out to be a couple. They peel away the cover on the relationship


between Ed Miliband and Ed Balls, with some of Ed Miliband's cohorts


describing what Mr balls is trying to do as a nightmare. How bad are


the relations? They are pretty bad and these e-mails confirm the


biggest open signal in Westminster, which is that relations are pretty


tense, -- open secret. That Ed Miliband doesn't feel that Ed Balls


is acknowledging the economy has grown that Labour needs to admit to


past mistakes. The sort of great open signal is confirmed. On a scale


of 1-10, assuming that Blair-Brown was ten. I think it is between six


and seven. They occupy this joint suite of offices that George Cameron


and -- David Cameron and George Osborne had. It is not just on the


economy that there were tensions, there were clearly tensions over


HS2, Ed Balls put a huge question over it at his conference. There


will be more tensions when it comes to the third runway because my


information is that Mr balls wants to do it and Ed Miliband almost


resigned over it when he was in government. I don't think Ed


Miliband is thinking very politically because he has tried


live without Ed Balls and that is not tenable either. -- life without.


He has defined a way of making it work. That is where Tony Blair had


the edge on any modern politician. He didn't want to make Ed Balls his


Shadow Chancellor, he had to. Somebody said to him, if you make Ed


Balls Shadow Chancellor, that will be the last decision you take as


leader of the Labour Party. Is it as bad? I was surprised at how tame the


e-mails were. At the FT it is compulsory, one French word per


sentence! To call him a nightmare, compared to what they are willing to


say in briefings, conversations bits of frustrations they express


verbally come what is documented in the e-mails is actually pretty


light. It has been a grim week for the people of the Philippines as


they count the cost of the devastation wrought by Typhoon


Haiyan. HMS Daring has just arrived near the worst hit areas - part of


Britain's contribution to bring aid to the country.


It has been one of the worst natural disasters in the history of the


Philippines. Typhoon Haiyan hit the country nine days ago, leaving


devastation in its wake. The numbers involved are shocking. The official


death toll is over 3600 people, with many thousands more unaccounted for.


More than half a million people have lost their homes and the UN


estimates 11 million have been affected. David Cameron announced on


Friday that the UK government is to give an extra ?30 million in aid,


taking the total British figure ?250 million. An RAF Sea 17 aircraft


landed yesterday with equipment to help aid workers get too hard to


reach areas. HMS Illustrious is on its way and due to arrive next


weekend. The British public have once again dipped into their pockets


and given generously. They have given more than ?30 million to the


Disasters Emergency Committee. The International Development


Secretary, Justine Greening, joins me now for the Sunday Interview


Good morning, Secretary of State. How much of the ?50 million that the


government has allocated has got through so far? All of it has landed


on the ground now. HMS Daring has turned up, that will be able to


start getting help out to some of those more outlying islands that


have been hard to reach. We have seen Save the Children and Oxfam


really being able to get aid out on the ground. We have a plane taking


off today that will not read just carrying out more equipment to help


clear the roads but will also have their staff on board, too. We have


?50 million of aid actually on the ground? We instantly chartered


flights directly from Dubai where we have preprepared human Terry and


supplies, and started humanity work -- humanitarian supplies.


A lot of it has now arrived. I think we have done a huge amount so far.


We have gone beyond just providing humanitarian supplies, to getting


the Royal Air Force involved. They have helped us to get equipment out


there quickly. We have HMS Illustrious sailing over there now.


