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Afternoon. Welcome to the Sunday politics. It is decision day for | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
Greece as the country goes to the polls for the second time this year. | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
The result will determine Greek membership of the Euro and could | :00:54. | :01:01. | |
plunge Europe into economic chaos. That is our top story. During the | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
first Gulf war, Britain sent 53,000 troops to the Middle East along | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
with hundreds of tanks. Could we field anything like that kind of | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
firepower again? I'll be speaking to Philip Hammond in the Sunday | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
interview. And we have had Prime Minister | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
after Prime Minister after Deputy Prime Minister giving evidence to | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
the Leveson Inquiry this week. But his Levison creating a chilly | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
atmosphere towards freedom of speech? | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
All that and the best political panel in the business, looking | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
forward to the week ahead and tweeting like Levison stenographers | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
throughout the programme. In London, is at the end of social | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
housing as we know it? Can the capital's shortage of affordable | :01:50. | :02:00. | |
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homes only be tackled if tenants pay significantly more rent? | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
All that coming up but first the news. | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
Good afternoon. Voters in Greece are taking part in the second | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
election in six weeks. The outcome of which could determine if the | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
country stays in the Eurozone. The main contenders have pledged to | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
renegotiate Greece's international bail-out but Angela Merkel has | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
urged voters to choose a government which will stand by previous | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
commitments to cut Greece's huge national debt. This report contains | :02:30. | :02:37. | |
some flash photography. Meet the left wing's Alexis Tsipras. | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
An unknown a month ago. He wants the terms of Greece's bail-out | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
radically changed. That is why Europe's leaders fear that he will | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
lead Greece out of the Euro. One former Prime Minister here said | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
that if that happened, the whole of Europe would suffer. That has | :02:56. | :03:06. | |
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created ripe ground for populism, racist parties, neo-fascist parties | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
and an extreme political views, which will, not only in Greece but | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
in other countries, tear apart the fabric, the values on which the | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
European Union is based. Thought by vote, this could be the most | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
significant moments yet in the Eurozone debt crisis. Greeks do not | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
see this as a referendum on Euro membership. For them, it is a | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
choice between competing visions of how best to rescue this country's | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
economy. Before the El-Saoud world, a vote for the Left would create | :03:38. | :03:44. | |
great uncertainty and fear. -- but for the outside world. | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
Europe would be more comfortable with Antonis Samaras. He also wants | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
the bail-out terms to be changed. But whoever takes power, Greece | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
will still be hundreds of billions in debt. It will still be a problem | :03:58. | :04:05. | |
for Europe and the world. Polls have opened immediate for a | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
second and final day of voting to let the country's first President | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
since Hosni Mubarak was forced from office. Egyptians are choosing | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
between a conservative Islamist and the former Prime Minister from the | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
former regime. Some Egyptians have been calling for voters to ignore | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
the elections or spoil their ballot papers because of a lack of choice. | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
The Government is expected to announce a contract for work on the | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
next generation of nuclear submarines this week. The deal as | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
part of plans to replace the fleet which carries the Trident nuclear | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
deterrent. The work will be carried out at the Rolls-Royce factory in | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
Derby, safeguarding 300 jobs. The International Olympic Committee | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
is investigating claims that officials from more than 50 | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
countries have been caught offering tickets to the London 2012 games on | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
the black market. The Sunday Times claimed they have evidence of | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
thousands of tickets being sold illegally for up to 10 times their | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
face five. The Paper secretly filmed agents from member countries | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
offering the tickets to undercover journalists. | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
Part of an outdoor stage has collapsed before a concert by the | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
band Radiohead in Canada, killing a ban. Another man suffered head | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
injuries. -- killing a man. The band was not on stage at the time | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
and the concert was cancelled. More news here on BBC One at 6 | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
o'clock. The Greeks are voting as we speak | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
and the Poles make it neck and neck between the conservative New | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
democracy party, he says it is a choice between keeping the Euro and | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
going back to the drachma, and the anti- austerity party who say that | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
they can have their cake and eat it. Live to Athens. Matthew Price is | :05:44. | :05:51. | |
there. If the hard-left party wins and forms the next government, is | :05:51. | :05:58. | |
if their intention to rip up the bail-out and see what happens? | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
think that is the crucial point. We have seen SYRIZA's platform changed | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
markedly since I was here six weeks ago. Then, Alexis Tsipras was | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
saying that they would repay up the agreement. But now he has become | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
more nuanced. He is saying that Angela Merkel will have someone | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
next to her who will not say yes all the time. In essence, they are | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
saying that if we stick to the terms of the bail-out as it exists, | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
Greece will be forced out of the Euro. He is saying that he does not | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
want that and Greece does not want that. He is talking in a more | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
nuanced way about radically changing the terms of the bail-out | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
but not ripping it up. If the centre-right wins tonight, they | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
will attempt to renegotiate the bail-out package? They will not rip | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
it up but they will attempts to get better terms? I was talking to | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
their top economics adviser who said he wants to turn the argument | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
on his head, in his words, he said austerity is killing this country, | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
that what is needed first is Investment and then austerity. I | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
said, well, actually, in that sense you are speaking almost as | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
radically as the left. Laddie said, not at all. The Left want to carry | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
