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But stay with us for more drama as we can now go straight | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
to the Sunday Politics with Andrew Neil who's | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
We are indeed in the sunshine. Welcome from the heart of | :00:00. | :00:12. | |
Westminster. Theresa May reappointing key figures | :00:13. | :00:26. | |
to the Cabinet, sacking had to closest aides, Nick Timothy and | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
Fiona Hill. After Conservative MPs demanded their removal in the | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
Conservative failure to win an overall majority in the House of | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
Commons. Over the next hour and a bit we'll continue to take stock on | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
the remarkable events of the last 72 hours and try to work out where we | :00:43. | :00:43. | |
go from here. First though, here's Adam Fleming | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
with a reminder of the high octane I was going to say this | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
chair is quite warm. Michael Fallon's bum | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
was on this chair. Bums on seats, its election | :00:57. | :01:04. | |
night at the BBC, hosted This is David Dimbleby's | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
actual seat! Look, he's got four pencils, | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
stopwatch and a calculator. And what we are saying | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
is the Conservatives Note, they don't have an overall | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
majority at this stage. 314 for the Conservatives, | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
that's down 17. Luckily there were plenty | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
of politicians who never are. What does this exit | :01:34. | :01:43. | |
poll actually mean? Well, if it's accurate it means | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
Theresa May has just presided over the greatest catastrophe that I can | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
think of in the Conservative We haven't seen a seat change hands | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
and we are hearing about possible Conservative gains in the Midlands | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
and losses in London, People will write Ph.D.s about the | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
2017 election Labour candidates were winning | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
in unexpected places. Tories were losing in unexpected | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
places, including eight members of the Government, | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
like Treasury minister The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
held on in Hastings...just. OK, the former Deputy Prime Minister | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
and former leader of the Liberal Democrats, | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
Nick Clegg, has been beaten I've always sought to stand | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
by the liberal values I believe in, but I, of course, have encountered | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
this evening something many people have encountered before tonight, | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight, | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
which is - in politics you live by the sword, and you | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
die by the sword. Lib Dem leader Tim Farron | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
was narrowly re-elected in Cumbria, unlike the SNP's Westminster | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
leader Angus Robertson, who lost his seat, former First | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
Minister Alex Salmond defeated too. The Scottish National Party have | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
lost many fine parliamentarians this evening, and that is a grievous blow | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
to the SNP. But overall the results in Scotland | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
show the SNP will have won a majority of the seats in this | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
country and a majority of the vote. Paul Nuttall failed to get | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
elected in Skegness So, the green room looking a bit | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
ruined, a bit like Ukip I think we are doing | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
better than the SNP. We deliberately didn't stand in some | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
seats to try to give Brexit I think it's quite interesting | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
the main leading Brexit candidates in this election | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
are getting their seat back. Right, it's dawn in the real world | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
and I found a pub that has been open What state are they going | :03:57. | :04:17. | |
to be in, in there? And was it young people | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
who had seen Corbyn, voted, and got the T-shirt who helped | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
the Labour leader to Right, five past five | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
in the morning, we are outside Jeremy Corbyn's house in Islington | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
in north London. Surprisingly small press pack | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
for the man who's destroyed Jeremy! | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
Jeremy! If there is a message from | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
tonight's result, it's this - the Prime Minister called | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
the election because Well, the mandate she's got is lost | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
Conservative seats, lost votes, I would have thought that's enough | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
to go actually and make way for a government that will be truly | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
representative of all Theresa May did the opposite, | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
popping to the palace, What the country needs more | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
than ever is certainty, and having secured the largest | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
number of votes and the greatest number of seats in the general | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
election, it is clear that only the Conservatives and Unionist Party | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
have the legitimacy and ability to provide that certainty | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
by commanding a majority As we do, we will continue to work | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
with our friends and allies, in the Democratic Unionist Party | :05:39. | :05:46. | |
in particular. 15 hours after election night | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
started, it's all over. And joined by Tom Newton Dunn, Julia | :05:53. | :06:24. | |
Hartley-Brewer and Steve Richards. Julia, why did it go so wrong for | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
the Conservatives? You can't run a presidential campaign if you have a | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
candidate with less than the charisma of this desk. If you're not | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
going to put her out to debate, if she's not coming to the people and | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
selling herself, which she studiously didn't do, you can't run | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
that campaign. There was the possibility another leader could | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
have walked that with 800 majority against Jeremy Corbyn. Another | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
campaign, we will never know, could have delivered a majority of 30 or | :06:52. | :06:59. | |
40, without the deal with the DUP. I'm not saying it was fundamentally | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
wrong to call the election at this time, but it was the wrong candidate | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
and the wrong campaign. The third election in a row that Labour has | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
failed to win. It was still a substantial and historic achievement | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
for Jeremy Corbyn. If you consider the context in which this election | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
was called, Theresa May, on her honeymoon to die for, politically, | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
with Labour voters split over Brexit, suddenly calling an election | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
when most Labour MPs were not willing to cooperate with whatever | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
campaign was being held by Labour, for them to do as well as they have | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
done is an extraordinary achievement. They got no more seats | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
than Gordon Brown in 2010, roughly the same. But the context couldn't | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
have been more daunting, and to wipe out a majority of this figure, who | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
six weeks ago was walking on water and appeared to have Brexit as part | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
of her ammunition against the split Labour vote, remains astonishing. | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
One of the errors she made and so many others she made and probably | :08:06. | :08:15. | |
all of us, was to underestimate the potency of Corbyn and the relatively | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
modest social Democrat manifesto. Doesn't it take stupidity bordering | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
on genius to turn a 20 point lead at the start of the campaign into a | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
hung parliament? It does and it did. That's what happened. I think the | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
lead was soft, largely because Theresa May was unknown. We know her | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
because we have been having lunch and interviews with her for years on | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
end. The public didn't know her. They got to know her and they | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
discovered she was the Maybot, which is the term that will stick after | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
this campaign. I differ from my two colleagues here, it wasn't the | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
amazing right of Corbyn, it was a complete failure to remember that | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
people wanted a revolution when they voted for Brexit, and she came | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
across as the party and candidate of continuity. As things stand, we are | :09:05. | :09:12. | |
where we are. Where are we?! Where do we go from here? I was with | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
College Green with you in the early hours of Friday morning and I didn't | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
see anybody that said, see you back here in October. A second election? | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
God forbid, nobody wants a second election, but I can't see the Tories | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
being able to stay in power with the DUP and I'm personally very unhappy | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
with a lot of DUP policies, their stance on gay rights, capital | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
punishment, abortion rights, and there will be an awful lot of | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
people, floating voters, who will recoil in horror at that, even on | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
unofficial lines. I get the sense Jeremy Corbyn will be up for a | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
second election, as quick as it comes. I'm sure he is, and if there | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
was one company might well win it, which is why there won't be. All | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
logic points to another election but I don't think there will be one, | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
because I don't think any Conservative Prime Minister will | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
feel strong and confident enough after the trauma of this. They would | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
have to be 50 points ahead in the polls to take the risk. I think | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
rather like between 74 and 79 we will have a frail and fragile House | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
of Commons with a minority government for quite a long time, | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
simply because whoever is Prime Minister will not have the | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
confidence to call an election. So the Tories fear of a quick second | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
election could well result in them going more leniently on Mrs May than | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
they really want to. We have seen already, Miss Mrs May is still Prime | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
Minister. That wouldn't have happened by now if they thought they | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
could win a second snap election. I think they will stabilise. They are | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
also desperate to get Brexit negotiations underway. That's | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
another reason she is still there. She is the one who needs to pull the | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
trigger. Most of the Tory party are aching to have the trigger pulled. | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
When that is bold, when I have stabilised, and when Jeremy Corbyn | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
is back the House of Commons, where remember he's not very good, I think | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
they might your right. Lots more to talk about. Thank you for being with | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
me in the open air, the Westminster penthouse, open to the world. I just | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
