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a great opportunity to showcase Fermanagh or an unwanted intrusion | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
by leaders who represent big business? We'll ask the Sinn Fein MP | :01:43. | :01:53. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2139 seconds | :01:53. | :37:32. | |
for the area what she thinks. Join to go before the leaders of the | :37:32. | :37:42. | |
world 's eight richest countries arrive in Fermanagh for a two-day | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
summit, while the G8 be a great opportunity to showcase the county | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
or an unwanted intrusion by breeders who some say only represent big | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
business. As thousands gather in London to demand local leaders to do | :37:51. | :37:58. | |
more to end world hunger, we hear from Concern and Christian Aid. | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
And while the newest little party shake-up the status quo in politics? | :38:02. | :38:11. | |
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I speak to Jane Morrice and Sam McBride. | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
When it was announced last November that the G8 summit was to be held in | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
Fermanagh, the First Minister and Deputy First Minister opted not to | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
publish a joint statement. Some saw that as being a significant | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
surprise. The did not sit well with Sinn Fein is a economic agenda? Is | :38:34. | :38:41. | |
Sinn Fein caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
welcoming the leaders of the world 's eighth richest nations? Sinn Fein | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
MP for Fermanagh Michelle joins me now. Thank you for joining us. You | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
are the MP for the area. Has this been a tricky issue for you to | :38:53. | :38:59. | |
navigate? I do not think so. We would also is welcome investment and | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
tourism into Fermanagh. From that point of view the G8 as a positive. | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
I think we have been over the course of the last year since it was | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
announced that the G8 was coming, we have seen different spends being put | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
on the G8. We saw hugely inflated figures for the economic benefit. | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
When you look at what happened in Scotland the economic benefit has so | :39:27. | :39:37. | |
far not been that impressive. There is a short-term benefit, a lot of | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
businesses are doing well this week and next week at some businesses are | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
certainly struggling, even tourism businesses which do not have a foot | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
on the G8 ladder and they are not getting their usual customers, never | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
mind a boost from the G8. That must be taken into consideration. Some | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
have talked about a boost of hundreds of millions for the local | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
economy. Your party colleague, they get the chair of the trade and | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
investment committee at Stormont, Phil Flanagan, he has said that | :40:05. | :40:11. | |
since the announcement was made we have been forced to listen to one | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
ridiculous claim after another. Throughout the process he has been | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
outspoken and critical of the event it seems to a lot of people and to | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
some of the claims that have been made. Do you agree with him or is | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
there a difference? I think he has a point. Being on that committee he | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
has access to information and has asked a number of pertinent | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
questions. He is correct in what he says. We also want to see the | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
positives in this as well. There are a lot of negatives, however. Lot of | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
young people have to get buses much earlier in the morning because of | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
the structure into their exams. Some people have chosen not to come to | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
Fermanagh because of the likely disruption that there will be. | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
most important eight countries coming to the world into Fermanagh | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
and people are arguing? ! You might not agree with everything they say | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
or do but they are important and the focus of the world 's media will be | :41:09. | :41:18. | |
on Fermanagh, is that not a good thing? Yes, and one of the positives | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
was the two-day youth conference that was held in Fermanagh which | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
involve young people from across arrogant. That two-day conference | :41:26. | :41:33. | |
issued a youth community. They were 40 things, equality for all, health | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
and access to health, poverty and addressing poverty and they want the | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
G8 leaders to do more to address poverty around the world, and peace. | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
They are looking at conflicts in places like Syria and Palestine and | :41:45. | :41:51. | |
the belief that it is a fusion important issue. That will be | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
translated into other languages and given to each set of leaders. As | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
part of the problem that Sinn Fein is a pretty left-wing economic party | :42:01. | :42:08. | |
with a similar agenda and their importance is talked up by a global | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
business structure? That is not to constantly with the Sinn Fein | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
agenda? I do not think it is a problem. David Cameron has been | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
talking about world hunger. What he must understand is that you cannot | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
talk out of both sides of your most on this. Welfare reform is actually | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
bidding to people going hungry in Fermanagh and South Tyrone and | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
across Northern Ireland. It is not that we are a left-wing party, but | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
