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In the north-east: Tributes to Middlesbrough MP it's a Stewart. | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
And we get face-to-face with the candidates who want to be the new | :01:46. | :01:56. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 369 seconds | :01:56. | :08:06. | |
They have been fewer robberies in most of the region. In Durham, the | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
figures dropped by 19% and went up by 2% in Northumbria. There is a | :08:11. | :08:21. | |
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mixed picture on car crime. Overall, crime figures are improving. There | :08:23. | :08:33. | |
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is a continual demand for more on the streets. It is an issue | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
everywhere the police crime commission has have to work very | :08:39. | :08:47. | |
closely with police. There is a massive challenge for all five | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
people to become police crime commission has in our region. They | :08:51. | :08:58. | |
will have to cut crime would less money and few offices. Office | :08:58. | :09:08. | |
numbers are expected to fall by 7% in Cumbria. One other major issue, | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
because all our police forces budgets are being squeezed. Cleadon | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
needs to save �14.2 million by 2015. Yorkshire needs a �28 million | :09:19. | :09:27. | |
saving. It is a real challenge they are facing. Each police and crime | :09:27. | :09:34. | |
commission will have their own approach. The row -- the worry for | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
as is that a lot of money may be put into preventative measures, but | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
we have to make sure victims of crime and not forgotten. We want to | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
make sure that it is still important to provide those police | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
services. The sheer size of the areas they have to cut but is a | :09:53. | :10:00. | |
problem. Durham police have don't find crime in cities and rural | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
areas. Police crime commission has have to know the levels of problems | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
they are dealing with, so to ensure they have the accurate figures. Yes, | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
there are more people living in towns, but guess what? They like | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
going to the countryside. Unless we tackle crime in the countryside | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
will not be an attractive place. you would like to find out more | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
about the police and crime commission her collections in the | :10:26. | :10:36. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 369 seconds | :10:36. | :39:57. | |
Hello, and a very warm welcome to your local part of the show just | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
for the North East and Cumbria. Coming up: Victims of crime on | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
Teesside put their views to the politicians who want to be be | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
Cleveland's new police commissioner. And we talk to Middlesbrough mayor | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
Ray Mallon about his intentions following the death of Sir Stuart | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
Bell. My guests this week: Sunderland Labour MP Julie Elliott | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
and Conservative Lord, Michael Bates. And the papers have been | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
full of the chancellor mistakenly perhaps travelling first class on a | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
second class ticket. But there also seems to be a loophole allowing | :40:25. | :40:34. | |
some of our MPs to travel first class frequently. Julie Elliott, is | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
it justifiable for MPs to travel first class on expenses? I think if | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
you get a ticket less than the cost of standard class, yes, it is. That | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
is within the transparent, open rules. I suppose less than standard | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
class, we are talking about the top standard class fare? Which is what | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
we have to pay if the changes are made and we have to buy a ticket on | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
the day of travel. Often, if you book a day in advance, you can get | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
a first-class ticket cheaper than a standard class, because they are | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
less popular. So it is swings and roundabouts. I do think the | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
Telegraph is trying to make a story out of something that isn't there. | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
Michael Bates, the problem it is related to what has happened in the | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
past. Do you think it is justifiable? Well, the rules were | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
changed in 2009. For parliamentarians, sometimes you get | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
a clamour, a change in the rules, people abide by the rules and then | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
there is an instant like a George Osborne and people want to change | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
the rules again. If people want to say no first class under any | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
circumstances, most MPs would say, fine. The roles are there at the | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
moment. It is strange at this time that the Chancellor of the | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
Exchequer is berated for travelling first class when his civil servants | :41:58. | :42:08. | |
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would trouble in first class. Let's be sensible. -- would travel. | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
Now - have you been unfortunate enough to have your house burgled | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
or your car stolen? Well, when the new police and crime commissioners | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
start work in 2014, they will be responsible not just for setting | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
priorities for policing - but also for looking after victims of crime. | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
