22/04/2012 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


22/04/2012

Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with the latest political news, including an interview with the Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg.


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In the North East, at Durham prison as a category B prison home to

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serious offenders. Should a private company be allowed to run it for

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1729 seconds

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A warm welcome to your local party official. Coming up - now cheaper

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to buy a council house backs it extra discounts from the government.

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Does that mean few affordable homes for those who need in the most?

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Talking about that are my guests, Stockton MP James Wharton. Durham

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is a category B prison that it contains the most dangerous

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offenders. It is one of nine prisons that the Government is

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considering handing over to a private company to run. Ministers

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say there is more to it than saving money because they say it could

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also help cut reoffending rates. Prison officers say making money

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out of prisoners is plain wrong. Durham prison. One of the oldest in

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Britain. Inside, just over 1000 prisoners. This places be on the

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news this week as it has been revealed one in eight prisoners

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here develop a drug habit after being locked up here. This is of

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concern particularly because the prison is facing competition. The

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competition comes from private companies who want to run the

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prison. It is a form of privatisation that the Government

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calls market testing. The unions say this is a bad idea. We do not

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think there is a need for this competition policy. We believe that

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a public sector Prison Service as an effective and cost effective. We

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do not believe it is morally correct to put profit in private

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shareholders from the misery of others. A by the end of the year,

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this prison could be run by a private firm. A good deal for

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taxpayers are a dangerous risk? You have heard what the Prison

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Officers' Association have said. Basically, it is distasteful to

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make money out of prisons? understand the concern. The

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important thing is to ensure that standards are maintained and things

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are done properly. At the moment, it cost �45,000 to run at a single

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prison cell. The last government started the programme at looking at

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whether the private sector could contribute to running a presence

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and an effective and efficient way. Where appropriate, it should be

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rolled out. That has not been for a very prison. We will look at

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individual circumstances and how prisons are being run today before

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making that decision. This whole process started under the last

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government. Are you against it now? I was against it then and against

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it now. I did not hear you shouting about it are threatening to resign.

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You're not listening because I have been speaking up against the

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privatisation of prisons for a long time. The inspectors' report this

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week said that the prison was making enormous progress and had

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very good management. Unfortunately, the media are being distracted at

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the moment by this privatisation progress. That is not good for the

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running of our prisons and they do an effective job. What I would like

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to do support the prison staff. They do an incredibly difficult job

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and have very serious issues to deal with. I accept there was some

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praise and that report but it found the prison was not sufficiently

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safe and one in five inmates tested positive for drugs. There were lots

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of positive points in that report and it pointed to a particular

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issue and drug use. That is being tackled by the management of the

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prison who, since the report was written, have really tackled the

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drugs issue and reduced drug usage by about 1 1/2. They're making

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progress and need to be supported and be do not want to see the

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prison privatised. This was never a lover the Democrat policy but I can

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remember. -- Liberal Democrat policy. Our policy has always been

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that we are in favour of public or private sector running prisons as

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long as they do it efficiently and well. So what is already to make

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profit out of prisons? -- it is all right. If they can run it more

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efficiently through a private contractor then that is OK, that

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his spine. What I am pleased about with this is that it has been to

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put out to the public sector is well to run it. It is in stark

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contrast to something like academies where local academies --

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local authorities are not like to put forward a community school and

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they have to look at the Academy's first. Here, you have a level

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playing field where public and private and partnerships can come

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together and offer to do it. Is it a level playing field? As I

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understand it, 20% has been added to the costs of the in house picked

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by the existing public sector management. It is difficult as to

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how you'd apply criteria to get a level playing field. Their costs

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involved behind the scenes that are centrally and kerb at the

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Department of Justice that contribute towards, or take away

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from the costs of up public sector organisation has a private sector

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has to provide. We're not saying all prisons should be privatised

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but we should look at whether there is an effective and more efficient

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way of doing this. The report that he met this week implied that at a

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time when they're trying to tackle these problems, they have to

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produce a bed for the prison they already run. We have a problem with

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the image of prison provision in this country at the moment. There

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are only about 2000 spare spaces in our prisons, many of which are

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already overcrowded and we have to do something about that. We cannot

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find savings because there is no money left. We are massively of a

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spending as a country. If we cannot find a more effective way of

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running a prisons, we will run into bigger problems in the future.

