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Morning folks - welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Theresa May says she'll deliver on Brexit but does that mean leaving | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
the EU's Single Market and the Customs Union? | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
Tory MPs campaign for a commitment from the Prime | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
The Chancellor pledges just over a billion pounds worth of spending | :00:50. | :01:02. | |
on Britain's roads but is that it or will there be | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
Their last leader was just 18 days in the job. | :01:09. | :01:15. | |
And in the South East: As more post offices move | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
into newsagents and even chtrches, we ask, are you still getting | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
in London: Is the battle for Richmond Park based on the skies? Or | :01:21. | :01:28. | |
is it about a bigger conflict in Europe? | :01:29. | :01:36. | |
And with me - as always - and, no, these three aren't doing | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
the Mannequin challenge - it's our dynamic, demonstrative | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
dazzling political panel - Helen Lewis, Isabel Oakeshott | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
and Tom Newton Dunn they'll also be tweeting throughout the programme. | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
First this morning - Theresa May has said | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
"Brexit means Brexit" - but can the Prime Minister - | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
who was on the Remain side of argument during the referendum | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
Well, Leave-supporting Tory MPs are re-launching | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
the "European Research Group" this morning to keep Mrs May's feet | :02:09. | :02:16. | |
Are you worried that you cannot trust Theresa May until payment to | :02:17. | :02:25. | |
deliver full Brexit was Magellan like I totally trust Theresa May, | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
100% behind her. She has displayed a massive amount of commitment to | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
making a success of Brexit for the country. | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
We don't know that yet, because nothing has happened. Why, then | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
have you formed a pressure group? We were fed up with the negativity | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
coming out around Brexit. I feel positive about the opportunities we | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
face, and we are a group to provide suggestions. Who do you have in mind | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
when you talk about negativity the Chancellor? No, from the Lib Dems, | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
for example, from Labour MPs. This is a pressure group for leaving | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
membership of the single market and customs union, correct? That is what | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
we are proposing. It has a purpose other than just to combat | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
negativity. When it comes to membership of the single market and | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
the customs union, can you tell us what Government policy is towards | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
both or either? Rightly, the Government hasn't made the position | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
clear, and I think that is the right approach, because we don't want to | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
review our negotiating hand. What we're saying... I'm not asking what | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
you are saying. Can you tell us what Government policy is towards | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
membership of these institutions? The Government wants to make sure | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
British businesses have the right to trade with EU partners, to forge new | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
trade deals with the rest of the world. We hope to Reza may speak at | :03:55. | :04:02. | |
Mansion house this week. -- we had Theresa May speak at Mansion house | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
this week. She has been clear, saying it was not a binary choice. | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
And she's right. Let's run that tape, because I want to pick up on | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
what she did say. This is what she had to say about the customs union | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
at Prime Minister's Question Time. On the whole question of the customs | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
union, trading relationships that we have with the European Union and | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
other parts of the world once we have left the European Union, we are | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
preparing carefully for the formal negotiations. We are preparing | :04:33. | :04:42. | |
carefully for the formal negotiations. We want to ensure we | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
have the best possible trading deal with the EU once we have left. Do | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
you know what she means when she says being in the customs union is | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
not a binary choice? I think she's right when she says that. At the | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
moment, and you know this, as long as we are in the customs union, we | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
cannot set our own tariffs or rules, cannot have a free trade agreement | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
with the US or China. We need to leave a customs union to do that. | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
Binary means either you are in or you are out, self which is it? We | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
still want to trade with the EU and I think we can have a free trade | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
agreement with the EU. That is a separate matter, and it has to do | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
with the single market. What about the customs union? We need to leave | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
the customs union. We do it and properly. That is how to get the | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
most out of this opportunity. Summit is a binary choice? The Prime | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
Minister is right when she says it's not a binary choice. Both can't be | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
right. We can leave the customs union, get their benefits, and have | :05:46. | :05:53. | |
a free trade agreement with zero tariffs with the EU. So it is a | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
binary choice an either be stale really. Yellow like I am saying the | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
Prime Minister is right when she says it is not a binary choice. -- I | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
am saying the Prime Minister is right. We need clarity. Youth had | :06:09. | :06:16. | |
said -- you have said it is a binary choice. We need to leave the | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
constraints of the customs union. It pushes up prices. The EU is not | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
securing the right trade deals, and if we want to make the most of it, | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
we need to get out there and get some deals going. Do you accept that | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
if we remain in the customs union, we cannot do our own free-trade | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
deals? Yellow right 100%. That is why we have to leave. -- 100%. Do | :06:39. | :06:54. | |
you accept that if we leave the customs union but stay with | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
substantial access, I don't say membership, but substantial access | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
to the single market, that goods going from this country to the | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
single market because we're no longer in the union will be subject | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
to complicated rules of origin regulations, which could cost | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
business ?13 billion a year? I would like to see a free-trade agreement | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
between the UK and the EU. Look at the Canadian deal. I give you that, | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
but if we're not in the customs union, things that we bring in on | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
our own tariffs once we've left we can't just export again willy-nilly | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
to the EU. They will demand to see rules of origin. Norway has to do | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
that at the moment and it is highly complicated expensive. I think if we | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
agree a particular arrangement as part of this agreement with the EU, | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
we can reach an agreement on that which sets a lower standard, which | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
sets a different level of tariffs, which protects some of our | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
industries. Let's suppose we have pretty much free trade with the EU | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
but we are out of the customs union, and let's suppose that the European | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
Union has a 20% tariff on Japanese whisky and we decide to have a % | :08:09. | :08:17. | |
tariff - what then happens to the whisky that comes into Britain and | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
goes on to the EU? The EU will not let that in. That will be part of | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
the negotiation. I think there is a huge benefit for external operators. | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
Every bottle of Japanese whisky they will have to work out the rules | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
of origin. There have been studies that show there is a potential for | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
50% increase in global product if we leave. We're losing the benefits of | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
free trade. I understand, I am asking for your particular view | :08:49. | :08:49. | |
Thank you for that. Is it not surprising Mr Hannan could | :08:50. | :08:58. | |
not bring himself to say we would leave the customs union? It is | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
messy. The reason there is this new group of Tory MPs signing up to a | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
campaign to make sure we get a genuine Brexit is because there is | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
this vacuum. It is being filled with all sorts of briefing from the other | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
side. There is a real risk in the minds of Brexit supporting MPs that | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
the remaining side are going to try to hijack the process, not only | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
through the Supreme Court action, which I think most Brexit MPs seem | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
to accept the appeal will fail, but further down the line, through | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
amendments to the great repeal bill. This is a pressure group to try to | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
