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There's another candidate in the race to become Ukip's next | :00:35. | :00:41. | |
leader: Suzanne Evans, the party's former deputy chairman, | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
This man might have something to say about that. | :00:44. | :00:50. | |
Paul Nuttal was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years. | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
So is he now ready to throw his hat in the ring? | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
The battle for Mosul: the Iraqi army and its allies advane | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
on the country's second city which has been in the hands of | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
In the south-east, Brighton and Hove from this key clash? | :01:05. | :01:16. | |
In the south-east, Brighton and Hove Labour Party is ordered to split | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
into three and the one of the richest cities in the | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
world. Should all private landlords be licensed to help tackle the | :01:23. | :01:23. | |
squalor? And with me - as always - | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
the best and the brightest political panel in the business: Toby Young, | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
Polly Toynbee and Tom Newton Dunn - The last leader was in the job | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
a mere 18 days before she decided The favourite to succeed her then | :01:35. | :01:44. | |
quit the party after a now infamous Ukip's biggest donor says the party | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
is at "breaking point". This morning, the former | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
Deputy Chairman, Suzanne Evans, announced that she would be | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
running for the leadership. I've thought long and hard | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
about this leadership bid, and one of the reasons I've perhaps | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
delayed announcing it is because I wanted to be absolutely | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
sure that I had the support And I can confirm that I have | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
more than enough signatures on the nomination form already | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
to be able to go forward. Let's not forget that 3,000 people | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
signed a petition in support of me I know head office was besieged | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
with letters in support. I would not be doing this | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
if I didn't have the backing of our members, because our members | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
are the most important Well, Paul Nuttall was | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
Nigel Farage's deputy for many years and plenty of people saw him | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
as a leader-in-waiting. Let's ask the man himself - | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
Paul Nuttall joins me now. Yes. I've made the decision that I'm | :02:49. | :03:01. | |
going to put my name forward to be the next leader of Ukip. I have huge | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
support across the country, not only amongst people at the top of the | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
party in Westminster and with the MEPs, but also the grassroots. I | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
want to be the unity candidate. Ukip needs to come together. I'm not | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
going to gild the lily. Ukip is looking over a political cliff at | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
the moment. It will either step four step back, and I want to tell us to | :03:26. | :03:35. | |
step backwards. You say it faces an ex-distension or threat, which means | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
it's possible it has no future at all. Students of political history | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
know that political parties take a long time to get going. They can | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
disappear pretty quickly. Ukip is facing an existential crisis. What | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
happened over the summer has put us on a... We could be on a spiral that | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
we can't get off. But I believe I am the man to bring the factions | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
together, to create unity within the party, and to build on the structure | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
and get us ready for the common challenges. Why didn't you stand | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
last time? Because I have spent the last four or five years of my life | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
travelling around the country. I have done more Ukip meetings than | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
anybody else, spending a lot of time away from home. With Brexit, I felt | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
that my job and Nigel's job was done and we could hand over to the next | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
generation. That doesn't seem to be the case, and maybe it's time for | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
someone who is an old hand. I'm very experienced and I know the party | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
inside out. Maybe it's time to step in and bring the party together You | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
told the Liverpool Echo on the night of July that you didn't wish to take | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
on Nigel Farage, you didn't want that to happen to your family and | :04:50. | :04:58. | |
friends. What has changed? The party is facing an existential crisis and | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
I want to make sure that Ukip is on the pitch to keep the ball into the | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
open net we have in politics. We have a Conservative Party who is | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
moving toward Brexit, but we have to be there too. Why would you be | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
better than Suzanne Evans? Suzanne would be an excellent candidate I | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
thought the 2015 manifesto was the best out of all the political | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
parties. I would be the best candidate because of my experience. | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
I am not part of any faction within the party. Is she? I get on well | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
with everybody, and I believe I could be the man to bring the party | :05:39. | :05:45. | |
together. Do you get on with Iain Banks, -- Aaron Banks, who is | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
supporting one of your rivals? Yes, I get on well with him. He is able | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
to choose whoever he wants to be the next leader of the party. After | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
November 28, the leadership election, we all say, the past the | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
past. It becomes Daisy row for the new leader. We forget all that has | :06:05. | :06:13. | |
before and move on. You won the referendum. Mrs May is adopting some | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
of your policies, like grammar schools. What is the point of Ukip | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
these days? Twofold. We don't have Brexit. Mrs May said she would not | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
invoke Article 50 until the end of March, and we don't know if that | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
will happen. We need to ensure a strong Ukip to make sure that Brexit | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
really does mean Brexit. We have a huge opportunity in working class | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
communities where the Labour Party no longer represents them. I believe | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
Ukip can become the voice of working people. If you were the leader, | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
would Ukip be a bigger threat to Labour in the north or the Tories in | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
the South? You save Labour in the north, and people often to make that | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
mistake. There's working class communities right across the country | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
is. There are working-class communities in Bristol just | :07:04. | :07:15. | |
as in Newcastle. We are second in a number of northern seats, and | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
southern seats as well, and I believe the party can move into | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
these communities. It can only do so if Ukip is on the pitch, and I | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
intend to make sure that's the case. I don't think we have portrayed a | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
good image over the summer. Is that called British understatement? A | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
bit. It is dysfunctional. We have to move on beyond Nigel Farage. We have | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
to build a strong national Executive Committee. We need to ensure our | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
branches are ready for the fight and concentrate on local elections. I've | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
got the experience. I'm now throwing my hat into the ring, and I'm the | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
only person who can keep Ukip in the game. What role would you give Nigel | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
Farage, if any? I will be the candidate of compromise. I would see | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
what Nigel wanted to do. Would you keep in the leader of the freedom | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
and democracy group in the European Parliament? There would have to be | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
compromise on both sides, and we would need to talk about it. I don't | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
know what Nigel wants to do. Do you think his support, his association | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
with Donald Trump, helps Ukip win female votes in this country? | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
Personally, I would not have gone out and campaigned or said anything | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
about Donald Trump, but I don't think Ukip has come out and backed | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
Donald Trump 100%. Personally, I wouldn't have even spoken about the | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
American election, because I think the two candidates are quite | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
appalling. Some up for us. If you win, what would be the hallmark of | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
your Ukip leadership? The first couple of months would be ensuring | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
that Ukip unifies. Saying no to factions, bringing people together. | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
Suzanne Evans, Nigel Farage, all of the MEPs, and ensuring that Ukip can | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
move forward. If we don't unify Ukip will not be around for much | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
longer. Thanks for being with us this morning. | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
We won't have to wait too long to find out who Ukip's | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