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is about value for money for the taxpayer. That cannot be a bad

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thing? We want prisons to run effectively but they also have to

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do a good job and rehabilitate the people who are there. Some of the

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praise that was given to the prison management this week was about how

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the strength and work opportunities and training opportunities within

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the prison. Some of those schemes are now being put at risk by cuts

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and by the privatisation proposals. It is not only about efficiency and

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the running of the prison but ensuring that the people who are

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there do not go out and continue to commit crimes. That is not included

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atoll in the tender documents. this be a waste of money if it ends

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up being in in his bed? But -- in house bid. The tendering process is

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useful because there is currently a lot of dissatisfaction. It is

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about... Who will have to cut you off there.

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From this month, it is cheaper to buy a council house should you what

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it. Ministers are offering bigger discounts and say it is about

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resurrecting the spirit of ownership from thatcher's time in

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office. Some say it is not welcome news and that money gained from

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selling homes will not be enough to build more affordable homes.

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1987 - Madonna was in the charts, Mrs thatcher won a third term and

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this family bought their council house. The benefits have been that

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I have something to leave the children. It was about security. It

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was about getting on the property ladder. The fact that I love these

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decide, I loved it here, and they wanted to buy a house here. After

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the heyday of the policy, the number exercising their right to

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buy has fallen. The coalition government is giving up another

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lease of life. From now on, tenants purchasing council houses get a

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much bigger discount. The maximum saving in the North East has risen

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from �22,000 to 75 -- �75,000 below the market value.

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The effect of three decades of right-to-buy can be seen clearly in

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a street like this one. It used to be all council-owned but it is now

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three-quarters private. Supporters of the transition say it has meant

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greater pride and vitality. Critics have a right to buy say that 30

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years on, it has led to a shortage of affordable rental homes for

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those who need them most. Ministers say it would different this time.

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For a very council house sold, they promise an affordable home will be

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built. One of these council says it will not get enough money from each

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sale to fund a replacement. There is a shortfall of around �13,000

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because tenants get a very large discount now and we also have to

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hand back substantial amounts to the government. We have estimated

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that for every 25 houses we sell, we will only be able to provide 10.

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This Darlington estate is already a mix of council and private. What

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the residents here think? I think it is a good idea because if the

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price reduction comes down a lot lower, it will help young people to

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get onto the property ladder. they try selling them off, there

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will not be enough for people like me and my husband to a disabled to

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Nevin. As well as concern about the housing shortage, their fears about

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the financial risk of buying a house in -- council house and a

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volatile market. There are fears that those who have bought their

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houses through right-to-buy at higher risk of mortgage arrears and

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losing their properties. Because of the higher rates of unemployment

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here, that is something that worries us for the future. In a

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previous see a, were right to buy East up-to-date aspirational chord

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with the electorate. It is far from clear that this remixed policy will

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be a hit with voters. James Wharton, this might be great

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for those who get a big discount but the danger is these people will

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be pulling up a ladder behind them at at least places like Darlington

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short of affordable homes. somebody buys their home, that is

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one less person who needs a council house, so there is less demand.

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Money released by that has been be invested by the Government through

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a centralised scheme to allow a one-for-one replacement nationally

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so that for every house that is sold, another is built. Where does

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that leave a place like Darlington who do not see all this money come

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back? For every 25 houses sold, they have 25 fewer council tenants

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who need those homes. government has made a big play of

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needing to build new homes. If it reduces the stock, this cannot be a

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success came at you will have 25 people who wear in council homes

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who do not need them. You use some of the money to build new

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affordable properties for people to move into. You will have more stock,

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more people living in their own homes. It is a good scheme and it

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is right to be invigorated in this way. The right to buy it made a

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huge difference to people's lives. Your Government made it difficult

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for people to get the same benefit? We support aspiration and the right