Why has that taken so long? It was based in the Gulf and is not going


to get there until two weeks after the storm first hit and that is the


one ship we have with lots of helicopters. The first decision we


took was to make sure we could get the fastest vessel out there that


was able to help HMS Daring. HMS Illustrious was just finishing an


exercise and planning to start to head back towards the UK. We have


said to not do that, and diverted it. Shouldn't it have happened more


quickly? We took the decisions as fast as we were able to, you can't


just turn a big warship around like the HMS Illustrious. We made sure we


took those decisions and that is while it will be taking over from


HMS Daring come and that is why HMS Daring is ready there. It will be


able to provide key support and expertise that has not been there so


far. The US Navy is doing the heavy lifting here. The US Navy had the


USS Washington, there is an aircraft carrier, 80 planes, 5000 personnel


and they have the fleet, they are doing the real work. We obviously


helping but the Americans are taking the lead. It is a big international


effort. Countries like the US and the UK, that have a broader ability


to support that goes beyond simply call humanitarian supplies -- have


made sure we have brought our logistics knowledge, we have sent


out our naval vessels. It shows we are working across government to


respond to this crisis. Why does only just over 4% of your aid budget


go on emergency disaster and response? A lot depends on what


crises hit in any given year. We have done a huge amount, responding


to the crisis in Syria, the conflict there and the fact we have 2 million


refugees who have fled the country. We are part of an international


effort in supporting them. Shouldn't we beginning more money to that


rather than some of the other programmes where it is harder to see


the results question of if we were to give more money to the refugees,


it would be a visible result. We could see an improvement in the


lives of children, men and women. What we need to do is alongside that


is stop those situations from happening in the first place. A lot


of our development spend is helping countries to stay stable. Look at


some of the work we are doing in Somalia, much more sensible. Not


just from an immigration but there is a threat perspective. There is a


lot of terrorism coming from Somalia. You only have to look at


Kenya recently to see that. Which is why you talk about what we do with


the rest of the spend. It is why it is responsible to work with the


government of Somalia. Should we give more, bigger part of the budget


to disaster relief or not? I think we get it about right, we have to be


flexible and we are. This Philippine relief is on top of the work in


Syria. Where can you show me a correlation between us giving aid to


some failed nation, or nearly failed nation, and that cutting down on


terrorism? If you look at the work we have done in Pakistan, a huge


amount of work. Some of it short-term. It is written by


terrorism. That is -- ridden by terrorism. That is not going to fix


it self in a sense. Look at the work that we do in investing in


education. The things that little girls like Malala talk about as


being absolutely key. We are ramping up our aid to Pakistan, it will be


close to half ?1 billion by the time of the election. Why should British


taxpayers be giving half ?1 billion to a country where only 0.5% of


people in Pakistan pay income tax, and 70% of their own MPs don't pay


income tax. It is a good point and that is why we have been working


with their tax revenue authority to help them increase that and push


forward the tax reform. You are right, and I have setup a team that


will go out and work with many of these countries so they can raise


their own revenues. You really think you will raise the amount of tax by


sending out the British HRM see How many troops I we sending out to


protect them? They don't need troops. We make sure that we have a


duty of care alongside our staff, but we have to respond to any crisis


like the Philippines, and alongside other countries we have two work


alongside them so that they can reinvest in their own public


services. If they can create their own taxes, will we stop paying aid?


We need to look at that but the new Pakistan Government has been very


clear it is a priority and we will be helping them in pursuing that.


Let me show you a picture. Who are these young women? I don't know I'm


sure you are about to tell me. They are the Ethiopian Spice Girls and


I'm surprised you don't know because they have only managed to become so


famous because your department has financed them to the tune of ?4


million. All of the work we do with women on the ground, making sure


they have a voice in their local communities, making sure they have


some control over what happens to their own bodies in terms of


tackling FGM, female genital mutilation... Did you know your


department has spent ?4 million on the Ethiopian Spice Girls? Yes, I


do, and we have to work with girls and show them there is a life ahead


of them with opportunity and potential that goes beyond what many


of them will experience, which includes early and forced marriage.


It is part of the work we do with local communities to change


attitudes everything you have just said is immeasurable, and they


broadcast on a radio station that doesn't reach most of the country so


it cannot have the impact. It only reaches 20 million people and the


project has been condemned saying there were serious inefficiencies.


That aid report was done a while ago now, and it was talking about the


project when it first got going and a lot of improvements have happened


since. I would go back to the point that we are working in very


difficult environments where we are trying to get longer term change on


the ground and that means working directly with communities but also


investing for the long-term, investing in some of these girls


start changing attitudes in them and their communities. Why does the


British taxpayers spend ?5 million on a Bangladesh version of Question


Time? We work with the BBC to make sure we can get accountabilities...


That is bigger then the BBC Question Time Normal -- budget. That includes


the cost of David Dimbleby's tattoo! We are working to improve


people's prospects but also we are working to improve their ability to


hold their governments to account so that when they are not getting


services on the ground, they have ways they can raise those concerns


with the people who are there to deliver services for them. In your


own personal view, should the next Conservative Government, if there is


one, should you continue to ring fence spending on foreign aid? But


it is critical that if we are going to spend 7.7% of our national


income, we should make sure it is in our national interest and that means


having a clear approach to humanitarian responses, in keeping


the country safe, and a clearer approach on helping drive economic


development and jobs so there is a long-term end of the dependency Do


you believe in an shrine in the percentage of our GDP that goes on


foreign aid in law? Yes, and that is a coalition agreement. There have


been a lot of agreements that you are sceptical about ring fencing. We


are focused on shaking up the economy and improving our public


finances. Why haven't you done that? At the end of the day we will be


accountable but we are committed to doing that. You are running out of


time, will you do it? I hope we can find the Parliamentary time, but


even if we don't, we have acted as if that law is in place and we have


already met 0.7% commitment. If you are British voter that doesn't


believe that we should enshrine that in by law, which means that with a


growing economy foreign aid will rise by definition, and if you think


we should be spending less money on the Ethiopian Spice Girls, for whom


should you wrote in the next election? I think we have a very


sensible approach. I don't know what the various party manifestoes.. The


only party who thinks we shouldn't be doing this is UKIP. I think you


have to look at the response to both the Philippines crisis and Children


In Need. Of all the steps we are taking to get the country back on


track, it shows the British people will respond to need when they need


it and it is one of the things that makes Britain's special.


