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Good morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. It would be

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extremely difficult, if not impossible, for an independent

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Scotland to join the European Union, so says the President of the

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European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso, in a significant

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development in the independence debate. It's our top story. He has

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the power to bring travel chaos debate. It's our top story. He has

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the nation's capital. Bob Crow joined us for the Sunday interview.

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Another by-election and Spain has been opposing even the

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recognition, for instance, so it is a similar state. It is a new

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country. I believe it is great to be externally difficult, if not

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impossible. Well, he says he doesn't want to interfere, but he has just

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dropped a medium-sized explosive into the debate on Scottish

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independence? A huge story. Alex Salmond must be wondering what is

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going to go wrong next. His pitch to the Scottish people is based on two

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things, the currency union with England and the rest of the United

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Kingdom, which was blown apart last week, and this morning,

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Kingdom, which was blown apart last that Scotland would automatically

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Kingdom, which was blown apart last having much sway. Are the polls

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tightening slightly? They could be within the statistical margin for

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error. They are, but not much. Alex Salmond's main page is one of

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reassurance. He wants to say you can vote for independence, a pound in

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the pocket will be the same as before and you will still be a

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member of the European Union. In the last three or four matter days, both

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of those claims have been blown apart. Angus MacNeil has already

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told BBC Radio 5 Live that the remarks are nonsense and he is

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playing more politics. We hope to remarks are nonsense and he is

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speak to the SNP's finance minister, John Swinney,

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speak to the SNP's finance minister, the news figures. We are being told

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only 3% of people use the booking offices. That's not true. In

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research done, if somebody does to a booking office with somebody sitting

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there and asks for a ticket of less than ?5, they are not allowed to

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sell them a ticket, it is madness. Do you use the ticket office? When

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it is open, yes. You said to ITV that he didn't. I don't know what I

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said to ITV, I don't know what time people use them, sometimes they are

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open and sometimes they are closed. People make out that these ticket

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office staff are people that sit behind barriers like a newsagent.

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I'm not behind barriers like a newsagent.

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however, these people were the behind barriers like a newsagent.

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people treated like behind barriers like a newsagent.

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know. What I choose to do... I'm not attacking you for doing that...

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You've got a picture up there, I've got to say, why don't they go and

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follow Boris Johnson when he was away on holiday, when the riots were

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taking place in London, and he refused to come back? Why don't they

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go and view the editors of newspapers, where they go on

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holiday? Why do they look at you when you go on holiday? They

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sometimes do, actually. The basic pay of a tube driver will soon be

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?52,000. Ticket office workers are already

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?52,000. Ticket office workers are mind a holiday on Copacabana beach,

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or membership by your house mind a holiday on Copacabana beach,

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you have done for them? When mind a holiday on Copacabana beach,

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wages. It's I'm all right Jack? The have put a pay freeze on by

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conservatives and liberals. The police constables, so have the

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teachers. We have had the ability to go and fight. The reality is, at the

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end of the day, as I have said before, no one is going to put up

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the cause for workers. Not one single party in parliament are

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fighting the cause for workers. They all support privatisation, they all

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support keeping the anti-trade union laws, they all support illegal wars

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around the world. Unless they have a fighting trade union, our members

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pay would be as low as some fighting trade union, our members

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You said we could not care less conditions for the workers. But you

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have made Labour so expensive on the underground that management now has

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a huge incentive to substitute technology for Labour. And that s

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what it's going to do, it is closing the ticket offices and very soon,

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starting in 2016, the driverless trains coming. What I am saying is

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that your members should enjoy this because it's not going to last.

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Driverless trains are not coming in, it is not safe. We have them in

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Nuremberg, Shanghai, Sao in, it is not safe. We have them in

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ticket office. You cannot compare for example Chesham with the likes

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of Heathrow. Are you telling me people are going to be on a long

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transatlantic flight, arrived at Heathrow and cannot get a ticket.

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The stuff will be redeployed on the concourse. The simple problem is

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that it is not just about the booking office, it is about people

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having a visual. If you are partially sighted, you

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having a visual. If you are the machines. If British is not your

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first language, you cannot the machines. If British is not your

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more staff to deal with them. Let's look at your mandate to strike. Of

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your members who work on the Tube, only 40% bothered to vote. Only 30%

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voted for the strike, so 70% actually didn't vote to strike of

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your members, but the strike went ahead. Isn't it right to have a

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higher threshold before you can cause this disruption? It would be

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Tories took that away. We used to Tories took that away. We used to

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I'm trying to say Tories took that away. We used to

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badly run as you think, why don t you run for mayor? That is down the

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road, it has not come up yet. I m not ruling anything out. I'm not

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ruling out getting your job on the Sunday Politics. You have got to

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retire as well, you have got to put your feet up. I will get you to

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renegotiate my package. Shall we go on strike first? If I could have

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your wages, I would have two trips to Rio every year.