hold the Prime Minister to account. There is plenty of pressure on the | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
Prime Minister effectively to stay in the single market and the customs | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
union, and if you do both of these things, de facto, you have stayed in | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
the EU. She is in a difficult position because there is no good | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
faith assumption about what Theresa May wants because she was a | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
Remainer. There is all this talk about a transitional arrangement, | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
but she can't sell that as someone who voted to remain. The way Isabel | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
has characterised it is interesting. There is a betrayal narrative. | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
Everyone is looking to say that she has betrayed the true Brexit. Since | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
the Government cannot give a clear indication of what it once in terms | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
of the customs union, which sets external tariffs, or the single | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
market, which is the free movement of people, capital, goods and | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
services, others are filling this vacuum. Right. The reasons they | :10:37. | :10:44. | |
can't do this are, first, they don't know if they can get it or not. We | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
saw this with the renegotiation the last Prime Minister. What are they | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
hoping to get? The world on a stick, to get cake and eat it. You go into | :10:55. | :11:04. | |
a negotiation saying, let's see what we can get in total. Are they going | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
to ask the membership of the single market? Yellow I think they will ask | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
for a free trade agreement involving everything. You can demand what you | :11:13. | :11:25. | |
want. The question is, do they stand a cat's chance in hell of getting | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
it? They don't know. Welcome back. We will be back, believe me. It is | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
150 day since we found out the UK had voted to leave the EU, but as we | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
have heard, remain and leave campaigners continue to battle about | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
what type of relationship we should have with the EU after exit. | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
Leave campaigners say that leaving the EU | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
also means quitting the | :11:56. | :11:56. | |
Single Market, the internal European trading bloc that includes free | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
movement of goods, services, capital and people. | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
They point to evidence that leading Leave supporting | :12:02. | :12:02. | |
politicians ruled out staying in the Single Market during | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
Andrea Leadsom, for example, said it would almost | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
certainly be the case that the UK would come out of the Single Market. | :12:08. | :12:16. | |
When asked for a yes or no on whether the UK should stay | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
"No, we should be outside the Single Market." | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
And Boris Johnson agreed with his erstwhile ally, saying, "Michael | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
Gove was absolutely right to say the UK | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
They've released a video of clips of Leave campaigners speaking before | :12:30. | :12:40. | |
the referendum apparently saying that the UK should stay in the | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
Nigel Farage, for example, once said that on leaving | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
the EU we'll find ourselves part of the European economic area | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
Owen Paterson, the former Environment Secretary, | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
once made the startling statement that only a madman would actually | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
And Matthew Elliott, the Vote Leave chief, said | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
that the Norwegian option would be initially attractive for some | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
But do these quotes create an accurate picture of what | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
To cast some light on where these quotes came from we're | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
joined by James McGrory, director of Open Britain | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
Welcome to the Sunday Politics. . Your video has statements from leave | :13:20. | :13:33. | |
campaigners hinting they want to stay in the single market. How many | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
were made during the referendum campaign? I don't know. Not one was | :13:37. | :13:44. | |
made during the referendum campaign. Indeed, only two of the 12 | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
statements were recorded after Royal assent had been given to the | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
referendum. Only one was made this year before the referendum. | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
Throughout the campaign am a leave campaigners lauded the Norwegian | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
model. Norway are in the single market but not in the EU. They went | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
out of their way not to be pinned down on a specific trading | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
arrangement they want to see in the future with Europe, when the | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
Treasury model the different models it was the EEA or a free-trade | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
agreement. I understand. Does it not undermine your case that none of the | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
12 statements on your video were made during the campaign itself | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
when people were giving really serious thought to such matters The | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
Leave campaign weren't giving serious thought to such matters | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
They did not set out the future trading model they wanted to see. | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
But you cannot produce a single video with somebody saying we should | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
stay in the single market during the campaign. Daniel Hanna had talked | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
about the Norwegian model as a future option. One comment from | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
Nigel Farage dates back to 2009 when we didn't even know if we would | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
have a referendum or not. Does it not stretch credibility to go back | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
to the time when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister? The overall point | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
stands. It is not supposed to be an exhaustive list of the options. | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
Daniel Hannan, described as the intellectual godfather of the Leave | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
movement is saying that no one is talking about threatening our place | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
in the signal market. I think it's legitimate to point out the Leave | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
campaign never came forward with a credible argument. We have | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
highlighted some of the quotes you picked out from leave campaigners | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
over time. Do you think you have fully encapsulated their arguments | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
accurately? I don't think in a 2nd video you can talk about the full | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
thing. -- a 90-2nd video. Some of them want to seek a free-trade | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
agreement, some to default on to World Trade Organisation tariffs. | :15:49. | :15:56. | |
There is a range of opinion in the Leave campaign. Let's listen to the | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
clip you used on Owen Paterson first. | :15:59. | :15:59. | |
Only a madman would actually leave the market. | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
Only a madman would actually leave the market. | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
It's not the EU which is | :16:12. | :16:12. | |
a political organisation delivering the prosperity and buying our goods. | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
It's the market, it's the members of the market and we'll carry on | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
I mean, are we really suggesting that the | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
economy in the world is not going to come to come | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
to a satisfactory trading arrangement with the EU? | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
Are we going to be like Sudan and North | :16:27. | :16:28. | |
It is ludicrous this idea that we are going to leap off a | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
What he said when he said only a madman would leave Europe, was that | :16:33. | :16:46. | |
we would continue to trade, we would continue to have access. Any country | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
in the world can have access. What the Leave campaign suggested is our | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
trade would continue uninterrupted, they are still at it today, David | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
Davis used the phrase, uninterrupted, from the dispatch box | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
recently. You misrepresented him by saying only a madman would leave the | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
Single Market and stopped it there, because he goes onto say that of | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
course we want Leave in the sense of continuing to have access. I don't | :17:10. | :17:10. | |
think he was about axis, he is talking | :17:11. | :17:29. | |
about membership. He doesn't use the word membership at all. He talks | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
about we are going to carry on trading with them, we will not leap | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
off, we will carry on trading. Anybody can trade with the EU, it's | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
the terms on which you trade that is important and leave campaigners and | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
Patterson is an example of this saying we can trade as we do now, | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
the government saying we can trade without bureaucratic impediments and | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
tariff free. The viewers will make up their mind. Let's listen to the | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
views of Matthew Elliott, the Chief Executive of Vote Leave. | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
When it comes to the Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
it might be initially attractive for some business people. | :17:52. | :17:53. | |
So you then cut him off there but this is what he went on to say in | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
