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It's Sunday Morning, and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
Labour attacks Conservative plans for social care and to means-test | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
So can Jeremy Corbyn eat into the Tory lead | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
Theresa May says her party's manifesto is all about fairness. | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
We'll be speaking to a Conservative cabinet minister about the plans. | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
The polls have always shown healthy leads for the Conservatives. | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
But, now we've seen the manifestos, is Labour narrowing the gap? | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
In the South: Take three candidates, a jury of twelve local voters, | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
stir in some controversial topics like transport and | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
And with me - as always - the best and the brightest political | :00:50. | :01:03. | |
panel in the business: Sam Coates, Isabel Oakeshott | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
and Steve Richards - they'll be tweeting throughout | :01:06. | :01:07. | |
the programme, and you can get involved by using | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says pensioners will be up to ?330 a year | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
worse off under plans outlined in the Conservative manifesto. | :01:18. | :01:29. | |
The Work Pensions Secretary Damian Green has said his party will not | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
rethink their plans to fund social care in England. Under the plans in | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
the Conservative manifesto, nobody with assets of less than ?100,000, | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
would have to pay for care. Labour has attacked the proposal, and John | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
McDonnell, Labour's Shadow Chancellor, said this morning that | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
there needs to be more cross-party consensus. | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
That's why we supported Dilnot, but we also supported | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
Because we've got to have something sustainable over generations, | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
so that's why we've said to the Conservative Party, | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
Let's go back to that cross-party approach that actually | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
I just feel we've all been let down by what's come | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
Sam, is Labour beginning to get their argument across? What we had | :02:13. | :02:22. | |
last week was bluntly what felt like not very Lynton Crosby approved | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
Conservative manifesto. What I mean by that is that it looks like there | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
are things that will cause political difficulties for the party over this | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
campaign. I've been talking to MPs and ministers who acknowledge that | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
the social care plan is coming up on the doorstep. It has cut through | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
very quickly, and it is worrying and deterring some voters. Not just | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
pensioners, that people who are looking to inherit in the future. | :02:50. | :03:01. | |
They are all asking how much they could lose that they wouldn't have | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
lost before. A difficult question for the party to answer, given that | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
they don't want to give too much away now. Was this a mistake, or a | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
sign of the Conservatives' confidence? It has the hallmarks of | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
something that has been cobbled together in a very unnaturally short | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
time frame for putting a manifesto together. We have had mixed messages | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
from the Tory MPs who have been out on the airwaves this morning as to | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
whether they will consult on it whether it is just a starting point. | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
That said, there is still three weeks to go, and most of the Tory | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
party this morning feel this is a little light turbulence rather than | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
anything that leaves the destination of victory in doubt. It it flips the | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
normal politics. The Tories are going to make people who have a | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
reasonable amount of assets pay for their social care. What is wrong | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
with that? First, total credit for them for not pretending that all | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
this can be done by magic, which is what normally happens in an | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
election. The party will say, we will review this for the 95th time | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
in the following Parliament, so they have no mandate to do anything and | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
so do not do anything. It is courageous to do it. It is | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
electorally risky, for the reasons that you suggest, that they pass the | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
target their own natural supporter. And there is a sense that this is | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
rushed through, in the frenzy to get it done in time. I think the ending | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
of the pooling of risk and putting the entire burden on in inverted | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
commas the victim, because you cannot insure Fritz, is against the | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
spirit of a lot of the rest of the manifesto, and will give them huge | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
problems if they try to implement it in the next Parliament. Let's have a | :04:57. | :05:05. | |
look at the polls. Nearly five weeks ago, on Tuesday the 18th of April, | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Theresa May called the election. At that point, this was the median | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
average of the recent polls. The Conservatives had an 18 point lead | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
over Labour on 25%. Ukip and the Liberal Democrats were both on 18%. | :05:21. | :05:29. | |
A draft of Labour's manifesto was leaked to the press. In the | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
intervening weeks, support for the Conservatives and Labour had | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
increased, that it had decreased for the Lib Dems and Ukip. Last Tuesday | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
came the launch of the official Labour manifesto. By that time, | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
Labour support had gone up by another 2%. The Lib Dems and Ukip | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
had slipped back slightly. Later in the week came the manifestos from | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
the Lib Dems and the Conservatives. This morning, for more polls. This | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
is how the parties currently stand on average. Labour are now on 34%, | :06:03. | :06:10. | |
up 4% since the launch of their manifesto. The Conservatives are | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
down two points since last Tuesday. Ukip and the Lib Dems are both | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
unchanged on 8% and 5%. You can find this poll tracker on the BBC | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
website, see how it was calculated, and see the results of national | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
polls over the last two years. So Isabel, is this the Tories' wobbly | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
weekend or the start of the narrowing? This is still an | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
extremely healthy lead for the Tories. At the start of this | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
campaign, most commentators expected to things to happen. First, the Lib | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
Dems would have a significant surge. That hasn't happened. Second, Labour | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
would crash and plummet. Instead they are in the health of the low | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
30s. I wonder if that tells you something about the tribal nature of | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
the Labour vote, and the continuing problems with the Tory brand. I | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
would say that a lot of Tory MPs wouldn't be too unhappy if Labour's | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
result isn't quite as bad as has been anticipated. They don't want | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
Corbyn to go anywhere. If the latest polls were to be the result on June | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
the 8th, Mr Corbyn may not be in a rush to go anywhere. I still think | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
it depends on the number of seats. If there is a landslide win, I | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
think, one way or another, he will not stay. If it is much narrower, he | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
has grounds for arguing he has done better than anticipated. The polls | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
are very interesting. People compare this with 83. In 83, the Tory lead | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
widened consistently throughout the campaign. There was the SDP - | :07:58. | :08:10. | |
Liberal Alliance doing well in the polls. Here, the Lib Dems don't seem | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
to be doing that. So the parallels with 83 don't really stack up. But | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
let's see what happens. Still early days for the a lot of people are | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
saying this is the result of the social care policy. We don't really | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
know that. How do you beat them? In the last week or so, there's been | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
the decision by some to hold their nose and vote Labour, who haven't | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
done so before. Probably the biggest thing in this election is how the | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
Right has reunited behind Theresa May. That figure for Ukip is | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
incredibly small. She has brought those Ukip voters behind her, and | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
that could be the decisive factor in many seats, rather than the Labour | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
share of the boat picking up a bit or down a bit, depending on how | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
turbulent the Tory manifesto makes it. Thank you for that. | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
We've finally got our hands on the manifestos of the two main | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
parties and, for once, voters can hardly complain that | :09:05. | :09:06. | |
So, just how big is the choice on offer to the public? | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
Since the Liberal Democrats and SNP have ruled out | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
coalitions after June 8th, Adam Fleming compares the Labour | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
Welcome to the BBC's election centre. | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