out some very damaging economic policies, he said. He claims that | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
the right, New democracy, would wish to press ahead with Europe as | :07:24. | :07:32. | |
the Belletti exists. But in his words, turn it on its head. If the | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
left when, the market will be in turmoil which will have | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
repercussions for her at Spain and Italy and beyond, because they have | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
been sold this line from Angela Merkel that a vote for the left is | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
a boat out of the role. In the same time -- at the same time, voting | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
for the right is still, in Greek eyes, a vote to significantly | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
change the terms of the bail-out. Whoever forms the next government, | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
this country is still billions of Euros in debt and relies on | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
emergency funding. If it has a government that is going to change | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
the terms of the bail-out agreement, will Europe go along with that or | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
will Europe decides to cut graceless? Briefly, if they do not | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
get another large cheque, when will be run out of money? -- cut Greece | :08:19. | :08:27. | |
loose. In a sense, it is a moot point. In reality, next month, they | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
need the next tranche of funding next month. The reason I say it is | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
a moot point, my impression talking to people in Brussels and Berlin | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
and elsewhere, the irony about all of this is that nobody wants Greece | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
to leave the Euro. They do not want them to leave the Euro in Brussels | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
and Berlin. Greeks certainly do not want to leave. The pressure is | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
higher on Greece and Dromore leaders in Europe who say that | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
maybe there comes a point in the future where we have to cut them | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
loose. In reality, they run out of money next month but I imagine in | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
the way that we have seen so far, barring any accidents, if there is | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
fudging to be done, Europe will carry it out. They will muddle | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
through, and find some way of supplying Greece with money while | :09:11. | :09:19. | |
they sort out the political mess. I am joined by Richard Jeffrey and | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
David Marsh, an investment banker and author of 'The Euro -- The | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
Politics of the New Global Currency'. | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
If Greece votes for the centre- right, the crisis continues to run | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
along. If it votes for the hard left, it probably brings it to a | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
head. What will be better for Greece? This is a crisis that has | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
been 10 years in the making. It is wrong to see one political that as | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
an event that is a defining moment. I am not sure that the different | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
outcomes of the election will have a meaningfully different | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
implication for the outlook for Greece. In the end, Greece will | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
probably be forced to leave the Euro. That might happen faster or | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
slower. I suppose that if the Left Party get in and tries to force the | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
issue with Brussels faster, then it actually could hasten Greece's exit. | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
What would be better? I think it would be better for Greece to leave. | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
It would be better for Greece to get back on its own two feet. | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
also think it would be better if Greece was to leave. Two votes for | :10:27. | :10:35. | |
the hard left. They are not that different. Samaras is no friend of | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
austerity. He has done bad things. You have to put it in a wider | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
context. You have to look at what the critical countries are saying. | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
Everyone expects that the Germans will come running to the rescue | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
like a general appearing after an uprising 4th, but that is not going | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
to happen and this is not a bluff. The Germans are saying that if you | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
want to have fiscal union, you are going to have to give up fiscal | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
authority. That concerns France. I agree with Richard, it goes further | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
than Greece. If Greece goes and it creates a financial crisis, we know | :11:13. | :11:20. | |
that Spain and Italy and maybe France a week. -- are weak. Is | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
there a firewall and place big enough to stop contagion? The point | :11:24. | :11:32. | |
is, the far wall should be in place by now. So there isn't? Potentially, | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
there is. The problem is the French banking system, it is not Italy and | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
Spain. What the ECB will have to do if Greece pulls out his insure that | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
there is sufficient liquidity in the system and they have to get | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
absolute support for those measures from the Germans. It is the Germans | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
who are reluctant at the moment. That is natural because it is a | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
redistribution of German wealth that is demanded if the Euro is | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
going to survive. George Osborne says that we are not powerless in | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
the face of the Eurozone debt storm. Do you believe them? Does a team | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
the in the British government? -- does he mean that the British | :12:12. | :12:20. | |
government. Clare Liberton as a few less limitations. -- clearly | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
Britain has. I do not know why they are telling the Germans they have | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
to do something. I think that shows a lack of power and imagination and | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
understanding. What Britain is doing is staying on the sidelines, | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
and offering advice from time to time. It should actually do more to | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
shore up the economy, not just against Eurozone weakness but | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
against home-grown weakness. I think the attempt to make the Euro | :12:46. | :12:53. | |
area the scapegoat for Britain's economic ills is pathetic. At the | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
British -- we see a storm coming. It could be severe. It could be a | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
tornado. Have we done enough to Batten down the hatches? I think we | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
took the wrong policy decisions earlier on in this crisis. I think | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
when fiscal policy was changed, the Government should have focused on | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
expenditure and less on taxation. That is water on -- under the | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
bridge. Has he done enough to keep the economy going? What was done in | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
the Mansion House speech was helpful, undoubtedly, but I think | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
when we first had quantitative easing, the Bank of England should | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
have focused on getting liquidity into the private sector rather than | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
buying government debt. They should have been buying packages of loans | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
from smaller companies and forcing liquidity into the areas of the | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
economy that we are going to rely on for growth. In a sentence, or | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
will we be in a week? We will be where we are now with posturing, | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
argy-bargy and threats. -- where will we be. But we will be nearer | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