new leader will be - the winner will be announced | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
Who would be the best leader for Ukip? I think the difference between | :09:23. | :09:32. | |
the field a few weeks ago and today is that this field is a lot | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
stronger. Whether it's Paul or Suzanne, I think... It is hard to | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
say, with Aaron Banks and apparently Nigel Farage hacking another | :09:44. | :09:53. | |
candidate, Raheem, but I want Ukip to be a strong force in British | :09:54. | :10:03. | |
politics. I think the fact there is a stronger field now is good news | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
for Ukip. Is it a Labour's worst nightmare in the north of England? | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
It is. I think the personality difference and presentational | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
difference is interesting. Suzanne Evans is going for the Conservative | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
county vote. There's a lot to be taken there by Ukip. He would | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
probably be more appealing to the Labour vote. It is interesting. At | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
the moment, pollsters say that the Ukip vote splits pretty easily | :10:35. | :10:47. | |
between Labour and Tory. But things always collapse. When they have made | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
inroads into Tower Hamlets and Barking, they collapse, because they | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
fight amongst each other so much. But not always with fists! Does Ukip | :10:57. | :11:08. | |
have a future? And who would best secure that future? It does for at | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
least two years, until we Brexit. We have to believe that that will | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
happen. That was an impressive pitch there from Paul, certainly as the | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
unity candidate, after the car crash we have seen on TV screens this | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
morning. But it doesn't go beyond May 20 19. What then? There is no | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
point being called the United Kingdom Independence party any | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
longer. What will happen after May 2019? If you want to hoover up votes | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
of the back of Brexit, you need to start looking further ahead than two | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
years. The person who wins that leadership contest is the person who | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
will sum that up the best. We shall see. | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
In June 2014, the group which calls itself the Islamic State in Iraq | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
and the Levant captured Iraq's second city, Mosul. | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
Later that month the group announced it was establishing a 'caliphate', | :12:02. | :12:03. | |
or an Islamic state, on the territories it | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
This week 30,000 Iraqi troops, aided by Iranian-backed Shia fighters | :12:06. | :12:14. | |
Kurdish Peshmerga and Western air support, began the assault | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
Then they spot a truck bomb from so-called Islamic State. | :12:21. | :12:37. | |
They destroy it before it destroys them. | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
These are the first steps in the battle for Mosul, | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
the Northern Iraqi city IS has made its stronghold since 2014. | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
Controlling the city of around 2 million people means | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
that they established governance, they establish a territorial base. | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
This is what has obsessed everyone, because with a territorial base | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
you are capable of doing more than if you are simply an insurgency | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
movement in the fabric of another society. | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
It's being billed as the biggest military operation in Iraq | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
since the war in 2003, the biggest moment in the international effort | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
Here is how the various forces are approaching the city. | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
Heading to Mosul from the south the elite troops of the Iraqi army. | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
Known as the Golden division, trained and accompanied | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
From the North, a force made up of Kurds, known as the Peshmerga, | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
Also from the South, a militia made up of Shia fighters | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
who have been accused of human rights abuses. | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
British planes have bombed outlying villages, reportedly guided | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
in by British personnel on the ground. | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
To the North West, a corridor has been left for some | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
of the 3000 plus IS fighters, in theory an escape route | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
which could limit the bloodshed when fighting starts in the city. | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
We've had 4-5 days of battle and it's taking place | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
in the outlying villages and there have been some | :14:08. | :14:09. | |
successes and some failures, but the momentum is building. | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
And the real question will be when the attackers get | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
towards the city itself, how strong are the defences? | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
It will crack but it might crack within 48 hours or 2-3 weeks. | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
IS has fought back, on Friday they attack sites | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
in the city of Kirkuk, including a power station. | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
The United Nations believes hundreds of thousands of families | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
have been rounded up as potential human shields. | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
The battle could be bloody, but what about when it's over? | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
The Shia militias, the Iraqi army, the Peshmerga guerrillas, | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
some of the Turkish elements, they all want a share of the action. | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
They are in Mosul, not for altruistic reasons. | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
They are there because they want to be part of whatever happens next. | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
The biggest issue is how the Sunni majority in Mosul reacts to the Shia | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
militias which have helped to liberate them. | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
ARCHIVE FOOTAGE: When Sir Francis Humphrey went to Mosul | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
If it all seems like something from the archive, when the Middle | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
East went up in flames and was then carved up, | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
it is because that is what is happening in Iraq right now. | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
National identity has been cut across by other identities such | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
And that means that putting together a so-called nation state again | :15:22. | :15:32. | |
Almost certainly there will be a new form of Kurdish state, | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
almost certainly in northern Iraq at the end of this crisis, | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
and what is happening in Mosul is a microcosm of what is happening | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
elsewhere across the Levant which is that it is melting down. | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
Big questions, questions that come after the battle. | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
The coalition forces are advancing but this is just the beginning. | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
I'm joined now by the International Development Minister Rory Stewart. | :15:54. | :16:03. | |
In a former life he was the coalition Deputy-Governor of two | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
provinces in Southern Iraq following the Iraq intervention of 2003. | :16:06. | :16:13. | |
Is there any doubt that at some stage Mosul will fall to the forces | :16:14. | :16:23. | |
of Iraq and its allies? The first thing is that war is very uncertain | :16:24. | :16:32. | |
and there are cliches about it being the graveyard of predictions and we | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
don't want to make confident predictions but the basic structure | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
is that there are 30,000 Iraqi forces outside and only a few | :16:41. | :16:50. | |
thousand Daesh fighters inside and I would say it is overwhelmingly | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
likely that the batter will one STUDIO: -- the battle the won by the | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
Iraqi forces. June 2014 was a great success, they | :17:02. | :17:09. | |
took a city of over in people and they created what they tried to | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
create a million state of 7 million people, stretching across the Iraqi | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
Syrian border, but since then they have lost territory quite rapidly. | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
Now they are losing the outskirts of Mosul, and that is a fundamental | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
blow. Islamic State is all about territory and holding state, that is | :17:28. | :17:29. | |
what makes it different from Al-Qaeda. If they lose Mosul that | :17:30. | :17:37. | |
will be a cynic -- significant blow to their credibility. Hillary | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
Clinton said on Wednesday's presidential debate that when Iraqi | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
forces with their allies including the United Kingdom gain control of | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
Mosul they should continue to press into Syria to take back Raqqa which | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
is the de facto capital of the caliphate, what is left of it, do we | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
want Iraqi forces to pursue IS into Syria? Very important question. | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
Delayed in Raqqa needs to come from people on the Syrian side of the | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
border and that is an important principle -- the lead. In the end of | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
that enemy, Islamic State, is a common enemy for odd members of the | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
coalition including the Iraqi government. -- all members. There is | :18:22. | :18:29. | |
likely to be a humanitarian crisis especially if it ends up with street | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
to street fighting and IS are difficult to dislodge what are we | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
doing about that? We are doing very detailed scenario planning. It is | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