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to buy. We were shifting resources because we inherited an �18 billion

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black gold. We had to ensure that properties were brought up to a

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basic standard. Only 25% of the receipts of sales are going to stay

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with the local area. When the replacement house is built if it is

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ever built, that will be at 80% of market rent so it will not be like-

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for-like. No local authority will get any money until an additional

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13,000 houses had been put on to the right to buy. Our criticism is

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about like-for-like replacement. that not commonsense to it, rather

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than just handing the money straight back to the council, take

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a more strategic view. They may not be needed in Darlington but instead

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in Durham, for instance? The point is that this is not replacement of

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like-for-like. There as an acute shortage of affordable housing

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right across the country. Up if we're going to lose yet more houses

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from the affordable rented sector, then we need more affordable houses

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to be built in that area. This is just not going to happen under the

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scheme. Has the Government got it right here? In rural areas, it may

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be more of a problem? There is something to be aware of here which

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is that in this, there is an additional commitment to build

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130,000 extra houses in this Parliament. That is in addition to

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the one for one. Weaver very police have Liberal Democrats to get this

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one for one replacement for each household because that was not

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there before. As ever, the devil is in the detail and we have to be

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aware of that. The other issue we would like to have seen would have

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been to have a more local approach to it. The �75,000 discount in the

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media like the North is far too much. Because the houses are worth

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a lot less? Yes, so we would like to have seen that be locally

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determined and be more strategic. You're right about rural areas like

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the one I live and where we are desperate for affordable homes.

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everyone get �75,000. That is the maximum some people can get and it

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depends how many years she had been in the house, there is a formula.

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Thank you all very much. No shortage of other news this week

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with a special debate in Parliament about the North East economy and

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the local election visit to Cumbria by the Prime Minister. He that his

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and 60 seconds. The first steel has been produced

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at the reopened blast furnace on Teesside. It was lit again last

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weekend after being mothballed. David Cameron has promised to make

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apprenticeships attractive alternative to university. He was

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speaking during a visit to Carlisle. The Greens have parallel in their

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sights as well. We are looking to challenge the cuts agenda but we

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also be looking to make sure that money stays within local community.

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I Gateshead MP accused ministers of presiding of a slash-and-burn

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agenda for the North. The much-heralded regional growth

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fund has funnelled money directly into companies in the north.

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MPs have welcomed a decision to display the Lindisfarne Gospels

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next summer. A man and a rush there.

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Welcome news about the Cuthbert Bible but does this helped the

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campaign to get the Gospels displayed permanently in Durham?

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think it does. We are looking forward to next year and we think

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it will be fantastic for Durham and the North East to have a

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Lindisfarne Gospel and the Cuthbert gospel displayed alongside it. We

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think it will be a huge attraction for the North East and bring lots

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of people into the area. We will have to use that and use the

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display to really step up a campaign for a permanent relocation.

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James Wharton, a good news for Teesside? What you think it means

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for the state of the economy that work is ongoing for their? No one

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is denying the economy is still on a tough situation. With the

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reopening of this blast furnace and Teesside, that is great news.

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Hitachi are opening and good news from Nissan. A lot of good news in

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the North East economy which suggests we are coming into the

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difficult period which means jobs and investment in the future, which

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we need. There are important developments such as the Durham

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Valley airport. Any development there? It has been bought by People

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who used to be dealers. They are pushing ahead with an advertising

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drive and looking for support across Teesside. We wanted to be

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excess it and hopefully it can be. Do people in North Yorkshire Cup --

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care about this airport bar do they wanted us go to Bradford?

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Improvements are being made which is fantastic. I cannot see it

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released are making much of a note in North Yorkshire. We're very well

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served by Leeds-Bradford. That's about it for months. If you live in

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Newcastle and would like to get involved in the debate over an

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elected mayor, there is a good opportunity tomorrow lunchtime. I

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will be taking the debate to the city centre and looking for people

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who wish to put questions towards both the yes and No campaigns. If

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he still need to make up your mind, it make a worthwhile coming along.

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