Thank you. "It's always winter but never Christmas" - that's how


doctors describe life inside accident and emergency. The College


of Emergency Medicine have warned that this year could bring the


"worst crisis on record". If that dire prediction comes, expect a


spring of political recriminations, but how prepared are the NHS in


England? And what do they make of this autumnal speculation? Giles has


been to Leeds to find out. This winter has already come to our


hospitals. It had an official start date, November the 3rd. That is when


weekly updates are delivered to the NHS's most senior planners, alerting


them to any sudden changes in patient numbers coming in. Where do


they numbers register most then A They are the barometer for what


is going on everywhere else, and they are the pressure point, so if


the system is beginning to struggle then it is in the A department


that we see the problems. It is not that the problems are the A


departments, but they are the place where it all comes together. Plans


to tackle those problems start being drawn up in May and they look at


trends, even taking notice of any flu epidemics in New Zealand. They


also look at the amount of bets But the weather, economic realities


structural reforms, and changes to the general health of the


population, are all factors they have to consider. We get huge


amounts of information through the winter in order to help the NHS be


the best it can be, but we had to redouble our efforts this year


because we expected to be a difficult winter. We know the NHS is


stretched so we are working hard to be as good as we can be. That means


they are looking at winter staffing levels, plans to ask for help from


neighbouring hospitals, and dovetailing help with GP surgeries,


and still having the ability to move up an extra gear, a rehearsed


emergency plan if the NHS had to face a major disease pandemic. You


spend any time in any of our hospitals and you realise the NHS


knows that winter is coming and they are making plans, but you also get a


palpable feeling amongst health workers across the entire system


that they do get fed up of being used as a political football.


Doctors and all health care professionals are frustrated about


the politics that surrounds the NHS in health care. They go to work to


treat patients as best as they can, and the political knock-about does


not help anyone. I find it frustrating when there is a


commentary that suggests the NHS does not planned, when it is


surprised by winter, and wherever that comes from it is hard to take,


knowing how much we do nationally and how much our hard working front


line staff are doing. When the Coalition have recently tried to


open up the NHS to be a more independent body, it is clear the


NHS feel they have had an unhealthy dose of political wrangling between


parties on policy. The NHS is not infallible or making any guarantees,


but they seem confident that they and their patients can survive the


winter. Joining me now from Salford in the


Shadow Health Secretary, Andy Burnham. Tell me this, if you were


health secretary now, you just took over in an emergency election, what


would you do to avoid another winter crisis? I would immediately halt the


closure of NHS walk-in centres. We heard this week that around one in


four walk-in centres are closed so it makes no sense whatsoever for the


Government to allow the continued closure of them. I would put nurses


back on the end of phones and restore an NHS direct style service.


The new 111 service is not in a position to provide help to people


this winter. I think the time has come to rethink how the NHS care is


particularly for older people so I propose the full integration of


health and social care. It cannot make any sense any more to have this


approach where we cut social care and let elderly people drift to


hospitals in greater numbers. We have two rethink it as a whole


service. So you would repeal some of the Tory reforms and move


commissioning to local authorities so the NHS should brace itself for


another major top-down health reorganisation? No, unlike Andrew


Lansley I will work with the organisations ie inherit. He could


work with primary care trusts but he turned it upside down when it needed


stability. I will not do that but I will repeal the health and social


care act because last week we heard that hospitals and health services


cannot get on and make sensible merger collaborations because of


this nonsense now that the NHS is bound by competition law. Let me get


your views on a number of ideas that have been floated either by the


press or the Coalition. We haven't got much time. Do you welcome the


plan to bring back named GPs for over 75s? Yes, but it has got harder


to get the GP appointment under this Government because David Cameron


scrapped the 48-hour guarantee that Tony Blair brought in. He was


challenged in the 2005 election about the difficulty of getting a GP


appointment, and Tony Blair brought in the commitment that people should


be able to get that within 48 hours. That has now been scrapped.


Do you welcome the idea of allowing everyone to choose their own GP


surgery even if it is not in our traditional catchment area? I


proposed that just before the last election, so yes. Do you welcome the


idea of how a practice is being rated being a matter of public


record, and of us knowing how much, at least from the NHS, our GP earns?


Of course, every political party supports transparency in the NHS.


More information for the public of that kind is a good thing. Do you


welcome this plan to make it will form the collect in an NHS hospital


-- make wilful neglect a criminal offence. It is important to say you


can't pick and mix these recommendations, you can't say we


will have that one and not the others. It was a balanced package


that Sir Robert Francis put forward. My message is that it must be


permitted in full. If we are to learn the lessons, the whole package


must be addressed, and that includes safe staffing levels across the NHS.