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your wages, I would have two trips that he wanted to lay out that

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Scotland should be in no doubt that if they vote for independence they

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will have to apply for European membership and they may not get it

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if it is vetoed by other members. What he didn't say is that no state

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of the European Union have indicated they would veto Scottish

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membership. The Spanish foreign minister has. They have said that if

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there is an agreed process within the UK

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there is an agreed process within will have to accept the euro. We

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have set out an option on the currency arrangements which would be

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to establish the currency union You would have to adopt the euro. That's

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not rate because you have to be part of the exchange-rate mechanism for

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two years before you can apply for membership and an independent

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Scotland has no intention of signing up to the exchange rate mechanism or

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the single currency. We are concentrating on setting out

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the single currency. We are arguments for maintaining the pound

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the single currency. We are sterling, which is in the interests

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of sterling, which is in the interests

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wanted to win. My mistake. How are you feeling? It is a Labour

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stronghold, we always knew it was going to be a fight. Labour were

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running scared of letting us present our arguments. UKIP's campaign in

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Wythenshawe didn't point to the right but to the left, with leaflets

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that branded Labour as a party of millionaires who didn't care about

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the working class. It wasn't a winning strategy but it did help

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them beat the Tories who focused on dog mess and potholes instead.

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Professional UKIP-watcher Rob Ford from Manchester Uni thinks they

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could be on the right track. He s analysed the views

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could be on the right track. He s time. Not helping, Nigel? I had

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major surgery on the 19th of November and I am still weak as a

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kitten. I can barely lift a pint with my right hand, it is as serious

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as that. The answer is, Carreon chaps, you're all doing a very good

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job. There will be carrying on to the European elections in May, which

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will provide more evidence of if the UKIP and wagon is powering on or if

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will provide more evidence of if the it is just parked. -- bandwagon

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will provide more evidence of if the With me now is the Conservative

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will provide more evidence of if the They vote that because they want

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change. The problem is, Patrick s party have had MEPs since 1999 and

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they cannot deliver that change They can't because they don't have

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seats in Westminster. It was on that video, the only way we are going to

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get the change we want in Europe is to have that referendum and have the

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renegotiation, and that means vote Tory. What do you say to that? Let's

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get real, the Conservative Party has not won

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get real, the Conservative Party has 22 years. But the only way you will

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get a referendum, 22 years. But the only way you will

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going to say, vote UKIP, get Ed Miliband. What would you say to

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that? I would say we have probably maxed out the Tory vote we are going

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to get because David Cameron has been incredibly helpful in sending

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them in our direction. Our potential for growth now, would we are

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concentrating on, his those disenchanted former Labour voters

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and more and more of them are coming towards us on things like

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immigration and law and order. We want to renegotiate our relationship

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with Europe. We need to have people who are going to turn up to

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negotiate with people like Barroso. who are going to turn up to

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That meant a Prime Minister that is not Ed Miliband but

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have said that money is no object in clearing up floods, but is that

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true? Should we accept that we cannot protect everywhere that might

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be at risk of flooding? First let's meet the two politicians who are

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with me for the next 20 minutes. Chris Wood is with UKIP. Amy is the

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Conservative MP for Hampshire East. Smoking. There are laws against

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smoking in cars with children in Canada, Australia and parts of the

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USA. Why did you vote to not have that law here? I want parents to

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think about it and make a decision. If you pass

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progress and mature as a society, attitudes towards Public change. We

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are asking the police to do an awful lot, aren't we? I struggle with the

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police at the moment. Asking them to do something else with traffic, when

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they have been cut by 20%, is a struggle. It never rains but it

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pours. That could be the motto for this winter. Gales have battered the

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coast and brought disruption. businesses and homes have been

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engulfed by rising floodwaters and it has been another week of misery

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for families across the South. to upgrade in the future if we get

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more rain like this. Absolutely. If you take a town like Romsey, in

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Hampshire, the drains are antiquated. They are looking at

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major house`building. There are projects going on for new

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properties, and that's water has to drain somewhere. Building all those

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houses means there are no feels to soak up the water. Absolutely. There

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are two problems and one of those is that the flood plains are not there.

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Maybe the government will have to specify just drains that can take

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fight climate change, do you think? There is no doubt that loading

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resilience in the face of an increased pattern of extreme

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weather, yes, of course. You do not want to connect it to climate

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change? I did not say that at all. I have always been very clear that it

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is very probably the case, and I also think it is probable that this

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is to do with human activity. It is very likely that there is climate

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change happening. There are a few in your party would not

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they invest long`term and look at the way the system works, it is

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going to happen again and again and again. The decisions that will need

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to be made going to be more far reaching. We have to prepare for

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hotter summers as well stop we have had seven record summers as well.