Four minutes from now, when Big Ben strikes 10.00, | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
we can legally reveal the contents of this, our exit poll. | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
18 days to go, and the BBC's election night studio | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
This is where David Dimbleby will sit, although there is no chair yet. | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
The parties' policies are now the finished product. | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
In Bradford, Jeremy Corbyn vowed a bigger state, | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
the end of austerity, no more tuition fees. | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
The Tory campaign, by contrast, is built on one word - fear. | :09:47. | :09:55. | |
Down the road in Halifax, Theresa May kept a promise to get | :09:56. | :10:02. | |
immigration down to the tens of thousands, and talked | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
of leadership and tough choices in uncertain times. | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
Strengthen my hand as I fight for Britain, and stand with me | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
And, with confidence in ourselves and a unity | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
of purpose in our country, let us go forward together. | :10:22. | :10:28. | |
Let's look at the Labour and Conservative | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
On tax, Labour would introduce a 50p rate for top earners. | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
The Conservatives ditched their triple lock, giving them | :10:38. | :11:01. | |
freedom to put up income tax and national insurance, | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
although they want to keep the overall tax burden the same. | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
Labour offered a major overhaul of the country's wiring, | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
with a pledge to renationalise infrastructure, like power, | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
The Conservatives said that would cost a fortune, | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
but provided few details for the cost of their policies. | :11:14. | :11:15. | |
Labour have simply become a shambles, and, as yesterday's | :11:16. | :11:17. | |
manifesto showed, their numbers simply do not add up. | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
What have they got planned for health and social care? | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
The Conservatives offered more cash for the NHS, | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
reaching an extra ?8 billion a year by the end of the parliament. | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
Labour promised an extra ?30 billion over the course of the same period, | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
plus free hospital parking and more pay for staff. | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
The Conservatives would increase the value of assets you could | :11:40. | :11:46. | |
protect from the cost of social care to ?100,000, but your home would be | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
added to the assessment of your wealth, | :11:51. | :11:51. | |
There was a focus on one group of voters in particular | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
Labour would keep the triple lock, which guarantees that pensions go up | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
The Tories would keep the increase in line | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
with inflation or earnings, a double lock. | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
The Conservatives would end of winter fuel payments | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
for the richest, although we don't know exactly who that would be, | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
This is a savage attack on vulnerable pensioners, | :12:17. | :12:25. | |
particularly those who are just about managing. | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
It is disgraceful, and we are calling upon the Conservative Party | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
When it comes to leaving the European Union, Labour say | :12:33. | :12:39. | |
they'd sweep away the government's negotiating strategy, | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
secure a better deal and straightaway guaranteed the rights | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
The Tories say a big majority would remove political uncertainty | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
Jeremy Vine's due here in two and a half weeks. | :12:52. | :13:03. | |
I'm joined now by David Gauke, who is Chief Secretary to the Treasury. | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
Welcome back to the programme. The Tories once promised a cap on social | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
care costs. Why have you abandoned that? We've looked at it, and there | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
are couple of proposals with the Dilnot proposal. Much of the benefit | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
would go to those inheriting larger estates. The second point was it was | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
hoped that a cap would stimulate the larger insurance products that would | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
fill the gap, but there is no sign that those products are emerging. | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
Without a cap, you will not get one. We have come forward with a new | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
proposal which we think is fairer, provide more money for social care, | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
which is very important and is one of the big issues we face as a | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
country. It is right that we face those big issues. Social care is | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
one, getting a good Brexit deal is another. This demonstrates that | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
Theresa May has an ambition to lead a government that addresses those | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
big long-term issues. Looking at social care. If you have assets, | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
including your home, of over ?100,000, you have to pay for all | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
your social care costs. Is that fair? It is right that for the | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
services that are provided to you, that that is paid out of your | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
assets, subject to two really important qualifications. First, you | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
shouldn't have your entire estate wiped out. At the moment, if you are | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
in residential care, it can be wiped out ?223,000. If you are in | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
domiciliary care, it can be out to ?23,000, plus you're domiciliary. | :14:50. | :14:56. | |
Nobody should be forced to sell their house in their lifetime if | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
they or their spouse needs long-term care. Again, we have protected that | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
in the proposals we set out. But the state will basically take a | :15:03. | :15:12. | |
chunk of your house when you die and they sell. In an essence it is a | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
stealth inheritance tax on everything above ?100,000. But we | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
have those two important protections. I am including that. It | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
is a stealth inheritance tax. We have to face up to the fact that | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
there are significant costs that we face as a country in terms of health | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
and social careful. Traditionally, politicians don't address those | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
issues, particularly during election campaigns. I think it is too Theresa | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
May's credit that we are being straightforward with the British | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
people and saying that we face this long-term challenge. Our manifesto | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
was about the big challenges that we face, one of which was | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
intergenerational fairness and one of which was delivering a strong | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
economy and making sure that we can do that. But in the end, someone is | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
going to have to pay for this. It is going to have to be a balance | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
between the general taxpayer and those receiving the services. We | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
think we have struck the right balance with this proposal. But it | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
is entirely on the individual. People watching this programme, if | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
they have a fair amount of assets, not massive, including the home, | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
they will need to pay for everything themselves until their assets are | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
reduced to ?100,000. It is not a balance, you're putting everything | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
on the original two individual. At the moment, for those in residential | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
care, they have to pay everything until 20 3000. -- everything on the | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
individual. But now they will face more. Those in individual care are | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
seeing their protection going up by four times as much, so that is | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
eliminating unfairness. Why should those in residential care be in a | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
worse position than those receiving domiciliary care? But as I say, that | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
money has to come from somewhere and we are sitting at a proper plan for | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
it. While also made the point that we are more likely to be able to | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
have a properly functioning social care market if we have a strong | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
economy, and to have a strong economy we need to deliver a good | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
deal on Brexit and I think Theresa May is capable of doing that. You | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
have said that before. But if you have a heart attack in old age, the | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
NHS will take care of you. If you have dementia, you now have to pay | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
for the care of yourself. Is that they are? It is already the case | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
that if you have long-term care costs come up as I say, if you are | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
in residential care you pay for all of it until the last ?23,000, but if | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
you are in domiciliary care, excluding your housing assets, but | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
all of your other assets get used up until you are down to ?23,000 a | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
year. And I think it is right at this point that a party that aspires | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
to run this country for the long-term, to address the long-term | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
challenges we have is a country, for us to be clear that we need to | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
deliver this. Because if it is not paid for it this way, if it goes and | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
falls on the general taxpayer, the people who feel hard pressed by the | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
