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But stay with us for more drama as we can now go straight

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to the Sunday Politics with Andrew Neil who's

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We are indeed in the sunshine. Welcome from the heart of

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Westminster. Theresa May reappointing key figures

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to the Cabinet, sacking had to closest aides, Nick Timothy and

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Fiona Hill. After Conservative MPs demanded their removal in the

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Conservative failure to win an overall majority in the House of

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Commons. Over the next hour and a bit we'll continue to take stock on

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the remarkable events of the last 72 hours and try to work out where we

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go from here. First though, here's Adam Fleming

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with a reminder of the high octane I was going to say this

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chair is quite warm. Michael Fallon's bum

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was on this chair. Bums on seats, its election

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night at the BBC, hosted This is David Dimbleby's

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actual seat! Look, he's got four pencils,

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stopwatch and a calculator. And what we are saying

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is the Conservatives Note, they don't have an overall

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majority at this stage. 314 for the Conservatives,

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that's down 17. Luckily there were plenty

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of politicians who never are. What does this exit

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poll actually mean? Well, if it's accurate it means

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Theresa May has just presided over the greatest catastrophe that I can

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think of in the Conservative We haven't seen a seat change hands

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and we are hearing about possible Conservative gains in the Midlands

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and losses in London, People will write Ph.D.s about the

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2017 election Labour candidates were winning

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in unexpected places. Tories were losing in unexpected

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places, including eight members of the Government,

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like Treasury minister The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

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held on in Hastings...just. OK, the former Deputy Prime Minister

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and former leader of the Liberal Democrats,

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Nick Clegg, has been beaten I've always sought to stand

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by the liberal values I believe in, but I, of course, have encountered

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this evening something many people have encountered before tonight,

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and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight,

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which is - in politics you live by the sword, and you

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die by the sword. Lib Dem leader Tim Farron

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was narrowly re-elected in Cumbria, unlike the SNP's Westminster

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leader Angus Robertson, who lost his seat, former First

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Minister Alex Salmond defeated too. The Scottish National Party have

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lost many fine parliamentarians this evening, and that is a grievous blow

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to the SNP. But overall the results in Scotland

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show the SNP will have won a majority of the seats in this

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country and a majority of the vote. Paul Nuttall failed to get

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elected in Skegness So, the green room looking a bit

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ruined, a bit like Ukip I think we are doing

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better than the SNP. We deliberately didn't stand in some

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seats to try to give Brexit I think it's quite interesting

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the main leading Brexit candidates in this election

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are getting their seat back. Right, it's dawn in the real world

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and I found a pub that has been open What state are they going

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to be in, in there? And was it young people

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who had seen Corbyn, voted, and got the T-shirt who helped

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the Labour leader to Right, five past five

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in the morning, we are outside Jeremy Corbyn's house in Islington

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in north London. Surprisingly small press pack

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for the man who's destroyed Jeremy!

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Jeremy! If there is a message from

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tonight's result, it's this - the Prime Minister called

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the election because Well, the mandate she's got is lost

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Conservative seats, lost votes, I would have thought that's enough

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to go actually and make way for a government that will be truly

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representative of all Theresa May did the opposite,

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popping to the palace, What the country needs more

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than ever is certainty, and having secured the largest

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number of votes and the greatest number of seats in the general

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election, it is clear that only the Conservatives and Unionist Party

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have the legitimacy and ability to provide that certainty

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by commanding a majority As we do, we will continue to work

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with our friends and allies, in the Democratic Unionist Party

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in particular. 15 hours after election night

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started, it's all over. And joined by Tom Newton Dunn, Julia

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Hartley-Brewer and Steve Richards. Julia, why did it go so wrong for

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the Conservatives? You can't run a presidential campaign if you have a

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candidate with less than the charisma of this desk. If you're not

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going to put her out to debate, if she's not coming to the people and

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selling herself, which she studiously didn't do, you can't run

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that campaign. There was the possibility another leader could

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have walked that with 800 majority against Jeremy Corbyn. Another

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campaign, we will never know, could have delivered a majority of 30 or

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40, without the deal with the DUP. I'm not saying it was fundamentally

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wrong to call the election at this time, but it was the wrong candidate

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and the wrong campaign. The third election in a row that Labour has

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failed to win. It was still a substantial and historic achievement

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for Jeremy Corbyn. If you consider the context in which this election

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was called, Theresa May, on her honeymoon to die for, politically,

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with Labour voters split over Brexit, suddenly calling an election

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when most Labour MPs were not willing to cooperate with whatever

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campaign was being held by Labour, for them to do as well as they have

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done is an extraordinary achievement. They got no more seats

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than Gordon Brown in 2010, roughly the same. But the context couldn't

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have been more daunting, and to wipe out a majority of this figure, who

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six weeks ago was walking on water and appeared to have Brexit as part

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of her ammunition against the split Labour vote, remains astonishing.

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One of the errors she made and so many others she made and probably

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all of us, was to underestimate the potency of Corbyn and the relatively

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modest social Democrat manifesto. Doesn't it take stupidity bordering

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on genius to turn a 20 point lead at the start of the campaign into a

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hung parliament? It does and it did. That's what happened. I think the

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lead was soft, largely because Theresa May was unknown. We know her

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because we have been having lunch and interviews with her for years on

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end. The public didn't know her. They got to know her and they

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discovered she was the Maybot, which is the term that will stick after

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this campaign. I differ from my two colleagues here, it wasn't the

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amazing right of Corbyn, it was a complete failure to remember that

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people wanted a revolution when they voted for Brexit, and she came

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across as the party and candidate of continuity. As things stand, we are

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where we are. Where are we?! Where do we go from here? I was with

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College Green with you in the early hours of Friday morning and I didn't

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see anybody that said, see you back here in October. A second election?

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God forbid, nobody wants a second election, but I can't see the Tories

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being able to stay in power with the DUP and I'm personally very unhappy

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with a lot of DUP policies, their stance on gay rights, capital

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punishment, abortion rights, and there will be an awful lot of

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people, floating voters, who will recoil in horror at that, even on

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unofficial lines. I get the sense Jeremy Corbyn will be up for a

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second election, as quick as it comes. I'm sure he is, and if there

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was one company might well win it, which is why there won't be. All

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logic points to another election but I don't think there will be one,

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because I don't think any Conservative Prime Minister will

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feel strong and confident enough after the trauma of this. They would

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have to be 50 points ahead in the polls to take the risk. I think

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rather like between 74 and 79 we will have a frail and fragile House

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of Commons with a minority government for quite a long time,

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simply because whoever is Prime Minister will not have the

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confidence to call an election. So the Tories fear of a quick second

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election could well result in them going more leniently on Mrs May than

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they really want to. We have seen already, Miss Mrs May is still Prime

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Minister. That wouldn't have happened by now if they thought they

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could win a second snap election. I think they will stabilise. They are

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also desperate to get Brexit negotiations underway. That's

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another reason she is still there. She is the one who needs to pull the

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trigger. Most of the Tory party are aching to have the trigger pulled.

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When that is bold, when I have stabilised, and when Jeremy Corbyn

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is back the House of Commons, where remember he's not very good, I think

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they might your right. Lots more to talk about. Thank you for being with

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me in the open air, the Westminster penthouse, open to the world. I just

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need to find the cocktail bar. Although it is early.

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So, let's take a look at the election results

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Here's how the parties fared in the election on Thursday.

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And here's how they got on in the previous general

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As you can see, the Labour vote is up dramatically, by ten points.

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But the Conservative vote also rose quite significantly, by five points.

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The SNP and the Liberal Democrats both saw declines in their support.

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And Ukip's vote has almost completely collapsed,

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from 13% in 2015 to just 2% this time around.

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So the resurgence of two-party politics is one of the key

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The combined vote share of the two main parties is now 82%,

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the highest it's been since the election in 1970.

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And it's more if you exclude Northern Ireland.

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That's partly explained by the collapse of Ukip.

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According to one estimate, the Conservatives may have got 57%

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It's also thought that last year's EU referendum has helped to polarise

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support along the traditional Labour and Conservative lines.

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In polls carried out before the election,

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it was estimated that 50% of remain voters supported Labour and nearly

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two-thirds of leave voters supported the Conservatives.

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There's also speculation that a rise in the number of young voters may be

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behind the boost in Labour's support - but we don't yet have

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But it's notable that Labour did well in certain constituencies

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For example, it's thought that the large number of students

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in Canterbury helped Labour win the seat for the first time

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ever, with a 9% swing from the Conservatives.

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The two main parties have also seen changes in their number of seats.

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Labour lost six seats but gained 36, giving them a net gain of 30 seats.

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Most of those Labour gains were in England,

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where the party took 27 seats, mainly from the Conservatives.

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They also gained three seats in Wales and six

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As for the Conservatives, they lost a total of 33

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seats but also gained 20, giving them a net loss of 13 seats.

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Most of those 20 Conservative gains came in Scotland,

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where the party took 12 seats from the SNP.

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Meaning the Scottish Tories are allowing Mrs May to try to form a

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government this week! Who would have thought!