the same clip, let's listen to that. When it comes to the Norwegian | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initially attractive | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
for some business people. But then again for voters | :18:05. | :18:06. | |
who are increasingly concerned about migration in the EU, | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
they will be very concerned that it allows free movement | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
of people to continue. Again, you have misrepresented him. | :18:13. | :18:24. | |
He said the Norwegian model has attractions but there are real | :18:25. | :18:26. | |
problems if it involves free movement of people, which it does. | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
But you cut that bit out. I challenge anyone to represent them | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
accurately because they took such a range of opinions. I don't know what | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
we are supposed to do. You are misrepresenting them. He is saying | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
the Norwegian option is attractive to business, I understand why. It | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
might not be attractive for voters. But then he said if it allowed free | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
movement of people it could be an issue. You took that out. You are | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
saying this is a definitive position. I'm suggesting you are | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
distorting it. This is what you had Mr Farage say. | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
On D+1 we'll find ourselves part of the European economic area | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
This is what he then went on to say in that same clip that you didn t | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
run. There is absolutely | :19:14. | :19:14. | |
nothing to fear in terms of trade from leaving | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
the on D+1 we'll find ourselves part | :19:17. | :19:17. | |
of the European Economic Area and we should use our | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
membership of the EEA as a holding position from which | :19:22. | :19:30. | |
we can negotiate as the European Union's biggest export | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
market in the world, as good a deal, my goodness me, | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
if Switzerland can have one we So there again, he says not that we | :19:37. | :19:46. | |
should stay in the Single Market as a member, but that we stay in the EA | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
as a transition until we negotiate something. -- EEA. This whole clip | :19:52. | :20:01. | |
is online, how would you get away with this distortion? It is not a | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
distortion, the whole point is to point out they do not have a | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
definitive position, he is arguing for membership of the Single Market, | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
for a transitional period. For the transition. How long does that go | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
on, what does he want to then achieve? Not very quickly but he | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
does not say we should stay members of the Single Market and you didn't | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
let people see what he went on to say, you gave the impression he | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
wanted to stay in the one it. It would not be a video then, it would | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
be a seven-week long lecture. They took so many positions, and the idea | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
now that they were clear with people that we should definitely leave the | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
Single Market I think is fictitious. You are trying to make out they all | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
had one position which was to remain members of the one it. You see the | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
full clips that is not what they are saying. We are trying to point out | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
there is no mandate to leave the Single Market. The idea the Leave | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
campaign spoke with unanimity and clarity of purpose and throughout | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
the whole campaign said we will definitely leave the Single Market | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
is not true. That is the whole point of the media. We showed in the | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
montage in the video just before we came on, we said that then Prime | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
Minister, the then Chancellor, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, being | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
categorical that if you vote to leave the EU, you vote to leave | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
membership of the Single Market What bit of that didn't you | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
understand? Under duress they occasionally said they wanted to | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
leave. Some of them wanted to leave the Single Market. All of the other | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
promises they made, whether ?35 million for the NHS, whether a VAT | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
cut on fuel, points-based system. You do not have a single quote of | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
any of these members saying they want to be a member. Daniel Hannan | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
has said consistently that Norway are a part of the Single Market You | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
spend the referendum campaign criticising for Rim misrepresenting | :21:46. | :21:47. | |
and misrepresenting and lying and many thought they did. Having seen | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
this many will conclude that you are the biggest liars. I think it is | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
perfectly reasonable to point out that the Leave campaign did not have | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
a clear position on our future trading relationship with Europe. | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
That is all this video does. It doesn't say we definitely have to | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
stay in the Single Market, it just says they do have a mandate to drag | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
us out of our biggest trading partner. | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
Now people have seen the full quotes in context our viewers will make up | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
their mind. Thank you. Now - voting closes next week | :22:14. | :22:15. | |
in the the Ukip leadership contest. The second Ukip leadership contest | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
this year after the party's first female leader - Diane James - | :22:19. | :22:20. | |
stood down from the role Since then the party's lurched from | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
farce to fiasco. It's a world gripped by uncertainty, | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
split into factions. Yes, 2, because they're | :22:27. | :22:42. | |
having their second Watch as the alpha male, | :22:43. | :22:51. | |
the Ukip leader at Nigel Watch as the alpha male, | :22:52. | :22:59. | |
the Ukip leader Nigel Farage, hands power to the new alpha | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
female Diane James. The European Parliament | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
in Strasbourg, October. Another leading light and possible | :23:05. | :23:18. | |
future leader, the MEP Steven Wolfe, | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
has been laid low after an alleged tussle with a colleague | :23:22. | :23:23. | |
during a meeting. A few days later he is | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
out of hospital and I will be withdrawing my | :23:27. | :23:28. | |
application to become I'm actually withdrawing | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
myself from Ukip. You're resigning from the party | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
I'm resigning with immediate effect. And this week a leaked document | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
suggested the party improperly spent EU funds on political | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
campaigning in the UK. Another headache for whoever takes | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
over the leadership of the pack One contender is Suzanne Evans, | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
a former Tory councillor and was briefly suspended for | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
disloyalty. Also standing, Paul Nuttall, | :24:00. | :24:08. | |
an MEP from Liverpool who has been by Farage's side | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
as his deputy for six years. There's another big beast | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
in the Ukip leadership contest, and I'm told | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
that today he can be spotted He's John Rees-Evans, | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
a businessman and adventurer who is offering members the chance | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
to propose policies via a website We've got really dedicated | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
passionate supporters who feel like they're not really | :24:31. | :24:44. | |
being listened to and are not even Typically what happens | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
is they just basically sit there until six months before | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
a General Election when they are contacted and asked to go out | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
and leaflet and canvas. Even at branch level people feel | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
there is not an adequate flow of communication | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
up-and-down the party. Are you not going to take part in | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
any hustings? He left a hustings saying | :25:00. | :25:08. | |
the contest was an establishment coronation and has | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
made colourful comments in the past. He's in favour of the death penalty | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
for crimes like paedophilia. I think there is a clear | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
will amongst the offences should be dealt with | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
decisively. But again, on an issue like that, | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
that is something that Our members are not | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
going to agree with me on everything and I don't believe that | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
I would have any authority to have the say and determine | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
the future What method would you use | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
for the death penalty? Again, that is something that could | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
be determined by suggestions made So you'd have like an online | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
poll about whether you use the electric chair, | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
or lethal injection? For example, arguments would be made | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
in favour of This is such a small aspect | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
of what I'm standing for. Essentially, in mainstream media | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