need to find the cocktail bar. Although it is early. | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
So, let's take a look at the election results | :11:27. | :11:28. | |
Here's how the parties fared in the election on Thursday. | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
And here's how they got on in the previous general | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
As you can see, the Labour vote is up dramatically, by ten points. | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
But the Conservative vote also rose quite significantly, by five points. | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
The SNP and the Liberal Democrats both saw declines in their support. | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
And Ukip's vote has almost completely collapsed, | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
from 13% in 2015 to just 2% this time around. | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
So the resurgence of two-party politics is one of the key | :11:49. | :11:57. | |
The combined vote share of the two main parties is now 82%, | :11:58. | :12:06. | |
the highest it's been since the election in 1970. | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
And it's more if you exclude Northern Ireland. | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
That's partly explained by the collapse of Ukip. | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
According to one estimate, the Conservatives may have got 57% | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
It's also thought that last year's EU referendum has helped to polarise | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
support along the traditional Labour and Conservative lines. | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
In polls carried out before the election, | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
it was estimated that 50% of remain voters supported Labour and nearly | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
two-thirds of leave voters supported the Conservatives. | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
There's also speculation that a rise in the number of young voters may be | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
behind the boost in Labour's support - but we don't yet have | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
But it's notable that Labour did well in certain constituencies | :12:51. | :13:00. | |
For example, it's thought that the large number of students | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
in Canterbury helped Labour win the seat for the first time | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
ever, with a 9% swing from the Conservatives. | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
The two main parties have also seen changes in their number of seats. | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
Labour lost six seats but gained 36, giving them a net gain of 30 seats. | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Most of those Labour gains were in England, | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
where the party took 27 seats, mainly from the Conservatives. | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
They also gained three seats in Wales and six | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
As for the Conservatives, they lost a total of 33 | :13:31. | :13:38. | |
seats but also gained 20, giving them a net loss of 13 seats. | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
Most of those 20 Conservative gains came in Scotland, | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
where the party took 12 seats from the SNP. | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
Meaning the Scottish Tories are allowing Mrs May to try to form a | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
government this week! Who would have thought! | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
In England, the Conservatives won | :14:02. | :14:02. | |
Joining me now from Glasgow is the brains behind Thursday | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
night's astoundingly accurate exit poll, the polling expert | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
And John, the Tories saw a 5-point rise in the share of the votes to | :14:08. | :14:26. | |
42%, very high by recent historical standards, but still lost over a | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
dozen seats, why? Under our first past the post electoral system, the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
share of the vote you get is almost irrelevant. What is crucial is how | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
you do relative to your opponents. In particular so far as Conservative | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
and Labour are concerned, what determines the fate is the gap | :14:48. | :14:55. | |
between them. In the 2015 election, the Conservatives had a 7-point | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
lead, that only got them a majority of 12, and somebody should have said | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
to the Prime Minister before she pulled the trigger, you do realise | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
you have to be a long way ahead of the Labour Party in order to | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
increase your majority. The opinion polls say you are at that point now | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
but if they fall you are in trouble. In the end of the Conservative lead | :15:17. | :15:23. | |
is 2.5 points, which is not enough to secure a majority given that | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
Northern Ireland is out of the frame, Scotland still has a majority | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
of third party MPs, and there are still Liberal Democrats and greens. | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
This now looks like a two party race once again. We have still got much | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
more in the House of Commons than in 1970 which makes a hung parliament | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
much more likely. Meanwhile there weren't that many marginal seats. It | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
is the relative standing of the parties that's crucial. And how do | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
we explain the 10% rise in Labour's share of the vote? There's a lot of | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
anecdotal evidence of a youth Surge, and I'd like to know if we can nail | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
that down, but also the work of the swings too. Some green voters moved | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
into Labour, some Liberal Democrats, even perhaps some Ukip voters moved | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
into Labour, what do we know? I think we can pick up three crucial | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
patterns. The first is a lot of people who at the beginning of the | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
campaign said are usually vote Labour but cannot imagine doing so | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
under Jeremy Corbyn, he so hopeless. Because of his relatively strong | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
performance they came back into the fold so by the time we got to | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
polling day there was many 2015 voters who said they would vote | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
Labour again. That was the crucial point, getting the faithful back on | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
board. It is certainly clear there was a substantial swing to young | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
voters during the campaign. Labour started off well in that group, the | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
opinion polls had it around 65% by the time the election came. We don't | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
know exactly the turnout amongst young people, but certainly the | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
pattern of the results suggests the turnout was going up more in places | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
where there were young people so probably somewhat more of them did | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
turn out to vote. The third crucial patent is that this was an election | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
which to some degree voters did polarise around the issue of the | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
shape of Brexit, weather you are a Remain or Leave voter. Labour's | :17:44. | :17:55. | |
progress during the campaign was disproportionately amongst Remain | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
voters so although the parties were not thought to be that far apart on | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
the shape of Brexit, they seem to be sufficiently far apart that Labour | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
was more attractive for those less keen on the kind of Brexit Theresa | :18:08. | :18:15. | |
May had in mind. John Curtice, thank you as always. We are now going to | :18:16. | :18:25. | |
Salford. Graham Brady, you think Mrs May should soldier on, why? There's | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
no other party in a position to form a government. Clearly these aren't | :18:33. | :18:40. | |
the circumstances that either the Prime Minister nor I nor my | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
colleagues would want to be dealing with at the moment but this is what | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
we are presented with and it's our duty to make the best of it and try | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
to offer government as resilient as it can be an quite difficult times. | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
But is she ever going to be more than a caretaker leader now? I think | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
one of the odd things about the experience of the last 12 months is | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
Theresa May performed well as Prime Minister and the public rather liked | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
her as Prime Minister. I think few people would say the campaign | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
succeeded in projecting her qualities as strongly as it could | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
and should have done. As we return to government, albeit in difficult | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
circumstances and dependent on support from other parties, I think | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
we will see people once again seeing the steady, calm, thoughtful Theresa | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
May as Prime Minister. Do you fear a leadership election might lead to a | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
second general election, and that prospect terrifies you, doesn't it? | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
I'm not sitting here terrified, but I think there is zero appetite | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
amongst the public for another general election at the moment, and | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
I don't detect any great appetite amongst my colleagues for presenting | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
the public with a massive additional dose of uncertainty by getting | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
involved in a rather self-indulgent Conservative Party internal election | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
campaign. That's because they are frightened they might lose, that's | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
why they don't want another one. I think most of us are motivated by a | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
belief in the national interest and we are responsible people who want | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
to try to offer that responsible, steady government, especially at | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
this point as we know it's just a matter of days until those important | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
negotiations on leaving the European Union begins. It's a time when we | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
need experience and responsible people in Government, and I think | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
it's our duty to try to offer that. Many Tories have said to me that Mrs | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
May must never be allowed to leave your party into another general | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
election, do you agree with that? No, these are judgments that will be | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
made in the fullness of time by the Prime Minister and by colleagues, as | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
is always the case with any Prime Minister and leader of the party, | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
but at the moment we are resolutely focused on trying to make sure the | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
country can have the responsible study government that it really | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
needs at this point, and that should be our focus too. In what way should | :21:12. | :21:21. | |
Mrs May change? I think there are all sorts of lessons we can pick up | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
from the campaign and the reaction to it, even from the thing that | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
surprised most of us, the way in which Jeremy Corbyn, in spite of all | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
of his manifest failings, in particular his extreme political | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
views, was able to present himself in a rather avuncular way. I didn't | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
ask about Mr Corbyn. I'm saying I think there are some lessons there, | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
in terms of relaxing little bit into communicating with the electorate. | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
It is something she does very well in person, increasingly so since she | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
became Prime Minister. That's not the experience of the campaign, the | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
more people saw her the more they didn't like the colour of her gym. | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
It didn't communicating the campaign, but also I think we need | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
to see a much more open and inclusive approach within | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
government, within Parliament as well. That's not just a kind of | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