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In England, the Conservatives won

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Joining me now from Glasgow is the brains behind Thursday

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night's astoundingly accurate exit poll, the polling expert

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And John, the Tories saw a 5-point rise in the share of the votes to

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42%, very high by recent historical standards, but still lost over a

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dozen seats, why? Under our first past the post electoral system, the

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share of the vote you get is almost irrelevant. What is crucial is how

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you do relative to your opponents. In particular so far as Conservative

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and Labour are concerned, what determines the fate is the gap

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between them. In the 2015 election, the Conservatives had a 7-point

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lead, that only got them a majority of 12, and somebody should have said

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to the Prime Minister before she pulled the trigger, you do realise

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you have to be a long way ahead of the Labour Party in order to

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increase your majority. The opinion polls say you are at that point now

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but if they fall you are in trouble. In the end of the Conservative lead

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is 2.5 points, which is not enough to secure a majority given that

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Northern Ireland is out of the frame, Scotland still has a majority

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of third party MPs, and there are still Liberal Democrats and greens.

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This now looks like a two party race once again. We have still got much

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more in the House of Commons than in 1970 which makes a hung parliament

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much more likely. Meanwhile there weren't that many marginal seats. It

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is the relative standing of the parties that's crucial. And how do

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we explain the 10% rise in Labour's share of the vote? There's a lot of

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anecdotal evidence of a youth Surge, and I'd like to know if we can nail

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that down, but also the work of the swings too. Some green voters moved

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into Labour, some Liberal Democrats, even perhaps some Ukip voters moved

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into Labour, what do we know? I think we can pick up three crucial

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patterns. The first is a lot of people who at the beginning of the

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campaign said are usually vote Labour but cannot imagine doing so

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under Jeremy Corbyn, he so hopeless. Because of his relatively strong

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performance they came back into the fold so by the time we got to

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polling day there was many 2015 voters who said they would vote

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Labour again. That was the crucial point, getting the faithful back on

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board. It is certainly clear there was a substantial swing to young

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voters during the campaign. Labour started off well in that group, the

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opinion polls had it around 65% by the time the election came. We don't

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know exactly the turnout amongst young people, but certainly the

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pattern of the results suggests the turnout was going up more in places

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where there were young people so probably somewhat more of them did

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turn out to vote. The third crucial patent is that this was an election

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which to some degree voters did polarise around the issue of the

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shape of Brexit, weather you are a Remain or Leave voter. Labour's

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progress during the campaign was disproportionately amongst Remain

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voters so although the parties were not thought to be that far apart on

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the shape of Brexit, they seem to be sufficiently far apart that Labour

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was more attractive for those less keen on the kind of Brexit Theresa

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May had in mind. John Curtice, thank you as always. We are now going to

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Salford. Graham Brady, you think Mrs May should soldier on, why? There's

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no other party in a position to form a government. Clearly these aren't

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the circumstances that either the Prime Minister nor I nor my

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colleagues would want to be dealing with at the moment but this is what

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we are presented with and it's our duty to make the best of it and try

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to offer government as resilient as it can be an quite difficult times.

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But is she ever going to be more than a caretaker leader now? I think

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one of the odd things about the experience of the last 12 months is

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Theresa May performed well as Prime Minister and the public rather liked

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her as Prime Minister. I think few people would say the campaign

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succeeded in projecting her qualities as strongly as it could

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and should have done. As we return to government, albeit in difficult

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circumstances and dependent on support from other parties, I think

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we will see people once again seeing the steady, calm, thoughtful Theresa

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May as Prime Minister. Do you fear a leadership election might lead to a

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second general election, and that prospect terrifies you, doesn't it?

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I'm not sitting here terrified, but I think there is zero appetite

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amongst the public for another general election at the moment, and

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I don't detect any great appetite amongst my colleagues for presenting

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the public with a massive additional dose of uncertainty by getting

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involved in a rather self-indulgent Conservative Party internal election

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campaign. That's because they are frightened they might lose, that's

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why they don't want another one. I think most of us are motivated by a

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belief in the national interest and we are responsible people who want

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to try to offer that responsible, steady government, especially at

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this point as we know it's just a matter of days until those important

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negotiations on leaving the European Union begins. It's a time when we

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need experience and responsible people in Government, and I think

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it's our duty to try to offer that. Many Tories have said to me that Mrs

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May must never be allowed to leave your party into another general

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election, do you agree with that? No, these are judgments that will be

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made in the fullness of time by the Prime Minister and by colleagues, as

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is always the case with any Prime Minister and leader of the party,

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but at the moment we are resolutely focused on trying to make sure the

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country can have the responsible study government that it really

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needs at this point, and that should be our focus too. In what way should

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Mrs May change? I think there are all sorts of lessons we can pick up

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from the campaign and the reaction to it, even from the thing that

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surprised most of us, the way in which Jeremy Corbyn, in spite of all

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of his manifest failings, in particular his extreme political

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views, was able to present himself in a rather avuncular way. I didn't

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ask about Mr Corbyn. I'm saying I think there are some lessons there,

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in terms of relaxing little bit into communicating with the electorate.

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It is something she does very well in person, increasingly so since she

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became Prime Minister. That's not the experience of the campaign, the

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more people saw her the more they didn't like the colour of her gym.

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It didn't communicating the campaign, but also I think we need

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to see a much more open and inclusive approach within

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government, within Parliament as well. That's not just a kind of

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desirable outcome, which I think always would have been desirable and

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I've had this conversation with previous prime ministers as well.

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It's a necessity in the circumstances, trying to make a hung

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parliament and minority government work really requires a much more

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inclusive approach. You are being brought into the decision taking

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process on the deal being done with the DUP? I have said to the Prime

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Minister I think it is important she speaks to colleagues as soon as

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possible. I'm hoping to bring it forward to tomorrow so she can

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talk... But are you being involved in this more inclusive process? I am

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not on a negotiating team but I saw the Prime Minister very early after

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the election had taken place, I went to London on Friday afternoon and

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met with her and we had a discussion about all sorts of things that need

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to be addressed over the coming days and weeks. When Mrs May spoke in

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Downing Street after she'd gone to see the Queen, it was another

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robotic performance. It didn't even express any regrets for the Tories

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that had lost. You had to into being to get her to make a second

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statement, didn't you? No, she was already going to give the interview

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she gave. You urged her to do so. She was already scheduled to give

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the interview. I happen to see her in between the statement and

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interview, and I was keen to press home that in the past Conservative

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Party that has been very poor in its communications with colleagues who

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have lost their seats in the general election, that is something none of

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my colleagues likes to see so I certainly did say that I think it's

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important we do better this time. What bits of the manifesto will you

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now have to jumk for the Queen 's speech? That will be an interesting

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process to witness. I don't think it will just be the Queen 's speech, it

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will be the whole experience of government. There's no point in

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sailing ahead with items that were in the manifesto which we won't get

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through Parliament so I think we will have to work very carefully. No

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doubt we will slim down the Queen's speech. So tell me, which bits will

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you have to junk? Back to the triple lock on pensioners and no grammar

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schools? How about that? I would be upset if we couldn't make any

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progress on allowing people to have a choice of grammar schools if they

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wanted. Are you hoping they will drop it? If we cannot get things

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through Parliament, we cannot do them so I certainly would suggest

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that we can look for instance at a rather modest sort of pilots,

:25:33.:25:36.

opening some state grammar schools in inner urban areas, especially

:25:37.:25:41.

where education at the moment is not offering great opportunities to

:25:42.:25:43.

people of lower income backgrounds. I think that is something that could

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command quite broad support. I have heard from friends on the Labour

:25:51.:25:53.

ventures quietly that they would like that approach to be taken. We

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will certainly have to trim our policies carefully according to what

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we think Parliament will support. Graham Brady in Salford, thank you.

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Let's go to Nottingham where I am joined by Anna Soubry. In the early

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hours of Thursday morning you called on Theresa May to consider her

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position. Is that still your view? Yes, she obviously has considered

:26:21.:26:25.

her position and she is set to go in due course, but I very much agree

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with Graham, we don't want her to go now. We want a period of stability

:26:31.:26:36.

and she has got to reach out and form a consensus and she has got to

:26:37.:26:40.

form a consensus in particular on Brexit. She has now got to make sure

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she understands that the British people have rejected a hard Brexit.

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We are leaving the EU, I don't think there's any change there but we are

:26:52.:26:55.

not going to be leaving the EU in some irresponsible weights that will

:26:56.:26:59.

damage future generations in our country and there's a big lesson to

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be learned as you've already identified in your programme, about

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younger people and the message they have sent out in this election. I

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will come onto Brexit in the moment, but you have said she is set to go

:27:12.:27:15.

in due course, what does that mean? I don't know. After the summer,

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before the end of the year? I would have thought so. She is flawed,

:27:25.:27:32.

she's in a desperate situation. Her position is untenable and I think

:27:33.:27:36.

she knows that and she is doing the right thing, which is she's got rid

:27:37.:27:40.

of these special advisers, she's brought in Gavin Barwell, and she's

:27:41.:27:44.

listening to people from all parts of not just the party but the

:27:45.:27:48.

country. She has got to reach out more and broaden the base within her

:27:49.:27:53.