to the moment of truth, which will be for Greece to leave. We are in | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
the sawtooth of a crisis and there are many more teeth that we're | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
going to have to travel over. Two big news stories this morning | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
related to defence. First, the MoD is investing heavily in nuclear | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
reactors for a new generator -- a generation of nuclear submarines, | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
which is seen as further confirmation that the Tories are | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
committed to like-for-like replacement of tried and despite | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
the opposition of coalition colleagues. The second story, there | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
is a lot of talk about which historic Army regiments might face | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
the axe in the next round of Government defence cuts. Cuts to | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
which our Sunday interview guest is about to put his pen. Philip | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
Hammond took up his role as defence minister in October last year. | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
Following the resignation of Liam Fox. In his new brief, he is | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
responsible for overseeing the biggest cuts to the armed forces in | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
decades. The coalition's Strategic Defence and Security Review means | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
that the number of full-time troops in the British Army will fall from | :15:07. | :15:14. | |
over 101,000 in 2010 to just over 82,000 by 2017. There will also be | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
big cuts to the RAF and Navy. There MoD is hoping that the Territorial | :15:18. | :15:25. | |
Army will provide 30,000 deplorable reserves to make up the difference. | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
But with trips to meshed, could the UK still stage major foreign | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
operations? -- troops diminished. How seriously will be taken on the | :15:33. | :15:43. | |
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Philip Hammond is our Sunday Interview. | :15:43. | :15:52. | |
You were about to give a �1 billion go-ahead to new nuclear reactors | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
for our nuclear deterrent. You have decided to keep Trident, haven't | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
you? What we are going to be announcing is a commitment to the | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
major refurbishing of the plant at Rolls-Royce in Derby which builds | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
these core reactors, not just for the nuclear deterrent submarines, | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
but also for our attack submarines, the Astute class. This is | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
maintaining a sovereign capability in the UK. It means the Lib Dems | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
are wasting their time looking for alternatives to Trident, you have | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
made your mind up? The Government's policy is clear. We are committed | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
to maintaining a credible nuclear deterrent. We are placing orders | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
now - we announced �350 million a couple of weeks ago for design | :16:44. | :16:51. | |
phase work - we are placing orders now for the long-lead items. The | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
actual decision to go ahead and build them won't have to be taken | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
until 2016 and what we are doing at the moment is ordering the things | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
that have to be ordered now to give us that option. In your view, is | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
there anything credible that is an alternative to Trident? We have | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
done a review of options and value for money of the Trident programme. | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
That concluded that replacing the Vanguard submarines and continuing | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
with Trident was the best-value solution to maintaining a nuclear | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
deterrent. The Liberal Democrats wanted to have another look, look | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
at some emerging technologies. Nick Harvey, the Armed Forces Minister, | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
is leading a review to look at whether there are any... You are | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
going ahead with everything that needs to be done to replace | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
Trident? We are carrying on with the Government's policy. We are | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
doing that is in the critical path to make sure when we get to 2016 we | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
can make that decision and all the long-lead items will have been | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
ordered. If you weren't making this massive investment in Trident, you | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
wouldn't have to slash our Armed Forces to their smallest level for | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
300 years, would you? The overall defence programme consists of a | :18:00. | :18:07. | |
number of different parts - an equipment programme, the nuclear | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
element and the manpower budget. will be smaller - if you spent it | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
on the Armed Forces, you wouldn't have to slash the Army? Similarly, | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
if you look back a few years, the Government, the previous Government, | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
was not spending enough on equipment for the Army in | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
Afghanistan, for protective equipment and the money was being | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
spent on maintaining larger force level. What we have done is looked | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
at how we can have a sustainable force that meets Britain's needs in | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
the future on the basis that we must equip our Armed Forces | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
properly. Whatever level of force we ultimately decide to have, we | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
have got to be able to provide the protective equipment and the proper | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
fighting equipment that that Army needs. Let's look at what the | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
Conservatives said before the election. This is Liam Fox to the | :18:57. | :19:07. | |
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Let's see what the Prime Minister Why are you abolishing five | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
battalions? We haven't said what the structure of the Army will be, | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
that is a work that we haven't concluded yet. You are cutting | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
numbers by 20,000? The quotes are from 2007. I think most people will | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
have noticed the world is a radically different place from 2007. | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
We have had the biggest economic crisis that we have faced since the | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
Second World War, we have had a massive fiscal problem that has to | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
be addressed. Indeed, it was Liam Fox that said that the fiscal | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
crisis is one of the biggest strategic challenges facing Britain. | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
Regardless of the deficit - I understand the problem with the | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
deficit - regardless of that, if the Army was too small in 2007, | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
it's going fob way too small after you have done your -- going to be | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
way too small after you have done your cuts, that is logical, isn't | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
it? The defence has to make a contribution to the fiscal | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
consolidation to getting the size of the deficit down so we can build | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
a sustainable economy for the future. If the question is would I | :20:28. | :20:35. | |
like to have a bigger Army, of course I would. What we are doing, | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
and the Armed Forces are engaged in this process in a very mature way, | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
is working within the resource envelope that we have got to create | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
a force which will deliver Britain's needs in future, be | :20:47. | :20:53. | |
adaptable, flexible, highly-mobile and deployable and proper he I | :20:53. | :20:59. | |