they try to by focusing on pretty irrelevant | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
details. This is one vote that | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
the membership would have. What I'm actually trying to do | :26:06. | :26:07. | |
in this party is to revolutionise the democratic | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
process in the UK, and that's really what your viewers should | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
be concentrating on. With him at the helm he reckons Ukip | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
would win at Meanwhile, in New York, | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
on a visit to Trump Tower, Nigel Farage admired the plumage | :26:21. | :26:28. | |
of the President-elect, a man he has described as | :26:29. | :26:37. | |
a silverback gorilla, a friendship that's been condemned by some | :26:38. | :26:39. | |
in this leadership contest. There are also elections | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
to the party's National Executive Committee, a body | :26:43. | :26:44. | |
that's been roundly criticised by And we're joined now by two | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
of the candidates in the Ukip leadership election - | :26:48. | :27:02. | |
Suzanne Evans and Paul Nuttall. We are going to kick off by giving | :27:03. | :27:12. | |
each of them 30 seconds to lay out their case as to why they would be | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
the less leader starting with Suzanne Evans. | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
Ukip is at its best when it is scaring the political establishment, | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
forcing it to address those problems it would rather ignore. But it | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
really change people's lives for the better and fast, we need to win | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
seats and elections right across the country. To win at the ballot box we | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
need to attract more women, more ethnic | :27:34. | :27:52. | |
minorities, and more of those Labour voters who no longer recognise their | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
party. I know how to do that. Ukip under my | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
leadership will be the same page about it, common-sense, radical | :27:59. | :28:00. | |
party it has always been, just even more successful. Thank you, Suzanne | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
Evans, Paul Nuttall. I'm standing on a platform of unity and experience. | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
I believe the party must come together if it is to survive and | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
prosper. I believe I'm the best candidate to ensure that happens, I | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
am not part of any faction in the party, and beyond that I have done | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
every single job within the party, whether that is as head of policy, | :28:14. | :28:15. | |
whether that is Party Chairman, deputy leader for Nigel for the past | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
six years. I believe Ukip has great opportunities in Labour | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
constituencies where we can move in and become the Patriot invoice of | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
working people, and beyond that we have to ensure the government's feet | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
are held to the fire on Brexit and we get real Brexit, not a | :28:28. | :28:34. | |
mealy-mouthed version. How will you get a grip on this? People have to | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
realise that the cause is bigger than any personality, we have to get | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
together in a room and sort out not just a spokespeople role but roles | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
within the organisation, Party Chairman, party secretary, and | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
whatnot. But as I say, Ukip must unite, we are on 13% in the opinion | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
polls, the future is bright, there are open goals but Ukip must be on | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
the pitch to score them. He says he's the only one that can get a | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
grip on this party. I disagree, I have a huge amount of experience in | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
the party as well and also a background that I think means I can | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
help bring people together. I have always said nothing breeds unity | :29:10. | :29:19. | |
faster than success and under my leadership we will be successful. | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
There is concern about the future of our National Executive Committee | :29:23. | :29:24. | |
going forward. Mr Farage called it the lowest grade of people I have | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
ever met, do you agree? I think he must have been having a bad day I | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
think we need to make it more accountable to the membership, more | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
open, more democratic. What would you do with the National Executive | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
Committee? I have been calling for the National Executive Committee to | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
be elected reasonably since 201 giving the members better | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
communication lines and make it far more transparent. Would you have a | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
clear out of the office? I wouldn't, I think the chairman of the party, | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
Paul Upton, the interim chairman, is doing a good job and the only person | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
who has come out of the summer with his reputation enhanced. Let me show | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
you a picture we have all seen of your current leader, Mr Farage, with | :30:01. | :30:07. | |
President-elect Donald Trump. Paul Nuttall, you criticise Mr Farage's | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
decision to appear at rallies during the American election and called Mr | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
Trump appalling. Do you stick by that? I wouldn't have voted for him. | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
I made it clear. Do you still think he's appalling now that he is | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
President-elect? Some of the things he said were appalling during the | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
campaign that he said. But he would be good for Britain, trade, | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
pro-Brexit and he is an Anglo file and the first thing he did was put | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
the bust of Winston Churchill back in the Oval Office. You, Suzanne | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
Evans, called Mr Trump one of the weakest candidates the US has had. I | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
said the same about Hillary Clinton. They cannot both be the weakest The | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
better candidate on either side would have beaten the other, that is | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
quite clear. Do you stand by that, or are you glad that your leader Mr | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
Farage has strong ties to him? I am, why wouldn't I be? For Ukip to have | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
that direct connection, it can be only good for a party. Were you not | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
out of step and Mr Farage is in step because it looks like your vote is | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
according to polling I have seemed like Mr Trump and his policies? Let | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
me finish. If I am the leader of Ukip I will not be involving myself | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
in foreign elections, I will because in trading here in this country | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
ensuring we get Ukip people elected to council chambers and get seats in | :31:24. | :31:24. | |
2020. The other thing your leader has in | :31:25. | :31:34. | |
common with Mr Trump is that he rather admires Vladimir Putin. Do | :31:35. | :31:41. | |
you? I don't. If you look at Putin's record, he has invaded Ukraine and | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
Georgia. I am absolutely not a fan. I think that Vladimir Putin is | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
pretty much a nasty man, but beyond that, I believe that in the Middle | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
East, he is generally getting it right in many areas. We need to | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
bring the conflict... Bombing civilians? We need to bring the | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
conflict to an end as fast as possible. The British and American | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
line before Donald Trump is to support rebels, including one is | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
affiliated to Al-Qaeda, to the Taliban. We need to clear these | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
people out and ensure that Syria becomes stable. This controversial | :32:24. | :32:31. | |
breaking point poster from during the referendum campaign. Mr Farage | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
unveiled it, there he is standing in front of it. You can bend it - do | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
you still? Yes, I think it was the wrong poster at the wrong time. I | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
was involved with the vote Leave campaign as well as Ukip's campaign, | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
and I felt strongly that those concerned about immigration were | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
already going to vote to leave because it was a fundamental truth | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
that unless we left the European Union we couldn't control | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
immigration. I thought it was about approaching those soft wavering | :32:58. | :33:06. | |
voters who weren't sure. I don't think I said it was racist, but it | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
was about sovereignty and trade and so forth. That was where we needed | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
to go. I was concerned it might put off some of those wavering voters. | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
People may well say, it was part of the winning campaign. It was Ukip | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
shock and all, which is what you stand for and what makes you | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
different. I said I would know how that I said I would not have gone | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
for that person and I thought it was wrong to do it just a week out from | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
the referendum. However, I believe it released legitimate concerns | :33:39. | :33:45. | |
with a deluge of people making their way from the Middle East and Africa | :33:46. | :33:53. | |
into the European continent. Where is the low hanging fruit for you, | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
particularly in England? Is it Labour or Conservative voters? I | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
want to hang onto the Conservative voters we have got but I think the | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
low hanging fruit is Labour. Jeremy Corbyn won't sing the national | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