desirable outcome, which I think always would have been desirable and | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
I've had this conversation with previous prime ministers as well. | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
It's a necessity in the circumstances, trying to make a hung | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
parliament and minority government work really requires a much more | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
inclusive approach. You are being brought into the decision taking | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
process on the deal being done with the DUP? I have said to the Prime | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
Minister I think it is important she speaks to colleagues as soon as | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
possible. I'm hoping to bring it forward to tomorrow so she can | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
talk... But are you being involved in this more inclusive process? I am | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
not on a negotiating team but I saw the Prime Minister very early after | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
the election had taken place, I went to London on Friday afternoon and | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
met with her and we had a discussion about all sorts of things that need | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
to be addressed over the coming days and weeks. When Mrs May spoke in | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
Downing Street after she'd gone to see the Queen, it was another | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
robotic performance. It didn't even express any regrets for the Tories | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
that had lost. You had to into being to get her to make a second | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
statement, didn't you? No, she was already going to give the interview | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
she gave. You urged her to do so. She was already scheduled to give | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
the interview. I happen to see her in between the statement and | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
interview, and I was keen to press home that in the past Conservative | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
Party that has been very poor in its communications with colleagues who | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
have lost their seats in the general election, that is something none of | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
my colleagues likes to see so I certainly did say that I think it's | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
important we do better this time. What bits of the manifesto will you | :24:20. | :24:28. | |
now have to jumk for the Queen 's speech? That will be an interesting | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
process to witness. I don't think it will just be the Queen 's speech, it | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
will be the whole experience of government. There's no point in | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
sailing ahead with items that were in the manifesto which we won't get | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
through Parliament so I think we will have to work very carefully. No | :24:51. | :24:58. | |
doubt we will slim down the Queen's speech. So tell me, which bits will | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
you have to junk? Back to the triple lock on pensioners and no grammar | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
schools? How about that? I would be upset if we couldn't make any | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
progress on allowing people to have a choice of grammar schools if they | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
wanted. Are you hoping they will drop it? If we cannot get things | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
through Parliament, we cannot do them so I certainly would suggest | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
that we can look for instance at a rather modest sort of pilots, | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
opening some state grammar schools in inner urban areas, especially | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
where education at the moment is not offering great opportunities to | :25:42. | :25:43. | |
people of lower income backgrounds. I think that is something that could | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
command quite broad support. I have heard from friends on the Labour | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
ventures quietly that they would like that approach to be taken. We | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
will certainly have to trim our policies carefully according to what | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
we think Parliament will support. Graham Brady in Salford, thank you. | :26:04. | :26:10. | |
Let's go to Nottingham where I am joined by Anna Soubry. In the early | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
hours of Thursday morning you called on Theresa May to consider her | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
position. Is that still your view? Yes, she obviously has considered | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
her position and she is set to go in due course, but I very much agree | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
with Graham, we don't want her to go now. We want a period of stability | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
and she has got to reach out and form a consensus and she has got to | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
form a consensus in particular on Brexit. She has now got to make sure | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
she understands that the British people have rejected a hard Brexit. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
We are leaving the EU, I don't think there's any change there but we are | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
not going to be leaving the EU in some irresponsible weights that will | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
damage future generations in our country and there's a big lesson to | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
be learned as you've already identified in your programme, about | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
younger people and the message they have sent out in this election. I | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
will come onto Brexit in the moment, but you have said she is set to go | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
in due course, what does that mean? I don't know. After the summer, | :27:16. | :27:24. | |
before the end of the year? I would have thought so. She is flawed, | :27:25. | :27:32. | |
she's in a desperate situation. Her position is untenable and I think | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
she knows that and she is doing the right thing, which is she's got rid | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
of these special advisers, she's brought in Gavin Barwell, and she's | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
listening to people from all parts of not just the party but the | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
country. She has got to reach out more and broaden the base within her | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
Cabinet, and she's got to include people from all parts of my party as | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
well as all points of view across Parliament. So what impact in your | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
view will, as you describe it, Mrs May's much more weakened position, | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
what impact will that have on her current Brexit stance? Will she have | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
to change it and water it down? Yes, absolutely. The country did not vote | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
for a hard Brexit. This is based on my experience of having knocked on | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
the literally thousands of dollars, actually since February. I have | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
listened to a lot of people, and the idea of a hard Brexit, people didn't | :28:31. | :28:39. | |
like that. It's one of the reasons we haven't won this election. They | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
accept we are leaving, I accept it, but we want to get the best deal and | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
she must not turn her back on British business as I'm afraid she | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
has. She's got to listen to British business and Philip Hammond, she's | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
got to listen to Greg Clark. Wise owls who know what British business | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
once and they want that single market and they also wanted proper | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
immigration policy that recognises we need immigrants and free movement | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
in order for British business to continue to flourish. | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
She has to at least listen to these things, and she hasn't in the past. | :29:17. | :29:23. | |
Is that what Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, about | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
the only Conservative to emerge with credit on Thursday, is that what she | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
means? We should remain members of the single market, remain in the | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
customs union and put the economy before immigration. Is that what you | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
are talking about? Absolutely. And I always have. And in my literature I | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
made it very clear I would continue to make the case for the single | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
market and positive benefits of immigration. Although my majority | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
was reduced, I put on 1800 more votes. It's not about me, obviously, | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
it's about me being a Conservative, but I made my position clear and I | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
have not faulted on that. Turning our back on the customs union in | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
particular is the stuff of madness. The single market sees off the | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
Nationalists and their desire for a second referendum, although the | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
mighty Ruth Davidson is already done that with her remarkable result in | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
Scotland, but it would also solve the problem with Ireland. Don't you | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
risk reopening all those Tory divisions over Europe on this? I | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
haven't. You have held these views for a long time. There are 20 of | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
other, probably more Tories, who want what you call a hard Brexit. -- | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
plenty of other. It's what the people want. But you don't have a | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
majority. At this election the people have spoken and they have | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
rejected the hard Brexit. I think we can all agree on that. That doesn't | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
mean to say we are not leaving the EU, we will leave the EU, and I | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
believe even people who voted to remain accept we are leaving. I | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
found very few angry Remainers on the doorsteps. People accept the | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
result, but they do not want a hard Brexit. That's the message coming | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
out from this and I hope Theresa May gets that. If she does, then she has | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
to build the con census. There's nothing to stop her working with | :31:23. | :31:28. | |
sensible people in the Labour Party, who also accept the referendum | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
result, no we will be leaving the EU, and know we have to get the best | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
deal, and we can't close our minds on the single market and Customs | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
union. What are the bits of the Tory manifesto you will now have to drop | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
to keep your new bedfellows happy in the DUP? I don't think we have | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
reached a deal yet with the DUP. But that is the aim. Apparently it's the | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
aim. I will tell you now, Andrew, you probably know far more than I | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
do. I get on well with a number of members of the DUP. I don't like a | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
lot of their policies on abortion, gay and lesbian issues, I completely | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
disagree with them, but if we can put those issues aside and put the | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
focus on making a stable government and putting the national interest | :32:19. | :32:25. | |
first, we might well make strides forward. Many people have been | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
talking about public services and public sector pay, but we have to do | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
recognise that at the same time we are going into choppy economic | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
waters, and that's why I think it's so important Theresa May listens to | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
Philip Hammond and puts him much more at the core and front of this | :32:48. | :32:50. | |
government. It's the economy that matters more than anything else. | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
That's one of the spectacular failings of the campaign. The issue | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
that was hardly mentioned during the campaign. Never mentioned it. Anna | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
Soubry, we will leave it there. After Theresa May had been to see | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
the Queen at Buckingham Palace on Friday she made a brief statement on | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
Friday. We can remind ourselves what she said. | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
We will continue to work with our friends and allies, | :33:16. | :33:17. | |