Staff have a responsible to two patients at the government also has


responsible at T2 NHS staff and it should not let them work in


understaffed, unsafe conditions -- a responsibility to NHS staff. Is


there a part of the 2004 agreements that you regret and should be


undone? A lot of myths have been built up about the contract. When it


came in, there was a huge shortage of GPs across the country. Some


communities struggle to recruit This myth that the government have


built, that the 2004 GP contract is responsible for the AM decries is,


it is spin of the worst possible kind -- the A crisis. You would


redo that contract? It was redone under our time in government and


change to make it better value for money. GPs should be focused on


improving the health of their patients and that is a very good


principle. Not so great if you can't get 24-hour access. I agree with


that. We brought in evening and weekend opening for GPs. That is


another thing that has gone in reverse under Mr Cameron. It is much


harder to get a GP appointment under him and that is one of the reasons


why A is an oppressor. -- under pressure. What do you make of the


review into intimidatory tactics by unions? If there has been


intimidation, it is unacceptable, and that should apply to unions as


well as employers. Was Unite wrong to turn up and demonstrate? I don't


know the details, this review will look into that presumably. I need


reassurance that this is not a pretty cool call by Mr Cameron on


the designed to appear near the election -- that this is not a


political call. Are you sponsored by unite? No. Do you get any money from


Unite? No. What have you done wrong? It seems others are getting money


from Unite. Can I tell you what I think is the scandal of British


party political funding, two health care companies have given ?1.5


million in donations to the Tory party, they have ?1.5 billion in NHS


contracts. I wonder why you don t spend much time talking about that


and obsess over trade union funding. We are happy to talk about that We


see from e-mails that Mr Miliband's closest advisers regard Mr Ed Balls


as a bit of a nightmare, do you see a bit of a nightmare about him as


well? I don't at all, he is a very good friend. I can't believe that


you are talking about those e-mails on a national political programme.


My goodness, you obviously scraping the barrel today. I have been in


front-line labour politics for 0 years. I can't remember the front


bench and the wider party being as united as it is today and it is a


great credit to Ed Miliband and Ed Balls. We are going into a general


election and we are going to get rid of a pretty disastrous coalition


government. It was worth spending a few seconds to establish your not


having nightmares. Thank you for joining me.


It's just gone 11:30am. You're watching the Sunday Politics. Coming


up in just over 20 minutes, I'll be talking to the MP accused of using


Hello and welcome to the local part of the programme, I'm Etholle


George. Coming up: Mis`spent youth ` what's the cost of cutting local


services for teenagers? I don't know what is going to happen, the latest


crib `` the rate of criminality is so much higher.


Getting tough online. Calls for MPs to do more to stop internet abuse.


The social and moral framework of the digital world does not exist


yet, so there is quite an important role for legislators to play.


And the EU has ?60 billion up for grabs for science and technology `


with the East leading the way. But first, our guests for this week,


George Freeman the Conservative MP for Mid Norfolk answer Bob Russell


the Liberal Democrat MP for Colchester. And I'd like to start in


Colchester again this week where the General Hospital has now officially


been placed in special measures over allegations that staff were


"bullied" into falsifying details about cancer waiting times. In a


public meeting this week the hospital tried to reassure patients.


My Gran had a long time before receiving treatment, too long, that


they should have done a lot better, it should not have been three


months, it should have been the two weeks when she was first told, not


three months later. And now it is becoming inoperable and incurable.


Sir Bob Russell, you keep saying this is a good hospital, they used


all stand by that? It is not acceptable what has gone on, it is


devastating, there is no excuses. The commission should have put the


hospital into special measures on day one, they should not have


waited, prolonging it. The hospital, write across`the`board, people can


have confidence in. We need to come across where the problem is. The


Care Quality Commission has identified... When the hospital was


in trouble over mortality rates, you came out very strongly saying, you


stood by the hospital. Should you not now be joining the call for


resignations? No, I am not quick to join that sort of call. Trying to


link the two is not helpful, and the hospital did not go into special


measures, it was looked at, it was not put in special measures. As a


result of the review, the whistle`blower, we should thank him


or her, identified this. We mustn't blacken the whole hospital. Briefly,


does it so good hospital to you? I think there is a general point here,


the public are beginning to want to see public services working for


them. The data release, we are changing the culture here. The


public are starting to look at the NHS and seeing it as our NHS, we


fund, and I think that is a good thing. Thank you. We've all seen


them hanging around outside shops, young people with nowhere to go.


Well, their number is likely to grow now there are plans to close even


more youth clubs as budgets are slashed. In the East, according to


figures from the House of Commons, between 2010 and 2012 the whole of


youth service budgets have been reduced by nearly ?20 million. All


but two of our councils have made cuts ` with Norfolk losing ?8.5


million. And Cambridgeshire has already made savings of ?1.8 million


and has just agreed another ?350,000 cut. Now Essex is conducting a


consultation on part of its youth services to make another ?3 million


of savings over the next two years. Here's Tom Barton.


