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a great opportunity to showcase Fermanagh or an unwanted intrusion


by leaders who represent big business? We'll ask the Sinn Fein MP


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for the area what she thinks. Join to go before the leaders of the


world 's eight richest countries arrive in Fermanagh for a two-day


summit, while the G8 be a great opportunity to showcase the county


or an unwanted intrusion by breeders who some say only represent big


business. As thousands gather in London to demand local leaders to do


more to end world hunger, we hear from Concern and Christian Aid.


And while the newest little party shake-up the status quo in politics?


I speak to Jane Morrice and Sam McBride.


When it was announced last November that the G8 summit was to be held in


Fermanagh, the First Minister and Deputy First Minister opted not to


publish a joint statement. Some saw that as being a significant


surprise. The did not sit well with Sinn Fein is a economic agenda? Is


Sinn Fein caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to


welcoming the leaders of the world 's eighth richest nations? Sinn Fein


MP for Fermanagh Michelle joins me now. Thank you for joining us. You


are the MP for the area. Has this been a tricky issue for you to


navigate? I do not think so. We would also is welcome investment and


tourism into Fermanagh. From that point of view the G8 as a positive.


I think we have been over the course of the last year since it was


announced that the G8 was coming, we have seen different spends being put


on the G8. We saw hugely inflated figures for the economic benefit.


When you look at what happened in Scotland the economic benefit has so


far not been that impressive. There is a short-term benefit, a lot of


businesses are doing well this week and next week at some businesses are


certainly struggling, even tourism businesses which do not have a foot


on the G8 ladder and they are not getting their usual customers, never


mind a boost from the G8. That must be taken into consideration. Some


have talked about a boost of hundreds of millions for the local


economy. Your party colleague, they get the chair of the trade and


investment committee at Stormont, Phil Flanagan, he has said that


since the announcement was made we have been forced to listen to one


ridiculous claim after another. Throughout the process he has been


outspoken and critical of the event it seems to a lot of people and to


some of the claims that have been made. Do you agree with him or is


there a difference? I think he has a point. Being on that committee he


has access to information and has asked a number of pertinent


questions. He is correct in what he says. We also want to see the


positives in this as well. There are a lot of negatives, however. Lot of


young people have to get buses much earlier in the morning because of


the structure into their exams. Some people have chosen not to come to


Fermanagh because of the likely disruption that there will be.


most important eight countries coming to the world into Fermanagh


and people are arguing? ! You might not agree with everything they say


or do but they are important and the focus of the world 's media will be


on Fermanagh, is that not a good thing? Yes, and one of the positives


was the two-day youth conference that was held in Fermanagh which


involve young people from across arrogant. That two-day conference


issued a youth community. They were 40 things, equality for all, health


and access to health, poverty and addressing poverty and they want the


G8 leaders to do more to address poverty around the world, and peace.


They are looking at conflicts in places like Syria and Palestine and


the belief that it is a fusion important issue. That will be


translated into other languages and given to each set of leaders. As


part of the problem that Sinn Fein is a pretty left-wing economic party


with a similar agenda and their importance is talked up by a global


business structure? That is not to constantly with the Sinn Fein


agenda? I do not think it is a problem. David Cameron has been


talking about world hunger. What he must understand is that you cannot


talk out of both sides of your most on this. Welfare reform is actually


bidding to people going hungry in Fermanagh and South Tyrone and


across Northern Ireland. It is not that we are a left-wing party, but


we do stand up for the vulnerable and those without a voice. We have


people struggling at the moment to pay their bills and because the


economic leaders of the world have not got their act together on this,


we are still seeing people living in poverty, people unemployed, 50% in


the South and nearly 80% in the North. Is that the First Minister,


is this a real challenge for Mr McGuinness to meet these different


leaders of the world? I do not think it will be a challenge for him.