amount of income tax and VAT they pay, frankly we have to say to them, | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
those taxes will go up if we do not address it. But they might go up | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
anyway. The average house price in your part of the country is just shy | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
of ?430,000, so if you told your own constituents that they might have to | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
spend ?300,000 of their assets on social care before the state steps | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
in to help...? As I said earlier, nobody will be forced to pay during | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
their lifetime. Nobody will be forced to sell their houses. We are | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
providing that protection because of the third premium. Which makes it a | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
kind of death tax, doesn't it? Which is what you use to rail against. | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
What it is people paying for the services they have paid out of their | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
assets. But with that very important protection that nobody is going to | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
be wiped out in the way that has happened up until now, down to the | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
last three years. But when Labour propose this, George Osborne called | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
it a death tax and you are now proposing a stealth death tax | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
inheritance tax. Labour's proposals were very different. It is the same | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
effect. Labour's were hitting everyone with an inheritance tax. We | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
are saying that there are -- that there is a state contribution but | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
the public receiving the services will have to pay for it out of | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
assets, which have grown substantially. And which they might | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
now lose to social care. But I would say that people in Hertfordshire pay | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
a lot in income tracks, national insurance and VAT, and this is my | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
bet is going to have to come from somewhere. Well, they are now going | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
to pay a lot of tax and pay for social care. Turning to immigration, | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
you promised to get net migration down to 100,020 ten. You failed. You | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
promised again in 2015 and you are feeling again. Why should voters | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
trust you a third time? It is very clear that only the Conservative | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
Party has an ambition to control immigration and to bring it down. An | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
ambition you have failed to deliver. There are, of course, factors that | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
come into play. For example a couple of years ago we were going through a | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
period when the UK was creating huge numbers of jobs but none of our | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
European neighbours were doing anything like it. Not surprisingly, | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
that feeds through into the immigration numbers that we see. But | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
it is right that we have that ambition because I do not believe it | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
is sustainable to have hundreds of thousands net migration, you're | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
after year after year, and only Theresa May of the Conservative | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
Party is willing to address that. It has gone from being a target to an | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
ambition, and I am pretty sure in a couple of years it will become an | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
untimed aspiration. Is net migration now higher or lower than when you | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
came to power in 2010? I think it is higher at the moment. Let's look at | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
the figures. And there they are. You are right, it is higher, so after | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
six years in power, promising to get it down to 100,000, it is higher. So | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
if that is an ambition and you have not succeeded. We have to accept | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
that there are a number of factors. It continues to be the case that the | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
UK economy is growing and creating a lot of jobs, which is undoubtedly | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
drawing people. But you made the promise on the basis that would not | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
happen? We are certainly outperforming other countries in a | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
way that we could not have predicted in 2010. That is one of the factors. | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
But if you look at a lot of the steps that we have taken over the | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
course of the last seven years, dealing with bogus students, for | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
example, tightening up a lot of the rules. You can say all that but it | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
has made no difference to the headline figure. Clearly it would | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
have gone up by much more and we not taken the steps. But as I say, we | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
cannot for ever, it seems to me, have net migration numbers in the | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
hundreds of thousands. If we get that good Brexit deal, one of the | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
things we can do is tighten up in terms of access here. You say that | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
but you have always had control of non-EU migration. You cannot blame | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
the EU for that. You control immigration from outside the EU. | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
Have you ever managed to get even that below 100,000? Well, no doubt | :22:41. | :22:47. | |
you will present the numbers now. You haven't. You have got down a bit | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
from 2010, I will give you that, but even non-EU migration is still a lot | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
more than 100000 and that is the thing you control. It is 164,000 on | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
the latest figures. There is no point in saying to the voters that | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
when we get control of the EU migration you will get it down when | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
the bit you have control over, you have failed to get that down into | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
the tens of thousands. The general trend has gone up. Non-EU migration | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
we have brought down over the last few years. Not by much, not by | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
anywhere near your 100,000 target. But we clearly have more tools | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
available to us, following Brexit. At this rate it will be around 2030 | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
before you get non-EU migration down to 100,000. We clearly have more | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
tools available to us and I return to the point I made. In the last six | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
or seven years, particularly the last four or five, we have seen the | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
UK jobs market growing substantially. It is extraordinary | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
how many more jobs we have. So you'll only promised the migration | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
target because you did not think you were going to run the economy well? | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
That is what you are telling me. I don't think anyone expected us to | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
create quite a number of jobs that we have done over the last six or | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
seven years. At the time when other European countries have not been. | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
George Osborne says your target is economically illiterate. I disagree | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
with George on that. He is my old boss but I disagree with him on that | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
point. And the reason I say that is looking at the economics and the | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
wider social impact, I don't think it is sustainable for us to have | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
hundreds of thousands, year after year after year. Let me ask you one | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
other thing because you are the chief secretary. Your promising that | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
spending on health will be ?8 billion higher in five use time than | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
it is now. How do you pay for that? From a strong economy, two years ago | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
we had a similar conversation because at that point we said that | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
we would increase spending by ?8 billion. And we are more than on | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
track to deliver it, because it is a priority area for us. Where will the | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
money come from? It will be a priority area for us. We will find | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
the money. So you have not been able to show us a revenue line where this | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
?8 billion will come from. We have a record of making promises to spend | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
more on the NHS and delivering. One thing I would say is that the only | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
way you can spend more money on the NHS is if you have a strong economy, | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
and the biggest risk... But that is true of anything. I am trying to | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
find out where the ?8 billion come from, where will it come from? Know | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
you were saying that perhaps you might increase taxes, ticking off | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
the lock, so people are right to be suspicious. But you will not tell us | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
where the ?8 billion will come from. Andrew, a strong economy is key to | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
delivering more NHS money. That does not tell us where the money is | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
coming from. The biggest risk to a strong economy would be a bad | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
Brexit, which Jeremy Corbyn would deliver. And we have a record of | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
putting more money into the NHS. I think that past performance we can | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
take forward. Thank you for joining us. | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
So, the Conservatives have been taking a bit of flak | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