So how will those standing for election next month put that into | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
practice? To find out, we invited three of the candidates standing in | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
Cleveland to meet some of those whose lives have been affected by | :42:30. | :42:37. | |
crime. How will they faced a grilling by those they will be | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
charged with protecting? Ron has had two petrol-bomb attacks on his | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
home. To date, nobody has been prosecuted. My family have been | :42:48. | :42:54. | |
tortured but 10 years with very little help from the agencies. I | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
want to know what you would do for victims, because victims get a very | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
broad deal. As a commissioner, I would not accept that continuing. | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
OK, it is the chief constable's responsibility to prevent it | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
happening, but we have to take action to stop that. We need to | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
stop looking at crime figures as figures and look at victim figures. | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
If you change, for example, 41,000 times for -- crimes into victims, | :43:26. | :43:33. | |
that changes your focal point. will be up there with the police on | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
the streets, I will make sure we will work together to tackle the | :43:36. | :43:45. | |
problems. We will make the criminals not vulnerable minority. | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
Next, Wendy. She suffered years of domestic violence and now runs a | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
charity, but is struggling. funding is gone. Where do we get | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
the money to keep these services going? Domestic violence is not | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
going anywhere. We've made progress recently and it would be wrong if | :44:03. | :44:10. | |
that progress was eroded because of lack of funds. The commission a's | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
role is primarily about listening to the community and providing what | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
the community needs. You mentioned earlier at the back to you that a | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
lot of enthusiastic volunteers. I think we need to capitalise on that. | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
She is from a community group in South Bank. Its offices were burnt | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
down by vandals. They have new offices now that crime is still a | :44:34. | :44:41. | |
problem. One of the big issues is the apathy in our community. There | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
is a serious under-reporting of crime. It takes far too long to | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
ring up and make that call. As far as I'm concerned, any victim of | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
crime it must get a police officer visit, and I would make sure that | :44:55. | :45:04. | |
happens. If presence is required by a police officer, it should be done, | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
within a day or the hour. I think we should make it easier for | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
victims to report incidents. candidates also faced problems on | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
drugs and help the young people. But in the end, were their | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
inquisitors convinced they could make a difference? If the police | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
couldn't do it, I cannot see one person making a difference. It is | :45:27. | :45:36. | |
more American-style. I wish we had the sentences that America does. | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
just wonder whether they realise how bad the communities are. Often, | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
people standing for these jobs do not live in what I call the inner- | :45:45. | :45:50. | |
city areas where all the deprivation is. I think as long as | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
the people and the voices of the people get bored into the role | :45:54. | :46:01. | |
itself, then that person will be successful. -- brought into the | :46:01. | :46:11. | |
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role. The election is on November 15th. Michael Bates, you read some | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
scepticism there. Why should we believe that one individual over a | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
big area can make a difference to victims of crime? At the moment, | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
there are 17 people on the police authority. People will struggle to | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
remember the names of any of them. People don't know where to go to | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
contact somebody with their real concerns. The very fact we are | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
having a debate here with people who are supposed to be protected by | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
the police talking about policing in their area would people who will | :46:40. | :46:47. | |
now have the power to hire and fire the chief constable and set the | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
level of spending in their area is surely an advance. Those people | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
will be held to account for what they do or don't do by the people | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
that they serve. That has to be a step forward. But they're not going | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
to be able to secure a stiffer sentences, for instance. Is this | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
raising expectations they cannot meet? There are two points to it. | :47:08. | :47:14. | |
The Prime Minister has made an announcement on the sentencing side. | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
Victims of crime be a commissioner can do something to make things | :47:17. | :47:24. | |
tough that the criminals. Can they? It is about making somebody visibly | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
accountable for policing in a given area, so there is it a go to person | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
who is accountable through the ballot box. I think that chimes | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
with what a lot of people want, and as time goes on, we will see those | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
roles will be taken more and more seriously. Julie Elliott, Labour | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
