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Afternoon. Welcome to the Sunday politics. It is decision day for

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Greece as the country goes to the polls for the second time this year.

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The result will determine Greek membership of the Euro and could

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plunge Europe into economic chaos. That is our top story. During the

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first Gulf war, Britain sent 53,000 troops to the Middle East along

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with hundreds of tanks. Could we field anything like that kind of

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firepower again? I'll be speaking to Philip Hammond in the Sunday

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interview. And we have had Prime Minister

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after Prime Minister after Deputy Prime Minister giving evidence to

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the Leveson Inquiry this week. But his Levison creating a chilly

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atmosphere towards freedom of speech?

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All that and the best political panel in the business, looking

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forward to the week ahead and tweeting like Levison stenographers

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throughout the programme. In London, is at the end of social

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housing as we know it? Can the capital's shortage of affordable

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homes only be tackled if tenants pay significantly more rent?

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All that coming up but first the news.

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Good afternoon. Voters in Greece are taking part in the second

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election in six weeks. The outcome of which could determine if the

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country stays in the Eurozone. The main contenders have pledged to

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renegotiate Greece's international bail-out but Angela Merkel has

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urged voters to choose a government which will stand by previous

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commitments to cut Greece's huge national debt. This report contains

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some flash photography. Meet the left wing's Alexis Tsipras.

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An unknown a month ago. He wants the terms of Greece's bail-out

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radically changed. That is why Europe's leaders fear that he will

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lead Greece out of the Euro. One former Prime Minister here said

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that if that happened, the whole of Europe would suffer. That has

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created ripe ground for populism, racist parties, neo-fascist parties

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and an extreme political views, which will, not only in Greece but

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in other countries, tear apart the fabric, the values on which the

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European Union is based. Thought by vote, this could be the most

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significant moments yet in the Eurozone debt crisis. Greeks do not

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see this as a referendum on Euro membership. For them, it is a

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choice between competing visions of how best to rescue this country's

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economy. Before the El-Saoud world, a vote for the Left would create

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great uncertainty and fear. -- but for the outside world.

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Europe would be more comfortable with Antonis Samaras. He also wants

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the bail-out terms to be changed. But whoever takes power, Greece

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will still be hundreds of billions in debt. It will still be a problem

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for Europe and the world. Polls have opened immediate for a

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second and final day of voting to let the country's first President

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since Hosni Mubarak was forced from office. Egyptians are choosing

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between a conservative Islamist and the former Prime Minister from the

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former regime. Some Egyptians have been calling for voters to ignore

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the elections or spoil their ballot papers because of a lack of choice.

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The Government is expected to announce a contract for work on the

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next generation of nuclear submarines this week. The deal as

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part of plans to replace the fleet which carries the Trident nuclear

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deterrent. The work will be carried out at the Rolls-Royce factory in

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Derby, safeguarding 300 jobs. The International Olympic Committee

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is investigating claims that officials from more than 50

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countries have been caught offering tickets to the London 2012 games on

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the black market. The Sunday Times claimed they have evidence of

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thousands of tickets being sold illegally for up to 10 times their

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face five. The Paper secretly filmed agents from member countries

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offering the tickets to undercover journalists.

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Part of an outdoor stage has collapsed before a concert by the

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band Radiohead in Canada, killing a ban. Another man suffered head

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injuries. -- killing a man. The band was not on stage at the time

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and the concert was cancelled. More news here on BBC One at 6

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o'clock. The Greeks are voting as we speak

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and the Poles make it neck and neck between the conservative New

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democracy party, he says it is a choice between keeping the Euro and

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going back to the drachma, and the anti- austerity party who say that

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they can have their cake and eat it. Live to Athens. Matthew Price is

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there. If the hard-left party wins and forms the next government, is

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if their intention to rip up the bail-out and see what happens?

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think that is the crucial point. We have seen SYRIZA's platform changed

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markedly since I was here six weeks ago. Then, Alexis Tsipras was

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saying that they would repay up the agreement. But now he has become

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more nuanced. He is saying that Angela Merkel will have someone

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next to her who will not say yes all the time. In essence, they are

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saying that if we stick to the terms of the bail-out as it exists,

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Greece will be forced out of the Euro. He is saying that he does not

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want that and Greece does not want that. He is talking in a more

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nuanced way about radically changing the terms of the bail-out

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but not ripping it up. If the centre-right wins tonight, they

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will attempt to renegotiate the bail-out package? They will not rip

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it up but they will attempts to get better terms? I was talking to

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their top economics adviser who said he wants to turn the argument

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on his head, in his words, he said austerity is killing this country,

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that what is needed first is Investment and then austerity. I

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said, well, actually, in that sense you are speaking almost as

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radically as the left. Laddie said, not at all. The Left want to carry

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out some very damaging economic policies, he said. He claims that

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the right, New democracy, would wish to press ahead with Europe as

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the Belletti exists. But in his words, turn it on its head. If the

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left when, the market will be in turmoil which will have

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repercussions for her at Spain and Italy and beyond, because they have

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been sold this line from Angela Merkel that a vote for the left is

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a boat out of the role. In the same time -- at the same time, voting

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for the right is still, in Greek eyes, a vote to significantly

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change the terms of the bail-out. Whoever forms the next government,

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this country is still billions of Euros in debt and relies on

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emergency funding. If it has a government that is going to change