But Conservative big guns have been out and about this morning taking | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
Here's Boris Johnson on ITV's Peston programme earlier today: | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
What we're trying to do is to address what I think | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
everybody, all serious demographers acknowledge will be the massive | :26:17. | :26:19. | |
problem of the cost of social care long-term. | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
This is a responsible, grown-up, conservative approach, | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
trying to deal with a long-term problem in a way that is equitable, | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
allows people to pass on a very substantial sum, | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
still, to their kids, and takes away the fear | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
Joining me now from Liverpool is Labour's Shadow Chief Secretary | :26:35. | :26:41. | |
Petered out, welcome to the programme. Let's start with social | :26:42. | :26:52. | |
care. The Tories are saying that if you have ?100,000 or more in assets, | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
you should pay for your own social care. What is wrong with that? Well, | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
I think the issue at the end of the day is the question of fairness. Is | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
it fair? And what we're trying to do is to get to a situation where we | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
have, for example, the Dilnot report, which identified that you | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
actually have cap on your spending on social care. We are trying to get | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
to a position where it is a reasonable and fair approach to | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
expenditure. But you will know that a lot of people, particularly in the | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
south of country, London and the south-east, and the adjacent areas | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
around it, they have benefited from huge house price inflation. They | :27:36. | :27:37. | |
have seen their homes go up in value, if and when they sell, they | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
are not taxed on that increase. Why should these people not pay for | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
their own social care if they have the assets to do so? They will be | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
paying for some of their social care but you cannot take social care and | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
health care separately. It has to be an integrated approach. So for | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
example if you do have dementia, you're more likely to be in an | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
elderly person's home for longer and you most probably have been in care | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
for a longer period of time. On the other hand, you might have, if you | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
have had a stroke, there may be continuing care needs paid for by | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
the NHS. So at the end of the date it is trying to get a reasonable | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
balance and just to pluck a figure of ?100,000 out of thin air is not | :28:20. | :28:28. | |
sensible. You will have heard me say about David Gold that the house | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
prices in his area, about 450,000 or so, not quite that, and that people | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
may have to spend quite a lot of that on social care to get down to | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
?100,000. But in your area, the average house price is only | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
?149,000, so your people would not have to pay anything like as much | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
before they hit the ?100,000 minimum. I hesitate to say that but | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
is that not almost a socialist approach to social care that if you | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
are in the affluent Home Counties with a big asset, you pay more, and | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
if you are in an area that is not so affluent and your house is not worth | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
very much, you pay a lot less. What is wrong with that principle? I | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
think the problem I am trying to get to is this issue about equity across | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
the piece. At the end of the day, what we want is a system whereby it | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
is capped at a particular level, and the Dilnot report, after much | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
examination, said we should have a cap on care costs at ?72,000. The | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
Conservatives decided to ditch that and come up with another policy | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
which by all accounts seems to be even more Draconian. At the end of | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
the day it is trying to get social care and an NHS care in a much more | :29:42. | :29:50. | |
fluid way. We had offered the Conservatives to have a bipartisan | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
approach to this. David just said that this is a long term. You do not | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
pick a figure out of thin air and use that as a long-term strategy. | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
The Conservatives are now saying they will increase health spending | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
over the next five years in real terms. You will increase health | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
spending. In what way is your approach to health spending better | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
than the Tories' now? We are contributing an extra 7.2 billion to | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
the NHS and social care over the next few years. But you just don't | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
put money into the NHS or social care. It has to be an integrated | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
approach to social and health care. What we've got is just more of the | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
same. What we don't want to do is just say, we ring-fenced an out for | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
here or there. What you have to do is try to get that... Let me ask you | :30:46. | :30:53. | |
again. In terms of the amount of resource that is going to be devoted | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
in the next five years, and resource does matter for the NHS, in what way | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
are your plans different now from the Conservative plans? The key is | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
how you use that resource. By just putting money in, you've got to say, | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
if we are going to put that money on, how do we use it? As somebody | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
who has worked in social care for 40 years, you have to have a different | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
approach to how you use that money. The money we are putting in, 7.7, | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
may be similar in cash terms to what the Tories claim they are putting | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
in, but it's not how much you put in per se, it is how you use it. You | :31:34. | :31:47. | |
are going to get rid of car parking charges in hospital, and you are | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
going to increase pay by taking the cap on pay off. So it doesn't | :31:51. | :31:52. | |
necessarily follow that the money, under your way of doing it, will | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
follow the front line. What you need in the NHS is a system that is | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
capable of dealing with the patience you have. What we have now is on at | :32:00. | :32:06. | |
five Asian of the NHS. Staff leaving, not being paid properly. So | :32:07. | :32:16. | |
pay and the NHS go hand in hand. Let's move onto another area of | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
policy where there is some confusion. Who speaks for the Labour | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
Party on nuclear weapons? Is it Emily Thornbury, or Nia Griffith, | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
defence spokesperson? The Labour manifesto. It is clear. We are | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
committed to the nuclear deterrent, and that is the definitive... Is it? | :32:38. | :32:47. | |
Emily Thornbury said that Trident could be scrapped in the defence | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
review you would have immediately after taking power. On LBC on Friday | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
night. She didn't, actually. I listened to that. What she actually | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
said is, as part of a Labour government coming in, a new | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
government, there is always a defence review. But not the concept | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
of Trident in its substance. She said there would be a review in | :33:12. | :33:18. | |
terms of, and this is in our manifesto. When you reduce | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
something, you review how it is operated. The review could scrap | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
Trident. It won't scrap Trident. The review is in the context of how you | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
protect it from cyber attacks. This will issue was seized upon that she | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
was saying that we would have another review of Trident or Labour | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
would ditch it. That is nonsense. You will have seen some reports that | :33:45. | :33:51. | |
MI5 opened a file on Jeremy Corbyn in the early 90s because of his | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
links to Irish republicanism. This has caused some people, his links to | :33:56. | :34:04. | |
the IRA and Sinn Fein, it has caused some concern. Could you just listen | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
to this clip and react. Do you condemn what the IRA did? I condemn | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
all bombing. But do you condemn what the IRA did? I condemn what was done | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
with the British Army as well as both sides as well. What happened in | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
Derry in 1972 was pretty devastating as well. Do you distinguish between | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
state forces, what the British Army did and the IRA? Well, in a sense, | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
the treatment of IRA prisoners which made them into virtual political | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
prisoners suggested that the British government and the state saw some | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
kind of almost equivalent in it. My point is that the whole violence if | :34:50. | :34:56. | |
you was terrible, was appalling, and came out of a process that had been | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
allowed to fester in Northern Ireland for a very long time. That | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
was from about two years ago. Can you explain why the Leader of the | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
Labour Party, Her Majesty 's opposition, the man who would be our | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
next Prime Minister, finds it so hard to condemn IRA arming? I think | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
it has to be within the context that Jeremy Corbyn for many years trying | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
