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You are watching the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over 20

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minutes, we will have more Hello and welcome to Sunday Politics

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in Northern Ireland. As the results of the unregulated transfer tests

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are published, we ask is there any prospect of political agreement on

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how children move from primary to secondary education? I think by

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changing they have made it a more complicated and more stressful for

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children. It is too much pressure on them. Parents are getting themselves

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worked up about it and I see the children getting worked up. Also,

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the Shankill's secret republican link to the Spanish Civil War. What

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other surprises has our history got in store as the big centenaries

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loom? And with me throughout, with their thoughts, the commentator,

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Patricia McBride, and the newspaper editor, Jim Flanagan... Yesterday

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was a red letter day for thousands of Primary 7 children in Northern

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Ireland as the results of the transfer tests were published. It's

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the fifth year of the unregulated transfer procedure and an agreed

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transfer mechanism seems as far off as ever. Meanwhile, the BBC has

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learned that the parents of Primary 6 pupils will receive a leaflet

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advising them to report any school that's preparing children for the

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tests. With me now are the DUP's Mervyn Storey, who chairs Stormont's

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Education Committee, and Sinn Fein's Chris Hazzard, who sits on the

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committee... Welcome to the programme. How concerned are you at

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this latest turn of events with this publication that Primary 6 pupils

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are getting repaired? The Department and the Minister or not facing up to

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realities and using the circumstances of the situation to

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create more uncertainty and more concerned. The facts are simple. The

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majority of parents still choosing to have an unregulated system. It is

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not ideal and there needs to be an agreement as to how we move forward,

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but in the absence of their being an agreed position, organisations have

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stepped into the frame and provided a process whereby the transition

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from primary to post primary can still continue to be based on

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academic assessment and I think that we need to have that as a debate. If

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we look at what happened in England when they allegedly moved away from

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transfer, it ended up becoming a system that was based on social

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issues, the price of houses, how wealthy your parents were, as

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opposed to the real core issue which is about ensuring transfers on the

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basis of educational merit. I want to talk to you about this booklet.

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Chris Hazzard. This booklet that the department's sending out to parents

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is an attempt to 'up the ante', presumably? I did not think so. They

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are guidelines which have been set down for transfer. We have a

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situation where there is a common curriculum. Every school teaches the

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exact same curriculum. You could have a selective grammar school

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teaching its children one curriculum and across the road they are doing

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exactly the same thing. We have the same curriculum, there is no need to

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go through the transfer process. Some pupils may choose one school

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over another and you have to find a way of determining which killed a go

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too. Because a parent is forced to put their child through an exam, it

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is not the same as indoor CNET. I think the leaders of the schools

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have to face the music. They need to explain the rationale for selective

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tests. We have the common curriculum, there is no need for

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selection. What is the reason? We have lots of grammar schools which

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are effectively comprehensives -- comprehensives. It is called

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parental choice. It is not lots of grammar schools, it is a small

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number. Parents were told by the then Education Minister that going

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down this road would be a legal minefield. She was wrong and she

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ended up in court. Parents make choices. Those choices are about

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ensuring that they have the ability and the right to choose a school

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which they believe is appropriate for their child. Do I believe that

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it is grammar schools that are given a good education? That is not the

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case. That is what it looks like to a lot of people. It is about

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parental choice. Parents choose to have their children educated in

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Catholic schools, that is their choice. This is not a sectarian

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debate. The Catholic bishops have failed miserably to convince the

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majority of Catholic grammar schools to move away from using academic

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criteria. What is wrong with parental choice? It is not about

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parental choice. He has demonstrated the complete failure of unionism to

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tackle this. They have failed to name one benefit to this exam. There

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are none. These schools, they cannot name one single educational

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benefit. We have three Executive parties who are opposed to this.

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This is not the Sinn Fein ideal. We have the trade union movement

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opposed, we have the OECD and a growing number of Protestant

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elements speaking against this. The Catholic bishops have said they are

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opposed to selection. The Catholic principals are still in this. They

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are calling for a harder line to implement this. In the meantime, the

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principles of many Catholic grammar schools are not heeding what the

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bishops say is the policy of the Catholic Church. They have to stand

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up and say that this is the Russell Mall. They are failing to do that.