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the terms of the bail-out agreement, will Europe go along with that or

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will Europe decides to cut graceless? Briefly, if they do not

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get another large cheque, when will be run out of money? -- cut Greece

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loose. In a sense, it is a moot point. In reality, next month, they

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need the next tranche of funding next month. The reason I say it is

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a moot point, my impression talking to people in Brussels and Berlin

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and elsewhere, the irony about all of this is that nobody wants Greece

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to leave the Euro. They do not want them to leave the Euro in Brussels

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and Berlin. Greeks certainly do not want to leave. The pressure is

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higher on Greece and Dromore leaders in Europe who say that

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maybe there comes a point in the future where we have to cut them

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loose. In reality, they run out of money next month but I imagine in

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the way that we have seen so far, barring any accidents, if there is

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fudging to be done, Europe will carry it out. They will muddle

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through, and find some way of supplying Greece with money while

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they sort out the political mess. I am joined by Richard Jeffrey and

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David Marsh, an investment banker and author of 'The Euro -- The

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Politics of the New Global Currency'.

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If Greece votes for the centre- right, the crisis continues to run

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along. If it votes for the hard left, it probably brings it to a

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head. What will be better for Greece? This is a crisis that has

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been 10 years in the making. It is wrong to see one political that as

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an event that is a defining moment. I am not sure that the different

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outcomes of the election will have a meaningfully different

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implication for the outlook for Greece. In the end, Greece will

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probably be forced to leave the Euro. That might happen faster or

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slower. I suppose that if the Left Party get in and tries to force the

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issue with Brussels faster, then it actually could hasten Greece's exit.

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What would be better? I think it would be better for Greece to leave.

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It would be better for Greece to get back on its own two feet.

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also think it would be better if Greece was to leave. Two votes for

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the hard left. They are not that different. Samaras is no friend of

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austerity. He has done bad things. You have to put it in a wider

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context. You have to look at what the critical countries are saying.

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Everyone expects that the Germans will come running to the rescue

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like a general appearing after an uprising 4th, but that is not going

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to happen and this is not a bluff. The Germans are saying that if you

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want to have fiscal union, you are going to have to give up fiscal

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authority. That concerns France. I agree with Richard, it goes further

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than Greece. If Greece goes and it creates a financial crisis, we know

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that Spain and Italy and maybe France a week. -- are weak. Is

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there a firewall and place big enough to stop contagion? The point

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is, the far wall should be in place by now. So there isn't? Potentially,

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there is. The problem is the French banking system, it is not Italy and

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Spain. What the ECB will have to do if Greece pulls out his insure that

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there is sufficient liquidity in the system and they have to get

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absolute support for those measures from the Germans. It is the Germans

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who are reluctant at the moment. That is natural because it is a

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redistribution of German wealth that is demanded if the Euro is

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going to survive. George Osborne says that we are not powerless in

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the face of the Eurozone debt storm. Do you believe them? Does a team

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the in the British government? -- does he mean that the British

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government. Clare Liberton as a few less limitations. -- clearly

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Britain has. I do not know why they are telling the Germans they have

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to do something. I think that shows a lack of power and imagination and

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understanding. What Britain is doing is staying on the sidelines,

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and offering advice from time to time. It should actually do more to

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shore up the economy, not just against Eurozone weakness but

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against home-grown weakness. I think the attempt to make the Euro

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area the scapegoat for Britain's economic ills is pathetic. At the

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British -- we see a storm coming. It could be severe. It could be a

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tornado. Have we done enough to Batten down the hatches? I think we

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took the wrong policy decisions earlier on in this crisis. I think

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when fiscal policy was changed, the Government should have focused on

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expenditure and less on taxation. That is water on -- under the

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bridge. Has he done enough to keep the economy going? What was done in

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the Mansion House speech was helpful, undoubtedly, but I think

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when we first had quantitative easing, the Bank of England should

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have focused on getting liquidity into the private sector rather than

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buying government debt. They should have been buying packages of loans

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from smaller companies and forcing liquidity into the areas of the

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economy that we are going to rely on for growth. In a sentence, or

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will we be in a week? We will be where we are now with posturing,

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argy-bargy and threats. -- where will we be. But we will be nearer

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to the moment of truth, which will be for Greece to leave. We are in

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the sawtooth of a crisis and there are many more teeth that we're

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going to have to travel over. Two big news stories this morning

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related to defence. First, the MoD is investing heavily in nuclear

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reactors for a new generator -- a generation of nuclear submarines,

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which is seen as further confirmation that the Tories are

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committed to like-for-like replacement of tried and despite

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the opposition of coalition colleagues. The second story, there

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is a lot of talk about which historic Army regiments might face

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the axe in the next round of Government defence cuts. Cuts to

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which our Sunday interview guest is about to put his pen. Philip

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Hammond took up his role as defence minister in October last year.

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Following the resignation of Liam Fox. In his new brief, he is

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responsible for overseeing the biggest cuts to the armed forces in

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decades. The coalition's Strategic Defence and Security Review means

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that the number of full-time troops in the British Army will fall from

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over 101,000 in 2010 to just over 82,000 by 2017. There will also be

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big cuts to the RAF and Navy. There MoD is hoping that the Territorial

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Army will provide 30,000 deplorable reserves to make up the difference.