to move the peace protest... Process along. So why wouldn't you condemn | :35:27. | :35:35. | |
IRA bombing? Again, that was an issue, a traumatic event in Irish - | :35:36. | :35:43. | |
British relations that went on for 30 years. It is a complicated | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
matter. Bombing is not that complicated. If you are a man of | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
peace, surely you would condemn the bomb and the bullet? Let me say | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
this, I condemn the bomb and the bullet. Why can't your leader? You | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
would have to ask Jeremy Corbyn, but that is in the context of what he | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
was trying to do over a 25 year period to move the priest process | :36:10. | :36:10. | |
along. Thank you for joining us. It's just gone 11.35, | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
in Scotland and Wales. Welcome to Sunday Politics South - | :36:16. | :36:26. | |
my name's Peter Henley. And this is the second | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
of our election hustings - we're in Worthing in West Sussex | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
with a group of voters who are going to be grilling our three local | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
politicians on why their party Tim Loughton is from | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
the Conservatives, Sarah Osborne is from the Liberal Democrats, | :36:43. | :36:53. | |
and Mark Farwell is from Labour. Before we let our inquisitors | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
loose on them though, the campaign has been moving up | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
a gear this week, and Frankie Peck has been taking a look | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
at what's been going on out This was the weaker the main parties | :37:03. | :37:09. | |
finally unveiled their manifestos for Government. We were told to go | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
forward together with the Conservatives, invited to change | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
Britain's future with the Liberal Democrats and Labour promised to act | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
for the many and not the few. On Monday ahead of the Conservative | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
manifesto launch to reason may was back in Oxfordshire Ian questioned | :37:28. | :37:37. | |
by locals. -- Theresa May. But mental health is not top of the | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
manifesto. Adult social care is. We put ?2 | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
billion more into social care for stubbornly to ensure the best | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
practice is there around the whole of the country. | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
Tim Farren was that a school in Portsmouth on Tuesday. He had focus | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
on. That means a penny on income tax, | :37:58. | :38:09. | |
95% will be paid for by their best. Jeremy Corbyn was in Bradford | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
launching Labour's vision which many set out more retro feel. | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
Labour will enter the cuts in the NHS, Labour will scrap to issue | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
these, Labour will take our railways back into public ownership and put | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
passengers first. Back in Hampshire, the BBC held a | :38:29. | :38:37. | |
hustings with the candidates looking at the struggles facing the Queen | :38:38. | :38:43. | |
I've had meetings with Jeremy Hunt I've had meetings with Jeremy Hunt | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
who sent down his special adviser to have a look at this very issue. | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
Only Labour will offer a real alternative to the Government and | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
see investment in our hospital services. | :38:54. | :38:53. | |
There will be more hustings from all There will be more hustings from all | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
the local radio stations this week. I imagine there will be some | :38:58. | :39:09. | |
questions about the railways. The manifesto is being released. Where | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
there are surprises there for you as candidates? I will ask you for | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
pleasant surprises. pleasant surprises. | :39:18. | :39:23. | |
One thing I was really pleased about, is the high profile of mental | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
health and in particular we need much more investment in mental | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
health, we need mental health support much sooner. The fact we're | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
going to amend the equalities act so that discrimination against people | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
on the grounds of mental health will be required to think that is a | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
welcome advance. To go that far to give it such a | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
profile was a very welcome surprise. I was pleased that we were honest as | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
a party that we need to fund the NHS, how we're going to pay for it, | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
the penny on income tax, that is ring fenced and that's for adult | :39:56. | :39:57. | |
social care as well and mental health which we campaigned on for | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
many, many years. We asked for it to have a quality with physical health. | :40:04. | :40:12. | |
Given that the manifesto was leaked at least a week before... It was a | :40:13. | :40:21. | |
dead go. However, I was really pleased to see the proposals for a | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
national social care service to run in parallel with the National Health | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
Service. And be properly funded in a way that should've been for many, | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
many decades. There were a lot of ? is a net your | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
manifesto. Not so many in the Conservatives. Do you think that is | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
fair? I think that Jeremy Corbyn explained | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
quite adequately at least the 50 billion spent, which is the | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
proposal. Where that would come from. | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
All this business about bonds for nationalisation. | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
Would you surprises either things were not more spelled-out? | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
We are very honest on one of the more controversial things that will | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
develop... Honest about not being | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
straightforward about what the cost is? | :41:13. | :41:14. | |
About the challenges of adult social care or example. When proposals we | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
put forward will meet more work in detail at exactly the cost and where | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
it falls. What we don't want is a lot of hostages to fortune in our | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
manifesto and we certainly do not want a magic money tree responsible | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
for ?54 billion of actually unfunded pledges which are completely | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
unrealistic. Yes they were. | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
?26 billion from attacks on bond that will never happen. They tried | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
that in America the entire industry left overnight. It will never | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
happen. This is apparently where the money is going to come from and it | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
is not allowed. Corporation tax amongst other | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
things. That will change. Think there is going to be a national | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
council or a body, this is for tax evasion. That is in the amount of | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
billions. The list goes on. I think it is pretty | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
well-documented. Was yours well enough documented? You mentioned the | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
penny. Do people really understand. At penny on income tax to pay for | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
this? You think that is a clear way of doing it? | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
It is a cup of coffee a week. Any thoughts from anybody here to | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
kick us off? Sally. | :42:34. | :42:42. | |
No, not at all. I'm completely disillusioned out all the manifestos | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
of whether money is going to come from. All I know is that | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
realistically we've got to pay a bit more. | :42:51. | :42:52. | |
You've campaigned against the Gatwick expansion and that is why we | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
invited you. You had dealings with politicians over the years. When you | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
look at these manifestos do you put on a special pair of glasses? | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
I read them as they are and I'm not at all political so I just read them | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
as they are and I see what they going to try do for the country as a | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
whole. And I guess I'm a realist. I see what is feasible at what is not | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
feasible. But I do feel from all of them that there is a lot of pipe | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
dreams and some of them and we will end up paying more. | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
You campaigned for us to leave during the referendum. Giving | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
promises be made never better than the ones who got in the referendum? | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
It is difficult is it because we have to wait and see. It seems to me | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
that the Conservatives are probably leading with the Brexit deal. | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
That is what is really in your mind? Brexit. I am a political so I'm | :43:47. | :43:54. | |
waiting to see what they will also say disease someone convinces me | :43:55. | :43:56. | |
this is the way to go. Let's give them some that you get | :43:57. | :44:03. | |
their teeth into. You're concerned about the train service, origin? | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
Yes. I think nobody seems to bother about the people on the south coast. | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
The Conservatives don't bother because they don't need to because | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
they know that the voters their vote for them. Labour don't because | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
they're never going to be in power down here. In 2017 you still cannot | :44:26. | :44:35. | |
stay to see the ends of a show in London because you have to get to | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
Victoria to catch the last train home. | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
That is if the last train runs. When I was still working my friends | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
and I went to Wimbledon one year and we could not wait to see the end of | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
a very important match because we had to catch the last train home. | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