Cabinet, and she's got to include people from all parts of my party as

:27:54.:27:57.

well as all points of view across Parliament. So what impact in your

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view will, as you describe it, Mrs May's much more weakened position,

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what impact will that have on her current Brexit stance? Will she have

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to change it and water it down? Yes, absolutely. The country did not vote

:28:17.:28:22.

for a hard Brexit. This is based on my experience of having knocked on

:28:23.:28:26.

the literally thousands of dollars, actually since February. I have

:28:27.:28:30.

listened to a lot of people, and the idea of a hard Brexit, people didn't

:28:31.:28:39.

like that. It's one of the reasons we haven't won this election. They

:28:40.:28:44.

accept we are leaving, I accept it, but we want to get the best deal and

:28:45.:28:48.

she must not turn her back on British business as I'm afraid she

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has. She's got to listen to British business and Philip Hammond, she's

:28:54.:28:57.

got to listen to Greg Clark. Wise owls who know what British business

:28:58.:29:01.

once and they want that single market and they also wanted proper

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immigration policy that recognises we need immigrants and free movement

:29:07.:29:10.

in order for British business to continue to flourish.

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She has to at least listen to these things, and she hasn't in the past.

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Is that what Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, about

:29:24.:29:28.

the only Conservative to emerge with credit on Thursday, is that what she

:29:29.:29:33.

means? We should remain members of the single market, remain in the

:29:34.:29:37.

customs union and put the economy before immigration. Is that what you

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are talking about? Absolutely. And I always have. And in my literature I

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made it very clear I would continue to make the case for the single

:29:48.:29:51.

market and positive benefits of immigration. Although my majority

:29:52.:29:56.

was reduced, I put on 1800 more votes. It's not about me, obviously,

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it's about me being a Conservative, but I made my position clear and I

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have not faulted on that. Turning our back on the customs union in

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particular is the stuff of madness. The single market sees off the

:30:11.:30:14.

Nationalists and their desire for a second referendum, although the

:30:15.:30:18.

mighty Ruth Davidson is already done that with her remarkable result in

:30:19.:30:22.

Scotland, but it would also solve the problem with Ireland. Don't you

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risk reopening all those Tory divisions over Europe on this? I

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haven't. You have held these views for a long time. There are 20 of

:30:33.:30:37.

other, probably more Tories, who want what you call a hard Brexit. --

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plenty of other. It's what the people want. But you don't have a

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majority. At this election the people have spoken and they have

:30:51.:30:53.

rejected the hard Brexit. I think we can all agree on that. That doesn't

:30:54.:30:58.

mean to say we are not leaving the EU, we will leave the EU, and I

:30:59.:31:03.

believe even people who voted to remain accept we are leaving. I

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found very few angry Remainers on the doorsteps. People accept the

:31:09.:31:14.

result, but they do not want a hard Brexit. That's the message coming

:31:15.:31:18.

out from this and I hope Theresa May gets that. If she does, then she has

:31:19.:31:22.

to build the con census. There's nothing to stop her working with

:31:23.:31:28.

sensible people in the Labour Party, who also accept the referendum

:31:29.:31:33.

result, no we will be leaving the EU, and know we have to get the best

:31:34.:31:37.

deal, and we can't close our minds on the single market and Customs

:31:38.:31:41.

union. What are the bits of the Tory manifesto you will now have to drop

:31:42.:31:46.

to keep your new bedfellows happy in the DUP? I don't think we have

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reached a deal yet with the DUP. But that is the aim. Apparently it's the

:31:51.:31:56.

aim. I will tell you now, Andrew, you probably know far more than I

:31:57.:32:01.

do. I get on well with a number of members of the DUP. I don't like a

:32:02.:32:09.

lot of their policies on abortion, gay and lesbian issues, I completely

:32:10.:32:13.

disagree with them, but if we can put those issues aside and put the

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focus on making a stable government and putting the national interest

:32:19.:32:25.

first, we might well make strides forward. Many people have been

:32:26.:32:32.

talking about public services and public sector pay, but we have to do

:32:33.:32:38.

recognise that at the same time we are going into choppy economic

:32:39.:32:42.

waters, and that's why I think it's so important Theresa May listens to

:32:43.:32:47.

Philip Hammond and puts him much more at the core and front of this

:32:48.:32:50.

government. It's the economy that matters more than anything else.

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That's one of the spectacular failings of the campaign. The issue

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that was hardly mentioned during the campaign. Never mentioned it. Anna

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Soubry, we will leave it there. After Theresa May had been to see

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the Queen at Buckingham Palace on Friday she made a brief statement on

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Friday. We can remind ourselves what she said.

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We will continue to work with our friends and allies,

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in the Democratic Unionist Party in particular.

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Our two parties have enjoyed a strong relationship over many

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years, and this gives me the confidence to believe

:33:22.:33:23.

that we will be able to work together in the interests

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This will allow us to come together as a country

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and channel our energies towards a successful

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Brexit deal that works for everyone in this country.

:33:36.:33:39.

Securing a new partnership with the EU that guarantees our

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That's what people voted for last June, that's what we will deliver.

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I've been joined by the Conservative MP Dominic Raab -

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a former government minister who's been tipped for a return in Theresa

:34:03.:34:05.

We shall see. Welcome to the programme. Her two most senior

:34:06.:34:14.

advisers have fallen on their swords. Most of the Cabinet has gone

:34:15.:34:18.

to ground since the result. Could Theresa May be any more isolated? I

:34:19.:34:23.

don't think that's true. You have three Cabinet ministers doing

:34:24.:34:25.

television this morning. We are in the middle of a reshuffle, so you

:34:26.:34:29.

wouldn't expect them all to be out on the airwaves, and we also in the

:34:30.:34:33.

business of hammering out the detail on the supply and confidence

:34:34.:34:37.

arrangement with the DUP. Where are we on that? On the question of Chief

:34:38.:34:43.

of staff, a new appointment has been made, Gavin Barwell, I know him

:34:44.:34:47.

well, a smart policy guide and also very sensitive on the political

:34:48.:34:50.

radar and that shows we are moving forward. It was forced on her. I

:34:51.:34:57.

think they did the honourable thing. The two aids that fell on their

:34:58.:35:04.

sword? Yes. The key point is, looking forward, which we have to

:35:05.:35:07.

do, we had the outcome of the election and the people have spoken

:35:08.:35:11.

and we have to make the best of it. Gavin Barwell is an important

:35:12.:35:17.

appointment. Conservative MPs across-the-board know, respect and

:35:18.:35:20.

trust him. Nobody in the country has heard of him, but maybe that doesn't

:35:21.:35:25.

matter. How many had heard of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill before they

:35:26.:35:30.

were appointed? They do now. Do you agree with Anna Soubry that Theresa

:35:31.:35:33.

May is no more than a caretaker Prime Minister now? I don't.

:35:34.:35:40.

Emotions are way up. But we still won the most votes and most seats.

:35:41.:35:44.

My reading from talking to MPs across-the-board is the overwhelming

:35:45.:35:50.

majority want to see Theresa May continue in office. As a matter of

:35:51.:35:53.

necessity, the people have spoken, and we have to respect what the

:35:54.:35:57.

people have decided, so we will do this supply and confidence

:35:58.:36:01.

arrangement with the DUP. There are strong areas of overlap but we don't

:36:02.:36:03.

agree on everything. The key thing is to give the country certainty and

:36:04.:36:07.

direction moving forward. That's the only viable option and people are

:36:08.:36:11.

rallying behind that. Not all. George Osborne said this morning on

:36:12.:36:15.

the BBC that Mrs May was a dead woman walking. He has made the

:36:16.:36:25.

transition from Conservative MP to mischievous journalist with ease.

:36:26.:36:28.

Most MPs when they listen to that will think it's disloyal,

:36:29.:36:32.

unprofessional and frankly pretty self-indulgent. In reality I think

:36:33.:36:35.

it will shore up support among a lot of MPs for Theresa May. What went

:36:36.:36:42.

wrong? I'm not going to candy coat, sugar-coat the result here. We did

:36:43.:36:45.

far worse than expected and we need to figure out the lessons to learn.

:36:46.:36:54.

I know it went wrong, but why? There isn't anyone thing. You have to take

:36:55.:36:57.

time to learn the lessons. We need to show some humility about the

:36:58.:37:01.

result. Nick Timothy has written a column that touches on some of the

:37:02.:37:04.

issues from his perspective. To be honest with you, I'm focused now, I

:37:05.:37:08.

missed all the drama and disappointment of not getting the

:37:09.:37:12.

result we wanted, focus on the facts. We got 56 more seats than the

:37:13.:37:17.