very uncertain what the scenario will be but much investment has gone | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
into creating a network of camps, refugees STUDIO: Refugee camps | :18:48. | :18:57. | |
around cash refugee camps, and that is where money, British money, 40 | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
million has gone recently into supporting that, especially in terms | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
of medical support to people. The United nation's emergency response | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
budget is ?196 million but only one third funded which sounds like we | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
are putting up a big chunk of what is already being funded. Why is | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
that? The international committee can't say they haven't seen this | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
assault coming, and the humanitarian fallout they may see from it. You | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
are absolutely right. We have seen it coming and we have been planning | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
since debris and we have put in about ?167 million into this -- | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
planning since February. There has been a change in the nature of the | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
appeal, and if there is a lag in the accounting of it, but the money we | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
need at this stage is in place and we do have the support structure in | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
place for those refugees. You are right the United Nations is | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
continuing with its appeal and is asking for more money at the moment. | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
The converse magazine wrote this week that preparations for a big | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
exodus of people leaving the city have been made -- Economist | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
magazine. But confidence is not high in the preparations, is that a | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
unfair conclusion? If you can imagine the different scenarios it | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
could be a few thousand and it could be a few hundred thousand coming out | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
of the city through a front line where the war is going on, that is | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
very difficult. You have to screen those people and disarm them, and | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
keep families together, and transport them and you have to bring | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
them into the refugee camps. The people working on this have been | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
working on this for long time, we have mapped the different routes we | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
have good camp infrastructure in place and we have people who have | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
worked in south to dam and other areas who are putting their | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
structures in place -- South Sudan. It is never easy but I think we have | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
done everything we can in the preparation for this. What is the | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
British role in what will probably be an even bigger issue, assuming | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
that Mosul is liberated and retaken, the humanitarian crisis is dealt | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
with, what role will we play in the rebuilding of Mosul? That will be | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
crucial to the future of Iraq, the second-biggest city and it will need | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
to be rebuilt. It will need to be rebuilt as a community as well as | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
bricks and mortar. And eight Sunni community that is not harassed by | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
the Shia. -- and eight. You are right. One of the core drivers is | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
that the Sunni community felt excluded and they did not feel they | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
have the trust from the Baghdad government. A lasting solution is | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
stopping some of Islamic State coming back, that involves making | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
sure the Sunni community have a stake in their future. That is | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
making sure that the governing structures are in place. The UK s | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
response is twofold, we have got to get the humanitarian aid right, that | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
is the short term, people who might be malnourished, coming out of the | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
front line. The second thing is working with the Iraqi government to | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
make sure that as we rebuild Mosul we do so in a way that that | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
population feels a connection to the Iraqi state. Islamic State is losing | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
territory everywhere in the Levant, it is almost finished in Iraq, we | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
think. It is down to one district in Libya, as well, just one small part | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
of the town. I suppose the risk is, if life is becoming more difficult | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
across these areas, it can start to look more in Europe and the United | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
Kingdom as a place to continue its terrorist attacks? That is a real | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
danger. You are right. This is a group which has proved over the last | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
five years very unpredictable and it changes for it quickly full stop | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
often it does unexpected things In 2009 its predecessor had been | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
largely wiped out in Iraq and when it was under pressure in Syria it | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
went back into Iraq, and in the past it didn't hold territory but now it | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
holds territory, so you are right. There is a serious risk that as it | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
gets squeezed in the middle East it will try to pop up somewhere else | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
and Mac could include Europe and the United States -- that could. They | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
say that is something they have focused on full stop we also have a | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
big focus on counterterrorism security and making sure that we | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
keep the United Kingdom and Europe say. One final question. -- say -- | :23:38. | :23:49. | |
safe. Maybe events in Mosul could add to the migration crisis in | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
Europe, is that a possibility? Again, you are right, we have seen | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
in Syria it can push migration, the biggest push the migration was the | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
conflict in Syria, and that's the reason why we have but so much | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
energy into getting those refugee camps in place and getting the | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
humanitarian response in place - put so much energy. People will want | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
to remain in their homes, this is their country, but we have got to | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
make it possible for them and that means in the short term looking | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
after their shelter and in the medium to long-term making sure they | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
have livelihoods, jobs and an economic development which is why | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
our support in Iraq is in the UK National interests because it deals | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
with these issues of migration and terrorists. Thanks for joining us. | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
I'm joined now by the Shadow Defence Secretary. | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
Does Labour support British participation in this offensive We | :24:49. | :25:00. | |
fully support the participation in this offensive, extremely important | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
move forward and we voted for this back in 2014. We are asking the | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
government question is, of course, I was asking the Secretary of State | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
this week about this very offensive but we are fully behind our RAF | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
pilots out there and be trading that has been going on to help the forces | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
on the ground. -- the training full stop that is very clear. I wonder if | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
you'll lead it shares that clarity and that position. -- is your | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
leader. This is what Jeremy Corbyn has said. | :25:37. | :25:37. | |
What's been done in Iraq is done by the Iraqi | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
government, and currently supported by the British government. | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
I did not support it when it came up. | :25:43. | :25:44. | |
Well, I'm not sure how successful it's been, because most | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
of the action now appears to be moving in to Syria, so I think we | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
He doesn't sound very supportive. The issue about Mosul, it has been | :25:52. | :26:00. | |
very carefully prepared as Rory Stewart said and I hope we have | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
learned the lessons from previous offensives where we haven't learnt | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
sufficiently, and that is going to be crucial in this context. How the | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
aftermath is going to be dealt with. Of course will stop that clip was | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
from November last year, and things have changed. Two weeks ago he told | :26:19. | :26:26. | |
the BBC" I'm not sure it is working", in reference to air | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
strikes in Iraq, but it is working. We have got to see what happens in | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
Mosul, it is a very high-risk operation, but we also have to face | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
the fact that the people there are living under tyranny at the moment. | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
We have to ask very cirrus question shall stop he says he's not sure it | :26:42. | :26:49. | |
is working, when Mosul is the last major target be cleared of Islamic | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
State in Iraq. The combination of Allied air power has worked, why is | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
he not sure it is working? Because we have seen difficulties in the | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
past. But this was two weeks ago. It is essential that the work is done, | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
both planning for the refugees as Rory Stewart referred to, but also | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