The situation is exacted the same now as it was then. | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
Two elements to that. First of all, the trains. Are we neglected by the | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
major parties? Absolutely. We have campaigned for | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
Southern rail to be sacked. They've done an appalling job. | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
Just another privatised company in its place? | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
I would like a fool, integrated transport policy, which we don't | :45:17. | :45:24. | |
have put up we have silos, cut on buses and no investment on a train | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
service and it is a false economy. We rely on a lot of tourism. We're | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
making it very difficult for tourist to come and see us, are we not? | :45:34. | :45:47. | |
Tim Farren was talking about him understanding the feelings of the | :45:48. | :45:54. | |
North. He has been down to Lewis. We've had | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
lots of visits from them and we have a really high membership in the | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
south-east. We have can do is back deprived | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
parts of my constituency were people rely on public services and we | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
don't, in this part of the country, get a fair share of the cake. On | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
transport, HS2, I had problems with HS2 but that's not going to help the | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
south of England and we desperately needs investment in our | :46:27. | :46:33. | |
infrastructure. We need reliable train services. The Government | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
doesn't not care, we put 300 million into trying to deal with all the | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
pinch points we've got that are causing all of the delays and also, | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
we've got to revisit the franchise. It is not fit for purpose. No one | :46:47. | :46:58. | |
comes out of this well. It is the biggest single issue I think | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
affecting my constituents and it has been going on for far too long and | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
it has got to be sorted. Any reaction to that? I think I | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
imagine saying that 18 billion was earmarked for six roads in the UK | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
and yet the 827 only ended up with 300 million. I thought it was only | :47:16. | :47:22. | |
50 million. Chris Grayling took away the money | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
that was going for around are undaunted just. | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
There is 250 million allocated for the 827 and 100 million going to | :47:33. | :47:40. | |
Worthing. But at the same time addressing the investment along the | :47:41. | :47:50. | |
A27, it's a huge waste of money. When you're actually cutting... We | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
have got in West Sussex cuts in bus services and I believe the | :47:55. | :47:59. | |
contradiction is your talking about investment in bed infrastructure but | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
not in public transport. And the people who are getting isolated, | :48:03. | :48:05. | |
lots of people don't drive and are being isolated. The A27 does not | :48:06. | :48:14. | |
have the right characteristics. You would be spending on cars. | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
We should have a more integrated view on how we change and improve | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
our transport system and throwing loads of money at a road around | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
Ireland which is what were talking about now is a complete... Ruining | :48:27. | :48:34. | |
our countryside and is not... Is going to increase traffic. Even | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
highways England says it will increase traffic that. | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
Would you help out car users you would all be public transport? | :48:44. | :48:46. | |
I think it would be principally public bought the back transport. We | :48:47. | :48:53. | |
are intending to take the railways back into public ownership or we | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
heard the arguments in the 80s Douglas said that nationalised | :48:58. | :49:07. | |
injuries -- nationalised industries, efficiency is very poor and I think | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
the time has come. I think we learned from the East Coast line, | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
that was in public ownership for a that was in public ownership for a | :49:15. | :49:17. | |
very short period of time and returned 1 billion back to the | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
taxpayer. It was then re-privatised. So I think, on the green agenda the | :49:22. | :49:28. | |
A27 in Chichester it has torn the city into, those in favour the | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
northern roots have vested interest there and those in the southern | :49:34. | :49:36. | |
Nothing is happening with a lot of Nothing is happening with a lot of | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
these roads. The other part of the question was what about the | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
influence? I hear conservatives in local elections and national | :49:45. | :49:46. | |
elections weighing, vote for me and elections weighing, vote for me and | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
we have the era of Government. Do you think that is true? It did | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
not make any difference getting Southern rail sorted out. | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
It was your Prime Minister. The ten was not put on the radar | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
until we got put their after 20 years of not being there. We need | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
better public transport. We need better integrated public transport | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
but we need a A27 but you can get cars and buses to go along rather | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
than sit in traffic jams and that is why we need more investment. | :50:16. | :50:23. | |
It will increase road traffic. I want to see traffic flows of people | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
can get the jobs, to the schools, to the colleges. | :50:27. | :50:33. | |
which is a serious problem on the which is a serious problem on the | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
A27 at the minute is by stop start traffic. If traffic flow better we | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
would have better air quality put all those reasons why we must invest | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
in the A27. With the greatest of respect to mark would we were here | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
in the same programme two years ago the Labour Party was going to scrap | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
the A27 improvements. It has got to happen. It needs to be significant | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
solar taxi makes a difference. It is not an either or. -- so it actually | :51:00. | :51:06. | |
makes a difference. What July to see for the future? | :51:07. | :51:18. | |
I think that is both because I use public transport before it can drive | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
and is still so expensive for me as a young person. I can't afford to | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
drive all the times or have to use public transport. I think there | :51:27. | :51:28. | |
needs to be both because otherwise were all going to lose out. | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
Let's move on from transport and talk about schools. A big issue in | :51:33. | :51:39. | |
West Sussex. Peter has been involved in some of the campaign. What would | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
you like to ask these candidates? How they address the crisis in | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
education funding and the crisis in terms of teacher recruitment and | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
retention which is a national issue. I think that, in west Sussex, not | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
absolutely 100% certain of the statistics but it reads very poorly. | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
In terms of funding for schools in particular. We have one of their | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
lowest levels of funding in the country. | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
Certainly more anger in West Sussex. So there was a campaign which the | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
Chichester Labour Party supported throughout the whole of last June | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
with some success because the formula has been changed. However, I | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
think it is a structural problem. Resources going into the education | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
system, including in higher education, as a per capita spend | :52:34. | :52:40. | |
now, is lower or is the lowest it has been since the 1970s. | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
I'm just hearing, spend more money. And you are saying, yes. Is that | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
what we would all like to see? More money. More taxes paid. | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
It is not sustainable at the moment. The percentage of GDP that we spend | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
on our education has dropped drastically in seven years. At 22% | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
drop. My school has lost 1.2 million over the last seven years so why we | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
can make our budgets balance, the second thing is schools in West | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
Sussex are now advertising for posts and people are not applying. We do | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
not training of teachers to teach our own children. That is | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
fundamentally wrong and the Government is not doing enough to | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
attract people and keep teachers. The Lib Dems would invest a lot more | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
in education. It is about investing into our future. We have a problem | :53:32. | :53:36. | |
with productivity in the UK. If we invest in our children, we educate | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
well, that will help in the productivity will get the money back | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
longer term. School meals as well. The need to | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
pay teachers better and we promise to lift the cap for a lot of public | :53:49. | :53:57. | |
sector workers. It is very expensive to live in the south-east. I've been | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
a governor to different primary schools. We did not attract a | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
headteacher. We advertise over and over again by people couldn't afford | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
to move to the south-east. So much of their salary would be taken up | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
with the high housing costs so we have got to pay people better. If | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
you want them to look after our budgets. | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
I agree with that last point. I think it is because of that | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
pressure, jointly with schools and governors and teachers of the MPs | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
