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We'll hear Boris Johnson's advice to our politicians on Corporation Tax. | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
And we're discussing striking the right balance between protest and | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1935 seconds | :01:27. | :33:43. | |
promotion at the G8. Join me in half say on Northern Ireland. He was in | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
Ballymena last week to pick up his Boris buses and business editor in | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
Fitzpatrick caught up with him to find out what he thinks about | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
Northern Ireland. You believe in devolution and more powerful London. | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
Should there be more powerful regions like this? I certainly want | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
London to be able to do what we need to do, especially buying new buses | :34:06. | :34:15. | |
like this one. They have done a fantastic job. You are campaigning | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
for extra powers for London, store mod is interested in that too. You | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
would have to look at the issues that the tax competitiveness | :34:26. | :34:33. | |
questions and the cost. I am not so much interested in things that would | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
be costing the Treasury money. What we need in London is stable and | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
continuous financing, it is more about certainty than quantum. We | :34:43. | :34:50. | |
need to predict that London will get �1.8 billion a year over a long | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
period to invest in transport infrastructure. The fatal mistake | :34:53. | :34:59. | |
has been that we do stop start, stop start. It is less about making money | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
off the Treasury and stability. What is your advice to store mod? I would | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
hesitate. It's important that if you want to persuade the Treasury of | :35:10. | :35:17. | |
anything, persuade them to save money. That's the only way forward. | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
Or that it is revenue neutral or the way to make the oven fly is to say | :35:23. | :35:29. | |
if you devolve us this power or this tax, we will grow the economy in | :35:29. | :35:35. | |
such a way to deliver more revenue. It is about getting the Treasury | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
more money. And one thing that has stalled progress on some issues like | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
devolution of Corporation Tax has been issues of Scottish | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
independence. Should Westminster worry about what is going north of | :35:49. | :35:55. | |
border? The Scottish independence thing will be radically revolt -- | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
resolved in favour of the UK. think there is a case for devolved | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
government having the ability to raise locally what they spend | :36:07. | :36:13. | |
locally. That must make sense in a devolution settlement. You will not | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
persuade the Treasury of that, you will not persuade the Treasury of | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
that unless they can see it is revenue neutral or it will deliver | :36:23. | :36:29. | |
such a growth in revenues as to be positive for them. What about | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
Europe, the only part of the UK with a land border with the eurozone and | :36:34. | :36:41. | |
now a debate on Europe is hotting up. If things don't go well... You | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
need an exit strategy because you cannot go into negotiations where | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
the bottom line is surrender. need to be able to walk away. It has | :36:50. | :36:56. | |
changed in my lifetime. I do not feel that it is as much an | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
existential question for Britain whether we are members of the | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
European Union, we are part of the global economy. This us, to drag the | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
subject back to what matters, this bus we will sell to markets in Asia. | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
And that is where the growth is coming in the world and you should | :37:14. | :37:20. | |
think globally. What about for the Conservative party, not a big force | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
in Northern Ireland, hasn't had much success growing the base. Nor has | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
the Labour Party! They have tried a bit harder. What would you do to | :37:31. | :37:39. | |
energise voters here? I think there are long and complicated reasons why | :37:39. | :37:49. | |
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that has never taken off. I don't want particularly to insert myself | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
into politics here in Northern Ireland except to say how pleased | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
and proud I am that we have been able to investment through DFL to | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
get the best bus in the world is coming from Northern Ireland, it has | :38:04. | :38:11. | |
British technology and is delivering jobs. Finally, London Olympics, a | :38:11. | :38:20. | |
huge success. We have a big event coming here. What is your advice? Do | :38:20. | :38:27. | |
not listen to the Gloomadon-poppers. I am sure it will go Apsley | :38:27. | :38:37. | |
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swimmingly. It will go swimmingly. Let's get some reaction from my | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
guests, Alex Kane and Cathy Gormley-Heenan from University of | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
Ulster. Gloomadon-poppers seems to be a word Boris Johnson is | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
preaching, a one-man campaign. It is a pity because the word can mean | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
many things to many people. It would have been useful on Thursday night | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