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Absolutely. It does mean wetter periods and greater storms, that it

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may mean longer droughts in the summer as well there is more

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uncertainty. Surely, it means investing in a greener future and

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committing to that. I do not see that David Cameron has

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the future, is it not? Thank you for coming to talk to us. We have talked

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a lot about city deals in recent. The other government's schemes to

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boost economic activity in different parts of the country. Brighton is in

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the pipeline, Portsmouth and Southampton got their joint deal

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signed off last December. It has promised great things but how much

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will be delivered? Our reporter has been combing through the small

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print. Unveiled at the know that and we have the plans in

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place, will people sign up. In Southampton, we have this location,

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the flagship City Deal all projects. A small patch of land here but it

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promises 5000 new jobs and the creation of a new cinema, restaurant

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and shop. The government is pledging 7 million pounds. It is money that

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we bid for but it was rejected but we persuaded the government to

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relinquish that money. It is money that we would not have got but we

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are getting because we have a City Deal. Portsmouth are potentially

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to come good on their end of the bargain. It all sounds magnificent,

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doesn't it? Chris, you were selected as a candidate for UKIP for Gosport

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this week. You have been a local councillor since May. Do you believe

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all this? You have come to politics fairly fresh and the public are

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asking what happens on the ground. You finding it in Hampshire? All the

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schemes we have, especially the ones in the Solent enterprise zone, they

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sound very good, the investment is going

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private sector money to create jobs, homes, and leisure facilities.

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I suppose, unlike a big government grant, it is being watched more

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carefully. Exactly. The city takes on more responsibility for its own

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planning and own future, and gets more freedom. Why not? As Chris

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says, the people who know most about Portsmouth, for example, are the

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people in Portsmouth. Will the people of Portsmouth make sure the

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politicians do it? People have to engage in politics for

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mopping up the week in Oxford, and bearing promises of new cash for

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roads and more resilience. I resist a joke about Eric Pickles there!

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People see politicians and they go, what use are they in an emergency?

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It is a good point, and the politician is not the expert,

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usually, on floods. I think it is important that politicians hear what

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they are saying on the ground. Critically, with the Prime Minister

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and Defence Secretary, and Eric Pickles, I think it is important

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because they are going Pickles, I think it is important

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Act, so he has to stick to that line or his life 's work goes up in

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smoke. When he passed it, there was Westminster consensus. Now the

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Tories are beginning to appeal off. UKIP has definitely peeled off.

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Labour and Lib Dems are sticking to their guns, there is now a debate?

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It has moved from consensus to very fragile consensus. It's an

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interesting tactic for Ed Miliband to take. He could either approach

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the floods talking about government failures and handling, instead he

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has gone for the intellectual argument, try and turn this into a

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debate about ideology argument, try and turn this into a

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expert, saying, actually, the jet stream is not operating further

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south because of climate change Or if it is, it is beyond our

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knowledge. He flies in the face of what Ed Miliband as saying. He's

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saying the wet weather is caused by global warming, the head of science

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at Exeter University says the IPCC originally looked at whether climate

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change could affect what happens to the jet stream and, because it had

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no evidence it had any effect, it decided not to include it at all in

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the IPCC report. The problem we have got is that any individual

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phenomenon is difficult got is that any individual

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to climate change. But got is that any individual

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Nigel Farage, and it is really a vote for Ed Miliband. Patrick is a

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very good journalist, a very good commentator. He answered almost as a

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commentator rather than head of communications for a political

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party. The Government are still trying to rid itself of troublesome

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priests, an attack on welfare reforms from the Catholic Archbishop

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of Westminster. Let's have a look and see what he said. The basic

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safety net that was there to guarantee that people would not be

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safety net that was there to left in hunger or in destitution has

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safety net that was there to trying to paint them as lefties

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ideological driven. I think that is hard in this case, an assault made

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deliberately in the Telegraph from somebody who feels they come from a

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centre-right position. I think there will be a bit of awkwardness about

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this intervention. It is not the kind of thing they wanted to see. Is

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it politically damaging for the Government? It is if it makes them

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look mean-spirited. But that is the problem with welfare reforms. You

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can say all sorts of things about Iain Duncan Smith's competence. But

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the whole thing springs from a moral mission, as he sees it,

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the whole thing springs from a moral the poor and extend opportunity

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the whole thing springs from a moral four among 14 in the Shadow Cabinet.

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Also, the fact that women, younger women in particular, are much less

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likely to vote Tory than five or ten years ago. David Cameron, it drives

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and furious, he is obviously aware this is one of the biggest potential

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demographic problem is that they have. It also reminds us of how the

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public can actually see the wiring behind a lot of the stuff. Do they

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really think your blog so stupid that they will not notice that the

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following week the front bench is packed with women? I think it just

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increases contempt for the entire rocket. It is an

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increases contempt for the entire top, but the Labour Party is going

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to be increasingly donated by women. Do you think there will be a Labour

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Leader before Theresa May becomes leader of the Conservatives? I think

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it is ultimately about Osborne trying to stop Boris. I think I

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would be astonished if she managed it. The first female Labour Leader?

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I would pick Rachel Reeves the way it is currently going, she knows her

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stuff and does well on TV. That is all for this week. We have a week

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off now.

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