did not support the idea of police commissioners but they are saying | :47:46. | :47:55. | |
they can make a difference to the role now. I think it very -- I | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
think it is a hugely costly exercise. But seeing as we're here | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
now, I think there is an opportunity, because, as Michael | :48:02. | :48:09. | |
said, they are a focal point. They will engage with communities to try | :48:09. | :48:14. | |
and probably enhance what we have already. Northumbria, I do think we | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
have a good liaison between the Community and the police. Crime | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
figures are falling, so how can they do better? The figures out to | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
the minute of falling as a result of Labour policies. It will be | :48:26. | :48:32. | |
interesting to see what happens in a few years. The problem is, | :48:32. | :48:38. | |
candidates will be tempted to talks tough about getting people off the | :48:38. | :48:46. | |
street, when the reality is that people are safer. I think crime | :48:46. | :48:56. | |
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novels are falling. But -- levels are falling. I think people need to | :48:59. | :49:09. | |
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address the fact that people are not so afraid anymore. There are | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
people who are not from traditional party political backgrounds | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
standing as candidates, that has to be welcomed. The fact they will be | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
directly responsible, working with the chief constables, is going to | :49:22. | :49:28. | |
make a difference on the streets. What is this concern about stoking | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
beer on crime? All politicians have to take this responsibility. When | :49:32. | :49:40. | |
you hear candidate saying they will be out on the streets? Really | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
sticky, you cannot be out with 1.1 million people all the time. But | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
you can set up structures that engage more with the general | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
population. But to stoke up via is a dangerous thing and I don't think | :49:52. | :50:02. | |
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anybody should be doing that. -- stoke up fear. | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
You can find out who is standing in your police force area on the BBC | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
website. Just go to bbc.co.uk/policeelections. And in | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
addition to the three Cleveland candidates shown in our film, Joe | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
Michna from the Green Party is also standing, but was unable to make it | :50:15. | :50:22. | |
to the recording. Now to Sir Stuart Bell, who died | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
last weekend at the age of 74. Sir Stuart was the MP for Middlesbrough | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
for 29 years and often a controversial figure. Fergus | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
Hewison has been looking back at his long and varied career - | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
including some lively moments in this very studio. | :50:40. | :50:46. | |
This week, the House of Commons paid tribute. His depth was | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
incredibly sudden. The condolences of this side of the House go to his | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
family. The son of a miner, he became a successful barrister, | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
working in France before returning to the UK to enter Parliament and a | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
present Middlesbrough. There, he defended families wrongly accused | :51:03. | :51:09. | |
of abusing their children. children can now get on with their | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
lives. They lost their innocence in this crisis and some of their | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
childhood, they have suffered enormous pressures. They have never | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
been able to recover. We later, he famously clashed with the man | :51:21. | :51:28. | |
seeking to be elected mayor, Ray Mallon. He is trying to kill me up. | :51:28. | :51:37. | |
I have news - I will not be intimidated. If Ray Mallon is | :51:37. | :51:46. | |
elected mayor, it is you like that. You would have to resign. No, no. | :51:46. | :51:52. | |
After that, they made up. remember that particular argument | :51:52. | :51:58. | |
extremely well. But what have to say is, from the day I was elected | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
from the mayor, our relationship was perfect. There were still | :52:05. | :52:12. | |
controversy lurking in the shape of MP's expenses. Stuart Bell stuck to | :52:12. | :52:22. | |
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his guns. Do you agree that MPs who claimed more than that amount are | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
excessive? The this is not a matter of the need. They were entitled to | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
claim what they claimed. Then there was a revelation last year that he | :52:31. | :52:36. | |
has not held a surgery in his constituency since 1997. He held | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
back, saying he had not made one since being attacked at one. But he | :52:41. | :52:47. | |
was dubbed Britain's laziest MP. is totally untrue. We work seven | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
days a week and we have done that the 30 years. We've been re-elected | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
seven times, we have had seven mandates from the people of | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
Middlesbrough. His funeral will be on October 27th. A by-election will | :53:00. | :53:08. | |
take place in his seat, usually a safe one for Labour. I want to | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
protect the interest of Middlesbrough. Therefore, I want to | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
see an outstanding Member of Parliament bought into place for | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
this town. I intend to be the candidate list. If I don't believe | :53:19. | :53:27. | |
that candidate list is high quality, I will intervene. I will stand, it | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
is as simple as that. Ray Mallon could be a man to watch over the | :53:33. | :53:40. | |
next few weeks. Michael Bates, what do you remember about Stuart Bell? | :53:40. | :53:46. | |