to refer to the guests then as Gloomadon-poppers. It is something I | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
will pick up and try to run with. Will it make its way into your | :39:08. | :39:16. | |
column? I will try to claim it as my own! It is an interview where he | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
didn't say much at all other than buses but he inserts this word and | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
we have a conversation. No matter what he says, you come away and you | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
like the guy. That's what he's about. Hats off to write bus for | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
doing such a remarkable job so the buses on a global stage. Boris | :39:34. | :39:43. | |
Johnson is a huge ambassador. He is. That is valuable and it's a good | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
connection between Ballymena and Boris and London and the | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
Conservative party, good links. Sometimes I listen to Boris talking | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
about buses and I wish I could hear from the First Minister with the | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
same enthusiasm and same sense of fun about what business can be like. | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
The interesting thing is despite Jim Fitzpatrick's best efforts, Boris | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
Johnson did not say anything about Northern Ireland. I understand that. | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
He was here in his capacity as Mayor of London. There are things that | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
suit his own agenda, including the devolution of scat -- tax varying | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
powers. If he had tied that in better than he did into the | :40:28. | :40:35. | |
conversation and how it might relate to Corporation Tax, that might have | :40:35. | :40:42. | |
worked better but he was slightly caught on the hop anti turns the | :40:42. | :40:49. | |
conversation back to what he wants to talk about by being open. I | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
suppose the parallel is Corporation Tax if it happens, the reduction in | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
Corporation Tax comes at a price potentially to the grant, any | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
changes in taxation for London will also come as part of a risky | :41:04. | :41:09. | |
strategy. I think that's true. not sure what Boris Johnson is | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
running with this because Cameron has said nothing will happen until | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
the Scottish referendum is over. In terms of Northern Ireland, we've | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
been talking about this for five years. I do not see it happening at | :41:22. | :41:28. | |
all. More from you in a moment. a smokescreen for a major attack on | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
civil liberties or a terrific opportunity to showcase Northern | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
Ireland? Two contrasting views on the G8 summit which takes place in | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
county Fermanagh next month.This week the Chief Constable unveiled | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
details of how he's planning to police the expected protests | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
surrounding the summit... We are expecting demonstrations in | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
Belfast. There was one planned in relation to cracking. There will be | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
demonstrations voicing concerns about property and we expect | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
something in Ellis Killin as well. There will be a number of | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
demonstrations as is normal with any event. In terms of the numbers | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
coming and the size, I think that is a work in progress and we are | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
monitoring it carefully. Clearly the ridiculous planning draws upon the | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
experience of previous G8 summits and what that looked like and the | :42:17. | :42:23. | |
numbers. It looks at their current situation in terms of global issues | :42:23. | :42:30. | |
and protests and we have planned for every eventuality. So, our job is to | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
facilitate legitimate lawful protest, if others choose to come | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
here with a different purpose we will be prepared and equipped. That | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
is why we are working closely with the Met Police with their | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
experience. Matt Baggott. Business leaders welcomed the potential | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
benefits of the G8 predicting a significant boost for tourism and | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
investment. Had we ensure we get the balance between promotion and | :42:57. | :43:05. | |
protest, with me are Eamon McCann and Ian Coulter from the CBI. Ian | :43:05. | :43:12. | |
Coulter, why is the G8 good for Northern Ireland? In 2002, Alberta | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
in Canada generated 200 million US dollars to the local economy | :43:17. | :43:25. | |
short-term. 2005, Gleneagles 750 million sterling benefits. At the | :43:25. | :43:31. | |
moment, the numbers are not to be sniffed at. We believe there is good | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
short-term and long-term gains economic league and how we are | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
perceived. Were there signs of the investment in Northern Ireland with | :43:40. | :43:47. | |
less than a month to go? No, it is not as simple as that. The | :43:47. | :43:54. | |
investment comes over 12 months from tourism, retail and hospitality. It | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
starts from after the G8. In the run-up to the summit, any signs of | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