Labour Party and we are the only ones who can put together a

:37:18.:37:20.

legitimate parliament that can also be affected, passing a judgment and

:37:21.:37:24.

pass legislation, however tricky it may be. That remains to be seen, you

:37:25.:37:29.

might not be able to do that. We are the only ones, with the DUP, who

:37:30.:37:33.

could form a viable and effective government that would reflect

:37:34.:37:35.

legitimately the outcome of the election and we will focus 100% on

:37:36.:37:42.

that. Let's do that. Mrs May promised strength and stability. We

:37:43.:37:44.

now have a hung parliament and she is dependent on the DUP for the

:37:45.:37:50.

slimmest of majorities. There is nothing strong and stable about

:37:51.:37:55.

that. I have said to you, I will not tell you this result is the one we

:37:56.:37:59.

wanted. We are disappointed. It's not strong and stable. It can still

:38:00.:38:02.

be effective. It's also the only outcome that can respect and be

:38:03.:38:07.

legitimate of the outcome of the election. At the end of the day, we

:38:08.:38:10.

had campaigning, we can differ on the opinions, but the facts and

:38:11.:38:14.

parliamentary arithmetic is there. The only way we can have an

:38:15.:38:18.

effective government of any time that Del Paso budget is the

:38:19.:38:20.

Conservatives with the support of the DUP. To do that you'll have to

:38:21.:38:25.

make compromises you would not have to do make if you had won a

:38:26.:38:29.

substantial majority. What part of the manifesto will have to go to get

:38:30.:38:33.

a budget and a confidence motion through? 48 hours after the election

:38:34.:38:37.

I can't answer that definitively. What we do have to do, every MP,

:38:38.:38:42.

whatever part of the country they were elected, has to deliver as best

:38:43.:38:47.

can be manifesto commitments. At the same time, that's what the country

:38:48.:38:51.

expects. At the same time we had forced on us the need to be

:38:52.:38:55.

flexible. The people didn't vote for your manifesto in the end. Something

:38:56.:38:58.

has to go. The triple lock for pensioners that you were going to

:38:59.:39:02.

change, the DUP is in favour of the triple lock. Does that bit of the

:39:03.:39:08.

manifesto go? You can ask me any aspect of the manifesto, we'll know

:39:09.:39:12.

more answers the detail next week. You were on our programmes more than

:39:13.:39:16.

any Cabinet minister. You will be drafted back in. You should know. I

:39:17.:39:21.

don't bet too much money on the tittle tattle in the media. We have

:39:22.:39:27.

the outline of the supply and confidence arrangement with the DUP.

:39:28.:39:31.

We are hammering out the details. Next week we will publish the

:39:32.:39:37.

details. What about social care? You asking me about different points in

:39:38.:39:41.

a manifesto but you know I can't answer that question until... I want

:39:42.:39:45.

to deliver as much of the manifesto as possible. You don't have a

:39:46.:39:50.

mandate to do that. That's because we've got... The Queen's speech is

:39:51.:39:54.

only a week away, a week tomorrow. You are trying to work out what

:39:55.:40:01.

parts, Labour lost, but you didn't win, and I'm trying to work out how

:40:02.:40:05.

you just said we will have to comprise and make changes. It's

:40:06.:40:09.

legitimate to ask which parts... I'm explaining I don't have the answers

:40:10.:40:13.

on the detail because until we have formed the supply and confidence

:40:14.:40:16.

arrangement with the DUP, we will not have those details. My starting

:40:17.:40:20.

point is that we deliver as much of the manifesto as we conceivably can.

:40:21.:40:23.

That's what the country expects because that's what they are elected

:40:24.:40:28.

us to do. They have given us their verdict, we need to respect the

:40:29.:40:31.

outcome of the election and we will not do it in the same way will as if

:40:32.:40:34.

we had a stonking majority, obviously. The result has given a

:40:35.:40:40.

kind of new spring in the step of politicians who wanted to remain in

:40:41.:40:45.

the European Union. What do you make, and we heard Anna Soubry, and

:40:46.:40:49.

many others have said it as well, that you need to reconsider your

:40:50.:40:54.

Brexit stands, and in their language community soften your Brexit stands.

:40:55.:40:59.

Whether you are a Scottish, Welsh or English MP, elected to Parliament

:41:00.:41:02.

behind me on the basis of a manifesto that sets out in great

:41:03.:41:07.

detail, a 75 page white Paper, the approach to Brexit. All this talk of

:41:08.:41:11.

hard Brexit, our ambition is to get the best possible deal we can with

:41:12.:41:18.

our EU partners. Do you change your stands because you didn't get a

:41:19.:41:21.

majority for your Brexit position. Do you follow the advice of Ruth

:41:22.:41:25.

Davidson, who talked of an open Brexit, framing a new Brexit

:41:26.:41:29.

strategy? Hard and soft Brexit, I don't know exactly what Ruth means

:41:30.:41:34.

by that. But she did a great job in Scotland. But every MP was elected

:41:35.:41:39.

on our manifesto. We will deliver the plans of that manifesto as best

:41:40.:41:43.

we can, including and especially on Brexit. Just a point of fact,

:41:44.:41:50.

obviously be Conservative number of votes went up, Labour effectively...

:41:51.:41:55.

The vote share went up, but we lost seats, but we are 56 seats ahead of

:41:56.:41:59.

the Labour Party. The Labour Party effectively endorsed the leave the

:42:00.:42:02.

EU strategy we set out and they didn't offer a alternative. So no

:42:03.:42:10.

change on the Brexit strategy? And the anti-Brexit parties, the SNP and

:42:11.:42:14.

Lib Dem, both suffered a fall in their vote share. The country has

:42:15.:42:17.

said they want us to make a success of Brexit. So no change? The plans

:42:18.:42:23.

in the White Paper set out are the right ones and the voters expect us

:42:24.:42:27.

to deliver on the manifesto we ran on, whether you are a Scottish,

:42:28.:42:33.

English or Welsh MP. I can hear your helicopter arriving to whisk you off

:42:34.:42:37.

to the wry ministerial meeting. Let us know what job you get. Viewers in

:42:38.:42:41.

Scotland will leave us for Sunday Politics Scotland now. Jeremy

:42:42.:42:44.

Corbyn... Jeremy Corbyn may have

:42:45.:42:47.

lost the election, but he's clearly cock-a-hoop

:42:48.:42:49.

with the big increase in Labour's share of the vote and

:42:50.:42:51.

the nmber of Labour On Friday he called

:42:52.:42:53.

on Theresa May to resign, and said he was ready to govern

:42:54.:42:57.

the country as a minority Speaking this morning, the Labour

:42:58.:43:02.

leader said he thought there could be another election in the near

:43:03.:43:08.

future. I think it's quite possible that there will be an election later

:43:09.:43:11.

this year or early next year. And that might be a good thing, because

:43:12.:43:16.

we cannot go on with a period of great instability. We have a

:43:17.:43:20.

programme, we have the support, and we are ready to fight another

:43:21.:43:24.

election campaign as soon as may be because you want to be able to serve

:43:25.:43:28.

the people of this country on the agenda we put forward, which is

:43:29.:43:32.

transformative, and has gained amazing levels of support. People

:43:33.:43:38.

say, hang on, why are my children worse off than we are, why are my

:43:39.:43:42.

grandchildren? This election wasn't just about Brexit, there was

:43:43.:43:46.

something different about it. It was challenging the economic consensus

:43:47.:43:47.

that has impoverished Sony people. The Labour

:43:48.:43:51.

leader speaking earlier this morning.

:43:52.:43:53.

We've been joined by the Shadow Health Secretary, Jon Ashworth.

:43:54.:43:59.

A lot of Labour people have been behaving as if you have won this

:44:00.:44:06.

election, can I point out you have lost three in a row?

:44:07.:44:11.

Yes, but undoubtedly momentum is with us, and momentum is important

:44:12.:44:21.

in politics. It looks like they got the young vote out and that's why

:44:22.:44:25.

you did better-than-expected. The young vote certainly came out for

:44:26.:44:31.

Labour. I found on my part of the world Tory voters switching to

:44:32.:44:35.

Labour over things like the dementia tax, but I also think Ukip

:44:36.:44:42.

supporters voted heavily for Labour because we wanted to invest heavily

:44:43.:44:49.

in the NHS and schools, and people are fed up of cuts to public

:44:50.:44:53.

services and the austerity agenda. So it was a good manifesto? You were

:44:54.:45:00.

happy with it? Yes, I was part of putting it together. You would be

:45:01.:45:05.

happy to fight another election based on that manifesto? Yes, I put

:45:06.:45:10.

together the health section of that manifesto, which gives nurses and

:45:11.:45:15.

midwives of the pay rise, I'm very happy with that manifesto. And yet,

:45:16.:45:20.

you have this manifesto you were happy with, you will rub against a

:45:21.:45:25.

Prime Minister who wanted to fight a personality led presidential

:45:26.:45:28.

campaign, it then turned out the British people didn't think she had

:45:29.:45:32.

much personality and wasn't presidential in nature. You had

:45:33.:45:37.

momentum and you ended up winning no more seats than Gordon Brown in the

:45:38.:45:45.

collection of 2010. Given where we were seven weeks ago, I looked at

:45:46.:45:49.

the opinion polls and thought crikey, this could not be a good

:45:50.:45:55.

result for Labour potentially. Theresa May thought she would have a

:45:56.:45:58.

landslide victory and that's why she put her party first in going for

:45:59.:46:04.

this snap election, and undoubtedly this campaign changed things. I

:46:05.:46:07.

think the key moment was the manifesto week when the Labour Party

:46:08.:46:12.

but forward proposed policies to the country which excited many people,

:46:13.:46:17.

and the Tory party came forward with the dementia tax, getting rid of the

:46:18.:46:20.

winter fuel payment, I think that was a turning point in the election.