This youth club has only been open for three years, and already it is


facing closure, used as a youth club by local youngsters, it also houses


a sexual health clinic, support services and a group of teenage


parents. Harlow has loads of trouble with young people, and the youth


support will just go away, and I do not know what is going to happen,


the rate of criminality will increase so much in Harlow. It is


going to have a really massive negative impact. Local authorities


are required by law to deliver recreational and educational leisure


time activities for young people. But there is a caveat. The only have


to do so as far as is reasonably practicable. Three years ago, Essex


county council use that caveat to cut its youth service budget from


?12 million to ?5 million. If these cuts go ahead, the new budget will


be just ?2 million. All of the county's youth services are under


threat, including 36 youth clubs, used by 5000 young people each


month. Alternative education and support for young carers could also


be cut, as well as the Essex dance Theatre and the council's provision


of the Princes trust. And the Duke of Edinburgh's award scheme. Across


Essex, 4000 young people take part in the Duke of Edinburgh's award,


like these youngsters who have just completed their expeditions. It is


incredibly valuable. They get to build relationships and the


community, they take part in physical activity, they learn new


skills and best of all they go out on expedition and team build. It is


just an amazing experience for them. The Conservative run council has


faced criticism from its own party in parliament. They do remarkable


work, and I cannot believe their future is uncertain because of Essex


county council. The Police and Crime Commissioner has his own concerns. I


am anxious about the fact that provision for youth might be cut,


because I regard it as very important to keep those young people


who might be on that journey towards crime, to keep them diverted from


that. Youth services make quite a difference in that respect. The


plans led to protests at County Hall in Chelmsford. Young people asking


whether anything meaningful can be achieved on a budget that would have


been cut by more than 80% in three years.


Well, joining me now from Chelmsford is the leader of Essex County


Council, David Finch. The budget used to be ?20 million, it's going


down to ?2million after this latest round of cuts. Don't you care about


youth service provision? Absolutely do care about youth services and


provision, but actually we are in a very difficult position. You well


know that we are faced with a ?235 million savings target over the next


three years, in addition to that I have got to find 93 of that 235 next


year. I have also got to look after 36,000 elderly people, either in


residential homes or domiciliary care. I have got a thousand young


children who are in need of our care and protection. There are huge


pressures on our cost base, and it isn't just an Essex, it is across


the entire country, there are pressures on our costs. If I could


find a way of protecting youth service, I would do so.


We heard in the film that you are required by law to provide


recreational and leisure activities for young people, so you're feeling


in your duty of your going to cut your services by so much? It's very


easy to say we are failing in our duty. I would argue that we are not


failing. We are doing many things that are ground`breaking in terms of


looking after young people with poor social impact bond. I would argue ``


our social impact bond. We are helping them learn the skills that


would make them employable in the future. We have a scheme which is


better than even the government's own scheme. The choice is very


simple. I have a limited budget, I need to spend that budget in the


best way possible for the greater benefit of Essex residents. You


heard in the film, a young person in Harlow saying that this will lead to


an increase in crime in the town, and the PCC agrees. What do you say


to that? You're robbing Peter to pay all? I understand the emotion behind


the Harlow young people, and I understand the concern by the Police


and Crime Commissioner. We have to find savings across. We are out to


consultation, that consultation does not finish until the end of this


month, the 20th of this month, on the basis of the feedback that we


get we will look at how we can model the services for the use of this


county. But the consultation in itself is not about whether the


services are being cut, it is about what services are being cut, things


like the Duke of Edinburgh scheme. Surely that is counter`productive?


We are not cutting anything at this point in time. What we are seeking


through the consultation process is establishing exactly what it is that


the use of the county values, and then how can we provide that service


to the youth within a very different budget profile. RTE sending a


message to young people that the book `` that they don't matter? The


amount of effort and focus that we are putting into the young of Essex


is paralleled around the country. I think we are absolutely concerned


about the youth of Essex, that they get the best possible chances, and


we put significant money into helping young people with emotional


problems, on the edge of care. Young people who want to find jobs, how


we're helping them train. I would not agree at all but we are doing


anything which is to harm the youth of our cut `` the youth of our


country. We are going to have to leave it there. Thank you very much


for joining us. Sir Bob Russell, what message do you think the sense


to young people? A deplorable message. Essex county council has


millions of pounds in reserves, it is all a question of political will


and political leadership. Essex county council once had a proud


record. It is abandoning young people. You are in a position as an


Essex MP to join with other MPs. Are you going to do that? Absolutely. We


must value our young people. Fancy attacking your own government. Even


attacking royal sponsored and backed schemes. This is quite remarkable.


It reinforces my view that we should abolish Essex county council. George


Freeman, what about in Norfolk? Norfolk has been subject to strong


cuts as well. It is a real problem. Youngsters growing up in isolated,


cut off towns, they are coming out with big debts, facing out the #


facing an economy coming out from a traumatic crisis. Nobody wants to


make cuts, we are all paying the price for a decade of Labour


profligacy. Are you comfortable with these cuts? No. Eric Pickles has led


the way with huge back`office savings. I want to see our councils


drive forward, more so. Why are we still running eight chief executive


's? We should not be cutting on the front line, the most vulnerable in


society. What about the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme, not the most


vulnerable in society? It gives a lot of young people and experience


of life which sets them up for life. When I took part in the Duke of


Edinburgh award scheme, I did get the gold award, it works better for


me when I went for a job interview than my academic qualifications.


Once the economy recovers, will they ever get the services back? Yes.