and local councillors that the Government announced an additional | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
?4 billion and need more detail how that will trickle down but we have a | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
double whammy in West Sussex. We are the worst funded shire county in the | :54:41. | :54:47. | |
whole country. If you were a child in an equivalent school isn't in | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
parts of London it is more. There are reasons why it is more in those | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
places but that gap is far too big and all we're asking for is | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
narrowing of it too many years, with that now outdated formula that came | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
into place over ten years ago, has meant that west Sussex schools are | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
now running on empty. There are no reserves there. So we're being | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
doubly hit. We need a fair share of the cake and we need to make sure | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
that the funding of schools and sustainable going forward. And we | :55:17. | :55:23. | |
need to take account of the back-up -- the cost of living is highest. | :55:24. | :55:30. | |
This is the second area for USA the Government is not doing well enough | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
for us. And yet you are saying, vote for to reason a. | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
Skills funding is probably the hottest issue locally at the moment. | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
We're not getting a fair share of the cake. | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
All she is talking about is grammar schools and free schools. | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
One thing we have been talking about is the fact that 1.8 million more | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
children now are in schools rated good or outstanding than were seven | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
years ago. So our kids are getting a better education. Teachers around a | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
lot of pressure and they're doing a contested job to provide that the | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
need to make sure those kids are studying subjects that are | :56:10. | :56:11. | |
employable for the jobs of the future that was not happening ten | :56:12. | :56:14. | |
years ago. They are getting a better education? | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
My entrance agency is wet weather. It moved from being the fifth worst | :56:20. | :56:25. | |
funded to the fourth worst funded. We've been given a cake on the cake | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
can be sliced rather much you like, but it is not big enough. | :56:30. | :56:38. | |
Duo shortages of other workers? I represent the West Sussex growers | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
Association remembers employee of a 7000 people within West Sussex. We | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
had the second largest employer. Our big concern going forward is a lot | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
of the sector is migrant workers. Robbie 60 or 70%. Busy, there is | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
lots of good wood-mac uncertainty and concern. That is already hitting | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
us. People we see saying, we're not certain we will be here next year. | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
That is a situation where there may be reading too much into it but | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
going forward, those individuals from European countries have moved | :57:12. | :57:22. | |
through our businesses and have actually been permanent positions, | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
how will be secure about? Guaranteed right free youth | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
nationals who are now. Do it unilaterally. Don't wait for the EU. | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
It would take out the uncertainty of it. | :57:38. | :57:43. | |
Why has it not happened? To reason they made that offer before we | :57:44. | :57:50. | |
triggered Article 50 and was told we had to wait until the negotiations. | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
You could do it now. We can't. We wanted to be number one item on the | :57:56. | :57:56. | |
agenda. agenda. | :57:57. | :57:59. | |
You are keeping its back as a bargaining item, our rent you? | :58:00. | :58:08. | |
We don't want to use people as bargaining chips and Europe has more | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
to lose from this. We want a mutual rights of voters in C and employment | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
for all those people going forward and it will give certainty for all | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
those industries that rely on migrant labour from Europe. | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
Where do we stand with Jeremy Corbyn? | :58:29. | :58:33. | |
It is clear in the manifesto, the Labour Party will make guarantees | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
for all those migrant workers currently citizens and will then | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
subsequently have the rights of permanent stay. But I think the live | :58:42. | :58:48. | |
to wood-mac Liberal Democrats point is very important. I really do | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
believe that Michael Heseltine, he said he does not think that the two | :58:54. | :58:57. | |
will ever leave the European Union in the way that it is described. It | :58:58. | :59:01. | |
is true we will not be a member but I cannot imagine how we could run | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
the growers Association, the National Health Service in other | :59:07. | :59:08. | |
parts of the economy without migrant labour. | :59:09. | :59:13. | |
That is where we have to leave it. Thank you very much all three of | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
you. Except maybe the most important issue that we come to decide. IQ. | :59:18. | :59:19. | |
cancelled. And rent to own is still our policy. Thank you very much, Tom | :59:20. | :59:21. | |
Brake. Andrew, back to you. So, two and half weeks | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
to go till polling day, let's take stock of the campaign | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
so far and look ahead Sam, Isabel and Steve | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
are with me again. Sam, Mrs May had made a great thing | :59:33. | :59:46. | |
about the just about managing. Not the poorest of the poor, but not | :59:47. | :59:51. | |
really affluent people, who are maybe OK but it's a bit of a | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
struggle. What is in the manifesto for them? There is something about | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
the high profile items in the manifesto. She said she wants to | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
help those just above the poorest level. But if you look at things | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
like the winter fuel allowance, which is going to be given only to | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
the poorest. If you look at free school meals for infants, those for | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
the poorest are going to be kept, but the rest will go. The social | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
care plan, those who are renting or in properties worth up to ?90,000, | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
they are going to be treated, but those in properties worth above | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
that, 250,000, for example, will have to pay. Which leads to the | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
question - what is being done for the just about managings? There is | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
something, the personal allowance that David Cameron promised in 2015, | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
that they are not making a big deal of that, because they cannot say by | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
how much. So you are looking in tax rises on the just about managings. | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
Where will the tax rises come from. We do not know, that there is the 40 | :01:07. | :01:15. | |
million pounds gap for the Tories to reach what they are pledging in | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
their manifesto. We do not know how that is going to be made up, more | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
tax, or more borrowing? So that is why the questions of the | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
implications of removing the tax lock are so potentially difficult | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
for Tory MPs. The Labour manifesto gives figures for the cost of | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
certain policies and where the revenue will come from. You can | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
argue about the figures, but at least we have the figures. The Tory | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
manifesto is opaque on these matters. That applies to both the | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
manifestos. Looking at the Labour manifesto on the way here this | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
morning, when you look at the section on care for the elderly, | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
they simply say, there are various ways in which the money for this can | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
be raised. They are specific on other things. They are, and we heard | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
John McDonnell this morning being very on that, and saying there is | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
not a single ? in Tory manifesto. I have only got to page 66. It is | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
quite broad brush and they are very open to challenge. For example, on | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
the detail of a number of their flagship things. There is no detail | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
on their immigration policy. They reiterate the ambition, but not how | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
they are going to do that, without a massive increase in resource for | :02:39. | :02:45. | |
Borders officials. We are at a time where average wages are lagging | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
behind prices. And in work benefits remain frozen. I would have thought | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
that the just-about-managings are people who are in work but they need | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
some in work benefits to make life tolerable and be able to pay bills. | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
Doesn't she has to do more for them? Maybe, but this whole manifesto was | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
her inner circle saying, right, this is our chance to express our... It | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
partly reads like a sort of philosophical essay at times. About | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
the challenges, individualism against collectivism. Some of it | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
reads quite well and is quite interesting, but in terms of its | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
detail, Labour would never get away with it. They wouldn't be allowed to | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
be so vague about where taxes are going to rise. We know there are | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
going to be tax rises after the election, but we don't know where | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
they will be. 100%, there will be tax rises. We know that they wanted | :03:50. | :03:57. | |
a tax rise in the last budget, but they couldn't get it through because | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
of the 2015 manifesto. Labour do offer a lot more detail. People | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