:46:21.:46:26.

What does Mr Corbyn do now? When I spoke to Ken Livingstone on Friday

:46:27.:46:31.

he said we did so well on a socialist manifesto, we need more of

:46:32.:46:36.

this. We need more socialism and we will do even better. Is that the

:46:37.:46:41.

lesson Jeremy Corbyn will take or try to reach out more to the centre

:46:42.:46:46.

of his party, now his position is unassailable does he try to reach

:46:47.:46:51.

out beyond his own group? I think there is broad unity and the whole

:46:52.:46:55.

party will come together to take on the Conservatives, who now have a

:46:56.:46:59.

huge problem in Parliament. They can only offer a weak and unstable

:47:00.:47:09.

government. She's trying to cobble together this supply and confidence

:47:10.:47:12.

agreement with the DUP which means all of the decisions in Parliament

:47:13.:47:16.

will be taken on a case-by-case basis. It isn't just the votes on

:47:17.:47:26.

the floor of the House, all of is the statutory instruments will rely

:47:27.:47:29.

on the support of the DUP. She will not be able to guarantee she can get

:47:30.:47:34.

her programme through. We are likely to sue the Government collapse or

:47:35.:47:37.

have a zombie Parliament where we are not debating and voting on

:47:38.:47:41.

legislation because she knows she cannot get it through. If that's the

:47:42.:47:45.

case, even if she puts together a deal with the DUP and it gets off

:47:46.:47:50.

the ground but runs into the kind of difficulties you quite rightly say

:47:51.:47:54.

are possible, and she cannot continue, should Mr Corbyn try to

:47:55.:48:00.

form a minority government? I think so, I think we should try to put our

:48:01.:48:03.

programme of getting rid of tuition fees, investing in the NHS, and ask

:48:04.:48:11.

the other parties to support us. I'm anticipating your next question

:48:12.:48:13.

which is what happens if that doesn't work, well then we are

:48:14.:48:18.

probably heading to another general election at some point. I cannot

:48:19.:48:21.

seem Theresa May surviving as the Prime Minister for the rest of this

:48:22.:48:25.

Parliament for another five days to be frank but who knows. It's likely

:48:26.:48:31.

that you think Mrs May cannot make this work, she can start to make it

:48:32.:48:35.

work but as time goes on it could become more difficult, that Labour

:48:36.:48:39.

could try to form a minority government but given that the

:48:40.:48:42.

Parliamentary arithmetic is not great for her, it is much worse for

:48:43.:48:50.

you, that it may not work? Yes, but you have a responsibility to try and

:48:51.:48:59.

to challenge the other parties to support us honour policies of

:49:00.:49:02.

investing in the NHS, investing in childcare, so that will be a

:49:03.:49:08.

challenge for us but if the Conservatives cannot form a

:49:09.:49:11.

government we would have to take up that responsibility. John McDonnell,

:49:12.:49:16.

the Shadow Chancellor, said to me during the campaign there would be

:49:17.:49:20.

no deals. You don't have to have deals. As I said to him, we have all

:49:21.:49:35.

seen Borgen! They require deals, you have got to give them something. But

:49:36.:49:39.

when you have an minority government, challenging MPs on the

:49:40.:49:47.

other side to support new... My voters in Leicester South were not

:49:48.:49:51.

invited to make a judgment on the DUP manifesto and yet we could have

:49:52.:49:54.

a Conservative government propped up by the time being by the DUP, even

:49:55.:49:59.

though that will have a huge impact on the peace process. I think it is

:50:00.:50:08.

a different arrangement. A minority Labour government wouldn't

:50:09.:50:11.

necessarily rule out getting support from the DUP, they might need it? If

:50:12.:50:17.

they vote for us, everyone will see it because it will be transparent in

:50:18.:50:22.

the way they vote. It does seem we are in for a period of instability

:50:23.:50:26.

in British politics, that is the outcome of this election, and

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usually when that happens it leads to a second election quite quickly.

:50:31.:50:35.

It could lead to that, and it is ironic given the Tories promised a

:50:36.:50:39.

strong and stable government, and the chaos she warned of is actually

:50:40.:50:43.

chaos in the Tory party, but look at the number of seats in play at the

:50:44.:50:49.

next election now. It will be a Labour Tory stand-off and as a whole

:50:50.:50:52.

range of seats now with Tory majorities of a few hundred which

:50:53.:50:58.

Labour is targeting. Seats which based on the 2015 result we didn't

:50:59.:51:02.

think we could win. And Scotland is in play for Labour again, and it is

:51:03.:51:06.

Scottish MPs sustaining Theresa May in Government at the moment. The

:51:07.:51:12.

message in Scotland will be, if you want a Labour government, both

:51:13.:51:18.

Labour. I bet you never thought you would say that, but let's leave it

:51:19.:51:19.

there. It's just gone 10:50am,

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you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers in Wales

:51:25.:51:26.

and Northern Ireland. Coming up here in twenty

:51:27.:51:29.

minutes, the Week Ahead. First though, the Sunday

:51:30.:51:31.

Politics where you are. Raking over the coals with me,

:51:32.:51:40.

two freshly mandated Greg Hands for the Conservatives -

:51:41.:51:46.

he comfortably held the seat And Labour's Meg Hillier,

:51:47.:51:52.

who has secured another term in Hackney South and Shoreditch,

:51:53.:52:01.

scraping home with You must be disappointed you didn't

:52:02.:52:11.

get to a tee. It's a huge responsibility to have that but it's

:52:12.:52:15.

been a great election for Labour, it's not quite got us into

:52:16.:52:19.

government and that's the next challenge. Theresa May asked the

:52:20.:52:24.

country to trust her and the country gave her hands down. What went

:52:25.:52:29.

wrong? Labour have lost three elections in a row, they have no

:52:30.:52:34.

more seats than Gordon Brown won in 2010 but clearly it's a

:52:35.:52:38.

disappointing result for us. We did have some good results in London,

:52:39.:52:43.

some of my colleagues bucked the trend. I think we should have done

:52:44.:52:47.

better and I'm disappointed, but we are still the largest party, Theresa

:52:48.:52:53.

May will carry on as Prime Minister, we will carry on in Government

:52:54.:52:56.

continuing to deliver for the British people. What you think went

:52:57.:53:02.

wrong? The election was very long, it was a long campaign. Going for a

:53:03.:53:10.

start election and then having a seven and a half week campaign --

:53:11.:53:13.

going for a snap election. He just got worse as every week went by? It

:53:14.:53:20.

just felt like a long campaign, and a long campaign opens up things that

:53:21.:53:25.

might not have always happened. It gives people an chance to look at

:53:26.:53:34.

your leader and policies? No, but clearly the election was going to be

:53:35.:53:41.

dominated by Brexit and the economy, and ultimately security. I think we

:53:42.:53:45.

underplayed the economy and didn't really remind people of the economic

:53:46.:53:49.

record we had, and also some of the basic facts of the economy that were

:53:50.:53:56.

still running a budget deficit of ?57 billion. There isn't a lot of

:53:57.:54:01.

money available for the sort of things Jeremy Corbyn was offering in

:54:02.:54:05.

a non-clustered weights. What went right, was it because you provided

:54:06.:54:10.

these goodies? The manifesto did help but people were fed up with

:54:11.:54:13.

austerity. They thought there's another way to do this, and what

:54:14.:54:18.

Labour showed once there's hope for a different kind of government and

:54:19.:54:22.

austerity just for the sake of it as a policy, there is no hope at the

:54:23.:54:27.

end of the austerity tunnel and Labour was offering a real

:54:28.:54:31.

alternative, and also a lot of young voters came our way. Let's look at

:54:32.:54:34.

what happened in more detail. RETURNING OFFICER:

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The Labour Party, 34,000... Sheer disbelief, spontaneous dancing

:54:41.:54:44.

and even tears of joy. Just six weeks ago,

:54:45.:54:48.

Labour were preparing But as Thursday night went on,

:54:49.:54:50.

it was win after win. The first big surprise

:54:51.:54:53.

was in Battersea, where they managed to unseat

:54:54.:54:55.

government minister Jane Ellison. Last week, one of the few opinion

:54:56.:54:57.

polling companies who predicted a hung parliament said Labour

:54:58.:55:00.

would win Battersea, and it was met including by people in the Labour

:55:01.:55:03.