in terms of reconstruction of the city and its community as you | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
mentioned. These are vital. This was about the ability to make progress | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
with Allied air power, special forces in Iraq, on the ground, do | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
you accept so far that has a strategy that seems to be working to | :27:27. | :27:37. | |
read Iraq of Islamic -- to read Iraq of Islamic State the question of the | :27:38. | :27:46. | |
car began placement. Ulloa -- we can't be complacent. The problems | :27:47. | :27:54. | |
they are creating where ever they are urged that we must continue to | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
pursue them. This is the first time we have spoken to since you have | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
become the Shadow Defence Secretary. I hope we will have a longer | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
interview. Will Labour's next manifesto include a commitment to | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
the renewal of Trident? It will We made that commitment in 2007, that | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
is a firm commitment and we will honour that to our coalition allies | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
and our industrial partners and that is the vote which was taken | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
democratically and repeatedly has been reaffirmed by Labour conference | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
and we are a democratic party vote up you have squared that with Jeremy | :28:29. | :28:36. | |
Corbyn? He's in favour of democracy and he understands the situation, | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
but we also want to push for the UK to play a much bigger role on the | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
international stage on multilateral disarmament talks. You were very | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
clear there, I thank you for that. Support for Trident will be in the | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
next Labour manifesto. What has happened to Labour's review of | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
Trident policy? That review has been taking place over the year, we had a | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
very clear reaffirmation in the conference boat this year, we are | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
reaffirming our commitment to Trident -- vote. The review can t | :29:07. | :29:14. | |
change that? There is a process of review and a fair number of issues | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
related to defence, all parties do this. Of course. The review can t | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
change the commitment to Trident? We are not changing the commitment to | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
Trident. Russia is now the main strategic threat to this country? It | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
is a major strategic threat and we have got to work with our Nato | :29:34. | :29:35. | |
allies very closely and make sure that we respond and that we do not | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
let things pass. For example, we should be calling out Russia for the | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
way it has been a bombing humanitarian aid and we should be | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
taking them to international court over this, but we should also be | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
strengthening sanctions, somewhat imposed over Ukraine. We try to do | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
that, but the Italians wouldn't let us. The Italians did not want to | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
participate in the European initiative but that doesn't stop | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
individual countries for the Britain should step up? Yes, we should look | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
at what is practical to impose. Thanks for joining us. | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
Mosul is not the only major battle being waged in the Middle East. | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
The city of Aleppo in northern Syria has seen some of the heaviest | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
bombardment since Syria's five-year-long civil war began. | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
This week Russian warships, in a deliberate show of power, | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
sailed west through the English channel en route to Syria. | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
Nato says it's Russia's "largest surface deployment" since the end | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
of the Cold War in what is thought to be preparation | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
for a final assault on the besieged city of Aleppo. | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
In the city itself fighting resumed overnight - | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
following a 3-day ceasefire - with more air strikes and heavy | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
clashes in the city's rebel-held eastern districts. | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
Almost 500 people have been killed and 2,000 injured | :30:59. | :31:00. | |
since Syrian government forces, backed by Russian air strikes, | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
This week Theresa May condemned Vladimir Putin's involvement | :31:05. | :31:12. | |
in Syria, accusing Moscow of being behind "sickening | :31:13. | :31:14. | |
atrocities" in support of President Assad's regime. | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
But European leaders are divided on how to respond and, | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
with the United States preoccupied with domestic politics, | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
President Putin senses this is his moment to bring the Syrian | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
I'm joined now by the BBC's former Diplomatic and Moscow Correspondent, | :31:29. | :31:37. | |
Bridget Kendall, who is now Master of Peterhouse College in Cambridge. | :31:38. | :31:44. | |
Welcome. Good to see you in the BBC studio again. Let me put up this | :31:45. | :31:52. | |
satellite image of Aleppo here, to get an idea of the scale. It was the | :31:53. | :32:00. | |
biggest city in Syria. It was the commercial capital and a huge | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
cultural hub as well. Almost the New York of Syria, to give you an idea | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
of its significance to the country. Let me show you now how it's been | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
divided. The rebels are now in control of the eastern part, about | :32:15. | :32:22. | |
eight miles long and three miles wide there, they're in purple. They | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
are under great attacks still. Is it inevitable that that purple part | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
falls to the regime? That is what President as Saad, the Russians and | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
the Iranians hope. The fierce bombardments we have seen is part of | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
that. I'm reminded very much in the Russian tactics of what happened in | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
grudgingly in Chechnya in 2000, when the Russians said, a warning for all | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
civilians to lead, and then they went ahead and they basically raised | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
it to the ground. They are talking about Al Nusrah as being one of the | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
rebel groups. They got rid of all of the terrorists. They talk about it | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
being an Al-Qaeda offshoot. The purpose of going in is to get rid of | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
them. You get the civilians out and then you take it. But this isn't | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
like Chechnya. It is much more complex. We have seen an attempt to | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
take Aleppo before, and then there was a rebel counter offensive. It's | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
not so certain. And there are so many different parties involved We | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
have seen the alarm in the west of the extent of the civilian | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
casualties. There have been rumblings in the west of, shouldn't | :33:38. | :33:46. | |
the United States do something? Shouldn't they stop the Syrian air | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
force? This Russian aircraft carrier steaming its way towards the Eastern | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
Mediterranean is a symbolic gesture, both to its own people, but also to | :33:53. | :34:00. | |
the West, to say, don't get involved in Aleppo if we go ahead. Don't try | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
and stop us because we could up the ante. They have not been great | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
visual pictures, because the aircraft carrier looks a bit clapped | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
out, belching out smoke! If the rebel controlled area does fall it | :34:16. | :34:22. | |
would be seen as a great victory for President as Saad and his Russian | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
allies. What is the aim of Russia here? What would they then do, if | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
Aleppo Falls? It is part of a plan that President Putin set out in his | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
UN speech in 2014, before Russia went into Syria. The aim is to put | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
President Assad back in charge. President Putin said this weekend | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
that either is Assad in Damascus, or its Al Nusrah. There is nothing in | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
between. They want to eliminate the argument for a moderate opposition. | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
They want to make it plain that the only way to get a stable Syria is to | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
have Assad back in charge. Even sue argue for a rump steak lit, leaving | :35:05. | :35:13. | |
aside what is happening with IAS. They have already said they want to | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
have an enlarged military presence at their bases. And they have a big | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
naval base. It is. It is a chance to push for this when he sees the West | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
is being distracted and divided Europe and America, by elections and | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
so on. Just before the US elections. The Americans are worried about | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
that, Europeans are being distracted by Brexit. He can push to his | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
maximum advantage now, before there is a new US president. If they do | :35:47. | :35:54. | |
take that part of Aleppo, and that part of northern Syria, does Mr | :35:55. | :36:03. | |
Putin want us to recognise, to admit, that that is now his sphere | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
of influence? I think the rhetoric from the Russians is that they want | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
the West to recognise that they are an equal powerful partner. It's not | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
just the US that runs the writ in the Middle East. Russia is as | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
important as it is. It is engaging with Saudi Arabia and has mended | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