in the Democratic Unionist Party in particular. | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
Our two parties have enjoyed a strong relationship over many | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
years, and this gives me the confidence to believe | :33:22. | :33:23. | |
that we will be able to work together in the interests | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
This will allow us to come together as a country | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
and channel our energies towards a successful | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
Brexit deal that works for everyone in this country. | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
Securing a new partnership with the EU that guarantees our | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
That's what people voted for last June, that's what we will deliver. | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
I've been joined by the Conservative MP Dominic Raab - | :33:49. | :34:02. | |
a former government minister who's been tipped for a return in Theresa | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
We shall see. Welcome to the programme. Her two most senior | :34:06. | :34:14. | |
advisers have fallen on their swords. Most of the Cabinet has gone | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
to ground since the result. Could Theresa May be any more isolated? I | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
don't think that's true. You have three Cabinet ministers doing | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
television this morning. We are in the middle of a reshuffle, so you | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
wouldn't expect them all to be out on the airwaves, and we also in the | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
business of hammering out the detail on the supply and confidence | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
arrangement with the DUP. Where are we on that? On the question of Chief | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
of staff, a new appointment has been made, Gavin Barwell, I know him | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
well, a smart policy guide and also very sensitive on the political | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
radar and that shows we are moving forward. It was forced on her. I | :34:51. | :34:57. | |
think they did the honourable thing. The two aids that fell on their | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
sword? Yes. The key point is, looking forward, which we have to | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
do, we had the outcome of the election and the people have spoken | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
and we have to make the best of it. Gavin Barwell is an important | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
appointment. Conservative MPs across-the-board know, respect and | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
trust him. Nobody in the country has heard of him, but maybe that doesn't | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
matter. How many had heard of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill before they | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
were appointed? They do now. Do you agree with Anna Soubry that Theresa | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
May is no more than a caretaker Prime Minister now? I don't. | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
Emotions are way up. But we still won the most votes and most seats. | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
My reading from talking to MPs across-the-board is the overwhelming | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
majority want to see Theresa May continue in office. As a matter of | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
necessity, the people have spoken, and we have to respect what the | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
people have decided, so we will do this supply and confidence | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
arrangement with the DUP. There are strong areas of overlap but we don't | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
agree on everything. The key thing is to give the country certainty and | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
direction moving forward. That's the only viable option and people are | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
rallying behind that. Not all. George Osborne said this morning on | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
the BBC that Mrs May was a dead woman walking. He has made the | :36:16. | :36:25. | |
transition from Conservative MP to mischievous journalist with ease. | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
Most MPs when they listen to that will think it's disloyal, | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
unprofessional and frankly pretty self-indulgent. In reality I think | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
it will shore up support among a lot of MPs for Theresa May. What went | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
wrong? I'm not going to candy coat, sugar-coat the result here. We did | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
far worse than expected and we need to figure out the lessons to learn. | :36:46. | :36:54. | |
I know it went wrong, but why? There isn't anyone thing. You have to take | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
time to learn the lessons. We need to show some humility about the | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
result. Nick Timothy has written a column that touches on some of the | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
issues from his perspective. To be honest with you, I'm focused now, I | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
missed all the drama and disappointment of not getting the | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
result we wanted, focus on the facts. We got 56 more seats than the | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
Labour Party and we are the only ones who can put together a | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
legitimate parliament that can also be affected, passing a judgment and | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
pass legislation, however tricky it may be. That remains to be seen, you | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
might not be able to do that. We are the only ones, with the DUP, who | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
could form a viable and effective government that would reflect | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
legitimately the outcome of the election and we will focus 100% on | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
that. Let's do that. Mrs May promised strength and stability. We | :37:43. | :37:44. | |
now have a hung parliament and she is dependent on the DUP for the | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
slimmest of majorities. There is nothing strong and stable about | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
that. I have said to you, I will not tell you this result is the one we | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
wanted. We are disappointed. It's not strong and stable. It can still | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
be effective. It's also the only outcome that can respect and be | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
legitimate of the outcome of the election. At the end of the day, we | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
had campaigning, we can differ on the opinions, but the facts and | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
parliamentary arithmetic is there. The only way we can have an | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
effective government of any time that Del Paso budget is the | :38:19. | :38:20. | |
Conservatives with the support of the DUP. To do that you'll have to | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
make compromises you would not have to do make if you had won a | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
substantial majority. What part of the manifesto will have to go to get | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
a budget and a confidence motion through? 48 hours after the election | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
I can't answer that definitively. What we do have to do, every MP, | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
whatever part of the country they were elected, has to deliver as best | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
can be manifesto commitments. At the same time, that's what the country | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
expects. At the same time we had forced on us the need to be | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
flexible. The people didn't vote for your manifesto in the end. Something | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
has to go. The triple lock for pensioners that you were going to | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
change, the DUP is in favour of the triple lock. Does that bit of the | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
manifesto go? You can ask me any aspect of the manifesto, we'll know | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
more answers the detail next week. You were on our programmes more than | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
any Cabinet minister. You will be drafted back in. You should know. I | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
don't bet too much money on the tittle tattle in the media. We have | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
the outline of the supply and confidence arrangement with the DUP. | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
We are hammering out the details. Next week we will publish the | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
details. What about social care? You asking me about different points in | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
a manifesto but you know I can't answer that question until... I want | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
to deliver as much of the manifesto as possible. You don't have a | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
mandate to do that. That's because we've got... The Queen's speech is | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
only a week away, a week tomorrow. You are trying to work out what | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
parts, Labour lost, but you didn't win, and I'm trying to work out how | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
you just said we will have to comprise and make changes. It's | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
legitimate to ask which parts... I'm explaining I don't have the answers | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
on the detail because until we have formed the supply and confidence | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
arrangement with the DUP, we will not have those details. My starting | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
point is that we deliver as much of the manifesto as we conceivably can. | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
That's what the country expects because that's what they are elected | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
us to do. They have given us their verdict, we need to respect the | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
outcome of the election and we will not do it in the same way will as if | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
we had a stonking majority, obviously. The result has given a | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
kind of new spring in the step of politicians who wanted to remain in | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
the European Union. What do you make, and we heard Anna Soubry, and | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
many others have said it as well, that you need to reconsider your | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
Brexit stands, and in their language community soften your Brexit stands. | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
Whether you are a Scottish, Welsh or English MP, elected to Parliament | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
behind me on the basis of a manifesto that sets out in great | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
detail, a 75 page white Paper, the approach to Brexit. All this talk of | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
hard Brexit, our ambition is to get the best possible deal we can with | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
our EU partners. Do you change your stands because you didn't get a | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
majority for your Brexit position. Do you follow the advice of Ruth | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
Davidson, who talked of an open Brexit, framing a new Brexit | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
strategy? Hard and soft Brexit, I don't know exactly what Ruth means | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
by that. But she did a great job in Scotland. But every MP was elected | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
on our manifesto. We will deliver the plans of that manifesto as best | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
we can, including and especially on Brexit. Just a point of fact, | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
obviously be Conservative number of votes went up, Labour effectively... | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
The vote share went up, but we lost seats, but we are 56 seats ahead of | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
the Labour Party. The Labour Party effectively endorsed the leave the | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
EU strategy we set out and they didn't offer a alternative. So no | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
change on the Brexit strategy? And the anti-Brexit parties, the SNP and | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
Lib Dem, both suffered a fall in their vote share. The country has | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
said they want us to make a success of Brexit. So no change? The plans | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
in the White Paper set out are the right ones and the voters expect us | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
to deliver on the manifesto we ran on, whether you are a Scottish, | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
English or Welsh MP. I can hear your helicopter arriving to whisk you off | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
to the wry ministerial meeting. Let us know what job you get. Viewers in | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
Scotland will leave us for Sunday Politics Scotland now. Jeremy | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
Corbyn... Jeremy Corbyn may have | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
lost the election, but he's clearly cock-a-hoop | :42:48. | :42:49. | |