anthem, Emily Thornbury despises the English flag. Diane Abbott thinks | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
anyone talking about immigration is racist. Not to mention John | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
McDonnell's feelings about the IRA. Labour has ceased to be a party for | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
working people and I think Ukip is absolutely going to be that party. | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
It is clear, I absolutely concur with everything Suzanne has said. I | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
first voiced this back in 2008 that I believe Ukip has a fantastic | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
opportunity in working-class communities, and everyone laughed at | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
me. It is clear now that we resonate with working people, and you have | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
seen that in the Brexit result. Would you bring back the death | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
penalty? It wouldn't be Ukip policy. Absolutely not. Would you give more | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
money to the NHS and how would your fanatic? You like it is important to | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
fund it adequately, and it hasn t been to date. We promised in our | :34:59. | :35:08. | |
manifesto that we would give more money. Where does the money come | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
from? It is about tackling health tourism. I think the NHS is being | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
taken for a ride at the moment. That may be right, but where does the | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
money come from? It is about scaling back management in the NHS, because | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
that has burgeoned beyond control. They are spending far more money on | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
management. Where would you save money? We need to look at HS two, | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
foreign aid. Now we have Brexit and we will be saving on the membership | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
fee. We need to cut back on management, as Suzanne says. It | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
cannot be right that 51% of people who work for the NHS in England are | :35:46. | :35:52. | |
not clinically qualified. The NHS needs money now - where would you | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
get it? From HS two. That is capital spending spread over a long period. | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
Where will you get the money now? OK, another one. We spent ?25 | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
million every day on foreign aid to countries who sometimes are richer | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
than ourselves. Through the Barnett formula. You would take money away | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
from Scotland? Yes, I think they get far too much. PG tips or Earl Grey? | :36:18. | :36:33. | |
Colegrave. PG tips. Strictly come dancing or X Factor? Neither. | :36:34. | :36:41. | |
Strictly. I would love to be on it one day. There you go. Thank you | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
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We find out what can be dond if your local footpaths aren't | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
Joining me in the studio today are Tom Tugendhat, Conservative MP | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
for Tonbridge and Malling and Liberal Democrat MEP | :38:06. | :38:06. | |
for the south east, Catherine Bearder. | :38:07. | :38:08. | |
Do you regularly use your local post office? | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
Does it matter to you where it's located? | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
If the counters are in a newsagent, or even a church is that just | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
as good as an old-fashioned stand-alone post office? | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
We'll hear shortly from Tom Tugenhadt about why he's | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
fighting to stop Tonbridge post office moving into | :38:24. | :38:24. | |
But first Sara Neville has been to Tom's constituency | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
and to Whistable to find out what campaigners and customdrs want. | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
The Post Office has been a cornerstone of the communhty | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
Not just somewhere to buy stamps but a local harbour, | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
Not just somewhere to buy stamps but a local hub, | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
a treasured provider of many essential services. | :38:40. | :38:40. | |
Branches like this one in H`rlow are slowly disappearing | :38:41. | :38:42. | |
from our high streets, replaced with franchisees, | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
often in the newsagent, supermarket or petrol station. | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
Because the Post Office is changing, going through an aggressive | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
cost-cutting and modernisathon programme, that many | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
in the south-east is costing jobs and eroding vital local services. | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
Since splitting from the Roxal Mail in 2012, the ailing post office has | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
been propped up by nearly ?2 billion from the government. | :38:57. | :38:58. | |
In Kent and Sussex, there are now around 400 branches, but 97.5% | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
Leaving just ten in the hands of the Post Office, known | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
The growing town of Tonbridge has one of them. | :39:06. | :39:14. | |
The Post Office wants to move this ultramodern stand-alone branch | :39:15. | :39:16. | |
from here 100 metres around the corner to hear, | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
The Post Office says it will retain its Crown status, | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
but almost 1500 people have signed a petition opposing the plan. | :39:23. | :39:24. | |
You go in the post office on Monday on pension day and you | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
If they moved it to a retail outlet around the corner, it | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
It's not going to be any good for us. | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
Having their own premises is beneficial, but it is a sign | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
Whitstable, another town, another campaign. | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
This church, tucked away in a backstreet, now houses | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
after months of seeing people queueing outside | :39:47. | :39:58. | |
But the tranquillity of this new location belies the furx | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
of local people who say thehr town needs and accessible | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
This is a temporary solution put forward by the communitx. | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
What we need is a proper post office, which we had | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
until Post Office Limited used the closure of the old building | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
We demonstrated against that, we occupied the building, | :40:18. | :40:25. | |
we shamed the company into providing a temporary portakabin servhce. | :40:26. | :40:27. | |
But franchisees are not secure and our town needs | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
Unions representing post office workers blame | :40:31. | :40:43. | |
It is a public institution which is much cherished, | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
with great heritage, and it is being run into thd ground. | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
It has a business plan which quite frankly will never | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
It has been shrinking now for over 28 years. | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
It's half the size that it used to be. | :40:59. | :41:06. | |
And it's the Crown Offices that they are now franchising, | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
This week, impassioned MPs let to discuss the issue. | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
The minister responsible sahd services have to be viable. | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
We cannot keep these Crown Post Offices open, | :41:19. | :41:20. | |
losing money, and stick to our commitment to keep | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
and semirural areas where very often it's the only | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
And I think really, for somd of these crimes that are closing, | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
for customers to be walking a very short distance away, | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
sometimes into a more convenient location to a WH Smith, | :41:38. | :41:39. | |
is a very small price to pax, to keep this network operathng. | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
Back on the high street, post offices are preparing | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
Meanwhile, a public consult`tion on Post Office finance has begun. | :41:46. | :41:57. | |
But where will you be going to post your parcels? | :41:58. | :41:59. | |
Joining me now from Westminster is Mark Davis from the Post office. | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
Joining me now from Westminster is Mark Davis from the Post Office. | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
I want to start with the local issues in Tonbridge and then move | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
What do you say to the people in Tonbridge who are worried | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
that this move of their dedhcated modern post office to WHSmith | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
will make things more difficult for them? | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
We always understand when communities are concerned about the | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
changes we make to the servhce because the post office service is | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
very important. People get very conscious when were making changes | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
and sometimes concern. In Tonbridge, we are proposing to move thd brand | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
is 100 metres to WH Smith. That model has worked well in thd past. | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
We have had a partnership for around ten years. They host branchds across | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
the country. Just to correct some of the things in your report, the idea | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
that franchising is something new for the post office is a fallacy. It | :43:02. | :43:10. | |
has been the model for decades. In Tunbridge, we will absolutely be | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
moving the same level of service and support to the new WHSmith with an | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
improved environment, with hmproved facilities, with all the sale | :43:22. | :43:28. | |
services and level of staff. You have a very modern purpose-built | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
building. You can't have designed that very well if putting the post | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
office into the back of a shop is better than that? We take m`ny | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
considerations into account. Demographic, the local area, a huge | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