fences with Turkey. Syria is the place from which it can launch its | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
message that it is a big player in the Middle East. Russia wants the | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
West to understand that this isn't a country that was dismembered after | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
the end of the Soviet Union and is now a week. It is back, and it is | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
strong. That is an important message. Looking at the economy It | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
is in recession. GDP has been falling, partly because of the price | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
of oil. It is highly dependent on hydrocarbons, and is expected to | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
fall again. Its people are falling again. People don't realise how | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
small the Russian economy is. Its GDP is about the size of Italy's. It | :37:09. | :37:15. | |
is smaller than the UK economy. Bigger than it was 15 or 20 years | :37:16. | :37:23. | |
ago. But so is Britain's does it help to take people's mind of this? | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
A huge shock to the Russian economy was a drop in the price of oil and a | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
price of gas. A drop in the price of the ruble as well. This is hurting | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
the people of Russia. On the one hand, it is the war in Syria, which | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
is very important for Russia to sort out that part of the world and | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
dispensed terrorists who might be danger to -- is dangerous to Russia. | :37:52. | :37:58. | |
But he had also has presidential election is going up. They are | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
supposed to be 2018, but some feel he will bring them forward to 2 17, | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
because the economy is not doing so well. But you need a good story for | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
the Russian people. Thank you very much. | :38:12. | :38:14. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now | :38:15. | :38:26. | |
This is Sunday politics in the south-east. | :38:27. | :38:28. | |
Coming up later, the Prime Linster has been accused of dither `nd delay | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
It is, to be at least anothdr year before we finally know | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
whether Gatwick, Heathrow or both are allowed to expand. | :38:37. | :38:45. | |
We all get reaction from politicians and protesters | :38:46. | :38:46. | |
Joining me in the studio Gordon Henderson, the Conservative | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
MP for Sittingbourne and Shdppy and Labour's Baroness Maggid Jones. | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
Gordon, it is the first that we have seen you since you spent tile | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
in intensive care in the sulmer you suffered serious burns | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
after trying to light a bonfire with petrol. | :39:03. | :39:04. | |
It was a very stupid thing to do and would like to take this | :39:05. | :39:13. | |
opportunity to remind peopld do not use petrol on bonfires. | :39:14. | :39:15. | |
No matter how safe you think it is and I had been using ht | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
for years, but one occasion it was not safe and that bldw | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
And I know you suffered serhous burns. | :39:23. | :39:29. | |
I'm back to full health, still the paving, my body | :39:30. | :39:42. | |
is still the paving sort yot look of your energy goes into th`t | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
process and it will take up to two years to fully recover but H am back | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
Lesson almost learned because I fell out of a tred again | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
Now, the split in the Labour Party between Jeremy Corbyn supporters | :39:55. | :40:03. | |
and moderates has been no where more pronounced | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
The branch there was suspended pending an investigation into claims | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
of bullying and intimidation and accusations of a ballot run | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
improperly at the party's annual general meeting in July. | :40:13. | :40:14. | |
This week Labour's rulling NEC ordered the local Party, | :40:15. | :40:16. | |
the biggest in the country, to be split into three separate | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
It also expelled Mark Sandell, who was elected chair at th`t AGM. | :40:20. | :40:27. | |
He joins us from our Brighton studio. | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
The Labour Party will not tdll us why they expelled you and s`y | :40:31. | :40:39. | |
they do not comment on individual members so I am hoping you can tell | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
us why you have been kicked out of the party. | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
I was not expelled by the National Executive, | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
there has not been a vote on my expulsion, I was | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
expelled by Ian McNicol, the general secretary, | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
who wrote me a letter, which I have here. | :40:54. | :40:55. | |
It basically is happening because the Brighton | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
and Hove Labour Party was won by the left and an overwhelling | :40:58. | :41:12. | |
style in an AGM 600 and since that vote happened there has been various | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
people panicking about the result and that led to the | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
These are the reasons it is happening and the reasons | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
are because they are trying to silence the left of the party | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
For example, 600 people's votes have basically been | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
The AGM investigation has not come out with any concrete findings | :41:31. | :41:33. | |
and yet we are being told we will be broken down | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
Some people think that is a better system for the local party, | :41:37. | :41:50. | |
the fact is we had a democr`tic meeting which was | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
the investigation has not found any of alleged any of the alleg`tions | :41:54. | :42:02. | |
were upheld, and yet we are facing a situation | :42:03. | :42:04. | |
where still the Labour Partx in Brighton and Hove cannot meet, | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
we are basically voiceless, the ordinary memembers, | :42:12. | :42:13. | |
the existing executive is jtst the old executive left in place | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
the people who won the election have had their vote annulled and be 00 | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
Well, most of them are still members of the constituency Labour Party. | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
There is 15 people suspended and you have been expelled. | :42:25. | :42:26. | |
As you know, there has been other allegations about you in particular | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
and it is against Labour Party rules to be an entryist, in other words, | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
being a member of another p`rty and then join Labour in orddr | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
to influence its politics as you know, you have been ` member | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
of the Alliance for Workers' Liberty for many years on and off | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
and that actively works against the Labour Party. | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
Firstly, the letter I have from Ian McNicol does not claim I am | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
a member of the Alliance Workers Liberty because I am not. | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
What it says is I am an acthve supporter of the Alliance Workers | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
of the Alliance Workers Libdrty which is true and I have | :43:00. | :43:01. | |
and that was well known when I rejoined the Labour Party | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
a few years ago and well known when I stood for | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
There were nine days for people to object to me standing, | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
it was well known when the dlection was held, with people who I defeated | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
in that election were prepared to shake my hand and congratulate me | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
Sorry, we do not have an awful lot of time but Ian McNicol is not here, | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
his job in the wake of Jeremy Corbyn's re-electhon | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
Could it be that someone like yourself, who has spokdn openly | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
about wanting to oust the L`bour MP in Hove, is not the right pdrson | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
is not the right person to chair the constituency Labour | :43:36. | :43:37. | |
If they want to have that dhscussion with me we can have the deb`te | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
Ian McNicol is the person who tried to stop Jeremy Corbyn being able | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
to stand in the second leaddrship election, he is also the person | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
who used ?500,000 of Labour Party money trying to stop, | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
in fact, effectively stopping, hundreds of thousands of new members | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
being able to vote in the sdcond election for Jeremy Corbyn. | :43:59. | :44:00. | |
He does not have a good record on supporting the leader | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
The fact is Jeremy Corbyn h`s been re-elected and Ian McNicol says | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
Maggie Jones, you are a long serving member of the Labour Party | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
The trouble is it will alienate a lot of Jeremy Corbyn supporters | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
That is not going to help unity when you hear what has | :44:21. | :44:29. | |
I think Mark's case is completely different from what is happdning | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
in Brighton and Hove in terls of the NEC decision. | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
That decision was made by elected members that we elected to be | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
the Labour Party NEC, so it is not just a secret | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
cabal, it has been made by our representatives. | :44:43. | :44:44. | |
They decided the Labour Party that used to be | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
in the three constituencies should return to that arrangement | :44:48. | :44:49. | |
and I think that makes perfdct sense because we know | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
there were far too many people to turn up to that meeting. | :44:54. | :44:56. | |
We were mostly victim of our own success, we've got | :44:57. | :44:58. | |
so many members now cannot really organise them as one unit. | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
But what about giving voice to people like Mark, | :45:03. | :45:04. | |
and there are 15 people who have been suspended as well, | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
who do feel as though the top of the party is trying to ptrge left | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