Here in Norfolk county council, the Conservative administration was


setting up a really bold programme so we could protect front line


services. The question now is what are they going to do to manage the


budget? Can they actually manage ?1 billion a year of funding? They have


already cut them to this low level. The to try to get them back towards


what they used to be. Thank you very much. Now, internet safety, cyber


bullying and online child pornography, all issues giving rise


to increasing concern, and politicians are under increasing


pressure to do something about them. Tomorrow a summit will be held at


Downing Street to discuss what's the best way of cleaning up the


internet. Playing a major role at the conference will be an


organisation from Cambridgeshire. Andrew Sinclair reports.


In an office on a Cambridge research Park, four people are analysing


images from the World Wide Web. This is the Internet Watch Foundation,


which receives 40,000 complaints a year about pictures of alleged child


abuse. So graphic as the content, the staff have to have regular


counselling. They also do not want their faces shown on television. I


see horrific things on a day`to`day basis. It can be disheartening to


know how much content there is out there. I have got two choices, I can


either be part of the solution or I can be pretending it is not there.


And I know it is there, I know there is a fair amount of it out there,


and I want to help. If they find a UK website hosting illegal images it


can be closed down within the hour. If it is overseas, they can block it


in this country, but getting the image removed can take much longer.


Last year we removed just over 10,000 URLs. It is a global issue,


and of people did what we did, there would be nowhere for this to hide.


Our other countries taking it seriously as we are? It depends from


country to country. In some countries it is just not on the


agenda. I always say, it is not just a drop in the ocean, that is no


reason not to do anything. Tackling child pornography will be just one


of the items on the agenda for tomorrow's summit. But two other


difficult issues will also feature. First of all, how do you restrict


what children view on the Internet? MPs who studied this issue are


clear, it is up to the industry to put in proper filters, and parents.


It is a question about educating people about the measures which can


be taken. And then giving them a choice so they have to make the


deliberate decision. You have to accept that the material we are


talking about in this case is illegal. But obviously children


should be protected from it, and ultimately that would bear


responsibility for parents. Then there is the worrying rise in cyber


bullying among young people. The industry says it is doing all it can


but it is also looking for politicians for guidance. The social


and moral framework for the digital world does not exist yet. There is


quite an important role for legislators to play in thinking


through where are the absolute black and white rules that we need to put


in place. I wish I could say that there was a magic bullet, there


really isn't. We are the generation that has to think through each of


these issues. The summit will announce extra funding to help this


group continue its work. That is an easy way to make the Internet safer.


Dealing with other aspects of this issue are far more complicated.


George Freeman, you are a member of the Internet Watch Foundation, in


general terms do you not think that politicians are not helping enough,


they are behind the curve, and instead of volleying `` following


they are `` instead of following `` instead of leading the following? My


colleagues have led the way in the past year, and we have set in place


a scheme agreeing with industry or protection of children within the


homes, so that every device in the home can be covered by an opt out.


This is leadership. No one wants is to get heavy`handed, to try and


overly regulate a clamp`down. We have to protect children in a family


environment from material on the Internet is that we don't want to


see. I have children, I want them to be on the Internet and learning and


engaging. But I want to know that they are being protected. Sir Bob


Russell, how much of this should be down to the parents? Should it be


down to the Internet providers? I think it is down to the Internet


providers. I agree with the point is that George is making, this is


technology that is way beyond my knowledge. I have the comprehension


of the awfulness going on, but I value MPs like George who are ahead


of the game in one sense, politically ahead of the game. But


as somebody who doesn't understand the modern technology, and I put my


hands up, I don't, and oldest Twitter bullying `` all of this


Twitter bullying, we have to clamp`down on it, to my mind it is


worse than bullying in the street. This is difficult to do any


unilateral way, though. We can do everything we can, but it just goes


abroad? That's true. You want to know that children can logon and do


their homework, and they are safe from all of this. How do we cope


with this globalisation of content online? My instinct would be, be


open with children and have the conversation. I went to a school in


my constituency yesterday where their policy is bringing your


devices, there is Internet in the school, they can switch off all


Internet access at a switch. We have to leave it there. Thank you. Well,


they're back in the jungle tonight but the fall out from last year's


escapade continues. All in Deborah McGurran's 60 second round up of the


week. Plans for an East`West rail link


have been confirmed now that funding has been confirmed. More funding


from the EU, expected to improve ?60 billion for science and to research


next week. MPs say a lot of the money is likely to come to a region.


It is a huge amount of money, a lot of that comes into the East of


England. The Conservative MP Nadine Dorries delivered a speedy apology


to the House of Commons after failing to register how much money


she made from her appearance on a reality TV show. I wish to apologise


to the house filly and unreservedly for what was a genuinely inadvertent


breach of the rules. At two of Colchester offered on eBay had no


takers. `` at tour. What about this huge boost for


science funding? It is great news. My message has been, East Anglia has


always been treated as a rule backwater, give us the tools and we


will give you the growth. This investment can unlock huge growth


here. Is the space race the right thing to be spending it on?


Stevenage is ahead quarters `` at headquarters of space technology. We


can really create new jobs for the next 20, 30, 40 years. This spending


is hugely exciting. Your wok has now taken off, there have been some


takers. Yes, seven now. It is hilarious. I am not complaining. One


of my political rivals gave it out, absolute ridicule, but it is


brilliant. All the Roman history and the house where twinkle twinkle


Little Star was written. What a bargain. It is up to ?100. We will


have to leave it there. Thank you very much.