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-- rationale. Why would you deny the privilege that you have to other

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parents? You said it was elitism. You were able to value and benefit

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as a result of having that education, but now you take the

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position that somehow it is unfair for other parents and other young

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people to have that. You said it is not about choosing the school, you

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are making the argument for grammar schools. We get into the position

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that there is a contradiction in that it is wrong to select according

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to Chris and others children at 11 on the basis of the test, but when

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it comes, the same cue ball and they are 16, the test that we set for

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that child and the test we set for the school is that the school must

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have five GCSEs at the top grade and if they do not attain that, Chris's

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Minister sends in the Inspectorate on the basis and that school is

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deemed to be a failure. If it is a common curriculum, name one benefit

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of attending a grammar school over a secondary school, where the teaching

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of the same subjects is the same, why should we continue to have

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grammar schools? Parents have the right to make that choice. Wider

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they want to choose that? -- why do they want. I had a different

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provision in my area. My daughter was given in one school of very good

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opportunity. I believe that was right that I have that opportunity.

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Was it a gender issue? It can be. We are going to have grammar schools in

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the future, they will not go away. We need to have a discussion around

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how we make the transition from primary to post primary as seamless

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as possible. Do you accept that grammar schools will not go away? I

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accept that. I went to a grammar school. The question is about

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admittance. I want all children to have the chance to go to a grammar

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school, not a select school. Here is a question, what is a grammar school

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in 2014 when the teacher exactly the same curriculum as other schools? --

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when they teach. We make a fallacy that we believe that all our

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children are identical, they are different. It is a one size fits all

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tests. GCSEs are the same. There are young people who will not attain the

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top grades, but yet they will be successful in a school which is best

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suited to meet their educational needs. Thank you. Thank you both.

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And joining us to discuss that are the editor of the Ballymena

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Guardian, Jim Flanagan, and the commentator, Patricia MacBride.

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There is no great meeting of minds. What do you think the way forward

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needs to be? The grammar schools have done a fabulous public

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relations job by creating this scenario that the children are going

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to get a better education because they go to a grammar school, when in

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reality they will learn the same curriculum as at a mentor named

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school. The issue around the transfer test, what we are doing

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with children, we are not selecting them, we are teaching them how to do

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a test -- maintained school. It is not a true measure of their academic

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ability. I am a fan of completely integrated education. Integrating in

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terms of children of all faiths. We are a long way from that. That is

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real life. That is what we need to prepare people for. The life they

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will face when they go out into the workplace, when they meet people

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from all faiths and of all levels of intelligence. Let us truly integrate

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that. There is political paralysis over this. Parents are exasperated.

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They would like our politicians to sort this out. Parents vote with

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their feet and you cannot get away from the fact that by and large,

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academic testing exists because there is support for it. If they did

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not want their children to do it, they would not be there. All we get

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is an agreement to disagree. All sides in this debate seem wedded to

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their positions. We are not going anywhere. Next year, every child

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doing GCSEs will set the unregulated tests. We have a whole generation of

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children at the grammar school and doing that, . We have talked about

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the problems, what needs to happen to move us forward so there is some

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kind of political agreement on where we go from here? We now have a

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document and advising parents on the processes. We see thousands of

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children transferring from primary to post primary without the stress

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of a test. We need to see those small minority of schools who

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implement this test to tell us why. They educate 43% of the school

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population. They have to be taken into the equation. We need a proper

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discussion with the threats are removed, such as the guidance from

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the department where people can have a discussion about the seamless

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transition based on educational values, not on political ideology.

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It will be intriguing to see how things unfold. Thank you both for

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now. In a moment, the connection between Belfast's Shankill Road and

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the Spanish Civil War, but first, a look back at the politics of the

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last week in sixty seconds, with Gareth Gordon... The row over the

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appointment of a new chief constable rumbles on with the Justice Minister

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sensing a plot. It looks like it is more to do with the party that the

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Minister comes from and the significance of the decision. They

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have it in from the Alliance Party? You could believe this. He opened a

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door that should have been kept closed. Once he opened that door a

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little bit, then the DUP and Sinn Fein came charging through. A fiery

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Stormont committee, an academic and the DUP fell out over an e-mail.

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Your opposition to this clause is more because of your prejudices

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against the DUP. It is nothing of the sort. At the play they could not

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ban, it proves there is no such thing as bad publicity. Because of

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this, we sold out. I do not like being told what I can go to and what

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I cannot go to. Garth Gordon reporting. Yesterday in the loyalist

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heartland of Belfast's Shankill Road, a plaque was unveiled in

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honour of seven men from the area who fought for the International

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Brigade against fascism in the Spanish Civil War. While it's well

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known that men from nationalist areas of the city volunteered to

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travel to Spain and confront Franco's forces, the story of these

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men has gone largely untold. As we enter a period when centenaries of

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major events like the outbreak of the First World War, the Easter

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Rising and the Somme will be marked, could we discover more surprises

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about our divided past? Joining me now is the community worker Jackie

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Redpath who was at yesterday's ceremony on the Shankill, and the

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historian Eamon Phoenix... Thank you for joining us. Jackie, what impact

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has this story, which has apparently been hidden, had on the Shankill? It

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has not been known. It is beginning to come out. It is having a

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significant impact. The Shankill seven as they are now being called,

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their names were not known, apart from Harry McGrath because he has

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two nephews still living in the area. As a result, the International

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Brigades Commemoration Committee have uncovered the other six people.