Party. But the dire warnings

:55:04.:55:06.

from many of the party's MPs, that under Jeremy Corbyn

:55:07.:55:09.

they would be doomed, at least in London they looked

:55:10.:55:12.

far out indeed. They won 55% of the vote and two

:55:13.:55:14.

thirds of all seats. Less than a year ago,

:55:15.:55:17.

the mayor was one of those He wasn't in the mood for talking

:55:18.:55:20.

on Thursday, and indeed, it could be that his reputation

:55:21.:55:27.

of being a special type Last year, when Sadiq Khan won,

:55:28.:55:30.

it looked as if Sadiq Khan Now we see that the Labour Party

:55:31.:55:36.

as a whole, and also 20 of so perhaps Sadiq Khan's magic,

:55:37.:55:43.

as it was seen last year, is just Labour magic that has

:55:44.:55:48.

rubbed off on the mayor. I'd like to say thank

:55:49.:55:53.

you to my family, my mum... That big Labour turnout was also

:55:54.:55:58.

on display in Croydon Central where the Conservatives lost

:55:59.:56:02.

Minister for London Gavin Barwell. We actually got more

:56:03.:56:08.

votes than last time. The Labour Party did an amazing job

:56:09.:56:09.

of turning people out. Turnout was well up and they turned

:56:10.:56:12.

out a whole load of voters that In 2015 you would knock on the door

:56:13.:56:16.

and a young person would come to the door and they would say,

:56:17.:56:20.

I'll get my mum. This time, someone would come

:56:21.:56:22.

to the door and say, I don't know how I'm voting,

:56:23.:56:27.

but my son is voting Labour. Once upon a time, London

:56:28.:56:30.

was a swing city - it voted much like the rest

:56:31.:56:33.

of the country did. But for the last 25 years,

:56:34.:56:35.

the Labour vote here has got stronger and stronger,

:56:36.:56:38.

to the point where in this general election, the party almost

:56:39.:56:40.

dominates the capital. Perhaps clues might be found

:56:41.:56:45.

in what's probably the most surprising result of this

:56:46.:56:51.

astonishing election, The seat with the highest

:56:52.:56:53.

average salary in UK, coming in it at over

:56:54.:57:03.

?140,000 a year. I know people here,

:57:04.:57:06.

they vote for social value and their morals,

:57:07.:57:10.

values, whatever you want to say, In a lot of this constituency,

:57:11.:57:13.

that's what they think about. How do we keep our neighbourhoods

:57:14.:57:23.

together, and so on. But this seat is so associated

:57:24.:57:25.

with a certain type of Conservative that David Cameron and his closest

:57:26.:57:29.

allies were even nicknamed So when the Conservative Party

:57:30.:57:31.

replaced the Notting Hill Set with Theresa May, could it be

:57:32.:57:35.

they also lost a kind This might not be the most normal

:57:36.:57:38.

place in the city by any stretch, but the fact David Cameron

:57:39.:57:42.

and George Osborne at least lived here, well, does that mean

:57:43.:57:45.

they understood London in a way that Theresa May

:57:46.:57:47.

never quite did? Or could it be that whoever

:57:48.:57:51.

is in charge, the Conservative brand David Cameron still comes down

:57:52.:57:54.

this street for coffee. He is not necessarily

:57:55.:58:01.

warmly welcomed, actually, because of the mess he brought

:58:02.:58:06.

with the vanity project The Conservatives, though, were

:58:07.:58:08.

celebrating their success in London. The Conservatives last won

:58:09.:58:12.

a majority in London in 1992, If they ever want to win

:58:13.:58:14.

a comfortable majority in the country, let alone

:58:15.:58:19.

a landslide, they will have to find a way to win back what's now,

:58:20.:58:22.

more than ever, a Labour city. Greg Hands, Notting Hill's George

:58:23.:58:34.

Osborne said this morning, and you will have seen and heard it, that

:58:35.:58:38.

Theresa May is a dead woman walking. Do you agree? I don't. She'll carry

:58:39.:58:46.

on as Prime Minister. I believe she has the support of Conservative MPs.

:58:47.:58:51.

We need her as Prime Minister to go forward from here with Brexit talks

:58:52.:58:55.

starting a week tomorrow. We have to make sure we have a steady

:58:56.:59:00.

government in place. Your close colleague, you saw him in a lift not

:59:01.:59:05.

so long ago. George is now doing a different job. He is editor of the

:59:06.:59:09.

London Evening Standard and will give his view, to which he is

:59:10.:59:13.

perfectly entitled, but not necessarily one with which I agree.

:59:14.:59:17.

Your party asked Londoners to consider this as a question of

:59:18.:59:21.

leadership. That was the basis of the whole campaign. What do you

:59:22.:59:25.

make, and what do you say about her now and her style of leadership,

:59:26.:59:29.

given that Londoners certainly, and the country to an extent, have given

:59:30.:59:37.

a negative verdict. The Conservatives are still the largest

:59:38.:59:39.

party. It was a disappointment, but we still won the general election

:59:40.:59:42.

and is Theresa May is leader of the largest party in a House of Commons.

:59:43.:59:46.

It's quite normal for her to carry on as Prime Minister and form her

:59:47.:59:50.

government. I hope there will be a couple of changes. Our message on

:59:51.:59:54.

the economy needs to be stronger. We need to keep repeating our great

:59:55.:59:58.

economic successes of the last seven years and make sure we continue to

:59:59.:00:02.

keep pointing out to the British people that the job isn't yet

:00:03.:00:05.

finished. We have a budget deficit in this country. We have to do a lot

:00:06.:00:10.

more to help working people. There are 3 million more working people in

:00:11.:00:14.

the country than there were in 2010. That's the sort of thing we need to

:00:15.:00:19.

emphasise going forward. Meg Hillier, are you ready to form a

:00:20.:00:22.

government? We relish the chance to do it, but we can't do it with the

:00:23.:00:26.

numbers right now. We need another election. Epic Theresa May is

:00:27.:00:33.

dented. The idea that they are united behind her, the airwaves have

:00:34.:00:37.

been full of messages saying that they are fragmented behind her. Do

:00:38.:00:47.

you say that you think there will be a leadership contest? Who can tell.

:00:48.:00:52.

What would you like to see? You are not in a position now. We would be

:00:53.:00:56.

ready any time. But realistically from what Greg is saying and some of

:00:57.:01:00.

the mood music coming out from the Tory Central office, they are

:01:01.:01:04.

clearly trying to keep her in post until they decide what they will do.

:01:05.:01:08.

Two out of three general elections, the Conservatives have been in and

:01:09.:01:14.

not won. You didn't win in 2010 and didn't win this time. You are in

:01:15.:01:18.

government but you didn't actually win. But laid-back has lost the

:01:19.:01:22.

elections. You are the largest party, but in London, 42 seats with

:01:23.:01:33.

majorities over 15,000. The other 15, more than 10,000. There are

:01:34.:01:38.

virtually no marginals left. Your brand is toxic in the capital. I

:01:39.:01:42.

don't agree with that. We need to look at why we didn't perform well

:01:43.:01:46.

in London. For the third election in a row London is the worst performing

:01:47.:01:52.

region. You were involved in a campaign. You are well plugged in.

:01:53.:01:56.

What were the answers and why didn't you do it this time? I don't think

:01:57.:02:02.

our message was properly attuned to London will stop if Jeremy Corbyn

:02:03.:02:07.

had become Prime Minister, and thankfully he isn't, if he had

:02:08.:02:10.

become Prime Minister, London would have been punished the most, with

:02:11.:02:17.

higher taxes and job losses. It would have been dreadful economic

:02:18.:02:26.

news. What was responsible and who was responsible for the message is

:02:27.:02:31.

not being ideal and out of there? It is no point looking backwards?

:02:32.:02:35.

That's exactly what this programme is about. The Prime Minister's two

:02:36.:02:38.

chiefs of staff have resigned yesterday. Is it their fault, two

:02:39.:02:43.

unelected special advisers? I'm not saying that, but we need to go

:02:44.:02:47.

forward from here and try to find a better message for London that will

:02:48.:02:51.

resonate right across. We did get good results in London. I mentioned

:02:52.:02:56.

particular parts earlier. We want to try to dig deeper and understand,

:02:57.:03:04.

read the ruins about places like Putney, Justine Greening was very

:03:05.:03:09.

narrow, only won through by 1500 votes. She did have a majority

:03:10.:03:15.

10,000. What's going on? We need to look at our campaigning, our

:03:16.:03:18.

messaging, and remind people of the good achievements of the

:03:19.:03:22.

Conservative government and economic threat posed by... Checking on one

:03:23.:03:28.

factor you, Lynton Crosby, do you blame him for the approach. In a

:03:29.:03:35.

sense it was very controlled. We never saw any seedier Conservative

:03:36.:03:37.

people like you out there in the campaign. I worked very hard in a

:03:38.:03:42.

number of constituencies. I was not only in Chelsea and Fulham, but

:03:43.:03:47.

Brentford and Ealing, and other places that were disappointing for

:03:48.:03:51.

us. I'm not in the business of blaming individuals, but we need to

:03:52.:03:54.

look at our message for London as a whole. We need to have a good offer

:03:55.:03:58.

on the economy and need to think about some of the issues that are

:03:59.:04:03.

particular to London. The private rented sector, housing, where I

:04:04.:04:08.

think we had good policies. Meg Hillier, what do you say to those

:04:09.:04:13.