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But with trips to meshed, could the UK still stage major foreign

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operations? -- troops diminished. How seriously will be taken on the

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Philip Hammond is our Sunday Interview.

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You were about to give a �1 billion go-ahead to new nuclear reactors

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for our nuclear deterrent. You have decided to keep Trident, haven't

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you? What we are going to be announcing is a commitment to the

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major refurbishing of the plant at Rolls-Royce in Derby which builds

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these core reactors, not just for the nuclear deterrent submarines,

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but also for our attack submarines, the Astute class. This is

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maintaining a sovereign capability in the UK. It means the Lib Dems

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are wasting their time looking for alternatives to Trident, you have

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made your mind up? The Government's policy is clear. We are committed

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to maintaining a credible nuclear deterrent. We are placing orders

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now - we announced �350 million a couple of weeks ago for design

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phase work - we are placing orders now for the long-lead items. The

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actual decision to go ahead and build them won't have to be taken

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until 2016 and what we are doing at the moment is ordering the things

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that have to be ordered now to give us that option. In your view, is

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there anything credible that is an alternative to Trident? We have

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done a review of options and value for money of the Trident programme.

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That concluded that replacing the Vanguard submarines and continuing

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with Trident was the best-value solution to maintaining a nuclear

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deterrent. The Liberal Democrats wanted to have another look, look

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at some emerging technologies. Nick Harvey, the Armed Forces Minister,

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is leading a review to look at whether there are any... You are

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going ahead with everything that needs to be done to replace

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Trident? We are carrying on with the Government's policy. We are

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doing that is in the critical path to make sure when we get to 2016 we

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can make that decision and all the long-lead items will have been

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ordered. If you weren't making this massive investment in Trident, you

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wouldn't have to slash our Armed Forces to their smallest level for

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300 years, would you? The overall defence programme consists of a

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number of different parts - an equipment programme, the nuclear

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element and the manpower budget. will be smaller - if you spent it

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on the Armed Forces, you wouldn't have to slash the Army? Similarly,

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if you look back a few years, the Government, the previous Government,

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was not spending enough on equipment for the Army in

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Afghanistan, for protective equipment and the money was being

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spent on maintaining larger force level. What we have done is looked

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at how we can have a sustainable force that meets Britain's needs in

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the future on the basis that we must equip our Armed Forces

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properly. Whatever level of force we ultimately decide to have, we

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have got to be able to provide the protective equipment and the proper

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fighting equipment that that Army needs. Let's look at what the

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Conservatives said before the election. This is Liam Fox to the

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Let's see what the Prime Minister Why are you abolishing five

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battalions? We haven't said what the structure of the Army will be,

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that is a work that we haven't concluded yet. You are cutting

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numbers by 20,000? The quotes are from 2007. I think most people will

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have noticed the world is a radically different place from 2007.

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We have had the biggest economic crisis that we have faced since the

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Second World War, we have had a massive fiscal problem that has to

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be addressed. Indeed, it was Liam Fox that said that the fiscal

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crisis is one of the biggest strategic challenges facing Britain.

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Regardless of the deficit - I understand the problem with the

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deficit - regardless of that, if the Army was too small in 2007,

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it's going fob way too small after you have done your -- going to be

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way too small after you have done your cuts, that is logical, isn't

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it? The defence has to make a contribution to the fiscal

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consolidation to getting the size of the deficit down so we can build

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a sustainable economy for the future. If the question is would I

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like to have a bigger Army, of course I would. What we are doing,

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and the Armed Forces are engaged in this process in a very mature way,

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is working within the resource envelope that we have got to create

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a force which will deliver Britain's needs in future, be

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adaptable, flexible, highly-mobile and deployable and proper he I

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quipped. We don't have any -- properly equipped. We don't have

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any more of those stories that we were getting in 2007/8 that the

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troops didn't have the equipment to do the job. You are not cutting the

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deficit in every department. What is the logic you pour billions more

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into international aid while slashing the British Army by

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19,000? The Government made a commitment to reach the 0.7%...

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made a commitment to have a bigger Army, Mr Hammond? But we also

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believe that intervening early to prevent conflict, to prevent the

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pressures that cause conflict and that cause threat to our national

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security is very much in our national interest. Our aid

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programme is being reconfigured so it focuses on those areas where

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instability represents a threat to us. In Pakistan, in the Horn of

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Africa, in places where the problems that we are seeing in

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those countries have a direct security impact on this country.

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understand that. It is an important part of our security. I'm glad you

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mentioned Pakistan. The fact is we are cutting back our military

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substantially but we are giving aid to countries like Pakistan and

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India with massive and expanding military machines. What is the

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logic of that? Well, our aid programme to India is being reduced.

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It is now very concentrated. are giving �280 million this year,

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next year and in 2014/15. You are giving money to countries with huge

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military machines and yet, you are cutting our own military? In the

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case of India, it's an aid programme that is running down and

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it's focused in one area, on Non- Governmental Organisations with the

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primary focus in education. In the case of Pakistan, the threat to the

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UK's future security from instability in Pakistan is very

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significant and seeking to intervene to help to stabilise the

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situation in Pakistan, particularly again in the area of education,

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poverty eradication, is critically important to the UK's security. We

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also have a very significant programme of military co-operation

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with Pakistan, helping the Pakistanis to deal with the

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terrorist threat that they face. Could we ever mount another Iraq

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War? Certainly not on our own. but making a major contribution?