I have not seen the letter and I think Mark's accusations | :45:12. | :45:20. | |
against Ian McNicol are really unfair because he is a partx | :45:21. | :45:22. | |
servant, he is not here to defend himself. | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
His job is to carry out the rules of the NEC and ultimately | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
He is there to carry out thd rules, including rules of membershhp. | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
Mark has already admitted he is a supporter of the Alliance | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
of Workers' Liberty, which is a Trotskyist entryhst group | :45:38. | :45:47. | |
and his membership, he said it was well known, | :45:48. | :45:49. | |
he certainly did not make it well known when I was present at the AGM. | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
I think it is important those people who are entryists | :45:54. | :45:55. | |
That has been a rule of the Labour Party for years | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
and applied consistently, nothing particular about Mark. | :46:00. | :46:01. | |
You will appeal this decision, I understand? | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
There is no rule in the Labour Party but not supporting another | :46:06. | :46:13. | |
organisation that is socialhst politics, there has always been | :46:14. | :46:15. | |
socialists in the Labour Party and it is not a party. | :46:16. | :46:18. | |
There are organisations that are prescribed | :46:19. | :46:20. | |
What they are prescribed by name and those prescriptions werd voted | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
I think by sleight of hand ` rule that to people who stand | :46:24. | :46:30. | |
against the party in elections is being used against socialists. | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
I have never stood against the Labour Party, | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
Again, I think if the gener`l secretary was here they might | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
have a different argument but you have had a chance | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
They are hiding in plain sight, that his hope campaigners described | :46:42. | :46:53. | |
modern-day slaves, men and women trafficked into the country and | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
living here exploited by bosses are unable to leave. The number of | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
police raids were carried ott on suspected brothels in Kent `nd | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
Sussex. In one reader for e`stern European woman were arrested. | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
Joining us is someone from ligrant health UK goose provides support for | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
those victims. What is modern-day slavery and where is it? | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
The simplest way to explain it is where someone is exploited `gainst | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
their will. What trafficking someone is transported as well. It hs | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
unfortunate across the whold country. The Home Office have a | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
prediction there is between ten and 13,000 victims of slavery in the UK | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
at any one time and that estimation is out of date and being reworked. | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
Sexual exploitation, people associate with human trafficking in | :47:49. | :47:55. | |
this region but agricultural workers are also something you are | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
increasingly concerned about? Yeah. The slavery that is more well known | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
and what you would think of is sexual exploitation of labotr | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
exploitation in terms of thd number of cases reported outstrips that, | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
just slightly. In terms of agricultural cases, there h`s been | :48:15. | :48:23. | |
more awareness and may be spotted more. Sort it is just the | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
authorities are getting better at finding it? When the Nation`l | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
referral mechanism started to allow the NGOs and Government to work | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
together there was only a couple of hundred victims last year wd had | :48:39. | :48:45. | |
3500. It is not a 40% incre`se in crime, it is just awareness. We have | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
been trying to raise awarendss of the issue so people are mord aware | :48:51. | :48:53. | |
of so those cases can be reported because often that is how wd get the | :48:54. | :48:59. | |
victims support they need and how the police Bill the intelligence in | :49:00. | :49:02. | |
order to tackle this. What could the authorities do better | :49:03. | :49:09. | |
to expose a less? If there `re up to 13,000 in the UK what are wd not | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
doing well? It is a bit past and the police | :49:14. | :49:20. | |
forces across the country -, big task, it is joining them up to work | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
together. Some police forces last year had not referred anyond whilst | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
in west Yorkshire the referred almost 70 people. And that hs the | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
referral mechanism we talked about earlier. You would like to see more | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
and more prosecutions as well? The in order to have prosecutions unit | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
to give good support to victims and they need to trust the authorities | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
which is very difficult. Often they come from abroad where they have not | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
had good experiences to trust anyone and therefore offering them services | :49:54. | :50:00. | |
allowing them to rehabilitate are very important. The research shows | :50:01. | :50:01. | |
they would then be more willing to they would then be more willing to | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
work with the police in orddr to gather the needed intelligence. | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
The anti-slavery commissiondr has just published his first report and | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
says not enough is being done and in Kent last year the police rdferred | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
87 potential victims through this referral mechanism but none of those | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
resulted in a charge or sumloned to court. | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
This Government has introduced the modern slavery act which will help | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
police and the long-term to suit steps and I am pleased that Kent | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
Police have been this week proactive in trying to track down brothels and | :50:41. | :50:48. | |
arrests have been made, 11 `rrests arrests have been made, 11 `rrests | :50:49. | :50:58. | |
made but no convictions. No convictions were made. It is a | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
difficult task and I am concerned to hear what the James is saying about | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
the labour exploitation in the agricultural sector because I have | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
got a rural constituency and I am fairly confident the farmers in my | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
idiot of responsible farmers who would not be exporting the labour | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
force is what I am sure it goes on. -- the farmers in my area are | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
responsible farmers. The other accusation made is the authorities | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
do not properly understand the relationship between the people | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
exploited and the criminal gangs controlling them. As James `lluded | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
to it is a tricky one and wd're not getting it right. That is one of the | :51:40. | :51:48. | |
things James's organisation is doing a good job about, highlighthng to | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
people this is taking place. We have got to make people understand modern | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
slavery is happening, it cotld be happening next door, it could be | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
happening in the shops they go to, it could be happening in thd | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
community. Like letting people know it is happening so they can look out | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
for it and report it is one step forward. | :52:13. | :52:13. | |
You cannot accuse the Government of You cannot accuse the Government of | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
not doing anything. To May introduced the modern slavery act | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
last year and appointed the Commissioner. -- Theresa Max | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
introduced it. It is an isste of resources. Police numbers h`ve been | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
cut and the appeal in all sorts of directions and we need more police | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
forces with special knowledge of this area and more convictions. I | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
think unless we have the police force that are trained to rdcognise | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
the symptoms and act then one week a year is not enough to sort the | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
problem. That is a good point and I cannot disagree that we need to | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
better trim our police officers to recognise this sort of slavdry - | :52:57. | :53:02. | |
better train or police officers I am delighted Kent the forefront and | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
I am confident they will continue to do that. Thank you for coming into | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
the studio, James. It is a political decision | :53:13. | :53:14. | |
the south-east has been Widespread expectations | :53:15. | :53:16. | |
were that Theresa May would announce week the outcome of | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
the Government's deliberations but we may have to | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
wait some more It seems to be the case | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
of the never But the Government may be one step | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
closer to a conclusion on the issue of airport | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
expansion in This month this Government | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
will take a decision on the appropriate site | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
for expanded This is a subject debated, | :53:44. | :53:44. | |
discussed, speculated on for 40 Last summer the three year dnquiry | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
into airport capacity backed a new third runway at Heathrow, | :53:51. | :53:59. | |
but did not rule out The timetable for the Government's | :54:00. | :54:08. | |
decision looks like this. Next week a Cabinet | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
committee will meet to Ministers will be free for ` short | :54:12. | :54:13. | |
time to restate their views and objections, which should avoid | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
cabinet resignations. Then there will be | :54:19. | :54:19. | |
a public consultation before, in winter 2017-18, | :54:20. | :54:21. | |