quipped. We don't have any -- properly equipped. We don't have | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
any more of those stories that we were getting in 2007/8 that the | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
troops didn't have the equipment to do the job. You are not cutting the | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
deficit in every department. What is the logic you pour billions more | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
into international aid while slashing the British Army by | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
19,000? The Government made a commitment to reach the 0.7%... | :21:19. | :21:26. | |
made a commitment to have a bigger Army, Mr Hammond? But we also | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
believe that intervening early to prevent conflict, to prevent the | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
pressures that cause conflict and that cause threat to our national | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
security is very much in our national interest. Our aid | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
programme is being reconfigured so it focuses on those areas where | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
instability represents a threat to us. In Pakistan, in the Horn of | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
Africa, in places where the problems that we are seeing in | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
those countries have a direct security impact on this country. | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
understand that. It is an important part of our security. I'm glad you | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
mentioned Pakistan. The fact is we are cutting back our military | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
substantially but we are giving aid to countries like Pakistan and | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
India with massive and expanding military machines. What is the | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
logic of that? Well, our aid programme to India is being reduced. | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
It is now very concentrated. are giving �280 million this year, | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
next year and in 2014/15. You are giving money to countries with huge | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
military machines and yet, you are cutting our own military? In the | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
case of India, it's an aid programme that is running down and | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
it's focused in one area, on Non- Governmental Organisations with the | :22:42. | :22:49. | |
primary focus in education. In the case of Pakistan, the threat to the | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
UK's future security from instability in Pakistan is very | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
significant and seeking to intervene to help to stabilise the | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
situation in Pakistan, particularly again in the area of education, | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
poverty eradication, is critically important to the UK's security. We | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
also have a very significant programme of military co-operation | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
with Pakistan, helping the Pakistanis to deal with the | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
terrorist threat that they face. Could we ever mount another Iraq | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
War? Certainly not on our own. but making a major contribution? | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
Yes, we will be able to make a major contribution as an ally in a | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
broad-based alliance to carry out a major sustained operation. That is | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
the way... We had 15,000 men last time. We couldn't do that? | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
wouldn't be able to put 53,000 men... 300 tanks? We would still - | :23:44. | :23:50. | |
not 300 tanks either. We would be able to make a major contribution | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
to the operation. The Americans don't think so. They don't think we | :23:54. | :24:00. | |
could make a major contribution any more. We could do intelligence and | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
Special Forces. Other than that, they don't need us? I don't think | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
that is true. The Americans are generally very complimentary about | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
the quality of UK forces and the contribution that we deliver to a | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
combined operation. Look, we have forces much smaller than the | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
American forces. America spends nearly half of all the world's | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
defence spending. It is overwhelmingly the largest military | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
force on the face of the planet. We are not comparing ourselves with | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
the Americans. Our forces, even after the changes announced in the | :24:35. | :24:42. | |
SDSR 2010, will be, after the Americans, among the most effective, | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
deployable military forces in the world. Let's look at Syria. If a | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
decision was made by the UN or NATO to enforce a no-fly zone, what | :24:51. | :24:58. | |
capabilities, what resources could we contribute? Well, the UK has a | :24:58. | :25:05. | |
fast-jet capability, Tornadoes and Typhoon aircraft... No aircraft | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
carriers? We have an airbase in Cyprus which would give us the | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
capability to mount any operations in the eastern Mediterranean that | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
we wanted to mount. A part of your strategy involves cutting full-time | :25:17. | :25:22. | |
troops, replacing them with the reservists. This is what the UK | :25:22. | :25:32. | |
:25:32. | :25:38. | ||
national Defence Association had to The experts don't think you can | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
compensate your cuts in the regular forces by boosting the reservists? | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
The experts are in the British Army and they do think that The | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
Territorial Army can play a much more significant role. Under the | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
last Government, training budgets for The Territorial Army was cut. | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
We broke the covenant between the TA and the reservists who joined up | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
to it. They didn't get the training that they were promised and that | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
they needed. We have committed a ringfenced budget, �1.8 billion | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
over ten years to provide the kit and the training that TA reservists | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
need. They will be integrated more effectively into the Regular Army, | :26:21. | :26:28. | |
that's already been talked about, the much-closer linking of TA units | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
with regular units so they can train together and work up their | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
skills together. We do believe that the TA can provide a significant | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
additional support, particularly in a sustained operation. You talked | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
about Iraq, but the operation in Afghanistan. In future, if we do | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
get involved in a sustained operation again, as we get into the | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
second and third year, we will start to see bigger proportions of | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
reservists being involved. There are a lot of famous regiment names | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
in line for your cuts. Can you give us a guarantee when it comes to | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
announcing them, the historic Scottish regiments will bear just | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
as much of the brunt as the English ones? The work that is going on now, | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
in preparation for an announcement, is focused on how to distribute the | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
reductions in manpower across the infantry. What is the answer to my | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
question? In a way that is fair, equitable and based on military | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
logic and the needs of the military. Will it be the English regiments | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
bearing the brunt, or the Scottish ones? I won't pre-empt any | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
announcement at this stage. I can tell you the way it's done will be | :27:37. | :27:42. | |
fair and we will make sure... will include Scottish regiments? | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
will be fair, so people in the Army, in the wider community see it as | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