with the big increase in Labour's share of the vote and | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
the nmber of Labour On Friday he called | :42:52. | :42:53. | |
on Theresa May to resign, and said he was ready to govern | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
the country as a minority Speaking this morning, the Labour | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
leader said he thought there could be another election in the near | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
future. I think it's quite possible that there will be an election later | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
this year or early next year. And that might be a good thing, because | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
we cannot go on with a period of great instability. We have a | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
programme, we have the support, and we are ready to fight another | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
election campaign as soon as may be because you want to be able to serve | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
the people of this country on the agenda we put forward, which is | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
transformative, and has gained amazing levels of support. People | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
say, hang on, why are my children worse off than we are, why are my | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
grandchildren? This election wasn't just about Brexit, there was | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
something different about it. It was challenging the economic consensus | :43:47. | :43:47. | |
that has impoverished Sony people. The Labour | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
leader speaking earlier this morning. | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
We've been joined by the Shadow Health Secretary, Jon Ashworth. | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
A lot of Labour people have been behaving as if you have won this | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
election, can I point out you have lost three in a row? | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
Yes, but undoubtedly momentum is with us, and momentum is important | :44:12. | :44:21. | |
in politics. It looks like they got the young vote out and that's why | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
you did better-than-expected. The young vote certainly came out for | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
Labour. I found on my part of the world Tory voters switching to | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
Labour over things like the dementia tax, but I also think Ukip | :44:36. | :44:42. | |
supporters voted heavily for Labour because we wanted to invest heavily | :44:43. | :44:49. | |
in the NHS and schools, and people are fed up of cuts to public | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
services and the austerity agenda. So it was a good manifesto? You were | :44:54. | :45:00. | |
happy with it? Yes, I was part of putting it together. You would be | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
happy to fight another election based on that manifesto? Yes, I put | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
together the health section of that manifesto, which gives nurses and | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
midwives of the pay rise, I'm very happy with that manifesto. And yet, | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
you have this manifesto you were happy with, you will rub against a | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
Prime Minister who wanted to fight a personality led presidential | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
campaign, it then turned out the British people didn't think she had | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
much personality and wasn't presidential in nature. You had | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
momentum and you ended up winning no more seats than Gordon Brown in the | :45:38. | :45:45. | |
collection of 2010. Given where we were seven weeks ago, I looked at | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
the opinion polls and thought crikey, this could not be a good | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
result for Labour potentially. Theresa May thought she would have a | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
landslide victory and that's why she put her party first in going for | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
this snap election, and undoubtedly this campaign changed things. I | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
think the key moment was the manifesto week when the Labour Party | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
but forward proposed policies to the country which excited many people, | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
and the Tory party came forward with the dementia tax, getting rid of the | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
winter fuel payment, I think that was a turning point in the election. | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
What does Mr Corbyn do now? When I spoke to Ken Livingstone on Friday | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
he said we did so well on a socialist manifesto, we need more of | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
this. We need more socialism and we will do even better. Is that the | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
lesson Jeremy Corbyn will take or try to reach out more to the centre | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
of his party, now his position is unassailable does he try to reach | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
out beyond his own group? I think there is broad unity and the whole | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
party will come together to take on the Conservatives, who now have a | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
huge problem in Parliament. They can only offer a weak and unstable | :47:00. | :47:09. | |
government. She's trying to cobble together this supply and confidence | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
agreement with the DUP which means all of the decisions in Parliament | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
will be taken on a case-by-case basis. It isn't just the votes on | :47:17. | :47:26. | |
the floor of the House, all of is the statutory instruments will rely | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
on the support of the DUP. She will not be able to guarantee she can get | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
her programme through. We are likely to sue the Government collapse or | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
have a zombie Parliament where we are not debating and voting on | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
legislation because she knows she cannot get it through. If that's the | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
case, even if she puts together a deal with the DUP and it gets off | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
the ground but runs into the kind of difficulties you quite rightly say | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
are possible, and she cannot continue, should Mr Corbyn try to | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
form a minority government? I think so, I think we should try to put our | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
programme of getting rid of tuition fees, investing in the NHS, and ask | :48:04. | :48:11. | |
the other parties to support us. I'm anticipating your next question | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
which is what happens if that doesn't work, well then we are | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
probably heading to another general election at some point. I cannot | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
seem Theresa May surviving as the Prime Minister for the rest of this | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
Parliament for another five days to be frank but who knows. It's likely | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
that you think Mrs May cannot make this work, she can start to make it | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
work but as time goes on it could become more difficult, that Labour | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
could try to form a minority government but given that the | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
Parliamentary arithmetic is not great for her, it is much worse for | :48:43. | :48:50. | |
you, that it may not work? Yes, but you have a responsibility to try and | :48:51. | :48:59. | |
to challenge the other parties to support us honour policies of | :49:00. | :49:02. | |
investing in the NHS, investing in childcare, so that will be a | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
challenge for us but if the Conservatives cannot form a | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
government we would have to take up that responsibility. John McDonnell, | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
the Shadow Chancellor, said to me during the campaign there would be | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
no deals. You don't have to have deals. As I said to him, we have all | :49:21. | :49:35. | |
seen Borgen! They require deals, you have got to give them something. But | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
when you have an minority government, challenging MPs on the | :49:40. | :49:47. | |
other side to support new... My voters in Leicester South were not | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
invited to make a judgment on the DUP manifesto and yet we could have | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
a Conservative government propped up by the time being by the DUP, even | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
though that will have a huge impact on the peace process. I think it is | :50:00. | :50:08. | |
a different arrangement. A minority Labour government wouldn't | :50:09. | :50:11. | |
necessarily rule out getting support from the DUP, they might need it? If | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
they vote for us, everyone will see it because it will be transparent in | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
the way they vote. It does seem we are in for a period of instability | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
in British politics, that is the outcome of this election, and | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
usually when that happens it leads to a second election quite quickly. | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
It could lead to that, and it is ironic given the Tories promised a | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
strong and stable government, and the chaos she warned of is actually | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
chaos in the Tory party, but look at the number of seats in play at the | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
next election now. It will be a Labour Tory stand-off and as a whole | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
range of seats now with Tory majorities of a few hundred which | :50:53. | :50:58. | |
Labour is targeting. Seats which based on the 2015 result we didn't | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
think we could win. And Scotland is in play for Labour again, and it is | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
Scottish MPs sustaining Theresa May in Government at the moment. The | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
message in Scotland will be, if you want a Labour government, both | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
Labour. I bet you never thought you would say that, but let's leave it | :51:19. | :51:19. | |
there. It's just gone 10:50am, | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers in Wales | :51:25. | :51:26. | |
and Northern Ireland. Coming up here in twenty | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
minutes, the Week Ahead. First though, the Sunday | :51:30. | :51:31. | |
Politics where you are. Raking over the coals with me, | :51:32. | :51:40. | |
two freshly mandated Greg Hands for the Conservatives - | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
he comfortably held the seat And Labour's Meg Hillier, | :51:47. | :51:52. | |
who has secured another term in Hackney South and Shoreditch, | :51:53. | :52:01. | |
scraping home with You must be disappointed you didn't | :52:02. | :52:11. | |
get to a tee. It's a huge responsibility to have that but it's | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
been a great election for Labour, it's not quite got us into | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
government and that's the next challenge. Theresa May asked the | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
country to trust her and the country gave her hands down. What went | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
wrong? Labour have lost three elections in a row, they have no | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
more seats than Gordon Brown won in 2010 but clearly it's a | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
disappointing result for us. We did have some good results in London, | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
some of my colleagues bucked the trend. I think we should have done | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
better and I'm disappointed, but we are still the largest party, Theresa | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
May will carry on as Prime Minister, we will carry on in Government | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
continuing to deliver for the British people. What you think went | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
wrong? The election was very long, it was a long campaign. Going for a | :53:03. | :53:10. | |
start election and then having a seven and a half week campaign -- | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
going for a snap election. He just got worse as every week went by? It | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
just felt like a long campaign, and a long campaign opens up things that | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
might not have always happened. It gives people an chance to look at | :53:26. | :53:34. | |
your leader and policies? No, but clearly the election was going to be | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
dominated by Brexit and the economy, and ultimately security. I think we | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
underplayed the economy and didn't really remind people of the economic | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
record we had, and also some of the basic facts of the economy that were | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
still running a budget deficit of ?57 billion. There isn't a lot of | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
money available for the sort of things Jeremy Corbyn was offering in | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