Parliament vote on a final plan It could then take | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
a decade before any years says this village would be one | :54:25. | :54:26. | |
of the worst affected by nohse and pollution if a second runwax | :54:27. | :54:38. | |
is given the go-ahead at Gatwick. We have been waiting for cl`rity | :54:39. | :54:41. | |
for the best part of four years now and we were | :54:42. | :54:52. | |
hoping after delaying would have a clear indication | :54:53. | :54:54. | |
of where we stand this week. The impact a second runway | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
would have, obviously there will be a huge increase, | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
all the planes that are currently flying over that direction, | :55:02. | :55:09. | |
they would be about two or 300 metres | :55:10. | :55:11. | |
in that direction so instead of skirting | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
edge of the village they wotld be coming right over it. | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
Their concerns have the support of a group of | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
conservative south-east MPs who also oppose a second runway at G`twick. | :55:23. | :55:24. | |
We're talking about ?100 billion of economic advantage for the Heathrow | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
You would be economically illiterate to go for | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
any other option and quite `part from the fact that we have ` | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
situation where there will be five different | :55:36. | :55:37. | |
go by rail from central London to Heathrow | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
while the Gatwick option is | :55:42. | :55:42. | |
on a line currently frankly that is disaster | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
proposition to suggest we should be putting the extra runway at Gatwick | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
Building a second runway at Gatwick has divided | :55:52. | :55:53. | |
East Sussex County Council says it has | :55:54. | :56:01. | |
pushed the airport to reducd the impact of noise | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
My immediate reaction is an element of | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
I think in the business intdrests of our own community, let | :56:11. | :56:18. | |
alone the whole nation, we need to be getting on and making | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
I would strongly recommend to the Prime Minister | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
that, one, she makes a very firm decision and immediately and | :56:27. | :56:34. | |
secondly she commissions both airports for expansion. | :56:35. | :56:36. | |
But one business Association from Crawley | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
believes the extended process could be good news for thosd | :56:43. | :56:44. | |
We can go back to Government and say why we support the runway at Gatwick | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
and build the case and make sure the Government and the MPs who are | :56:50. | :56:56. | |
going to ultimately vote on it understand why this next runway | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
A spokesman for the airport said, Gatwick | :57:00. | :57:01. | |
expansion is the best option for the country | :57:02. | :57:03. | |
It would give the same economic boost as | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
Heathrow but with less financial and environmental cost and Gatwick | :57:07. | :57:08. | |
expansion can be delivered in just ten years. | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
The decision on where to | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
increase airport capacity is still hanging in the air. | :57:15. | :57:16. | |
There is still some way to travel before the | :57:17. | :57:18. | |
residents and businesses of the South East know | :57:19. | :57:20. | |
Gordon, it is almost not about which way | :57:21. | :57:27. | |
the decision will go, it is the | :57:28. | :57:29. | |
delays that are frustrating people, especially those | :57:30. | :57:30. | |
They have got to wait another year now. | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
Yes, it is, and I can understand the frustration but | :57:35. | :57:36. | |
you must look at the political realities of it, this decishon will | :57:37. | :57:44. | |
upset a lot of people and no Government will rush into that. | :57:45. | :57:47. | |
This decision has not taken a year or two | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
It feels like no Government wants to take that | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
You are right. It'll be a brave Government but it will be m`de. An | :57:53. | :58:03. | |
announcement is going to be made next week and parliament in one | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
year's time and MPs will vote on it and there will not be... We have to | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
make a decision and whatever I decide will be somewhat hypocritical | :58:14. | :58:20. | |
double because I campaigned fiercely against an airport at Thames estuary | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
and for me to seek either or is slightly hypocritical. What about | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
expanding both? It is going to be quicker and cheaper and delhver a | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
vote of economic prosperity for generations. I think we havd to be | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
very careful. Setting aside the business case the actual qu`rter of | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
the air and the whole environmental issue of noise affects hundreds of | :58:45. | :58:51. | |
thousands of people. It would affect far fewer if Gatwick was allowed to | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
build a second runway. The decision must be a business case and I think | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
you have two measure that and I think the business case is on the | :59:02. | :59:07. | |
site of Heathrow but it has to be done on the basis of those | :59:08. | :59:10. | |
environmental and noise predictions are in place and I do not bdlieve | :59:11. | :59:15. | |
they are. I cannot see the point in delaying another year. Somebody | :59:16. | :59:23. | |
somewhere should make the ddcision. Heathrow, Gatwick or both? Both | :59:24. | :59:30. | |
Thank you very much. Now at 60 seconds. | :59:31. | :59:36. | |
Head teachers in West Sussex went to Downing Street to deliver | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
a petition about what they say it a serious funding crisis | :59:40. | :59:41. | |
They say they need ?20 millhon in emergency funding. | :59:42. | :59:44. | |
We will have to continue to look at our staffing ratios and lay have | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
to look at reducing the number of hours we are open for. | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
Police are investigating an allegation and aid | :59:53. | :59:55. | |
to Conservative MP Craig Mackinlay raped a woman in Parliament. | :59:56. | :59:59. | |
Sam Armstrong was arrested and bailed last week. | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
Women in Medway are calling on the local MP to resign | :00:03. | :00:07. | |
from the Waspi all-party parliamentary group. | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
The campaign is known as thd Woman Against State Pension Inequ`lity say | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
Kelly Tolhurst should step down after voting against a motion | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
to support the campaign in a council meeting. | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
And the former Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes, Norman Baker, | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
It is called Throwing Meet @t Tigers and criticises David Cameron for his | :00:23. | :00:29. | |
Soaring Meet At The Tigers. As someone who campaigned for Brexit do | :00:30. | :00:51. | |
you feel like one of the Tigers was throwing the meet at? To thd Mac I | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
find it odd people objected to him find it odd people objected to him | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
calling a referendum. I heard someone say we should not h`ve one | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
because people do not understand. How very patronising. And I thought | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
we would have a Brexit free programme! Thank you to both my | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
guests. Join us again next week Goodbye. | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
go ahead with this policy, I know. And now back to Andrew. | :01:18. | :01:26. | |
So, Brexit, airports, Calais and the chances | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
With what Rory Stewart was saying there, it is clear that Islamic | :01:29. | :01:50. | |
State is losing territory in Iraq now, and could come under pressure | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
in Syria as well. It used to control a whole swathe of the coast of | :01:58. | :02:05. | |
Libya, and is now down to a small area of Sirte in Libya. But | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
curiously, it could make them more dangerous here if they are being | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
driven out of the Maghreb and the Levant, they could be more dangerous | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
here. Discuss. That was a very interesting admission from a | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
government minister, of all people, and a well-informed one. Chasing | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
Isis around the Middle East is about... Like chasing Al-Qaeda | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
around Afghanistan and Pakistan You smash them somewhere, and they pop | :02:35. | :02:44. | |
up somewhere else. He is right to warn that these guys will go | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
somewhere. And it may well be, in Sirte, for example, across the magic | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
oration -- across the Mediterranean into Italy. A lot of the foreign | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
fighters in Mosul have already gone, we heard, which raises the question, | :03:05. | :03:12. | |
to where? I think it is quite right for government ministers to warn | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
that it might have repercussions here. We have been involved in this, | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
with full public consent, as far as we can tell. If it doesn't happen, | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
if there are horrors and outrages here and in the rest of Europe, | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
that's fine. If it does happen, at least the government is prepared. We | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
knew surprised about how categorical Nia Griffith was? She was | :03:36. | :03:47. | |
categorical about support for the Allied action in Iraq, and | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
categorical about Russia. So much so that perhaps written should take | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
tougher sanctions on its own, even if it can't get the Europeans to | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
fall in line. I found that interesting. I was surprised by | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
that. Tom may be right that Rory said more than perhaps he was | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
intending, but I thought that some of what she said sounded politically | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
imprudent in the current context of the Labour Party. I'm not sure she | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
cleared those lines with the Labour office. I'm not sure she and Jeremy | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
are in the same place about it. I'm not sure there is that much | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