fair and based on proper logical analysis, not just something that | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
we have whipped up on the back of an envelope. Your defence spending, | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
the Chancellor has told us that there will have to be more public | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
spending cuts in 2016 and 201. Have defence been exempted? The 1% | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
increase after 2015 is only on the equipment programme. Our budget has | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
been built on the assumption which is agreed with the Treasury that | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
there will be a 1% increase in the equipment purchase and support. | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
Whatever cuts happen elsewhere, you will get that extra 1%? That is the | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
commitment that has been made to us by the Treasury. So far? So far. | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
Thank you very much. It's approaching 12.30pm. You are | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
watching Sunday Politics. I will be looking at the week ahead with our | :28:43. | :28:53. | |
:28:53. | :28:53. | ||
political panel. Until then, the Sunday Politics across the UK. | :28:53. | :29:01. | |
Hello. Welcome from us. Coming up later: The capital's Olympics | :29:01. | :29:08. | |
spectacle draws ever closer. At what cost to certain freedoms? | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
We are joined by Lee Scott, the Conservative MP for Ilford North | :29:12. | :29:19. | |
and by the Labour MP, Stephen Pound. Welcome. First, London's shortage | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
of affordable housing. One report has claimed that a million young | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
people will be locked out of homeownership by the year 2020 | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
meaning that they may never own. What about the cost of renting? The | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
definition of social housing is changing. Many tenants are set to | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
have to pay more. The Mayor is expected now to take a lead on this, | :29:41. | :29:51. | |
The Mayor of London has taken control their three billion-pound | :29:51. | :29:58. | |
fund for housing, land and property assets -- housing assets. We have a | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
housing crisis in London. We have a massive challenge to provide enough | :30:02. | :30:09. | |
affordable homes. Homes for London is that, it is there to put the GLA | :30:09. | :30:15. | |
land together but we have at our disposal to get the pension funds | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
to invest, to get as many new homes built as we can possibly do. This | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
week, he claimed he was on track to provide London with 100,000 | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
affordable homes over his two terms in office, but to the figures tell | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
us the full story? Housing figures are notoriously complex. Everyone | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
in London knows that they are not really skiing -- really seeing a | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
big step change in housing. It is just not affordable for people | :30:42. | :30:49. | |
renting. That is why the mayor, it is right that he has created homes | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
for London, but he needs to use that organisation to drive to | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
change. Questions remain whether the target of 100,000 homes is | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
enough and with soaring rent, or what affordable really means. | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
The Deputy Mayor for housing, Richard Blake way, joined. Welcome. | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
Setting off on a second term, are you worried by the task that is | :31:12. | :31:21. | |
ahead of you? It is a huge challenge in London. I think the | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
challenge is not a recent one. It has been decades in the making. | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
Social housing waiting lists doubled during the boom decade. It | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
is a big challenge. With the new powers, we have an opportunity to | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
make a difference. It will take many, many years to tackle these | :31:37. | :31:46. | |
issues. Latest figures show that in the last year there were just 198 | :31:46. | :31:54. | |
Stark's for new homes for social rent in the capital. -- 198 spaces. | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
If the go is also show that 30,000 affordable homes were completed in | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
London last year. That is the highest number since the mid-90s | :32:03. | :32:13. | |
:32:13. | :32:13. | ||
mack. The figures show that in one year, housing starts went up 30%. | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
The reality is that we are driving through large house building | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
programmes, and we have done a record number of affordable homes | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
in the first term. We will continue that work. With the considerable | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
housing subsidy available, which will come on to, 200 homes for | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
social rent started this year. So presumably not many more than that | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
will be completed this year. That is not enough. During this year, | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
the year we are currently in, our expectation is that we will start | :32:49. | :32:55. | |
around 8000 affordable homes. last year, you have started just | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
200. That is all that can be completed in this year. The problem | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
is you are looking at one particular product. I am looking at | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
a particular year. You are looking at one particular year and products. | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
If you look at the Big Picture, over these mayoral terms, we will | :33:14. | :33:21. | |
deliver 100,000 homes. We have accepted the 50,000 or whatever, | :33:21. | :33:27. | |
but I wonder what seems to have gone wrong in the last 12 months | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
that we are set to provide just 200 homes next year. Nothing has gone | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
wrong. What you have seen is a difficult circumstances, very | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
challenging economic circumstances, and a record amount of almost been | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
completed. How many social rented homes will there be at the end of | :33:45. | :33:51. | |
this year, completed, given that we only started 200 last year. This | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
year you will see a large number, thousands of social rented homes | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
completed and he will also see affordable rented homes completed | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
which are at a range of rents, not 80%. The average is 65%. You'll | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
also see opportunities for first- time buyers through low-cost | :34:08. | :34:14. | |
ownership. I want to make his point. London's economy relies on a lot of | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
people who are not traditionally seen as key workers, people work in | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
the service industry, restaurants, retail, hospitality. We have to | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
provide them for opportune -- with opportunities to be able to afford | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
to live in the city. I think what we're doing is important. Londoners | :34:30. | :34:37. | |
have picked up that you have put more emphasis on that. 4000 homes | :34:37. | :34:44. | |
overall including this new model, raising it to 60% or 80% of market | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
rent, so more expensive than current social housing. Only 4000 | :34:48. | :34:53. | |
of those overall started this last year. Presumably only around that | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
number can be completed next year. Do you accept that? I accept that | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
we will deliver 55,000 affordable occupations. In previous years, | :35:05. | :35:11. | |
there have been 10 or 11 or 12,000 every year. That transfers to | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
13,000 completions the following year. There has been no housing | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
this year being built. You know that is not true. In the last year, | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
we have done more affordable completions than at any point. | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
thinking about next year. And you also know that in the last mayoral | :35:31. | :35:38. | |
term we have done a record number of formal completions. And over | :35:38. | :35:43. | |
this and Bess and round we will do for 55,000 formal completions. | :35:43. | :35:49. | |