He had these two images and lives. One was how he was eat in the | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
constituency. But in Parliament committee was huge. A very popular | :53:49. | :53:59. | |
figure. -- in Parliament, he was huge. He was always around with a | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
smile. And also what I admired about him was, when we talk about | :54:03. | :54:09. | |
social mobility, he was the son of a minor who went off, trained as a | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
lawyer, an international barrister, then came back to the House of | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
Lords and served with distinction. So lots of positives out of the | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
great live well it. Julie Elliott, he did become a contentious figure. | :54:22. | :54:28. | |
Did the good out whether that? course it did. He was a very large | :54:28. | :54:38. | |
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beget. -- did a good away the bad? -- did the good outweigh the bad? | :54:50. | :55:00. | |
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He will be missed. He was a very big figure in Parliament. One of | :55:01. | :55:06. | |
the MPs said that Ray Mallon was a bit disrespectful. What do you | :55:06. | :55:11. | |
think? A I think people should wait until after the funeral to comment. | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
Anybody is entitled to stand for Parliament, but they should let the | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
dust settle before the process takes place. | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
Now, national politicians are sometimes accused of ignoring the | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
north. That's not a charge you can level at Nick Clegg. His visits to | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
the North East are becoming almost routine - and he was back again on | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
Friday. Here's Mark Denten with that and all the rest of the week's | :55:32. | :55:42. | |
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The Deputy PM had the latest visit. More good economic news - | :55:48. | :55:51. | |
unemployment in the north-east is down and, below 10% for the first | :55:51. | :55:57. | |
time since 2010. It is still highest in the UK. Alan Milburn | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
says universities need to do more to recruit students from poorer | :56:01. | :56:06. | |
backgrounds. Based should take some of that money and applied to kids | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
who are studying in disadvantaged schools in hard-pressed areas, to | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
give them a financial incentive. Plans to abolish the Agricultural | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
wages Board have been condemned. The board is the most effective way | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
to insure that regional part-time young and full-time employees in | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
the farming industry and not exploited. And the see that Tony | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
Blair represented - said field could disappear off the political | :56:32. | :56:42. | |
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Mark Denten. Well, the North East has one of the worst records in | :56:44. | :56:46. | |
getting youngsters from poorer backgrounds into university. And | :56:46. | :56:54. | |
that report by Alan Milburn aims to turn that around. His idea of | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
universities paying grants to encourage students to stay on at A- | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
level, could it make a difference? I think you need a combination of | :57:00. | :57:08. | |
things. I think they are being stopped in education at 16 at the | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
moment. So years focused on the right issue, but universities don't | :57:11. | :57:18. | |
have the capacity to fund it. trying to solve the problem your | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
government has created by getting rid of educational maintenance. | :57:24. | :57:32. | |
think even Alan Milburn wouldn't say Conservatives created it. | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
Education grants were claimed for by up to 40% of students. We're | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
making sure it is focused on those with free school meals. That is the | :57:41. | :57:47. | |
area we need to focus on. We need to be sure we get advancement for | :57:47. | :57:53. | |
the poorest in our society. Where we need to start, and where Alan | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
Milburn the mentioned in his report, we need to raise standards at | :57:56. | :58:04. | |
school level at A-levels. I think we are seeing now with our new | :58:04. | :58:14. | |
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systems of education. One of the other ideas is to give students | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
from poorer backgrounds low offers to get into university. Would he be | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
comfortable with that sort of discrimination? Personally, I | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
wouldn't. I think we should be raising the standards for students | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
at the bottom, not lowering the bar at the top. That is where we need | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
to focus our efforts. So why would not be in favour of that. Many | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
universities do a fantastic job to reach out to their community and | :58:40. | :58:44. | |
get people into higher education. Julie Elliott, is that an idea to | :58:44. | :58:50. | |
help poor students? I don't think we need positive discrimination. I | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
think we need a broader look at what we need to get to university. | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
It should not be focused entirely on the grades you get at A-level. I | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
think a broader into the process and looking at people's ability | :59:02. | :59:07. | |
looking forward would be much fairer. Alan Milburn did not | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
mention cutting fees in this. He obviously does not believe it is a | :59:11. | :59:15. | |
big disincentive for students. is a massive disincentive. This | :59:15. | :59:22. | |
year, the numbers have fallen this year. People who have gone to | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
university this year were already in the process, the A-level process, | :59:25. | :59:34. | |
when that these changed. And that's about all from us. We're | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
back next Sunday at 11.00am, when my guests will include the MPs for | :59:38. | :59:40. |