we do stand up for the vulnerable and those without a voice. We have | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
people struggling at the moment to pay their bills and because the | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
economic leaders of the world have not got their act together on this, | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
we are still seeing people living in poverty, people unemployed, 50% in | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
the South and nearly 80% in the North. Is that the First Minister, | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
is this a real challenge for Mr McGuinness to meet these different | :43:04. | :43:11. | |
leaders of the world? I do not think it will be a challenge for him. | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
They can always handle himself well wherever he goes. He did not issue a | :43:16. | :43:22. | |
joint statement with the First Minister have ever. That is because | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
it may not be shared by the DUP and other right-wing parties. Perhaps he | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
should have taken himself out of it then? He is not going to snub eight | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
people from around the world. eight people were coming for a | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
caravan holiday in Fermanagh you would not snub them, you are not | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
good to snub resident Obama and the likes of him. You cannot compare the | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
leaders of the eight most powerful countries to people going on a | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
Caroline Hawley, can you? At the end of the day, if there are positives | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
we want to tap into them. We must understand the negatives and the | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
difficulties and we must ensure that people have a decent quality of life | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
and that we stop the immigration because the figures that I have | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
quoted do not reflect the flat -- the fact that so many of our young | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
people are in Canada, New Zealand and Ireland the world. I think you | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
were stretching the analogy the! have seen a great deal of you in the | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
last 12 months. You are now concentrating on your role as a | :44:22. | :44:28. | |
Westminster MP. You are an abstentionist MP, you are at the | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
heart of it. Uber agriculture minister, the chair of the Health | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
Committee, very hands of, -- very hands on, you must now have a lot of | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
time on your hands? I spent a lot of time in my constituency and a lot of | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
time between London, Belfast and other areas. There is a different | :44:48. | :44:55. | |
approach to what I do. In my previous jobs I made a real | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
difference and if all the MPs were truthful, I think they would save | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
other they are extensions or not, it is much harder to make a positive | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
impact when you're outside the Assembly than when you are in it. I | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
would like to take my seat back in the Assembly. Did the party make the | :45:15. | :45:25. | |
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wrong call on your behalf? There are new people in the Assembly, five MPs | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
are freed up to do other things. That is a good thing. I was in the | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
Assembly for 14 years and I did enjoy it. Regardless of what | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
committee I was on, I tried to be as proactive as I could be. Any of the | :45:37. | :45:45. | |
MPs would tell you that London is a different animal. The Assembly is | :45:45. | :45:53. | |
where it is at. Sam McBride and Jane Morrice now | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
Johnny. Sam, is it a real challenge for Sinn Fein how the G8 summit is | :45:57. | :46:03. | |
handled? It is certainly a challenge, one of many that come | :46:03. | :46:10. | |
with being in power. Sinn Fein 's approach to some of these economic | :46:10. | :46:15. | |
issues is quite similar to that of new Labour in some ways. They are | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
demanding and tried to say to the people who would want to go in there | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
and smash up the summit, we are broadly in agreement with your | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
disdain of these people. There are also saying to those who like the | :46:30. | :46:36. | |
filthy look of capitalism, you do not need to be frightened about us. | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
How did you read the build-up to G8? It is fascinating that we are | :46:41. | :46:46. | |
talking about global politics. just what the G8 is going to bring | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
to Northern Ireland and Fermanagh, but these young people that are | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
willing to take the sessions in a global world, it is opening up a | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
whole domain for a lot of us. final thoughts from you, Jane, do | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
you have some sympathy for Michelle wished that you read from the | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
hothouse of the politics and the Assembly and did not go back into | :47:07. | :47:14. | |
it. Uber Depat the Speaker for a time at the Assembly, did you have | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
an adjustment to make with a lot of time on your hands? Definitely, I | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
was only for five years but losing an election is a big thing. It is | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
hard to get over. It takes a little while to adjust to it. To change | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
your whole outlook and approach is very difficult. I look on the | :47:32. | :47:40. | |
positive, I was able to spend more time with my son and family. Thank | :47:40. | :47:46. | |
you both for joining me. Thank you, Michelle. Northern Ireland has a new | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
political grouping after the launch of NI 21. | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
The party set up by two Ulster Unionist MLAs, John McCallister and | :47:55. | :48:02. | |
his colleagues. Basil McCrea. They see this new party will feel | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
directly -- they say this new party will appeal directly to those felt | :48:05. | :48:15. | |
