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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2253 seconds | :01:36. | :39:09. | |
proper patient care when it comes Hello, and Natalie Graham and this | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
is the Sunday Politics in the south-east. Coming up, our new | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
squatting laws which led to a Sussex MP being pelted by | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
protesters a distraction by the real problem of housing shortages | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
in the region? Joining me in the studio is the Labour leader of | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
Hastings Borough Council Jeremy Birch, and Professor of journalism | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
at Kent University, Tim Luckhurst. Jeremy and the rest of Hastings had | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
been celebrating news that the town's pier is going to get �11.4 | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
million of Heritage Lottery funding so it can be restored. The 140 | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
year-old pier has hosted Jimi Hendrix and Rolling Stones gigs in | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
the past. Then it burned down, the plan is it for its to return to the | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
glories of its past. A lot of economic hopes in breast -- | :39:59. | :40:06. | |
Hastings rest of the plan, is it dangerous to rest so much on one | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
structure? This is a conservation and heritage project, but it is | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
also a regeneration project. You can revive that part of the | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
seafront with a new pier, then businesses will look at the other | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
sections of the area. We want to draw visitors from our old town | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
which is great further along into further part of Hastings. It is not | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
the only show in town, there are any -- there are plenty of other | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
things going on in Hastings. The pier, and iconic structure, it | :40:34. | :40:44. | |
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would make a big difference to the town. Piers art... It is iconic me | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
because Pink Floyd played there in 1968, it was the last time that Syd | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
Barrett played with them. It is not just iconic, a real part of rock | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
legend. The services at two Sussex | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
hospitals are going to be streamlined. The changes at the | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
Conquest in hating and the DGH in Eastbourne were overlay -- | :41:09. | :41:16. | |
overwhelmingly voted through on Friday, despite strong protests led | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
by local MPs. Similar plant in Kent have also led the vocal opposition. | :41:21. | :41:27. | |
Have these protests flown in the face with evidence suggesting week | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
bickering surges -- services is good for patients? | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
It is an issue that brings people in the south-east out to march | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
through the streets. They want major health services like accident | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
and emergency consultant led maternity, orthopaedics and surgery | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
available in their town. Their MPs have been marching with them, | :41:48. | :41:55. | |
saying local services can mean saving local votes. Not everyone | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
thinks these politicians are fighting for the best interests of | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
their constituents. If you campaign for having all your services and | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
not consolidating special services, the evidence shows that patients | :42:05. | :42:10. | |
are not going to get the best- quality care. We simply cannot | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
replicate high quality care in every hospital. There is a long | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
history of politicians campaigning for the local health services, but | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
we need to get Blom that. We need amateur response from politics -- a | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
we need to get beyond that. We need a mature response from politicians, | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
to say what are safe and sustainable services, not to be | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
sentimental about Lord Coe -- local services. Think strategically, what | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
is the best possible set of services for my constituents? | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
number of local district hospitals in England has decreased by 85% in | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
the last 50 years. That is because medical advances have meant a clear | :42:47. | :42:54. | |
trend towards fewer, larger hospitals with special care units | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
particularly in emergency care. Experts argue that centralising | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
services saves money and lives. Evidence on the NHS in London | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
suggests that out-of-hours emergency surgery can be unsafe if | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
hospitals struggle to get adequate senior staff. It said centralising | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
services would mean at least 500 fewer deaths per year. Stroke care | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
in the capital has been centralised into eight highly specialised units. | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
It is estimated that will mean an extra 400 lives are saved each year. | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
That is where plans were put forward in East Sussex to | :43:30. | :43:37. | |
concentrate emergency and high risk orthopaedic and General surgery at | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
the Conquest and strokes services at the District Cama Hospital. The | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
medical director in charge of these plans says just 15 people each day | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
would have to travel further for their car -- care. Less than 1% of | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
patients. Fundamentally it is about insuring that the depth of | :43:55. | :44:01. | |
experience in vibrant specialist units are able to provide that high | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
quality service. In order to provide those services seven-days- | :44:04. | :44:12. | |
a-week, we need staff to provide that. Providing that staff, so | :44:12. | :44:18. | |
duplicating that staff, on two sites, is not clinically | :44:18. | :44:23. | |
sustainable and is also not find it is sustainable. I think very simply, | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
-- financially sustainable. I think very simply, we are securing the | :44:27. | :44:34. | |