MPs who are now sitting, Labour MPs, with quite nice majorities, Wes

:04:14.:04:19.

Streeting, Neal Coyle, and there are others, but who are so busy Fritz

:04:20.:04:23.

Lee critical of Jeremy Corbyn. -- who are so vociferously critical.

:04:24.:04:30.

Anybody who thought Jeremy couldn't manage on a campaign trail was

:04:31.:04:35.

wrong. Anybody who knew Jeremy, and I have thrown in for 25 years,

:04:36.:04:39.

wouldn't doubt his ability to connect on the doorstep, he has the

:04:40.:04:43.

common touch, to use an old-fashioned phrase. I think

:04:44.:04:50.

everybody acknowledges Jeremy, on a seven and a half week campaign

:04:51.:04:54.

trail, people got to see the real person, not the wooden arrangement

:04:55.:04:57.

we have in a House of Commons where we have these fixed set piece

:04:58.:05:02.

setups. What should happen to MPs like that if they continue this kind

:05:03.:05:05.

of strategy over the next few months? There have always been

:05:06.:05:12.

disagreements in all our parties between backbenchers and the leader.

:05:13.:05:17.

Jeremy himself voted more than 500 times against the leadership. We are

:05:18.:05:24.

a broad. It's not personal. As some people suggest. It's about different

:05:25.:05:28.

peoples points of view. It important now we have a wide discussion about

:05:29.:05:32.

what worked, why we didn't get over the line to get into government, and

:05:33.:05:36.

what we need to do if we think there is an election coming soon. What if

:05:37.:05:41.

we saw a similar of dissent again? I didn't say that. I think we need to

:05:42.:05:45.

have an open and proper discussion, not clamping down. When Jeremy was

:05:46.:05:50.

elected, I was speaking to the BBC at a time, and they asked what was

:05:51.:05:54.

good about this. He has stopped clamping down on dissent and he

:05:55.:05:57.

wants to have an open debate. We haven't had much time for that in

:05:58.:06:01.

last couple of years, with what has happened, but we should do that now

:06:02.:06:04.

and fairly fast because there could be election. We will move on. One of

:06:05.:06:12.

the key issues was the issue of Brexit.

:06:13.:06:13.

London was asked again about the decision to leave the EU.

:06:14.:06:16.

From Battersea to Barnet, there was a Brexit backlash -

:06:17.:06:20.

In politics, you don't need a death to have an inquest.

:06:21.:06:25.

London's vote in the so-called Brexit election saw Brexiteers

:06:26.:06:27.

There is clearly evidence of a Brexit effect in this election.

:06:28.:06:34.

In some places a kind of Remainers revenge,

:06:35.:06:38.

where the vote shift between the Conservatives and Labour

:06:39.:06:42.

obviously means people have looked at Brexit and thought,

:06:43.:06:47.

"Even if we don't like Jeremy Corbyn, we're going to vote

:06:48.:06:49.

Labour for a softer version of Brexit as a way of

:06:50.:06:52.

delivering a message about what happened last year."

:06:53.:06:57.

But in the immediate aftermath, has that message got

:06:58.:07:01.

through to the party who, though depleted, are still in power?

:07:02.:07:04.

Are you not reading this, as many people are, as a total

:07:05.:07:07.

The way to reject Brexit in the general election was very clear.

:07:08.:07:12.

We had the Liberal Democrats saying vote for us and we will unscramble

:07:13.:07:15.

Brexit and give you a vote to change your mind,

:07:16.:07:17.

And I would urge the Labour party, who also campaigned on the idea

:07:18.:07:23.

and wanting a free trade arrangement with our partners in Europe,

:07:24.:07:28.

to get behind the Prime Minister when she's negotiating in Brussels.

:07:29.:07:31.

But one senior Lib Dem told me the Government should now heed

:07:32.:07:34.

the warning the electorate have sent about their plans for

:07:35.:07:36.

First of all in London, people were furious that

:07:37.:07:41.

Theresa May's approach wasn't to say, "I'm going to reach

:07:42.:07:45.

across now to Remainers and bring the country together."

:07:46.:07:48.

It was, "Remain people, you need to sit back and be silent,

:07:49.:07:52.

and in fact the only patriotic thing you can do is to give me a mandate

:07:53.:07:56.

to do whatever it is I choose to do, and I'm not even going to

:07:57.:07:59.

discuss it with you and tell you what the details

:08:00.:08:02.

are going to be or how it's going to impact our lives."

:08:03.:08:05.

I think that made people in this city exceedingly angry.

:08:06.:08:07.

While Labour say the PM's Brexit position is now untenable.

:08:08.:08:11.

Someone dies, someone's ill, someone falls over,

:08:12.:08:13.

And for all of those reasons, this next period is going to be

:08:14.:08:19.

very rocky, I think, in British politics,

:08:20.:08:22.

but I think we are seeing goodbye to a hard Brexit.

:08:23.:08:26.

And some Tories admit cross-party co-operation

:08:27.:08:28.

I think it means we will have to work with colleagues

:08:29.:08:35.

in Parliament to deliver a sustainable and workable Brexit.

:08:36.:08:37.

The reason for our agreeing to work with the DUP

:08:38.:08:43.

is to give that stability, and that's important for business

:08:44.:08:46.

and so that our European partners know who they are negotiating with.

:08:47.:08:49.

There's even a sense of regret for Labour at what might have been,

:08:50.:08:52.

Look, if we'd had greater belief, we could have done it actually.

:08:53.:08:59.

We could've got the numbers, and we could be forming

:09:00.:09:01.

So, absolutely the Labour Party now has to remain completely united.

:09:02.:09:07.

We could have a general election at any time.

:09:08.:09:10.

And with this result taking so many of us by surprise,

:09:11.:09:14.

it could well be more long nights ahead.

:09:15.:09:20.

Greg Hands come help us on this. The figures were quite staggering where

:09:21.:09:26.

the votes piled up for Labour candidates. People like Theresa

:09:27.:09:30.

Villiers in Chipping Barnet, winning by 325 after having a 9000 majority.

:09:31.:09:35.

She only just hung on. What were people saying about Brexit and what

:09:36.:09:40.

you have got wrong about the presentation of the world of Brexit?

:09:41.:09:45.

A lot depended on which part of London you were in. You mention

:09:46.:09:49.

Theresa Villiers in Chipping Barnet, but just next door... Let's focus on

:09:50.:09:54.

those areas, rather than the exceptions, the broader areas. Two

:09:55.:09:59.

of the three Barnet seats were quite good for us. London has a very

:10:00.:10:06.

diverse population and diverse set of constituencies. In my

:10:07.:10:11.

constituency Brexit was an issue. It cost me votes in Chelsea and Fulham.

:10:12.:10:15.

What don't they like about it? A number of people don't want Brexit

:10:16.:10:22.

to happen. We can see that, but why? But the Liberal Democrats, the party

:10:23.:10:26.

of stop Brexit, they had a terrible election. Their vote share was down.

:10:27.:10:32.

Their second worst result in years. Why don't they want Brexit to

:10:33.:10:36.

happen? Because there are some people who wanted to rerun last

:10:37.:10:42.

year's referendum. Why, though. What don't they like about the vision of

:10:43.:10:47.

Brexit in the capital? That's obvious, some people want Brexit to

:10:48.:10:50.

happen and there are some who don't. And those who don't... I wonder

:10:51.:10:55.

whether people actually didn't need to have you talking about the

:10:56.:10:58.

economy, they thought, we know what will happen to the economy when we

:10:59.:11:03.

get Brexit. The fact is it was a national referendum, and I think the

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Labour Party policy wasn't dissimilar in recognising that it

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was a national referendum. Just to help reinforce this, in Battersea,

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where Labour hardly campaigned, and you lost Battersea. Labour

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campaigned heavily! What did people not like about Brexit and your

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presentation of it? This is going back to the referendum from last

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year. In actual fact, the big rejection, the one party that stood

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on a specific stop Brexit, reverse Brexit and have a second referendum

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platform... So you don't accept, do you think there needs to be a

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different style about trying to explain what Brexit will mean for

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London? Do you want to see a softening of the immigration

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approach or guarantee access to the single market? All of these things

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were going to be very important in the negotiation. Migration would be

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an important factor. The City of London, financial services, the

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importance of the London economy, passporting. All of these things

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were going to be important parts of the negotiations starting in a week.

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Meg Hillier, what would you like to see? A clear message from London is

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about immigration and access to the single market. Access to the single

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market is absolutely fundamental. It has to do happen. Greg is being very

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dismissive. Would you like to see the Labour position change on Brexit

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in anyway given was London has signalled? We need people to come

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into this country. We still don't have the skills base to fill those

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gaps. To close the door and that would be incredible. A lot of

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Europeans are also very anxious. Should there be a slightly looser

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view about immigration? Personally I would like to see that but I'm not

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privy to those conversations, not being on the front bench. We had a

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real anger in constituency, a lot of Europeans on the doorstep, they have

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become citizens and they have voted. A lot of people want to say that we

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should dismiss the Remainers, and that's one of the problems the

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Tories had. 17% of my constituency EU national scum as is my wife. I

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speak to them all the time. I'm not saying you personally. -- are EU

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nationals, as is my wife. If your role is offered, would there

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be any advice you would offer to the leader about which way to take

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Brexit? I think the party needs to be united, we need to get the best

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possible deal. The economy will be part of that, the importance of the

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London economy. You are with Philip Hammond on that? There is unity in

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making sure we get the best possible deal for the UK. But the public

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doesn't have a clue what's on the table. It is very clearly laid out.