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loaded by the other parties One of Belfast and newest | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
buildings, John McCallister and Basil McCrea wanted to send out a | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
new message that the party was modern and fit for the 21st-century. | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
Many of their party members have never been involved in politics | :48:35. | :48:43. | |
before. Tina McKenzie is new to the political world. Experienced in | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
business, she is the party 's chairwoman. I have worked | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
internationally and across the UK. am the mother of three. I have never | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
got involved in politics and I think most people in Northern Ireland feel | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
disengaged from the process. I am speaking to those people to try to | :48:59. | :49:05. | |
get them involved. What about the name NI 21? It was chosen to | :49:05. | :49:08. | |
symbolise Northern Ireland and the 21st-century. Will it find favour | :49:08. | :49:15. | |
with the electorate? It seems to me like a road number. Take the end 21 | :49:15. | :49:25. | |
West. Does it sound like apolitical party? No, it does not.It is not | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
very exciting but I think it works. It is a break from some of the other | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
type of names that are used. It is OK, it does not put me off but I | :49:35. | :49:41. | |
would need the 21 explained. Basil McCrea and John McCallister say the | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
party is pro union, supports the Belfast agreement and they argue | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
religious persuasion should not defined political beliefs. But can | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
they really make a political impact. The challenge is to try and carve | :49:53. | :49:58. | |
out a distinctive area or space for themselves between the Alliance and | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
the Northern Irish Conservatives. Many people have said they are | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
overlapping with those parties. That is definitely a challenge. They are | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
looking for a voter that is socially in the know, financially | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
conservative. Can NI 21 attract people? Especially those who have | :50:17. | :50:25. | |
felt let down by politics before? Kirsty McKay is 21 and the law and | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
politics graduate. It is new and fresh and will engage people who | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
have not been engaged before. McCallister and Basil McCrea are the | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
new face of this party. The summit that relationship will be critical | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
in the months ahead. Stephen Walker reporting. Sam | :50:43. | :50:49. | |
McBride and Jane Morrice are still with me. Sam, how crucial is that | :50:49. | :50:57. | |
relationship between those two men? It is fundamental. One of my friends | :50:57. | :51:04. | |
who has no interest in politics was asking me what Northern Ireland 21 | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
stands for, that is very important. They must get across the clear | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
message. That did not happen the day after the launch were Basil McCrea | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
on the radio discussed for several minutes issues and was not clear | :51:18. | :51:25. | |
about them. They must present themselves better. But there was a | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
real vibrancy about the opening event. Lots of young people | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
present. Quite a different demographic. Jane, you know all of | :51:32. | :51:39. | |
the challenges of setting up a new party with the set-up of the Womens' | :51:39. | :51:47. | |
Coalition, could this workout for NI 21? Back in our day things were very | :51:47. | :51:52. | |
different. People were desperate for change. Since the Good Friday | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
Agreement, things have been moving along and we have come to the point | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
where there is a new desperation for change and for a much more | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
progressive type of politics. If they represent that, I wish them | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
well as I would any party that is going for change, positive change in | :52:07. | :52:14. | |
Northern Ireland. As the territory there for them? The Alliance Party | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
is under 8%, basil and John say there is an opening for them, do you | :52:19. | :52:24. | |
believe that? The territory that they must get if they are going to | :52:24. | :52:31. | |
be successful is to get the young people on board. They need to get | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
those people who have not voted before on board as well. | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
Next weekend as world leaders travel to Fermanagh for the G8 summit, | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
anti-poverty campaigners will be gathering in Belfast to promote | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
their message. David Cameron yesterday led a high-level summit | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
where delegates committed to supporting historical reduction in | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
undernutrition. He is committed to giving an extra �375 million to feed | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
the world 's poorest children but is that enough for those to be taking | :53:02. | :53:11. | |
their message to the G8 next week? Dominic MacSorley from Concern and a | :53:12. | :53:20. | |
colleague from Christian Aid joining in. This was a significant moment. | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
Bill Gates also made an announcement and his foundation has committed | :53:23. | :53:30. | |
something to the tune of �800 million. The European Union has | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
committed 3.5 billion over a number of years. The money is significant | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
and close to what we were looking for. What we must ensure is that | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
this money is actually committed and that the mechanisms are in place. | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
The bottom line is that it is not just about money but money is | :53:47. | :53:53. | |
important. Yesterday 's conference highlighted if you prioritise | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
nutrition and if you are able to get the kind of programmes that will | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
insure a child actually develops as it should up until the first two | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