future of both our acute hospitals for the patients. Four years ago, | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
plans to centralise consultant led births in Hastings, leaving an only | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
need her -- only a midwifery unit in he Eastbourne, were defeated by | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
campaigners. But in Kent, similar calls did not succeed. There were | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
concerns about mothers in Labour travelling further to the new unit | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
in Pembrey, but one year on, the hospital says outcome and patient | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
satisfaction have improved. Now maternity services in East Kent | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
have been centralised as well. Over in Brighton, the Royal says its -- | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
the Royal Sussex County Hospital is specialised trauma centres serving | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
the whole of the south-east. If you are in the back of an ambulance, | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
you go past on the most hospital but what you get at the end of it | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
is a much better all-round quality of care. So what you get is a much | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
greater chance of you recovering fully from it. There has been a lot | :45:27. | :45:32. | |
of Alliance from the hospital as a building, as a place where a lot of | :45:32. | :45:38. | |
services is deliverance. A model is changing and needs to change, | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
because there are a lot of people sitting in a hospital bed to could | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
be treated elsewhere. Concentrating services is helping the NHS make | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
budget cuts of �20 million by 2014. But drawn up campaigns to save | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
local hospitals can be an expensive process. Petitions are launched, | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
judicial reviews, appeals are made. Ultimately that is taxpayers' money | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
being spent by the local NHS trust that does not want to lose | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
particular services, and it can go on for years. A huge amount of | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
money is spent on these appeals. Ultimately the same decision is | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
made. Campaign marches make a great photo opportunity but are our MPs | :46:16. | :46:22. | |
but of political popularity eggheads -- putting political | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
popularity ahead of communicating the constituents the case became | :46:28. | :46:33. | |
she -- the case for change? Joining us from Eastbourne is the town's | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
Liberal Democrat MP Stephen Lloyd, who has been a vociferous campaign | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
in favour of maintaining existing services at his local hospital. It | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
sounds as though these changes are in the best interests of your | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
constituents say you would be serving the better if you are | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
supporting the hospitals. There are so many things I disagree with that | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
report that they do not know where to start. Let me keep -- keep it | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
straight forward, that is the road between DGH and Conquest. That is | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
one of the worst roads in the south coast. In the last six years, we | :47:05. | :47:13. | |
have had 70 fatalities, 4000 accidents, 700 desperately... | :47:13. | :47:20. | |
You there, we have rehearsed these arguments very many times. There is | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
a new road being built. In that report, 1% of patients are affected. | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
The overwhelming support is for the changes because the inconvenience | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
is outweighed for the better care they will receive in Hastings. | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
is 15 patients per day which is 5000 per year. That is 5000 people | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
travelling from Eastbourne and the surrounding area to the Conquest of | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
a rotten wrote in serious emergency cases. We are talking about | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
clinicians, I have got over 95% of consultants at DGH saying it would | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
be the wrong move to move orthopaedics to the Conquest, and | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
Rousham or surgery. Why do they think that, when the Royal College | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
of Physicians, the NHS Federation, the King's Fund, the national | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
clinical advisory team, all feel this is the right thing to do for | :48:10. | :48:17. | |
patients? Even on the report to talk about, the consultant they set | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
down here was not a role consultant, he was from London. -- a rural | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
consultant. When you have got that percentage of DGH senior clinicians | :48:27. | :48:33. | |
saying a strongly as they do that they disagree, I have got a list. | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
Why do they disagree? Could it be they just do not like change? | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
when you have got that sort of percentage, it was 99%. I think for | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
was only -- I think there was only one DGH consultant who agreed. At | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
the board meeting a couple of days ago, it is -- it was news, our | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
local GP commissioning body did not agree with sending orthopaedics and | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
general surgery to be Conquest. I have to tell you clearly, part of | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
the four tests that the government says Amy reconfiguration plans have | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
to agree with says that GP commissioning body has to support | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
it. You have not explained to me why... Mr Lloyd, you have not | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
explained to me why... I am not a commission. If I had spent lord | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
knows how many years as an NHS consultant, I would be able to give | :49:30. | :49:36. | |
you clinical advice. When you have got that many clinical conditions... | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
There are fewer deaths in high- volume hospitals, patients spent | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
less time in hospital, they will get better care, senior doctors | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
seven days a week. At the moment stroke services in your local | :49:48. | :49:54. | |
hospital are not making local standards. This is good for your | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