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Yes, we will be able to make a major contribution as an ally in a

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broad-based alliance to carry out a major sustained operation. That is

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the way... We had 15,000 men last time. We couldn't do that?

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wouldn't be able to put 53,000 men... 300 tanks? We would still -

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not 300 tanks either. We would be able to make a major contribution

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to the operation. The Americans don't think so. They don't think we

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could make a major contribution any more. We could do intelligence and

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Special Forces. Other than that, they don't need us? I don't think

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that is true. The Americans are generally very complimentary about

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the quality of UK forces and the contribution that we deliver to a

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combined operation. Look, we have forces much smaller than the

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American forces. America spends nearly half of all the world's

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defence spending. It is overwhelmingly the largest military

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force on the face of the planet. We are not comparing ourselves with

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the Americans. Our forces, even after the changes announced in the

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SDSR 2010, will be, after the Americans, among the most effective,

:24:42.:24:45.

deployable military forces in the world. Let's look at Syria. If a

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decision was made by the UN or NATO to enforce a no-fly zone, what

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capabilities, what resources could we contribute? Well, the UK has a

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fast-jet capability, Tornadoes and Typhoon aircraft... No aircraft

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carriers? We have an airbase in Cyprus which would give us the

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capability to mount any operations in the eastern Mediterranean that

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we wanted to mount. A part of your strategy involves cutting full-time

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troops, replacing them with the reservists. This is what the UK

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:25:32.:25:38.

national Defence Association had to The experts don't think you can

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compensate your cuts in the regular forces by boosting the reservists?

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The experts are in the British Army and they do think that The

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Territorial Army can play a much more significant role. Under the

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last Government, training budgets for The Territorial Army was cut.

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We broke the covenant between the TA and the reservists who joined up

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to it. They didn't get the training that they were promised and that

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they needed. We have committed a ringfenced budget, �1.8 billion

:26:10.:26:16.

over ten years to provide the kit and the training that TA reservists

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need. They will be integrated more effectively into the Regular Army,

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that's already been talked about, the much-closer linking of TA units

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with regular units so they can train together and work up their

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skills together. We do believe that the TA can provide a significant

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additional support, particularly in a sustained operation. You talked

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about Iraq, but the operation in Afghanistan. In future, if we do

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get involved in a sustained operation again, as we get into the

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second and third year, we will start to see bigger proportions of

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reservists being involved. There are a lot of famous regiment names

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in line for your cuts. Can you give us a guarantee when it comes to

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announcing them, the historic Scottish regiments will bear just

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as much of the brunt as the English ones? The work that is going on now,

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in preparation for an announcement, is focused on how to distribute the

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reductions in manpower across the infantry. What is the answer to my

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question? In a way that is fair, equitable and based on military

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logic and the needs of the military. Will it be the English regiments

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bearing the brunt, or the Scottish ones? I won't pre-empt any

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announcement at this stage. I can tell you the way it's done will be

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fair and we will make sure... will include Scottish regiments?

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will be fair, so people in the Army, in the wider community see it as

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fair and based on proper logical analysis, not just something that

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we have whipped up on the back of an envelope. Your defence spending,

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the Chancellor has told us that there will have to be more public

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spending cuts in 2016 and 201. Have defence been exempted? The 1%

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increase after 2015 is only on the equipment programme. Our budget has

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been built on the assumption which is agreed with the Treasury that

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there will be a 1% increase in the equipment purchase and support.

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Whatever cuts happen elsewhere, you will get that extra 1%? That is the

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commitment that has been made to us by the Treasury. So far? So far.

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Thank you very much. It's approaching 12.30pm. You are

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watching Sunday Politics. I will be looking at the week ahead with our

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political panel. Until then, the Sunday Politics across the UK.

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Hello. Welcome from us. Coming up later: The capital's Olympics

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spectacle draws ever closer. At what cost to certain freedoms?

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We are joined by Lee Scott, the Conservative MP for Ilford North

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and by the Labour MP, Stephen Pound. Welcome. First, London's shortage

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of affordable housing. One report has claimed that a million young

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people will be locked out of homeownership by the year 2020

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meaning that they may never own. What about the cost of renting? The

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definition of social housing is changing. Many tenants are set to

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have to pay more. The Mayor is expected now to take a lead on this,

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The Mayor of London has taken control their three billion-pound

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fund for housing, land and property assets -- housing assets. We have a

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housing crisis in London. We have a massive challenge to provide enough

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affordable homes. Homes for London is that, it is there to put the GLA

:30:09.:30:15.

land together but we have at our disposal to get the pension funds

:30:15.:30:20.

to invest, to get as many new homes built as we can possibly do. This

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week, he claimed he was on track to provide London with 100,000

:30:24.:30:28.

affordable homes over his two terms in office, but to the figures tell

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us the full story? Housing figures are notoriously complex. Everyone

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in London knows that they are not really skiing -- really seeing a

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big step change in housing. It is just not affordable for people

:30:42.:30:49.

renting. That is why the mayor, it is right that he has created homes

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for London, but he needs to use that organisation to drive to

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change. Questions remain whether the target of 100,000 homes is

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enough and with soaring rent, or what affordable really means.

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The Deputy Mayor for housing, Richard Blake way, joined. Welcome.