leadership. People at the moment get out there and say what they think | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
it's right for the party. She sounded dead right to me. Whether it | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
is ill-advised or not, people should answer... I want to move on, because | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
Brexit never goes away. This week we saw Hilary Benn, former Shadow | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
Foreign Secretary. He is going to be the chair of the select committee in | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
the Commons which will monitor the Department for Brexit. All sorts of | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
people will be coming to give testimony and so one. Let's hear | :05:01. | :05:01. | |
what he told Andrew Marr. I think it will be very important | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
for the government to indicate that if it is not possible within the two | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
years provided for by Article 5 to negotiate both our withdrawal | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
agreement and a new trading relationship, market access, | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
including for services, 80% of our economy, million jobs, | :05:14. | :05:14. | |
in financial services, that it should tell the House | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
of Commons that it will seek a transitional arrangement | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
with the European Union. If the deal is not done at the end | :05:20. | :05:32. | |
of the two-year Article 50 process, would the government go for an | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
interim agreement, or would it fall back on WTO, World Trade | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
Organisation, Rawls? My understanding is the article 15 | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
negotiation doesn't specifically include what Britain's future | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
trading relationship with the EU would be. It is perfectly possible | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
that Article 50 could be triggered, and after two years we don't have a | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
trade deal, but the trade deal negotiations are ongoing when we are | :06:01. | :06:12. | |
outside the EU. But the trade deal negotiations are the most important | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
thing. If Article 50 doesn't cover it, what is it about? Absolutely | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
essential. The trade deal with Canada has taken nine years, and now | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
it looks like it is fading, because of the Walloons. Just one small part | :06:23. | :06:32. | |
of the country. If you cannot do a free-trade deal with Canada, a | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
progressive, social Democratic Canada, who can the EU do a trade | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
deal with? You would think it would be easy with us, because we have all | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
of the level playing field agreements in place. You would hope | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
it would be easier, but it may not be, because in the end, it will | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
hinge on the single market and if we are in or out. If we are in, can we | :06:55. | :07:04. | |
have a small break on immigration? It looks like not. What is | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
interesting about the opinion polls is, in the last two opinion polls | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
there was a significant change in public opinion, where people are now | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
saying they think that actually trade, the economy, the single | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
market is more important than immigration. If it is really true, | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
as the observer is reporting today, that banks are on the move, and in a | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
year's time there could be a significant collapse in the income | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
we get from finance, the income that the Treasury gets, then public | :07:35. | :07:46. | |
opinion might change. They may say, we don't want more immigration, but | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
this isn't a price worth paying Everything tends to be seen through | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
the Brexit lens at the moment. Things are not always as they seem. | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
The Canadian- EU free trade agreement was about increasing free | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
trade between the EU and Canada and therefore subject to the | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
ratification of all members. Any deal we do will not give us the same | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
access we have at the moment. The question is, how much will it be | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
diminished? It may not be subject to the same ratification process. | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
Absolutely right. Another unbelievably technical point that we | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
still don't know is, if we can get this free-trade deal with the EU at | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
the same time as our Brexit talks and deal, the divorce deal as well | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
as the remarriage deal, then one gets signed off by QM V. The trade | :08:42. | :08:50. | |
deal may still need all 28, all 27, including the people from the | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
Walloons. And the MEPs. The majority of parliament. This is exactly why | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
Theresa May would like the transitional deal to push this one | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
deeper. I was surprised to hear Hilary Benn pushing this line this | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
morning. The remainers have been all over the place. They wanted a vote | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
after Article 50 had been triggered about the deal. Then they wanted a | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
vote before Article 50. Now they are talking about a vote before article | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
Article 50 is triggered about a trade deal. They need to make up | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
their minds about what it is they are pushing for, and what their best | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
hope of obstructing Brexit is, and stick with it. Something else we see | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
through the Brexit lens, which isn't always helpful, is Calais. The | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
French bulldozers will move in tomorrow. We will see some pretty | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
disturbing scenes on the TV. We will see some horrible scenes. The | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
government has handled this very badly. Having passed an amendment in | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
April saying we would take something like 3000 children, a lot of those | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
children have disappeared. Save the Children, one of the charities | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
there, are very worried that people traffickers have been in there, and | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
a lot of those children have vanished. We haven't sent social | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
workers in. No preparations have been made what ever. You are raising | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
an interesting point. We don't know how many we are meant to be taking. | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
The huge argument has arisen over what the age is of some of the ones | :10:31. | :10:38. | |
coming in. Is this another problem for the Home Office? To some extent. | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
Didn't Theresa May 's too well to survive six weeks of this? Amber | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
Rudd has been there for three months. It is clear that the Home | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
Office didn't prepare for this. They didn't prepare for the age | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
verification or when it will go It needs to be an perfect. We don't | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
know how many we will take, because the Home Office will not say. I want | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
to talk about airport capacity, but I won't, because I don't think we | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
have anything to say about it until the statement on Tuesday from | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
Transport Minister Grayling. When you look at the polls and see the | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
decision on airport runway expansion being kicked into the long grass for | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
a year, are we heading for an early election next year or not? I think | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
Theresa May will do everything she can to avoid it. If there is an | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
election before 2020, it is bound to be about Europe, and that is a much | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
harder case for her to win than just a question of who is the best Prime | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
Minister. She will have a tough time, because it will be a general | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
election about in or out of the single market. Half of her party | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
will peel away. How do she conduct a general election when the likes of | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
Anna Soubry will not stand on the same platform? It will be difficult. | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
But she may reach such a stalemate that she just calls one. No general | :12:08. | :12:15. | |
election next year because it will split the Tory party. There will be | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
won in 2019 when she cannot get Brexit through the House of Commons. | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
You really can have too much of a good thing. I just want to show a | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
little clip of the former Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls, from Strictly | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
last night. Let's just watch this. There he is. | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
Where is the hand? That is the worrying bit! We will no longer be | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
saying that Ed Balls is a safe pair of hands! Can we agree on that? | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
Remarkable that he was once the man most feared by David Cameron! Labour | :12:56. | :13:04. | |
leader 2021. He has hit popular culture in the way that many few | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
politicians do. Charm, gusto, bravery, no worries about being | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
embarrassed. All the things that you don't like about being a politician. | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
We have run out of time. You can get it on social media. | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
Jo Coburn will be back with the Daily Politics tomorrow | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
And I'll be back here next Sunday at the same time. | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:31. | :14:04. | |
Everyone's living these amazing lives, | :14:05. | :14:07. |