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The Conservative government has not laid out clearly what Brexit means

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and that played out badly with people in this election which is why

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they voted the way they did. Thank you, back to you, Andrew.

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It's a glorious day here, made all the more glorious by being joined by

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the political editor of the Sun #

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Steve Richards, who writes for the Independent,

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and Julia Hartley-Brewer, who presents a radio

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So, this is how many MPs each of the parties currently have.

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318 for the Conservatives, 262 for Labour and the remaining 70

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MPs are shared out between another six parties and one independent.

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If we assume that the Conservatives and the DUP do reach some sort

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of deal, they would then have a combined total of 328.

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Sinn Fein don't take their seats in Westminster so we can take them

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And if we add together all of the remaining parties,

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There's also one speaker and three deputy speakers, normally balanced

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According to convention, speakers don't take part in votes.

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So if we take away two speakers from the government and opposition

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totals that gets us to 326 MPs up against 313.

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That means that the effective working majority for

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the Conservatives plus the DUP would be 13.

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Steve, let me be down to consensus here, 13 is not a lot. It is less

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than she had before she went to the country, but with sensible and

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cautious parliamentary management, with 13, maybe it is not as unstable

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as we have all been saying. The broader context is as unstable as we

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have all been saying, but in the short term you haven't interviewed a

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single Tory who says we want an election this summer or even this

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autumn. But given that, they cannot afford to be defeated continuously

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in the Commons so a single question will be post at Number Ten weekly,

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and that is, can this get through the House of Commons? In that sense

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I think it will carry on for some time, this Parliament, not

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necessarily Theresa May, because they have no choice but to carry on,

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in the same way that in the 1970s the Labour government staggered on

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for years. Not because the Commons was stable but because neither

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Wilson Callaghan wanted to call an election they would lose. The

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broader context is far from stable and when Brexit legislation comes to

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the Commons, all hell will break loose. What do you think, more

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stable than we thought? If you allow for every cabinet and junior

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minister having to come back from Brussels for every single vote, no

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one will be allowed to be in hospital overnight... I think

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people, after a long campaign, everyone is exhausted. I think the

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reality is if Theresa May had an credibility left, if she could still

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make it through as Prime Minister in a year's time with support of her

:18:35.:18:38.

party, maybe it could limp on but does she is a dead woman walking, as

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George Osborne put it this morning, I don't see how she can be stable.

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She may be walking wounded, but you could see with some sensible

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parliamentary management, and as Steve says with the Tory MPs not

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desiring to have to go to the country for a while anyway, although

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it would be messy and unpredictable at times, it may not be the car

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crash that a lot of us thought it would be 24 hours after the result.

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I hear your glass half full, I'm here to say it is untrue. The

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victors would -- the numbers would dictate you are right, however this

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is all about doing a deal with the DUP. This is not the coalition, it

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is confidence and supply, and a deal with an Ulster party, especially the

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DUP with their particular interests, is incredibly volatile. All they

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have agreed to do, and not even quite yet but probably will

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tomorrow, is vote through possibly a Queen's speech, budget matters and

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confidence motions, therefore the Government has no great majority to

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pass a single other piece of legislation additives unsustainable.

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It may last a year while Brexit is under way, and Brexit is the crucial

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factor in this. Brexit could be -- lets come onto Brexit, Ruth Davidson

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has gathered these Tory MPs together, let's have a quick look at

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her with what she calls her new team.

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So there you are. Visually showing there are a lot more than pandas in

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Edinburgh zoo! She went on to say: She is not even in the Commons but

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she wants to be involved, she's in the Scottish parliament. I can see

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why she saying that but I also heard Dominic Raab tell me earlier he

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didn't think we need to change the Brexit strategy. This could be the

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return of Tory euro awards. It never went away, the reality is Ruth

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Davidson isn't going to bring down the minority Tory government for

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that. 84% of people who voted on Thursday voted for a party who

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accepted the referendum result. It is categorically stated, different

:21:28.:21:30.

priorities in terms of the deal but there is no question this idea of

:21:31.:21:33.

staying in the single market would be great, as long as we don't have

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free movement, but the reality is that is not on the table. Soft

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Brexit does not exist as an option. The only option is leaving the EU,

:21:47.:21:49.

leaving the single market and maintaining control of our borders.

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Any party who will try to defy that will be very full much indeed.

:21:55.:21:57.

They're in mind John McDonnell only today has said we will be leaving is

:21:58.:22:01.

the single market if he has anything to do with it. Does Mrs May have to

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change her Brexit strategy? I think the reason politics is so turbulent

:22:11.:22:16.

is over this. Like Heath in 1974, Theresa May sorter mandate. She

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hasn't got it. I think her version of Brexit is in real trouble because

:22:32.:22:36.

it has given permission for all of those Tory Remainers to come out

:22:37.:22:40.

again and declare... At this point, they are not saying and all this,

:22:41.:22:45.

but a different kind of Brexit which could lead in a stormy direction. On

:22:46.:22:54.

Brexit, perhaps change, the manifesto... Is that pretty dead in

:22:55.:22:59.

the water now? I think most of it is dead in the water. You have

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interviewed Graham Brady giving up on grammar schools, oscillating Lee.

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He was the cheerleader for the thing. Steve is right, the Prime

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Minister simply didn't win a mandate to deliver her version of Brexit.

:23:15.:23:21.

Whether you believe Brexit should go ahead as Julie or Steve wanted...

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Know, as the British people want it. They have thrown back Theresa May's

:23:28.:23:32.

version of Brexit by not giving her a majority. I'm simply saying the

:23:33.:23:36.

first rule of politics is to learn how to count. Brussels is now no

:23:37.:23:43.

longer negotiating with the Prime Minister, she's negotiating with the

:23:44.:23:47.

House of Commons all over again. Is the Sun going to stick with Mrs May?

:23:48.:23:56.

She is on borrowed time. I think personally she needs to stay to

:23:57.:23:59.

stabilise the situation but she cannot fight another general

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election. I want to go on to the DUP because the narrative from the left

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on the DUP is concentrated on the unfashionable views on homosexuality

:24:11.:24:14.

or abortion and so on, but I would suggest none of these are up for

:24:15.:24:19.

grabs in any of the deals the Tories will do, that would be an

:24:20.:24:24.

conceivable. On things like public spending, public sector pay, welfare

:24:25.:24:28.

benefits, given that they represent large numbers of Protestant

:24:29.:24:31.

working-class votes, they are to the left of the Tories on these issues.

:24:32.:24:36.

This is a hidden irony of what happened because you said Philip

:24:37.:24:41.

Hammond wanted an earlier election so he was liberated from the Tory

:24:42.:24:46.

constraints of the 2015 manifesto, so he could do some complicated

:24:47.:24:51.

spending cuts and tax increases and so on. Now he's dependent on the DUP

:24:52.:25:00.

would -- who would support the triple lock and want to keep the

:25:01.:25:05.

winter fuel allowance. Ironically this early election constrains

:25:06.:25:09.

Philip Hammond more than he was before, and it was called partly

:25:10.:25:13.

obviously about Brexit but to free him up and he is more trapped than

:25:14.:25:18.

ever. I don't think he will get the triple lock through the House of

:25:19.:25:20.

Commons and I don't think he will try because they would be defeated.

:25:21.:25:25.

Since in the election campaign it was on things like welfare and

:25:26.:25:29.

public sector pay freezes that the Tories were on the wrong end of

:25:30.:25:34.

Labour, they might find these DUP position quite convenient. Yes, they

:25:35.:25:43.

can drop everything. I think it's going to be about three paragraphs

:25:44.:25:47.

long, the shortest Queen's speech ever. Tony Blair's Queen's speech

:25:48.:25:59.

was pages and pages. Of course Boris Johnson wants a job, but wouldn't be

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rather see her fail with the Brexit negotiations, fail with the DUP,

:26:06.:26:09.

everything collapses, they have to take over and go to the country for

:26:10.:26:13.

the good of the country and not the party. Should she pay more attention

:26:14.:26:21.

to the DUP's economic policies now? We should pay attention to every

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menu shy. The website crashed on Friday morning. We have only got 15

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seconds so be quick. Will Mrs May still be there by the Tory party

:26:37.:26:42.

conference in early October? Probably yes. Yes but not much

:26:43.:26:45.

beyond. Yes but only as a puppet. That's all from us here

:26:46.:26:50.

in Westminster today, but of course the BBC News Channel

:26:51.:26:51.

will continue to cover the fall-out Tomorrow Jo Coburn will be

:26:52.:26:55.

back on BBC Two at noon with more Daily Politics,

:26:56.:26:58.

and I'll be here on BBC One at the usual time

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