is that possible when the money available over the next few years | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
is a third to a half of the money available to you over the last | :35:52. | :35:59. | |
three years. The model has changed. We are levering in a large amount | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
of resources from our providers, from housing associations. In | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
London you will see �3 billion coming in from other sources, from | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
borrowing, from the capacity, the resources of housing providers. �3 | :36:12. | :36:20. | |
billion being committed, still in the billions. It is not a gift. How | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
are they committing money? It is money that is going to have to be | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
paid for subsequently by higher rents. Over this invest around, we | :36:29. | :36:36. | |
are providing around �1.7 billion in housing grants. That is matched | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
by Housing Association and our providers, who were bringing in | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
their own borrowing and resources. We have a match of public and | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
private money, which is seeing a housing delivery continue at a high | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
level. What you're seeing is affordable completions at a high | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
number. It is not just about affordable houses. It is a big area. | :36:56. | :37:03. | |
I think it was important we focus on that. Out in Redbridge, 25 | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
completions of affordable homes last year. After London, not known | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
for its affordable housing, the worst record in the capital. Is | :37:12. | :37:19. | |
there something going wrong? point is that what is needed is | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
quality homes their families wish to live in. There are a number of | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
start-ups. You're right, but I can't give you the reasons why the | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
completions are low. However, if you look at the period, there will | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
be delivery of homes and what I am delighted that is that the mayor | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
has insisted that there to 3% of them will be family homes. Richard | :37:43. | :37:50. | |
Blake wasted this first off, that this has been a years and years of | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
successive governments failing to invest and we are all on a ruptured | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
-- we're on an upward trajectory. You have to look at when those | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
building projects started. The key here is one of the bigger social | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
disasters we have ever seen in this country, the UN control right to | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
buy frenzy which is being replicated by Grant Shapps, who has | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
come up with an absurd idea that you can sell the council house for | :38:16. | :38:22. | |
a massive discount and then by a new one. The figures are mendacious | :38:22. | :38:27. | |
because we have abandoned the affordable housing components of | :38:27. | :38:34. | |
the new housing plan. And it was a very sensible thing. If somebody is | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
building 100 new roles -- 100 new homes, 50 should be affordable. We | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
now have an idea where housing associations are being funded | :38:42. | :38:47. | |
directly to provide the housing which then fills in the vacuum, the | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
short gap that the mayor is promising to provide. That is | :38:51. | :38:58. | |
mendacious. A final point? What you're going to be building, and we | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
now know, is going to be 60 and 80% of market rent, be on the reach of | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
many people. There is a range of rents being delivered. Three- | :39:08. | :39:15. | |
quarters of rented homes will be social rented levels. They will get | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
housing benefit as well. By do not think anyone should be no guide the | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
opportunity to purchase their own home. -- should be denied. We have | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
a range of challenges and I think we have focused on them. We should | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
focus on the economic benefits of housing. Also, the opportunity | :39:34. | :39:42. | |
gives low-paid Londoners. Close to where they work. We have to tackle | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
homelessness and design and quality problems. Those are the challenges. | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
Housing numbers are just part of it. There are wide range of challenges | :39:49. | :39:55. | |
that we will seek to tackle. that note, thank you very much. | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
The Olympics are coming to London, but do they have too many | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
conditions attached? Some have expressed concerns at an | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
overbearing approach to things like restrictions to what marketing | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
businesses can do and what pictures can be uploaded to you chewed by | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
spectators. The games are being organised by the IOC and another | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
company. Have they been invested with too much power? | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
Singapore in 2005, the day before the International Olympic Committee | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
announced who has won the 2012 games. Every city had to find -- | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
signed a contract promising all the big bosses powers. New York was | :40:35. | :40:41. | |
bidding and they wanted to renegotiate the split from | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
broadcasting rights. They were told, sign it as it is or you do not | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
enter the ballot. The result is that the IOC and the organisers of | :40:50. | :40:57. | |
the London Games have been legally -- invested with legal leash | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
enshrined powers that others could not leave off. | :41:03. | :41:09. | |
Local fog and the IOC probably want to behave as if they were at an | :41:09. | :41:16. | |
estate within an estate, in London, they want to impose their vision of | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
a happy city full of happy people while they are here. Olympic | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
officials will receive VIP treatment. They will be fast- | :41:25. | :41:32. | |
tracked through immigration. 30 miles of games lanes will be | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
reserved for officials and sponsors. The important thing is that we have | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
negotiated an agreement about flexibility so that they will | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
operate when the are needed and they will not operate when they are | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
not needed. There are not going to set their empty threat the Olympics | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
if there is not a volume of Olympic traffic for which they are | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
designated. Freedom of expression may also be limited to protect | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
broadcasting rights. People will be banned from wobbling videos all to | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
Twitter, Facebook and others have run up works. -- uploading videos. | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
1 Twitter feed that satirise the Games has been closed down on the | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
basis that it was using the 2012 Load & Go. We used to their own | :42:19. | :42:29. | |
:42:29. | :42:31. | ||
language, their own terminology, things like "Please enjoy your | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
daily sample of sunshine. EDF Energy will be offering you a | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
specific rate." Companies open to make money out of the game's past | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
two -- have to walk out -- have to watch out. Using words like London | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
and 2012 could lead to legal action. I can understand why they have to | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
protect the brand, there is no question. They have got to raise | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
over �2 billion and that is a lot of money. Sponsors spent millions. | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
So they have to protect the brand. I think there needs to be common | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
sense. We are a out a a two a team sponsors or keeping Olympic -- | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
doing Olympic officials what they asked for, there may have been all | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