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It has struck a chord with people. The library in the Shankill was

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packed. These men stepped up to the mark and went out. I called them the

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few who went out to fight fascism. They were followed by the many in

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the Second World War. It is important that we recognise them.

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Whether they were head and we did not know about it, it does not

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matter, the point is, this was a surprise to you. I knew men from

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both traditions had fought in the Spanish Civil War. The Protestant

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rector in the area was killed, other men from County Tyrone and the Falls

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Road as well. People are recovering radical elements of the past. This

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was very important. This was when fascism corrupted and it all opposed

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democracy in Spain. Those men from Britain and America joined the

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International Brigades and fought against fascism. It is important it

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is remembered. People from a national background would have been

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known to have fought for the International Brigades, but it is

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worth making the point that there were Irish men fighting for Franco.

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Socialists and republicans fought against Franco. You had about 500

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men who went to fight for what they thought was a Catholic Crusade. They

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did not last long. These men are being remembered. It recalls along

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Protestant socialist tradition in working-class parts of Belfast until

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the troubles. -- Troubles. That is an interesting point. We need to

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recognise our history. It is important we do that. There has

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always been that radical tradition in east Belfast and the Shankill

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because it is about issues like you were talking about earlier, about

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families. That is what concerns people. It is important that we

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recognise the past, but more important that we learn from it.

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What about the challenge of the other centenary is? That will be a

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big issue. You are on the advisory panel for the Taoiseach. We have got

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the Easter Rising, the Somme, plenty of room for controversy. This has

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been handled well by community relations and local community

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groups. We had a great series of lectures in Belfast remembering the

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past. They have brought in principles which are being reflected

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across the country in local events, drama has been introduced, a play on

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the Somme. Sticking to the facts, looking at various perspectives and

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there are surprises. We have the East Belfast loyalist who witnessed

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the Easter Rising and kept a Gary. Things like this are cropping up.

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They open them up to both communities -- kept a diary.

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Centenary is have already taken place. -- centenary is. 30,000

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people, 10,000 people involved. These have been done well. I do not

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see why that cannot be repeated. In the last few months, the UVF and the

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Irish volunteers have been working together. That can happen. The

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important thing is to remember, but learn. Jackie Redpath and Eamon

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Phoenix thank you. Let's hear the final thoughts of my guests of the

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day - Patricia McBride and Jim Flanagan... You have spent a lot of

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time thinking about the past and how we deal with it. What was your view

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of the commemoration on the Shankill yesterday? There was a very worthy

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acknowledgement of the sacrifice of citizens of the Shankill community

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who fought against fascism. Were I would like to see that go is to

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perhaps look at that definition of republicanism. These were men who

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fought on the republican side in the Spanish Civil War. It creates a

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space to debate the nature of republicanism outside of an Irish

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context. That could be something about learning from the past. We

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look at the nature of what that means and how it has impacted on

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communities, so it is a wider debate. Moving forward over the next

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ten years or so, as we look at the nature of what that means and how it

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has impacted on communities, so it is a wider debate. Moving forward

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over the next ten years or so, as the market these events, we have

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this opportunity to re-examine the history of the past in a

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multidimensional way. Is this an interesting and important

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contribution? The common to nominate is respect for the past. We need to

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learn from our past. It takes an independently minded person to go

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against what is perceived as the norm and fight for the other side,

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as people would see it. Sometimes it is at great personal cost for

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people. I think the key point is that we learn from the past and so

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far, the commemorations have been held in a respectful fashion. I want

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to touch on one thing. It is relevant. We had George Chittick

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saying yesterday a word of warning to Protestants who go to learn

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Irish, it is part of the republican agenda, that does not tie in with

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what you were talking about. I think that he might need to re-examine the

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history of his own organisation and look more deeply into the use of the

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Irish language by his predecessor and continuing use on banners. What

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do you think? Certain people did raise their eyebrows over those

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remarks. There are banners with Irish on them. He needs to go and