They can always handle himself well wherever he goes. He did not issue a


joint statement with the First Minister have ever. That is because


it may not be shared by the DUP and other right-wing parties. Perhaps he


should have taken himself out of it then? He is not going to snub eight


people from around the world. eight people were coming for a


caravan holiday in Fermanagh you would not snub them, you are not


good to snub resident Obama and the likes of him. You cannot compare the


leaders of the eight most powerful countries to people going on a


Caroline Hawley, can you? At the end of the day, if there are positives


we want to tap into them. We must understand the negatives and the


difficulties and we must ensure that people have a decent quality of life


and that we stop the immigration because the figures that I have


quoted do not reflect the flat -- the fact that so many of our young


people are in Canada, New Zealand and Ireland the world. I think you


were stretching the analogy the! have seen a great deal of you in the


last 12 months. You are now concentrating on your role as a


Westminster MP. You are an abstentionist MP, you are at the


heart of it. Uber agriculture minister, the chair of the Health


Committee, very hands of, -- very hands on, you must now have a lot of


time on your hands? I spent a lot of time in my constituency and a lot of


time between London, Belfast and other areas. There is a different


approach to what I do. In my previous jobs I made a real


difference and if all the MPs were truthful, I think they would save


other they are extensions or not, it is much harder to make a positive


impact when you're outside the Assembly than when you are in it. I


would like to take my seat back in the Assembly. Did the party make the


wrong call on your behalf? There are new people in the Assembly, five MPs


are freed up to do other things. That is a good thing. I was in the


Assembly for 14 years and I did enjoy it. Regardless of what


committee I was on, I tried to be as proactive as I could be. Any of the


MPs would tell you that London is a different animal. The Assembly is


where it is at. Sam McBride and Jane Morrice now


Johnny. Sam, is it a real challenge for Sinn Fein how the G8 summit is


handled? It is certainly a challenge, one of many that come


with being in power. Sinn Fein 's approach to some of these economic


issues is quite similar to that of new Labour in some ways. They are


demanding and tried to say to the people who would want to go in there


and smash up the summit, we are broadly in agreement with your


disdain of these people. There are also saying to those who like the


filthy look of capitalism, you do not need to be frightened about us.


How did you read the build-up to G8? It is fascinating that we are


talking about global politics. just what the G8 is going to bring


to Northern Ireland and Fermanagh, but these young people that are


willing to take the sessions in a global world, it is opening up a


whole domain for a lot of us. final thoughts from you, Jane, do


you have some sympathy for Michelle wished that you read from the


hothouse of the politics and the Assembly and did not go back into


it. Uber Depat the Speaker for a time at the Assembly, did you have


an adjustment to make with a lot of time on your hands? Definitely, I


was only for five years but losing an election is a big thing. It is


hard to get over. It takes a little while to adjust to it. To change


your whole outlook and approach is very difficult. I look on the


positive, I was able to spend more time with my son and family. Thank


you both for joining me. Thank you, Michelle. Northern Ireland has a new


political grouping after the launch of NI 21.


The party set up by two Ulster Unionist MLAs, John McCallister and


his colleagues. Basil McCrea. They see this new party will feel


directly -- they say this new party will appeal directly to those felt


loaded by the other parties One of Belfast and newest


buildings, John McCallister and Basil McCrea wanted to send out a


new message that the party was modern and fit for the 21st-century.


Many of their party members have never been involved in politics


before. Tina McKenzie is new to the political world. Experienced in


business, she is the party 's chairwoman. I have worked


internationally and across the UK. am the mother of three. I have never


got involved in politics and I think most people in Northern Ireland feel


disengaged from the process. I am speaking to those people to try to


get them involved. What about the name NI 21? It was chosen to


symbolise Northern Ireland and the 21st-century. Will it find favour


with the electorate? It seems to me like a road number. Take the end 21


West. Does it sound like apolitical party? No, it does not.It is not


very exciting but I think it works. It is a break from some of the other


type of names that are used. It is OK, it does not put me off but I


would need the 21 explained. Basil McCrea and John McCallister say the


party is pro union, supports the Belfast agreement and they argue


religious persuasion should not defined political beliefs. But can


they really make a political impact. The challenge is to try and carve


out a distinctive area or space for themselves between the Alliance and


the Northern Irish Conservatives. Many people have said they are


overlapping with those parties. That is definitely a challenge. They are


looking for a voter that is socially in the know, financially


conservative. Can NI 21 attract people? Especially those who have


felt let down by politics before? Kirsty McKay is 21 and the law and


politics graduate. It is new and fresh and will engage people who


have not been engaged before. McCallister and Basil McCrea are the


new face of this party. The summit that relationship will be critical


in the months ahead. Stephen Walker reporting. Sam


McBride and Jane Morrice are still with me. Sam, how crucial is that


relationship between those two men? It is fundamental. One of my friends


who has no interest in politics was asking me what Northern Ireland 21


stands for, that is very important. They must get across the clear


message. That did not happen the day after the launch were Basil McCrea


on the radio discussed for several minutes issues and was not clear


about them. They must present themselves better. But there was a


real vibrancy about the opening event. Lots of young people


present. Quite a different demographic. Jane, you know all of


the challenges of setting up a new party with the set-up of the Womens'


Coalition, could this workout for NI 21? Back in our day things were very


different. People were desperate for change. Since the Good Friday


Agreement, things have been moving along and we have come to the point


where there is a new desperation for change and for a much more


progressive type of politics. If they represent that, I wish them


well as I would any party that is going for change, positive change in


Northern Ireland. As the territory there for them? The Alliance Party


is under 8%, basil and John say there is an opening for them, do you


believe that? The territory that they must get if they are going to


be successful is to get the young people on board. They need to get


those people who have not voted before on board as well.