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Setting off on a second term, are you worried by the task that is

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ahead of you? It is a huge challenge in London. I think the

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challenge is not a recent one. It has been decades in the making.

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Social housing waiting lists doubled during the boom decade. It

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is a big challenge. With the new powers, we have an opportunity to

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make a difference. It will take many, many years to tackle these

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issues. Latest figures show that in the last year there were just 198

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Stark's for new homes for social rent in the capital. -- 198 spaces.

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If the go is also show that 30,000 affordable homes were completed in

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London last year. That is the highest number since the mid-90s

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mack. The figures show that in one year, housing starts went up 30%.

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The reality is that we are driving through large house building

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programmes, and we have done a record number of affordable homes

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in the first term. We will continue that work. With the considerable

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housing subsidy available, which will come on to, 200 homes for

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social rent started this year. So presumably not many more than that

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will be completed this year. That is not enough. During this year,

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the year we are currently in, our expectation is that we will start

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around 8000 affordable homes. last year, you have started just

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200. That is all that can be completed in this year. The problem

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is you are looking at one particular product. I am looking at

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a particular year. You are looking at one particular year and products.

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If you look at the Big Picture, over these mayoral terms, we will

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deliver 100,000 homes. We have accepted the 50,000 or whatever,

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but I wonder what seems to have gone wrong in the last 12 months

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that we are set to provide just 200 homes next year. Nothing has gone

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wrong. What you have seen is a difficult circumstances, very

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challenging economic circumstances, and a record amount of almost been

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completed. How many social rented homes will there be at the end of

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this year, completed, given that we only started 200 last year. This

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year you will see a large number, thousands of social rented homes

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completed and he will also see affordable rented homes completed

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which are at a range of rents, not 80%. The average is 65%. You'll

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also see opportunities for first- time buyers through low-cost

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ownership. I want to make his point. London's economy relies on a lot of

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people who are not traditionally seen as key workers, people work in

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the service industry, restaurants, retail, hospitality. We have to

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provide them for opportune -- with opportunities to be able to afford

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to live in the city. I think what we're doing is important. Londoners

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have picked up that you have put more emphasis on that. 4000 homes

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overall including this new model, raising it to 60% or 80% of market

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rent, so more expensive than current social housing. Only 4000

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of those overall started this last year. Presumably only around that

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number can be completed next year. Do you accept that? I accept that

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we will deliver 55,000 affordable occupations. In previous years,

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there have been 10 or 11 or 12,000 every year. That transfers to

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13,000 completions the following year. There has been no housing

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this year being built. You know that is not true. In the last year,

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we have done more affordable completions than at any point.

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thinking about next year. And you also know that in the last mayoral

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term we have done a record number of formal completions. And over

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this and Bess and round we will do for 55,000 formal completions.

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is that possible when the money available over the next few years

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is a third to a half of the money available to you over the last

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three years. The model has changed. We are levering in a large amount

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of resources from our providers, from housing associations. In

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London you will see �3 billion coming in from other sources, from

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borrowing, from the capacity, the resources of housing providers. �3

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billion being committed, still in the billions. It is not a gift. How

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are they committing money? It is money that is going to have to be

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paid for subsequently by higher rents. Over this invest around, we

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are providing around �1.7 billion in housing grants. That is matched

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by Housing Association and our providers, who were bringing in

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their own borrowing and resources. We have a match of public and

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private money, which is seeing a housing delivery continue at a high

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level. What you're seeing is affordable completions at a high

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number. It is not just about affordable houses. It is a big area.

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I think it was important we focus on that. Out in Redbridge, 25

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completions of affordable homes last year. After London, not known

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for its affordable housing, the worst record in the capital. Is

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there something going wrong? point is that what is needed is

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quality homes their families wish to live in. There are a number of

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start-ups. You're right, but I can't give you the reasons why the

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completions are low. However, if you look at the period, there will

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be delivery of homes and what I am delighted that is that the mayor

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has insisted that there to 3% of them will be family homes. Richard

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Blake wasted this first off, that this has been a years and years of

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successive governments failing to invest and we are all on a ruptured

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-- we're on an upward trajectory. You have to look at when those

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building projects started. The key here is one of the bigger social

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disasters we have ever seen in this country, the UN control right to

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buy frenzy which is being replicated by Grant Shapps, who has

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come up with an absurd idea that you can sell the council house for

:38:16.:38:22.

a massive discount and then by a new one. The figures are mendacious

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because we have abandoned the affordable housing components of

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the new housing plan. And it was a very sensible thing. If somebody is

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building 100 new roles -- 100 new homes, 50 should be affordable. We

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now have an idea where housing associations are being funded

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directly to provide the housing which then fills in the vacuum, the

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short gap that the mayor is promising to provide. That is

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mendacious. A final point? What you're going to be building, and we

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now know, is going to be 60 and 80% of market rent, be on the reach of

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many people. There is a range of rents being delivered. Three-

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quarters of rented homes will be social rented levels. They will get

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housing benefit as well. By do not think anyone should be no guide the

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opportunity to purchase their own home. -- should be denied. We have

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a range of challenges and I think we have focused on them. We should

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focus on the economic benefits of housing. Also, the opportunity

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gives low-paid Londoners. Close to where they work. We have to tackle

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homelessness and design and quality problems. Those are the challenges.