amount of work goes into pl`nning these things. How can we provide the | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
best possible services for our customers going forward? In the most | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
efficient and effective way? At the same time, reducing the burden we | :44:00. | :44:07. | |
have on the taxpayer. We were losing ?120 million of public monex four | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
years ago. We have reduced that down to ?26 million. We will be breaking | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
even within a very short period of time. The business is not ahling. | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
The same number of staff and The same number of staff and | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
full-time equivalent posts, the opening hours will be at le`st as | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
good and there will be seathng for elderly and disabled customdrs? | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
Absolutely. The manager of the Crown network was meeting the loc`l MP on | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
Friday to reassure him about some of the points raised in the | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
consultation. Let's turn to which the ball. The post office there is | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
currently housed in the church. Is there any news on a permanent site? | :44:51. | :44:57. | |
That is a town which must h`ve a post office service. It will have | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
one in the future. Absolutely. Particular factors led to the | :45:03. | :45:11. | |
closure of the Crown branch. We had a site lined up but the ret`iler | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
pulled out. Doesn't that illustrate the rather precarious naturd of this | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
arrangement with shops? Of `ll of the franchise branches we h`ve had, | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
there is not a single example of a franchise branch closing. 4000 post | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
office branches are open today on a Sunday. This idea that somehow the | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
post office is in crisis fr`nkly post office is in crisis fr`nkly | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
doesn't bear any kind of serious scrutiny. We are at the heart of | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
every single community. We `re the cornerstone. We have been for 3 0 | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
years and we will continue to be sought for many more years hnto the | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
future, thanks to the work we have done over the last four years to | :45:55. | :46:01. | |
transform the network. 7000 branches across the UK. We have extended | :46:02. | :46:12. | |
opening hours. In our region, the extended opening hours is the | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
equivalent of opening anothdr 1 0 branches. We're reinventing | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
ourselves to deliver a great service for our users. The government has | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
just published details on how the social value of the post office | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
network is considered. It is estimated at something betwden four | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
are increasingly performing that are increasingly performing that | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
role as a retail hub in the cornerstone of communities, postal | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
services, banking services `nd retail all under the same roof. | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
Still touching every single community and at the heart of it. | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
Thank you. Reassurance about the level of service when the Ttnbridge | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
post office moves into WHSmhth. Your own minister doesn't really see it | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
as the biggest of issues, btt you describe it on your website as a | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
real blow to the town. Why? It is. A real blow to the town. Why? It is. A | :47:14. | :47:22. | |
lot of people who use the post office or from people who are ageing | :47:23. | :47:32. | |
or have mobility issues. In the current location, it is right next | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
to a car park and some disabled parking spaces. Moving at 100 yards | :47:37. | :47:45. | |
doesn't sound like a lot to you or me because we are capable of walking | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
100 yards, but for a lot of people with mobility issues, that hs | :47:51. | :47:51. | |
actually quite a challenge. You re actually quite a challenge. You re | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
asking people to either get help or asking people to either get help or | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
to book something in order to have that support. Know that's not right. | :48:02. | :48:07. | |
You see local people are ag`inst the plans from the post office? What is | :48:08. | :48:14. | |
your evidence? In the last ten days, I have collected 1500 signatures. | :48:15. | :48:21. | |
This is the fastest and most efficient response I have h`d to any | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
petition. I have been stopphng people in the street. 99% h`ve been | :48:26. | :48:35. | |
against it. I looked up your question posted. It is a little | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
disingenuous. Do you agree that the post office should remain open? Do | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
you have any comments to make about the proposed closure? If I was asked | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
that question, I wouldn't rdalise it was just moving 100 yards around the | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
corner. You have made it sotnd like it is going to disappear. This comes | :48:54. | :49:00. | |
straight under an article that explains exactly what is happening. | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
I was explaining to people what was happening. It's not a stand,alone | :49:07. | :49:17. | |
question. Ione raise it. It is absolutely accurate the closing | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
stand-alone post offices. That is true. Nobody is disputing that. We | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
are talking about accessibility It really is quite something when you | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
have just invested several thousand pounds of doing up our post`l | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
office, as they have done in Tom Bridge, in order to make it more | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
accessible and easier for pdople to use, do then throw that awax and | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
move it to WHSmith. Do you `dmire this campaign? Essentially he is | :49:46. | :49:53. | |
taking on his own government. Absolutely. Anyone who stands up for | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
post offices is fighting for something that Liberal Democrats | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
have been fighting for years. The keyword is service. What thdy want | :50:04. | :50:11. | |
here in Tunbridge Wells and in other parts is a service they can access | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
easily. Putting it inside a WHSmith is going to reduce that service He | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
said the service level would remain the same. It's too late. Thdre will | :50:26. | :50:36. | |
be queues and other people want to get to books and magazines. An | :50:37. | :50:43. | |
increasing number of people in mobility scooters. It's a dhfferent | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
model four times than it is in a village. Sometimes it is thd | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
shop open. But in times where you shop open. But in times where you | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
have far heavier footfall into a post office you need to keep that | :50:57. | :51:04. | |
space. Let's all remember there is serious state funding of thd post | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
office. In Westminster, you talked about the symbolic importance of the | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
post office. With ?2 billion given in state aid to the post office | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
between 2011 and 2018, can we afford the symbolism? The symbolisl unites | :51:21. | :51:27. | |
the country, but this is about commerce. The internet generation | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
has not replaced the post office, it has made it more useful. A lot of | :51:32. | :51:38. | |
people have their post delivered once they have ordered them online. | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
The post office is essential to that. When you return items, you | :51:44. | :51:50. | |
have to go into the post office A town like Tom Bridge which hs | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
growing so much just now, wd all know the number of homes gohng in, | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
the footfall will increase. The government says it will havd funded | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
?2 billion. State aid has to be approved by the European Colmission. | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
After Brexit, the government will be able to spend whatever it lhkes Do | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
you think they will get mord or less money? There will probably be less | :52:18. | :52:25. | |
money to go all around. We will still be funding the Europe`n | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
agency. But it will be tougher. When we were in coalition governlent | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
Vince Cable sold off some of the Vince Cable sold off some of the | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
post office which allowed them to raise some of their own caphtal as | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
well. Government and privatd money is going to the post office and that | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
deal was done so that they keep the post offices and keep up thd level | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
of service. This closure of post offices right across the cotntry is | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
not keeping that level of sdrvice up. The consultation is just | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
causing. We will keep an eyd on this one and report back when we have a | :53:03. | :53:04. | |
final decision. The South East has some verx | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
fine walking country, with hundreds of miles of ptblic | :53:10. | :53:11. | |
footpaths to enjoy. But the fun can be spoilt | :53:12. | :53:13. | |
by obstructions and bad signage A survey just published | :53:14. | :53:16. | |
by the Ramblers charity - and undertaken by thousands | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
of walkers has revealed The citizen walkers revealed found | :53:20. | :53:20. | |
more than 10,000 problems on paths in the South East The survex showed | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
that 58% of paths were However, 6% of paths were poorly | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
kept and difficult or impossible Lots of problems would have been | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
around when marking, signs lissing, which means that people | :53:31. | :53:49. | |
cannot find their way. That would've been one | :53:50. | :53:51. | |
particular problem. Sometimes it's things like barbed | :53:52. | :53:52. | |
wire or electric fences across a path which would h`ve | :53:53. | :54:00. | |
caused an obstruction. There would've been a variety | :54:01. | :54:02. | |