benefit to your members? I am sure there are small businesses in | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
Fermanagh seeing benefits -- seeing benefits already. Over time you will | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
see more. This is a mid-to long-term plan. How could you argue against | :44:15. | :44:25. | |
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that? I question the basis of the figures. The main beneficiaries will | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
be hoteliers and hospitality industry and good luck to them in | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
the short-term. The figures for long-term improvement and economic | :44:42. | :44:50. | |
prospects are questionable. You quoted in Italy and Canada, you will | :44:50. | :44:57. | |
find that the calculations are off extra money and growth based on | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
media coverage. That is speculative as to whether it is a real figure or | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
not. People imagine the tourism industry will develop because people | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
will see the lovely lakes and landscapes, what they will not say | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
-- they will not see that. They will see it but they will not focus on | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
it. I am not sure they will see it because the news bulletins in the US | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
and Europe will focus on the policy matters and how to coordinate | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
austerity programmes and what they would do about arms spending, | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
probably nothing. It is policy matters which are the constant face | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
on the media not the beauties of Fermanagh. I do not think there'll | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
be a long-term improvement in the economy. I do not expect it. That's | :45:46. | :45:53. | |
interesting because if you look at Italy, who knows where that is? | :45:53. | :45:59. | |
don't disagree. It is a short-term initiative, is it better to have it | :45:59. | :46:06. | |
than not? Yes. Will it fix endemic problems? Of course not. On the | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
perception issue, if we think back, this is probably the most global | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
coverage Northern Ireland gets since the Good Friday Agreement. How sure | :46:15. | :46:24. | |
are you that Eamon McCann will spoil the party? They won't.There is | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
always protest at the G8. It will be managed. The G8 will come and go and | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
there will be a positive message going out. Are you happy for that | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
happen or do you want to try to spoil the party? It is not a | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
question of spoiling the party. believe there was a right to protest | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
and it is necessary to protest against the G8. They represent the | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
ruling classes of the world, they are most responsible for the | :46:52. | :47:01. | |
appalling state of the world is in, threats to environment, war zones, | :47:01. | :47:11. | |
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and the RUC has obtained two drones without any discussion. Of | :47:11. | :47:18. | |
course... These are not the drones used in Pakistan. They will not be | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
used like that to drop bombs on Fermanagh as far as we know! There | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
is no suggestion of that. It is remarkable these measures, these | :47:27. | :47:35. | |
security measures are supported by a party which a week ago objected to | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
children's playgrounds opening on Sunday. It is better to be prepared | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
for a problem. It is forward planning in case of difficulty. | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
is overhyped. I was at Gleneagles, a vast security apparatus. There was | :47:53. | :48:03. | |
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no violence at all. There were no raised fists. They were helicopters | :48:06. | :48:14. | |
overhead, drones, special courts open. The British police coming in. | :48:14. | :48:21. | |
I do not believe the measures will go away with Barack Obama. A couple | :48:21. | :48:27. | |
of points there but too much security is his charge and who knows | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
if it will all be dismantled at the end? The leaders of the world are | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
coming, of course there is security. We do not have the luxuries to talk | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
about -- we have unemployed people, anything that can be done to credit | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
jobs and opportunities should be grabbed and it will be grabbed. Stay | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
with us because I want to hear from our commentators. Do you think a | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
balance can be struck between protest and promotion? Absolutely | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
but what we are seeing is a diversion of focus away from what | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
the G8 is about, many people do not know what the key aims of G8 are. | :49:06. | :49:13. | |
Trade, transparency, tax, the agenda on the table. The local and national | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
media have not refocused in much on the issues that these world leaders | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
will be talking about and there's too much emphasis on the potential | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
benefits to the place or the threat of protest. It doesn't help the | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
economy or the tourist industry to say come to Northern Ireland, your | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
prison bed awaits having put the measures in place. I think if the | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