years, the chances of that child going to school and into education | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
and becoming a significant contributor to a national economy is | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
huge and that is how we are going to solve global poverty. That is the | :54:14. | :54:22. | |
key driver to ending global poverty. How does what was agreed in London | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
yesterday, Rosamond Bennett, how does that tie into what you are | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
hoping to achieve at the G8 summit? Did David Cameron take the wind out | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
of your sales? Not at all. What happened yesterday in London was | :54:34. | :54:43. | |
brilliant. We have our big if event next Saturday and it is all about | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
making sure the government is more committed to eight. It is about tax | :54:46. | :54:51. | |
dodging as well. It is putting pressure on the G8 to say that they | :54:51. | :54:59. | |
must look at ways in which we can stop tax dodging. Christian Aid | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
estimates that 160 billion US dollars are lost every year through | :55:02. | :55:08. | |
tax dodging. That could go straight to having world hunger. It depends | :55:08. | :55:16. | |
what you mean by tax dodging. Tax avoidance or tax aviation. Some of | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
that is perfectly legal. Some of the big companies are not breaking the | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
law, you believe that needs to be looked at again? Tax avoidance may | :55:25. | :55:30. | |
be legal but it is not necessarily morally correct. When you look at | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
where a lot of those big companies are, we are going into some of the | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
poorest countries in the world, taking out all of the natural | :55:37. | :55:47. | |
resources and not paying a penny in tax. That may be legal, but in my | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
eyes and a lot of other people 's' has, that is unethical. Do you share | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
that view and that international companies that line to support the | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
IF campaign, and it was revealed yesterday by another charity, some | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
of them are not paying the taxes that we as ordinary people would | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
expect them to be pain? The problem that we are trying to is enormous. | :56:06. | :56:12. | |
The traditional view when I started this work 30 years ago was if the | :56:12. | :56:19. | |
government give the money to the international GE owes and it is much | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
more complex than that. It will require significant investment from | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
the private sector. You work with these oil companies and they are | :56:29. | :56:36. | |
starting to recognise that if they can support health initiatives, they | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
can get a better workforce, they can build up their own infrastructure | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
and ultimately it is smart business sense. How do you get traction with | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
ordinary people watching this programme today and who will be | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
watching the G8 leaders in Fermanagh the week after next that they should | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
support your campaign when they are themselves living through very | :56:54. | :57:01. | |
austere times? Hunger is not something that just applies as | :57:01. | :57:07. | |
Michelle said earlier to poor countries, it is around the world. I | :57:07. | :57:12. | |
would advise people to go online and sign up to the petition is available | :57:12. | :57:18. | |
to show support against tax dodging and send them to David Cameron. The | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
more money that can be put into the tax system here and into our own | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
infrastructure will help people in the UK as well as those in | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
developing countries. What about the lobbying that may take ways in | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
Fermanagh in Belfast? How do you set out your stall without looking like | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
anti-capitalist demonstrators who will also be lobbying and Themis | :57:39. | :57:47. | |
Trading next weekend? I love to hear about the kids in Fermanagh I get | :57:47. | :57:52. | |
involved. People are interested in these issues and we all know these | :57:52. | :58:02. | |
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are tough times. This is not about asking for significant increases, | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
but how we use the money to insure that we as international | :58:08. | :58:10. | |
organisations can use that as effectively as possible is very | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
important. Thank you both for joining me. | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
Now for a look back at the political bite and 60 Seconds with Stephen | :58:21. | :58:29. | |
Walker. After hours of debate the special | :58:29. | :58:39. | |
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advisers Bell was finally passed. This bill will be very successful is | :58:39. | :58:45. | |
passed. Lord Laird was accused of doing parliamentary work for payment | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
but he denied any wrongdoing. Northern Ireland 's newest party was | :58:49. | :58:54. | |
unveiled. People are disillusioned with | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
politics but not this interested. They want something better and | :58:57. | :59:05. | |
different. We aim to do that. Belfast got a new first citizen. | :59:05. | :59:10. | |
I want to create jobs. In the sweltering heat Stormont, one MLA | :59:10. | :59:20. | |
got hot under the collar. Would the speaker be minded to look | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
at the guidance on riding jackets and the Assembly, it is very hot | :59:23. | :59:33. | |
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today. They were allowed to take off their | :59:34. | :59:40. | |
jackets! Sam, a quick final word from you. Looking ahead to the G8, | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
doesn't have the ingredients be successful as far as Northern | :59:43. | :59:48. | |
Ireland is concerned? It will be successful in terms of publicity but | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
there are not that many people in Northern Ireland that are massively | :59:51. | :59:57. | |
excited about this. It is meant to be in secret and geeky people make | :59:57. | :00:03. | |
-- people like me and you away from the event. Jane you spent a lot of | :00:03. | :00:08. | |
time in Brussels, are people talking about the G8 coming to Ireland? | :00:08. | :00:12. |