constituents. On the stroke, that is a fair point. Our campaign has | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
never been against any specialised groupings per say. It is on | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
specifics. Gemmell surgery. The chief executive, I saw in the paper | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
last week, was talking about 15 people per day, but his 5000 people | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
in the year. The roads in Eastbourne are falling and that | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
road is not going to be done a miraculously in the next year, it | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
is going to be done in the next few years. At the minute it is a | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
desperately unsafe road. I have too many senior police she -- | :50:29. | :50:35. | |
commissions across the Place St this will be unsafe and this will | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
downgrade the hospital. And when I hear that from serious people, I | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
fight the corner and that is it what we are doing in Eastbourne and | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
the surrounding area. Thank you for joining us. | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
Jeremy Birch, this affects people you represent in Hastings. What is | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
your view on the changes? The plan is that strokes centres would be | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
centred in Eastbourne, orthopaedics and general surgery in Hastings. I | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
think a hospital trust has to reassure people. It has got to say, | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
it strikes services are in Eastbourne and people believe that | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
strikes services time is of the effort -- essence, in the time it | :51:15. | :51:21. | |
will take, patience to go from Hastings or other pasts of East | :51:22. | :51:29. | |
Sussex into Easebourne, that safety will not be compromised, they will | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
be treated in good time. There is overwhelming medical evidence that | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
people who travel to East poor will get much better care. He was not | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
reassured? I understand the position in London where people | :51:44. | :51:48. | |
have been revived better because of having a centre of excellence. East | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
Sussex is not London. You do not have another hospital just down the | :51:52. | :51:59. | |
road, you have 70 miles in between these two hospitals. The trust has | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
to reassure us in Hastings were stripped and the diseases are a | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
bigger issue because of diet and deprivation, you have got to | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
reassure us that time will not affect us. This is an interesting | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
one for politicians. They will lose votes if they do not oppose the | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
changes. I think that is probably right. Let's face it, local | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
politicians have been fighting ever since the Second World War II | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
maintain the 195 -- 9225 model health service for the General | :52:31. | :52:40. | |
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Hospital in every community. It is a lovely idea of people like it but | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
people are better treated by centralist services. When the you | :52:46. | :52:53. | |
think we will hear MPs, only one in the Commons has come out in favour | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
of centralisation. Do you think we will see a change in MPs' views on | :52:57. | :53:03. | |
a hospitalisation? I think they will go on speaking on behalf of | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
their constitution -- constituents but they should not because it is | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
in the interests of their constituents for centralised | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
services. There have MP Mike Weatherley was | :53:13. | :53:22. | |
pelted with missiles buyer group of protesters when he arrived to us | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
make a speech about changes to the law about squatting. Is this focus | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
on squatters distracting attention from the real problem of | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
homelessness and housing shortages in the south-east? Mike Weatherley, | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
the Member for Hove, joins us from Westminster. Have you recovered? | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
Yes. I think the protest was much more violent battle introduction | :53:46. | :53:52. | |
suggested. I was not injured but to a 5 ft of staff were, one still has | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
printed -- two of my female staff were, one still has the bruises. | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
You want to go further with this legislation so you are prepared for | :54:02. | :54:08. | |
more pelted with missiles? I hope not. This is an attack on democracy. | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
I was invited by the university to have a forthright debate, but what | :54:12. | :54:17. | |
I did not want to was to be hijacked by a bunch of thugs or | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
anarchists, some of which work into extremely violent, and all their | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
intentions were work to make sure the arguments were not heard. We | :54:25. | :54:30. | |
had very good arguments as to why a homelessness and empty properties | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
need to be highlighted by its otters need to be criminalised. | :54:34. | :54:42. | |
have taken on an organised group of squatters, we have a tradition of | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
squatters in this area, is that not distracting from the issue of | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
homelessness? We need to separate homelessness and squatters. | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
Homeless people are vulnerable people that need to be looked after. | :54:53. | :55:00. | |
Any compassionate society or need to look after their horrible people, | :55:00. | :55:07. | |
these often people with mental health problems. Squatters tend to | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
be wet sadly, they have I phones and mummy and daddy in detached | :55:10. | :55:17. | |
houses in Berkshire. They are not homeless people. You are getting -- | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
you are saying there is a distinction, but the charity crisis | :55:21. | :55:27. | |
says 40% of people who are rough sleepers rely on squatting. The | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
empty properties are available. That is entirely wrong. I had a | :55:31. | :55:37. | |
meeting with the CEO of Crisis, and that 40% includes homeless people | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
who call into a doorway and leave the next day. We are talking about | :55:43. | :55:53. | |
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people who go into a property, then print out a notice from a website | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