a non-clustered weights. What went right, was it because you provided | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
these goodies? The manifesto did help but people were fed up with | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
austerity. They thought there's another way to do this, and what | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
Labour showed once there's hope for a different kind of government and | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
austerity just for the sake of it as a policy, there is no hope at the | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
end of the austerity tunnel and Labour was offering a real | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
alternative, and also a lot of young voters came our way. Let's look at | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
what happened in more detail. RETURNING OFFICER: | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
The Labour Party, 34,000... Sheer disbelief, spontaneous dancing | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
and even tears of joy. Just six weeks ago, | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
Labour were preparing But as Thursday night went on, | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
it was win after win. The first big surprise | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
was in Battersea, where they managed to unseat | :54:54. | :54:55. | |
government minister Jane Ellison. Last week, one of the few opinion | :54:56. | :54:57. | |
polling companies who predicted a hung parliament said Labour | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
would win Battersea, and it was met including by people in the Labour | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
Party. But the dire warnings | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
from many of the party's MPs, that under Jeremy Corbyn | :55:07. | :55:09. | |
they would be doomed, at least in London they looked | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
far out indeed. They won 55% of the vote and two | :55:13. | :55:14. | |
thirds of all seats. Less than a year ago, | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
the mayor was one of those He wasn't in the mood for talking | :55:18. | :55:20. | |
on Thursday, and indeed, it could be that his reputation | :55:21. | :55:27. | |
of being a special type Last year, when Sadiq Khan won, | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
it looked as if Sadiq Khan Now we see that the Labour Party | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
as a whole, and also 20 of so perhaps Sadiq Khan's magic, | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
as it was seen last year, is just Labour magic that has | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
rubbed off on the mayor. I'd like to say thank | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
you to my family, my mum... That big Labour turnout was also | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
on display in Croydon Central where the Conservatives lost | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
Minister for London Gavin Barwell. We actually got more | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
votes than last time. The Labour Party did an amazing job | :56:09. | :56:09. | |
of turning people out. Turnout was well up and they turned | :56:10. | :56:12. | |
out a whole load of voters that In 2015 you would knock on the door | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
and a young person would come to the door and they would say, | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
I'll get my mum. This time, someone would come | :56:21. | :56:22. | |
to the door and say, I don't know how I'm voting, | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
but my son is voting Labour. Once upon a time, London | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
was a swing city - it voted much like the rest | :56:31. | :56:33. | |
of the country did. But for the last 25 years, | :56:34. | :56:35. | |
the Labour vote here has got stronger and stronger, | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
to the point where in this general election, the party almost | :56:39. | :56:40. | |
dominates the capital. Perhaps clues might be found | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
in what's probably the most surprising result of this | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
astonishing election, The seat with the highest | :56:52. | :56:53. | |
average salary in UK, coming in it at over | :56:54. | :57:03. | |
?140,000 a year. I know people here, | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
they vote for social value and their morals, | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
values, whatever you want to say, In a lot of this constituency, | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
that's what they think about. How do we keep our neighbourhoods | :57:14. | :57:23. | |
together, and so on. But this seat is so associated | :57:24. | :57:25. | |
with a certain type of Conservative that David Cameron and his closest | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
allies were even nicknamed So when the Conservative Party | :57:30. | :57:31. | |
replaced the Notting Hill Set with Theresa May, could it be | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
they also lost a kind This might not be the most normal | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
place in the city by any stretch, but the fact David Cameron | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
and George Osborne at least lived here, well, does that mean | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
they understood London in a way that Theresa May | :57:46. | :57:47. | |
never quite did? Or could it be that whoever | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
is in charge, the Conservative brand David Cameron still comes down | :57:52. | :57:54. | |
this street for coffee. He is not necessarily | :57:55. | :58:01. | |
warmly welcomed, actually, because of the mess he brought | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
with the vanity project The Conservatives, though, were | :58:07. | :58:08. | |
celebrating their success in London. The Conservatives last won | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
a majority in London in 1992, If they ever want to win | :58:13. | :58:14. | |
a comfortable majority in the country, let alone | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
a landslide, they will have to find a way to win back what's now, | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
more than ever, a Labour city. Greg Hands, Notting Hill's George | :58:23. | :58:34. | |
Osborne said this morning, and you will have seen and heard it, that | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
Theresa May is a dead woman walking. Do you agree? I don't. She'll carry | :58:39. | :58:46. | |
on as Prime Minister. I believe she has the support of Conservative MPs. | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
We need her as Prime Minister to go forward from here with Brexit talks | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
starting a week tomorrow. We have to make sure we have a steady | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
government in place. Your close colleague, you saw him in a lift not | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
so long ago. George is now doing a different job. He is editor of the | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
London Evening Standard and will give his view, to which he is | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
perfectly entitled, but not necessarily one with which I agree. | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
Your party asked Londoners to consider this as a question of | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
leadership. That was the basis of the whole campaign. What do you | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
make, and what do you say about her now and her style of leadership, | :59:26. | :59:29. | |
given that Londoners certainly, and the country to an extent, have given | :59:30. | :59:37. | |
a negative verdict. The Conservatives are still the largest | :59:38. | :59:39. | |
party. It was a disappointment, but we still won the general election | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
and is Theresa May is leader of the largest party in a House of Commons. | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
It's quite normal for her to carry on as Prime Minister and form her | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
government. I hope there will be a couple of changes. Our message on | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
the economy needs to be stronger. We need to keep repeating our great | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
economic successes of the last seven years and make sure we continue to | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
keep pointing out to the British people that the job isn't yet | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
finished. We have a budget deficit in this country. We have to do a lot | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
more to help working people. There are 3 million more working people in | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
the country than there were in 2010. That's the sort of thing we need to | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
emphasise going forward. Meg Hillier, are you ready to form a | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
government? We relish the chance to do it, but we can't do it with the | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
numbers right now. We need another election. Epic Theresa May is | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
dented. The idea that they are united behind her, the airwaves have | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
been full of messages saying that they are fragmented behind her. Do | :00:38. | :00:47. | |
you say that you think there will be a leadership contest? Who can tell. | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
What would you like to see? You are not in a position now. We would be | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
ready any time. But realistically from what Greg is saying and some of | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
the mood music coming out from the Tory Central office, they are | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
clearly trying to keep her in post until they decide what they will do. | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
Two out of three general elections, the Conservatives have been in and | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
not won. You didn't win in 2010 and didn't win this time. You are in | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
government but you didn't actually win. But laid-back has lost the | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
elections. You are the largest party, but in London, 42 seats with | :01:23. | :01:33. | |
majorities over 15,000. The other 15, more than 10,000. There are | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
virtually no marginals left. Your brand is toxic in the capital. I | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
don't agree with that. We need to look at why we didn't perform well | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
in London. For the third election in a row London is the worst performing | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
region. You were involved in a campaign. You are well plugged in. | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
What were the answers and why didn't you do it this time? I don't think | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
our message was properly attuned to London will stop if Jeremy Corbyn | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
had become Prime Minister, and thankfully he isn't, if he had | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
become Prime Minister, London would have been punished the most, with | :02:11. | :02:17. | |
higher taxes and job losses. It would have been dreadful economic | :02:18. | :02:26. | |
news. What was responsible and who was responsible for the message is | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
not being ideal and out of there? It is no point looking backwards? | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
That's exactly what this programme is about. The Prime Minister's two | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
chiefs of staff have resigned yesterday. Is it their fault, two | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
unelected special advisers? I'm not saying that, but we need to go | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
forward from here and try to find a better message for London that will | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
resonate right across. We did get good results in London. I mentioned | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
particular parts earlier. We want to try to dig deeper and understand, | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
read the ruins about places like Putney, Justine Greening was very | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
narrow, only won through by 1500 votes. She did have a majority | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
10,000. What's going on? We need to look at our campaigning, our | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
messaging, and remind people of the good achievements of the | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
Conservative government and economic threat posed by... Checking on one | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
factor you, Lynton Crosby, do you blame him for the approach. In a | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
sense it was very controlled. We never saw any seedier Conservative | :03:36. | :03:37. | |
people like you out there in the campaign. I worked very hard in a | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
number of constituencies. I was not only in Chelsea and Fulham, but | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
Brentford and Ealing, and other places that were disappointing for | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
us. I'm not in the business of blaming individuals, but we need to | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
look at our message for London as a whole. We need to have a good offer | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
on the economy and need to think about some of the issues that are | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
particular to London. The private rented sector, housing, where I | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
think we had good policies. Meg Hillier, what do you say to those | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
MPs who are now sitting, Labour MPs, with quite nice majorities, Wes | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
Streeting, Neal Coyle, and there are others, but who are so busy Fritz | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
Lee critical of Jeremy Corbyn. -- who are so vociferously critical. | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