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Housing numbers are just part of it. There are wide range of challenges

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that we will seek to tackle. that note, thank you very much.

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The Olympics are coming to London, but do they have too many

:39:57.:40:01.

conditions attached? Some have expressed concerns at an

:40:01.:40:05.

overbearing approach to things like restrictions to what marketing

:40:05.:40:10.

businesses can do and what pictures can be uploaded to you chewed by

:40:10.:40:15.

spectators. The games are being organised by the IOC and another

:40:15.:40:20.

company. Have they been invested with too much power?

:40:20.:40:25.

Singapore in 2005, the day before the International Olympic Committee

:40:25.:40:30.

announced who has won the 2012 games. Every city had to find --

:40:30.:40:35.

signed a contract promising all the big bosses powers. New York was

:40:35.:40:41.

bidding and they wanted to renegotiate the split from

:40:41.:40:46.

broadcasting rights. They were told, sign it as it is or you do not

:40:46.:40:50.

enter the ballot. The result is that the IOC and the organisers of

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the London Games have been legally -- invested with legal leash

:40:57.:41:03.

enshrined powers that others could not leave off.

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Local fog and the IOC probably want to behave as if they were at an

:41:09.:41:16.

estate within an estate, in London, they want to impose their vision of

:41:16.:41:22.

a happy city full of happy people while they are here. Olympic

:41:22.:41:25.

officials will receive VIP treatment. They will be fast-

:41:25.:41:32.

tracked through immigration. 30 miles of games lanes will be

:41:32.:41:37.

reserved for officials and sponsors. The important thing is that we have

:41:37.:41:41.

negotiated an agreement about flexibility so that they will

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operate when the are needed and they will not operate when they are

:41:45.:41:49.

not needed. There are not going to set their empty threat the Olympics

:41:49.:41:52.

if there is not a volume of Olympic traffic for which they are

:41:52.:41:58.

designated. Freedom of expression may also be limited to protect

:41:58.:42:03.

broadcasting rights. People will be banned from wobbling videos all to

:42:03.:42:10.

Twitter, Facebook and others have run up works. -- uploading videos.

:42:10.:42:14.

1 Twitter feed that satirise the Games has been closed down on the

:42:14.:42:19.

basis that it was using the 2012 Load & Go. We used to their own

:42:19.:42:29.
:42:29.:42:31.

language, their own terminology, things like "Please enjoy your

:42:31.:42:36.

daily sample of sunshine. EDF Energy will be offering you a

:42:36.:42:42.

specific rate." Companies open to make money out of the game's past

:42:42.:42:48.

two -- have to walk out -- have to watch out. Using words like London

:42:48.:42:51.

and 2012 could lead to legal action. I can understand why they have to

:42:51.:42:56.

protect the brand, there is no question. They have got to raise

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over �2 billion and that is a lot of money. Sponsors spent millions.

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So they have to protect the brand. I think there needs to be common

:43:05.:43:09.

sense. We are a out a a two a team sponsors or keeping Olympic --

:43:09.:43:14.

doing Olympic officials what they asked for, there may have been all

:43:14.:43:20.

London 2012. Officials may vary as to whether it was worth it.

:43:20.:43:26.

Over protecting the brand? Contracts have been signed for

:43:26.:43:29.

billions of pounds with sponsors and built into that sponsorship is

:43:29.:43:34.

the right to use the local. Any company is who have done any

:43:34.:43:38.

services to the Olympics can put it on the website, together with other

:43:38.:43:44.

clients, but not on its own. What about people who want to start up a

:43:44.:43:48.

all the big cafe, or their shoulders about -- stories about

:43:48.:43:56.

somebody making choux buns -- sugar buns in the shape of... Who were

:43:56.:44:03.

that the Government was would have found themselves in these issues.

:44:03.:44:09.

We have a number of cafe Olympus venues around my way. I saw an

:44:09.:44:13.

advert for Olympic Clock dogs. You see all of that, and you have to

:44:13.:44:16.

protect its to a certain extent. But people will do it anyway and

:44:16.:44:23.

these are just warnings. All that because the cream doughnuts, it's

:44:23.:44:29.

ironic, I suppose. -- Olympic donuts. Are we bending the knee too

:44:29.:44:34.

much to the IOC? I am worried. Bending the knee to the IOC, I

:44:34.:44:38.

think we can work on this. Initially, think everyone would

:44:38.:44:42.

that their products, look at the land control and the business of

:44:42.:44:47.

moving people, all of those things. Prison element of something

:44:47.:44:51.

worrying. But just think about the fact that they are probably only

:44:51.:44:55.

commemorating the Munich murders. If someone goes wrong at the

:44:55.:45:01.

Olympics, it could be 10 times the scale all Munich. Paranoid is not

:45:01.:45:06.

the wrong -- and not the right word. We know about jumping queues at

:45:06.:45:12.

immigration. Perhaps special arrangements for Health. Can you

:45:12.:45:16.

understand why these arrangements are in place, and is there a danger

:45:16.:45:19.

and that it could lead to a backlash or resentment if there is

:45:20.:45:25.

chaos in the streets of London? think it is important to stop chaos

:45:25.:45:29.

on the streets, that measures are replaced, and that the lanes should

:45:29.:45:33.

be in use as is being planned at certain times. The difficulty will

:45:33.:45:38.

come that, yes, anyone who says there will not be a burden, that

:45:38.:45:41.

will not be correct. But I hope and believe that the measures in place

:45:41.:45:46.

will be able to cope with it. But what is vitally important and I

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come back to it again is that the games were all was played as they

:45:52.:45:55.

had to have sponsorship for billions of pounds. The people who

:45:55.:45:59.

pay that money expect certain results. I think it is surprising

:45:59.:46:03.

that hospitals are being moved. There are 40 medical suites within

:46:03.:46:08.

the Olympic village. I think it is just an anticipated back up.