focus shifts to the key issues it will politicise people in a positive | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
way and we are not seeing that. Do you think it helps to sell Northern | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
Ireland and the G8 to people here and on a world stage to have Obama | :49:52. | :50:00. | |
coming? Or is it irrelevant? I fit into the Boris description of the | :50:00. | :50:06. | |
Gloomadon-poppers. I really don't see what the difference is. The big | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
issues should be discussing here in the local papers and they are not. | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
He is right, you should protest, these are big issues, these are the | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
eight most powerful men in the world who have made horrendous decisions, | :50:20. | :50:30. | |
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morally and politically but also they bring trillions of debt and say | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
they will solve it and isn't Fermanagh lovely? It doesn't matter | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
what happens, MTV, YouTube, it is great to Northern Ireland but they | :50:40. | :50:47. | |
go away and nothing, the dreary steeples are back. You have to | :50:47. | :50:54. | |
remember the word, it is Gloomadon-poppers. I made up my own | :50:54. | :51:01. | |
word. Is Obama coming to Belfast helping from your perspective? | :51:01. | :51:07. | |
big point is we should not be trying to affect things we cannot control | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
globally, how can we leveraged the conference to grow Northern Ireland | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
and put it in the best place possible to get youth employment up. | :51:14. | :51:22. | |
You talk about Obama, 12,000 jobs from foreign investment, much it | :51:22. | :51:29. | |
from the US. Will we see that between now and the G8? Is a good we | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
have a US leader here in a positive light, it is positive. Let's deal | :51:34. | :51:42. | |
with it and grab the opportunity. Positive or reservations about the | :51:42. | :51:49. | |
Obama trip? Huge reservations about the trip. Obama has over 100 people | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
on hunger strike in Guantanamo Bay, more than half have been cleared for | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
release by the American authorities. They are being tortured, I hope | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
there will be placard saying support he hunger strikers. We will leave it | :52:03. | :52:11. | |
there. We will come back to this in the next few weeks. Politics is | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
often a fine balancing act as one minister found out, it is all in 60 | :52:16. | :52:24. | |
seconds with Martina Purdy. The future of care homes and | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
children's heart surgery, the story that will not go away. Edwin Poots | :52:28. | :52:37. | |
showing the strain when he appeared before the health committee. | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
Together building a united community, the First Minister and | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
Deputy First Minister revealed community relations strategy. This | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
is the most ambitious set of proposals that have been brought | :52:49. | :52:55. | |
forward. But far from united, the other parties felt excluded by the | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
DUP and Sinn Fein. I didn't know anything about it until it was | :53:00. | :53:07. | |
announced today. The health Minister and his southern counterpart white | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
united in a search for cross-border solutions even if James Riley did | :53:11. | :53:18. | |
not look steady on his feet. And the new party, no name but high hopes, | :53:18. | :53:28. | |
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Martina Purdy reporting on spills and drop catches for the | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
politicians. A final word from Cathy and Alex. Shared future was the big | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
issue at the end of the week, proposals from the ministers, | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
useful, did they move us forward? Did not move us anywhere, | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
integration and shared society to something else and every time they | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
change the make -- name they are in the same place. They have now | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
electoral dividend but they have a dividend financially in pretending | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
they are doing something. We have a new strategy, building a united | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
community together. You have written about this, you have talked about | :54:10. | :54:16. | |
this, you have recently compiled a report for the office of the First | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
Minister and Deputy First Minister, does it take us forward? And we're | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
not dealing with a critical issues will stop we will be and I don't | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
want to be a Gloomadon-poppers to keep the phrase going, I do think | :54:29. | :54:36. | |
anything is better than nothing. what we have is a start, we will see | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
the strategy into more weeks. We can look at the detail and have | :54:41. | :54:46. | |
something to build on, the fact Obama is coming, if there is one | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
positive thing, that can galvanise public sentiment and support for | :54:49. | :54:56. | |
moving things forward. I am not so fussy on the detail of 10,000 places | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
here and 100 students in summer placements, that sort of detail, I | :55:01. | :55:06. | |
am more interested in what will be independent chaired working group | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
look like and who will it be because it cannot be someone party political | :55:10. | :55:17. | |
and what they plan to do to push the agenda forward? Finally, Alex, the | :55:17. | :55:22. |