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put a bit of context to the whole thing. Thank you. That is it from

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ours. Back to Not a complete denial! Hopefully a

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Conservative mayor again. Not a good week for David Cameron on

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the tricky European front last week. President Hollande said he was not

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interested in major treaty reform for 2017. That is when Mr Cameron

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hopes to hold his in-out referendum. And the private member's bill to put

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that referendum on the statute bill was killed by Labour and Lib Dem

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peers in the Lords. James Wharton was the Tory MP behind the bill, and

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he joins me now. What happens now? It is out of my hands what happens

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now, because Labour and the Liberal Democrats conspired in the Lords to

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kill off my bill. One of the options is for another private member to

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bring a bill forward when they have the next private member's bill at,

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and we can try again. The prime minister has indicated that he will

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support that. But whatever happens, it will be in the Conservative

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manifesto at the next election. Do you accept that cost this is Tory

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policy and not government policy that the government policy elite

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macro cannot bring forward a bill? That is the problem. The Liberal

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Democrats, despite having promised a referendum in their manifesto at the

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last election, now will not allow government time for a bill to

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enshrine that in law. That was why I brought it forward as a private

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member's bill. David Cameron and the Conservative Party through

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everything behind that. To many people's surprise, we got it through

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all the House of Commons stages. Sadly, to their discredit, Labour

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and Liberal Democrat peers, doing the bidding of their masters in the

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Commons, is conspired to kill it. Do you accept that it is Conservative

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policy, but not government policy, that you could not use the

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Parliament act to get this through the Lords? That is not the case. The

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Parliament act is clear that if a public bill passes through the House

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of Commons twice in one Parliamentary period, there is a

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certain amount of time that has to be between both bills being

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presented. There are some procedural steps to be overcome, but there is

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no legal reason why the Parliament act could not come into effect. I

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was talking about you not having a majority in this case. That remains

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to be seen. We saw previously that Labour and the Liberal Democrats

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sent enough people to frustrate its progress to make it as difficult as

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possible, but not huge numbers to vote against it. On a Friday, huge

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numbers of MPs do not attend normally. Getting that number might

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prove difficult. The Parliament act, which is a bit of an atomic bomb in

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constitutional terms, if that was used, they would turn up to vote

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against you. Is it not the case that after the countryside Alliance tried

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to involve the courts in the hunting ban that it was made clear that the

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Parliament act was not to be used for constitutional issues? I don't

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think we know how many would turn up and we don't know how they would

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vote. One of the things that has been revealed as I have gone through

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the process of getting this bill to get a referendum through the Commons

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is that there are big splits in the Labour Party. One of the reasons we

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did not see them turning up in large numbers to stop this bill from

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happening was that Ed Miliband knew that if he tried to lead his own MPs

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through the lobbies to block a bill, the only purpose of which is

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to let Britain decides to give people a say on membership of the

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union, a lot of his MPs may not have followed him. It is all fantasy

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politics anyway. The French president has made clear that he has

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no interest in treaty change this side of 2017. He would need a

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referendum as well . And he needs that like a hole and had. Merkel is

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not keen, as she is in coalition with the social Democrats. Without

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the French or the Germans, it will not happen, end of story. The policy

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is that we will try to negotiate on getting a better deal. I hear what

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you are saying, but I don't recognise it as reality. We have a

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strong bargaining position. But whatever the result of that

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negotiation, it will be put in an in-out vote to the Britain people.

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It is time people were allowed to decide. It has been over a

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generation since we last had a say. David Cameron has committed to

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delivering that referendum. The Conservative Party will have it in

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our next manifesto for the election. Whatever happens to my bill or any

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other of the bill that comes forward. If people want a

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referendum, the only party that can deliver that in British politics is

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the Conservatives. Let me bring the panel in. Nick, where is this going?

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It is clear to me and anyone who follows European politics that there

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is no appetite for major treaty change in the short run,

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particularly for the kind of major changes that Vista Cameron says he

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is going to get, and yet the Tories are talking about Europe again when

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they should be talking about the economy. And Francois Hollande is

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looking at 2017, the year we are meant to have this referendum. There

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will be a French presidential election going on, and Nicolas

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Sarkozy will be back in play by then. But James has an interesting

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point, which is that it is down to Angela Merkel. She would be more

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receptive to David Cameron's ideas of reform than people assume. She

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has looked over the edge at a Europe without the UK and said, that is not

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acceptable, and I am willing to pay a price, not any price, but a price

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to keep the UK in the European Union. And the French, because the

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UK and France are the only serious military powers in Europe, will