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Let's get a round-up in 60 seconds. Plans for the opening Olympic

:46:26.:46:31.

ceremony were unveiled, revealing a vision of the green and pleasant

:46:31.:46:36.

land. It will feature 70 sheep, 12 horses and ten chickens and will

:46:36.:46:40.

cost �27 million! Jeremy Hunt announced the budget

:46:40.:46:47.

for the Games has come in over �400 million under budget. That is from

:46:47.:46:52.

the overall final �9.3 billion budget as opposed to the original

:46:52.:46:57.

one of �2.4 billion. A green light for a levy of up to

:46:57.:47:04.

�2,500 on utility firms who dig up busy roads in London has come into

:47:04.:47:10.

effect. Tube staff have voted for

:47:10.:47:14.

industrial action over a plan to move control centre employees from

:47:14.:47:20.

Piccadilly to Hammersmith. The RMT staff have voted for strike action,

:47:21.:47:29.

citing disagreements over jobs and conditions.

:47:29.:47:35.

I want to talk about roadworks, but you want to talk about this

:47:35.:47:37.

pastoral idyll? One of the interesting facts was they said

:47:38.:47:44.

they were going to use artificial rain. There will be a need for

:47:44.:47:48.

that(!) They may not need the artificial! What about the image?

:47:48.:47:55.

It's very, very interesting. We will see... As bad as that! We will

:47:55.:47:59.

have cricket, a village, animals, ponds... The England we know and

:47:59.:48:03.

love. There is a suggestion that he's released this detail now but

:48:03.:48:13.

there will be surprises in there. Danny Boyle has been cunning! I

:48:13.:48:20.

have never seen anything so bonkers since John Major's thing about

:48:21.:48:26.

drinking warm beer... The grass and the sheep? The idea you can re-

:48:26.:48:35.

create a non-existent Teletubby Middle-earth that never did exist!

:48:35.:48:39.

Somebody there, who is following those two shire horses, appears to

:48:39.:48:43.

be a GM crop protester. We will carry this on. We have to stop.

:48:43.:48:53.
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The week ahead will be dominated by the fallout of the Greek elections

:49:01.:49:07.

and the meetings in Mexico. This morning, we learned Justice Leveson

:49:07.:49:12.

was irritated by comments made by Michael Gove, he was moved to call

:49:12.:49:19.

the Cabinet Secretary to complain. Mr Gove complained Leveson's

:49:19.:49:22.

deliberations were creating a chilling atmosphere towards the

:49:22.:49:32.
:49:32.:49:38.

freedom of the press. It certainly got our Adam all of a Twitter.

:49:38.:49:42.

It's been open season for political watchers as a flock of top

:49:42.:49:50.

politicians landed at the Royal Courts of Justice this week. Here's

:49:50.:49:57.

a big one - it's David Cameron. Giving evidence on Thursday, the

:49:57.:50:01.

PM's feathers looked ruffle when the inquiry turned up a syncy text

:50:01.:50:08.

from the former Sun editor Rebekah Brooks. I'm so rooting for you

:50:09.:50:12.

tomorrow, not just as a personal friend, but because professionally

:50:12.:50:20.

we are definitely in this together. Speech of your life? Yes, he can!

:50:20.:50:25.

The Sun had made this decision to back the Conservatives, to part

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company with Labour, and so the Sun wanted to make sure it was helping

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the Conservative Party put its best foot forward. A lesser spotted

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Miliband. The Labour Leader used his evidence to launch an attack on

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the power of the Murdochs. I don't believe that one person should

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continue to control 37% or 34% of the newspaper market. I would say

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we should have no worries about someone owning up to 20% of the

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newspaper market, there is then a question about between 20-30%,

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where would you set a limit? I can see an ex-Prime Minister. Hang on,

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a flock of ex-Prime Ministers. The rarest of species, Gordon Brown

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raised eyebrows by swearing that no-one working for him ever uttered

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a word against his rivals. LOL. John Major said Rupert Murdoch had

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demanded he change his policy on Europe ahead of the '97 general

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election. Outside the court, it's finally becoming possible to spot

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what Lord Leveson might recommend. The fact that everybody's agreed

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that we shouldn't be having pre- publication scrutiny, there

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shouldn't be any state involvement in censorship, that means that what

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will come out of it will be basically a slightly vamped-up

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Press Complaints Commission and a slightly improved system of

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regulation. And all that's cost �3 million so far, but next month the

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inquiry enters its final phase and then I will have to take my

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binoculars elsewhere. So, how is all that going to play

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in the week ahead? Let's come on to the Prime

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Ministers in a minute. This story the Mail on Sunday, which if you

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read it, it says he probably didn't offer to resign because of the

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criticism. It does seem he called the Cabinet Secretary. This seems

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to be a thin-skinned judge, not used to criticism, these judges?