Anybody who thought Jeremy couldn't manage on a campaign trail was | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
wrong. Anybody who knew Jeremy, and I have thrown in for 25 years, | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
wouldn't doubt his ability to connect on the doorstep, he has the | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
common touch, to use an old-fashioned phrase. I think | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
everybody acknowledges Jeremy, on a seven and a half week campaign | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
trail, people got to see the real person, not the wooden arrangement | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
we have in a House of Commons where we have these fixed set piece | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
setups. What should happen to MPs like that if they continue this kind | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
of strategy over the next few months? There have always been | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
disagreements in all our parties between backbenchers and the leader. | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
Jeremy himself voted more than 500 times against the leadership. We are | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
a broad. It's not personal. As some people suggest. It's about different | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
peoples points of view. It important now we have a wide discussion about | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
what worked, why we didn't get over the line to get into government, and | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
what we need to do if we think there is an election coming soon. What if | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
we saw a similar of dissent again? I didn't say that. I think we need to | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
have an open and proper discussion, not clamping down. When Jeremy was | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
elected, I was speaking to the BBC at a time, and they asked what was | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
good about this. He has stopped clamping down on dissent and he | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
wants to have an open debate. We haven't had much time for that in | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
last couple of years, with what has happened, but we should do that now | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
and fairly fast because there could be election. We will move on. One of | :06:05. | :06:12. | |
the key issues was the issue of Brexit. | :06:13. | :06:13. | |
London was asked again about the decision to leave the EU. | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
From Battersea to Barnet, there was a Brexit backlash - | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
In politics, you don't need a death to have an inquest. | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
London's vote in the so-called Brexit election saw Brexiteers | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
There is clearly evidence of a Brexit effect in this election. | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
In some places a kind of Remainers revenge, | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
where the vote shift between the Conservatives and Labour | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
obviously means people have looked at Brexit and thought, | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
"Even if we don't like Jeremy Corbyn, we're going to vote | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
Labour for a softer version of Brexit as a way of | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
delivering a message about what happened last year." | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
But in the immediate aftermath, has that message got | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
through to the party who, though depleted, are still in power? | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
Are you not reading this, as many people are, as a total | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
The way to reject Brexit in the general election was very clear. | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
We had the Liberal Democrats saying vote for us and we will unscramble | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
Brexit and give you a vote to change your mind, | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
And I would urge the Labour party, who also campaigned on the idea | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
and wanting a free trade arrangement with our partners in Europe, | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
to get behind the Prime Minister when she's negotiating in Brussels. | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
But one senior Lib Dem told me the Government should now heed | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
the warning the electorate have sent about their plans for | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
First of all in London, people were furious that | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
Theresa May's approach wasn't to say, "I'm going to reach | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
across now to Remainers and bring the country together." | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
It was, "Remain people, you need to sit back and be silent, | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
and in fact the only patriotic thing you can do is to give me a mandate | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
to do whatever it is I choose to do, and I'm not even going to | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
discuss it with you and tell you what the details | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
are going to be or how it's going to impact our lives." | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
I think that made people in this city exceedingly angry. | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
While Labour say the PM's Brexit position is now untenable. | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
Someone dies, someone's ill, someone falls over, | :08:12. | :08:13. | |
And for all of those reasons, this next period is going to be | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
very rocky, I think, in British politics, | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
but I think we are seeing goodbye to a hard Brexit. | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
And some Tories admit cross-party co-operation | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
I think it means we will have to work with colleagues | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
in Parliament to deliver a sustainable and workable Brexit. | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
The reason for our agreeing to work with the DUP | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
is to give that stability, and that's important for business | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
and so that our European partners know who they are negotiating with. | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
There's even a sense of regret for Labour at what might have been, | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
Look, if we'd had greater belief, we could have done it actually. | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
We could've got the numbers, and we could be forming | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
So, absolutely the Labour Party now has to remain completely united. | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
We could have a general election at any time. | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
And with this result taking so many of us by surprise, | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
it could well be more long nights ahead. | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
Greg Hands come help us on this. The figures were quite staggering where | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
the votes piled up for Labour candidates. People like Theresa | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
Villiers in Chipping Barnet, winning by 325 after having a 9000 majority. | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
She only just hung on. What were people saying about Brexit and what | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
you have got wrong about the presentation of the world of Brexit? | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
A lot depended on which part of London you were in. You mention | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
Theresa Villiers in Chipping Barnet, but just next door... Let's focus on | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
those areas, rather than the exceptions, the broader areas. Two | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
of the three Barnet seats were quite good for us. London has a very | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
diverse population and diverse set of constituencies. In my | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
constituency Brexit was an issue. It cost me votes in Chelsea and Fulham. | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
What don't they like about it? A number of people don't want Brexit | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
to happen. We can see that, but why? But the Liberal Democrats, the party | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
of stop Brexit, they had a terrible election. Their vote share was down. | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
Their second worst result in years. Why don't they want Brexit to | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
happen? Because there are some people who wanted to rerun last | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
year's referendum. Why, though. What don't they like about the vision of | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
Brexit in the capital? That's obvious, some people want Brexit to | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
happen and there are some who don't. And those who don't... I wonder | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
whether people actually didn't need to have you talking about the | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
economy, they thought, we know what will happen to the economy when we | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
get Brexit. The fact is it was a national referendum, and I think the | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
Labour Party policy wasn't dissimilar in recognising that it | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
was a national referendum. Just to help reinforce this, in Battersea, | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
where Labour hardly campaigned, and you lost Battersea. Labour | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
campaigned heavily! What did people not like about Brexit and your | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
presentation of it? This is going back to the referendum from last | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
year. In actual fact, the big rejection, the one party that stood | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
on a specific stop Brexit, reverse Brexit and have a second referendum | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
platform... So you don't accept, do you think there needs to be a | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
different style about trying to explain what Brexit will mean for | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
London? Do you want to see a softening of the immigration | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
approach or guarantee access to the single market? All of these things | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
were going to be very important in the negotiation. Migration would be | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
an important factor. The City of London, financial services, the | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
importance of the London economy, passporting. All of these things | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
were going to be important parts of the negotiations starting in a week. | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Meg Hillier, what would you like to see? A clear message from London is | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
about immigration and access to the single market. Access to the single | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
market is absolutely fundamental. It has to do happen. Greg is being very | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
dismissive. Would you like to see the Labour position change on Brexit | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
in anyway given was London has signalled? We need people to come | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
into this country. We still don't have the skills base to fill those | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
gaps. To close the door and that would be incredible. A lot of | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
Europeans are also very anxious. Should there be a slightly looser | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
view about immigration? Personally I would like to see that but I'm not | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
privy to those conversations, not being on the front bench. We had a | :12:55. | :13:02. | |
real anger in constituency, a lot of Europeans on the doorstep, they have | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
become citizens and they have voted. A lot of people want to say that we | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
should dismiss the Remainers, and that's one of the problems the | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
Tories had. 17% of my constituency EU national scum as is my wife. I | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
speak to them all the time. I'm not saying you personally. -- are EU | :13:24. | :13:33. | |
nationals, as is my wife. If your role is offered, would there | :13:34. | :13:49. | |
be any advice you would offer to the leader about which way to take | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
Brexit? I think the party needs to be united, we need to get the best | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
possible deal. The economy will be part of that, the importance of the | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
London economy. You are with Philip Hammond on that? There is unity in | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
making sure we get the best possible deal for the UK. But the public | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
doesn't have a clue what's on the table. It is very clearly laid out. | :14:14. | :14:22. | |
The Conservative government has not laid out clearly what Brexit means | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
and that played out badly with people in this election which is why | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