of different reasons around undergrowth and mud I would imagine | :54:03. | :54:04. | |
during the winter months. So these were the types of problems | :54:05. | :54:06. | |
that walkers were facing. Some of them would have been | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
deliberate, most would have been would have been careless, | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
all of it can be put right with a bit of effort and a bit | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
of partnership working. Let's examine in a moment whose | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
responsibility it should be to keep these footpath as good as they can | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
be, but starting with you, you are a keen walker, | :54:23. | :54:24. | |
what sort of condition are the footpaths in that | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
you will like to walk? Well, the ones I have been walking | :54:30. | :54:32. | |
recently been in very I walked with a friend from Dorking | :54:33. | :54:34. | |
to my home near Edenbridge. And the paths were basicallx | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
in pretty good nick. In some places, it is the county | :54:39. | :54:48. | |
council and in some places ht's the borough, and in other places | :54:49. | :54:58. | |
the parish and in places But if you walk areas | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
like the Pilgrims Way, you will see there are some | :55:02. | :55:10. | |
fantastic and beautiful parts of our country that are onlx | :55:11. | :55:12. | |
accessible on foot and you can get it on some really beautiful | :55:13. | :55:15. | |
and well kept footpaths. Let's pick up on whose | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
responsibility it is to I mean, we expect local | :55:19. | :55:20. | |
authorities in many areas But with ever diminishing btdgets, | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
is it really fair to expect them? There is a statutory obligation | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
to keep the footpath is well signed and clear, | :55:28. | :55:29. | |
but actually have the financial Budgets are really under | :55:30. | :55:31. | |
pressure at the moment. If you are juggling budgets, | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
is it children's services, old people's services | :55:36. | :55:37. | |
or way markers? It's very difficult | :55:38. | :55:39. | |
to prioritise way marking. But there's a lot that | :55:40. | :55:41. | |
the ramblers can do as well. If you are out walking and xou see | :55:42. | :55:43. | |
something that is beginning that is beginning to break, | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
report it then so it gets mdnded. If something is beginning to go | :55:49. | :55:51. | |
it is easier and cheaper So it's a case of whatever | :55:52. | :55:56. | |
you see, report it. Sometimes there are ways th`t | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
walkers could take Sometimes if you go out with a pair | :56:02. | :56:02. | |
of secateurs and the bramblds are coming over the path | :56:03. | :56:11. | |
because it's not a well used one, just a judicial bit of cutthng back | :56:12. | :56:14. | |
could save that footpath because it means people will | :56:15. | :56:17. | |
continue to use it. And it's use it or lose | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
it, these footpaths. We spoke to all our top tier | :56:23. | :56:24. | |
authorities, but one exampld is they had to make savings of more | :56:25. | :56:32. | |
than ?500,000 from this With cuts like that, | :56:33. | :56:34. | |
it's going to be difficult for them to honour the statutory | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
obligation, isn't it? It's tough to balance | :56:39. | :56:40. | |
requirements in all these areas We all know it is simply not easy | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
to make ends meet. Let's not forget, this is money | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
taken from the taxpayer and so this is not simply free money th`t comes | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
from Westminster, this is money that and all of the viewers' pockets | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
in order to sustain local sdrvices. And balancing that is | :56:56. | :57:02. | |
a really tough call. And so what we've got to do is we've | :57:03. | :57:18. | |
got to look at how we can maintain these footpath | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
so they are exactly as they should be, so we can enjoy the beatty | :57:23. | :57:24. | |
of our county and our country. That will require a combination | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
of National Trust, landowners, And now it's time for some | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
of the other news you may h`ve missed in 60 Seconds | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
with Yetunde Yusuf. Thanet District Council's fhnancial | :57:37. | :57:37. | |
reserves have fallen to just over ?6.5 million, | :57:38. | :57:39. | |
according to a report by auditors. Experts say the council was putting | :57:40. | :57:47. | |
himself at a significant risk because its current reserves | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
are less than a third of thd level The Thanet district leader | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
Chris Wells said a number We mopped up in excess | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
of ?14 million worth of foolish And in that context you would expect | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
reserves to be a little A former nurse and Sussex MP has | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
called for a law to have mandatory defribulators to save peopld | :58:05. | :58:23. | |
during cardiac arrests. Maria Caulfield wants | :58:24. | :58:25. | |
the life-saving device to come readily available | :58:26. | :58:26. | |
in rural communities. And parents across Kent | :58:27. | :58:28. | |
could be asked to stop Kent County Council | :58:29. | :58:30. | |
is targeting Ashford and Canterbury which currently | :58:31. | :58:32. | |
have an above-average It does encourage children to start | :58:33. | :58:34. | |
smoking FTC parents do it. I do think it's a bit disrespectful | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
that they are smoking at thd gate. Let's pick up on that idea | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
that every community, particularly rural communithes, | :58:42. | :58:43. | |
every school and sports Once you open it, a voice | :58:44. | :58:56. | |
tells you what to do. I have often seen them on w`lls | :58:57. | :59:18. | |
and thought I wouldn't know what to do with that, but if people | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
know that the instructions are loud and clear, | :59:22. | :59:24. | |
you would feel more confident. All the evidence shows that | :59:25. | :59:26. | |
if you've got them there, Or is good first aid | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
training more important? Well, as you know, | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
they work together. And really please Maria | :59:34. | :59:35. | |
is leading this campaign. She's a fantastic colleague | :59:36. | :59:37. | |
and she is a great voice In fact, I have picked up on it | :59:38. | :59:39. | |
myself and often when you ptt a later into phone box in a village, | :59:40. | :59:45. | |
in various supermarkets we've put differently later is into | :59:46. | :59:49. | |
the entrance, it's really important we get them as far | :59:50. | :59:51. | |
and wide as possible. Thank you so much for | :59:52. | :59:53. | |
coming in to today. never happened and will not happen | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
in four years. It is subject we should spend more time on. Back to | :59:59. | :59:59. | |
you. What will the Chancellor have to say | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
in his first big economic statement? What impact will the forecasters say | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
Brexit will have on the economy And who will face the Front | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
National's Marine Le Pen in Well, the Shadow Chancellor | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
and the Chancellor have both been touring the television | :00:19. | :00:32. | |
studios this morning. Let's be clear, a lot of this | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
is going to be gimmicks and press As I've said, in the | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
pipeline, we've only seen one in five delivered | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
to construction, that's all. So a lot of this will be a repeat | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
of what I'm not going to reveal | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
what I'm going to say on We don't have unlimited | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
capacity, as one might imagine from listening | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
to John McDonnell, to borrow hundreds of billions of pounds more | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
for discretionary spending. That simply doesn't | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
exist if we're going to retain this country's hard-won | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
credibility in the financial markets if we are going to remain | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
an attractive place for business to We didn't learn very much, Helen, | :01:12. | :01:28. | |
but the papers were briefed this morning that there will be another | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
?1.3 billion for roads and things like that. ?1.3 billion is 0.08 of | :01:32. | :01:43. | |
our GDP. Not exactly an infrastructure investment programme, | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
is it? Yellow like I have to say, it was not thrilling to read the | :01:47. | :01:55. | |
details. -- I have to say... It is the first big financial statement | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
that is going to come and I think there will be a big row about the | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
OBE are forecast because they cannot set out a range, they have to commit | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
to one forecast. Everything they do is incredibly political. DOB are is | :02:08. | :02:16. | |
on a hiding to nothing. -- DOB are -- the Office for Budget | :02:17. | :02:24. | |
Responsibility. I don't know how they will square the circle. It is | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
an interesting week. It is all about the economy and public finances and | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
we don't have to talk about Brexit until next Sunday, but no, I have a | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
terrible feeling that by the end of Wednesday afternoon we will be | :02:37. | :02:46. | |
screaming and shouting about how Brexit is going to be for the | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
economy. Just imagine the Treasury comes out with his forecast that it | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
is going to collapse growth and collapsed Treasury takings, people | :02:54. | :03:02. | |
will be apoplectic. Until now, the economy has continued to grow | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
strongly. Pretty well. They cannot say, we have noticed it slowing down | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
and that will continue. They have to take a punt if they think it will | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
slow down. It affects the Chancellor's figures, because the | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
more they say it is slowing down, and I have seen that it will go from | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
2% down to 1.4%, the more the Chancellor's deficit rises even | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
without any more tax cuts and spending. Absolutely. I think Tom is | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