That's all from us. We're back next week at our usual time but for now


it's back week at our usual time but for now


receiving it. We will return to this if we hear more. Thank you. Andrew,


it is back to you. Who'd be an MP? It's a good


question. Certainly something Mark Pritchard must have asked himself


when his picture graced the front page of the Daily Telegraph, with


allegations that he had offered to set up business deals overseas in


return for hundreds of thousands of pounds. Mr Pritchard dismissed the


claims as hurtful and wrong. He referred himself to the


Parliamentary Standards Commissioner who has now said there is


insufficient evidence to investigate. In a moment we'll talk


to Mr Pritchard, but first let's take a look back at how the story


unfurled. A Conservative MP has denied allegations that he used his


Parliamentary contacts for financial gain... The daily Telegraph says


Mark Pritchard offered to broker investments overseas. In a statement


he said the allegations made by the Telegraph are false. Mr Pritchard


was secretly filmed... What do you make of these allegations? He has


referred himself to the Parliamentary Commissioner for


standards to clear his name and I suspect this story will reopen the


debate about what MPs should be allowed, having business interests


elsewhere. Is it not clear that you did ask for money in consultancy


services? First of all I would like to apologise for the sunglasses I


have had a lot of comments about that. On a serious point, these


claims by the Telegraph of false. You didn't ask for ?3000? They are


false, hurtful and malicious. It is known widely that I have sued the


Telegraph previously. I have also been critical of their coverage of


the plebgate affair, their reporting of that. I have been supportive of


the cross-party Royal Charter and I know that some people in the media


don't like my position on that. That is why it is malicious. I believe in


a free press. That free press also has a responsibility to be fair


accurate and lawful. In discussions with this business who turned out to


be a Telegraph reporter, it is true that you ask for ?3000 a month


consultancy fee. The point is.. That is the point. No. That video


has been cut and pasted to serve the Telegraph's story. The story was


that we want to get Mark Bridger, for whatever reason, at any cost. --


Mark Bridger hard. I would not go down the line they were hoping I


would go down. Everything I own outside of Parliament is openly


declared. We are allowed to have outside witness interests. The


Telegraph need to say clearly whether they accept that or they


don't. I think you need to say clearly whether you asked for the


money or not. You then went on to ask for ?300,000 if it was a 10


million deal, you asked for 3% commission. Let me be clear, if I


was asking for income in return for lobbying, or raising issues in


Parliament, or setting up Parliamentary groups, or going to


ministers, writing to ministers that would be completely


inappropriate. I was approached by somebody to advise them on business.


It is entirely proper and entirely within the rules for members of


Parliament to have outside consultancies and interests. Did you


or didn't you? I am answering the question in the way that I want to


answer it, not in the way that fits a particular narrative. The


narrative, unfortunately, of some parts of the Telegraph and to be


fair, there are some very good journalists, I know there is a


dispute about the direction of that paper at senior parts. Do they want


to return to being a Catholic, objective newspaper or do they want


to slip into the slippery slope of being an agnostic rag, looking for


sensationalist headlines? Part of this has come from your membership


of these all-party Parliamentary groups. You were in Malta when you


are first approached, I think you were on a trip there, Hungary is


another one, there is an uncomfortable overlap between your


political and business interests. I have no business interests in any of


those countries. Some of the country is the Telegraph mentioned, let me


be clear, I have not even visited. You were boasting that you knew the


Albanian Prime Minister and the Mayor of Teheran and the previous


prime minister. I make no apology for making foreign trips. I think it


is unfortunate we have a narrative developing in some parts of the


press that if a politician goes abroad at the taxpayers expense it


is wrong. If they go abroad at a host government's expense it is


wrong. If they go abroad with a charity, NGO and private company,


even if it is declared, it is wrong. We want people with an international


perspective in Parliament. Look at this map. You are a member of 5


country groups. I don't know what Canada has done not to deserve you,


or Australia. 54 groups, you are a part of. You're like... This is the


Mark Pritchard British Empire. That is very kind. If I had global


interests that white I would not be in Parliament. No, no, no. That is


the point... It is the suspicion, that you used these groups to drum


up business for your consultants. Prove it, that is the trouble. These


sorts of headlines, create suspicion. I am suing the


Telegraph... Have you issued a writ? I expect an apology. Have you issued


a writ? I have just answered your question. It is yes or no, have you


issued a writ? I am in final legal discussions tomorrow about issuing a


writ. You have raised something for top the fact is that is inaccurate.


I am a member of 40-something Parliamentary groups, of which I


make no apology. We have got 54 Let me answer the question if I may It


would be very useful. There are 196 countries around the world, it is


less than a quarter of the country groups on my figures. I make no


apology. One of my regrets is not having visited Syria, I don't know


if I am a member of the Syria group, part I should become a member, I


make no apology. -- perhaps I should become. When it came to the Syria


vote, I was blind sided foot of yes, we have excellent briefings. I had


to make a judgement based on part knowledge with nothing beats being


on the ground, as even BBC journalists recognised this week.