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is very sensitive. He seems to think he is heading up a judicial

:52:40.:52:44.

inquiry. He should take his position seriously. I think the

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criticism that Gove was making does hold. The question we should be

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asking is what is going to be the outcome of Leveson? We will have an

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overly regulated press that still remains a concentrated in terms of

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its ownership. That is really quite worrying. We need an irreverent

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press. We are all journalists. We know the importance of pushing the

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boundaries. We have to wonder what is going to be the outcome. This

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judge is not very happy at being criticised? This morning, I watched

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again the footage of Leveson ticking off Michael Gove saying, "I

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don't need to be told by you about the importance of free speech." I

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was really struck by the manner in which he said it. He was not happy.

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They are not used to this. other thing that struck me about

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the headline is that if anything, that will embolden Leveson to do

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more. It plays into what we are looking at here. Yes. Is he being

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criticised or is he being undermined? More criticised than

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undermined. I do find it surreal that you would respond to

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criticisms of being uncommitted to free speech by calling up the

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Cabinet Secretary and trying to close down one of your... There is

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an irony there. I'm stunned that he thought this wouldn't come out in

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some form as well. But I think Rowenna Davis is right, the big

:54:07.:54:10.

problem is yet to come. What will Leveson recommend as far as

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regulation goes and how does the Government respond to it? Which

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ever way it goes, it will infuriate some parts of the media. Let's come

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to the Prime Ministers. The consensus I suggest, but see if you

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agree, is that Mr Brown did not enhance his reputation. Mr Major

:54:27.:54:35.

did. David Cameron was doing fine until that amazing text of, "Yes,

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you can!" It is not his fault that he received such a text. The real

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job... We are all in this together. We have to remember this is a

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former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, who point-blank denied he was

:54:48.:54:53.

preparing to call a snap election at the time there were a bunch of

:54:53.:54:55.

limousines going around Parliament Square waiting to pick up ministers

:54:55.:55:00.

to send them out to the country to begin the campaign. So it didn't

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incredibly surprise me to see him being, well, slightly economical

:55:04.:55:08.

with the truth, perhaps that is not entirely fair. I thought this week

:55:08.:55:13.

we saw the very best and the very worst of Gordon Brown, so... Where

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was the best bit? When he was talking about his child with

:55:19.:55:23.

movement, a genuine feeling that we cannot question for his child. The

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worst was when wu get this pathological sense of -- you get

:55:30.:55:34.

this pathological sense of - it must be lying. He seems to believe

:55:34.:55:38.

it himself. If a woman like Rebecca wade did that to your child, and

:55:38.:55:42.

splashed your child's problems all across the front of a tabloid,

:55:42.:55:47.

would you then invite her to slumber parties and go to her

:55:47.:55:52.

wedding? Sarah Brown is the most forgiving person in the world.

:55:52.:55:57.

we any evidence of that? A lot of journalists would say she is quite

:55:57.:56:00.

tough in defence of her family. What was remarkable was that all

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the prominent people who appeared before Leveson gave karktristy

:56:04.:56:07.

performances in the sense that Cameron -- characteristic

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performances in the sense that Cameron was rattled, Gordon Brown

:56:11.:56:19.

thinks there are no limits to people's credulity, John Major is a

:56:19.:56:23.

dignified person, George Osborne can be quite compelling when he ex-

:56:23.:56:28.

pounds on politics. He came across quite well? He did. Ed Miliband was

:56:28.:56:33.

very good. This job was not to cause any fuss so the pressure

:56:33.:56:39.

remained on the Government. I have to say I was expecting a more

:56:39.:56:42.

polished performance from Cameron. When we started this series, I

:56:42.:56:46.

remember you saying Cameron stands like a colossus over Parliament.

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What we saw here, a man who was quite defensive, quite disorganised

:56:51.:56:54.

and those texts I think were damaging. The narrative that

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Miliband's pushing, that this Prime Minister is now taint and this will

:56:59.:57:04.

continue throughout, and... That is characteristic of Cameron, even at

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Prime Minister's Questions, under intense questioning, he does become

:57:09.:57:13.

irritable. Somebody is lying under oath. Both Mr Murdoch and Mr Brown

:57:13.:57:19.

cannot be right about this phone call. Both Mr Brown and all the

:57:19.:57:23.

Blairites cannot be right about the dogs of war being unleashed by Mr

:57:23.:57:29.

Brown. Somebody has lied under oath. One significant point is that Peter

:57:29.:57:33.

Mandelson in his evidence did recall a conversation between

:57:33.:57:37.

Rupert Murdoch and Gordon Brown about exactly the issue that Brown

:57:37.:57:44.

claims was never discussed, so something is - it doesn't stack up.

:57:44.:57:51.

You know people are lying under oath because these positions are

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inconsistent. That is going to be quite damaging for public relations.

:57:56.:58:00.

It should said on Brown's defence, whether he briefed, whether his

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allies briefed against Tony Blair. He didn't say no, he said, "I would

:58:05.:58:10.

hope not." It was unconvincing. He didn't look convinced. He was

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playing with his ear and looking down. That was the most, the most

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jaw-dropping moment when he was saying that. I thought the main

:58:17.:58:22.

phone call was made to Mr Murdoch at the party conference when the

:58:22.:58:28.

Sun was dumping him. That is all for this week. Jo Coburn will be

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