they voted the way they did. Thank you, back to you, Andrew. | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
It's a glorious day here, made all the more glorious by being joined by | :14:40. | :14:58. | |
the political editor of the Sun # | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
Steve Richards, who writes for the Independent, | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
and Julia Hartley-Brewer, who presents a radio | :15:07. | :15:08. | |
So, this is how many MPs each of the parties currently have. | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
318 for the Conservatives, 262 for Labour and the remaining 70 | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
MPs are shared out between another six parties and one independent. | :15:18. | :15:28. | |
If we assume that the Conservatives and the DUP do reach some sort | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
of deal, they would then have a combined total of 328. | :15:32. | :15:40. | |
Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Westminster so we can take them | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
And if we add together all of the remaining parties, | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
There's also one speaker and three deputy speakers, normally balanced | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
According to convention, speakers don't take part in votes. | :15:59. | :16:10. | |
So if we take away two speakers from the government and opposition | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
totals that gets us to 326 MPs up against 313. | :16:14. | :16:23. | |
That means that the effective working majority for | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
the Conservatives plus the DUP would be 13. | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
Steve, let me be down to consensus here, 13 is not a lot. It is less | :16:31. | :16:40. | |
than she had before she went to the country, but with sensible and | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
cautious parliamentary management, with 13, maybe it is not as unstable | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
as we have all been saying. The broader context is as unstable as we | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
have all been saying, but in the short term you haven't interviewed a | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
single Tory who says we want an election this summer or even this | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
autumn. But given that, they cannot afford to be defeated continuously | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
in the Commons so a single question will be post at Number Ten weekly, | :17:15. | :17:26. | |
and that is, can this get through the House of Commons? In that sense | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
I think it will carry on for some time, this Parliament, not | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
necessarily Theresa May, because they have no choice but to carry on, | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
in the same way that in the 1970s the Labour government staggered on | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
for years. Not because the Commons was stable but because neither | :17:45. | :17:52. | |
Wilson Callaghan wanted to call an election they would lose. The | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
broader context is far from stable and when Brexit legislation comes to | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
the Commons, all hell will break loose. What do you think, more | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
stable than we thought? If you allow for every cabinet and junior | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
minister having to come back from Brussels for every single vote, no | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
one will be allowed to be in hospital overnight... I think | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
people, after a long campaign, everyone is exhausted. I think the | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
reality is if Theresa May had an credibility left, if she could still | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
make it through as Prime Minister in a year's time with support of her | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
party, maybe it could limp on but does she is a dead woman walking, as | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
George Osborne put it this morning, I don't see how she can be stable. | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
She may be walking wounded, but you could see with some sensible | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
parliamentary management, and as Steve says with the Tory MPs not | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
desiring to have to go to the country for a while anyway, although | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
it would be messy and unpredictable at times, it may not be the car | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
crash that a lot of us thought it would be 24 hours after the result. | :19:07. | :19:15. | |
I hear your glass half full, I'm here to say it is untrue. The | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
victors would -- the numbers would dictate you are right, however this | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
is all about doing a deal with the DUP. This is not the coalition, it | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
is confidence and supply, and a deal with an Ulster party, especially the | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
DUP with their particular interests, is incredibly volatile. All they | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
have agreed to do, and not even quite yet but probably will | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
tomorrow, is vote through possibly a Queen's speech, budget matters and | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
confidence motions, therefore the Government has no great majority to | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
pass a single other piece of legislation additives unsustainable. | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
It may last a year while Brexit is under way, and Brexit is the crucial | :19:59. | :20:11. | |
factor in this. Brexit could be -- lets come onto Brexit, Ruth Davidson | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
has gathered these Tory MPs together, let's have a quick look at | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
her with what she calls her new team. | :20:21. | :20:28. | |
So there you are. Visually showing there are a lot more than pandas in | :20:29. | :20:39. | |
Edinburgh zoo! She went on to say: She is not even in the Commons but | :20:40. | :20:59. | |
she wants to be involved, she's in the Scottish parliament. I can see | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
why she saying that but I also heard Dominic Raab tell me earlier he | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
didn't think we need to change the Brexit strategy. This could be the | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
return of Tory euro awards. It never went away, the reality is Ruth | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
Davidson isn't going to bring down the minority Tory government for | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
that. 84% of people who voted on Thursday voted for a party who | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
accepted the referendum result. It is categorically stated, different | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
priorities in terms of the deal but there is no question this idea of | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
staying in the single market would be great, as long as we don't have | :21:34. | :21:43. | |
free movement, but the reality is that is not on the table. Soft | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
Brexit does not exist as an option. The only option is leaving the EU, | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
leaving the single market and maintaining control of our borders. | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
Any party who will try to defy that will be very full much indeed. | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
They're in mind John McDonnell only today has said we will be leaving is | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
the single market if he has anything to do with it. Does Mrs May have to | :22:02. | :22:10. | |
change her Brexit strategy? I think the reason politics is so turbulent | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
is over this. Like Heath in 1974, Theresa May sorter mandate. She | :22:17. | :22:31. | |
hasn't got it. I think her version of Brexit is in real trouble because | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
it has given permission for all of those Tory Remainers to come out | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
again and declare... At this point, they are not saying and all this, | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
but a different kind of Brexit which could lead in a stormy direction. On | :22:46. | :22:54. | |
Brexit, perhaps change, the manifesto... Is that pretty dead in | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
the water now? I think most of it is dead in the water. You have | :23:00. | :23:08. | |
interviewed Graham Brady giving up on grammar schools, oscillating Lee. | :23:09. | :23:09. | |
He was the cheerleader for the thing. Steve is right, the Prime | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
Minister simply didn't win a mandate to deliver her version of Brexit. | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
Whether you believe Brexit should go ahead as Julie or Steve wanted... | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
Know, as the British people want it. They have thrown back Theresa May's | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
version of Brexit by not giving her a majority. I'm simply saying the | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
first rule of politics is to learn how to count. Brussels is now no | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
longer negotiating with the Prime Minister, she's negotiating with the | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
House of Commons all over again. Is the Sun going to stick with Mrs May? | :23:48. | :23:56. | |
She is on borrowed time. I think personally she needs to stay to | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
stabilise the situation but she cannot fight another general | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
election. I want to go on to the DUP because the narrative from the left | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
on the DUP is concentrated on the unfashionable views on homosexuality | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
or abortion and so on, but I would suggest none of these are up for | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
grabs in any of the deals the Tories will do, that would be an | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
conceivable. On things like public spending, public sector pay, welfare | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
benefits, given that they represent large numbers of Protestant | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
working-class votes, they are to the left of the Tories on these issues. | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
This is a hidden irony of what happened because you said Philip | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
Hammond wanted an earlier election so he was liberated from the Tory | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
constraints of the 2015 manifesto, so he could do some complicated | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
spending cuts and tax increases and so on. Now he's dependent on the DUP | :24:52. | :25:00. | |
would -- who would support the triple lock and want to keep the | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
winter fuel allowance. Ironically this early election constrains | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
Philip Hammond more than he was before, and it was called partly | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
obviously about Brexit but to free him up and he is more trapped than | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
ever. I don't think he will get the triple lock through the House of | :25:19. | :25:20. | |
Commons and I don't think he will try because they would be defeated. | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
Since in the election campaign it was on things like welfare and | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
public sector pay freezes that the Tories were on the wrong end of | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
Labour, they might find these DUP position quite convenient. Yes, they | :25:35. | :25:43. | |
can drop everything. I think it's going to be about three paragraphs | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
long, the shortest Queen's speech ever. Tony Blair's Queen's speech | :25:48. | :25:59. | |
was pages and pages. Of course Boris Johnson wants a job, but wouldn't be | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
rather see her fail with the Brexit negotiations, fail with the DUP, | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
everything collapses, they have to take over and go to the country for | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
the good of the country and not the party. Should she pay more attention | :26:14. | :26:21. | |
to the DUP's economic policies now? We should pay attention to every | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
menu shy. The website crashed on Friday morning. We have only got 15 | :26:27. | :26:36. | |
seconds so be quick. Will Mrs May still be there by the Tory party | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
conference in early October? Probably yes. Yes but not much | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
beyond. Yes but only as a puppet. That's all from us here | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
in Westminster today, but of course the BBC News Channel | :26:51. | :26:51. | |
will continue to cover the fall-out Tomorrow Jo Coburn will be | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
back on BBC Two at noon with more Daily Politics, | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
and I'll be here on BBC One at the usual time | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
of 11am next Sunday. Remember - if it's Sunday, | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. MUSIC: Power | :27:09. | :27:48. | |
by Kanye West # No one man should have | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
all that power... # There's nothing more | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
Machiavellian... I am disgusted at the way this | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
has been presented. Wrong, wrong, wrong | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
on every scale, already. | :28:09. | :28:11. |