Nothing beats being on the ground. You posted about your connections in


Albania to getting a business contract. You meet these people


through these all Parliamentary groups. That is where there is an


unhealthy overlap. That is what the Telegraph said, let's wait and see.


Look... You are a newspaperman, you know lots of people in the newspaper


industry, as well as being a respected broadcaster. I am not


going to prejudice my legal proceedings against the Telegraph. I


make no apology. A good politician has to be local am a national and


international. Hang on hang on - has to be local, national and


international. We need politicians who get out of the Westminster


bubble, who have a business hinterland, who keep their foot in


the real world and have an international perspective. And ask


for 3% commission? I have answered the question. It was a cut and


pasted video, photo shopped to suit the agenda of the Telegraph. They


need to get back to serious news reporting and I wish those well at


the senior part of the Telegraph who want to get to those days. We look


forward to the writ. Thank you. Now - there's been more good news on


the economy for George Osborne this week - inflation's down, growth


forecasts have been revised up and unemployment has fallen again. On


Friday the former Bullingdon boy donned a head torch and went down't


pit for just one of many photo opportunities ahead of the Autumn


Statement, which he'll deliver in the Commons on fifth December. And,


who knows, he might even take his hard hat off for that.


# Going underground. # Let the boys all saying and let


the boys all shout for tomorrow # Lah, lah, love, love.


# I talk and talk until my head explodes.


# Make this boy shout, make this boy scream.


# Going underground. # Going underground.


# I'm going underground. # I'm going underground.


George Osborne in his heart out he probably sleeps with it on. This


Autumn Statement is becoming a more important part of the political


calendar for the coalition. It looks like this is where they are finally


going to come up with some kind of response to Ed Miliband's game


changing electricity price freeze. The idea which is mooted is they


will move people's green tax on two general bills which is not an answer


but cosmetically it could have apolitical impact. George Osborne is


receiving a lot of representations from lobby groups, business, MPs on


his own side, for tax cuts and extra bits spending and he has to spend


the next two weeks reminding people of something that has been skewered


by the economic recovery. This country has a fiscal deficit which


is twice that of France, supposedly the crisis economy in western Europe


or if you accept it will take another parliament again to


eliminate this deficit, we are not even halfway through the age of


austerity. He is in no position to give anything away. He has to hold


the line. Danny Alexander has been useful but this is his real


challenge. He is going to give stuff away. When the Autumn Statement


comes away, 15 months from an election, Nick Clegg has been


talking about raising the tax allowance threshold even further,


talk of moving green levies of the electricity bills, he is going to


give stuff away. We will get funding for free school meals that Nick


Clegg mentioned in his party conference. The significance of the


Autumn Statement is twice a year, a Chancellor stands up and we all look


at the state of the economy. If you talk to members of the Chancellor's


circle, it is interesting how nervous they are. They say, don t


assume we are going to have this wonderful growth for ever, don't


assume everything is fine in the eurozone. I think what would help


the Chancellor is if somebody was able to see some of that humility in


public. It is recognised that he was far too triumphalist


speech he made on the 9th of September, when he said to Ed Balls,


we have one and you cannot make an economic policy on the cost of


living -- we have... Won. economic policy on the cost of


people don't seem to learn from Norman Lamont's green shoots. Labour


has moved from complaining there is no growth, now there is, to say


has moved from complaining there is is gross but living standards are


not rising. If the economy grows by nearly 3% next year, even the bank


is saying it will grow by 2.8%, living standards could start to


rise. It does but everybody in a difficult position politically if


the economy starts growing, ironically. We need to remind


ourselves that economy, the natural direction of an economy is to grow.


Unless the politicians screw up Unless you have some idiot in


charge! It is not a cause for the Morris dance that they seem to be


doing, certainly on the Tory side. Osborne is put in a difficult


position goes he will have to stop giving stuff away, he cannot push


the austerity line at the same time as jangling his magical growth - he


will have to start giving stuff away. It puts Labour in a difficult


position, it is very unlikely that living standards will match GDP Not


since 2003, GDP has been a great indicator. Wages have stagnated for


ten years, food has gone up 17% energy has gone up 24%. That is a


decade in which everybody has got poorer. The real sweet spot comes


when wages start to outstrip inflation. It is a sweet spot and


will be a huge challenge for Ed Miliband. As ever on the economy


with a sweet spot, you have a danger moment because that is when the


governor of the Bank of England will have to look at interest rates.


Everything he was saying last week was when we move toward 7%


unemployment come that is not the trigger for raising interest rates,


it is the moment when we look at it. Everything was saying he did not


want to do that. When do you anticipate wages outstripping


inflation? It hasn't happened for so long. The second half of next year.


Wages and prices are not the sole measure of living standards, there


are broader measures which no one seems willing to use.


That's all for today. The Daily Politics will be back at tomorrow at


midday on BBC Two and I will back here on BBC One at 11:00am next


week. Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics.


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