right. What we will see this week is a continuation of the debate we have | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
been having all along. If the Office for Budget Responsibility has | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
negative and gloomy predictions there will be howls of agony, and | :03:42. | :03:50. | |
rightly howls of frustration from Brexiteers who will say that all the | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
dire predictions from before the referendum have not come to pass and | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
now you are talking things down in a way that becomes a self-fulfilling | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
prophecy. The money for roads, you were dismissive about it, but every | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
little helps. I don't dismiss it, I say it doesn't amount to a fiscal | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
stimulus in macro economic terms. I'm sure if you are on that road, it | :04:16. | :04:24. | |
will be useful. They are going to build a super highway between Oxford | :04:25. | :04:31. | |
and Cambridge. I would like to see them go out to Japan and learn how | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
to fill a hole in two days. I would suggest the road from Oxford to | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
Cambridge is not for the just managing classes, even though it | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
goes through Milton Keynes, and that simply freezing due freezing fuel | :04:46. | :04:57. | |
duty isn't going to hack it, either. These just about managing people are | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
potentially quite a big band. With income tax rises, it means anything | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
you do to help them is incredibly expensive. The universal credit | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
freeze is an interesting example of that. Philip Hammond sounded | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
ambivalent about it after pre-briefings that it might not the | :05:15. | :05:22. | |
cuts might not go ahead. There are people who are in work but because | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
they are low paid don't have the number of hours, they require | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
welfare benefits to top up their pay, and these welfare benefits as | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
it stands, are frozen until 202 , and yet inflation is now starting to | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
rise. That's a problem for the just managing people. Correct. It is | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
worse than that, because we are talking about April 2017 when tax | :05:48. | :05:55. | |
credits become universal credits, so the squeeze will be greater. We will | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
get a small highway between a couple of university towns, but if he has | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
any money left to spend at all, it will be on some pretty seismic | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
jazzman for the just about managing people. I am so glad we're not | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
calling them Jams on this programme, because it is a patronising tone. | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
What the Chancellor and Shadow Chancellor did not confront is that | :06:25. | :06:33. | |
Mr Trump's election is a watershed in terms of being able to borrow | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
cheaply. The Federal Reserve is about to start raising rates. The | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
days of cheap borrowing for governments could be coming to an | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
end. You can feel a bit sorry for labour here because after having had | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
six years of being told that we need a surplus and these things are | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
important, we can't deny the deficit, we have switched now and | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
the first thing that Philip Hammond did was to scrap George Osborne s | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
borrowing targets. He has given himself more wriggle room than | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
George Osborne had. He has and it will cost them more. Debt servicing | :07:07. | :07:14. | |
will now rise as a cost. Where is the next political earthquake going | :07:15. | :07:15. | |
to happen? It could be Italy, or the French | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
elections coming up next spring Now, who will face the Front | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
National's Marine Le Pen in next year's French Presidential | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
elections? Well, France's centre-right | :07:32. | :07:32. | |
part, Les Republicans, are selecting their candidate | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
in the first round of Well, France's centre-right | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
part, Les Republicans, are selecting their candidate | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
in the first round of Let's speak to our correspondent | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
in Paris, Hugh Schofield. Welcome to the programme. Three main | :07:43. | :07:55. | |
candidates, the former -- two former prime ministers and Nicolas Sarkozy, | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
the former president. It is not clear who the front runner is. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
Robbins it is quite an exciting race, because four weeks it did look | :08:06. | :08:15. | |
as if it was going to be Juppe. It is a two round race. Two go through | :08:16. | :08:23. | |
and the idea is that they rally all the support together. It looked like | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
the first round would be dominated by Juppe and Nicolas Sarkozy, and | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
there was a clear binary combination there, because Sarkozy was looking | :08:32. | :08:39. | |
for squeamish far right voters. In other words, veering clearly to the | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
right and far right on immigration and identity issues. And Juppe is | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
the opposite, saying we had to appeal to the centre. That was what | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
it looked like. But the third candidate has made this really quite | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
staggering surge in the last few days. There was a debate on Thursday | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
and he was deemed to have won it on television. He is coming up | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
strongly, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him go through | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
which would be interesting from a British perspective, because if the | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
becomes president, he will be the first president with a British wife. | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
His wife Penelope is Welsh. We will have to leave it there. I | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
would suggest that the reason it is fascinating is that whoever wins | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
this primary for the centre-right party is likely to be the next | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
president, and who the next president is will be very important | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
for Britain in these Brexit negotiations. Nothing will really | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
happen until it is determined. Then after the German elections in | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
October. I would add one more constituent part. The most important | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
thing about the race is who can stop Marine Le Pen. Marine Le Pen will | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
almost be one of the ones in the run-off. The Socialists don't expect | :10:02. | :10:10. | |
much. Francois Hollande is done There is too much of a cliff to | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
climb. Which one of these three centre-right candidates can stop | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
Marine Le Pen? We have had Brexit and Trump, but we could also have | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
Marine Le Pen. If it is Sarkozy it is the battle of the right. In some | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
areas, he has moved to the right of marine Le Pen. I suppose he feels he | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
has do in order to take the wind out of our sails. You wonder if she | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
could succeed later on if she does not this time. Talking to French | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
analysts last night, there was suggesting that she could not do it | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
this time but could win the next time. All the events in France over | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
the last year seemed to provide the most propitious circumstances for | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
her to do well, and particularly if you throw in Trump and Brexit. | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
Suppose it is Mr Sarkozy, and he goes through and wins the Republican | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
nomination, and he and Marine Le Pen go through to the second round, that | :11:11. | :11:18. | |
would mean, think about it, is that a lot of French socialist voters and | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
those on the father left would have to grit their teeth and vote for | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
Nicolas Sarkozy. They might not do it. We might see what we saw in | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
America, where lots of potential Clinton voters did not turn out You | :11:35. | :11:45. | |
got politicians like Melanchon on the far left saying there are | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
foreign workers taking bread out of French workers' mounts. We sometimes | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
forget, because we tend to emphasise the National of the National front, | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
but actually, there are economic policy is quite Bennite. Sarkozy is | :12:03. | :12:13. | |
the Hillary Clinton of the French elections. He is Mr establishment. | :12:14. | :12:25. | |
Juppe and the other third candidate are the same. You have to | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
re-establish candidates running against an antiestablishment | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
candidate. There are populist economic policies from the National | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
front. The other three want to raise the retirement age and cut back on | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
the 35 hour week, which are not classic electoral appeals. Mr Juppe | :12:41. | :12:49. | |
used to be the Mayor of Bordeaux. And we are the biggest importers of | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
claret, so that could have an effect. In 2002, it was Jack Shear | :12:53. | :13:01. | |
against John Marine Le Pen, and the socialist campaign slogan was, vote | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
for the Crook, not the fascist. We will see what they come up with this | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
time. The Daily Politics is back at noon | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
tomorrow on BBC Two, where on Wednesday I will have full | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
coverage of the Chancellor's Autumn But remember, if it's Sunday, | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:24. | :13:32. |