Next weekend as world leaders travel to Fermanagh for the G8 summit,


anti-poverty campaigners will be gathering in Belfast to promote


their message. David Cameron yesterday led a high-level summit


where delegates committed to supporting historical reduction in


undernutrition. He is committed to giving an extra �375 million to feed


the world 's poorest children but is that enough for those to be taking


their message to the G8 next week? Dominic MacSorley from Concern and a


colleague from Christian Aid joining in. This was a significant moment.


Bill Gates also made an announcement and his foundation has committed


something to the tune of �800 million. The European Union has


committed 3.5 billion over a number of years. The money is significant


and close to what we were looking for. What we must ensure is that


this money is actually committed and that the mechanisms are in place.


The bottom line is that it is not just about money but money is


important. Yesterday 's conference highlighted if you prioritise


nutrition and if you are able to get the kind of programmes that will


insure a child actually develops as it should up until the first two


years, the chances of that child going to school and into education


and becoming a significant contributor to a national economy is


huge and that is how we are going to solve global poverty. That is the


key driver to ending global poverty. How does what was agreed in London


yesterday, Rosamond Bennett, how does that tie into what you are


hoping to achieve at the G8 summit? Did David Cameron take the wind out


of your sales? Not at all. What happened yesterday in London was


brilliant. We have our big if event next Saturday and it is all about


making sure the government is more committed to eight. It is about tax


dodging as well. It is putting pressure on the G8 to say that they


must look at ways in which we can stop tax dodging. Christian Aid


estimates that 160 billion US dollars are lost every year through


tax dodging. That could go straight to having world hunger. It depends


what you mean by tax dodging. Tax avoidance or tax aviation. Some of


that is perfectly legal. Some of the big companies are not breaking the


law, you believe that needs to be looked at again? Tax avoidance may


be legal but it is not necessarily morally correct. When you look at


where a lot of those big companies are, we are going into some of the


poorest countries in the world, taking out all of the natural


resources and not paying a penny in tax. That may be legal, but in my


eyes and a lot of other people 's' has, that is unethical. Do you share


that view and that international companies that line to support the


IF campaign, and it was revealed yesterday by another charity, some


of them are not paying the taxes that we as ordinary people would


expect them to be pain? The problem that we are trying to is enormous.


The traditional view when I started this work 30 years ago was if the


government give the money to the international GE owes and it is much


more complex than that. It will require significant investment from


the private sector. You work with these oil companies and they are


starting to recognise that if they can support health initiatives, they


can get a better workforce, they can build up their own infrastructure


and ultimately it is smart business sense. How do you get traction with


ordinary people watching this programme today and who will be


watching the G8 leaders in Fermanagh the week after next that they should


support your campaign when they are themselves living through very


austere times? Hunger is not something that just applies as


Michelle said earlier to poor countries, it is around the world. I


would advise people to go online and sign up to the petition is available


to show support against tax dodging and send them to David Cameron. The


more money that can be put into the tax system here and into our own


infrastructure will help people in the UK as well as those in


developing countries. What about the lobbying that may take ways in


Fermanagh in Belfast? How do you set out your stall without looking like


anti-capitalist demonstrators who will also be lobbying and Themis


Trading next weekend? I love to hear about the kids in Fermanagh I get


involved. People are interested in these issues and we all know these


are tough times. This is not about asking for significant increases,


but how we use the money to insure that we as international


organisations can use that as effectively as possible is very


important. Thank you both for joining me.


Now for a look back at the political bite and 60 Seconds with Stephen


Walker. After hours of debate the special


advisers Bell was finally passed. This bill will be very successful is


passed. Lord Laird was accused of doing parliamentary work for payment


but he denied any wrongdoing. Northern Ireland 's newest party was


unveiled. People are disillusioned with


politics but not this interested. They want something better and


different. We aim to do that. Belfast got a new first citizen.


I want to create jobs. In the sweltering heat Stormont, one MLA


got hot under the collar. Would the speaker be minded to look


at the guidance on riding jackets and the Assembly, it is very hot


today. They were allowed to take off their


jackets! Sam, a quick final word from you. Looking ahead to the G8,


doesn't have the ingredients be successful as far as Northern


Ireland is concerned? It will be successful in terms of publicity but


there are not that many people in Northern Ireland that are massively


excited about this. It is meant to be in secret and geeky people make


-- people like me and you away from the event. Jane you spent a lot of


time in Brussels, are people talking about the G8 coming to Ireland?


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