London 2012. Officials may vary as to whether it was worth it. | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
Over protecting the brand? Contracts have been signed for | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
billions of pounds with sponsors and built into that sponsorship is | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
the right to use the local. Any company is who have done any | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
services to the Olympics can put it on the website, together with other | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
clients, but not on its own. What about people who want to start up a | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
all the big cafe, or their shoulders about -- stories about | :43:48. | :43:56. | |
somebody making choux buns -- sugar buns in the shape of... Who were | :43:56. | :44:03. | |
that the Government was would have found themselves in these issues. | :44:03. | :44:09. | |
We have a number of cafe Olympus venues around my way. I saw an | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
advert for Olympic Clock dogs. You see all of that, and you have to | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
protect its to a certain extent. But people will do it anyway and | :44:16. | :44:23. | |
these are just warnings. All that because the cream doughnuts, it's | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
ironic, I suppose. -- Olympic donuts. Are we bending the knee too | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
much to the IOC? I am worried. Bending the knee to the IOC, I | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
think we can work on this. Initially, think everyone would | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
that their products, look at the land control and the business of | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
moving people, all of those things. Prison element of something | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
worrying. But just think about the fact that they are probably only | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
commemorating the Munich murders. If someone goes wrong at the | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
Olympics, it could be 10 times the scale all Munich. Paranoid is not | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
the wrong -- and not the right word. We know about jumping queues at | :45:06. | :45:12. | |
immigration. Perhaps special arrangements for Health. Can you | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
understand why these arrangements are in place, and is there a danger | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
and that it could lead to a backlash or resentment if there is | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
chaos in the streets of London? think it is important to stop chaos | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
on the streets, that measures are replaced, and that the lanes should | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
be in use as is being planned at certain times. The difficulty will | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
come that, yes, anyone who says there will not be a burden, that | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
will not be correct. But I hope and believe that the measures in place | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
will be able to cope with it. But what is vitally important and I | :45:46. | :45:52. | |
come back to it again is that the games were all was played as they | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
had to have sponsorship for billions of pounds. The people who | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
pay that money expect certain results. I think it is surprising | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
that hospitals are being moved. There are 40 medical suites within | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
the Olympic village. I think it is just an anticipated back up. | :46:08. | :46:18. | |
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Let's get a round-up in 60 seconds. Plans for the opening Olympic | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
ceremony were unveiled, revealing a vision of the green and pleasant | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
land. It will feature 70 sheep, 12 horses and ten chickens and will | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
cost �27 million! Jeremy Hunt announced the budget | :46:40. | :46:47. | |
for the Games has come in over �400 million under budget. That is from | :46:47. | :46:52. | |
the overall final �9.3 billion budget as opposed to the original | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
one of �2.4 billion. A green light for a levy of up to | :46:57. | :47:04. | |
�2,500 on utility firms who dig up busy roads in London has come into | :47:04. | :47:10. | |
effect. Tube staff have voted for | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
industrial action over a plan to move control centre employees from | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
Piccadilly to Hammersmith. The RMT staff have voted for strike action, | :47:21. | :47:29. | |
citing disagreements over jobs and conditions. | :47:29. | :47:35. | |
I want to talk about roadworks, but you want to talk about this | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
pastoral idyll? One of the interesting facts was they said | :47:38. | :47:44. | |
they were going to use artificial rain. There will be a need for | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
that(!) They may not need the artificial! What about the image? | :47:48. | :47:55. | |
It's very, very interesting. We will see... As bad as that! We will | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
have cricket, a village, animals, ponds... The England we know and | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
love. There is a suggestion that he's released this detail now but | :48:03. | :48:13. | |
there will be surprises in there. Danny Boyle has been cunning! I | :48:13. | :48:20. | |
have never seen anything so bonkers since John Major's thing about | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
drinking warm beer... The grass and the sheep? The idea you can re- | :48:26. | :48:35. | |
create a non-existent Teletubby Middle-earth that never did exist! | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
Somebody there, who is following those two shire horses, appears to | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
be a GM crop protester. We will carry this on. We have to stop. | :48:43. | :48:53. | |
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The week ahead will be dominated by the fallout of the Greek elections | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
and the meetings in Mexico. This morning, we learned Justice Leveson | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
was irritated by comments made by Michael Gove, he was moved to call | :49:12. | :49:19. | |
the Cabinet Secretary to complain. Mr Gove complained Leveson's | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
deliberations were creating a chilling atmosphere towards the | :49:22. | :49:32. | |
:49:32. | :49:38. | ||
freedom of the press. It certainly got our Adam all of a Twitter. | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
It's been open season for political watchers as a flock of top | :49:42. | :49:50. | |
politicians landed at the Royal Courts of Justice this week. Here's | :49:50. | :49:57. | |
a big one - it's David Cameron. Giving evidence on Thursday, the | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
PM's feathers looked ruffle when the inquiry turned up a syncy text | :50:01. | :50:08. | |
from the former Sun editor Rebekah Brooks. I'm so rooting for you | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
tomorrow, not just as a personal friend, but because professionally | :50:12. | :50:20. | |
we are definitely in this together. Speech of your life? Yes, he can! | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
The Sun had made this decision to back the Conservatives, to part | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
company with Labour, and so the Sun wanted to make sure it was helping | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
the Conservative Party put its best foot forward. A lesser spotted | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
Miliband. The Labour Leader used his evidence to launch an attack on | :50:39. | :50:47. | |
the power of the Murdochs. I don't believe that one person should | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
continue to control 37% or 34% of the newspaper market. I would say | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
we should have no worries about someone owning up to 20% of the | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
newspaper market, there is then a question about between 20-30%, | :51:00. | :51:07. | |
where would you set a limit? I can see an ex-Prime Minister. Hang on, | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
a flock of ex-Prime Ministers. The rarest of species, Gordon Brown | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
raised eyebrows by swearing that no-one working for him ever uttered | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
a word against his rivals. LOL. John Major said Rupert Murdoch had | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
demanded he change his policy on Europe ahead of the '97 general | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
election. Outside the court, it's finally becoming possible to spot | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
what Lord Leveson might recommend. The fact that everybody's agreed | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