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eventually come to that position. So there is more support for David

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Cameron than people assume. The French are also not a strong

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position in terms of the euro and French economy. The Foreign Office

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seem a bit more optimistic about it. Of course they are. Douglas Hurd

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once told me, we are winning the arguments on the single currency. Of

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course anything from the Foreign Office comes with a health warning,

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but if David Cameron had won a majority and was determined to

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renegotiate, he is in a strong position with Merkel. There is a

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possibility that the French could eventually be talked around. So it

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is not entirely bleak on that front for Cameron. When do the Tory party

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managers say, look, stop banging on about Europe again? The economy is

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going away. We still have an electoral mountain to climb. Let's

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just talk about that and not be divided. They should have done that

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some time ago. It is already too late. The Tories need a seven point

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lead in the polls to get image are tea. The way things are, that would

:30:18.:30:22.

require a huge change from where we are now . It is very unlikely to

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happen. So all this is happening in some bizarre imaginary space with

:30:27.:30:34.

wonderful rainbows and sunshine. But we can detect the beginnings of a

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shift in the last couple of weeks. If you talk to Tory backbenchers,

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Douglas Carswell is now saying in public that it is time to stop the

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fighting. If they are to get even close to winning the election, they

:30:51.:30:57.

can't do it if they are all against each other. I don't think it is an

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imaginary space. It is likely that David Cameron will have the largest

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party in the election. If it is a hung parliament and it is the

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Liberal Democrats and the Conservative Party, David Cameron

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will save to Nick Clegg we gave you an AV referendum, I am having this

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referendum. And it will be difficult for Nick to say no. Let me go back

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to Mr Wharton. You are going to get a referendum in the manifesto. Other

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than Ken Clarke, everybody wants it. So why don't you just banked that

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and get behind the leadership Institute causing endless problems

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and coming across as a Europe accessed, divided party? I am

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absolutely behind the leadership. David Cameron announced the policy I

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am trying to bring forward in this bill. It is in line with the speech

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he gave this time last year. But getting that commitment into law

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will help to kick-start the negotiation process and mean

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everyone will know where we stand. But whatever happens, the

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Conservatives are committed to delivering a referendum. And to

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address the point that we talk about Europe too much, that is not the

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case. We have a good message on the economy, on tackling immigration and

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reforming welfare. There is more to do, but this is also an important

:32:22.:32:28.

part of policy. But at a time when the economic news seems to be

:32:29.:32:33.

turning in your direction, you are talking about the European

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referendum. Your backbench colleagues are trying to change the

:32:38.:32:41.

Immigration Bill every which way. Dominic Rather is putting in an

:32:42.:32:45.

amendment is and Mr Nigel Mills has been on this programme, putting in

:32:46.:32:51.

amendments that are clearly illegal. How is that helpful? The fact is

:32:52.:32:55.

that we are in a coalition, so there are areas of policy where

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Conservatives might want to go further and we are not able to do

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that. In other areas, we are delivering good reforms. But this is

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not a matter of going further. The mill 's amendment was clearly a

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contravention of the Treaty of Rome. That is where you get the headlines

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from. Some of your colleagues have a death wish? Would they rather have a

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Miliband government if the choice is an impure Cameron one instead? I

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don't think anyone in their right mind would rather have a Miliband

:33:30.:33:33.

government. Then why are they behaving that way? We have had some

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disagreements into the leak and debate within the party, but it was

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talked about on the panel just now. The Conservative Party is behind

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David Cameron and focused on winning the next election. Europe is one

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part of that. We have policies in a range of areas, but we are getting

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back on range of areas, but we are getting

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back on the right track. Thank you for being patient with us.

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Is this ghost story going to go somewhere? Mr Laws is talking

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through surrogates at the moment, but there is a strategy by the Lib

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Dems make these differential points now. I think it is fantastic

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coalition sports and entertaining, but in terms of out there, it has

:34:22.:34:25.

almost no traction whatsoever. I don't think any voters know who

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Baroness Morgan is and it sounds like one but politicians shouting at

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another bunch of politicians about their ability to give each other

:34:33.:34:37.

jobs. There is a larger point about the way Michael Gove runs his

:34:38.:34:42.

government. He is notoriously a very polite man surrounded by Rottweiler

:34:43.:34:46.

is, his advisers. He has made enemies of a lot of people in the

:34:47.:34:49.

media, and some of that will come back on him in the next 18 months.

:34:50.:34:54.

We shall see if Mr Laws himself sticks his head above the parapet.

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That is it for this week. The Daily Politics is on throughout the week

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