saying they cannot be moved. So why was the Law Society, the Criminal | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
Bar and the Metropolitan Police all against this new law because they | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
said the existing dress passing laws were adequate? The existing | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
laws were inadequate. A lady died in my constituency and her daughter | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
and son were going through the probate process. What they were | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
doing that, trying to sell the property, squatters moved in. It | :56:20. | :56:25. | |
took them 13 years -- 13 weeks and �10,000 to kick out squatters. They | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
were not highlighting homeless issues or empty property issues, | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
they just wanted somewhere to live for free as long as they could. | :56:31. | :56:39. | |
That is what we had to stop. Luckhurst, is this a sledgehammer | :56:39. | :56:45. | |
to crack and not? Mike's case there, you would have sympathy with that, | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
but a lot of other people can get caught up in this. Festival, I | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
would like to say it is astonishing -- a first of all, I think it is | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
astonishing that someone could be literally stoned at university and | :56:59. | :57:07. | |
that his terrible. Abolishing the rights for squatting is a criminal | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
no-brainer, it is not a policy from one side or another one side or | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
another. It is about saying if you own a house, people cannot steal it | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
from you simply buy it occupied it. All of us would support that. | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
Homelessness is an entirely separate issue. We have to look | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
after the homeless and be a compassionate society. We have laws | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
in place to do that. We have laws in place which place obligations | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
upon local authorities to house people who are homeless and we | :57:34. | :57:39. | |
should encourage people to seek their help and not squat. Isn't the | :57:39. | :57:44. | |
problem of squatters quite small compared to the people that need a | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
home and empty properties that should be used? There is a big | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
issue here and I wish that Mike Weatherby would be a bit more | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
upbeat about the challenges we have got about the on homelessness. The | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
government is looking at abolishing housing benefit for under 25. Where | :57:59. | :58:04. | |
others people going to go? At the moment they have made it the case | :58:04. | :58:11. | |
that anyone up to the age of 35, you are not entitled to a flat, you | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
are entitled to a single room. There is no question, everyone | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
believes that homelessness will go up and you'll get a witless young | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
people who will turn to squatting. But he will get young people who | :58:23. | :58:32. | |
have no roots. Let's give the last word to market -- Mike Weatherley. | :58:32. | :58:36. | |
We should do much -- mortar but enter properties back into use, and | :58:36. | :58:44. | |
absolutely, the government has put a lot of money into homeless | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
initiatives. The break must be made between homeless people and | :58:48. | :58:51. | |
squatters. Squatters are trying to get something from nothing whereas | :58:51. | :58:56. | |
aromas people need to be looked after, absolutely. -- homeless | :58:56. | :59:01. | |
people. Now let's have a look at the round- | :59:01. | :59:11. | |
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up of the 60 seconds political week. The mayor of London Boris Johnson | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
told business leaders that building a new forum way hub airport in the | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
Thames estuary was the only way for the UK to compete on the world | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
stage. But the boss of budget airline Ryanair dismissed the | :59:24. | :59:30. | |
scheme as. It seemed, stupid, hare- brained. Sally burka, the wife of | :59:30. | :59:40. | |
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the Collins -- Commons Speaker, suspended her but account. She | :59:41. | :59:43. | |
caused controversy. A Christian counsellor in Brighton is | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
consulting lawyers of the losing and its appeal against expulsion | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
from the Green group. He was suspended in September after voting | :59:50. | :59:56. | |
against plans to lift the ban on same-sex marriage. And while the | :59:56. | :00:02. | |
south-east MEP Nigel for Russia might be no fan of the colleagues | :00:02. | :00:08. | |
in his European Parliament, the fan -- it is mutual. We are paying a | :00:08. | :00:15. | |
salary to Nigel Farage, that is the biggest waste of money. | :00:15. | :00:21. | |
I think he took out quite well. Let's talk about Twitter. You are | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
on their a lot, and so are you, we are all the publishers, and Sally | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
because it was caught out, she is not the anyone. She was very silly | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
but she has also advertised an important issue, people who use | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Twitter and other social networking sites need to realise they are | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
publishing, that there are laws governing what they can publish, | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
published -- journalists have known about them for hundreds of years. | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
The rest of the population now need to understand that if they publish | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
something they have to take responsibility for their actions. | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
You are a former journalist, so you are probably quite careful with | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
what you put on Twitter. I think she was a twit! You have to be | :01:05. | :01:11. | |
careful, there are restrictions on all mediums and you have to | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
apologise. If you make mistakes. What did you think of the | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
comeuppance of Nigel Farage? There is a great line -- it is a lot -- | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
great line but there is a lot of money that can be saved in the | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
European Union which is a lot more that Nigel Farage is paid per. | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
big problems are still there for David Cameron and the other parties. | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
The only thing I do not agree with Nigel Farage on his that I do not | :01:39. | :01:41. |