that we shouldn't be having pre- publication scrutiny, there | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
shouldn't be any state involvement in censorship, that means that what | :51:44. | :51:51. | |
will come out of it will be basically a slightly vamped-up | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
Press Complaints Commission and a slightly improved system of | :51:54. | :52:00. | |
regulation. And all that's cost �3 million so far, but next month the | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
inquiry enters its final phase and then I will have to take my | :52:04. | :52:10. | |
binoculars elsewhere. So, how is all that going to play | :52:11. | :52:19. | |
in the week ahead? Let's come on to the Prime | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
Ministers in a minute. This story the Mail on Sunday, which if you | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
read it, it says he probably didn't offer to resign because of the | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
criticism. It does seem he called the Cabinet Secretary. This seems | :52:30. | :52:36. | |
to be a thin-skinned judge, not used to criticism, these judges? | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
is very sensitive. He seems to think he is heading up a judicial | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
inquiry. He should take his position seriously. I think the | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
criticism that Gove was making does hold. The question we should be | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
asking is what is going to be the outcome of Leveson? We will have an | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
overly regulated press that still remains a concentrated in terms of | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
its ownership. That is really quite worrying. We need an irreverent | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
press. We are all journalists. We know the importance of pushing the | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
boundaries. We have to wonder what is going to be the outcome. This | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
judge is not very happy at being criticised? This morning, I watched | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
again the footage of Leveson ticking off Michael Gove saying, "I | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
don't need to be told by you about the importance of free speech." I | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
was really struck by the manner in which he said it. He was not happy. | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
They are not used to this. other thing that struck me about | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
the headline is that if anything, that will embolden Leveson to do | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
more. It plays into what we are looking at here. Yes. Is he being | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
criticised or is he being undermined? More criticised than | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
undermined. I do find it surreal that you would respond to | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
criticisms of being uncommitted to free speech by calling up the | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
Cabinet Secretary and trying to close down one of your... There is | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
an irony there. I'm stunned that he thought this wouldn't come out in | :54:00. | :54:07. | |
some form as well. But I think Rowenna Davis is right, the big | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
problem is yet to come. What will Leveson recommend as far as | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
regulation goes and how does the Government respond to it? Which | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
ever way it goes, it will infuriate some parts of the media. Let's come | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
to the Prime Ministers. The consensus I suggest, but see if you | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
agree, is that Mr Brown did not enhance his reputation. Mr Major | :54:27. | :54:35. | |
did. David Cameron was doing fine until that amazing text of, "Yes, | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
you can!" It is not his fault that he received such a text. The real | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
job... We are all in this together. We have to remember this is a | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, who point-blank denied he was | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
preparing to call a snap election at the time there were a bunch of | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
limousines going around Parliament Square waiting to pick up ministers | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
to send them out to the country to begin the campaign. So it didn't | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
incredibly surprise me to see him being, well, slightly economical | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
with the truth, perhaps that is not entirely fair. I thought this week | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
we saw the very best and the very worst of Gordon Brown, so... Where | :55:13. | :55:19. | |
was the best bit? When he was talking about his child with | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
movement, a genuine feeling that we cannot question for his child. The | :55:23. | :55:30. | |
worst was when wu get this pathological sense of -- you get | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
this pathological sense of - it must be lying. He seems to believe | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
it himself. If a woman like Rebecca wade did that to your child, and | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
splashed your child's problems all across the front of a tabloid, | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
would you then invite her to slumber parties and go to her | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
wedding? Sarah Brown is the most forgiving person in the world. | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
we any evidence of that? A lot of journalists would say she is quite | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
tough in defence of her family. What was remarkable was that all | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
the prominent people who appeared before Leveson gave karktristy | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
performances in the sense that Cameron -- characteristic | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
performances in the sense that Cameron was rattled, Gordon Brown | :56:11. | :56:19. | |
thinks there are no limits to people's credulity, John Major is a | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
dignified person, George Osborne can be quite compelling when he ex- | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
pounds on politics. He came across quite well? He did. Ed Miliband was | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
very good. This job was not to cause any fuss so the pressure | :56:33. | :56:39. | |
remained on the Government. I have to say I was expecting a more | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
polished performance from Cameron. When we started this series, I | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
remember you saying Cameron stands like a colossus over Parliament. | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
What we saw here, a man who was quite defensive, quite disorganised | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
and those texts I think were damaging. The narrative that | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
Miliband's pushing, that this Prime Minister is now taint and this will | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
continue throughout, and... That is characteristic of Cameron, even at | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
Prime Minister's Questions, under intense questioning, he does become | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
irritable. Somebody is lying under oath. Both Mr Murdoch and Mr Brown | :57:13. | :57:19. | |
cannot be right about this phone call. Both Mr Brown and all the | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
Blairites cannot be right about the dogs of war being unleashed by Mr | :57:23. | :57:29. | |
Brown. Somebody has lied under oath. One significant point is that Peter | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
Mandelson in his evidence did recall a conversation between | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
Rupert Murdoch and Gordon Brown about exactly the issue that Brown | :57:37. | :57:44. | |
claims was never discussed, so something is - it doesn't stack up. | :57:44. | :57:51. | |
You know people are lying under oath because these positions are | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
inconsistent. That is going to be quite damaging for public relations. | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
It should said on Brown's defence, whether he briefed, whether his | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
allies briefed against Tony Blair. He didn't say no, he said, "I would | :58:05. | :58:10. | |
hope not." It was unconvincing. He didn't look convinced. He was | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
playing with his ear and looking down. That was the most, the most | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
jaw-dropping moment when he was saying that. I thought the main | :58:17. | :58:22. | |
phone call was made to Mr Murdoch at the party conference when the | :58:22. | :58:28. | |
Sun was dumping him. That is all for this week. Jo Coburn will be | :58:28. | :58:34. |