could disagree with it, but there is a lot more detail. More to get your | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
teeth into. About capital gains tax and the rises for better owners and | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
so on. The SNP manifesto comes out this week, and the Greens and Sinn | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
Fein. We think Ukip as well. There are more manifestos to come. The Lib | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
Dems have already brought theirs out. Isn't the Liberal Democrat | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
campaign in trouble? It doesn't seem to be doing particular the well in | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
the polls, or at the local elections a few weeks ago. The Liberal | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
Democrats are trying to fish in quite a small pool for votes. They | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
are looking to get votes from those remainers who want to reverse the | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
result, in effect. Tim Farron is promising a second referendum on the | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
deal at the end of the negotiation process. And that is a hard sell. So | :05:01. | :05:08. | |
those voting for remain on June 23 are not low hanging fruit by any | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
means? Polls suggesting that half of those want to reverse the result, so | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
that is a feeling of about 20% on the Lib Dems, and they are getting | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
slightly less than half at the moment, but there are not a huge | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
amount of votes for them to get on that strategy. It doesn't feel like | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
Tim Farron and the Lib Dems have promised enough. They are making a | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
very serious case on cannabis use in a nightclub, but the optics of what | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
they are discussing doesn't make them look like an anchor in a future | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
coalition government that they would need to be. I wonder if we are | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
seeing the re-emergence of the 2-party system? And it is not the | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
same two parties. In Scotland, the dynamics of this election seemed to | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
be the Nationalists against the Conservatives. In England, if you | :06:03. | :06:04. | |
look at what has happened to be Ukip vote, and what Sam was saying about | :06:05. | :06:22. | |
the Lib Dems are struggling a bit to get some traction, it is | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
overwhelmingly Labour and the Conservatives. A different 2-party | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
system from Scotland, but a 2-party system. There are a number of | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
different election is going on in parallel. In Scotland it is about | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
whether you are unionist or not. Here, we have the collapse of the | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
Ukip vote, which looks as though it is being redistributed in the | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
Tories' favour. This is a unique election, and will not necessarily | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
set the trend for elections to come. In the Tory manifesto, I spotted the | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
fact that the fixed term Parliament act is going to be scrapped. That | :06:54. | :07:02. | |
got almost no coverage! It turned out to be academic anyway, that it | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
tells you something about how Theresa May is feeling, and she | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
wants the control to call an election whenever it suits her. | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
Re-emergence of the 2-party system, for this election or beyond? For | :07:15. | :07:23. | |
this election, yes, but it shows the sort of robust strength of parties | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
and their fragility. In other words, the Lib Dems haven't really | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
recovered from the losses in the last general election, and are | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
therefore not really seen as a robust vehicle to deliver Remain. If | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
they were, they might be doing better. The Labour Party hasn't | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
recovered in Scotland, and yet, if you look at the basic divide in | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
England and Scotland and you see two parties battling it out, it is very, | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
very hard for the smaller parties to break through and last. Many appear | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
briefly on the political stage and then disappear again. The election | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
had the ostensible goal of Brexit, but we haven't heard much about it | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
in the campaign. Perhaps the Tories want to get back onto that. David | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
Davis sounding quite tough this morning, the Brexit minister, saying | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
there is no chance we will talk about 100 billion. And we have to | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
have power in the negotiations on the free trade deal or what ever it | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
is. I think they are keen to get the subject of the manifesto at this | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
point, because it has not started too well. There is an irony that | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
Theresa May ostensibly called the election because she needed a | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
stronger hand in the Brexit negotiations, and there was an | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
opportunity for the Lib Dems, with their unique offer of being the | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
party that is absolutely against the outcome of the referendum, and | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
offering another chance. There hasn't been much airtime on that | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
particular pledge, because instead, this election has segued into being | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
all about leadership. Theresa May's leadership, and looking again at the | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
Tory manifesto, I was struck that she was saying that this is my plan | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
for the future, not ABBA plan. Even when talking about social care, he | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
manages to work in a bit about Theresa May and Brexit. And Boris | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
Johnson this morning, an interview he gave on another political | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
programme this morning, it was extraordinarily sycophantic for him. | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
Isn't Theresa May wonderful. There is a man trying to secure his job in | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
the Foreign Office! Will he succeed? I think she will leave him. Better | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
in the tent than out. What did you make of David Davis' remarks? He was | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
basically saying, we will walk away from the negotiating table if the | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
Europeans slam a bill for 100 billion euros. The point is that the | :10:05. | :10:12. | |
Europeans will not slam a bill for 100 billion euros on the negotiating | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
table. That is the gross figure. There are all sorts of things that | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
need to be taken into account. I imagine they will ask for something | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
around the 50 or ?60 billion mark. It looks that they are trying to | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
make it look like a concession when they do make their demands in order | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
to soften the ground for what is going to happen just two weeks after | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
general election day. He makes a reasonable point about having | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
parallel talks. What they want to do straightaway is deal with the bill, | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
Northern Ireland and citizens rights. All of those things are very | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
complicated and interlinked issues, which cannot be dealt with in | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
isolation. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with parallel talks, | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
just to work out where we are going with Northern Ireland and the | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
border. Steve, you can't work out what the Northern Ireland border | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
will be, and EU citizens' writes here, until you work out what our | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
relationship with the EU in the future will be. Indeed. The British | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
government is under pressure to deal quickly with the border issue in | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
Ireland, but feel they can't do so because when you have a tariff free | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
arrangement outcome, or an arrangement that is much more | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
protectionist, and that will determine partly the nature of the | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
border. You cannot have a quick agreement on that front without | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
knowing the rest of the deal. I think the negotiation will be | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
complex. I am certain they want a deal rather than none, because this | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
is no deal thing is part of the negotiation at this early stage. | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
Sounding tough in the general election campaign also works | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
electorally. But after the election, it will be a tough negotiation, | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
beginning with this cost of Brexit. My understanding is that the | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
government feels it's got to make the Europeans think they will not do | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
a deal in order to get a deal. They don't want no deal. Absolutely not. | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
And I'm sure it plays into the election. I'm sure the rhetoric will | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
change when the election is over. That's all for today, | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
thank you to all my guests. The Daily Politics will be | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
back on BBC Two at 12.00 And tomorrow evening I will be | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
starting my series of interviews with the party leaders - | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
first up is the Prime Minister, Theresa May, | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
that's at 7pm on BBC One. And I'll be back here at the same | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
time on BBC One next Sunday. Remember - if it's Sunday, | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. We've made great strides | :12:48. | :13:36. | |
tackling HIV. Imagine if we could | :13:37. | :13:37. | |
create a movement | :13:38. | :13:40. |